WEBVTT - Why Has The Bar Gotten So Low In Dating?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I do Part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Family, I'm back with part two of our last podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I am mister Wright.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to tell you all the things that men

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<v Speaker 2>are thinking about and picking up where we left off

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<v Speaker 2>with our last set of questions. Well, Leslie forty six,

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<v Speaker 2>says this. She says, dating takes so much effort in

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<v Speaker 2>time time I don't have anymore like when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in my twenties. How can we make ourselves more excited

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<v Speaker 2>about dating and take away the stress and anxiety from

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<v Speaker 2>it being one more thing to do in our already

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<v Speaker 2>busy day. Now, that's coming from Leslie, who's forty six,

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<v Speaker 2>and right off the jump, I'm gonna say, Leslie, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think maybe right now is a good time for

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<v Speaker 2>you to date. It sounds like dating doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 2>fun to you, which I get it, Like there are

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<v Speaker 2>times that it just you know, life is too complicated,

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<v Speaker 2>or you are still recovering from a breakup or hurt

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just not available. Because dating should be exciting,

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<v Speaker 2>Dating should cause a little anxiety and a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of stress and a little excitement, a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all these things.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if dating feels like it is a chore,

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<v Speaker 2>if it feels like it's complicated. I think it might

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<v Speaker 2>be just your particular situation and you may need some

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<v Speaker 2>time to heal and work through this. Because if you

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<v Speaker 2>go into dating, if you go out on a date

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<v Speaker 2>with somebody and it's not exciting and it's not fun

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<v Speaker 2>and you think of it as a chore, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to go well. And I think that you're setting

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<v Speaker 2>yourself up for failure at the very least. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if your days are busy and you have anxieties and

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<v Speaker 2>you're not excited about it, just wait, just wait, just

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<v Speaker 2>wait until you're ready.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine. You don't have to be ready today.

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<v Speaker 2>Give yourself some time to get in a headspace where

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking forward to that anxiety, where you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking forward to the excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>Who it is that you're going to meet, What adventures

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to go on, not worried about if

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to fail, Because you have to be optimistic,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in chapter two. Optimistic is the ingredient that makes

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship possible. If you're going into it already thinking

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to fail or it's going to muddy up

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<v Speaker 2>your busy day, it probably will all right, Well, Margaret,

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<v Speaker 2>who's fifty three, says something that I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of us think about that my body in my fifties

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look like it did when I was younger. I've

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<v Speaker 2>had two kids, I've had tons of loose skin around

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<v Speaker 2>my midsection and stretch marks when I was married, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't insecure about my body because my husband had

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<v Speaker 2>seen me when I was fit, thin, pregnant, all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that I'm back in the dating scene, the anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>that I have about my body and knowing men might

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<v Speaker 2>age prefer to date younger is sending me into a spiral.

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<v Speaker 2>Do men care about loose skin and stretch marks? Or

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<v Speaker 2>should I find a way to tell the guys I

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<v Speaker 2>date in advance to see how they react. Advice please, now, Margaret,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an interesting way to put it, because I

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<v Speaker 2>would often think that it's.

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<v Speaker 1>The other way around.

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<v Speaker 2>That your husband that knew you when you were young

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<v Speaker 2>and as you say, fit and you know, without the

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<v Speaker 2>things that happen to a body when having kids or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever else, and they've seen you kind of progress. Oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>women are more anxious or worried about that man who's

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<v Speaker 2>seen them, you know, when they were young, and that

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<v Speaker 2>you know and see them until they've gotten more mature,

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<v Speaker 2>versus meeting a guy that didn't know you when you

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<v Speaker 2>were younger and didn't know you any other way than

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<v Speaker 2>the way you are now. So I think if you

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<v Speaker 2>meet a guy now at fifty three, with all of

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<v Speaker 2>your perfections and imperfections and all the things that happen

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<v Speaker 2>to our bodies and our faces and our everything, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to tell the guys anything.

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<v Speaker 1>They know what they see.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to give them warnings, You don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to give them a head's up or anything else. They

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<v Speaker 2>can figure it out for themselves. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>you should be confident in the body that you have,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're you know, and if you exude that confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>that guy is not gonna care. Don't get worried about

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<v Speaker 2>what you think guys look for. If you think they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna date younger, if you think they're gonna not like

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<v Speaker 2>your your stretch marks or your blue skin or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it else it is, then you're already starting behind the gates.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't want that.

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<v Speaker 2>Be confident, Margaret, They're gonna love you for the person

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<v Speaker 2>that you are, imperfections and all, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So, Britt, who's thirty five, says this.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw TikTok recently where a man said the bar

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<v Speaker 2>is quote unquote so low right now for men to

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<v Speaker 2>do anything for women, that women are really just looking

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<v Speaker 2>for simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Things like kindness. To questions here, why is the bar

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<v Speaker 1>so low? In your opinion? And two? Whose fault is

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<v Speaker 1>that that it's so low? Is it the man or

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<v Speaker 1>the woman's fault? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>The question is do I think that the bar is very,

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<v Speaker 2>very low? And I'll tell you, mister right right here

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<v Speaker 2>thinks that the bar has been lowered. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure if that's because I'm a bit older, a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more mature, and I'm you know, I'm looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>dating world and it does seem as though there is

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<v Speaker 2>there is this kind of movement away from kindness and

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<v Speaker 2>chivalry and acts of kindness, and maybe I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>see it as often anymore. And you know, guys, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I don't know if it's social media. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's just you know, me being an old

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<v Speaker 2>fuddy duddy and looking back, I just think chivalry, if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not dead, it's certainly wounded in a lot of situations.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there is you know, if it's

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<v Speaker 2>the man's fault of the women's fault, I think men

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<v Speaker 2>are are women are also wanting to be treated so

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<v Speaker 2>much differently than than what I remember, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>old days of you know, holding the door open or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, paying the bill every time, or all those

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of things I think might be looked down as

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<v Speaker 2>old fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I don't know who's at fault for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I do see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that the bar has been lowered in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the way that guys treat women kind of

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<v Speaker 2>early on, and that probably changes, you know, over time,

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<v Speaker 2>but in terms of kind of the dating world, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's I think it the bar has been lowered

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain extent, and I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the guy's fault. I think it, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that women are are also part of this,

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<v Speaker 2>and because they are expecting to be treated quote unquote equally,

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<v Speaker 2>which is great and I'm all for equal treatment or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever else, but sometimes that will take away some of

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<v Speaker 2>these chivalrous things that guys want to do to show kindness,

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<v Speaker 2>to show affection because they're worried about stepping over the line,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I want to bring in a producer,

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<v Speaker 2>Heather on this one. And you know she's a self

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<v Speaker 2>proclaimed feminist and single right now, but coming out of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some long relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your take on.

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<v Speaker 2>It, producer Heather. This is just my perspective in my

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<v Speaker 2>chapter two. But what do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm not out there actively dating whatsoever looking

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<v Speaker 3>but you see this. But I do see a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of this stuff, and I think that the bar is

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<v Speaker 3>really low. I think that it is twofold. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that men. I think that men aren't talking enough to

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<v Speaker 3>each other about standards and how they're treating women. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that men are holding other men accountable

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<v Speaker 3>when they witness bad behavior or hear bad behavior. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that they actually call out their buddies or

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<v Speaker 3>their friends about this kind of stuff. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that women, unfortunately allow the bad behavior to go on

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<v Speaker 3>for two long. I'm super guilty of this. I'm actually

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<v Speaker 3>really guilty of allowing bad behavior to continue for too

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<v Speaker 3>long and not address it and not put my foot

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<v Speaker 3>down on stuff. So I think, yeah, I think it's twofold.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's I think it's both people's problems, and

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<v Speaker 3>I do feel that we've gotten away from common decency

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<v Speaker 3>and just you know, everybody is trying to play it

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<v Speaker 3>like too cool or like there is you know, another

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<v Speaker 3>you right around the corner. So I don't need to like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, do too much. I feel that like my

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<v Speaker 3>perception obviously I'm not a man, but my perception of

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<v Speaker 3>men is that sometimes doing too much and being too

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<v Speaker 3>vulnerable is perceived as like being a simp or being

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<v Speaker 3>a wimp or anything like that. And so I feel

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<v Speaker 3>that there's like a hyper awareness around masculinity right now

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<v Speaker 3>amongst men and about being as masculine as possible. And

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<v Speaker 3>for some reason, I think men equate masculinity to sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>putting women down or keeping women in a in a

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<v Speaker 3>spot where they can be dominant, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's also something that we're seeing play out in the

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<v Speaker 3>dating scene right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you agree that it's both the men and

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<v Speaker 2>the women take some responsibility for it. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, this, this treating of women with respect

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<v Speaker 2>and kindness and small acts of chivalry, I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes something that that older guys have an advantage on

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<v Speaker 2>over younger guys. It's a level of confidence it's a

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<v Speaker 2>level of experience also vulnerability as well, where guys you

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<v Speaker 2>know in my age are probably more willing to be

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<v Speaker 2>a little more vulnerable then you know, a younger version

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<v Speaker 2>of myself.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're saying that that vulnerability came through your chapter

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<v Speaker 3>one or do you think you were acting like this

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<v Speaker 3>early on and that's partly how you got to your

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<v Speaker 3>chapter one? Was your vulnerability your openness?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think I think that I recognize that probably

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<v Speaker 2>not being vulnerable enough and not being mindful enough got

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<v Speaker 2>me to where I am right now, which is in

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<v Speaker 2>my chapter two. And so I think that you know, experience, mistakes,

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<v Speaker 2>all these things you know are are you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of made me the person that I am, certainly from

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<v Speaker 2>you know, day one till now. But relationship wise, I

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<v Speaker 2>think guys that you know are in their chapter two

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<v Speaker 2>are probably realizing what are some of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>got me in the situation, and we go and fix those.

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<v Speaker 3>You would hope that men out there are doing the

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<v Speaker 3>work in their chapter two. It begs the question, though,

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<v Speaker 3>if a man never gets to chapter one, is he

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<v Speaker 3>still that observed of things that he needs to change?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, these men, you know, we're seeing a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the time now that I think marriage rates and

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<v Speaker 3>traditional kind of things like that are declining. So we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing men in their mid forties that have never been married,

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<v Speaker 3>never been engaged, And so it begs the question of

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<v Speaker 3>do they learn those kinds of things about vulnerability if

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<v Speaker 3>they've never experienced what you're talking about that you experienced

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<v Speaker 3>in chapter one. That's kind of been eye opening for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that those probably, you know, those

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<v Speaker 2>guys probably are the anomaly inasmuch as they've you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't they're not looking for relationship, they're not looking

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<v Speaker 2>for family, all those sorts of things. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that guys in their chapter two hopefully have learned from

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say learn from their mistakes, but

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<v Speaker 2>learn from their experience. And you know what, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what has what works, what hasn't worked, And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as you're going into your you know, in your in

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<v Speaker 2>your chapter two, you're trying to go and not repeat

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<v Speaker 2>those same those same mistakes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, but our listeners should write in if their experience

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<v Speaker 3>is that the bar is super low right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I want to I'm also curious in which

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<v Speaker 2>and what what ways is the bar lower in like

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<v Speaker 2>what capacity? Like what what are the things? What are

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<v Speaker 2>the specific things that make the bar lower?

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<v Speaker 1>What I see a.

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<v Speaker 3>Lot on the internet is that the bar is low

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of communication, that men are not moving the

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<v Speaker 3>ball forward in terms of you know, if they're let's

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<v Speaker 3>say they're online dating and they match with somebody, they're

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<v Speaker 3>not doing that forward movement of now let's get a date,

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<v Speaker 3>let's do it on this day, let's do it like

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<v Speaker 3>I see tons and tons of tiktoks of women being like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's six pm and we're supposed to have a date tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see if he actually confirms, and then they'll do

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<v Speaker 3>like an hour update the next day, and I see

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<v Speaker 3>nine to ten times these guys don't confirm. So these

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<v Speaker 3>girls don't actually end up going on a date with

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<v Speaker 3>these men.

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<v Speaker 1>They leave them hanging.

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<v Speaker 3>They say we're going to go get drinks on Wednesday

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<v Speaker 3>at seven, and then they never fully confirm, or they

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<v Speaker 3>never lock it in, or they never tell them the

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<v Speaker 3>location or something. I remember last time I was single,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a guy say, you know, after our first

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<v Speaker 3>date that he wanted to go out again the following week.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the next day he locked in date and time,

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<v Speaker 3>and then proceeded to not communicate with me for the

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<v Speaker 3>next couple of days. And I remember, I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's Friday. I'm supposed to go out with this

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<v Speaker 3>guy on Saturday. Haven't really heard anything from him. And

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<v Speaker 3>then he waited until Saturday, I want to say, like

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<v Speaker 3>two hours before we were supposed to meet up, to

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<v Speaker 3>tell me that he decided he couldn't go out with

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<v Speaker 3>me anymore because he had decided he was moving to Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he should he should have to pay like some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of cancelation fee, like like like you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>we go to the doctor and you don't show up,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you waste somebody Saturday night, that should be

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<v Speaker 2>like a two hundred dollars penalty like that it should be.

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<v Speaker 3>But again we're talking about the bar being low, and

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<v Speaker 3>this was ten years ago. I mean, like, I just

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<v Speaker 3>think that it's it's rough out there in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>like I mean, I haven't gone through chapter one and

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<v Speaker 3>I will not be getting back out onto the wild

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<v Speaker 3>West of dating apps. It was way too much for

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<v Speaker 3>me and my mental health to uh to go through

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<v Speaker 3>that again. But I think that I've experienced it, so

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<v Speaker 3>I understand what these women are saying and men when

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<v Speaker 3>they talk about, you know, the communication going stagnant on

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<v Speaker 3>the apps. You want to take it off the apps.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to communicate. They don't text, they don't call,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't you know, set something. It can be very

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<v Speaker 3>robotic feeling. And again it goes back to that previous

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<v Speaker 3>question that talked about it being you know, another job,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what you know. Modern day dating can kind of

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<v Speaker 3>feel like. And I remember the last time I was

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<v Speaker 3>single that that's how I had to approach it. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like every Thursday was my date night. And then

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<v Speaker 3>if I booked a date on Thursday, it was like

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<v Speaker 3>I went to a place and got my hair blown out.

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<v Speaker 4>I had, like.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember, and then I like picked up like three

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<v Speaker 3>other hobbies so that I had things to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>on set dates. Then I would go out every Friday

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<v Speaker 3>night and every Saturday night, mingling, meeting people, hoping that

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<v Speaker 3>I would pick up another date for next Thursday.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was just out there really pounding the pavement. And I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I did it all. I did blind dates, I

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<v Speaker 3>did setups, I did online dates, I did asking men

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<v Speaker 3>out in person. I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I've asked I've asked men out.

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<v Speaker 3>I've i have sent drinks over to men as like

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<v Speaker 3>a way of flirting. You know, Ladies, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>if you want to give it a try, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually super low pressure.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard women say that it's like super scary or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I've been I remember I've been at like karaoke,

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<v Speaker 3>pulled over a waitress and been like that guy over

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<v Speaker 3>there on the other side of the room is really cute?

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<v Speaker 4>Is there a ring on the finger?

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<v Speaker 3>And they'll be like no, And I'll be like, great, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>he's drinking right now, get him another one, put it

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<v Speaker 3>on my tab, and when he when you deliver it,

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<v Speaker 3>you can just point to me. That's super low pressure, ladies,

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<v Speaker 3>because guess what, it's then up to him if he

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<v Speaker 3>wants to come over and thank you for the drink,

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<v Speaker 3>do that whole thing. You are not then having to

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<v Speaker 3>go over and be like did you get the drink?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you have, you have. You have tossed the proverbial

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<v Speaker 2>ball across exactly. They could the guy could just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of raise an arm or a cheers across if

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<v Speaker 2>he's not interested, which.

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<v Speaker 3>I have had I've had some guy just like raise

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<v Speaker 3>his hand and say thanks so much. I've had a

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<v Speaker 3>guy come over to the table and say thank you

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<v Speaker 3>so much.

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<v Speaker 4>I was really flattering. I'm in a relationship or whatever. Nice, fine,

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<v Speaker 4>have a drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you could end up singing Islands in the Stream

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<v Speaker 2>together in the karaoke or that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's a backfire.

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up sending one to a guy once and

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<v Speaker 3>then he came over. He thanked me, and then was like,

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<v Speaker 3>we should go out this week so I can get

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<v Speaker 3>you a drink.

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<v Speaker 4>Da da da dah whatever whatever. So I ended up

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<v Speaker 4>going out with him, and then.

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<v Speaker 3>It only took one drink for me to find out

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<v Speaker 3>that the guy hadn't had a job in eight years

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<v Speaker 3>and was CouchSurfing. And I was like, well, no, wonder

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<v Speaker 3>he really enjoyed that free drink I sent over.

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<v Speaker 4>The guy doesn't have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Job, He's like, let me get some let's good chicken

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<v Speaker 2>wings with that next time.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, you can't always tell.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like a fool proof kind of situation, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, yeah, if the guy's attractive, he's gonna enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>having a drink sent over. I think it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>compliment regard. And I think that, you know, going back

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<v Speaker 3>to the bar being low, I think that people aren't

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<v Speaker 3>complimenting each other enough, you know what I mean. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>if somebody's attractive, handsome, whatever, if there's no ring and

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<v Speaker 3>there's no girl on the arm, feel free to give

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<v Speaker 3>a compliment. You don't have to be creepy about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Men too, you don't have to be creepy when you

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<v Speaker 3>give a compliment. But like, that's a great those are

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<v Speaker 3>great shoes that you're wearing, you know what. I really

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<v Speaker 3>like that hat that you're wearing. It doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 3>be like you have a nice ass, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Even if they do, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>say it.

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<v Speaker 4>Eat the rule exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think that we as a society have really

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<v Speaker 3>pulled back on being complimentary. And I think I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to get too far into it with like political

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<v Speaker 3>movements and things like that that have happened in recent

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<v Speaker 3>years where men act like they're not allowed to say

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<v Speaker 3>complimentary things. That's that's actually not what any of these

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<v Speaker 3>big movements have been about. It's about if you're my boss, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't be saying a compliment or something weird about me.

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<v Speaker 3>But when we're out in the world and we're engaging

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<v Speaker 3>in conversation and you're not intoxicated, and I'm not like

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<v Speaker 3>if I had children, if I'm like not with my children,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're just like in an adult environment, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's respectful. Yes, people, we can give compliments to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not like something of yesteryear that we're not allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to do anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like, do you feel that way that people

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<v Speaker 4>have like stopped?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think that the moral of the story

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<v Speaker 2>is men and women. Let's raise the bar back up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too, Let's be flirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Our last question coming in here is from Susan, who's

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven. This is what she says.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the opinions you gave in your last episode

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<v Speaker 2>about finances and relationships. I'm in my second marriage and

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<v Speaker 2>my husband has three kids from his first marriage, with

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<v Speaker 2>the youngest about to graduate from colleg This is our

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<v Speaker 2>time to focus and shift into our retirement years. But

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<v Speaker 2>my husband is talking about financing their youngest child for

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote a couple more years. I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>time for them to fly on their own now that

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<v Speaker 2>college is over and it bothers me. How can I

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<v Speaker 2>explain this to my husband so he understands my point

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<v Speaker 2>of view? All right, Susan, this is always going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the trickiest of conversations, which is how to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with children from a you know, the previous marriage, especially

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<v Speaker 2>when you've blended a family, or even if you're just

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<v Speaker 2>coming with no kids. It is a very touchy subject.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll give you all the warnings. The raising of

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<v Speaker 2>a child or children is a delicate thing. And to

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<v Speaker 2>go and and to critique, you know, any part of that,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is going to be something that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to want to deal with set with sensitivity. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>a perspective here, because it's you know, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>you guys have been married for a while. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>are looking into your next not your next chapter in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of marriage, but next chapter in terms of life.

0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:15.880
<v Speaker 2>You're getting into retirement and there is some fiduciary responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>that you both need to have when doing that. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you thought that the you know that you were

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<v Speaker 2>you were saving this much and this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be your plan. And now that changes dramatically, of course, Susan,

0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:27.879
<v Speaker 2>you are going to have a perspective on that, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to have an opinion, and you're going have

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<v Speaker 2>a right to have that, but be careful to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that you're not overstepping in terms of making the

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<v Speaker 2>guy feel like he has to prioritize child or wife.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very delicate, delicate relationship, and I would just

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want there to be something that explodes because

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I think you should certainly voice your opinion

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<v Speaker 2>and your perspective on it, but do it gently. Do

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<v Speaker 2>it knowing that this is your husband's youngest child, this

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.840
<v Speaker 2>is the last you know, the last child he's raising here,

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<v Speaker 2>and and maybe come up with a compromise that allows

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<v Speaker 2>you guys both to achieve your goals, his of being

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<v Speaker 2>a good father to his youngest and you to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the you know that your retirement, that the

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<v Speaker 2>goals that you've been setting financially are being met and

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<v Speaker 2>you're not at risk of losing something because of overspending

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<v Speaker 2>on a category that you hadn't planned on. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>I think a big part of it is that planning

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<v Speaker 2>and why you should talk about finance is because if

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<v Speaker 2>something comes along that you haven't talked about, then who

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<v Speaker 2>is right or who's wrong. Get all that stuff on

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<v Speaker 2>the table, talk about your finances, talk about your future together.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the easiest way to try and side step,

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<v Speaker 2>which could be a delicate familial situation. All right, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much and keep your questions coming. I'm

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