Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Actor James Kahn is tougher than tough. It was Coppola
Speaker 1: who first saw a spark of danger in this Jewish
Speaker 1: kid from rough and Tumble Sunnyside, Queens. Cohn's characters, especially
Speaker 1: the early ones, are volatile, with liberal dashes of mischief
Speaker 1: and humor. In the Godfather, he was Sonny Corleone, a reckless,
Speaker 1: cold blooded killer. There are lots of killers and lots
Speaker 1: of great actors in The Godfather, only Cohn pulled it
Speaker 1: off with that grin and shoa a vive. The streets
Speaker 1: of Queens are still his spiritual home, but today can
Speaker 1: lives in Beverly Hills, where he invited me for this conversation.
Speaker 1: His assistant Mikey is never far away. Come sit with us.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Cleveland needs a pollock what. There's
Speaker 1: no denying that con plays a certain type. He was
Speaker 1: a hard bitten gambler in El Dorado, and another hard
Speaker 1: bitten gambler in The Gambler. He broke into safes in
Speaker 1: thief and into houses in flesh and bone. He loved
Speaker 1: his macho rolls, but they frustrated him too. I didn't
Speaker 1: get a fucking script that didn't have twelve people dead
Speaker 1: by bite twenty I mean for three years and then
Speaker 1: someone said, oh, wait a minute, you can sing, and Nancy, yeah,
Speaker 1: well did you know that? Nobody ever asked me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to do that. So my ambition is not
Speaker 1: to be a tough guy to you and me when
Speaker 1: we grew up. You see, you've got a bottle of water.
Speaker 1: The very top level of that bottle his angle. That's
Speaker 1: the first one we draw on where we come from. Right,
Speaker 1: does that make anything? Yes? And when I when when
Speaker 1: I did street Her on Broadway back in, people said
Speaker 1: to me, uh, they said to me, but that must
Speaker 1: be great to get all that anger out of your
Speaker 1: system every night. And I said, you know what, I
Speaker 1: realized about four or five weeks in, I'm not that angry.
Speaker 1: I said, I would go out on stage some night,
Speaker 1: said I want to go, Blanche, Why don't you? When
Speaker 1: I sit down and have a cup of coffee, we
Speaker 1: make nice with each other. And you've had a little
Speaker 1: different career than I have, though not too much. Let's
Speaker 1: just say that. But maybe the best way to do
Speaker 1: is to do this you're savvy. You cracked people up.
Speaker 1: You grow up in New York bub blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: How many brothers and sisters did you have one of each?
Speaker 1: None of them in the business. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know, my neighborhood was like, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't very conducive to the arts. What do they do?
Speaker 1: My brother still doesn't know. Right. And your sister she
Speaker 1: passed away. She's married and had kids, had a family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was the latest. She was like my best friend.
Speaker 1: I tell you that she's she's the only person in
Speaker 1: the world that was genuinely afraid of, really afraid of
Speaker 1: he s he was the best. What did your dad do?
Speaker 1: A butcher? He was a butcher. Yeah, most of my
Speaker 1: family were. I mean his side, we're um. He was
Speaker 1: from Germany and uh he came over. He was the
Speaker 1: middle son guy like your dad and had hands like
Speaker 1: shoe boxes. He came over and he brought the rest
Speaker 1: of the family. He had two brothers and a sister.
Speaker 1: He brought them over. But he was he became like
Speaker 1: a middleman, you know. He got down to the meat
Speaker 1: market where some of my relatives where my my my
Speaker 1: godfather was down and had one of them freezers, you know,
Speaker 1: down in fourteen Street, and and you go and he
Speaker 1: had like ten fifteen customers, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: restaurants you've eaten, and he's sold direct to them. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we drove around and m Yeah. I went to Michigan
Speaker 1: State when I was sixteen, not because I was smart.
Speaker 1: I don't even go there. They wanted me out of
Speaker 1: that school so bad. So I took one summer course
Speaker 1: and they got rid of me because I became president
Speaker 1: of the student But I was fourteen years old. But
Speaker 1: I was big already. I'm three inches shorter than I
Speaker 1: was then. So I went to Michigan State to play
Speaker 1: at me home. Yeah, my mother kept saying, why don't
Speaker 1: you swim? Can't you swim? I come home taped up
Speaker 1: to my butt, you know, It's just like and and
Speaker 1: then I got home sick because my girlfriend and everything
Speaker 1: was back home, you know. So I transferred the Hopstra
Speaker 1: and it was that I had that one year. Wait,
Speaker 1: you know, Howdy Myers was the coach there then, and
Speaker 1: know where'd she dared coach? I just I didn't know
Speaker 1: what I wanted. I changed my major every three minutes.
Speaker 1: And and then uh, it was an n OLDTC school hopster.
Speaker 1: So Tuesdays and Thursdays you had to get the uniform
Speaker 1: on and everything. You know. It was the biggest second lieutenant.
Speaker 1: And then I think two weeks from graduation, I was
Speaker 1: on my way to class in my uniform. Everything was spiffy,
Speaker 1: but I didn't have my name tag on. I had
Speaker 1: lost it. Whatever is it? So, yes, sir, what was
Speaker 1: your name to it? I said, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: be kidding me right now. One thing that now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fits with. The two of them were on the
Speaker 1: floor outside the commonans off, going well, it's going well,
Speaker 1: it's going really well. So that was the end of
Speaker 1: my RTC career right there. And then I started to
Speaker 1: go to work with my pop, you know, down the market.
Speaker 1: He got me a job with my godfather who had
Speaker 1: a big freezer. And these trailers used to come in
Speaker 1: from Texas and my job was lifting these hind quarters
Speaker 1: of beef awful hook that did not roll, and walking
Speaker 1: to the back of the sixteen wheeler, putting him on
Speaker 1: a hook that did roll, and rolling him into the freeze.
Speaker 1: It was nice getting into the freezer. I swear to
Speaker 1: God because it was the warmest place in the in
Speaker 1: the in the joint, you know, it was like right
Speaker 1: off the river down there, and it was colder than
Speaker 1: a well digger's ass. I mean it was. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: that started about four thirty five in the morning, and
Speaker 1: I kept thinking, I'm working out for something, but I
Speaker 1: had not gonna work out for actually anyway, I knew
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do that for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life. It just came over me like this is
Speaker 1: not it. So my dad was a tough German guy,
Speaker 1: and over something about him was very different, like I
Speaker 1: don't I can't explain it. He'd come up with things
Speaker 1: that were really shocked that a butcher is not supposed
Speaker 1: to come up with. You know. His best friend was
Speaker 1: named Johanna Sheeper was a big artist, and you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense when I started doing this for
Speaker 1: a living. My dad was very receptive because he didn't
Speaker 1: do what he wanted to do with his life. Like
Speaker 1: my dad went to law school for one year at
Speaker 1: Syracuse and then he dropped out because my mother's father
Speaker 1: was paying for it and he had too much pride.
Speaker 1: He didn't want the father in law to pay for
Speaker 1: him to go to finish school. The minute he could
Speaker 1: get a job teaching down on Long Island, he quit.
Speaker 1: He didn't go to law school, and he always regretted it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was when I asked, I went
Speaker 1: to the neighborhood playhouse, right. I didn't know what way
Speaker 1: to go. I didn't know what to do. So she
Speaker 1: this neighborhood playhouse. I always enjoyed making people laugh, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I said, how am I gonna tell
Speaker 1: my father? I'm going to the I want to go
Speaker 1: to the neighblood play Now I go to the neighborhood playhouse.
Speaker 1: It's ten days before school starts, to the neighborhood playhouse.
Speaker 1: So I go in and I go, uh, I want
Speaker 1: to go to school here, And they go for next year. No,
Speaker 1: for this year. I want to go. No. No, you
Speaker 1: have to have re interviews over the cour city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to have one in September, one of Reember,
Speaker 1: one of like a June. Because they don't took thirty
Speaker 1: guys and thirty girls. So I said, can I say
Speaker 1: to something? Mr Pressman's office there for do what you want?
Speaker 1: So I did, and I went and I said, sure enough,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. At twenty minutes, somebody was late with somebody
Speaker 1: would and I walked in and I talked to me much.
Speaker 1: I thought I was a complete wacko. And he took
Speaker 1: me right there and there. Now I had the problem
Speaker 1: of telling my pop. Of course the eight hundred bucks
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, a lot of money. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so now, well I go to work with him.
Speaker 1: I'm going to work with him, So I'm gonna truck.
Speaker 1: I acted all real tough for everything. Oh, he was brutal.
Speaker 1: And and we were coming up eight the avenue. I
Speaker 1: think we had stopped at Competios right that, the dance place,
Speaker 1: you know. So I said, hey, Pop, what do me
Speaker 1: if ivor pool over here? You're a ballet dancer. Now, yes,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I gotta get something for school. What
Speaker 1: do you what do you mean got go? Do you
Speaker 1: mean what I mean? It's English? I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be a way here with him and kill me.
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta go here, I gotta get something
Speaker 1: to school. We'll take a long No, no, I'll just
Speaker 1: go up and pick it up. I'll be right down.
Speaker 1: I go upstairs. Sure enough. I have no idea, Dad,
Speaker 1: spelled leot odds, you know, the whole of the leotards,
Speaker 1: the top saying the thing and the ballet slippers. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they handed to me in this plastic in this
Speaker 1: plastic bag with a button on it. You know, have
Speaker 1: a little button on a plastic bag. I said, excuse me,
Speaker 1: what you've got a brown bag? You got a brown
Speaker 1: paper bag. No, that's the way they come. I understand that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they looked all around it got be a
Speaker 1: brown paper bag and put it and I jumped in
Speaker 1: a truck. I said, okay, let's go pop. What's in
Speaker 1: a bag? Dad? It's something for school. I can just
Speaker 1: see if I'm going, Jimmy, if you're running numbers right now,
Speaker 1: you can be honest with me. That that a bag
Speaker 1: of money. Jimmy, what are you doing? It was worse.
Speaker 1: I'm again, No, what's the big? I showed him the big?
Speaker 1: He never said another word. Alec He sat there and
Speaker 1: whistled all the way home, just whistled. They just whistled.
Speaker 1: He went for you know, you were there for how long?
Speaker 1: Neighborhood playoffs? One year? And what happened? Because the speech
Speaker 1: teacher asked me to get a late slip once I go,
Speaker 1: excuse me, what a late slip? I'm paying eight? N't
Speaker 1: it all? Let's go to the school. And she didn't
Speaker 1: like my attitude and you left. Now they left, they
Speaker 1: claiming me I was the only guy that kind of
Speaker 1: kind of made that class. What was the first job
Speaker 1: he got? I got an off roadway show roned author
Speaker 1: Niecess Laurent, and I did it for about seven eight
Speaker 1: months a week thirty eight fifty take home, brother, Are
Speaker 1: you living at home? You got your know? I was
Speaker 1: living in the taj Ma Hall, of course. I mean
Speaker 1: I was eighteen and nineteen, and I worked two jobs.
Speaker 1: I worked at Continental Can Company, and then I worked
Speaker 1: at the Rockaway as a rife guard, you know. But
Speaker 1: then I met this beautiful girl named dj who was
Speaker 1: the lead dancer on the Mitch Miller show You're Even Too.
Speaker 1: She lived out in Jersey. So I used to wait
Speaker 1: get my dad's struck cleaning up the blood in the back.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a big station where and remembered
Speaker 1: them green dingle daggles you put all over the car,
Speaker 1: smelled good pine them all over the cart at a
Speaker 1: blanket at the back, and I'd go over there and
Speaker 1: one day, me and a couple of my my Italian brothers.
Speaker 1: They took me in the nineteen forty a week with
Speaker 1: running boards and everything to North Carolina with her and
Speaker 1: I borrowed ten dollars from my mother. They take me.
Speaker 1: We drive to North Carolina, Halifax, North Carolina, which is
Speaker 1: the closest place you go to without needing like a
Speaker 1: blood test. So I go to Halifax. It's six in
Speaker 1: the morning when we get there. We drove around looking
Speaker 1: for justice a piece. Okay, wait a minute, he put
Speaker 1: on his boat. What the into the living room, he says,
Speaker 1: So what kind of a what kind of a ceremony
Speaker 1: would you? Like? I said, fast, would be good. We
Speaker 1: got married, my bodies, We got a watermelon. Did you
Speaker 1: come from a generation that marrying a woman was always
Speaker 1: the right thing to do before you lived with her?
Speaker 1: It was it like a value, you know. I just
Speaker 1: didn't want to ready to have a Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't touch I mean fights like I mean, I was
Speaker 1: arranging fan back then. So you go there, and I
Speaker 1: mean I was totally belonged in a home because if
Speaker 1: I catch some guy who just the game's over there?
Speaker 1: What are you doing there? So what are you what
Speaker 1: are you doing? What do you? Oh? It was terrible.
Speaker 1: I was terrible, really, but it's my girl, you know.
Speaker 1: So when we got married, I took her home because
Speaker 1: nobody knew that was twenty one right. So my dad
Speaker 1: would lay on the couch like this would a would
Speaker 1: a wife, beer on, watching wrestling whatever. I come in
Speaker 1: and my father never looked up. Well you've been um.
Speaker 1: We went out where, you know, a few drinks. Would
Speaker 1: you get married? My right hand to guard with that
Speaker 1: I heed is laughter like you never heard in your life.
Speaker 1: For my mother inside cracking up a laughs as she heard, Yes,
Speaker 1: he parted the knowledge to get married. It's the funniest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard. How do you? How do you
Speaker 1: think you? Father? I don't know. The guy was weird.
Speaker 1: He told me the first thing he told me. I
Speaker 1: remember this poem he told me when I was twelve.
Speaker 1: A good friend is hard to find. You always get
Speaker 1: the other kind. But when you find one staunch and true,
Speaker 1: make sure you fucked him before he fucked you. That's
Speaker 1: the first ball. I What I want to say is
Speaker 1: when you when you did Land and you're doing the
Speaker 1: play for eight months in New York, did you like
Speaker 1: the theater. Did you like live theater? When do you
Speaker 1: see this? I want to get into TV in the movies.
Speaker 1: I want to get into that. When do you make
Speaker 1: the time? The only thing that was on television in
Speaker 1: New York was the Naked City had just opened, you
Speaker 1: know that started that was Naked City. Then then uh
Speaker 1: such kind had Playhouse Third Team, and I did that
Speaker 1: with Redfoot with obviously Ruby d and Dave was a
Speaker 1: live three cameras show devon Asian at the time. Yeah, Jones, Scott,
Speaker 1: that's how you got in the door yet an asient.
Speaker 1: Somebody repped you. Yeah, and then I got the Route
Speaker 1: sixty six came into Philadelphia. I got that. So but
Speaker 1: the point I think I'm making is that I waited
Speaker 1: for three or four years before I got our own audition.
Speaker 1: Now this maybe or maybe not, but it may not be.
Speaker 1: But I got the first four jobs auditioned for, and
Speaker 1: I think it's because I waited, you know, like you
Speaker 1: know acting that you know, or all actors should know,
Speaker 1: there's so much luck invout and you can't bullshit. You
Speaker 1: don't want to tell people the truth. Yeah, I see
Speaker 1: young people and I'm like, is that you're studying you're
Speaker 1: at a great program. That's great. But but I don't
Speaker 1: want to break their heart and say it is a
Speaker 1: lot of luck, a lot of luck. So I see
Speaker 1: some people, I mean today, like you know, I teach now.
Speaker 1: I'm teaching now, which is nice. I like to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: But you see talented people you can't. You know, You've
Speaker 1: got to be in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 1: What's the first movie you made? Parallan called me and
Speaker 1: I did a picture called Lady in a Cage, of course,
Speaker 1: and Olivia to Havelin, who was like a nun I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean she was a beautiful, gorgeous, non
Speaker 1: elegant woman, elegant, unbelievable for people who don't know. She's
Speaker 1: trapped in the elevator in her house. And you were
Speaker 1: the I'm playing, which I got nauseous when I showed
Speaker 1: a perform It was a nauseous Who directed it, Walter Grauman?
Speaker 1: But you nervous to be making your friend. I was nervous.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't. She got me nervous, not because
Speaker 1: she was a huge star, but she was such a
Speaker 1: lady and I had to go ya flack and dashing
Speaker 1: your f and net and you did that? How do
Speaker 1: you snuck in her face? That was like you talked
Speaker 1: about character work. I couldn't do it. You know. It
Speaker 1: was hard. It was really hard. Been there where I
Speaker 1: played somebody who's tough and who's that? Uh, that's my brother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I placed somebody in a movie. You know, years ago,
Speaker 1: I do a movie and if I had to be
Speaker 1: really mean or abusive to somebody that I admired, I
Speaker 1: do the movie Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, and I wrote Lemon,
Speaker 1: And I'm there with Jack Lemon, and I'm thinking, I
Speaker 1: love this guy and I have to I have to
Speaker 1: just completely wipe my shoes right on his face and
Speaker 1: being so mean to him. I hated that the guys
Speaker 1: were really but but but she was already like a thing,
Speaker 1: like I remember going to watching her in a movie,
Speaker 1: you know, like she was such a lady. Did you
Speaker 1: move out here then? No? What happened was I did
Speaker 1: everything that was to do in New York, So I did.
Speaker 1: It was called black was written by Reginald Rose. This
Speaker 1: playoffs thirteen or whatever they called it, uh and uh
Speaker 1: Lamont Johnson directed it. But every Stollards in it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean it was just cons of people in it,
Speaker 1: you know, Pat Engle and Dish and that Ruby, d
Speaker 1: Zzy Davis, Uh Redford and everybody. Yeah. So we did
Speaker 1: that live and then after that I started getting calls
Speaker 1: from out here studios. Yeah, I mean you have to
Speaker 1: come out to do Dr Kildare or whatever the hell
Speaker 1: it was. So, you know, I go out here and
Speaker 1: I there's a cow town. What are you driving a
Speaker 1: half hour for a paper? What are you sending me?
Speaker 1: I try to get the red eye home, you know,
Speaker 1: back into the subway, you know, just how to get
Speaker 1: back there. And I did that for a while and
Speaker 1: uh when we got oh, by the way and the
Speaker 1: end of the marriage story, this can go on? Can
Speaker 1: we do this for three hours? Maybe have to come
Speaker 1: back and do parts two? But well, much as we
Speaker 1: call it, I remember when you used to laugh ship,
Speaker 1: I'm producing a very serious interview program, very serious about
Speaker 1: your career, a more seriou smell your career than you are.
Speaker 1: But very quickly she didn't want to come out of here. No. No.
Speaker 1: What happened was, first of all, her parents that were
Speaker 1: religious Catholics, okay, and I wasn't religious anything. You know,
Speaker 1: my buddies were Catholic. I went to church, so you know.
Speaker 1: But they she went home and they wouldn't let me
Speaker 1: see her, right, they wouldn't let me see her. I
Speaker 1: was married to her. They should listen. We want you
Speaker 1: to get married in the church. I go, I can't
Speaker 1: do that, I said, because I know I have to
Speaker 1: sign a paper saying I raised my kids Catholic, and
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I mean, I don't care, but
Speaker 1: I had family that died and don some concentration camps
Speaker 1: just for being a jail so I just can't do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Catholic. Yeah, I'm not a Catholic. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind being a Catholic. It makes no difference to me,
Speaker 1: but it makes a difference to my family and everybody else.
Speaker 1: I guess, you know. So no, no, you won't have
Speaker 1: to because we know him. We'll meet you in directory
Speaker 1: and we'll talk and you won't have to sign. Of course,
Speaker 1: I said, okay, And of course everything I said was true.
Speaker 1: So I went home and they kept in. Finally, one
Speaker 1: night she was doing the Miss Miller's show and her
Speaker 1: girlfriend called, this is so romantic. I just go, do
Speaker 1: you want your wife? Twenty one years old you want
Speaker 1: your wife, she's up here in the bronx. She's at
Speaker 1: my house. So overtook the meat weg and the buddy wear,
Speaker 1: just like laughing the thing on, you know, the thing.
Speaker 1: And she was laying at his four post to bed
Speaker 1: and but I got man, did work become more important?
Speaker 1: I came out, you know, I came out. I said, honey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out, but you know I can't keep
Speaker 1: flying back, and I'll go out. And I literally got
Speaker 1: four jobs in five weeks out of here, you know,
Speaker 1: leads on like the graphic suspension. And then I called
Speaker 1: for and she came out, and then she did the
Speaker 1: Judy Colland show. She wonderful answer, and then and then, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just don't know. I was
Speaker 1: too young, but it was probably too young to be
Speaker 1: trying to make it happy. And the number really mixed
Speaker 1: that up. You know, I really never did. My life
Speaker 1: was my family that comes always. You didn't want the
Speaker 1: business to become the most important thing in your life
Speaker 1: because I've seen too much destruction already at a young age.
Speaker 1: When did work change? And the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: you're above the title and you're the star of the
Speaker 1: film that really happened quick, you know, Okay? My first
Speaker 1: one was that then I did right one was with
Speaker 1: John Wayne and Mitchell. Between those two waves, you know,
Speaker 1: in what movie Mitchell, who I loved you? You would
Speaker 1: have went? What was it like with Wayne? How did
Speaker 1: Wayne treat you? Is it kind to you? This is
Speaker 1: great Mitchell. He came back two three weeks later, sort
Speaker 1: of first week and a half. It's just me and Wayne.
Speaker 1: It's like what we meet and then we go on
Speaker 1: this ride and he buys me had stupid gardener? Where
Speaker 1: do you know there's had called me Mississippi? No mind
Speaker 1: you you know I have our endless hours talking with Strasburg.
Speaker 1: And John was a friend of mine, his son we
Speaker 1: played bold together in the park and this, and so
Speaker 1: I'm trying to draw in this and so whying to
Speaker 1: be professional, and and then I listened, Now, look a kid,
Speaker 1: why did you have to go and do that? This
Speaker 1: is the dialogue of the movie. Why did you go
Speaker 1: and do that? Luke wid you have to go and
Speaker 1: do that? What do these breaths come from? But I'm
Speaker 1: looking at him like, you know the reality of it,
Speaker 1: of whatever bullshit? I just smiled. I just kept smiling. There.
Speaker 1: You meet these people and you know that has this
Speaker 1: effect on you. As I left this series I did
Speaker 1: called Knots Landing that was a very popular show on TV.
Speaker 1: My character was killed off the show. They were on
Speaker 1: on Ava Gardner to play Bill Devane's mother, and I
Speaker 1: was leaving and I think I was done shooting, and
Speaker 1: they said, why don't you come back next week? Come
Speaker 1: on the lot, and you know you still have your
Speaker 1: pass and everything. Come and meet have a Gardener And
Speaker 1: she's sitting there in a director's chair smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 1: She looks like a million bucks. She's older, but she's
Speaker 1: like and she said, it's so nice to meet you, baby.
Speaker 1: She calls you a baby. That was so nice to
Speaker 1: meet you, baby. What a pleasure. But then when you're
Speaker 1: on a set and you're shooting and you're making a movie,
Speaker 1: like the first big movie I did was Hunt for
Speaker 1: Red October and Sean Connery comes walking on. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget they did his makeup tests and his camera tests
Speaker 1: and all the old school in the uniform and the hair,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna shoot the first day and he walks
Speaker 1: on and so help me got out with myself. I'm fucked.
Speaker 1: I said, no one's ever gonna see me in this movie.
Speaker 1: They're gonna cut me out of the movie. I said,
Speaker 1: look at the guy. He looks like ten million dollars
Speaker 1: stacked up, so he was so perfect looking. And they
Speaker 1: would say cut and he dabt un to me. I
Speaker 1: did say, are do you go into the Russia's boy
Speaker 1: during lunch and I'd say, said the Russia is the
Speaker 1: dailies of the of the footage And I said no,
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to go to the rushes and nobody
Speaker 1: invited me. He said, how do you ever expect to
Speaker 1: learn anything if you don't go to the rushes? And
Speaker 1: he was like, sham to me, and I'll go to
Speaker 1: the dailies. We watched the dailies and I'll never forget
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, this guy movie start him as something
Speaker 1: you can't put your finger on it. He'd sit there,
Speaker 1: he always knew where the camera was. He'd say the
Speaker 1: line and turn into the shot. And I remember men
Speaker 1: we sailed into history and he turned into the camera
Speaker 1: and he was remember thinking to myself, I wonder if
Speaker 1: I could ever learn all the things this guy knows
Speaker 1: about the camera and how to perform in front of
Speaker 1: the camera. It was beautiful. That's funny. You know. You
Speaker 1: bring that up because I remember very clearly when we
Speaker 1: did all little things together a couple of time, you
Speaker 1: didn't impress me like that. I mean, that's not impressive
Speaker 1: to me one way. I mean, that's me. But I
Speaker 1: just want to finish the point that there's not a
Speaker 1: stupid sy Uh watch the mic talking to the mic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now Mitchell comes like a couple of weeks later.
Speaker 1: I don't mean hybody went and sold the dailies and
Speaker 1: I had that stupid hat on in order that that
Speaker 1: and the first thing he said to me, Hey, Jimminy cricket,
Speaker 1: he called me Jimmy. He's the greatest. Hey, Jiminy what
Speaker 1: he says? You're doing a lot of smiling and Jimminy
Speaker 1: cricket he said, I said, what do you want me
Speaker 1: to do? You ever hear this guy talked? You know,
Speaker 1: and Wayne, if you were affected by him, he would
Speaker 1: never get off, would never get off. You know. He
Speaker 1: was like a kid man. He just enjoyed it. We
Speaker 1: come around this corner, the bad guys all the way
Speaker 1: down the end of his Western street, ding the bar
Speaker 1: a bad guys. Okay, hawks got the whole street set up,
Speaker 1: stagecoach and people are walking up and down at night,
Speaker 1: big set up. Wayne turns to me, says, nah, look
Speaker 1: at kids when you say that their line. I want
Speaker 1: you to turn around and give me that look you
Speaker 1: give me. Smiling, he says, you know that looked at
Speaker 1: you give me. He guess he caught me smile a little.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was, Just turn around and give me that
Speaker 1: look you give me. We come running around the corner,
Speaker 1: he says, his eyes. I say my line. God, they
Speaker 1: gotta wipe the horses down and everything, you know, to sweat.
Speaker 1: Every takes another if I was set up here, we
Speaker 1: get ready. Wayne turns to me. He says, nah, look
Speaker 1: at it when you say that, Caroline, give me that
Speaker 1: luck you give me. Okay, duck actual street stow spooming.
Speaker 1: We come running around the corner, he says, his eyes.
Speaker 1: I say my line. God, he let me out of
Speaker 1: it anyway the third time now and I'm steaming. Sonny
Speaker 1: side is coming out and me so he had the
Speaker 1: balls to go. Now look at kid again, and I
Speaker 1: turned around her and I read up and missed him.
Speaker 1: Crabbed me from behind and went oh, we usually no,
Speaker 1: And from that moment on we became the best friend,
Speaker 1: miss him. I mean, Wayne, Wayne, you stood up for yourself.
Speaker 1: He groved that. And then they invited me to drink
Speaker 1: with them. I'm like twenty three, and there went a
Speaker 1: bottle of scarship for him. And then he would fill
Speaker 1: my uh dressing rooms with garbage when I wasn't there
Speaker 1: and he had the guy locked it up, but I'd
Speaker 1: come and opened my dressing Why is it locks would
Speaker 1: come about? You know, you were twelve year old kid.
Speaker 1: Your hawks direct him or nobody directed him? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean did he stand up to him and tell him
Speaker 1: what he wanted? He's never got to that. It was
Speaker 1: never like it was never that. You know, they know
Speaker 1: Wayne was Wayne. He did what he wanted to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she miss him was the opposite. I met him. Didn't
Speaker 1: never wanted you to see him working. He was like embarrassed,
Speaker 1: but he was so good, so good. I guess the
Speaker 1: next obvious question, when does Francis call you? How does
Speaker 1: that called me? Now I knew Francis. He's like a
Speaker 1: year older than me. Okay, so when he was twenty three,
Speaker 1: he had written Patton already and he stayed with me.
Speaker 1: His grandmother lived around the corner from where I lived.
Speaker 1: You know, Sony said, you know on on Skillman Avenue.
Speaker 1: I didn't know him and I didn't know her. He
Speaker 1: also went to Hopster where I I didn't know him
Speaker 1: me to. I remember him calling me to through the
Speaker 1: rain people, which is really kind of interesting. Was the
Speaker 1: first time any picture, you know, it was done like
Speaker 1: that with a crew of eighteen. We traveled all across
Speaker 1: the country. But I think it was like a second
Speaker 1: picture thing. You know. He wanted me to do Apocalypse.
Speaker 1: I didn't do it because here the Philippines for eighteen months.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said. But it was match sixteen weeks.
Speaker 1: Please stop, candimon ship play any part you want, any
Speaker 1: American part you want. So I go up to sod
Speaker 1: Trope and I said, I want to play Colonel Cornerge.
Speaker 1: He just mowed the beach. It was a great role.
Speaker 1: He said, Oh, I gave that to Gene Hackman. What
Speaker 1: what did you ask me to pick any part for?
Speaker 1: You know, why don't you tell me what part you
Speaker 1: want me to play? Yeah, I I didn't do it
Speaker 1: because Sheila Scott's mom was pregnant and I wasn't going
Speaker 1: down to the Philippines. You know, No, No, you don't understand.
Speaker 1: You will live in Manila and you've got like eight
Speaker 1: servants and every morning will fly to the location. We'll
Speaker 1: helicopter to the location. I go. Friends, that's like two
Speaker 1: things I don't like. It was like height and set flies.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Okay, yeah, so I I didn't
Speaker 1: do that with him, but the rain people I did,
Speaker 1: and I did you know a few of them? And
Speaker 1: Bobby and who asked you to do the Godfather? Him
Speaker 1: or someone else calls you. I said, he wanted you
Speaker 1: to play this part in this movie because there were stories.
Speaker 1: I always here were you and Marlin and Duval and
Speaker 1: al anybody? You had a lot of laughs on this side.
Speaker 1: You weren't sitting there taking this like there was. There
Speaker 1: was some super serious at that plays the big bard
Speaker 1: in a successful movie, in any movie. I believe that
Speaker 1: is what you can tell when people like one another.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the genre is, I don't care
Speaker 1: what the theme is. You can tell when people are
Speaker 1: enjoying working with each other. And we all did, and
Speaker 1: I think it eminates immediately off the screen. Now when
Speaker 1: he and this is so you don't have to share this.
Speaker 1: You have to say this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like I mean, I mean, I don't like to
Speaker 1: talk about acting that much of myself, but like with you,
Speaker 1: everybody is very Duval is very quiet, and Al is quiet,
Speaker 1: and Marlin is quiet, and Gazelle is quiet, and your
Speaker 1: character in terms of the symphonics of it, in terms
Speaker 1: of the music, you're the real volatile one. You're the
Speaker 1: more operatic one. You're the more intemper You're you're the
Speaker 1: most You're you're the most tough. You're the most physically
Speaker 1: tough brandons an old man in the film. But the
Speaker 1: character is and you know, you put you put the
Speaker 1: lead in the in the in the chamber. Were the
Speaker 1: first scene we shot was in the Jento Olive Oil Company. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you'll have to excuse my son. Yeah, no, two
Speaker 1: great things happened. I didn't know who I was. That
Speaker 1: was the first day. I'm trying to still figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I don't go to all that bullshit every day.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta push a button and then the
Speaker 1: button works. You gotta find a button. That's the hard thing.
Speaker 1: I just really awkward that I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: And one interesting thing, this is an a side. I've
Speaker 1: watched Brando's He's great and and everybody tried to conquer Brando.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to be talked to. That was the
Speaker 1: simplest thing. Go ball, you just looked at me. He's
Speaker 1: never a problem, never had a problem with Manson. And
Speaker 1: this came up in that scene where he says, Salons,
Speaker 1: they've told me you were romantic. Respect. I think as
Speaker 1: far as I can't say that, you know, he's a
Speaker 1: dope deal with you know, whatever his reasons, it's not right.
Speaker 1: I've agreed to meet with you because they told me
Speaker 1: your alemana will respect you know. So for instance, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see what you mean, he says. But the problem
Speaker 1: more and is I got I use it in another
Speaker 1: scene that very line in the back of the car
Speaker 1: with Bobby's in the car with somebody who uses that line,
Speaker 1: So you gotta say it. So I'm sitting there like
Speaker 1: a young student to watch you and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: now most guys will find a place to bury it
Speaker 1: in the propers Brando goes so great. I said that
Speaker 1: I must see because to do a serious man respect
Speaker 1: that one minute he made it so real for himself.
Speaker 1: Like he said it, he didn't bury it. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. The guy was great, But how deep
Speaker 1: into the shooting because the sunny character, it's it's on
Speaker 1: the page because you're banging the woman against the wall
Speaker 1: at the wedding. No look, but as everything is behavior.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to any writer ever you say their words,
Speaker 1: but it's all about behavior. Actor movie star James Kahn.
Speaker 1: Another brilliant performer associated with the type, albeit a different one,
Speaker 1: is Carol Burnett. Through talent and force of will, she
Speaker 1: overcame everything you'd expect from nineteen sixties TV XCS. And
Speaker 1: he called me back the next day. He said, Carol,
Speaker 1: you know it's not for gals. Comedy variety is a
Speaker 1: man's in. They wanted me to do a sitcom and
Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to be the same person
Speaker 1: week after week. I wanted I want to do this.
Speaker 1: My full interview with Carol Burnett is in our archive
Speaker 1: at Here's the Thing dot org. This is Alec Baldwin
Speaker 1: and you were listening to Here's the Thing when we left.
Speaker 1: James Cohn. Coppola had given him the role of a
Speaker 1: lifetime in the Godfather, Sonny Corleone, Brando's murderous oldest son.
Speaker 1: Con struggled to land the character, but found that after
Speaker 1: the first day on set, Vicious Sonny would be based
Speaker 1: on screwball insult comic Don Rickles. I swear to guard out.
Speaker 1: I was shaving and I was looking at and I
Speaker 1: don't know why I thought of Rickles. I just thought
Speaker 1: of you used to let me laugh. You know. I
Speaker 1: know Riccles because when I was a young guy, I
Speaker 1: hung around with all those old comedians. Riccles stuff was
Speaker 1: like his proudest moment ever because I told him I
Speaker 1: came in the next day. I could have done Hamlet,
Speaker 1: I could have done anything as sunny, no matter what,
Speaker 1: because I had that behavior. What are you gonna do
Speaker 1: to me? What are you gonna do to me? Make blepa?
Speaker 1: And I busted everybody's balls from morning till night, and
Speaker 1: everybody laughing. Brando couldn't say hello to me without laughing.
Speaker 1: Francis is gonna win the same fucking suit like for
Speaker 1: nine months. You're sucking animal, do you hear? You will
Speaker 1: need a few hours, you know. But the point is
Speaker 1: they couldn't take it from me. But what I got
Speaker 1: from what you did is this idea of to me,
Speaker 1: the sunny character is like, we kill people for a living,
Speaker 1: We do a lot of add things for a living.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of blood on our hands. We
Speaker 1: do bad things to some people to get money. And
Speaker 1: what I would get from the Sunny of the movie
Speaker 1: was I'm gonna have a good time. Yeah, we're going
Speaker 1: to all these lengths to get this money. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm I don't know about the rest of you,
Speaker 1: is I'm I'm a fucking good time. But the drink
Speaker 1: of a dinner, I'm gonna go bang. This brought out here.
Speaker 1: I got my safe and and and and that was it,
Speaker 1: and I and Francis let me go. I mean all
Speaker 1: that stup being in a better that never was there.
Speaker 1: It was all it all came out of. And then
Speaker 1: weird stuff happened. I remember why I grew up like
Speaker 1: all my best friend's Italian. So they maybe had two suits,
Speaker 1: but they had twelve pair of shoes. So I said, hey,
Speaker 1: to the water, can I have you gave me a
Speaker 1: parent of kick? Because you know the black and white,
Speaker 1: it's not in the script, so what No, we don't
Speaker 1: have the budget. The budget. It was like nothing. One
Speaker 1: of the Bronx for ten dollars about the black and
Speaker 1: white shoes. You remember the black and white shoes, because
Speaker 1: that was tell me. Then I took a broom handle off,
Speaker 1: you know the industrial brooms, you remember the big industrial brooms.
Speaker 1: I showed them back it out of it and put
Speaker 1: it in my car. What are you putting in your
Speaker 1: call for? I don't know. It's an attitude of just that.
Speaker 1: That's what did you guys carry around on the car?
Speaker 1: How do you know? I know? So so all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. And then when I broke the guy's camera,
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm when I'm coming, when I'm coming,
Speaker 1: and take I'm taking the license plate out before do
Speaker 1: not Richard CONTI but but but Clemenza, no, you broke
Speaker 1: the camera in the in the in the park, I'm
Speaker 1: going on taking a spin on the guy's thaying. And
Speaker 1: I walked back not not to be filmed. I mean,
Speaker 1: so we're supposed to walk in and there's guy took
Speaker 1: a picture of me, right. I took this, but it
Speaker 1: was expressed it wasn't whatever relics a real one, and
Speaker 1: I smashed it, but I improvised. And then Clement. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean always just let me go. You never stop.
Speaker 1: And Clementzer grabbed me and grabbed me. You know it
Speaker 1: just come on sunny and I remember my neighborhood. It
Speaker 1: was okay, like I broke it. But if anybody did
Speaker 1: something like that, they're reaching it pop and I put
Speaker 1: twenty on the floor. But think we think about it again.
Speaker 1: There there has to be he and this doesn't really
Speaker 1: amount to it. But but I was saying what I
Speaker 1: worship about you in films, what I loved about you
Speaker 1: in films, was there had to be a guy that
Speaker 1: that did those things, because Al doesn't do that. Al
Speaker 1: shoots the guy very reluctantly, and then he should sterling
Speaker 1: take from all lives, don't we. I mean, you've got
Speaker 1: to take from your life. I mean, you can't make
Speaker 1: that up. But you watch that movie I've seen. But
Speaker 1: when you watch that movie, the audience, even though violence
Speaker 1: is out of favor, even though people doing those things
Speaker 1: is out of favor, you watch that movie realize you've
Speaker 1: got to have that moment where the guy goes, you
Speaker 1: touched my sister again? No, this, what was this? I
Speaker 1: kill you? I remembered it. I didn't think of it.
Speaker 1: You remember when you were a kid, My dad did that.
Speaker 1: My dad. It wasn't ever thought about anything the night before,
Speaker 1: I just went in, bum, push the button, let's play
Speaker 1: around and and and you know it was God bless Francis.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I mean it was. It was really
Speaker 1: you know, Francis never sort of fight either until we
Speaker 1: shot it. Me and and the stunt man did it.
Speaker 1: Carlo's double, you know, not him. Okay, be nice, I
Speaker 1: am nice. You're a good kid. Okay. A brief explanation
Speaker 1: is called for. Here. Kahn has a famous fight with
Speaker 1: Giohnny Russo, the actor who played his brother in law Carlo.
Speaker 1: In a minute, you'll hear more about their on screen violence.
Speaker 1: To con it was just embodying his character fully. Russo,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, even two years ago, was calling
Speaker 1: Cohn nuts. He says. The on screen fights left him
Speaker 1: with a chipped elbow and two broken ribs. Now back
Speaker 1: to the show, So anyway, yeah, France has never saw
Speaker 1: anybody fight before. He didn't know how to stage that, right, right.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing was I come out of
Speaker 1: a car and Collos loots want and you know, up
Speaker 1: the street, come in, come, come, come, here or whatever.
Speaker 1: I said, come in, coup and come out about ninety times.
Speaker 1: So I reached in and I took out my attitude
Speaker 1: and Judge didn't plan it, Alec, I swear my mother didn't. Planet.
Speaker 1: I took out this and was running and I fired
Speaker 1: it at him. Francances it's great, great, But Jimmy, you
Speaker 1: look like you want to You missed him by a mile,
Speaker 1: showed at him. I hit him, but go ahead. But
Speaker 1: I hit him in the coconut on the way up
Speaker 1: the sun double not okay, I would have missed it
Speaker 1: was stuck the kidding. But but but people want to know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you are one of the stars of one
Speaker 1: of the greatest films ever made in history. And when
Speaker 1: and when you first saw the movie, when you first
Speaker 1: saw you sit there and go, how this is a
Speaker 1: pretty good movie. No, I was mad. I wouldn't go
Speaker 1: to the show. Why you see, Bobby went nuts Evans.
Speaker 1: I was staying in my room. I was so piste
Speaker 1: off because I had an eight page sheet with Bobby
Speaker 1: and they cut it out. You know what's selfish? I said,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? You know? They had to come down
Speaker 1: begged me to come upstairs to the party. But the
Speaker 1: first time you saw the movie. Whenever, the first time
Speaker 1: when you saw the movie, what did you think they
Speaker 1: shouldn't have cut out that you miserable? Crick? No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you know you know, I'm gonna tell you something. Francis.
Speaker 1: It ruined his career because he wanted he wanted what
Speaker 1: the Allen career. That was his whole thing. He wanted
Speaker 1: to write and do his own thing. But this monster
Speaker 1: killed his career. You know, we started doing stuff he
Speaker 1: didn't want to do. But it's no accident that every
Speaker 1: department head that he chose became the biggest in their field.
Speaker 1: Walter Merch, I mean, Dean, probably, Gordy will it, you
Speaker 1: just name them, Jack Smith, gonna make up. He had
Speaker 1: ingenious stuff, like you put a bullet a pace, you
Speaker 1: can see a bullet go in your face, I mean everything,
Speaker 1: But it was all Francis. And the number one thing
Speaker 1: that made that picture successful was the fact that Francis
Speaker 1: was a Mediterranean Italian. He was not a Brooklyn Italian.
Speaker 1: Everything was okay for the sake of family. Everything. So
Speaker 1: when people would ask me, the biggest question asked was
Speaker 1: that a real horse's head. Wait a minute, any one.
Speaker 1: People got killed, but you don't kill about any Was
Speaker 1: that a real horses? Said? Oh yeah, sure that was
Speaker 1: a real horses said, I mean it was. Francis was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Francis was unbelievable. And he went to acting school. And
Speaker 1: now I've started realizing that, you know, I was out
Speaker 1: of north Ridge and looking at their curriculum and think
Speaker 1: the guys who were learning to be acted as as
Speaker 1: freshman directors as freshman, and then part of their things,
Speaker 1: they take two of their people who were also trying
Speaker 1: to be and they do scenes with them, and that's
Speaker 1: like a mid term or what the who? What's the
Speaker 1: sense they're not working with actors, so how do they know?
Speaker 1: So in my mind, it's a requirement if you were
Speaker 1: a writer, if you were a director or an actor,
Speaker 1: you must start with one year of acting trying to
Speaker 1: figure actors think you can direct, so you can direct
Speaker 1: pull out of them what you need to pull out
Speaker 1: of them, you know. And that's the big problem with
Speaker 1: like a lot of the movies today. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I I used to wake a pot a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys where I go to the you know, launch
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, as it a studio said, I
Speaker 1: got a great it's a little out of the box.
Speaker 1: But how about this we do pictures. They got a beginning,
Speaker 1: a middle, and an end. Is that cool? What am
Speaker 1: I out of a box? Or what? Now? You always?
Speaker 1: I mean, in the time we have left, I gotta
Speaker 1: go pick up my kids. In the time we have
Speaker 1: left in New York, take them to the park every day.
Speaker 1: My I swear to God, I pick them up at
Speaker 1: five o'clock. The uh. But for a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: you've been married a few times, you're you know, you
Speaker 1: like women. Did you ever? And you have to you
Speaker 1: don't have to answer this question. You have to have
Speaker 1: the details. But did you ever? Were you ever working
Speaker 1: with these leading ladies? If you're something like, excuse the
Speaker 1: ex never go to the bathroom right where you dyed,
Speaker 1: you where you're dying. Yes, and you wouldn't true, and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do that. Once, when I was very very young,
Speaker 1: you dated an actress. I didn't dat. I went to
Speaker 1: you got close with her. I said, would you mind?
Speaker 1: She said, certainly not. But you made it a habit
Speaker 1: not to do that. I don't think it became habit.
Speaker 1: It's just something that I respected. But it's just like
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm not fair to the direct I'm
Speaker 1: not fair to to write it. I'm not fair to anybody.
Speaker 1: If God forbid, which usually happens, you have a fight
Speaker 1: with your girlfriend and you gotta bring in a set
Speaker 1: and you've gotta make a love scene. Do a love scene. Um,
Speaker 1: your son? You just changed the subject on me. Yes,
Speaker 1: when when when Scott gave me a hint? Them? When stop?
Speaker 1: When Scott made it clear to you that he wanted
Speaker 1: to be an actor, were you encouraging of him? I'm
Speaker 1: assuming I never discouraged. You know, he's the best guy.
Speaker 1: You never wanted me. He's just a gentleman. He's great,
Speaker 1: and he never knew what I did until I was
Speaker 1: eight nine years old. I wouldn't, you know, until the
Speaker 1: kids on a bus one they said that's your dad,
Speaker 1: you know, like it was like that, Yeah, why you know,
Speaker 1: he thought I was a coach. He got it like
Speaker 1: when he was sixteen. They said they wanted to use
Speaker 1: him in some films, so I thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of like throw away, you know some and they should
Speaker 1: Jimmy what you do? Just want to seeing him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why not? You know, I never thought the picture would
Speaker 1: even escape. Then um, he went. I got him into
Speaker 1: Crossroads because they decided they try to make a normal
Speaker 1: school out of him, not like an English boys school,
Speaker 1: because he was like a C student. But he's a
Speaker 1: great athlete, great athlete. So uh he got in a
Speaker 1: fight which he into and then they threw him out,
Speaker 1: and then he went to Devily hiels. I said, you
Speaker 1: can only go to Beverly Hills Hide if you play
Speaker 1: baseball again. So he paid baseball. In the middle of
Speaker 1: the ear he said, I just signed a contract with
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy. What who's Tommy Boy? He went on the
Speaker 1: road with Cyprus Hill House of Pain and he had
Speaker 1: to little half choose. They called themselves the Lower Level.
Speaker 1: It was the greatest thing ever. And he went rapping
Speaker 1: all around the country, aid to the motherfucking ca homeboy,
Speaker 1: and your Mercedes, who are you kidding? What are you
Speaker 1: talking to? So? I mean it was great. So he
Speaker 1: just and he's unbelievably right. He he's had four plays
Speaker 1: published with the Alec published. But as far as acting,
Speaker 1: the material isn't as good my son yours. So if
Speaker 1: he becomes an actor, Scott, it's never gonna have the
Speaker 1: opportunity that you and I had worked with the best
Speaker 1: directors and work with the best screenwriters and the best
Speaker 1: this and the best at and you know they're not
Speaker 1: going to have that opportunity. We work with great people
Speaker 1: out It was as good as there ever was. James
Speaker 1: con one of the last of the great old school
Speaker 1: movie stars. This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to
Speaker 1: Here's the thing you have to understand. I do this
Speaker 1: show and I meet these people, I get choked up
Speaker 1: and I get choked them