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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Actor James Kahn is tougher than tough. It was Coppola

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Speaker 1: who first saw a spark of danger in this Jewish

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Speaker 1: kid from rough and Tumble Sunnyside, Queens. Cohn's characters, especially

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Speaker 1: the early ones, are volatile, with liberal dashes of mischief

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Speaker 1: and humor. In the Godfather, he was Sonny Corleone, a reckless,

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Speaker 1: cold blooded killer. There are lots of killers and lots

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Speaker 1: of great actors in The Godfather, only Cohn pulled it

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Speaker 1: off with that grin and shoa a vive. The streets

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Speaker 1: of Queens are still his spiritual home, but today can

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Speaker 1: lives in Beverly Hills, where he invited me for this conversation.

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Speaker 1: His assistant Mikey is never far away. Come sit with us.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Cleveland needs a pollock what. There's

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Speaker 1: no denying that con plays a certain type. He was

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Speaker 1: a hard bitten gambler in El Dorado, and another hard

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Speaker 1: bitten gambler in The Gambler. He broke into safes in

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Speaker 1: thief and into houses in flesh and bone. He loved

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Speaker 1: his macho rolls, but they frustrated him too. I didn't

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Speaker 1: get a fucking script that didn't have twelve people dead

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Speaker 1: by bite twenty I mean for three years and then

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Speaker 1: someone said, oh, wait a minute, you can sing, and Nancy, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well did you know that? Nobody ever asked me. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to do that. So my ambition is not

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Speaker 1: to be a tough guy to you and me when

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Speaker 1: we grew up. You see, you've got a bottle of water.

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Speaker 1: The very top level of that bottle his angle. That's

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Speaker 1: the first one we draw on where we come from. Right,

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Speaker 1: does that make anything? Yes? And when I when when

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Speaker 1: I did street Her on Broadway back in, people said

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Speaker 1: to me, uh, they said to me, but that must

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Speaker 1: be great to get all that anger out of your

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Speaker 1: system every night. And I said, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: realized about four or five weeks in, I'm not that angry.

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Speaker 1: I said, I would go out on stage some night,

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Speaker 1: said I want to go, Blanche, Why don't you? When

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Speaker 1: I sit down and have a cup of coffee, we

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Speaker 1: make nice with each other. And you've had a little

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Speaker 1: different career than I have, though not too much. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say that. But maybe the best way to do

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Speaker 1: is to do this you're savvy. You cracked people up.

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Speaker 1: You grow up in New York bub blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: How many brothers and sisters did you have one of each?

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Speaker 1: None of them in the business. Oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you know, my neighborhood was like, I don't know, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't very conducive to the arts. What do they do?

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Speaker 1: My brother still doesn't know. Right. And your sister she

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Speaker 1: passed away. She's married and had kids, had a family. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she was the latest. She was like my best friend.

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Speaker 1: I tell you that she's she's the only person in

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Speaker 1: the world that was genuinely afraid of, really afraid of

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Speaker 1: he s he was the best. What did your dad do?

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Speaker 1: A butcher? He was a butcher. Yeah, most of my

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Speaker 1: family were. I mean his side, we're um. He was

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Speaker 1: from Germany and uh he came over. He was the

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Speaker 1: shoe boxes. He came over and he brought the rest

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Speaker 1: of the family. He had two brothers and a sister.

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Speaker 1: He brought them over. But he was he became like

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Speaker 1: a middleman, you know. He got down to the meat

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Speaker 1: market where some of my relatives where my my my

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Speaker 1: godfather was down and had one of them freezers, you know,

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Speaker 1: down in fourteen Street, and and you go and he

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Speaker 1: had like ten fifteen customers, you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: restaurants you've eaten, and he's sold direct to them. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we drove around and m Yeah. I went to Michigan

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Speaker 1: State when I was sixteen, not because I was smart.

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Speaker 1: I don't even go there. They wanted me out of

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Speaker 1: that school so bad. So I took one summer course

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Speaker 1: of the student But I was fourteen years old. But

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Speaker 1: I was big already. I'm three inches shorter than I

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Speaker 1: was then. So I went to Michigan State to play

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Speaker 1: at me home. Yeah, my mother kept saying, why don't

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Speaker 1: you swim? Can't you swim? I come home taped up

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Speaker 1: then I got home sick because my girlfriend and everything

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Speaker 1: and it was that I had that one year. Wait,

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Speaker 1: you know, Howdy Myers was the coach there then, and

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Speaker 1: And and then uh, it was an n OLDTC school hopster.

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Speaker 1: So Tuesdays and Thursdays you had to get the uniform

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Speaker 1: And then I think two weeks from graduation, I was

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Speaker 1: lost it. Whatever is it? So, yes, sir, what was

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Speaker 1: your name to it? I said, you know, you gotta

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Speaker 1: floor outside the commonans off, going well, it's going well,

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Speaker 1: it's going really well. So that was the end of

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Speaker 1: my RTC career right there. And then I started to

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Speaker 1: go to work with my pop, you know, down the market.

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Speaker 1: He got me a job with my godfather who had

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Speaker 1: a big freezer. And these trailers used to come in

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Speaker 1: from Texas and my job was lifting these hind quarters

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Speaker 1: of beef awful hook that did not roll, and walking

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Speaker 1: a hook that did roll, and rolling him into the freeze.

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Speaker 1: It was nice getting into the freezer. I swear to

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Speaker 1: God because it was the warmest place in the in

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Speaker 1: the in the joint, you know, it was like right

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Speaker 1: a well digger's ass. I mean it was. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: that started about four thirty five in the morning, and

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Speaker 1: I kept thinking, I'm working out for something, but I

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to do that for the rest of

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Speaker 1: my life. It just came over me like this is

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Speaker 1: not it. So my dad was a tough German guy,

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Speaker 1: and over something about him was very different, like I

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Speaker 1: named Johanna Sheeper was a big artist, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense when I started doing this for

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Speaker 1: do what he wanted to do with his life. Like

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Speaker 1: my dad went to law school for one year at

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Speaker 1: Syracuse and then he dropped out because my mother's father

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Speaker 1: was paying for it and he had too much pride.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want the father in law to pay for

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Speaker 1: him to go to finish school. The minute he could

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Speaker 1: get a job teaching down on Long Island, he quit.

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Speaker 1: He didn't go to law school, and he always regretted it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know it was when I asked, I went

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Speaker 1: this neighborhood playhouse. I always enjoyed making people laugh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I said, how am I gonna tell

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Speaker 1: to the neighblood play Now I go to the neighborhood playhouse.

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Speaker 1: It's ten days before school starts, to the neighborhood playhouse.

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Speaker 1: So I go in and I go, uh, I want

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Speaker 1: to go to school here, And they go for next year. No,

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Speaker 1: for this year. I want to go. No. No, you

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Speaker 1: have to have re interviews over the cour city. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have to have one in September, one of Reember,

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Speaker 1: one of like a June. Because they don't took thirty

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Speaker 1: to something? Mr Pressman's office there for do what you want?

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Speaker 1: So I did, and I went and I said, sure enough,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't. At twenty minutes, somebody was late with somebody

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Speaker 1: would and I walked in and I talked to me much.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was a complete wacko. And he took

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Speaker 1: me right there and there. Now I had the problem

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Speaker 1: of telling my pop. Of course the eight hundred bucks

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Speaker 1: So so now, well I go to work with him.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to work with him, So I'm gonna truck.

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Speaker 1: I acted all real tough for everything. Oh, he was brutal.

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Speaker 1: And and we were coming up eight the avenue. I

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Speaker 1: think we had stopped at Competios right that, the dance place,

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Speaker 1: you know. So I said, hey, Pop, what do me

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Speaker 1: if ivor pool over here? You're a ballet dancer. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: do you what do you mean got go? Do you

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Speaker 1: mean what I mean? It's English? I'm you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to be a way here with him and kill me.

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Speaker 1: I said, I gotta go here, I gotta get something

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Speaker 1: to school. We'll take a long No, no, I'll just

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Speaker 1: I go upstairs. Sure enough. I have no idea, Dad,

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Speaker 1: spelled leot odds, you know, the whole of the leotards,

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Speaker 1: So they handed to me in this plastic in this

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Speaker 1: a little button on a plastic bag. I said, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: paper bag. No, that's the way they come. I understand that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they looked all around it got be a

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Speaker 1: a truck. I said, okay, let's go pop. What's in

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Speaker 1: a bag? Dad? It's something for school. I can just

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Speaker 1: see if I'm going, Jimmy, if you're running numbers right now,

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Speaker 1: you can be honest with me. That that a bag

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Speaker 1: of money. Jimmy, what are you doing? It was worse.

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Speaker 1: I'm again, No, what's the big? I showed him the big?

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Speaker 1: He never said another word. Alec He sat there and

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Speaker 1: whistled all the way home, just whistled. They just whistled.

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Speaker 1: He went for you know, you were there for how long?

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Speaker 1: Neighborhood playoffs? One year? And what happened? Because the speech

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Speaker 1: teacher asked me to get a late slip once I go,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, what a late slip? I'm paying eight? N't

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Speaker 1: it all? Let's go to the school. And she didn't

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Speaker 1: like my attitude and you left. Now they left, they

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Speaker 1: claiming me I was the only guy that kind of

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Speaker 1: kind of made that class. What was the first job

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Speaker 1: he got? I got an off roadway show roned author

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Speaker 1: Niecess Laurent, and I did it for about seven eight

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Speaker 1: months a week thirty eight fifty take home, brother, Are

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Speaker 1: you living at home? You got your know? I was

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Speaker 1: living in the taj Ma Hall, of course. I mean

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Speaker 1: I was eighteen and nineteen, and I worked two jobs.

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Speaker 1: I worked at Continental Can Company, and then I worked

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Speaker 1: the lead dancer on the Mitch Miller show You're Even Too.

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Speaker 1: She lived out in Jersey. So I used to wait

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Speaker 1: get my dad's struck cleaning up the blood in the back.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was a big station where and remembered

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Speaker 1: them green dingle daggles you put all over the car,

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Speaker 1: one day, me and a couple of my my Italian brothers.

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Speaker 1: They took me in the nineteen forty a week with

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Speaker 1: running boards and everything to North Carolina with her and

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Speaker 1: I borrowed ten dollars from my mother. They take me.

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Speaker 1: We drive to North Carolina, Halifax, North Carolina, which is

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Speaker 1: would say cut and he dabt un to me. I

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00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: did say, are do you go into the Russia's boy

425
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: during lunch and I'd say, said the Russia is the

426
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: dailies of the of the footage And I said no,

427
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to go to the rushes and nobody

428
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: invited me. He said, how do you ever expect to

429
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: learn anything if you don't go to the rushes? And

430
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: he was like, sham to me, and I'll go to

431
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: the dailies. We watched the dailies and I'll never forget

432
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, this guy movie start him as something

433
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: you can't put your finger on it. He'd sit there,

434
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: he always knew where the camera was. He'd say the

435
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: line and turn into the shot. And I remember men

436
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: we sailed into history and he turned into the camera

437
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: and he was remember thinking to myself, I wonder if

438
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: I could ever learn all the things this guy knows

439
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: about the camera and how to perform in front of

440
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: the camera. It was beautiful. That's funny. You know. You

441
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: bring that up because I remember very clearly when we

442
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: did all little things together a couple of time, you

443
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: didn't impress me like that. I mean, that's not impressive

444
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: to me one way. I mean, that's me. But I

445
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: just want to finish the point that there's not a

446
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: stupid sy Uh watch the mic talking to the mic. Yeah.

447
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: So now Mitchell comes like a couple of weeks later.

448
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't mean hybody went and sold the dailies and

449
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: I had that stupid hat on in order that that

450
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 1: and the first thing he said to me, Hey, Jimminy cricket,

451
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: he called me Jimmy. He's the greatest. Hey, Jiminy what

452
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 1: he says? You're doing a lot of smiling and Jimminy

453
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: cricket he said, I said, what do you want me

454
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: to do? You ever hear this guy talked? You know,

455
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: and Wayne, if you were affected by him, he would

456
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: never get off, would never get off. You know. He

457
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: was like a kid man. He just enjoyed it. We

458
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: come around this corner, the bad guys all the way

459
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: down the end of his Western street, ding the bar

460
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 1: a bad guys. Okay, hawks got the whole street set up,

461
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: stagecoach and people are walking up and down at night,

462
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: big set up. Wayne turns to me, says, nah, look

463
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: at kids when you say that their line. I want

464
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: you to turn around and give me that look you

465
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: give me. Smiling, he says, you know that looked at

466
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: you give me. He guess he caught me smile a little.

467
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: Whatever it was, Just turn around and give me that

468
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: look you give me. We come running around the corner,

469
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: he says, his eyes. I say my line. God, they

470
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: gotta wipe the horses down and everything, you know, to sweat.

471
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: Every takes another if I was set up here, we

472
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: get ready. Wayne turns to me. He says, nah, look

473
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: at it when you say that, Caroline, give me that

474
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: luck you give me. Okay, duck actual street stow spooming.

475
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: We come running around the corner, he says, his eyes.

476
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: I say my line. God, he let me out of

477
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: it anyway the third time now and I'm steaming. Sonny

478
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: side is coming out and me so he had the

479
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: balls to go. Now look at kid again, and I

480
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: turned around her and I read up and missed him.

481
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: Crabbed me from behind and went oh, we usually no,

482
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: And from that moment on we became the best friend,

483
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: miss him. I mean, Wayne, Wayne, you stood up for yourself.

484
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: He groved that. And then they invited me to drink

485
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: with them. I'm like twenty three, and there went a

486
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: bottle of scarship for him. And then he would fill

487
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: my uh dressing rooms with garbage when I wasn't there

488
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 1: and he had the guy locked it up, but I'd

489
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: come and opened my dressing Why is it locks would

490
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: come about? You know, you were twelve year old kid.

491
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: Your hawks direct him or nobody directed him? Yeah? I

492
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 1: mean did he stand up to him and tell him

493
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: what he wanted? He's never got to that. It was

494
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: never like it was never that. You know, they know

495
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: Wayne was Wayne. He did what he wanted to do. Yeah,

496
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: she miss him was the opposite. I met him. Didn't

497
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: never wanted you to see him working. He was like embarrassed,

498
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: but he was so good, so good. I guess the

499
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: next obvious question, when does Francis call you? How does

500
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: that called me? Now I knew Francis. He's like a

501
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: year older than me. Okay, so when he was twenty three,

502
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: he had written Patton already and he stayed with me.

503
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: His grandmother lived around the corner from where I lived.

504
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: You know, Sony said, you know on on Skillman Avenue.

505
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: I didn't know him and I didn't know her. He

506
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: also went to Hopster where I I didn't know him

507
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: me to. I remember him calling me to through the

508
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: rain people, which is really kind of interesting. Was the

509
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: first time any picture, you know, it was done like

510
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: that with a crew of eighteen. We traveled all across

511
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: the country. But I think it was like a second

512
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: picture thing. You know. He wanted me to do Apocalypse.

513
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: I didn't do it because here the Philippines for eighteen months.

514
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said. But it was match sixteen weeks.

515
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: Please stop, candimon ship play any part you want, any

516
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: American part you want. So I go up to sod

517
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Trope and I said, I want to play Colonel Cornerge.

518
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: He just mowed the beach. It was a great role.

519
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: He said, Oh, I gave that to Gene Hackman. What

520
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: what did you ask me to pick any part for?

521
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: You know, why don't you tell me what part you

522
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: want me to play? Yeah, I I didn't do it

523
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: because Sheila Scott's mom was pregnant and I wasn't going

524
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: down to the Philippines. You know, No, No, you don't understand.

525
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: You will live in Manila and you've got like eight

526
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: servants and every morning will fly to the location. We'll

527
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: helicopter to the location. I go. Friends, that's like two

528
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: things I don't like. It was like height and set flies.

529
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Okay, yeah, so I I didn't

530
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: do that with him, but the rain people I did,

531
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: and I did you know a few of them? And

532
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: Bobby and who asked you to do the Godfather? Him

533
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: or someone else calls you. I said, he wanted you

534
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: to play this part in this movie because there were stories.

535
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: I always here were you and Marlin and Duval and

536
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: al anybody? You had a lot of laughs on this side.

537
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: You weren't sitting there taking this like there was. There

538
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: was some super serious at that plays the big bard

539
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: in a successful movie, in any movie. I believe that

540
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: is what you can tell when people like one another.

541
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't care what the genre is, I don't care

542
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 1: what the theme is. You can tell when people are

543
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: enjoying working with each other. And we all did, and

544
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: I think it eminates immediately off the screen. Now when

545
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: he and this is so you don't have to share this.

546
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: You have to say this, you know what I mean.

547
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: It's like I mean, I mean, I don't like to

548
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: talk about acting that much of myself, but like with you,

549
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: everybody is very Duval is very quiet, and Al is quiet,

550
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: and Marlin is quiet, and Gazelle is quiet, and your

551
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: character in terms of the symphonics of it, in terms

552
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: of the music, you're the real volatile one. You're the

553
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: more operatic one. You're the more intemper You're you're the

554
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: most You're you're the most tough. You're the most physically

555
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: tough brandons an old man in the film. But the

556
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: character is and you know, you put you put the

557
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: lead in the in the in the chamber. Were the

558
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: first scene we shot was in the Jento Olive Oil Company. Okay,

559
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: and you'll have to excuse my son. Yeah, no, two

560
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: great things happened. I didn't know who I was. That

561
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: was the first day. I'm trying to still figure it out.

562
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: And I don't go to all that bullshit every day.

563
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta push a button and then the

564
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: button works. You gotta find a button. That's the hard thing.

565
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: I just really awkward that I just I don't know.

566
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: And one interesting thing, this is an a side. I've

567
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: watched Brando's He's great and and everybody tried to conquer Brando.

568
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: He just wanted to be talked to. That was the

569
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: simplest thing. Go ball, you just looked at me. He's

570
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: never a problem, never had a problem with Manson. And

571
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: this came up in that scene where he says, Salons,

572
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: they've told me you were romantic. Respect. I think as

573
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: far as I can't say that, you know, he's a

574
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: dope deal with you know, whatever his reasons, it's not right.

575
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: I've agreed to meet with you because they told me

576
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: your alemana will respect you know. So for instance, yeah,

577
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: I see what you mean, he says. But the problem

578
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: more and is I got I use it in another

579
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: scene that very line in the back of the car

580
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: with Bobby's in the car with somebody who uses that line,

581
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: So you gotta say it. So I'm sitting there like

582
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: a young student to watch you and uh, you know,

583
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: now most guys will find a place to bury it

584
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: in the propers Brando goes so great. I said that

585
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: I must see because to do a serious man respect

586
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: that one minute he made it so real for himself.

587
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: Like he said it, he didn't bury it. It was unbelievable.

588
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. The guy was great, But how deep

589
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: into the shooting because the sunny character, it's it's on

590
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: the page because you're banging the woman against the wall

591
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: at the wedding. No look, but as everything is behavior.

592
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: No disrespect to any writer ever you say their words,

593
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: but it's all about behavior. Actor movie star James Kahn.

594
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: Another brilliant performer associated with the type, albeit a different one,

595
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: is Carol Burnett. Through talent and force of will, she

596
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: overcame everything you'd expect from nineteen sixties TV XCS. And

597
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: he called me back the next day. He said, Carol,

598
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: you know it's not for gals. Comedy variety is a

599
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: man's in. They wanted me to do a sitcom and

600
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to be the same person

601
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: week after week. I wanted I want to do this.

602
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: My full interview with Carol Burnett is in our archive

603
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: at Here's the Thing dot org. This is Alec Baldwin

604
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: and you were listening to Here's the Thing when we left.

605
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: James Cohn. Coppola had given him the role of a

606
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: lifetime in the Godfather, Sonny Corleone, Brando's murderous oldest son.

607
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Con struggled to land the character, but found that after

608
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: the first day on set, Vicious Sonny would be based

609
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: on screwball insult comic Don Rickles. I swear to guard out.

610
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: I was shaving and I was looking at and I

611
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: don't know why I thought of Rickles. I just thought

612
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: of you used to let me laugh. You know. I

613
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: know Riccles because when I was a young guy, I

614
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: hung around with all those old comedians. Riccles stuff was

615
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: like his proudest moment ever because I told him I

616
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: came in the next day. I could have done Hamlet,

617
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: I could have done anything as sunny, no matter what,

618
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: because I had that behavior. What are you gonna do

619
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: to me? What are you gonna do to me? Make blepa?

620
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: And I busted everybody's balls from morning till night, and

621
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: everybody laughing. Brando couldn't say hello to me without laughing.

622
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: Francis is gonna win the same fucking suit like for

623
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: nine months. You're sucking animal, do you hear? You will

624
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: need a few hours, you know. But the point is

625
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: they couldn't take it from me. But what I got

626
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: from what you did is this idea of to me,

627
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: the sunny character is like, we kill people for a living,

628
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: We do a lot of add things for a living.

629
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: We had a lot of blood on our hands. We

630
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: do bad things to some people to get money. And

631
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: what I would get from the Sunny of the movie

632
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: was I'm gonna have a good time. Yeah, we're going

633
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: to all these lengths to get this money. You know

634
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: what I'm I don't know about the rest of you,

635
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: is I'm I'm a fucking good time. But the drink

636
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: of a dinner, I'm gonna go bang. This brought out here.

637
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: I got my safe and and and and that was it,

638
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: and I and Francis let me go. I mean all

639
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: that stup being in a better that never was there.

640
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: It was all it all came out of. And then

641
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: weird stuff happened. I remember why I grew up like

642
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: all my best friend's Italian. So they maybe had two suits,

643
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: but they had twelve pair of shoes. So I said, hey,

644
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: to the water, can I have you gave me a

645
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: parent of kick? Because you know the black and white,

646
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: it's not in the script, so what No, we don't

647
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: have the budget. The budget. It was like nothing. One

648
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: of the Bronx for ten dollars about the black and

649
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: white shoes. You remember the black and white shoes, because

650
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: that was tell me. Then I took a broom handle off,

651
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: you know the industrial brooms, you remember the big industrial brooms.

652
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: I showed them back it out of it and put

653
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: it in my car. What are you putting in your

654
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: call for? I don't know. It's an attitude of just that.

655
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: That's what did you guys carry around on the car?

656
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: How do you know? I know? So so all of

657
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: that stuff. And then when I broke the guy's camera,

658
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm when I'm coming, when I'm coming,

659
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: and take I'm taking the license plate out before do

660
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: not Richard CONTI but but but Clemenza, no, you broke

661
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: the camera in the in the in the park, I'm

662
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: going on taking a spin on the guy's thaying. And

663
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: I walked back not not to be filmed. I mean,

664
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: so we're supposed to walk in and there's guy took

665
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: a picture of me, right. I took this, but it

666
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: was expressed it wasn't whatever relics a real one, and

667
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I smashed it, but I improvised. And then Clement. Yeah.

668
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: I mean always just let me go. You never stop.

669
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: And Clementzer grabbed me and grabbed me. You know it

670
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: just come on sunny and I remember my neighborhood. It

671
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: was okay, like I broke it. But if anybody did

672
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: something like that, they're reaching it pop and I put

673
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: twenty on the floor. But think we think about it again.

674
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: There there has to be he and this doesn't really

675
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: amount to it. But but I was saying what I

676
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: worship about you in films, what I loved about you

677
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: in films, was there had to be a guy that

678
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 1: that did those things, because Al doesn't do that. Al

679
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: shoots the guy very reluctantly, and then he should sterling

680
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: take from all lives, don't we. I mean, you've got

681
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: to take from your life. I mean, you can't make

682
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: that up. But you watch that movie I've seen. But

683
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: when you watch that movie, the audience, even though violence

684
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: is out of favor, even though people doing those things

685
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: is out of favor, you watch that movie realize you've

686
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: got to have that moment where the guy goes, you

687
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: touched my sister again? No, this, what was this? I

688
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: kill you? I remembered it. I didn't think of it.

689
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: You remember when you were a kid, My dad did that.

690
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: My dad. It wasn't ever thought about anything the night before,

691
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: I just went in, bum, push the button, let's play

692
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: around and and and you know it was God bless Francis.

693
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I mean it was. It was really

694
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, Francis never sort of fight either until we

695
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: shot it. Me and and the stunt man did it.

696
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: Carlo's double, you know, not him. Okay, be nice, I

697
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: am nice. You're a good kid. Okay. A brief explanation

698
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: is called for. Here. Kahn has a famous fight with

699
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: Giohnny Russo, the actor who played his brother in law Carlo.

700
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: In a minute, you'll hear more about their on screen violence.

701
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: To con it was just embodying his character fully. Russo,

702
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: on the other hand, even two years ago, was calling

703
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: Cohn nuts. He says. The on screen fights left him

704
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: with a chipped elbow and two broken ribs. Now back

705
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: to the show, So anyway, yeah, France has never saw

706
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: anybody fight before. He didn't know how to stage that, right, right.

707
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: And then the other thing was I come out of

708
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: a car and Collos loots want and you know, up

709
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: the street, come in, come, come, come, here or whatever.

710
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: I said, come in, coup and come out about ninety times.

711
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: So I reached in and I took out my attitude

712
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: and Judge didn't plan it, Alec, I swear my mother didn't. Planet.

713
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: I took out this and was running and I fired

714
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: it at him. Francances it's great, great, But Jimmy, you

715
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: look like you want to You missed him by a mile,

716
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: showed at him. I hit him, but go ahead. But

717
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: I hit him in the coconut on the way up

718
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: the sun double not okay, I would have missed it

719
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: was stuck the kidding. But but but people want to know.

720
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you are one of the stars of one

721
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: of the greatest films ever made in history. And when

722
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: and when you first saw the movie, when you first

723
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: saw you sit there and go, how this is a

724
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: pretty good movie. No, I was mad. I wouldn't go

725
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: to the show. Why you see, Bobby went nuts Evans.

726
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I was staying in my room. I was so piste

727
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: off because I had an eight page sheet with Bobby

728
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: and they cut it out. You know what's selfish? I said,

729
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: what the fuck? You know? They had to come down

730
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: begged me to come upstairs to the party. But the

731
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: first time you saw the movie. Whenever, the first time

732
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: when you saw the movie, what did you think they

733
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: shouldn't have cut out that you miserable? Crick? No, no, no, no, no, no,

734
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: you know you know, I'm gonna tell you something. Francis.

735
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: It ruined his career because he wanted he wanted what

736
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: the Allen career. That was his whole thing. He wanted

737
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: to write and do his own thing. But this monster

738
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: killed his career. You know, we started doing stuff he

739
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to do. But it's no accident that every

740
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: department head that he chose became the biggest in their field.

741
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: Walter Merch, I mean, Dean, probably, Gordy will it, you

742
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: just name them, Jack Smith, gonna make up. He had

743
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: ingenious stuff, like you put a bullet a pace, you

744
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: can see a bullet go in your face, I mean everything,

745
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: But it was all Francis. And the number one thing

746
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: that made that picture successful was the fact that Francis

747
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: was a Mediterranean Italian. He was not a Brooklyn Italian.

748
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: Everything was okay for the sake of family. Everything. So

749
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: when people would ask me, the biggest question asked was

750
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: that a real horse's head. Wait a minute, any one.

751
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: People got killed, but you don't kill about any Was

752
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: that a real horses? Said? Oh yeah, sure that was

753
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: a real horses said, I mean it was. Francis was unbelievable.

754
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: Francis was unbelievable. And he went to acting school. And

755
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: now I've started realizing that, you know, I was out

756
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: of north Ridge and looking at their curriculum and think

757
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: the guys who were learning to be acted as as

758
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: freshman directors as freshman, and then part of their things,

759
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: they take two of their people who were also trying

760
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: to be and they do scenes with them, and that's

761
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: like a mid term or what the who? What's the

762
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: sense they're not working with actors, so how do they know?

763
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: So in my mind, it's a requirement if you were

764
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: a writer, if you were a director or an actor,

765
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: you must start with one year of acting trying to

766
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: figure actors think you can direct, so you can direct

767
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: pull out of them what you need to pull out

768
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: of them, you know. And that's the big problem with

769
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: like a lot of the movies today. I mean, you know,

770
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: I I used to wake a pot a lot of

771
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: these guys where I go to the you know, launch

772
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, as it a studio said, I

773
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: got a great it's a little out of the box.

774
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: But how about this we do pictures. They got a beginning,

775
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: a middle, and an end. Is that cool? What am

776
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: I out of a box? Or what? Now? You always?

777
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean, in the time we have left, I gotta

778
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: go pick up my kids. In the time we have

779
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: left in New York, take them to the park every day.

780
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: My I swear to God, I pick them up at

781
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: five o'clock. The uh. But for a guy that you know,

782
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: you've been married a few times, you're you know, you

783
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: like women. Did you ever? And you have to you

784
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: don't have to answer this question. You have to have

785
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: the details. But did you ever? Were you ever working

786
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: with these leading ladies? If you're something like, excuse the

787
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: ex never go to the bathroom right where you dyed,

788
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: you where you're dying. Yes, and you wouldn't true, and

789
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do that. Once, when I was very very young,

790
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: you dated an actress. I didn't dat. I went to

791
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: you got close with her. I said, would you mind?

792
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: She said, certainly not. But you made it a habit

793
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: not to do that. I don't think it became habit.

794
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: It's just something that I respected. But it's just like

795
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm not fair to the direct I'm

796
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: not fair to to write it. I'm not fair to anybody.

797
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: If God forbid, which usually happens, you have a fight

798
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: with your girlfriend and you gotta bring in a set

799
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: and you've gotta make a love scene. Do a love scene. Um,

800
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: your son? You just changed the subject on me. Yes,

801
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: when when when Scott gave me a hint? Them? When stop?

802
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: When Scott made it clear to you that he wanted

803
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: to be an actor, were you encouraging of him? I'm

804
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: assuming I never discouraged. You know, he's the best guy.

805
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: You never wanted me. He's just a gentleman. He's great,

806
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: and he never knew what I did until I was

807
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: eight nine years old. I wouldn't, you know, until the

808
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: kids on a bus one they said that's your dad,

809
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it was like that, Yeah, why you know,

810
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: he thought I was a coach. He got it like

811
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: when he was sixteen. They said they wanted to use

812
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: him in some films, so I thought it was kind

813
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: of like throw away, you know some and they should

814
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: Jimmy what you do? Just want to seeing him? Yeah?

815
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Why not? You know, I never thought the picture would

816
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: even escape. Then um, he went. I got him into

817
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: Crossroads because they decided they try to make a normal

818
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: school out of him, not like an English boys school,

819
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: because he was like a C student. But he's a

820
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: great athlete, great athlete. So uh he got in a

821
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: fight which he into and then they threw him out,

822
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: and then he went to Devily hiels. I said, you

823
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: can only go to Beverly Hills Hide if you play

824
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: baseball again. So he paid baseball. In the middle of

825
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: the ear he said, I just signed a contract with

826
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy. What who's Tommy Boy? He went on the

827
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: road with Cyprus Hill House of Pain and he had

828
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: to little half choose. They called themselves the Lower Level.

829
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: It was the greatest thing ever. And he went rapping

830
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: all around the country, aid to the motherfucking ca homeboy,

831
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: and your Mercedes, who are you kidding? What are you

832
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: talking to? So? I mean it was great. So he

833
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: just and he's unbelievably right. He he's had four plays

834
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: published with the Alec published. But as far as acting,

835
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: the material isn't as good my son yours. So if

836
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: he becomes an actor, Scott, it's never gonna have the

837
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: opportunity that you and I had worked with the best

838
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: directors and work with the best screenwriters and the best

839
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: this and the best at and you know they're not

840
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: going to have that opportunity. We work with great people

841
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: out It was as good as there ever was. James

842
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: con one of the last of the great old school

843
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: movie stars. This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to

844
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing you have to understand. I do this

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Speaker 1: show and I meet these people, I get choked up

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Speaker 1: and I get choked them