1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Disgraceland as a production of Double Elvis. The stories about 2 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: Sid Vicious from the sex Pistols are hard to believe. 3 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: He had a loving mum who regularly injected him with drugs. 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: He was the bass player and the most infamous punk 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: band in the world, yet he couldn't play bass. He 6 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: stabbed a woman in her belly, left her to bleed 7 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: out on the floor of the infamous Chelsea Hotel, to 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: die in front of him, and that woman was the 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: love of his life. Sid Vicious was born John Simon, 10 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: ritchie tune, out of work, single hippie mum who used 11 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: her son as both a drug mule and a source 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: of affection. As a result, Sid grew up into an 13 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: in secure, attention starved, drug dependent punk, incapable of having 14 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: normal relationships with women, and utterly inept at dealing with 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: life's traumas. He was also a full blown drug addict. 16 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: He would inject whatever drugs you put in front of him, heroin, speed, coke, 17 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: crushed up tranquilizers. It didn't matter. Sid would shoot it, 18 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: all of it. He had no governor, no sense of 19 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: enough being enough. But despite all of this, his band, 20 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: The sex Pistols made great music. The music you heard 21 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: at the top of the show that wasn't great music. 22 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: That was a preset loop from my melotron called Jazz 23 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Fox Piano MK. Two. I played you that loop because 24 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: I can't afford the license for the freak by Chic. 25 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: And why would I play you that specific slice of 26 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: Velvet Rope Disco Cheese? Could I afford it? Because that 27 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: was the number one song in America on February first, 28 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, And that was the day that Sid 29 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: Vicious's mom bailed him out of Riker's Island prison, kicking 30 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: into motion what would become the last day of the 31 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: young rock star's life. Did he overdose, commit suicide or 32 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: was this something more nefarious like a fatal hotshot delivered 33 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: from his mom? On this episode Jazz Fox Piano, Itty 34 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Bitty Drug Mules, Velvet Rope Cheese, Sid Vicious and Hotshots. 35 00:02:33,919 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan, and this is disgraceline and says you 36 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: are now entering Rikers Island, New York City prison complex. 37 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: But it might as well say you are going to 38 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: dive from dope sickness, because that's what was going through 39 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: Sid Vicius's mind. As he was busted into the infamous 40 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: prison sentenced for violating his parole. After eight foggy weeks 41 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: of freedom, a court trial was hanging over his head, 42 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and from all accounts, he wasn't even sure if he 43 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: was guilty or not the charge murdering the love of 44 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: his life, Nancy Sponging. As a new prisoner to Rikers, 45 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: you're stored in a cramped holding cell with the other 46 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: new arrivals. It makes no difference if you're black or white, 47 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: or a gangster or a suit, whether you're a dope 48 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: fiend or mentally ill, you get no special treatment, not 49 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: even if you're a rock star. The holding cell is 50 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: stuffed with inmates and there is zero privacy. There are 51 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: two long benches, but not long enough for all of 52 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: the inmates to sit. The other option is the disgusting floor, 53 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: a sticky mix of dirt, blood, spit, piss, cigarette ash, 54 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: and feces. The smell is overwhelming. It's all of that 55 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: mixed with the odor of one thousand and third world 56 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: nation bazaars. If you're lucky, the screws sort you out 57 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: in a couple hours and you're out of that hell 58 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: hole and off to fresh horrors like the open dorm 59 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: you'll be living in until you make bail or go 60 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: to trial. This is a different kind of hell, and 61 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: this is where Sid would work out his dope sickness 62 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: in open, sweating it out next to sixty four other inmates. 63 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: No partitions, just a cot without barriers to fend off 64 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: the hustlers and the rapists. Prison is no place for 65 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: the pretty, and despite the thousand yard junkie stare, the 66 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: acne in the butch haircut, Sid Vicious, with his high 67 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: cheek bones and lanky demeanor, was indeed pretty. Anne famous 68 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: a tough burden to carry in Riker's, where rape is 69 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: as certain as the shitty food. But being raped wasn't 70 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: the worst of Sid's problems. No access to heroin was 71 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: higher on the oh shit list. Sid needed to get 72 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: out and fast, But that was nineteen seventy nine, before 73 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: Sid's fall from grace. When those who knew Sid Vicious 74 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: speak of his downfall, they usually point to one of 75 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: two women, his girlfriend, Nancy Spongeen or his mom Anne Beverly. 76 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: Nancy was more maternal than a girlfriend should be, and 77 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Anne was more affectionately dependent than a mother should be. 78 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: His sex Pistols bandmate Johnny Rotten said that Sid was 79 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: quote fucked from the beginning. Johnny was right. Sid was 80 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: suspected of killing one of these women and the other 81 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: woman is suspected of killing him, but Sid loved them 82 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: both and love kills. Left to raise Sid on her 83 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: own after his dad split, Anne Beverly became a registered 84 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: heroin addict. She took up the habit in order to 85 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: obtain free housing for her and her son from the 86 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: UK's welfare system. To make ends meet, she would deal 87 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: on the side and wasn't averse to getting her young 88 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: son in on the action, sticking a brick of hash 89 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: down Sid's pants to sneak through customs after a trip 90 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: to Abiza, and on Sid's sweet sixteen she gave him 91 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: a little bag of smack and a couple of needles. 92 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: Johnny Rotten was right. Sid never had a chance, and 93 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: if Anne Beverly's horrible maternal influence on young Sid Vicious 94 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: wasn't enough by his twentieth birthday, Nancy Spongeon would be 95 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: bulleting down the double barrel of didn't see an affection 96 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: straight towards Sid, who was dead set in her crosshairs. 97 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Spongeen was the alpha dog of seventies groupies. She 98 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: was an American heat seeking missile of a woman who 99 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: kept time with members of Arrowsmith and the Ramones. Her 100 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: only ambition to live fast and fuck rock stars Sid 101 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: was planned C. Plan B was Sex Pistols frontman Johnny Rotten, 102 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: who wasn't interested, and Plan A was Jerry Nolan from 103 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: the New York Dolls. So on early March of nineteen 104 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: seventy seven, a few days after her nineteenth birthday, Nancy 105 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: arrived in London hot on the heels of Jerry Nolan, 106 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: but Nolan smartly gave her the slip. Nancy wasn't one 107 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: to waste an opportunity. England's newest hit makers, the sex Pistols, 108 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: were making waves in the clubs and on the charts. Nancy, 109 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: rejected by Nolan and Johnny Rotten, quickly moved onto the 110 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: pistols newly minted bassist Sid Vicious, a decision she based 111 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: on his looks, his attitude, and his punk rock cred, 112 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: not his talent. Sid was hired into the sex Pistols 113 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: for the exact same reasons, for everything but his bass chops. 114 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: By any measure of musicianship. He could barely play his instrument. 115 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Nancy didn't care. He was tabloid famous and punk rock skinny. 116 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: Sid and Nancy hit it off immediately. They had a 117 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: lot in common. She was needy, He was vulnerable his 118 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: rock star status aside. Sid was fragile, damaged, no doubt 119 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: by being brought up by a needy junkie mum who 120 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: introduced him to drug culture at a super young age. 121 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: That fragility remained into Sid's young adulthood when he met Nancy. 122 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: Despite the caricature as they would become, it's important to 123 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: remember that the couple really loved one another. Sure, Sid 124 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: was punk as fuck on and off stage, but given 125 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: a choice, he'd rather sit around at his underwear with Nancy, 126 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: eat cheerios, get high, and watch cartoons. And Nancy, for 127 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: her part, train wreck that she was, really did care 128 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: for Sid. She looked after him, making sure he didn't 129 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: shoot too much dope. She minded his career the best 130 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: she could, and in general couldn't stand being away from him. 131 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: But both craved attention, and both had a taste for violence, 132 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: violence aimed at both themselves and others, cutting themselves out 133 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,359 Speaker 1: of boredom and quick to enter into public spats physically, 134 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: usually for show rather than for any real slight and 135 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: the drugs made it all the more intense. Sid and 136 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Nancy are often cast as a punk rock version of 137 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet star across lovers living fast in leather, 138 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: dying young, and leaving behind good looking corpses. But we're 139 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: only one of Shakespeare's archetypal lovers wilfully ingested poison. That 140 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: one time. Sid and Nancy spent years pumping themselves full 141 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: of chemicals that should have killed them time and time again. 142 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: Nancy began shooting up while still in high school, and 143 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: though Sid had flirted with the stuff before we met her, 144 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: thanks to dear old Mom, from the moment they began 145 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: their relationship to the bloodied end nineteen months later smacks 146 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: the glue them together, though many forces would try to 147 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: pull them apart. But through it all, Nancy loved Sid 148 00:10:44,280 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: and Sid loved Nancy, and love love kills Sid's friend 149 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: Motorhead frontman let Me Killmeisters set of Sid's relationship with Nancy. 150 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: After Nancy got ahold of him, he was over. Others 151 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: thought the same. Sex Pistols manager Malcolm McLaren felt so 152 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: strongly about it that he tried, unsuccessfully to have Nancy 153 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: run over with a car. He also tried to kidnap 154 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: her and put her on a plane back to New York. 155 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: One of the chief reasons he sent the Pistols on 156 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: tour to America in nineteen seventy eight was to get 157 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: Sid away from Nancy and away from Heroin. While on 158 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: tour and without a regular dope supply from his junkie girlfriend, Sid, 159 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: during a moment of desperation, carved gimme a fix on 160 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: his chest with a knife. Beyond the self inflicted cutting, 161 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: the tour was a mess. The sex Pistols, a band 162 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: with day glow hair and funny accents who spit on 163 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: their audience and played a loud, fast and obnoxious new 164 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: form of rock and roll called punk, went over like 165 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: a bomb of clubs across the American South. Chaos ensued, 166 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: and they made headlines everywhere. The pressure of it all 167 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: was too much, so the Sex Pistols quickly disbanded and 168 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: Sid high tailed it back to London to be with Nancy, 169 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: where they were able to devote all of their energy 170 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: and all of the money Sid made on the road 171 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: definding and doing heroin. Sid's solo career was now a priority, 172 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: second to shooting dope, but still a priority. So when 173 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: a drug induced flash of inspiration, it was decided Nancy 174 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: would be Sid's manager. There's a lot of footage of 175 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: the couple during this time, sitting around in their underwear, 176 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: nodding off, making out. As artist manager relationships go, it's 177 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: highly unusual, but for a couple of full blown junkies 178 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: it's standard fair. But Sid didn't lack for female attention. 179 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: His mum was always around. She'd come by their flat 180 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: delivering care packages of jujubes and syringes. As mother son 181 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: relationships go, this too was highly unusual, but again for 182 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: full blown junkies, standard fair. However, London was becoming a drag. 183 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: Maybe it was the lack of excitement now that the 184 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: Pistols were broken up, Maybe it was the junkie who 185 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: turned up dead on their apartment floor, or maybe from 186 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: Nancy's perspective, it was the smothering presence of Sid's overly 187 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: affectionate and increasingly dependent mum. Whatever the reason, Sid's solo 188 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: career needed tending to, and the States seemed like the 189 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: place to be. Sid and Nancy took off from Manhattan 190 00:13:54,160 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: the West Side to be precise the Chelsea Hotel in 191 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. The Chelsea Hotel was already legend. It's 192 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: where Andy Warhol shot Chelsea Girls. Bob Dylan wrote much 193 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: of Blonde on Blonde. Then Leonard Cohen wrote Chelsea Hotel 194 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: Number Two about the time he ran Janice Joplin in 195 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: the elevator and woke up in bed with her. It's 196 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: where Sam Shepard convinced Patti Smith he was single and 197 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: a drummer in a punk band, so that she would 198 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: sleep with him. Chelsea Guitars was down the block, Mothers 199 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: was across the street, Lou Reed lived around the corner, 200 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: and Max's Kansas City was just a short cab ride away. Yeah. 201 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: For Sid and Nancy in nineteen seventy eight, the Chelsea 202 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: Hotel was the place to be. Plus, the Chelsea's first 203 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: floor was the Junkies floor, and that's where Sid and 204 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: Nancy lived in Room one hundred, and that's where Nancy 205 00:14:51,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: Sponging would die. Heroin could be procured easily. Getting ahead 206 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: in the music industry is tough stuff, and getting ahead 207 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: in the music industry without two gramma day habit in 208 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: a motel tan is a bit brutal, so having a 209 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: dependable supply nearby was clutch. Nancy quickly began to make 210 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: strides managing sin. By September of seventy eight, she had 211 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: a string of high paying East Coast gigs lined up 212 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: at three to four grand a pop. His solo band 213 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: was Hot Shit, Mick Jones from The Clash was on guitar, 214 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: and the New York Dolls rhythm section was enlisted, which 215 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: meant Nancy's former obsession, Jerry Nolan, would be along for 216 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: the ride. Sid didn't mind, though he and Nancy had 217 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: a different kind of love by now. It was post sexual, 218 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: more maternal than on Fuego. Jealousy didn't enter into the equation. 219 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: Sex was boring, Heroin was god. Music was a means 220 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: to an end, cash for much needed dope. Jerry Nolan 221 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: could come along, What did sidcare. At the end of 222 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the night, he'd be the one not out at Nancy's 223 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: side no matter what the gigs paid off. Nancy was flush, 224 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: but scoring heroin was getting harder. Finding good dope in 225 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: New York wasn't always easy. Sometimes you had ahead uptown 226 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: in a more dangerous, less known territory and deal with 227 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: really sketchy attics along the way. I mean, what could 228 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: you do. You couldn't complain to your regular dealer that 229 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: his shit was well shit, You were likely to get cut. 230 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: It was better to bite your tongue and take your 231 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: business elsewhere. Nancy Loved said the last thing she wanted 232 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: was for him to get stabbed scoring dope, So on 233 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: October tenth, nineteen seventy eight, she bought him a Jaguar 234 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: K eleven knife for protection. It had a five inch 235 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: blade that would end up in her stomach within a 236 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: number of hours. We'll be right back after this word 237 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: word word. There was no dramatic precursor to Nancy's murder, 238 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: relatively speaking, anyways. There was no fight, no breakdown, nothing 239 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: hinting at premeditation. Sid and Nancy were in love, their 240 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: own version of love, for sure, but love nonetheless, and 241 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: they needed each other like a needle needs a spoon. 242 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: With Nancy minding Sid's career, there was at least some 243 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: sort of professional horizon to look out onto after waking 244 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: up from dope binges, and despite the current state of 245 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: available heroine mister and missus two Stone to Fuck were 246 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: at the time settled into their own routine, their own 247 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: version of domestic bliss, so like any other normal couple 248 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: in the throws of love, they decided to throw a 249 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: party in the room at the Chelsea. Except Sid and 250 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: Nancy weren't a normal couple, and this was the Chelsea Hotel. 251 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: Friends shuffled in and out. The main point of their 252 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: presence was so Nancy could score drugs. She and Sid 253 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: were hurting and on the verge of dope'sickness. Nancy had 254 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: called everyone looking for smack, no dice. The best she 255 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: could do was convince her friend Rocket's Red Glare to 256 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: come by with some synthetic morphine. The scene was dark. 257 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: Unable to score dope, Sid had down thirty two dollars 258 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: and couldn't move. Nancy kept the guests coming in, friends 259 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: with drugs, despair, and a few dealers, but nobody had 260 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: any smack. The party broke up, Sid roamed the halls 261 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: looking for a fix. Nothing. Back to the room, he 262 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: and Nancy were alone. The pain was all consuming. The 263 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: pills and booze outed a haze but did little to 264 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: numb the hurt. Sid felt it the worst. They tried 265 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: soothing each other on their bed. They were a tangled, 266 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: chunky mess in each other's arms, taking turns moaning and agony, 267 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: and in between barely audible mumbles, Sid faded in and 268 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: out of consciousness. Their death packed was on their minds, 269 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: the one where they promised to kill themselves if the 270 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: other had died, so they could be buried next to 271 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: each other in their leather jackets, jeans and motorcycle boots. 272 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: The pact would always come up in moments like these, 273 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: when the pain got to be too much, Sid sweated out, 274 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: mumbling incoherently. Nancy jabbered on and on. They should have 275 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: gone uptown earlier to score when they had the chance. 276 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: And where the fuck was Rocket's red glare with those pills. 277 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: Jerry Nolan always had dope. This was somehow all that 278 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: cunt Malcolm McLaren's fault. She wouldn't shut up. Words, words, 279 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: more words. Sid came too. They lie face to face, 280 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: still twisted up in pain. Sid was shirtless, Give me 281 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: a fix, scarred across his chest, black jeans, half inch 282 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: bike chain, locker room's neck. There was the pain again, 283 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: and there was his knife. He'd had it in his 284 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: pocket or in his hand ever since Nancy he had 285 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: given the tune the day before. She was jones and hard, 286 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: now sweating and gestured, black panties and broth, near naked, 287 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: talking NonStop. She would not shut up. Kill me now, 288 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: give me a fix, Sleep forever, No more pain. Sid 289 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: couldn't think straight. Words, just words, more words. Sid did 290 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: his best, but he understood little beyond the pain, deep 291 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: agonizing pain. Nancy was pissed. More words. Sid didn't understand. 292 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: The tangle turned to a tussle. There was the knife, pain, 293 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: sharp pain, no more words, silence. When Sid Vicious awoke, 294 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: he found the love of his life, Nancy Sponging, dead 295 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: on their bathroom floor, her body crammed between the toilet 296 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: and the sink in an upright position. Blood covered her 297 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: knees and legs. Her knees were perpetually scarred, though we're 298 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: not the source of the blood. It was the single 299 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: stab wound in her abdomen, just below her belly button, 300 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: from the five inch blade of Sid's knight. I stabbed her, 301 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: but I didn't mean to kill her, he told police. 302 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: At one point, I loved her, but she treated me 303 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: like shit. That sounds like a lot of smack. The 304 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: truth is that love kills You are now exiting Riker's 305 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: Island prison complex is what the sign says. But what 306 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: you see is a sign that says you are now 307 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: about to get high as fuck because you just made bail. 308 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: Your mom and your friend Peter Kotik are waiting for you. 309 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: They've arranged it. So the first order of business is 310 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: getting you stoned. Then there will be a party for you. 311 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: And tomorrow you've got to get around to seeing that 312 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: famous lawyer f Lee Bailey that Mick Jagger has been 313 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: secretly and generously paying for Mick Jagger shit. That's what 314 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: Sid Vicious was likely thinking on the first day of 315 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: February nineteen seventy nine when he left Riker's Island prison, 316 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: the first day of the rest of his life that 317 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: would only last roughly another eighteen hours. In prison for 318 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: seven weeks, Sid straightened out sobriety cleans the mind. It 319 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: with clarity. The ghost of Nancy came a knocking. Sid 320 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: was still reeling from the uncertainty of whether or not 321 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: he did or didn't kill the love of his life. 322 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: Imagine that you wake up dazed from horse tranquilizers and 323 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: your girlfriend, your solemnly, your best friend, your business manager. Hell, 324 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: let's be real, the only woman who truly mothered you 325 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: is lying dead on the floor, and you don't think 326 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: you killed her. I mean, why would you depended on her? 327 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: He needed her, he loved her. When you were upset, 328 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: you'd nurse at her breast. She'd call you baby boy, 329 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: and you'd call her mama. Her death and your confusion 330 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: haunted you. Did you do it? Did you kill her? 331 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: How could you do it? How could you kill her? 332 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: Though you often said you'd happily die with her, that 333 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: stuff about the death pact with the two of you 334 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: had was mostly nonsense, right, something you talked about when 335 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: the dope sickness got to be too painful, wasn't it? 336 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: Was it? With Nancy on his mind, Sid was eager 337 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: to reunite with the other love of his life. His 338 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: main squeeze heroin the party was small but spirited. His 339 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: new girlfriend, Miss Mille Robinson, was hosting some friends at 340 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: her apartment in the village. Peter Kotik, Jerry Only from 341 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: the Misfits, some others, and Sid's mom, who is busy 342 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: fixing one off for Sid. His first shot of heroin 343 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: after seven weeks of detox and rikers. Hold up, Let's 344 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: take a minute to understand what's going on here. Your mother, 345 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: your son was just let out of prison. He's about 346 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: to go on trial for murdering his girlfriend. He's a 347 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: heroin addict. The only good thing going for him right 348 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: now is the fact that, in being jailed for the 349 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: last seven weeks, he has kicked his heroin habit. It's 350 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: out of his system. But you, being mom of the Year, 351 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: I think for some reason that it's a good idea 352 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: to immediately give him heroin. The fuck was Anne Beverly, 353 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Sid's mom thinking Sid didn't care. This wasn't unusual for 354 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: the relationship. She'd been the worst of influences since he 355 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: was in short pants. But now her shitty parenting wasn't 356 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: the problem. Her shitty dope was. It was bunk. Sid 357 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: injected it, but nothing. He was furious. Peter Kodok was 358 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: dispatched to hit the streets to find real dope. Mom fell, 359 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: Kodek scored and his dope did the trick. Sid nearly odeed. 360 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: It was strong stuff. His friends revived him, but the 361 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: party died out. Dope addicts know that the first hit 362 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: after detox can be fatal. The trick is injecting the 363 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: perfect amount, balancing enough to get high, but not enough 364 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: to shock your system to death. That's what happened when 365 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: Sid booted up that first time out of prison. Too 366 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: much dope, too much good dope to be exact. He 367 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: wanted more, but was too high to shoot himself up. 368 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: He asked his girlfriend to do it, but uh, She'd 369 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: seen enough of this junkie Harry Carrie. So Sid's mom, 370 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: Anne Beverly, entered the apartment bedroom where her son was 371 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: brawled out in need of a fix sometime in the 372 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: early morning hours of February second, nineteen seventy nine. For Sid, 373 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: the heroine numbed the pain, the pain of missing Nancy, 374 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: the pain of not knowing whether or not he killed her. 375 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: The pain was all consuming. Kill me now he needed more. 376 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: He was too fucked up to inject himself. And that's 377 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: why Mum was there so much pain, lying alone in 378 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: a strange bed thinking of Nancy? Was she there? Was 379 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: she dead? Was this all a dream? Were they back 380 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: at the Chelsea? What was happening? Was he gone already? 381 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: Where was he going? In and out of consciousness there 382 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: then gone, then back with the pain, give me a fix. 383 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: He felt warm hands on his arms, affectionately tying him 384 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: off and rooting around for a vein. Were they his 385 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: mother's hands or nan Either way, it was a touch 386 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: he'd grown to depend on. Then a pinprick. Maybe this 387 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: dope would do the trick. Maybe it would do with 388 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 1: the slitting at the wrists. An attempt to jump out 389 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: the window couldn't do end the pain he was drifting. 390 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: This dope was so heavy. Nancy was definitely there with 391 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: him now, or was it Mom? It had to be Nancy. 392 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: She was always there when the pain gets to be 393 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: too much. She was holding Sid's head to her bosom, 394 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: rocking him back and forth, gently speaking to him softly, words, 395 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: baby boy, Mama, just words, pain, drifting pain, and then sleep. 396 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: Forever Sid was dead. The official cause of death heroin overdose. 397 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: The unofficial cause of death, suicide by heroin the rumored 398 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: cause of death. Sid's mom gave him a hot shot 399 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: why it was a maternal act of mercy. In nineteen 400 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: ninety six, before her own deadly overdose, Anne Beverly supposedly 401 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: confessed to journalist Alan Parker that she had indeed given 402 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: her son his final dose of heroin, and accounts from 403 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: that night aligned with that confession. Anne Beverly was a 404 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: lifelong experienced heroin atict who knew exactly how much dope 405 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: it would take to kill a person who'd been clean 406 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: for seven weeks. There is no way she couldn't have known. 407 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: But why exactly? Sid beating the rap for murdering Nancy 408 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: was a long shot. Rikers with its rapists in real 409 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: punks terrified Sid, so did Nancy's ghost doing twenty plus 410 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: years was unimaginable. For the fragile rock star. He was suicidal, 411 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: so his mom finally did what am mom is supposed 412 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: to do. She may not have been able to sufficiently 413 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: take care of her son while he was alive, but 414 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: in one final act, she took care of her child 415 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: the only way she knew how, because she loved sick 416 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: and love love kills. I'm Jake Brennan and miss this Disgraceland. 417 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for checking out this episode. Hope you guys dug 418 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: it Apple podcast listeners. Make sure you have automatic downloads 419 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: turned on so you don't miss any episodes. 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