Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eighty three,
Speaker 1: Episode four of Dirt Daily Like Dice Day production of
Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into American share consciousness. And it is Thursday,
Speaker 1: April thirteenth, twenty twenty three. I guess we're Does that
Speaker 1: mean we're one month away from a Friday the thirteenth? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess well, no, not the way. Uh, I don't
Speaker 1: know how twenty eight day. It's got to be a
Speaker 1: twenty eight days to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now, so
Speaker 1: it's also a National Scrabbled Day and yay morinca nears day. Wow,
Speaker 1: I remember that when we we're talking about that one fine,
Speaker 1: that seems like two weeks ago. Yeah, I know. My
Speaker 1: name's Jack O'Brien. Ak. No, we don't want labels. Labels
Speaker 1: are for guys who will not get our money. Hanging
Speaker 1: with my boy poll Pot on the super Yeah doesn't
Speaker 1: make us not cease. Don't you write mean words words
Speaker 1: of a certain type of adjective, Tea. Just because Thomas
Speaker 1: got flied on Harlan Crow's ride doesn't mean conspiracy. That
Speaker 1: is courtesy of risk No Scrow code from the Discord
Speaker 1: shout out to the people No Labels party having the
Speaker 1: balls to just go full fuck boy on it. We
Speaker 1: don't want labels. Yeah, leave us through. I'm thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined as always buy my co host, mister Miles
Speaker 1: Gron Clarence Clarence Thomas. We got a thing going on,
Speaker 1: but it's much too strong to recuse yourself. Now that's
Speaker 1: Billy Paul's me and Missus Jones. Just we gotta keep
Speaker 1: up the Clarence Thomas Harlan Crow stuff. Because the Atlantic
Speaker 1: Wow came through and was like nothing. What I told
Speaker 1: him If everybody who has a signed copy of mine
Speaker 1: hemph is a Nazi, then I mean, what's it going
Speaker 1: to happen? Then? What I mean? Next? I like how
Speaker 1: that there's this This piece ended with being like, look,
Speaker 1: I have friends and they know my heart and they
Speaker 1: know I'm not racist. Was the take. And they're like,
Speaker 1: and if you don't know Harlan crowe don't start casting
Speaker 1: aspersions just because he's really into Nazi stuff. Okay. The
Speaker 1: person started off the defense of Harlan crowbing like I've
Speaker 1: been to his house and had cocktails and canopeys. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so you're a trustworthy, non biased source. Oh,
Speaker 1: of course, of course, anyway, you don't know him. You
Speaker 1: know that at Land article is definitely worth a read
Speaker 1: by it. Yeah, we'll grade, We'll have to talk about
Speaker 1: it probably, Yeah, eventually continue to defend this Miles. Yes,
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined in our third seats
Speaker 1: Yeah by a director, documentary filmmaker, and podcast host whose
Speaker 1: new podcast, High Strange Yes is a fascinating exploration of
Speaker 1: one of my favorite topics on this show when it
Speaker 1: drifts through the national share conscious aliens. He's also the
Speaker 1: co creator and host of the hit investigative journalist and
Speaker 1: true crime podcasts Up and Vanished and Atlanta Monster. Please welcome, penguins, guys.
Speaker 1: What's welcome? Welcome, Hey, how's it going? Yeah, I'm doing well.
Speaker 1: How you guys doing. We're doing all right. We had
Speaker 1: a little hiss on the line as we were starting this,
Speaker 1: and we assumed it had something to do with your
Speaker 1: appearance outside of area fifty one. And yeah, these days,
Speaker 1: you know, my phones are probably tapped at this point,
Speaker 1: so you guys might be a victim as well. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry about I'm already probably on a watch list for
Speaker 1: the amount of stuff I download on bit Torrent. So
Speaker 1: right when you were like in eighth grade? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes ago. Yeah, I don't have showtime, but
Speaker 1: I gotta watch Yellow Jackets. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're on a watch list for people who like Hallmark
Speaker 1: Christmas movies just a little bit too much. Yeah, something weird.
Speaker 1: We just you reading those. It's not really like we're
Speaker 1: worried that he's gonna do something. We're just fascinated. How
Speaker 1: a serial killer. We should probably yeah into this. He's
Speaker 1: created a new profile. Were you were you coming to
Speaker 1: us from pain? I'm in Atlanta? How about you? La la? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I love the I love the recording booth. You're in
Speaker 1: a proper sound booth. Oh yeah, this is a it's
Speaker 1: actually in my house. This is like a small little
Speaker 1: whisper room. I crammed into this one room of my
Speaker 1: house to be able to do this or zoom calls
Speaker 1: without you know, having to set up a closet anymore. Right, right, right,
Speaker 1: right now? I love that. Love that awesome. Well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about aliens with you in our second act.
Speaker 1: Get your overrated underrated and all that in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about today beyond high
Speaker 1: strange your podcast and just talking about your experience going
Speaker 1: from alien skepticis and you know, UFO skepticism to at
Speaker 1: least thinking it's something worth exploring. We're gonna talk big
Speaker 1: Pharma being big mad at Republican judge that banned the
Speaker 1: abortion drug. We're gonna talk about MPR bailing on Twitter,
Speaker 1: possibly all sorts of shit. But before we get to
Speaker 1: any of the pain, Yeah, what is something from your
Speaker 1: search history? Okay? Yeah, So right before I was like,
Speaker 1: this could be, you know, suicide. What is the creepy
Speaker 1: thing I looked up? But it turns out was actually
Speaker 1: kind of funny. My last search was bad Gerard Butler
Speaker 1: road rage movie m I was, I guess I was
Speaker 1: talking to my friend about this horrible movie. I guess
Speaker 1: we saw a trailer for a new Gerard Butler movie
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, you know, he's a talented actor,
Speaker 1: but he's been in some really bad movies in the
Speaker 1: last like three or four years. And this came out.
Speaker 1: So it's called Unhinged and it's okay, or yeah, it's
Speaker 1: comically bad. This is a whole subgenre of movies, this
Speaker 1: road rage movies, right, Like, isn't there a Russell Crowe one?
Speaker 1: Or is that the same? Got it? Okay? So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you take the balls to put Russell Crowe and
Speaker 1: Gerard Butler in the same movie, so I get confused. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's like a Bill Pullman Bill
Speaker 1: Paxson like double header, Like that's that's too much. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's similar. It's funny how Google didn't even correct it.
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, here you mean this. That's hilrious
Speaker 1: that It didn't even like like you meant this. No,
Speaker 1: it's like that. And there's a new road rage prestige
Speaker 1: TV beef that is I'm hearing good things about. So
Speaker 1: I guess I guess Unhinged as the main road rage movie,
Speaker 1: but wasn't there one with maybe Samuel L. Jackson and
Speaker 1: an Affleck or something. At some point I feel like
Speaker 1: there was another road rage thing where people encountered one
Speaker 1: another on the road and like it led to a
Speaker 1: long drawn out thing, or maybe I'm just thinking about
Speaker 1: Unhinged and looked a lot alike. Hold on, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it is funny. I think like It's like one of
Speaker 1: those things where like Google's like it's close enough, like
Speaker 1: you know, like when you missmelled something, it's like showing
Speaker 1: you search results instead for this word that you missmelled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is amazing, Yeah, because they are. Yeah. When I
Speaker 1: first saw like the thing, I was like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense, and I googled it just now and I
Speaker 1: saw like a like a screen cap and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that looks like Gerard Butler and I'm like, no, oh wait,
Speaker 1: thust Nope, there's also a movie called road Ridge from
Speaker 1: two two thousand, but I thought there was another one.
Speaker 1: The whole movie He's just mad in a truck. Yeah, Oh, really,
Speaker 1: like like that is it? Is? It just like a
Speaker 1: lot of like beating the steering wheel again. Anger. It's
Speaker 1: so weird. So did you did you see the movie
Speaker 1: or you just saw the trailer? Oh? No, I watched
Speaker 1: the movie. Oh okay, got ye? And then yeah, through
Speaker 1: through all the information that you synthesize, slowly, Russell Crowe
Speaker 1: had revolved into Yeah, like I just saw another trailer
Speaker 1: and I guess now I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: true or Butler or Russell Crowe in the trailer on
Speaker 1: TV like at a bar, like you know, it was
Speaker 1: on mute. Changing Lanes is the one I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That's a Lanes, that's a that's a Ben Affleck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate, but well we'll go ahead and assume Gerard
Speaker 1: Butler was in that one. Just yeah, right, right right.
Speaker 1: But it follows a successful young Wall Street lawyer Affleck
Speaker 1: who accidentally crashes his car into a vehicle driven by
Speaker 1: a middle age recovering alcoholic insurance salesman Jackson. And then
Speaker 1: it becomes a he it's a hit and run and
Speaker 1: and things get ugly. So who's the way who's the
Speaker 1: bad guy in this? The Wall Street lawyer or the
Speaker 1: recovering alcoholic Watch out for those recovering alcoholic? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think Ben Affleck is the bad guy. Got it,
Speaker 1: got it all right? Based on it, I haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, interesting, interesting subgenre. The kind of seems to
Speaker 1: have hit the It's highlight from beef based on what
Speaker 1: people are saying. Have you guys heard about beef? My
Speaker 1: mom loves it entirely in one day on site. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you seem like you have some a road rage
Speaker 1: movie interest. You're a connoisseur of this. You gotta go
Speaker 1: check out Changing lanes Man. Yeah, let us know who.
Speaker 1: The bad guy does not scare me in the slightest.
Speaker 1: It's like, but Beef is really good. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: I had no clue like even kind of describe the show.
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of different things. Yeah, but the acting
Speaker 1: is amazing. Ali Wong is such a good actor, and
Speaker 1: it's not what she got famous for. She was a
Speaker 1: writer and then she did stand up and people are like, oh, damn,
Speaker 1: you're good. You're really good at stand up for better
Speaker 1: and then she's like yeah, and also I'm like an
Speaker 1: incredible actor. Hey, go to the store and grab more
Speaker 1: hyphens because I'm about to drop this acting role too
Speaker 1: of a lifetime. She's getting got on all our asses. Dude.
Speaker 1: It's wild too, because my mom, unprovoked, she was over
Speaker 1: yesterday and she's like, have you seen Beef? And I
Speaker 1: was like no, I was like the Netflix, and she's like, yes,
Speaker 1: I it's so Good's a critic so well. But she's
Speaker 1: also the kind of person who doesn't usually like I
Speaker 1: have to ask her about stuff she likes, So when
Speaker 1: she I think maybe she was just sort of like, oh, Netflix,
Speaker 1: what you will watch sometimes. Did you see this good
Speaker 1: thing on it? But yeah, I'm hearing constantly. I'm good
Speaker 1: at it. I just caught up on Succession, that was
Speaker 1: my TV project. Was watching Succession on my phone while
Speaker 1: watching the Lakers game. That's what my book about stress
Speaker 1: was like. Yeah, but it was good because I could
Speaker 1: look away from the Lakers game when it got too
Speaker 1: stressful figure it out. Yeah, exactly, And that's that is
Speaker 1: how the filmmakers behind Successions said they wanted that show
Speaker 1: to be consumed is right on an iPhone while a
Speaker 1: more important media event is happening, if they said, was
Speaker 1: their preference. So you're welcome. But how about them Lakers,
Speaker 1: Like I said, we're gonna trying to kill us? They
Speaker 1: they almost they almost did. I was. I was also
Speaker 1: texting Sophie and prop to like on a separate thread
Speaker 1: because we're all like toxic Laker fans together and we
Speaker 1: couldn't we couldn't believe what we were saying. Anyway, more
Speaker 1: on that to come. Obviously play next. We're been playing
Speaker 1: the Grizzlies, which ye are tough. Hey, Like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I can go from this and I'll just
Speaker 1: go like that. It change yeah, and then this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah I think, I mean, yeah, I don't they for
Speaker 1: how their ability to win like by any means necessary,
Speaker 1: is uh something that advantage too? Right? Yeah, right, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. It could just be a stressful
Speaker 1: week though, we'll see. Yeah, exactly, he did. He did
Speaker 1: that last night, Yeah, yeah, he did. What is something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated? I think that in and Out
Speaker 1: is extremely overrated. It's the second time this fucking week
Speaker 1: is you know it's okay, like it's it's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that people from the East Coast, you know,
Speaker 1: going to LA for the first time or something, because
Speaker 1: like they don't have that over there. But you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, you're never in and out of there,
Speaker 1: and it's always extremely long lines. It's absolute chaos inside.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like you get it, crazy style or animal style
Speaker 1: whatever it is. It's like, that's not even that's also okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Oh, grilled on, it's all good.
Speaker 1: But I could never say you have to go to
Speaker 1: in and Out? Okay, tell me all the time. So
Speaker 1: this is the second time someone has said this on
Speaker 1: this show this week. I'm glad that we're like beginning
Speaker 1: to bookend the week. We've been over it In and
Speaker 1: Out being overrated. Take But I'm curious, right, is there
Speaker 1: is there a burger that you've had that you're like,
Speaker 1: this lives up to the hype or you're sort of
Speaker 1: coming from the place of when you live outside of
Speaker 1: La this thing, this you've heard tell of, this place
Speaker 1: called In and Out, and it becomes like deified to
Speaker 1: the point that the expectations are just so astronomical. When
Speaker 1: you go, it's like, yeah, definitely, yeah, it's a step above,
Speaker 1: bigger than it is. It's just it. It's not bad,
Speaker 1: it's it's right completely what it is, right right, right, right.
Speaker 1: Five Guys has a consistently dope burger and the Fridays
Speaker 1: I look, I love guys. Yeah, yeah, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, also, Burger's just to burger and
Speaker 1: eventually yeah, yeah, I get that if it's bad, then
Speaker 1: it's probably really bad. Yeah it's bad, the meat has
Speaker 1: gone bad, and then it's don't right. I think the
Speaker 1: main thing that five Guys has going against it, or
Speaker 1: that In and Out has going against it, is that
Speaker 1: it's like the big missing piece of information that I
Speaker 1: think people leave out when they're talking about how good
Speaker 1: it is. It's so good for the money, Like you
Speaker 1: can't for for that price point, you can't get like
Speaker 1: that fresh ingredients like that. It's really good for the money.
Speaker 1: It's priced like a Right, it's still gonna be like
Speaker 1: fourteen bucks or something, right, I don't know. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: compared to like I think sometimes it's held up against
Speaker 1: like shake Shack or even like five guys I think
Speaker 1: is a little more expensive than in and Out is also, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's so funny. We had to
Speaker 1: reverse in and out effect over here in LA because
Speaker 1: all the New Yorkers like shake Shack, And then when
Speaker 1: it came to LA, people were fucking lining up for
Speaker 1: shake Shock. And I remember eating and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this shit's good. I like the frozen custard actually better
Speaker 1: than the burger. Like I was like, I like this
Speaker 1: thing like makes me feel sicker than in and Out
Speaker 1: like afterwards, which is something I have to like. I
Speaker 1: enjoy both of them. Going down, shake Shack makes me
Speaker 1: feel worse. I probably enjoy Shake check more, but then
Speaker 1: I feel worse after the fact, right, right, right, But
Speaker 1: the thing is that like when people come from out
Speaker 1: of town to LA and get in and out. They're
Speaker 1: probably not fully acclimated to the fact that everything is,
Speaker 1: you know, three times as expensive in Los Angeles. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I took my kids to Disney World and I was like,
Speaker 1: the praises here, aren't that bad. And that's when I
Speaker 1: realized that, Oh, I'm just used to La being everything
Speaker 1: in LA being incredibly expensive. Yeah, so it's the praiser
Speaker 1: absurd for Florida, right right, right, Yeah, I think overall,
Speaker 1: like I think maybe in and Out just part and
Speaker 1: parcel of just the myth of California and Los Angeles
Speaker 1: too for people who are outside of it, because like Jack,
Speaker 1: like you know, our like our studios, like in the
Speaker 1: part of Hollywood, and like when I say Hollywood, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about Hollywood Boulevard, which is different than when people
Speaker 1: say Hollywood interchangeably with like this, like yeah, like convergence
Speaker 1: of like Beverly Hills or the Universal Studios early Hollywood,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like on the boulevard, right, And like all
Speaker 1: the time when we walk, Like when whenever I'm walking
Speaker 1: and I hear tourists walk by, They're always like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is not what I thought it would be. And
Speaker 1: you get that like there's like all this like there's
Speaker 1: this version of LA that we all get like very
Speaker 1: passively because all the media that comes out of here.
Speaker 1: But then there's like the very real, like normal city
Speaker 1: of LA and the emphasis that people put on certain parts.
Speaker 1: There's always like a bit of a reconciliation that happens
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, yeah, okay, this is just like
Speaker 1: some older part of the town. And then all this
Speaker 1: stuff I see on TV is where all like the
Speaker 1: wealthy people live that they want you to believe is
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. But just a compare prices real quick, The
Speaker 1: in and out double double double burger is three forty
Speaker 1: five the cheese went since that's right now, I don't
Speaker 1: know that that's what it says on fast food menu prices,
Speaker 1: but what state is that? Right? Maybe maybe that's like
Speaker 1: the Utah in and out, but it's right. And then
Speaker 1: the so that's what's officially listed on that website. And
Speaker 1: then like the cheeseburger for five guys is eleven fifty nine. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I think it's pretty it's at least like
Speaker 1: half as expected. I feel like the combos like around
Speaker 1: nine bucks or something. But then you get fries in
Speaker 1: a drink either, yeah, the combo exactly. The combo is
Speaker 1: nine bucks, but that's still a fine price by right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then twenty dollars when it's all rung up. What
Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated? Pain? I actually think
Speaker 1: that nice socks are very underrated. I want to say
Speaker 1: nice socks. You know, like I've like, you know, guys, traditionally,
Speaker 1: at least you know my friends. Growing up, you just
Speaker 1: to get just whatever, the biggest pack of socks. You
Speaker 1: could get thing for the buck for sure, until they break.
Speaker 1: But yeah, as an adult, I've invested in some nicer
Speaker 1: quality socks, and man, I'll tell you it's a different
Speaker 1: way to live your life. It's you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're missing. It feels like you're suiting up for business,
Speaker 1: like a nice, thick pair of just m it just
Speaker 1: feels good. So well, so your journey is from I'm
Speaker 1: the same way I would be like if like why
Speaker 1: would I buy walked like I would? I remember seeing
Speaker 1: a pair of socks like nice socks, and you get
Speaker 1: one pair, right, and I'm like, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: need at least that doesn't by any means. But also
Speaker 1: but that's that. But that's my thinking too. And I've
Speaker 1: definitely come to realize as I blow holes in like
Speaker 1: sock after sock, because like, I like gripped my toes
Speaker 1: so much when I walk that I'm like that. The
Speaker 1: like the few times that I've like spent a little
Speaker 1: bit more money on a soccer like one that was
Speaker 1: more like activity appropriate, I'm like, oh shit, okay, but
Speaker 1: what's the what are what are we talking like? You're
Speaker 1: going Marino wool, You're going Silk Infuse brand I've been buying.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to plug any people. You
Speaker 1: add some add some add some NYC dot Com. Okay,
Speaker 1: how much they are? They're not cheap, but they're I
Speaker 1: mean you just gotta trium on to feel it out
Speaker 1: a pair or something stupid. I mean, I've paid that
Speaker 1: much for basketball sucks. I think I'm still like middle
Speaker 1: class with the socks. There's definitely like the Haynes ones
Speaker 1: that grew up with, I've taken a step up to
Speaker 1: like Nike ones that come in packs of four maybe
Speaker 1: you know, but not not individually, not buying socks one
Speaker 1: at a time by any stretch of the imagination, unless
Speaker 1: they're dress socks, but both socks and underwear. It's like
Speaker 1: I'll buy a nice pair of socks and a nice
Speaker 1: pair of underwear, and then I'll try to just like
Speaker 1: just wear though, like all the other ones just get
Speaker 1: relegated to the bottom of the drawer and I never
Speaker 1: wear anything else until those, yeah, those nice ones start
Speaker 1: falling apart. Do you do this thing? Like my underwear
Speaker 1: drawer is basically the exalted few that are at the
Speaker 1: top of the pile because they get the most rotation.
Speaker 1: I find go a few levels beneath that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at artifacts from decades ago or things that used
Speaker 1: to be. But I just I just got fed up.
Speaker 1: At one point, I said, you know what, I'm literally
Speaker 1: investing in nice underwear and nice socks. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: got rid of those scary ones from I don't know when,
Speaker 1: right that don't match. It's like this is probably my
Speaker 1: friend's underwear. I don't even know how I got right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like my underwear right now looks like a ghost's prom dress.
Speaker 1: Like it's so like spooky and tattered and like whispy
Speaker 1: and like used to be a white piece of factory.
Speaker 1: At one point, I definitely I would I'm reaching that
Speaker 1: same point because I kept looking at my drawing. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I use maybe five percent of this shit in this drawer.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta go scorch stirth on some of
Speaker 1: these shitty pieces. When you guys travel, do you overpack
Speaker 1: your underwear? Yeah? I usually do. I underpack underwear for
Speaker 1: some just assuming that you might shake your pants every
Speaker 1: single day or there's always I always add one for
Speaker 1: the just in case. I usually five x, you know,
Speaker 1: like if I'm going for five days bringing at least
Speaker 1: ten pairs of underwear. Yeah, and I yeah, I rarely
Speaker 1: shit my pants more than like a couple of times
Speaker 1: on a trip, so right, Yeah, but but you never know, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you never know. Yeah, gotta be ready for anything. Nice
Speaker 1: underwear and nice socks. I think that's very good. Hundred.
Speaker 1: It's so wild too, because it's such a like the
Speaker 1: adult thing to do. But for whatever reason, it's like,
Speaker 1: probably the where I'm the most stunted as someone who's
Speaker 1: nearing forty years old is like, gotta have those underwear
Speaker 1: that my mom bought me in college, Like, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I literally have fucking underwear from what is that fucking
Speaker 1: almost twenty like nineteen years ago, companies that have gone extinct.
Speaker 1: Yeah that Like, I'm like, head the company that makes
Speaker 1: like tennis rackets. Hate that gift for Christmas. Now you're
Speaker 1: like thank you, because yeah, ever want to buy that shit? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No exactly. And now I'm like, oh no, like these
Speaker 1: old American apparel underwear from two thousand and four, yea, useless, useless.
Speaker 1: I got some American apparel tube socks floating around in
Speaker 1: my sock drawer somewhere like and where were you at
Speaker 1: your in your life? That's what's like. It's interesting to think, like,
Speaker 1: what were you like when you're living in New York
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, dressing is Rocky three for Halloween. I
Speaker 1: think that's where I got them. Beach scene, Me and
Speaker 1: my homie dressed up as a Rocky and Apollo for
Speaker 1: the beach team. You just still got them there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like the carbon dating of your underwear. Door.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: back and we will talk aliens. We'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back. And during the break, we were talking
Speaker 1: about the movie, our our relative experiences with the movie
Speaker 1: Fire in the Sky, which is a kind of detailed
Speaker 1: using the best special effects that they possibly could at
Speaker 1: the time early nineties, I guess, not the best they
Speaker 1: possibly could, the best they could with their budget to
Speaker 1: tell the story of an alien abduction that I remember
Speaker 1: it stuck in my brain as like it's so weird
Speaker 1: that all six of these loggers decided to tell the
Speaker 1: story about the friend being abducted and like all seeing
Speaker 1: the same flying saucer in this clearing in the woods,
Speaker 1: and then they were under suspicion for murder for five
Speaker 1: days and still stuck to it, and we're just like, nah,
Speaker 1: like I don't know what you want want us to say,
Speaker 1: but like we saw what we saw, and then he
Speaker 1: reappeared and had this like one hour that he could
Speaker 1: remember out of the previous five days where it was
Speaker 1: like a very detailed experience on an alien spacecraft, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's stuck in my brain. I also found a way
Speaker 1: to just be like, yeah, but it's probably bullshit, but
Speaker 1: it's always stuck there is like kind of I don't know, Paint,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear about your experience, because like my
Speaker 1: personal experience was going from aliens being the news story
Speaker 1: that exists on the checkout rack at the grocery store,
Speaker 1: and you i think even specifically mentioned that, and in
Speaker 1: the chew you saw those tabloids and You're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems crazy. And then change like now I am
Speaker 1: someone who's fully just anything that seems, you know, trustworthy,
Speaker 1: I'm diving in. I want I want to get all
Speaker 1: the details I can because of like all the things
Speaker 1: that have been declassified, and but alien abductions have remained
Speaker 1: a thing where I'm like, well, that just like doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to fit for me, Like it seems I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's so many of them too, that it seems like
Speaker 1: one of the things I've just relegated too. All Right,
Speaker 1: maybe more on that later once we have more information
Speaker 1: on the UAP, the unidentified aerial phenomenon. But what was
Speaker 1: your journey like going from that grocery store checkout rack
Speaker 1: to like now being doing an entire investigative podcast into
Speaker 1: the phenomenon. I mean, as a kid, I just always
Speaker 1: thought this was a fun topic, just the idea of,
Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't it be cool if they were real
Speaker 1: or we're not alone? Just you know, that was a
Speaker 1: fun thought to think about. But you know, as an
Speaker 1: adult making an investigative podcast about this topic. As you said,
Speaker 1: like the last couple of years, the conversations kind of
Speaker 1: shifted a little bit with some big news stories about
Speaker 1: navy pilots seeing things in the sky and kind of
Speaker 1: just I took more of like an analytical approach to
Speaker 1: the whole thing and really try to, I guess, shake
Speaker 1: it all down and find what little nuggets of truth
Speaker 1: existed for real. And with the whole alien abduction thing,
Speaker 1: I think that you know, most of those stories probably
Speaker 1: aren't literally alien abductions. There's so many other things like
Speaker 1: fleet paralysis and stuff like that that could you know,
Speaker 1: you could rationally explain a lot of stuff. But if
Speaker 1: you think that there is life on other planets or
Speaker 1: somewhere else in the universe, and they can come here
Speaker 1: to Earth from places so far away that we can't
Speaker 1: see them with our most advanced telescopes, that it's not
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be impossible for them to do that, right,
Speaker 1: and to get away with it right and out of
Speaker 1: the I mean, they're gone see it like you, We're
Speaker 1: not gonna chase you to where you came from, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's just a little bit more mind bending
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I don't know about that because
Speaker 1: it's it's because it sounds like Fire in the Sky,
Speaker 1: which is a you know, an alien movie that's you know,
Speaker 1: basic true story, but is it did it really happen?
Speaker 1: And so the Hollywood part of it's kind of like
Speaker 1: stigmatize the idea of a lot of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: there's not anything I think unless you experience something yourself,
Speaker 1: you may not be convinced ever of anything. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you and review the person who the story Fire in
Speaker 1: the Sky is like based on his experience, and he's
Speaker 1: still got the same story, still tells a beat for
Speaker 1: beat the same way. It just sounds like a very
Speaker 1: exhausted person who's like, I really wish this hadn't happened
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, Like here's I'll tell you again, man,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I experienced. And but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: just taking it away from abductions, like pilots are the
Speaker 1: ones who get me. I don't know what it is about.
Speaker 1: It just seems like there's so many pilots who have
Speaker 1: seen weird shit in the sky. And you talk about
Speaker 1: this French report with like scientists and generals and a
Speaker 1: lot of pilots and just like things that they have
Speaker 1: known for years, and I don't know. There's that documentary
Speaker 1: I think it's called The Phenomenon, and they really lean
Speaker 1: on pilot testimony, and these are pilots who fought in
Speaker 1: World War Two who went on to like be some
Speaker 1: of the first astronauts to go into space in the US,
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, I saw a flying saucer and
Speaker 1: like tried to chase it and then it just like
Speaker 1: accelerated with no visible sense of propulsion and flew away.
Speaker 1: And they're just like, yeah, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: want this to be true. It kind of fucks up
Speaker 1: my credibility, but this is what I saw. And then
Speaker 1: of course the Nimits, the tic Tac story of the Nimits,
Speaker 1: which is the aircraft carrier off of the coast of
Speaker 1: San Diego that was just being kind of stalked by
Speaker 1: a bunch of those these tic TACs, and the sixty
Speaker 1: Minutes actually talked to some of the eyewitnesses. Right, yep,
Speaker 1: that's a compelling case, would you say, like, because I know,
Speaker 1: like to Jack's point, I feel the same way. Like
Speaker 1: the pilots are the ones I'm like, well, those are
Speaker 1: the people who are most consistently saying like, I'm I've
Speaker 1: not seen anything like this before, and I'm flying around
Speaker 1: the sky all the time, and I'm very familiar with
Speaker 1: like flying aircraft or propulsion systems to the point that
Speaker 1: I'm baffled. Are they sort of like do you see
Speaker 1: them as sort of like the sort of primary or
Speaker 1: the first people that begin to interact with it in
Speaker 1: the most believable way, or like, how do you sort
Speaker 1: of process the testimony of like pilots or other people
Speaker 1: who have like they're saying they see it firsthand outside
Speaker 1: of like a fire in the skytype situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the most compelling case that we could get
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three right now would be a pilot flying,
Speaker 1: you know, some of our most advanced aircraft, which would
Speaker 1: be some of the most advanced in the world, seeing
Speaker 1: something in the sky that their trained eyes don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, right and they can pick it up
Speaker 1: on radar and they can see it. And that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be there at all, Like no country should have anything
Speaker 1: that we don't know how to do. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that's even really possible. I'd be a blunder if
Speaker 1: you know, in the past fifty years, China has advanced
Speaker 1: us by like two hundred years two thousand, lashed us
Speaker 1: multiple centuries. What a failed mission on us trying to
Speaker 1: keep up with the Joneses over here, Like right, wouldn't
Speaker 1: that be such a such a uniquely American blunder too,
Speaker 1: for the amount of money poured into defense and like
Speaker 1: they figured out like space shit already. But yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: go on, but yeah, I think those are the most
Speaker 1: compelling cases because these people are trained, they know what
Speaker 1: they're talking about, and for them to be shocked by
Speaker 1: anything in our airspace, you know, you tend to want
Speaker 1: to listen to what they're saying and believe them. And
Speaker 1: also they don't really have any good motivations for making
Speaker 1: it up because they're you know, they kind of lose
Speaker 1: a little bit of credibility or at least they had
Speaker 1: in the past bringing this up at all, and so
Speaker 1: so a lot of people didn't bring it up, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, so the Nimitz is the one that made
Speaker 1: it to sixty minutes. They actually interviewed to naval aviators
Speaker 1: who were in the same plane and like came into
Speaker 1: like visual contact with one of these tic TACs that
Speaker 1: was like kind of hovering over the ocean and like
Speaker 1: making the ocean froth underneath it, or like it was
Speaker 1: like coming off of something that was just below the
Speaker 1: surface and then it kind of circled their aircraft and
Speaker 1: then just like shot off and at a speed that
Speaker 1: makes no sense given what we think we know about physics.
Speaker 1: That I think a lot of people came away from
Speaker 1: that sixty minutes one. Yeah, I think that entered our
Speaker 1: consciousness more than you know anything that has come before it,
Speaker 1: because sixty minutes is a pretty trusted, trusted name in news.
Speaker 1: But you you told the Nimitz story. You talked about
Speaker 1: some things that I know about it, like that it
Speaker 1: was multiple days. I think maybe sixty minutes covered this,
Speaker 1: but I just like hadn't fully it hadn't stuck in
Speaker 1: my brain, but that it was multiple days where these
Speaker 1: tic TACs were like stalking them, and then like they
Speaker 1: would be going to a place and the tic TACs
Speaker 1: would already be there, so like they knew where they
Speaker 1: were going, which is really kind of spooking interesting from
Speaker 1: rendezvous point, which was secret information almost like they were
Speaker 1: just like twining with them or something. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: speaking of secret information. So that's another thing that comes
Speaker 1: up multiple times in the first few episodes of your show,
Speaker 1: is like the reason for keeping it secret? And there's
Speaker 1: an interesting point that's made a couple times. But if
Speaker 1: people that I think throughout the twentieth century, we assumed
Speaker 1: they were keeping it secret out of knowledge, like they
Speaker 1: were like, we have this knowledge and we're keeping it
Speaker 1: a secret because we don't think you can handle it.
Speaker 1: And I forget who it was. But somebody speculates that
Speaker 1: like they were actually keeping a secret out of ignorance,
Speaker 1: like they are like yeah, yeah, but on the nose
Speaker 1: with that, I think that's that's the biggest misconception, is
Speaker 1: that you know, government secrecy, they're hiding it from us.
Speaker 1: They're hiding the fact that they don't know what this
Speaker 1: shit is, right, They're hiding the fact that they've seen
Speaker 1: the thing and I can't explain it. They know a
Speaker 1: little bit. They don't want to come out and say, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: we don't know what this is. Sorry, that would scare people,
Speaker 1: or some people that would scare So I my other
Speaker 1: thought is like for the reason for keeping it secret,
Speaker 1: And this actually occurred to me most in that interviews
Speaker 1: that happened around that South African school where the children
Speaker 1: all saw the same thing, and it had been kind
Speaker 1: of I forget when it was. But this documentary the
Speaker 1: phenomenon goes back and like interviews the children as you
Speaker 1: know now young adults and there like, yeah, we saw
Speaker 1: what we saw. But the thing that had been left
Speaker 1: out of the story at the time was that there
Speaker 1: was also a teacher who could corroborate what they saw.
Speaker 1: So like it got explained away as like children making
Speaker 1: up stories, but there's a teacher who could corroborate it.
Speaker 1: And the military came in and we're basically like, we will,
Speaker 1: we will make it seem like you were drinking on
Speaker 1: the job if you kind of continue and follow through
Speaker 1: with this corroboration. Like that got me think about, like
Speaker 1: what the motivation is for the military to actively try
Speaker 1: to keep this secret, and it I think it has
Speaker 1: to go back to, at least partially to the fact
Speaker 1: that we for up to this point, like from World
Speaker 1: War Two up to this point, have like existed in
Speaker 1: this paradigm of like it's called the realist school and
Speaker 1: international relations, but it's this idea that whoever has the
Speaker 1: most military power is going to use it to take
Speaker 1: shit and you know harm whoever is threatening them or
Speaker 1: like isn't threatening them, but like it's just basically like
Speaker 1: kill or be killed, and whoever has the most power
Speaker 1: will do with that power whatever they want. And like
Speaker 1: the fact that there have been these aliens or you
Speaker 1: know whatever these are around with technology that has like
Speaker 1: lapped us by centuries and they haven't like attacked us
Speaker 1: or like done it tried to take our resources like
Speaker 1: makes me think that it also like there's something powerfully
Speaker 1: undermining about the whole like military industrial complex, Like what
Speaker 1: the philosophy that that whole military industrial complex rests on
Speaker 1: that they don't want out there the idea that like
Speaker 1: a more advanced, more technologically advanced civilization wouldn't treat you
Speaker 1: like that, would just kind of sit there and chill
Speaker 1: and not try and take over your country. That's a
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, I think it's more of like a
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, let me see that. I don't
Speaker 1: like if there's like a crazy case that happens and
Speaker 1: they descend on it, they're gonna tell that guy that,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna say that you were drinking on
Speaker 1: the job. If you keep talking about this because they're like,
Speaker 1: give it over here. We want to see it first
Speaker 1: and figure out what it is ourselves and then determine
Speaker 1: what we should do with this, you know, yeah, just
Speaker 1: out of like maybe even some good intentions in there,
Speaker 1: but trying to figure out what's going on so that
Speaker 1: they can have an answer for anybody or anything, hopefully
Speaker 1: you know, eventually delivering a message that's actually makes sense
Speaker 1: of anything. I think that there's just been too many
Speaker 1: mixed pieces over the years that don't fully connect to
Speaker 1: each other. And I'm sure people have done with information
Speaker 1: that was important because of the taboo of everything. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the fear of aliens coming to earth and
Speaker 1: harming us as a silly one because we're assuming that
Speaker 1: we're so important that they would need to do that.
Speaker 1: I think that if you become that advanced, like I
Speaker 1: did an analogy and like later in the series about
Speaker 1: how we're just like a little ant hill in the forest,
Speaker 1: and how often do you go walk in the forest
Speaker 1: and talk to an ant hill. You don't care about it.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna step on it, you're not gonna ruin it,
Speaker 1: unless you're an asshole. You're just gonna kind of let
Speaker 1: it be there. You're just gonna here they are, there's
Speaker 1: a little queen or whatever, and yeah, that's it. You
Speaker 1: might send some scientists to study it, but sure exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: were to be like, we gotta kick that shit over.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the idea that it's funny you have
Speaker 1: a bunch of quotes from presidents in a row, and
Speaker 1: like Carter, actually, Jimmy Carter had an experience with the
Speaker 1: UFO where he like saw some lights in the sky
Speaker 1: and he's like, I could never fully explain it. Obama
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, talking about how there are
Speaker 1: things that we've seen in the sky that we can't
Speaker 1: fully explain. And then Reagan was like talking about it
Speaker 1: as a threat that could like bring everybody together, and
Speaker 1: like that that's the dangerous idea that I could see
Speaker 1: the American military industrial complex eventually seizing on too, is
Speaker 1: that we need to really step up the funding to
Speaker 1: our military more than you know, it's already like such
Speaker 1: a massive portion of the revenue and just everything that
Speaker 1: happens and in the country for the paste hundred years.
Speaker 1: But like he was marveling at it as like, God,
Speaker 1: could you imagine if we all got to fight a
Speaker 1: war with a threat from aliens? Yeah? Yeah, which did
Speaker 1: he die before Independence Day came out? I don't like,
Speaker 1: maybe just barely. Yeah, he's like God only could have
Speaker 1: been there for that. Yeah, I mean, what do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean? Because I feel like when the overarching thing
Speaker 1: when talking about like UAPs and like these tic TACs
Speaker 1: and things like that, there's people who I think, like us,
Speaker 1: like Jack and I were were like that's fucking interesting,
Speaker 1: and I like that this is something we don't know
Speaker 1: about and we're trying to understand. Then, Like I've like
Speaker 1: even like people like who I'm friends with and I've
Speaker 1: talked to who are like into science and stuff. When
Speaker 1: I've talked about it, They're like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it's probably some bullshit anyway, Like, and some people are
Speaker 1: really they really want to maybe preserve this like sense
Speaker 1: that like we know everything already, yeah, but we're what
Speaker 1: do you sort of feel like this sort of forces
Speaker 1: at play? Are you know, at work when like discussing
Speaker 1: these things. Because you're you know you are You're you're
Speaker 1: intuitive person, you are interested by it, you begin investigating
Speaker 1: while other people might say there's nothing, it's not even
Speaker 1: worth looking at what like where do where? Like I
Speaker 1: guess sidally, where are we going to? What can we
Speaker 1: move towards where it maybe is easier to just say
Speaker 1: that is worth talking about. Doesn't necessarily have to mean
Speaker 1: that the fucking aliens are coming just like the movies,
Speaker 1: but like, but shit like we might have to humble
Speaker 1: ourselves as human beings to say, yeah, there's there's something
Speaker 1: we don't fucking know. I think, I mean, one, not
Speaker 1: everyone is extremely open minded. I think we've figured that
Speaker 1: out right. I think for a lot of people it
Speaker 1: doesn't fit very well into their belief systems or you know,
Speaker 1: they understand their life and the world in this way.
Speaker 1: And this would put a real big cog in that
Speaker 1: if you had to factor in that, hey, there's also
Speaker 1: like a thousand other life forms out there that are
Speaker 1: more advanced than us that that just exists. Nothing changes here,
Speaker 1: but that that's a thing that's real. And I think
Speaker 1: that at this point legitimately supports the idea of extra
Speaker 1: trust real life. The universe is too big, the combination
Speaker 1: of things that had to happen in our solar system
Speaker 1: for Earth to flourish, that has to have happened somewhere else.
Speaker 1: It would be more of an anomaly if we were
Speaker 1: the only ones that could, assuming that there's not a
Speaker 1: life form that doesn't need the exact things we need
Speaker 1: to survive. I think for some people it's easier to
Speaker 1: dismiss it because it's not they're not comfortable thinking about it.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna say they're not gonna come out right
Speaker 1: and say that. But I think there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of fear there. But there's a there's a healthier conversation
Speaker 1: to be had about the possibility of us not being
Speaker 1: alone in that being more likely than not. And it
Speaker 1: shouldn't scare you that much. And I think that if
Speaker 1: you're being closed minded about it and assuming that we
Speaker 1: know everything already, I mean, shit, we used to smoke
Speaker 1: cigarettes on airplanes, like not that long ago. Like I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure we're still flying in some of those planes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was just thought that was like all good.
Speaker 1: Now you get arrested and like, you know, a federal
Speaker 1: officer takes you, you know, to some crazy bunker jail
Speaker 1: and an airport if you light a cig. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I'm still learning what. I still open every flight by
Speaker 1: asking the flight attendant if it's cool if I smoke
Speaker 1: in here just to I mean, I was on a
Speaker 1: plane recently, like it was an old m D ten
Speaker 1: and it had the fucking ash trays, like in the
Speaker 1: fucking still I think they still have the ashtrays, like
Speaker 1: they have all those non smoking signs, and then they
Speaker 1: like have one of the signs on an ashtray in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Right right, Well, you're send of those mixed
Speaker 1: messages here, yeah, right, cool. Well it's a really cool show.
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Speaker 1: you'll learn a lot and yeah, hopefully have your mind
Speaker 1: opened if it's not open already. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: some news. And we're back and so what's it. What's
Speaker 1: happening with the abortion drug? Oh? Man? So seeing headlines
Speaker 1: I haven't followed it. Gavin Newsom stockpiling you know drugs
Speaker 1: or we're here about Miffer pristone essentially being banned nationwide
Speaker 1: because a judge in Texas was, Yeah, I think I'm
Speaker 1: saying I agree with the anti choice activists that I
Speaker 1: talked to a lot, and I'm going to say that
Speaker 1: this was a bad FDA regulation. It was hastily approved,
Speaker 1: Therefore it is banned. This guy's court judge hasmeric is
Speaker 1: like where progress has come to die over the recent years.
Speaker 1: He has like this like lone court, like an Amarillo
Speaker 1: where it's like one of those places where if you
Speaker 1: are an act like a right wing activist, you want
Speaker 1: to go to this judge to get a decision that
Speaker 1: you could then appeal all the way up to the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. So like, you know, rolling back like rights
Speaker 1: for transgender workers only many workers in general, like the
Speaker 1: remain in Mexico, like immigration policy, he kept that in place.
Speaker 1: But the important thing to point out here is that
Speaker 1: the judge is just regurgitating again bunk Gass anti choice
Speaker 1: talking points, mainly the one about how pregnancy is not
Speaker 1: an illness or pregnancy is not a disease. Therefore this
Speaker 1: drug like this this subsection of FDA regulations to research
Speaker 1: illnesses or diseases. Oh now it's moot. Again, So, like
Speaker 1: all these anti choice people are saying that the FDA
Speaker 1: legally approved mifferpristone through an accelerated drug reviewal process known
Speaker 1: as Subpart H that only applies to quote new drugs
Speaker 1: for serious or life threatening illness. And again their logic,
Speaker 1: their sixth grade gotcha logic, is well, if pregnancy isn't
Speaker 1: an illness, then mifferpristone shouldn't have been approved at all.
Speaker 1: Clearly pregnancy can bring if you want to get that
Speaker 1: into it. It clearly can bring about illness like pre
Speaker 1: eclampsia or like postpartum depression, and a myriad of other
Speaker 1: complications that go along with yes, maybe the condition of
Speaker 1: being pregnant. But again, this is something that the FDA
Speaker 1: uses very fluidly because they're not being stupid about it.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, that's something that's going on with your
Speaker 1: health and would need to be addressed. Therefore we look
Speaker 1: at these drugs. But again, these hacks are using this
Speaker 1: like sixth grade logic to try and force like this
Speaker 1: very Christian in view of the sanctity and like the
Speaker 1: divinity of being pregnant and the only person that's buying
Speaker 1: it apparently is the judge, And naturally there's been all
Speaker 1: kinds of pushback on this ruling, which will again we'll
Speaker 1: probably end up in front of the Supreme Court. But
Speaker 1: one of the loudest voices has come from Big Pharma. Okay,
Speaker 1: feminist heroes, Big Pharma, go on, what's going on there?
Speaker 1: You see? The problem with their whole thing is people
Speaker 1: fucking around with how the FDA approves new drugs is
Speaker 1: vital to them their ability to make money. Okay, so
Speaker 1: when you go around tooling around with that shit, they
Speaker 1: don't take kindly to it. So that's why they're very
Speaker 1: concerned with developments. They've said that this kind of judicial
Speaker 1: interference quote creates uncertainty for the entire biopharma industry. Adding
Speaker 1: regulatory uncertainty to the already inherently risky work of discovering
Speaker 1: and developing new medicines will likely have the effect of
Speaker 1: reducing incentives for investment, endangering the innovation that characterizes our industry.
Speaker 1: And I just think there's a lot of irony here
Speaker 1: because the last couple of years, the pharmaceutical industry has
Speaker 1: shifted their adoration onto the GOP when they saw that
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was going into office, and there was the
Speaker 1: possibility of like a all three like like the whole
Speaker 1: thing being locked down by Biden, and they're like, they'd
Speaker 1: want to lower drug costs, so they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: give it to the Republicans. At least they know what
Speaker 1: to do about this kind of shit. But it's beginning
Speaker 1: to boomerang, and the fact that they didn't realize that
Speaker 1: these senators that they're making it rain on are just
Speaker 1: going around and then confirming judges who are so like
Speaker 1: anti choice that it's turning into yeah, well drugs are
Speaker 1: bad too, And now they're in a bit of a like, ah,
Speaker 1: then maybe we need to be more I guess it
Speaker 1: just we do our due diligence when we throw piles
Speaker 1: of cash at senators and political parties. I feel like
Speaker 1: they're they're going to be big fans of the No
Speaker 1: Labels party, you know pretty soon in the middle Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's just again like you know, without their money,
Speaker 1: and like in the midterms, who knows what would have
Speaker 1: happened in like twenty eighteen, if maybe the Senate balance
Speaker 1: could have changed even then. But they've been at it
Speaker 1: for a minute sort of seeing that like Okay, Democrats
Speaker 1: talk out loud about drug prices, and we don't like that.
Speaker 1: So even if they never get around to it, the
Speaker 1: better bet is the people who are never talking about
Speaker 1: or drug prices, at least with the same kind of
Speaker 1: energy that Democrats would on the campaign trail. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the whole genre of news story of people fucking
Speaker 1: around with the GOP and finding out that it's not great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: leopards ate my face. It's like the shorthand for that.
Speaker 1: They're like, what my pet? Leopard ate my face? No way? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what did you think? But again, like I think it
Speaker 1: goes to show how maybe before like even from the
Speaker 1: unthink like you know, they're not very analytical, like big
Speaker 1: pharma industry, not seeing how this would actually affect their
Speaker 1: business more so than just being like, well, a march
Speaker 1: to our beat and they're great corporate allies. We like
Speaker 1: that without seeing that the ideology itself is going after
Speaker 1: things like medical contraception and shit like that, right, and
Speaker 1: that is absolutely you know something that they're all like,
Speaker 1: we make a lot of cash on that because this
Speaker 1: is a very widely used drug. And so please don't
Speaker 1: be confused, they're not here, they're not they're not caping
Speaker 1: for this drug because they believe it's a person's choice.
Speaker 1: It's just that this this could fuck up business pretty
Speaker 1: bad for them, fuck up the money. But I don't again,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not also sure that this would fuck
Speaker 1: up the relationship between Big Farm and the Republicans either.
Speaker 1: I think they're just gonna be like, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: we got to talk before you guys confirm these people
Speaker 1: because we don't like this, We don't like what happened here.
Speaker 1: Put their boot on this guy some some behind the
Speaker 1: scenes in some way. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: Payne Lindsay, pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist? Yes,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 1: You follow the new show High Strange, wherever you get
Speaker 1: your podcasts, TikTok Instagram at high Strange and you can
Speaker 1: follow me TikTok Instagram at Paine Lindsay. Nice. And is
Speaker 1: there a tweet or work a media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: I so I picked this one that I'd saved recently.
Speaker 1: It's a Donald Glover's GQ cover video. They do like
Speaker 1: a little thirty second like video on Instagram of like
Speaker 1: a you know, I guess behind the scenes of his
Speaker 1: GQ shoot, he just looks so damn cool. Like he's
Speaker 1: walking around picking oranges, you know, lush green, you know,
Speaker 1: trees everywhere, like this dapper hipster farmer dude from the
Speaker 1: seventies with gold chains and sitting on a horse with
Speaker 1: no saddle. It's like, Damn, this guy's fucking cool. And
Speaker 1: so I've watched that a few times and tried to
Speaker 1: you know, life goals. You're got where to get my
Speaker 1: next outfit from? Yeah, you need you need a nice
Speaker 1: orange tie, you know what I mean. Like he's like
Speaker 1: he's rocking in that video. Miles, where can people find you?
Speaker 1: What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Uh? Find me on
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Find Jack and
Speaker 1: I talking about the NBA on our basketball podcast Miles
Speaker 1: and Jack got mat It's yeah, I bit my nails
Speaker 1: off during that Lakers game. And it's so funny because
Speaker 1: we were just talking on Mad Boost. He was like,
Speaker 1: I was going in full chest confidence even though the
Speaker 1: game hadn't been played. I'm like, it'll it'll be all right.
Speaker 1: I don't have to re record this. And I went
Speaker 1: on with my full chest, saying the Lakers never really
Speaker 1: seemed too when in the big games where you're like
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna beat these guys by thirty, that
Speaker 1: never seems to happen. No, they beat a Violet like
Speaker 1: six barely in overtime. But anyway, I find us there
Speaker 1: also find me. On four twenty Day Fiance was Sophia
Speaker 1: Alexandra and Uh, I don't. I don't have a tweet
Speaker 1: that I've I've I've not I've I've not crossed paths
Speaker 1: the tweets that I'm enjoying recently. So I'm I'm again
Speaker 1: abstaining from mentioning something I haven't. Haven't been doing my
Speaker 1: my putting in a shift on Twitter these days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of people are fleeing Twitter
Speaker 1: like it's not again, it's it's to do with like
Speaker 1: my kid being born and going like for fucking six
Speaker 1: weeks straight, or like Twitter was the blast thing on
Speaker 1: my fucking mind. Yeah, that like it kind of you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's sort of like what they say about
Speaker 1: like when you eat stuff, like your body wants what's
Speaker 1: in your blood? You know what I mean? Like that
Speaker 1: to you, so when I I don't know, like I
Speaker 1: just I guess I weaned off Twitter to the point
Speaker 1: where like I barely look at it now, but also
Speaker 1: I miss out on some of the funny tweets. But
Speaker 1: now I just look at this little boy smile. That's
Speaker 1: my tweet. You need to get your fucking priority straight man.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, unacceptable. I know, I know if
Speaker 1: my notifications are a mess right now, tweet, I've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: This is what you're missing out on my okay good.
Speaker 1: John Hendron at Fart tweeted imagining a reality where you
Speaker 1: get a little military pin every time you have insane
Speaker 1: diarrhea and then showing up to parties decorated like momar adopt,
Speaker 1: so like you could be experiencing that level of commentary that,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you would think I was fucking yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I would love to see what kind
Speaker 1: of ribbons you would have seen on my whole salad.
Speaker 1: Yeah right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack
Speaker 1: Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist.
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Speaker 1: where we post our episodes and our footnotes, so link
Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles,
Speaker 1: what's the song that you think people might enjoy? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: I just this valor just diarrhea based valor awards. I
Speaker 1: would be the Oddie Murphy of diarrhea based fucking you
Speaker 1: know awards effort from my World War two buttons. Someone
Speaker 1: with really good digestive health but they have stolen valor.
Speaker 1: They're like no, no, no, I yeah, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: be like, yo, this guy don't have diarrhea, and they're
Speaker 1: like boo, all right, Um, what's what's the song that
Speaker 1: I want to go out on? Uh? You know what?
Speaker 1: I was actually just I was listening to the police.
Speaker 1: Also unfortunately a cab does include the band of police
Speaker 1: these people. Yeah, um, but an official ruling, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think we know that. But man, I was
Speaker 1: just listening to Bring on the Night and Andy Summer's
Speaker 1: guitar playing in that is like it's hypnotic to me,
Speaker 1: Like it's one of those police songs. Yeah, people like it,
Speaker 1: but his like before it gets to the reggae part
Speaker 1: with the way he's fingerpicking. I love that Andy Summer
Speaker 1: is a fantastic guitar player. Stuart Copeland fantastic drummer and
Speaker 1: sing We already know he's getting five k a day
Speaker 1: from puff Daddy, but yeah, so I'm yeah, I'm taking
Speaker 1: it back, y'all. This is a Bring on the Night
Speaker 1: by the Police. Wow. All right, well wheel link off
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