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He is a civil rights activist. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:14.040 He's somebody who has really dedicated most of his life's 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:20.120 work to helping people and to spreading awareness to a 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:24.880 lot of the injustices that happen not only to black 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.000 and brown people, but just to everybody. And so I 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.839 think Sean King is a man. It's someone I really admire. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.240 I've actually been dming him for like four years trying 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.120 to get an interview with him, and he actually hit 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:43.280 me like last week, and you know, so I had 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.360 been dming him for like four or five years, and 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.560 you know, we set this up. So shout out to 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.039 Sean King, somebody who, like I said, is a very 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:57.680 very dope human being, anybody who puts as much effort 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:02.200 as he does into helping people and into spreading awareness 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.120 of injustices. Like hell of a dude. Man. He's got 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.880 a new book called Make Change that's out and I 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:17.680 really really suggest everybody go support it. And for people 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.440 who are about to listen to this podcast, you will. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:26.000 It's political heavy, so that's something that if you're not 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.880 into you might want to just like not listen to 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:36.840 this podcast. But specifically if you're I don't know what 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.640 kind of shit you're on, but if you're li like 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.200 into that Trump shit, probably not going to be this 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.200 episode for you, bud. But yeah, there's a lot of 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.680 political talk in this podcast, a lot of defining what 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:53.200 needs to happen, how people can actually make change. I 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:54.960 know that's the name of his book, but that was 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.560 not on purpose. But yeah, let's get into it. Sean King, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.200 legendary guy. Man. Super proud to have this guy on 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.680 the podcast and hope to have more conversations like this 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.719 in the future. Also a little side note, my audio 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:10.799 does sound like absolute shit. It was just my computer audio, 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:16.160 my mic and my interface was left at my studio 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.640 and I forgot to go pick it up. So this 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:23.880 interview Sean King sounds amazing. My audio sounds I mean, listen, 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.000 it's good enough, but it sounds like as cheeks. But 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.480 let's get into it. Hey, man, how are you good? 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.680 Good to see you face to face. Man, Yes, sir, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.120 how are you feeling? I'm good, man, I you know, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.000 just I've just had a crazy week. Oh yeah, me too, bro, 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.000 me too. I can imagine. I've seen you doing like 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.440 the virtual book tour. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's going pretty well. Man. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.560 I did a I'm doing two or three events every evening, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.960 which is which on paper looks like one thing. But 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.640 it's hard. Man, it's a grind, I can imagine. I mean, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.160 we had planned on before the pandemic, we had planned 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.680 on having a tour all over the country. That's a 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.640 real grind. And so this is not nearly as hard 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.000 as it would have been to be actually going to 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.760 all of those cities, right right right? Yeah, well see, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.280 I appreciate you tapping in, man, I've been a big fan. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.240 I'm a big Bernie guy too. Yeah. I miss Bernie's man. 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:24.120 I take every I take every loss like super personally, 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.880 not because of like wins and losses. But I know 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.680 the people that I'm fighting for actually are fighting for 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.320 everyday people. And I know that when Bernie loses, or 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.760 when somebody else that I'm fighting for loses, people suffer 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.040 as a result of that. And so he to me, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.400 if you went into a lab and made a candidate 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.560 designed for a pandemic, Bernie would come out of that 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.880 like he was made for this moment. Like I so 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.400 desperately wish he was president, man, and I think he 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.000 would have mopped the floor with Trump. Man. Yeah, it's interesting. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:02.680 I guess we'll just dive right into it because, like 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.880 I'm I'm very passionate about Bernie, and I was when 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.440 he lost in twenty sixteen, and there was that moment 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.720 at the at the convention where his brother was crying 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.120 that shit, oh yeah, killing me. Well, you know, his 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.520 brother loves him, man, and and what people, you know, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:26.320 I worked with Bernie on this for this campaign. You know, Bernie, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:31.400 Bernie was deeply hesitant to tell his own origin story 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:36.160 and what his brother knew in that moment. Man, they 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:41.760 grew up rough man, Like his family narrowly escaped the Holocaust. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.959 Most of Bernie's family died in a Holocaust, and they 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.360 grew up dirt poor in the middle of Brooklyn, in 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:55.520 a community of really of Holocaust survivors, and they both 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.960 of his parents, his mother and his father died when 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:03.000 he was in college, and it it changed Bernie in 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.080 a huge way. Man. And when his parents died is 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.600 when he threw himself into the civil rights movement. And 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.440 his brother knows all of that better than me or 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.040 you or anybody. And so to see, uh, to see 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.240 him his brother was was deeply touched. It was a 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.720 it was a special moment for Bernie, who who doesn't 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.679 show a lot of his emotions on his sleeve. You're right, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.240 he doesn't, Yeah, And to see him do that, I 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:36.320 was it was deep. Man. I'm curious, like, obviously we 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:40.400 are in a weird situation. You and I as people 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.040 who rode very hard for Bernie Sanders and and and 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.640 the ideals that he stood up for, and obviously was 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:50.040 very frustrating two times in a row to kind of 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:56.280 see the DNC like, uh, it seemed like they really 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:02.480 worked against him. You know, Bernie, he wrote the Bernie 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.760 wrote the forward to my book, and when he wrote it, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:09.439 he was still running and change, which is out right now. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:14.720 And he says something in his forward and he was 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.560 thinking about something else when he said this. But what 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.840 we have to come to understand is as much as 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:31.880 the Democratic establishment two different times conspired against Bernie, it's 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:36.360 on us to make a survey of who is for 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.480 us and who was against us, and we have to 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.880 out maneuver and out smart and outorganize them. And in 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:48.520 a lot of ways in retrospect, after Bernie was was 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:53.199 crushing it in the primaries basically, and then South Carolina happened, 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.160 and yeah, well it was not you know, he lost 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.240 South Carolina, but literally two days before that, Bernie won 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.920 at in a landslide and state, right it was a 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.080 caucas state. But then you know, Bernie won California, and 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:12.480 typically the candidate that wins California wins the nomination. And 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.920 having one and compete it in all of the places, 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:20.440 Bernie was always in first or second, and and the 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.040 Democratic Party basically said, listen, we need all of you 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.600 to drop out, we need all of you to get 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.080 behind Joe Biden, and we like need you to do 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:34.319 it tomorrow. And so you saw Amy Klobash, Ar Mayor 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:39.440 p Betto and others all said, okay, and it was 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:43.720 too much to overcome. But but here's what Bernie talks 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:48.400 about in his forward, man, is that instead of focusing 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.960 on how they walloped us, in the future, we have 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.880 to think how might something like that happen? And how 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.400 could we outflank an out maneuver, how could we out 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.520 organized something like that? And in a way, I don't 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.160 think this is on Bernie, but I think that move 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:13.520 kind of caught the campaign flat footed. And you know, 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.080 it's it's the media, it's a lot of things. But 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.840 at the end of the day, it's on us, man. 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.800 You know, if you lose an election, it's on you. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:27.079 You lost. And I just now in retrospect, there are 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.200 twenty things I wish we had done differently to help 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.400 his campaign. Yeah. I just hope that you know, he 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:38.040 sparks the next great you know politician, because his ideas 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:42.160 obviously are are and just his authenticity, yeah, and his 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:45.480 you know, like you said, if you were to just 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.680 go into the lab and find like a presidential candidate 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.560 that would fit what's going on right now. But just 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:55.280 in general, just like somebody who is really a unicorn 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.760 in the sense that like they've never really switched up 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.160 on what they believe in. Man, you can cut and 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.760 paste that dude from any generation and he's Bernie. He's 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.080 fighting for universal health care, he's fighting for poor and 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:14.240 marginalized people, he's fighting for equality and access, and he's 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.520 fighting against war. And you can see him doing it 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:22.480 in every generation, relentlessly, no matter what it cost him. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.720 You can see him calling out, you know, wealthy, special interest, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.600 and it can be a speech from nineteen seventy nine 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.400 or two thousand and nine. And it's not that it's 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.880 repetitive each time. He's saying it with passion zeal. He 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.240 means it every time. But I think there's a lot 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.079 to learn from that. I think a lot of up 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.800 and coming politicians and leaders that he loves, like he 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:51.319 loves AOC. He loves Corey Bush and Jamal Bowman who 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.520 just won their primaries in Missouri and New York. He 0:13:55.559 --> 0:14:02.160 loves Jamila Jayapaul, Promila Jyapaul, other in Seattle, UH and 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.840 a lot of others. There's some people coming up who 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.280 are you know, he loves. He loves the Squad and 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.320 they were all members who supported him. And so there's 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.400 some people coming up that I think have that level 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:23.120 of authenticity and courage. You know, he'll continue. I think 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.040 he's the type of person that will will continue leading 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.680 on the issues, and I think he'll be around, you know, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:35.640 still for maybe even another generation. Basically, what we need 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.480 is you and Killer Mike to run for office somewhere 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.720 right right. You know, I think Killer Mike could Killer 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.200 Mike and I Killer Mike is born or raised in Atlanta, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.240 and I lived in Atlanta for almost twenty years. Somebody 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:53.120 like him could run for Congress or mayor. And he knows, 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.160 he knows that it's got to happen. I've talked to 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.720 him definitely about it, and he knows that, yeah, not 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.120 ready yet. But uh, I feel the same way, you know, I. 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.320 You know, I think there are a lot of things 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.120 that he and I both would have to change about 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.080 the businesses that we run, the tours that we do, 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.400 the way that our lives go. When when you are 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.480 a serious elected official, most of that has to come 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.440 to a complete stop. And uh, I have so many 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.760 other responsibilities for me. I tell people all the time, 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.640 like I would love to run for something local, even 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.280 in New York, like a city council position. What happens 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.920 is people put on Mike or me or others that like, 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.800 you should run for mayor or president and there's a 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.200 place for that, but you know it is not the 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.120 place yea. Yeah, yeah, And so I tell people it's 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.840 like no, like I actually, if I'm going to do something, 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:56.080 I want to do it well first. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.880 and and I think that's that shows respect for the 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.880 position and the office. I don't see that in my 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.280 future anytime soon. And I think Mike is probably still 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.760 a ways away from it. But he and I both 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.960 are always trying to figure out how can we lead 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.440 with the influence and position that we have. Now, Well, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.600 look we got Sean King. It's the blueleg Head podcast. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.480 We haven't eve done an official introduction. We went on 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.000 a Bernie tangry right away. Man, that's my guy, Man, 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.560 make change. The book is out while we're talking politics. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:31.200 I was very very annoyed for you over this past 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.120 few days. Yeah, it's okay. It's funny because, like you said, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.080 like I feel like once every five or six weeks 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.520 you trend on Twitter. Yeah, and for me it was 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.080 frustrating because people were putting a tweet that you had up. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.280 I don't know during the primaries up. It was even 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.680 before the primaries. It was I wrote a tweet in 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:56.240 twenty eighteen, before the Democratic primaries even started, before Bernie 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.400 had even announced, and I hadn't actually endorsed Bernie yet, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.320 and sincerely I was open to endorsing someone other than Bernie. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.240 And I said that to Bernie and others that I 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.280 wanted to see who all was going to wow, And uh, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.040 I just said, I know two candidates that I won't 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:21.240 be endorsing for the Democratic nomination, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.119 because of their role in mass and in helping build 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.560 mass incarceration. Uh. It wasn't that I would never support 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.840 them in life or never support their policies, but yeah, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.160 they were and not even I wasn't even talking about 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.080 for president. It was the tweet was actually in a 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.479 tweet thread. People were going to say the one tweet 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.679 that they tried to use against you from this week 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.199 was was like the last tweet of like four or 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.440 five Yeah, I wrote, I wrote, so that's what they do. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.760 So I wrote a tweet thread that was also still 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:57.359 very critical of of Kamala And just like I have 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:02.040 a friend Jamal truelove and Jamal was wrongly convicted of 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.640 murder in San Francisco, a murder he didn't commit, spent 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.520 eight years in prison, and he was convicted by Kamala Harris. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.760 It ruined his life. Wow, and the city of San 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.920 Francisco had to pay ten million dollars in that wrongful 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:20.560 conviction suit, and it changed Jamal in immeasurable ways. So 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.399 like as district attorney, she was deeply problematic. All I 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.479 wanted people to say, and then people start saying stupid 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.639 stuff like is Sean paid by the DNC. I was 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.480 never paid by Bernie. I never worked for Bernie. It 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.000 was always a volunteer. I've never been paid by a 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:40.359 politician the day of my life. And I've studied Kamala's record. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.000 I have no desire to be buddies or friends with 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:49.000 her or with her campaign. She's gotten significantly better and 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.800 she's improved on issues like she now stands against qualified 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.119 immunity for police. She's one of the few senators who 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:02.040 does so. She now stands for the full decriminalization and 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:06.440 legalization of marijuana, which Joe Biden doesn't. And she was 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.359 a co sponsor of a bill with Corey Booker, which 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:14.160 was probably the best bill ever on expunging people's records 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.919 who were ever convicted in the War on drugs. And 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.679 she was a co sponsor of that bill. And so listen, 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.399 I know that she and Joe Biden, they're not my 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.520 dream come true. They weren't in my neither were in 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:31.080 my top ten. And yet Joe, Yeah, especially Joe. And 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:37.159 because here's the thing. I can't say for Joe what 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.200 I can say for Kamala. She has evolved and improved, 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:43.520 and if people don't want to give her credit for that, 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:48.400 that's more says something about them. But Joe hasn't. And 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.400 Joe basically still won't acknowledge his role in building mass incarceration. 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.879 He still won't stand for the most basic policies that 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:02.320 are actually popular among Democrats, uoting universal health care, including 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:07.200 basic criminal justice, re foreign policies and so. And it's 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.000 not because of his age. I don't I don't accept 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.160 that it's him. I saw Bernie. He lacks a lot 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.800 of humility. Joe Biden doesn't have a lot of humility. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.000 Oh he doesn't, man, and he he couches it in 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:23.080 some other things. But no, no, he's uh you know, 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:28.840 he's always been that way. And you know, I also gave, 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.760 probably for the first time in two years, I gave 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.840 Joe Biden a compliment in that tweet thread to say 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.760 that I was surprised that he picked Kamala because she 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.800 was the only person that ran against him, that walloped him. 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.560 She later she went in on him during the the UH. 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.400 I watched every debate and yeah, she she really held 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.919 him over the fire. We couldn't, Bernie. It's not in 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:59.160 his it's not his style to hit people like that, right, 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.560 And all of us who were in his corner wanted 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:06.800 him to throw knockout punches against everybody. And it's just 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:11.280 he's just a good, good guy. And Kamala was a 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.600 former prosecutor what we were just talking about, and she 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.439 hammered Joe Biden on the crime bill. She hammered him 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:22.080 on his role of between integration and segregation, and they 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.359 were they were probably two of the low moments for 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:29.080 Joe Biden in the whole debate. And so I said, 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:33.120 I thought it took some level of guts for him 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.480 to pick the candidate who hammered him the hardest one 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.160 could argue to remember, I mean there was a point 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.359 in time during the primary where it seemed like he 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.280 was done. There was no money coming in, and I 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.760 mean he was a South Carolina saved his ass, you know, 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.760 and I have I have some beef with how that happened. 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:59.359 You almost aren't allowed to criticize how South Carolina saved 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:03.680 him because it seems anti black or racist, and sometimes 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.880 it can venture into that, right. I just think that 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:13.560 like Bernie won Nevada with a huge majority of the 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.639 Latino vote in the same way that Joe won South Carolina, 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:21.560 except Bernie got no credit for it, and I felt 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.119 like both win. I thought the win in South Carolina mattered. 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:28.359 I'm not saying it doesn't. I don't think it settled 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:33.400 the campaign. The guy was dead in the water and 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:37.200 he literally never even campaigned in I think forty four 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:41.040 states have any money. Like for a while there, he 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:44.200 just didn't have money, no man. I swear he probably 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.760 was doing like or doing like budget rental cars. Man, 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:54.920 like they were struggling. And I you know, I did 0:22:54.960 --> 0:23:01.200 an interview with Michael Moore recently, and I thought about 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.760 the campaign a lot. I think in retrospect, Joe Biden 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:09.080 was clearly more formidable then we gave him credit for 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:16.000 his role as Barack Obama's vice president is deeply meaningful 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:22.200 and underestimated. I'm sure at the time it was. And 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:26.680 for even in my own house, like in most black households, 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.959 there's there's you know, I'm looking at my screen. Here 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.920 there's God. Here, there's Michelle. Obama was a little less 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:37.280 in God, and Barack is just a little less than Michelle. 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:41.960 And then there's everybody else. And for most black voters, 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:46.400 particularly black voters over forty, the fact that Joe Biden 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:51.280 faithfully served as Barack's wing man for eight years, dude 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.679 didn't matter to them, man, And I just think we 0:23:54.920 --> 0:24:00.280 didn't give that enough credit. I think Bernie struggle in 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.840 the South in twenty sixteen, but in this time, we 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:07.800 actually fought hard in South Carolina. What I didn't understand 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:13.040 was once we're kind of wonky right now, but once 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:19.400 once Congressman Clyburn endorsed Biden, South Carolina was pretty much over. 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.440 And what I didn't know, I don't live in South Carolina. 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:25.080 I didn't know he had juice like that. I didn't 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:29.040 I knew he had a lot of influence. Exit polls 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:34.840 showed that sixty of voters chose their candidate in the 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:38.480 final two or three days, which is when he endorsed, 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:44.520 and so you know, Clyburn had everything to do with that. 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.280 I don't think it's dirty. I don't think it's like listen, 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:52.480 that's Clyburn used his juice. And we have to think 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.240 like that and figure out how do we win and 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.760 what are the path the paths the victory, you know. 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.760 And I'm not sour grapes over it at all. I'm 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.520 proud of how we did. And I campaigned hard in California. 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.359 I did nearly fifty events up and down California. Bernie 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.359 won there. I campaigned in New Hampshire and you know, 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:20.520 and we won there. So you know, and Bernie never 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.760 sold out, and I just I wish there was still 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:29.080 this enthusiasm. I have two daughters who are eighteen and twenty, 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.399 and this is the first presidential election they get to 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:36.840 vote in. And Joe Biden was pretty much the least 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:41.399