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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: It is a Friday. Let's cap the week with a

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Speaker 1: strong one. One hour from now. We have had a

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Speaker 1: very very strong year in the blazing five fifty eight

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Speaker 1: percent guys in the desert, and I'll be watching in

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Speaker 1: one hour.

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Speaker 3: Jmac.

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Speaker 1: It's inevitable when a young quarterback flourishes, Everybody's like, well,

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Speaker 1: is it the coach or is it the quarterback? We

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Speaker 1: always got to give everybody credit. We've got to figure

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Speaker 1: out who gets the credit. So that's all I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: this morning. Well it is it Mike Vrable or is

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Speaker 1: it Drake May? And this is an easy one, folks.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is look at the Washington commanders.

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Speaker 1: Why are they so bad this year? Because Jayden Daniels

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Speaker 1: got hurt? Did Dan Quinn and Cliff Kingsbury forget? How

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Speaker 1: to coach. No, Jayden Daniels is hurt. The team stinks

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Speaker 1: in college football at seventy thirty, coach matters more than quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's head coach, GM and therapist in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Flip it.

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Speaker 1: Look at Mike Tomlin when he had prime Big Ben

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Speaker 1: super Bowls, old Big Ben Playoffs, but couldn't be good

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Speaker 1: teams now yikes. So the colt Shane Steichen was he

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Speaker 1: a bum last year? No be upgraded at quarterback to

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones Andy Reid's entire career. He's very good coach

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Speaker 1: now he's a legend. Why he gets smarter Maholmes. If

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Speaker 1: you're looking at last night, eighty percent of the NFL

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Speaker 1: winning games comes down to your quarterback making five, six,

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Speaker 1: seven throws or decisions, high level execution that wins games.

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Speaker 1: Mike Frable's not winning that game last night with Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields as his quarterback because it was a reasonably close game.

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Speaker 1: But Drake May made six or seven decisions and throws

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Speaker 1: that are incredibly high level. That kid is so good

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Speaker 1: on first down it's amazing. He had a jump pass,

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Speaker 1: couple sideline throws. That's the difference. I mean, Mike Vrabel

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Speaker 1: certainly elevates him. Mike Frabel made Ryan Tannehill a number

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Speaker 1: one seed. Remember that in Tennessee. Who did Frabel get

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Speaker 1: beat by that year in the playoffs at home as

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Speaker 1: a favorite, Zach Taylor. That's not who beat him. Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow beat him with a much worse roster. And Frabel

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Speaker 1: knows that. I mean, and Vrabel, like Belichick, understands that

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, just give it to the coordinator

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Speaker 1: in the quarterback. It's a little harder to do when

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Speaker 1: Drake May's young butt Belichick largely, Tom Brady and Josh

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Speaker 1: McDaniels ran the offense. They were on the phone constantly.

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Speaker 1: So Josh McDaniel's probably the best offensive coordinator in the

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Speaker 1: league last decade. I guarantee you he and Drake May

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Speaker 1: are running most of the offense. And that's not a knock,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean, you watch the Jets offense,

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Speaker 1: it looks like a service academy. They run on third

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Speaker 1: and eight. That's like Jurassic That's awful. But I watched

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Speaker 1: that game last night. There's another one of his throws

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Speaker 1: right there. He just made about six or seven big

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Speaker 1: plays in a reasonably close game. There's another one. You know,

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Speaker 1: back of the linebacker, in front of the safety. That's

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Speaker 1: what the kid does. And you know, again, I am

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Speaker 1: not saying that Reed doesn't deserve credit for Mahomes. In college,

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Speaker 1: Mark Few is gonzagabasketball. Nick Saban was Bama football. They recruit,

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Speaker 1: they develop, they're the therapist, they're the GM, they work

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Speaker 1: the cap, they do the international stuff. They make every decision.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. Rabel doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: make every decision. He's trying to build a culture. You

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Speaker 1: see this thing he does when he's ever, he'd been

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Speaker 3: That's culture building.

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Speaker 1: He is a player's coach and he wants to You

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Speaker 1: can't do everything. You can't do that coach the offense,

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Speaker 1: the defense, do the cap. That's what Belichick tried to do.

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Speaker 1: Old Belichick tried to do that. He took over personnel.

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Speaker 1: huge part of this. But in the NFL it's always

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Speaker 1: felt like to me, it's sixty five thirty five, seventy thirty.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have the guy that can execute at a

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Speaker 1: MVP Drake May.

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Speaker 4: Drake, how's it feel to get those MVP chants?

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Speaker 5: To just have people recognize the way you're playing right now?

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Speaker 6: Maybe in a Travion tonight him he scored three touchdowns.

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Speaker 6: So no, I think it's your friends have you know,

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Speaker 6: been great with you know me says I got here,

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Speaker 6: so I got drafted, And I think just appreciate them

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Speaker 6: for you know, embracing me, just trying to embrace the

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Speaker 6: city and you'll give these fans in this team and

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Speaker 6: you know, just myself, just leave it all out there

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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing about Drake May. He's unbelievable on

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Speaker 1: first down. He completes seventy eight percent of his throws

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Speaker 1: on first down. Last night he was nine for eleven.

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Speaker 1: That is the highest completion percentage on first down since

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Speaker 1: they've tracked it. And that they're always ahead of the chains.

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Speaker 1: What did Belichick say about Brady? When they asked Belichick

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Speaker 1: about Brady his greatest thing, he didn't say his arm

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Speaker 1: or you know what he said. He didn't go backwards,

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Speaker 1: no pre staff penalties, didn't take a lot of sacks.

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Speaker 1: We always had second and five, second and four, second

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Speaker 1: you get by second down. With Drake May, you're ahead

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Speaker 1: of the chains. That opens up the playbook for Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: It opens up the playbook the culture for Mike Vrable.

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Speaker 1: So so much of what Drake May does is what

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Speaker 1: Now he's a more athletic version of Brady, and he's

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Speaker 1: not right now pre snap as good as Brady. But

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Speaker 1: Brady was so good on first down you were never

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Speaker 1: playing behind the sticks. That's exactly what Drake May does.

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Speaker 1: It's a gift. He's great at it.

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Speaker 1: I said they were gonna double their win total from

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Speaker 1: Kansas City's at Denver. They are a favorite, but they're

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Speaker 1: at Denver. And I made a bold proclamation before the year.

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Speaker 1: I said the dynasty's over. I did not say Kansas

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Speaker 1: City would fail to make the playoffs. I said they'll

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs and they're gonna win another super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid and Mahomes may win another super Bowl, but

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Speaker 1: this going to the AFC Championship every year, going to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl every year. That's done, and they'll be good.

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Speaker 1: There'll be a playoff team, but you're not going to

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Speaker 1: And if they lose to Denver, they're five and five, okay,

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Speaker 1: The reason I made this proclamation was, Mahomes is really expensive,

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Speaker 1: Chris Jones and Kelsey are really old. It gets harder

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid sixty seven. But mostly I said Jim Harbaum,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton in division, you're not going to win this

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Speaker 1: thing going away. You're gonna have to get int as

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Speaker 1: a wildcard team. One of the great advantages Brady had

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Speaker 1: very early, I think in his career. Peyton Manning was

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Speaker 1: in the AFC East and they moved into the AFC South.

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Speaker 1: You know, they re aligned the divisions. So Tom just

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Speaker 1: Denver and play in the snow, but Tom was in Foxboro.

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Speaker 1: Tom was at home. Tom was comfortable. Tom got an

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Speaker 1: extra week of prep he got the buy. Those days

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Speaker 1: are over for Kansas City. You're not getting that number

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Speaker 1: one seed anymore. Not with Peyton in the building. Say

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Speaker 1: what you want about bo Nicks. Not with Harbaugh Herbert

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Speaker 1: And so I've said this before. So much of Saban's

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Speaker 1: So much of Lebron's dominance in the NBA was the

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Speaker 1: incompetence of the NBA's Eastern Conference. It's very, very hard

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Speaker 1: once Kirby Smart Texas get into the SEC and Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban's like, get me out of here. Urban Meyer dominated

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Speaker 1: the SEC, then Nick Saban arrived, Right, It's hard to

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Speaker 1: be a dominant golfer skier team when you got an

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Speaker 3: Breathe them down your neck.

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Speaker 1: And so Sean Payton and Jim Harbar arguably the second

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Speaker 1: and third best coach in the league, and Andy maybe

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Speaker 1: the first. It's just a natural progression. Mahomes is getting

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Speaker 1: older and he's a little more expensive, and then you

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Speaker 1: can't miss on his many draft picks, and every good

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Speaker 1: now because you don't have the ability to go buy players.

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Speaker 1: Herbert does or a Mahomes does, you can't. So I

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Speaker 1: in my blazing five. I said, you know, if it

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Speaker 1: It's three and a half. So it's a stay away

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Speaker 8: I think you understand this game is important. I think

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Speaker 8: divisional game, and they're always important, but with them having

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Speaker 8: think guys understand that if you lose this game, it's

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Speaker 8: it'd be tough to go back and get that one.

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Speaker 8: But all you can do is just handle this week

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Speaker 8: and that's why you can really worry about And we

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Speaker 8: still play a lot of great football teams. But like

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Speaker 8: I said, I feel like if we play our best,

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Speaker 1: So I said, when I said the dynasty's over. The

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Speaker 1: reason I said that also is look at last year

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Speaker 1: they were eleven to zero in one possession That was impressive.

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Speaker 1: But what wasn't They were in eleven one possession games. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's because Jim Harbaugh arrived in the division and Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton was in year two and had his quarterback in division.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, the Raiders are non competitive, They're a mess.

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Speaker 1: But I said before, I'm not sure there's ever been

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Speaker 1: a division in football that has had a Jim Harball

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Speaker 1: and Andy Reid and to Sean Payton. That's as good

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Speaker 1: as coaching gets. I mean the Rams, you think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they should win their division every year. Well, Kyle Shannan's

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Speaker 1: in division and now Mike McDonald's in division, so it matters,

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Speaker 1: it really does. I think that's gonna be a great game.

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Speaker 1: I like Kansas City, but I don't love them for

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Speaker 1: the obvious reasons. Denver at home and Sean Payton in

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Speaker 1: spots like this is really good, really good. So Jmack

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Speaker 1: blazing five one hour from now the best game of

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Speaker 1: the year probably, and sometimes it doesn't work out that way.

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Speaker 1: But Seattle to La to take on the Rams, that

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Speaker 1: in that game. I gotta tell you what's fascinating about

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Speaker 1: he's literally a culture changer six minutes in the building.

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Speaker 1: YouTube, subscribe, hit that thumbs up icon and comment away well.

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Speaker 1: General manager John Snyder of the Seattle Seahawks wanted to

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Speaker 1: find kis Sean McVay, and I've generally been a believer

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Speaker 1: in because the rules now favor offense. If you can

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Speaker 1: hire an offensive coach, do it. But Snyder would argue

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Speaker 1: he did find Sean McVay the defensive version in Mike McDonald. Handsome, fit, smart, intense,

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Speaker 1: a culture builder, pro player, but tough on players. That's

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay on defense. So remember that Washington coaching tree

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Speaker 1: when they had Lafleur, McVeigh, Shanahan, Mike McDonald. Well, Mike

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Speaker 1: McDonald he did the Harbaugh tree. He was with the

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Speaker 1: and he crushed in both. So and it's really McVeigh.

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Speaker 1: Minute he walks in the door, he's got a presence.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've said about Mike Kafka with the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I hear he didn't have much of a presence. This

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Speaker 1: guy walks into a big chest, handsome, fit, smart, intense,

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Speaker 1: looks like an athlete. Players by endo him. And that's

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Speaker 1: the thing is McVeigh. Instantly the Rams offense with all

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Speaker 1: the jet sweeps, it just looked different Seattle. The minute

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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald walk in, three things became very clear. Number one,

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Speaker 1: they were going to be a physical team running the football.

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Speaker 1: Number two hyper aggressive. It's why he loves Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: as the quarterback. Sam loves to let it fly down

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Speaker 1: the field. It's why he just made the GM just

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Speaker 1: made a rashid saheat deal from New Orleans. More deep balls, JSN,

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Speaker 1: And the third thing, it's very obvious is special teams

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Speaker 1: I always say this, Pete Carroll, old school left Seattle

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Speaker 1: the defense was better with a new school guy defensive

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Speaker 3: What are you right now? New England?

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable on first down? Tough, better defense, don't make a

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Speaker 1: lot of mistakes. That's that Seattle. Greg Cosell talked about

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Speaker 9: The Rams you're dealing with the two defenses that stunt

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Speaker 9: whether they're penetrators where they're loopers, and that's how they

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Speaker 9: who's being used by Mike McDonald kind of the way

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's back end of the front. Seattle is the

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Speaker 1: real deal. They've been a bit less efficient, a little

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Speaker 3: You know, Pooka doesn't go down the.

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Speaker 1: Field deep that often JSN does, So Seattle takes a

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Speaker 1: few more shots down the field and they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a few more turnovers. But you can see it, man,

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Speaker 1: you can see an identity. Minute he walked into Kirkland

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Speaker 3: J Mack with the news. Turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 5: All right, Colin, let's get started with the Eagles. And

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Speaker 5: the AJ Brown saga. I think we're calling it a

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Speaker 5: saga now, well we're advanced advancing the story because Sequon

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Speaker 5: Barkley has chimed in. He is backing his teammate embattled

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Speaker 3: You never gonna play perfect game, and we know that.

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Speaker 10: Don't know the way we played on Monday, more times

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Speaker 10: than now we played game.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a lot of teams you're want to lose.

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Speaker 3: But that's why you have to have comment football. And

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Speaker 3: the defense came out played big.

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Speaker 4: For us, but we know we got to improved and

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Speaker 4: that's what I say.

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Speaker 3: So whether it's we score ten or whether we score forty, you.

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Speaker 10: Know AJ's not saying anything wrong.

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Speaker 5: We always looking from Rome to.

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Speaker 1: A three standalone game, big standalone game.

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Speaker 3: You better feed the ball to a J. Brown?

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Speaker 5: Oh stop it, what do you mean feed? You can

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Speaker 5: stick to your game plan. If he's going to be.

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Speaker 4: A petulant little child like, let him as.

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Speaker 5: Long as you're winning. I don't want to hear the junk, right,

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Speaker 5: wouldn't you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: I agree it was a joke.

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Speaker 1: I think the worst thing you can do is a

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Speaker 1: peace and force the ball like they did at the end.

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Speaker 1: Of the game against Green Bay, do your thing? Players unhappy?

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Speaker 1: Who says everybody in the locker room is gonna love

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Speaker 3: It's not the way to. So there's always somebody unhappy

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Speaker 3: in pro spour.

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Speaker 5: And you look at the Detroit secondary. I know Branch

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Speaker 4: This could be a nice AJ Brown game.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't look like weather's going to be a factor in

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Speaker 5: Philly Colin for this one. I like the Eagles here

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Speaker 5: favored by two and a half or are you going Lions?

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 1: I think Philly's the play. I think Green Bay's defense

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Speaker 1: is pretty good, and I think it's hard to play Lambeau.

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Speaker 1: You know that was a tough night for both offenses.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll get unleashed here. And also there's some

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Speaker 1: key injuries to Detroit Fine sewell Sam Laporta. Did they practice?

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Speaker 1: Will they play? So the offense may not have the

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Speaker 1: same zip. And it's also cold weather. You look at

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Speaker 1: the weather when it gets under fifty degrees, when it

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Speaker 1: gets cold. Jared Goff, he's okay as a road quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's not a very good cold quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's move to the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 5: They had a you know, let's just say, not a

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Speaker 5: great effort against the Miami Dolphins. It happens sometimes, Colin,

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Speaker 5: you know, the great teams don't show up. They scored

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Speaker 5: just thirteen points and did not have one hundred yards rushing.

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Speaker 5: So that prompted the media to ask Sean McDermott whether

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Speaker 5: Buffalo is still finding its offensive identity.

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Speaker 4: Silly question. Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 11: Finding ourselves a little bit again. The mention of different

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Speaker 11: wide receivers in there and this and that, and some

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Speaker 11: guys out due injuries, some not, and it's it's and

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Speaker 11: that's that's it's not what you want, but it's okay.

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Speaker 11: We just we got to continue to find our best combinations,

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Speaker 11: if that makes sense, Mike, right with who gives us

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Speaker 11: the best chance to win? And you know where can

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Speaker 11: we find the rhythm in the passing game?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 3: A good luck. I I like Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I think if there was one game that could start

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Speaker 1: a bit of an inferno this weekend, it would be

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Speaker 1: Tampa going up to Buffalo and winning.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Our Monday lead would be Sean McDermott, can he coach Buffalo?

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Speaker 1: That's the one game on the board. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: Detroit beat Philly, it's not the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: If the Seahawks upset the Rams, if Kansas that he

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Speaker 1: beat Denver, I mean, most of this stuff. But Buffalo

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Speaker 1: comes home now. They went from one hundred degrees in

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Speaker 1: the humidity. Now they're back to their kind of weather

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Speaker 1: and they play a warm weather team up north. Advantage Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: But if they lost, that's your lead. On Monday at

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Speaker 1: Buffalo can't get right on track.

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Speaker 5: If the Chief slews, that might be a bigger story.

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Speaker 5: But that being said, Colin, I gotta ask you, like

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Speaker 5: this does feel like I must win. The weather looks

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Speaker 5: like it's going to be very bad, which should give

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Speaker 5: Buffalo an edge Tampa's beat up. Can I ask you

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Speaker 5: about Dalton kin Kate. You know when Buffalo they're starting

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Speaker 5: to call him Dalton first Aid because he's always hurt.

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Speaker 5: The guy can't stay healthy.

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Speaker 4: And when he's off.

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Speaker 5: The field, the offense it's not as dynamic because they

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Speaker 1: He's there. He's their best tight end. He can he

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Speaker 1: can block, he can catch. I mean, he's there.

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Speaker 5: Frankly, I think he's a better weapon than any receiver

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Speaker 5: they have. I take him over at Keon Coleman as

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Speaker 1: He was a first round tight end for a reason.

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Speaker 1: He came out of Utah. He was a good blocker

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Speaker 1: right out of college, which most tight ends aren't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the Bills, this is kind of a tell here.

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Speaker 5: They signed me, cole Hartman and Gabe Davis to the

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Speaker 5: practice squad. Okay, that usually means something's going on with

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Speaker 5: the wide receiver room. Do love the vibes in Buffalo,

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Speaker 5: but I am on them in this one final story, Colin,

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Speaker 5: you know, we have to talk about Caleb Williams every

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Speaker 5: Caleb Williams in Chicago six and three. Things are absolutely rolling. Hey,

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Speaker 7: Partly, you know, the part of it is is the

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Speaker 7: the other half of it is. You know, I think

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Speaker 7: I think coaches emphasis on me getting the ball out

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Speaker 7: and then you know when it's you know when it's

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Speaker 7: you know it's time to throw it away, throw it away.

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Speaker 7: And so I think just doing a better job with

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Speaker 1: First thing Sean Payton did in Denver fix the old

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Speaker 1: He went to Ryan Poles and said, get me an

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Speaker 1: offensive coaches, head coaches do when they take over place,

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Speaker 1: fix the O line. That that's where all of it starts.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton did the same thing. He took Denver's messy

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Speaker 1: So they got the right coach and he puts the

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Speaker 5: You know again, I think we touched on this this week.

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Speaker 5: rookie deal, you can spend anywhere. They chose to spend

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Speaker 5: on the offensive line, which was great because Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 5: DNA is running the football and Colin it's working out great.

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Speaker 5: I don't I kind of want of vikings here. Huh

436
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Speaker 5: are the Bears getting three? Caleb listen, you know Flores

437
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Speaker 5: is going to dial up some pressure and he kind

438
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Speaker 5: of flustered Lamar and Jackson. Lamar was not great last week.

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Speaker 5: We saw what he did a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: To Jared Goff, I think they had something like seventeen quarterback.

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Speaker 1: The problem with Minnesota right now is Brian Flores can

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Speaker 1: do everything he wants. When you're three and out, when

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Speaker 1: you don't extend drives, you keep giving teams like Baltimore

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Speaker 1: better field position, better field bit. After about eight to

445
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Speaker 1: nine drives, you cash in at least get field goals.

446
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Speaker 1: Chicago should win the field position game because they'll move

447
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Speaker 1: the ball enough to win that battle. So Caleb's going

448
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Speaker 1: to start on average with better field position over his

449
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Speaker 1: twelve drives than JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: How about this.

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Speaker 5: If JJ McCarthy goes two and OHO against Caleb Williams

452
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Speaker 5: this week, we have to put a cap on Caleb Williams'

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Speaker 5: stories next week.

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Speaker 1: Never Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by the.

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Well, whenever it's college or pro. And this is why

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Speaker 1: I've always defended Lincoln Riley. I always say, with a

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Speaker 1: new coach, does he at least get his side of

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Speaker 1: the ball right? USC's offense since Lincoln arrived top two

461
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Speaker 1: or three in the country. Aaron Glenn got hired by

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Speaker 1: the Jets as a defensive guy.

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Speaker 3: Dude, Robert Saul.

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Speaker 1: His last three years in New York, top five defenses

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Speaker 1: all three years, Aaron Glenn has destroyed, has newked the

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Speaker 1: Jets defense. It's now terrible. Forget the fact he can't

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Speaker 1: handle press conference, this basic press conference. It was fighting

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Speaker 1: with me. Forget the fact the offense looks like a

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Speaker 1: service academy. I mean, it's just it's embarrassing. Their defense

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Speaker 1: opposing quarterbacks against the Jets this year have eighteen touchdowns

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Speaker 1: and no picks. They have one takeaway all season. Second

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Speaker 1: worst in the league is six. I mean, it's like

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Speaker 1: the guy took over McDonald's and he can't even get

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Speaker 1: the French fries right. Didn't ask for new menu items.

475
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Speaker 1: I didn't ask for the milkshake machine to work at McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: It never does. Just just keep the fries great. We

477
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Speaker 1: didn't ask him to do a lot. Just keep the

478
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Speaker 1: defense good. Duch defense has no identity. It's bad. They

479
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Speaker 1: don't take the ball away, the pressure's inconsistent. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to beat up on it for the media stuff

481
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Speaker 1: which is embarrassing or the offense that's not his side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. But you got to get the defense right.

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Speaker 1: You gotta know what you're doing defensively. So and you

484
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Speaker 1: can say what you want about Robert Sala and I

485
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Speaker 1: admit I think Salah should get another head coaching job,

486
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Speaker 1: but SLA's defenses.

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Speaker 3: Were really good.

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Speaker 1: Well, they traded Sauce Gardner and Quintin Williams recently, so

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not asking for new items on the

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Speaker 1: menu here. Just keep the stuff that was good, good

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Speaker 1: that's all I'm asking. So and people say, well, Colin,

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Speaker 1: you said this year one with Dan Campbell in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: No I didn't. No, I did not.

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Speaker 1: I said Year one, when they were losing six to

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Speaker 1: one possession game about Dan Campbell, I said, I hate

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Speaker 1: his press conferences, but god, this team plays hard. They

497
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Speaker 1: were crazy aggressive, crazy aggressive going forward on fourth down.

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Speaker 1: He created an identity. The Lions were playing their butt off.

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Speaker 1: They just had a terrible defense that was pre Aiden Hutchison.

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Speaker 1: You gotta show me something he can't do it defensively.

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Speaker 1: So and then he's got you know here, remember before

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Speaker 1: the season when and I'm you know, I know Aaron

503
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Speaker 1: Rodgers can be a little difficult.

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Speaker 3: I'm not denying that.

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Speaker 1: But there was a moment, there was a tell Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers got in his private jet, flew all the way

507
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Speaker 1: cross country because he still wanted to play football and

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Speaker 1: he wanted to be in New York jet and do

509
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Speaker 1: you remember what happened. I'll read you the story. He goes,

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Speaker 1: it was really strange. I thought we're gonna have this

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Speaker 1: long conversation. I flew across the country. Twenty seconds in

512
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Speaker 1: Aaron Lean's in the edge of his seat and says,

513
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Speaker 1: say you want to play football, and I'm like, yeah,

514
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Speaker 1: I'm interested. And he was like, yeah, we're going in

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Speaker 1: a different direction to quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He goes.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked, not shocked because I didn't think it

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Speaker 1: was a possibility.

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Speaker 3: Shot because I just flew across the country. You could

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Speaker 3: have told me over the phone.

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Speaker 1: And when I heard that and I text a few

522
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Speaker 1: executives in the league, they were like, yeah, that's not great.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to treat players like that. Word's gonna

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Speaker 1: get out just I mean, listen, you gotta treat employees well.

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Speaker 1: Professional football players, young or old, they're employees. You want

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Speaker 1: to treat them well. If you're the manager, if you're

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Speaker 1: the coach, if you're the CEO. So I thought that

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Speaker 1: was weird and he can't deal with the media. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to beat them up for that or

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Speaker 1: the offense, which are in nept but the defense is horrible.

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Speaker 1: It's got no identity. I was texting with an executive

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Speaker 1: last night. I'm like watching, so if we can get

533
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Speaker 1: rid of quarterbacks, if we can one and done quarterbacks,

534
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Speaker 1: can you not do it with a coach? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember Freddy Kitchens. I was like, Baker doesn't respect him.

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Speaker 1: The body language is weird. Freddy Kitchens is not an

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Speaker 1: NFL head coach. Remember that in Cleveland. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't work. That's not gonna work. Mike McDaniel at

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Speaker 1: least showed signs offensively, and Mike McDaniel's on the hot seat.

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Speaker 1: But Mike McDaniels in the first couple of years with

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Speaker 1: all that motion, we were like, man, that's a sophisticated offense.

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Speaker 1: He may not make it, but you saw things with

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel like, Okay, that does work.

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Speaker 3: That is smart.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not I don't like people going cross country

546
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Speaker 1: getting a new job, but opposing quarterbacks this year have

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Speaker 1: eighteen touchdowns, no picks and have a passer rating at

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Speaker 1: one oh four. And I remember years ago and I've

549
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Speaker 1: defended Kyler Murray to the end. I have been a

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray guy to the point where I get made

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Speaker 1: fun of on this show. But there are these little

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Speaker 1: tells during job interviews.

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Speaker 3: My wife used to.

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Speaker 1: Be in HR and she'd say, you know, people would

555
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Speaker 1: say things and job interviews and you're like, yes, I

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Speaker 1: believe somebody said that in the job interview. You do

557
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Speaker 1: see glimpses on dates. They say men need eight seconds,

558
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Speaker 1: women need eight minutes to decide yes, I'll get intimate

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Speaker 1: with that person, right like. Stuff happens very quickly. I

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Speaker 1: always said it's American idol. I don't know music. I

561
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Speaker 1: can listen for fifteen seconds and go, that's a hack,

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Speaker 1: that's a star, that's a good lounge singer. It's not

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Speaker 1: that difficult. And I always said I've been a Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray fan. But remember that interview before he played in

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Speaker 1: the NFL with Dan Patrick. Remember that, I'll play it.

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Speaker 1: I'll play a little bit. Remember this interview, Are you

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Speaker 1: going to the combine?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Well, Dad?

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Speaker 12: Is he going to the combine? Dad had no comment there? Late,

570
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Speaker 12: are you going to spring training? Wait, you don't know, Dad?

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Speaker 12: Is he going to spring training?

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Speaker 1: Another no comment here? Okay, so that's weird. You're the

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Speaker 1: most verbal position in sports. Quarterback is just odd. Well,

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Speaker 1: from that to here, there have been questions about his commitment.

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Speaker 1: Is he like baseball? Mor does he put the time in?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he's a bad human being, but it was

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Speaker 1: a tell.

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Speaker 3: It's like that. That's weird.

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Speaker 1: That's a quarterback. I'm all for quirky not at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So the Aaron Glenn, the fighting stuff, the Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: stuff is like.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know many.

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Speaker 1: But more than anything, Okay, let's just go look at

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Speaker 1: the defense. I'm not gonna blame him for media. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna blame him for arguing with New York Post reporters.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to crush him on the offense. Let's

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Speaker 1: just go look at his defense. Awful, there's nothing to it.

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Speaker 1: That's why I defend the Lincoln Rileys. USC's offense been unbelievable,

589
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Speaker 1: number one in the nation like three times in four

590
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Speaker 1: or five years. I don't know if he coul build

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Speaker 1: a culture, but he knows offense. I mean the Mike

592
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: McDonald for the Seahawks first year took the twenty eighth

593
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Speaker 1: defense to eleventh. I'm like, that guy knows defense. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to be a head coach.

595
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Speaker 1: Now in year two, you're like, yeah, the defense even better.

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Speaker 1: So I got to judge on your expertise because I

597
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: know building culture is hard. I know the other side

598
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Speaker 1: of the ball is hard. I know the media can

599
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Speaker 1: be obnoxious in big cities. That defense there's nothing to it.

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Speaker 5: Well, Colin, it's hard to be a good defense when

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Speaker 5: your offense can't move the football. I mean one hundred

602
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Speaker 5: and twenty one passing yards this week. I think they

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Speaker 5: had fifty four last week. Well, there's so much pressure

604
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Speaker 5: on the defense. But I'll say this. Listen, last year

605
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Speaker 5: with the Patriots, Gerrod Mao was a dumpster fire.

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Speaker 3: We both saw that.

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Speaker 5: It was obvious. However, they had a man. Oh, we

608
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Speaker 5: want Rabel. We're going all into Rabel.

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Speaker 4: We got him.

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Speaker 5: I understood that if you want to go one in

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Speaker 5: Glenn with one and done with Glenn, that's fine. Comm

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Speaker 5: But I need a name. I need a McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: Mike mccarthyl twelve and five, twelve and five, three years

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Speaker 1: in Rowan, Dallas.

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Speaker 4: I'm aware. I like him.

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Speaker 5: You want to pair him with Mendoza, fine, I'll get

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Speaker 5: on board with that. But I don't know that McCarthy's

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Speaker 5: gonna want to go to the Jets. Remember he left

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Speaker 5: the twelve win Cowboys team because the owner was nutty.

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Speaker 5: So is he gonna want to get back in What

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Speaker 5: do they say, out of into the good you're a

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Speaker 5: Jets fan?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I am, isn't it legitimate that at least get the

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Speaker 1: defense right.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a little harder, you know, it's a little

627
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Speaker 5: harder last night when you trade away Quinn Williams and

628
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Speaker 5: Sauce car.

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Speaker 3: But it was bad before.

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Speaker 4: But it was bad before. They have a solid against

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Speaker 4: the Browns.

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Speaker 1: They've had one takeaway all season. Yeah, I know that

633
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Speaker 1: the whole season. The second fewest in the league is six.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: They did do a good job against Drake. Not Drake

636
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Speaker 5: nam Bo, Nick's your guy. They bottled him up and everybody.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's done a good job against Bonets, everybody. We got

638
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Speaker 5: some players, but it's a work in progress. You know,

639
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 5: it's a rebuild. I'm rooting for Glenn, but I would agree.

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Speaker 1: Prime example, Eveland has Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel has not

641
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Speaker 1: done a pick in a couple of games and has

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Speaker 1: had multiple touchdowns in the last couple of games. We

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Speaker 1: don't think Dylan Gabriel's great, but clearly Stefanski has taken

644
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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel and every week Dylan Gabriel looks better.

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Speaker 3: He's limited.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Dylan Gabriel's Drake May, but you can

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Speaker 1: see Dylan Gabriel today and Dylan Gabriel five weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: four weeks ago. He's getting better. You got to make

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Speaker 1: stuff better on your side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not a lot of progress on the defense.

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Speaker 5: Colin Coward is rumored to make an appearance. Then it's

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Speaker 5: Michigan Northwestern Big Noon Saturday only on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about this yesterday and now it came

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Speaker 1: out in the Athletic today, multiple executives saying, I don't

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Speaker 1: like any of these quarterbacks in college. Now. The problem is,

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Speaker 1: as far as I can count, there are nine teams

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Speaker 1: that probably need to draft a quarterback. There's five where

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Speaker 1: it's not arguable draft a quarterback with your first pick.

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Speaker 1: You mostly know you know those five teams they should

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Speaker 1: draft a quarterback. Cleveland, the Jets, the Raiders, the Saints,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers draft a quarterback first pick. There's four others

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Speaker 1: that need to strongly consider drafting a quarterback, maybe not

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Speaker 1: their first pick, but somewhere close Arizona, Miami, LA, and Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: That's nine. Well, I'm reading this story this morning.

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Speaker 1: Executives in the NFL saying, I don't love any of

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks right now. The other one said, nobody's playing

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Speaker 1: the position well enough to take over my franchise. Now,

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Speaker 1: I do believe Mendoza, Fernando Mendoza last weekend separated himself

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Speaker 1: from all the other quarterbacks. I like Dante Moore, but

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Speaker 1: he's twenty. Most believe he's gonna come back. I like

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Speaker 1: Leonora Sellars, the kid at South Carolina raw again. He's

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one years old, not playing that great. He's

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Speaker 1: been dinged up. Those are the other two guys. I

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Speaker 1: like Dante Moore and Lenora's Sellers. I think Mendoza separated

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Speaker 1: himself six', five big. Arm they say he's a great,

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Speaker 1: leader really really driven to be. GREAT i think when

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Speaker 1: he went To oregon and lit up The, ducks you,

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Speaker 1: KNOW i think he's. Separated the winner in this, though

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Speaker 1: The San francisco forty nine. Ers so It brock pretty yets.

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Speaker 1: Hurt that's bad, news, right but it did give them

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to show the world that Mac jones can.

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Speaker 1: Play ma's been excellent this year without Having Ricky pearsol

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Speaker 1: Or Brandon, Auk he's been.

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Speaker 3: Excellent so think about.

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Speaker 1: This The niners are, old and they're, expensive and they're.

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Speaker 3: Brittle they need to get.

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Speaker 1: Young nine teams need to draft a, quarterback And mendoza

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Speaker 1: is not only Separating dante Morn sellers may not come.

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Speaker 1: Out so then you're looking at Maybe Ty simpson At, obama,

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Speaker 1: like don't love arms O ka not hyper. Athletic It's

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Speaker 1: bama their. Quarterbacks you, know a live a different life

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00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: collegiately than a real life in pro. Football SO i

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Speaker 1: think The niners have massive. Leverage they could hold out

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Speaker 1: for a second or a third round. Pick and you

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Speaker 1: think it's, nutty but look go look at those nine.

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Speaker 1: Teams you got coaches that don't want to lose their.

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Speaker 1: Job Mac jones may not be the Prospect mendoza, is

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Speaker 1: BUT i would take him for the next two years

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Speaker 1: over the other. Guys AND i mean like The, jets The,

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Speaker 1: browns The, raiders The, saints The.

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Speaker 3: Steelers they don't have a.

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Speaker 1: Choice they got to take a quarterback with their first

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Speaker 1: or second, pick AND i think The Rams Vikings dolphins

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Speaker 1: In arizona should as. Well Here's Albert breuer on the

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Speaker 1: upcoming quarterback class and decisions that will be.

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Speaker 10: Made there are some teams that are already looking at

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Speaker 10: the idea, of, like you, know what we do in

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Speaker 10: the off season and could there be Another Sam, Darnold Baker,

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Speaker 10: Mayfield Daniel, Jones Gino smith type of story out there

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Speaker 10: to go and seize it pond especially like you, said

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Speaker 10: with the draft class maybe not looking like what people

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Speaker 10: had hoped it would be coming into the. Year you,

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Speaker 10: know Nuss meyer get gets pinched in the middle of

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Speaker 10: The alabama. Game Drew aller is, hurt, right Like Lenora

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Speaker 10: sellers maybe going back to. School Fernando mendoza looks like

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Speaker 10: he's going to go high, up but he may be

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Speaker 10: the only first rounder at this. Point you, know we

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Speaker 10: have to let those things play. Out but right, now

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Speaker 10: it does look like there's going to be more teams

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Speaker 10: needing quarterbacks that are going to be.

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Speaker 1: Available, yeah and that's, big big leverage For San. Francisco

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Speaker 1: AND i mean you look at the current draft, Order

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Speaker 1: tennessee doesn't need. One somebody's gonna move to that number one.

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Speaker 1: Spot tennessee is going to be able to get a

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Speaker 1: smorgasborga picks because somebody's moving up to the number one.

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Speaker 1: Spot saint to two need, One jets three need, One

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Speaker 1: giants four. Don't browns, Do raiders? Do dolphins have a offensive.

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Speaker 3: Line, needs pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: NEEDS i can see The dolphins drafting a quarterback with

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Speaker 1: their second or third, pick getting A Leonoris sellars if

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Speaker 1: he came out in the second.

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Speaker 3: ROUND i could get. That commanders don't need.

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Speaker 1: One bengals, don't but they should probably draft, one, fourth,

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Speaker 1: fifth sixth round burrows healthy. Concern rams don't need one.

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Speaker 1: Immediately they have two first round. Picks my take on

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Speaker 1: The rams is they're gonna get either a corner or

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Speaker 1: a offensive tackle with their first. Pick they'll take A,

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Speaker 1: seller's you, know a raw kid that's not, ready quite

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Speaker 1: ready to play late in the first, round but.

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Speaker 3: There's some no doubt about.

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Speaker 1: It. TEAMS i don't remember the last year where it

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Speaker 1: looks like seven of the ten teams in the top

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Speaker 1: ten could all take a. Quarterback and it looks Like

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Speaker 1: Dante more a, lot but he is twenty and that

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Speaker 1: was The Sam darnold issue when he came, Out sam

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Speaker 1: was twenty.

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Speaker 3: One he was too. Young twenty is really young to

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Speaker 3: go into the.

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Speaker 4: Pros so we both Like, mendoza, Right we like what

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Speaker 4: we see.

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Speaker 5: THAT i don't know that he's a generational got a

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Speaker 5: trade up to get him kind of.

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Speaker 4: Quarterback we'll see during the, process BUT i don't know

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Speaker 4: that that's the.

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Speaker 5: Case Con, so who's offering The titans a boatload of

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Speaker 5: picks to go up For. FERNANAMUNDER i don't think anyone,

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Speaker 5: is because guess, what especially if you're The, jets you

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Speaker 5: could either take a quarterback, here take one later in the,

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Speaker 5: draft and you could take one in twenty seven because

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Speaker 5: you have three.

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Speaker 1: PICKS i think you know WHO i think the team

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Speaker 1: is Is cleveland because if you look At cleveland's, defense

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Speaker 1: they've Drafted Andrew berry is drafted very.

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Speaker 3: Well they've got good.

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Speaker 1: Players in, FACT i was thinking this, morning if Mac

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Speaker 1: jones went To, cleveland and they still have The Deshaun

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Speaker 1: watson pay so they'd rather get a rookie. Quarterback if

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Speaker 1: Mac jones went To, CLEVELAND i Think cleveland would be a.

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Speaker 1: Nine they'd beat my double win total.

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Speaker 3: Team next.

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Speaker 1: YEAR i think draft go look At cleveland's, roster. Dude

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Speaker 1: their defense in THE nfl at home is significantly better

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Speaker 1: than any other defense in the league.

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Speaker 5: Period so you think Mac jones could turn The browns

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Speaker 5: from like sav four and thirteen tow?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely come. On five wins for Mac jones? Absolutely oh my.

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Speaker 5: Gosh, well based on what we've seen this, YEAR i got,

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Speaker 5: maybe but remember he also stunk it up In jacksonville

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00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 5: was atrocious filling in at the endgame.

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Speaker 1: Again, Again stefanski's a legitimate, Coach mack's not a. Superstar

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Speaker 1: cleveland's roster is really. Good it's The. COLTS i. Said

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Speaker 1: i've been on The colts the last two. Years i'm,

789
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Speaker 1: like the roster is, great they're terrible at. Quarterback, well

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Speaker 1: The colts are going to win their division going. AWAY

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00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: i said WHAT i said With New. England i'm Like

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Speaker 1: vrabel And Drake. May they just spent three hundred million

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00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: dollars on. Players they're going to win. Games i'm telling,

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Speaker 1: You i've hit it four years in a. Row if

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Speaker 1: Mac jones went To, cleveland or if they got mendo

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Speaker 1: BECAUSE i Think mendos is A day one, STARTER i

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Speaker 1: would Take cleveland as my double wind total team next.

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Speaker 1: Year go look at, it go, online look at The

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Speaker 1: look at The browns depth.

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Speaker 5: Chart the problem is you got to Face lamar twice

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Speaker 5: And Joe burrow. Twice will they be? Available you bullish

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Speaker 5: on The.

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Speaker 3: Browns?

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Speaker 4: Huh do you like them this weekend against The? RAVENS

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Speaker 4: i actually. Do is it blazing?

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Speaker 1: Five, yeah my, goodness blazing. FIVE i think we've had

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Speaker 1: six or seven winning. WEEKS a little bit of a smoke.

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Speaker 1: Show we want that, Smoke we want that.

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Speaker 3: Smoke beck