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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eighty three,

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Speaker 1: Episode four of Dirt Daily Like Dice Day production of

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Speaker 1: My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into American share consciousness. And it is Thursday,

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Speaker 1: April thirteenth, twenty twenty three. I guess we're Does that

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Speaker 1: mean we're one month away from a Friday the thirteenth? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess well, no, not the way. Uh, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how twenty eight day. It's got to be a

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Speaker 1: twenty eight days to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now, so

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Speaker 1: it's also a National Scrabbled Day and yay morinca nears day. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I remember that when we we're talking about that one fine,

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Speaker 1: that seems like two weeks ago. Yeah, I know. My

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Speaker 1: name's Jack O'Brien. Ak. No, we don't want labels. Labels

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Speaker 1: are for guys who will not get our money. Hanging

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Speaker 1: with my boy poll Pot on the super Yeah doesn't

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Speaker 1: make us not cease. Don't you write mean words words

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Speaker 1: of a certain type of adjective, Tea. Just because Thomas

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Speaker 1: got flied on Harlan Crow's ride doesn't mean conspiracy. That

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Speaker 1: is courtesy of risk No Scrow code from the Discord

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Speaker 1: shout out to the people No Labels party having the

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Speaker 1: balls to just go full fuck boy on it. We

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Speaker 1: don't want labels. Yeah, leave us through. I'm thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined as always buy my co host, mister Miles

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Speaker 1: Gron Clarence Clarence Thomas. We got a thing going on,

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Speaker 1: but it's much too strong to recuse yourself. Now that's

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Speaker 1: Billy Paul's me and Missus Jones. Just we gotta keep

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Speaker 1: up the Clarence Thomas Harlan Crow stuff. Because the Atlantic

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Speaker 1: Wow came through and was like nothing. What I told

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Speaker 1: him If everybody who has a signed copy of mine

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Speaker 1: hemph is a Nazi, then I mean, what's it going

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Speaker 1: to happen? Then? What I mean? Next? I like how

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Speaker 1: that there's this This piece ended with being like, look,

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Speaker 1: I have friends and they know my heart and they

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Speaker 1: know I'm not racist. Was the take. And they're like,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't know Harlan crowe don't start casting

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Speaker 1: aspersions just because he's really into Nazi stuff. Okay. The

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Speaker 1: person started off the defense of Harlan crowbing like I've

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Speaker 1: been to his house and had cocktails and canopeys. I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, so you're a trustworthy, non biased source. Oh,

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Speaker 1: of course, of course, anyway, you don't know him. You

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Speaker 1: know that at Land article is definitely worth a read

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Speaker 1: by it. Yeah, we'll grade, We'll have to talk about

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Speaker 1: it probably, Yeah, eventually continue to defend this Miles. Yes,

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Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined in our third seats

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Speaker 1: Yeah by a director, documentary filmmaker, and podcast host whose

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Speaker 1: new podcast, High Strange Yes is a fascinating exploration of

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite topics on this show when it

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Speaker 1: drifts through the national share conscious aliens. He's also the

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Speaker 1: co creator and host of the hit investigative journalist and

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Speaker 1: true crime podcasts Up and Vanished and Atlanta Monster. Please welcome, penguins, guys.

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Speaker 1: What's welcome? Welcome, Hey, how's it going? Yeah, I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: How you guys doing. We're doing all right. We had

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Speaker 1: a little hiss on the line as we were starting this,

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Speaker 1: and we assumed it had something to do with your

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Speaker 1: appearance outside of area fifty one. And yeah, these days,

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Speaker 1: you know, my phones are probably tapped at this point,

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Speaker 1: so you guys might be a victim as well. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry about I'm already probably on a watch list for

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Speaker 1: the amount of stuff I download on bit Torrent. So

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Speaker 1: right when you were like in eighth grade? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes ago. Yeah, I don't have showtime, but

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Speaker 1: I gotta watch Yellow Jackets. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: You're on a watch list for people who like Hallmark

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Speaker 1: Christmas movies just a little bit too much. Yeah, something weird.

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Speaker 1: We just you reading those. It's not really like we're

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Speaker 1: worried that he's gonna do something. We're just fascinated. How

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Speaker 1: a serial killer. We should probably yeah into this. He's

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Speaker 1: created a new profile. Were you were you coming to

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Speaker 1: us from pain? I'm in Atlanta? How about you? La la? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I love the I love the recording booth. You're in

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Speaker 1: actually in my house. This is like a small little

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Speaker 1: without you know, having to set up a closet anymore. Right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: right now? I love that. Love that awesome. Well, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to know you a little bit better. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about aliens with you in our second act.

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Speaker 1: Get your overrated underrated and all that in a moment. First,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about today beyond high

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Speaker 1: strange your podcast and just talking about your experience going

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Speaker 1: from alien skepticis and you know, UFO skepticism to at

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Speaker 1: least thinking it's something worth exploring. We're gonna talk big

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Speaker 1: possibly all sorts of shit. But before we get to

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Speaker 1: any of the pain, Yeah, what is something from your

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Speaker 1: search history? Okay? Yeah, So right before I was like,

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Speaker 1: kind of funny. My last search was bad Gerard Butler

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Speaker 1: road rage movie m I was, I guess I was

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Speaker 1: we saw a trailer for a new Gerard Butler movie

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Speaker 1: and I was like, man, you know, he's a talented actor,

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Speaker 1: last like three or four years. And this came out.

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Speaker 1: So it's called Unhinged and it's okay, or yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: comically bad. This is a whole subgenre of movies, this

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Speaker 1: road rage movies, right, Like, isn't there a Russell Crowe one?

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Speaker 1: Or is that the same? Got it? Okay? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you take the balls to put Russell Crowe and

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Speaker 1: Gerard Butler in the same movie, so I get confused. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's like a Bill Pullman Bill

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Speaker 1: it's similar. It's funny how Google didn't even correct it.

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Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, here you mean this. That's hilrious

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Speaker 1: it's like that. And there's a new road rage prestige

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Speaker 1: TV beef that is I'm hearing good things about. So

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Speaker 1: I guess I guess Unhinged as the main road rage movie,

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Speaker 1: but wasn't there one with maybe Samuel L. Jackson and

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Speaker 1: Unhinged and looked a lot alike. Hold on, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: you know, like when you missmelled something, it's like showing

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Speaker 1: you search results instead for this word that you missmelled. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is amazing, Yeah, because they are. Yeah. When I

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Speaker 1: through all the information that you synthesize, slowly, Russell Crowe

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Speaker 1: That's a Lanes, that's a that's a Ben Affleck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But it follows a successful young Wall Street lawyer Affleck

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Speaker 1: and things get ugly. So who's the way who's the

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Speaker 1: but yeah, interesting, interesting subgenre. The kind of seems to

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Speaker 1: people are saying. Have you guys heard about beef? My

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Speaker 1: mom loves it entirely in one day on site. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you seem like you have some a road rage

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Speaker 1: movie interest. You're a connoisseur of this. You gotta go

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Speaker 1: check out Changing lanes Man. Yeah, let us know who.

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Speaker 1: The bad guy does not scare me in the slightest.

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Speaker 1: It's like, but Beef is really good. It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: yesterday and she's like, have you seen Beef? And I

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Speaker 1: stressful figure it out. Yeah, exactly, And that's that is

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Speaker 1: more important media event is happening, if they said, was

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Speaker 1: their preference. So you're welcome. But how about them Lakers,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, we're gonna trying to kill us? They

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Speaker 1: they almost they almost did. I was. I was also

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Speaker 1: texting Sophie and prop to like on a separate thread

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Speaker 1: because we're all like toxic Laker fans together and we

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Speaker 1: couldn't we couldn't believe what we were saying. Anyway, more

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Speaker 1: how their ability to win like by any means necessary,

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Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. It could just be a stressful

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Speaker 1: that last night, Yeah, yeah, he did. What is something

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Speaker 1: you think is overrated? I think that in and Out

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Speaker 1: is extremely overrated. It's the second time this fucking week

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Speaker 1: is you know it's okay, like it's it's okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, as an adult, I've invested in some nicer

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Speaker 1: it's stuck in my brain. I also found a way

421
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: to just be like, yeah, but it's probably bullshit, but

422
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: it's always stuck there is like kind of I don't know, Paint,

423
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear about your experience, because like my

424
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: personal experience was going from aliens being the news story

425
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: that exists on the checkout rack at the grocery store,

426
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: and you i think even specifically mentioned that, and in

427
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: the chew you saw those tabloids and You're like, yeah, yeah,

428
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: that seems crazy. And then change like now I am

429
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: someone who's fully just anything that seems, you know, trustworthy,

430
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm diving in. I want I want to get all

431
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: the details I can because of like all the things

432
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: that have been declassified, and but alien abductions have remained

433
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: a thing where I'm like, well, that just like doesn't

434
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: seem to fit for me, Like it seems I don't know,

435
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: there's so many of them too, that it seems like

436
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: one of the things I've just relegated too. All Right,

437
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: maybe more on that later once we have more information

438
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: on the UAP, the unidentified aerial phenomenon. But what was

439
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: your journey like going from that grocery store checkout rack

440
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: to like now being doing an entire investigative podcast into

441
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: the phenomenon. I mean, as a kid, I just always

442
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: thought this was a fun topic, just the idea of,

443
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't it be cool if they were real

444
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: or we're not alone? Just you know, that was a

445
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 1: fun thought to think about. But you know, as an

446
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: adult making an investigative podcast about this topic. As you said,

447
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: like the last couple of years, the conversations kind of

448
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: shifted a little bit with some big news stories about

449
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: navy pilots seeing things in the sky and kind of

450
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: just I took more of like an analytical approach to

451
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: the whole thing and really try to, I guess, shake

452
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: it all down and find what little nuggets of truth

453
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: existed for real. And with the whole alien abduction thing,

454
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: I think that you know, most of those stories probably

455
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: aren't literally alien abductions. There's so many other things like

456
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: fleet paralysis and stuff like that that could you know,

457
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: you could rationally explain a lot of stuff. But if

458
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: you think that there is life on other planets or

459
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: somewhere else in the universe, and they can come here

460
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: to Earth from places so far away that we can't

461
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: see them with our most advanced telescopes, that it's not

462
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be impossible for them to do that, right,

463
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: and to get away with it right and out of

464
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: the I mean, they're gone see it like you, We're

465
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: not gonna chase you to where you came from, right, Yeah,

466
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it's just a little bit more mind bending

467
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I don't know about that because

468
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: it's it's because it sounds like Fire in the Sky,

469
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: which is a you know, an alien movie that's you know,

470
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: basic true story, but is it did it really happen?

471
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: And so the Hollywood part of it's kind of like

472
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: stigmatize the idea of a lot of this stuff. And

473
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: there's not anything I think unless you experience something yourself,

474
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: you may not be convinced ever of anything. Yeah, and

475
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: you and review the person who the story Fire in

476
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: the Sky is like based on his experience, and he's

477
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: still got the same story, still tells a beat for

478
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: beat the same way. It just sounds like a very

479
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: exhausted person who's like, I really wish this hadn't happened

480
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, Like here's I'll tell you again, man,

481
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: this is exactly what I experienced. And but yeah, I mean,

482
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: just taking it away from abductions, like pilots are the

483
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: ones who get me. I don't know what it is about.

484
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: It just seems like there's so many pilots who have

485
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: seen weird shit in the sky. And you talk about

486
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: this French report with like scientists and generals and a

487
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: lot of pilots and just like things that they have

488
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: known for years, and I don't know. There's that documentary

489
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: I think it's called The Phenomenon, and they really lean

490
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: on pilot testimony, and these are pilots who fought in

491
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: World War Two who went on to like be some

492
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: of the first astronauts to go into space in the US,

493
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, I saw a flying saucer and

494
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: like tried to chase it and then it just like

495
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: accelerated with no visible sense of propulsion and flew away.

496
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: And they're just like, yeah, I don't know, I don't

497
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: want this to be true. It kind of fucks up

498
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: my credibility, but this is what I saw. And then

499
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: of course the Nimits, the tic Tac story of the Nimits,

500
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: which is the aircraft carrier off of the coast of

501
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: San Diego that was just being kind of stalked by

502
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of those these tic TACs, and the sixty

503
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: Minutes actually talked to some of the eyewitnesses. Right, yep,

504
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: that's a compelling case, would you say, like, because I know,

505
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: like to Jack's point, I feel the same way. Like

506
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: the pilots are the ones I'm like, well, those are

507
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: the people who are most consistently saying like, I'm I've

508
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: not seen anything like this before, and I'm flying around

509
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: the sky all the time, and I'm very familiar with

510
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: like flying aircraft or propulsion systems to the point that

511
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm baffled. Are they sort of like do you see

512
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: them as sort of like the sort of primary or

513
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: the first people that begin to interact with it in

514
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: the most believable way, or like, how do you sort

515
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: of process the testimony of like pilots or other people

516
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: who have like they're saying they see it firsthand outside

517
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: of like a fire in the skytype situation. I mean,

518
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: I think the most compelling case that we could get

519
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three right now would be a pilot flying,

520
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, some of our most advanced aircraft, which would

521
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: be some of the most advanced in the world, seeing

522
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 1: something in the sky that their trained eyes don't know

523
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 1: what it is, right and they can pick it up

524
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: on radar and they can see it. And that shouldn't

525
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: be there at all, Like no country should have anything

526
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: that we don't know how to do. And I don't

527
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: think that's even really possible. I'd be a blunder if

528
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, in the past fifty years, China has advanced

529
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: us by like two hundred years two thousand, lashed us

530
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: multiple centuries. What a failed mission on us trying to

531
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: keep up with the Joneses over here, Like right, wouldn't

532
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: that be such a such a uniquely American blunder too,

533
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: for the amount of money poured into defense and like

534
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: they figured out like space shit already. But yeah, sorry,

535
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: go on, but yeah, I think those are the most

536
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: compelling cases because these people are trained, they know what

537
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: they're talking about, and for them to be shocked by

538
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: anything in our airspace, you know, you tend to want

539
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 1: to listen to what they're saying and believe them. And

540
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: also they don't really have any good motivations for making

541
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: it up because they're you know, they kind of lose

542
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: a little bit of credibility or at least they had

543
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: in the past bringing this up at all, and so

544
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: so a lot of people didn't bring it up, right, Yeah,

545
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean, so the Nimitz is the one that made

546
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: it to sixty minutes. They actually interviewed to naval aviators

547
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: who were in the same plane and like came into

548
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: like visual contact with one of these tic TACs that

549
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: was like kind of hovering over the ocean and like

550
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: making the ocean froth underneath it, or like it was

551
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: like coming off of something that was just below the

552
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: surface and then it kind of circled their aircraft and

553
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: then just like shot off and at a speed that

554
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: makes no sense given what we think we know about physics.

555
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: That I think a lot of people came away from

556
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: that sixty minutes one. Yeah, I think that entered our

557
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: consciousness more than you know anything that has come before it,

558
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: because sixty minutes is a pretty trusted, trusted name in news.

559
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: But you you told the Nimitz story. You talked about

560
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: some things that I know about it, like that it

561
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: was multiple days. I think maybe sixty minutes covered this,

562
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: but I just like hadn't fully it hadn't stuck in

563
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: my brain, but that it was multiple days where these

564
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: tic TACs were like stalking them, and then like they

565
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: would be going to a place and the tic TACs

566
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: would already be there, so like they knew where they

567
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: were going, which is really kind of spooking interesting from

568
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: rendezvous point, which was secret information almost like they were

569
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: just like twining with them or something. Yeah, I mean

570
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: speaking of secret information. So that's another thing that comes

571
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: up multiple times in the first few episodes of your show,

572
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: is like the reason for keeping it secret? And there's

573
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: an interesting point that's made a couple times. But if

574
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: people that I think throughout the twentieth century, we assumed

575
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: they were keeping it secret out of knowledge, like they

576
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: were like, we have this knowledge and we're keeping it

577
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: a secret because we don't think you can handle it.

578
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: And I forget who it was. But somebody speculates that

579
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: like they were actually keeping a secret out of ignorance,

580
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: like they are like yeah, yeah, but on the nose

581
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: with that, I think that's that's the biggest misconception, is

582
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: that you know, government secrecy, they're hiding it from us.

583
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: They're hiding the fact that they don't know what this

584
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: shit is, right, They're hiding the fact that they've seen

585
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: the thing and I can't explain it. They know a

586
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: little bit. They don't want to come out and say, hey, guys,

587
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: we don't know what this is. Sorry, that would scare people,

588
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: or some people that would scare So I my other

589
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: thought is like for the reason for keeping it secret,

590
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: And this actually occurred to me most in that interviews

591
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: that happened around that South African school where the children

592
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: all saw the same thing, and it had been kind

593
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: of I forget when it was. But this documentary the

594
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: phenomenon goes back and like interviews the children as you

595
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: know now young adults and there like, yeah, we saw

596
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: what we saw. But the thing that had been left

597
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: out of the story at the time was that there

598
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: was also a teacher who could corroborate what they saw.

599
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: So like it got explained away as like children making

600
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: up stories, but there's a teacher who could corroborate it.

601
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: And the military came in and we're basically like, we will,

602
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: we will make it seem like you were drinking on

603
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: the job if you kind of continue and follow through

604
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: with this corroboration. Like that got me think about, like

605
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: what the motivation is for the military to actively try

606
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: to keep this secret, and it I think it has

607
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: to go back to, at least partially to the fact

608
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: that we for up to this point, like from World

609
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: War Two up to this point, have like existed in

610
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: this paradigm of like it's called the realist school and

611
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: international relations, but it's this idea that whoever has the

612
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: most military power is going to use it to take

613
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: shit and you know harm whoever is threatening them or

614
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: like isn't threatening them, but like it's just basically like

615
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: kill or be killed, and whoever has the most power

616
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: will do with that power whatever they want. And like

617
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: the fact that there have been these aliens or you

618
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: know whatever these are around with technology that has like

619
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: lapped us by centuries and they haven't like attacked us

620
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: or like done it tried to take our resources like

621
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: makes me think that it also like there's something powerfully

622
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: undermining about the whole like military industrial complex, Like what

623
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: the philosophy that that whole military industrial complex rests on

624
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: that they don't want out there the idea that like

625
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: a more advanced, more technologically advanced civilization wouldn't treat you

626
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: like that, would just kind of sit there and chill

627
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: and not try and take over your country. That's a

628
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, I think it's more of like a

629
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, let me see that. I don't

630
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: like if there's like a crazy case that happens and

631
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: they descend on it, they're gonna tell that guy that,

632
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna say that you were drinking on

633
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: the job. If you keep talking about this because they're like,

634
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: give it over here. We want to see it first

635
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: and figure out what it is ourselves and then determine

636
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: what we should do with this, you know, yeah, just

637
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: out of like maybe even some good intentions in there,

638
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: but trying to figure out what's going on so that

639
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: they can have an answer for anybody or anything, hopefully

640
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, eventually delivering a message that's actually makes sense

641
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: of anything. I think that there's just been too many

642
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: mixed pieces over the years that don't fully connect to

643
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: each other. And I'm sure people have done with information

644
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: that was important because of the taboo of everything. And yeah,

645
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: I think the fear of aliens coming to earth and

646
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: harming us as a silly one because we're assuming that

647
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: we're so important that they would need to do that.

648
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: I think that if you become that advanced, like I

649
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: did an analogy and like later in the series about

650
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: how we're just like a little ant hill in the forest,

651
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: and how often do you go walk in the forest

652
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: and talk to an ant hill. You don't care about it.

653
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: You're not gonna step on it, you're not gonna ruin it,

654
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: unless you're an asshole. You're just gonna kind of let

655
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: it be there. You're just gonna here they are, there's

656
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: a little queen or whatever, and yeah, that's it. You

657
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: might send some scientists to study it, but sure exactly. Yeah,

658
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: were to be like, we gotta kick that shit over.

659
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: That's kind of the idea that it's funny you have

660
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of quotes from presidents in a row, and

661
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: like Carter, actually, Jimmy Carter had an experience with the

662
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 1: UFO where he like saw some lights in the sky

663
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: and he's like, I could never fully explain it. Obama

664
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, talking about how there are

665
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: things that we've seen in the sky that we can't

666
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: fully explain. And then Reagan was like talking about it

667
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: as a threat that could like bring everybody together, and

668
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: like that that's the dangerous idea that I could see

669
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: the American military industrial complex eventually seizing on too, is

670
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: that we need to really step up the funding to

671
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: our military more than you know, it's already like such

672
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: a massive portion of the revenue and just everything that

673
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: happens and in the country for the paste hundred years.

674
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: But like he was marveling at it as like, God,

675
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: could you imagine if we all got to fight a

676
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: war with a threat from aliens? Yeah? Yeah, which did

677
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: he die before Independence Day came out? I don't like,

678
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: maybe just barely. Yeah, he's like God only could have

679
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: been there for that. Yeah, I mean, what do you think?

680
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean? Because I feel like when the overarching thing

681
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: when talking about like UAPs and like these tic TACs

682
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: and things like that, there's people who I think, like us,

683
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: like Jack and I were were like that's fucking interesting,

684
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: and I like that this is something we don't know

685
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: about and we're trying to understand. Then, Like I've like

686
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: even like people like who I'm friends with and I've

687
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: talked to who are like into science and stuff. When

688
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: I've talked about it, They're like, I don't know, man,

689
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: it's probably some bullshit anyway, Like, and some people are

690
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: really they really want to maybe preserve this like sense

691
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: that like we know everything already, yeah, but we're what

692
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: do you sort of feel like this sort of forces

693
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: at play? Are you know, at work when like discussing

694
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: these things. Because you're you know you are You're you're

695
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: intuitive person, you are interested by it, you begin investigating

696
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: while other people might say there's nothing, it's not even

697
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: worth looking at what like where do where? Like I

698
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: guess sidally, where are we going to? What can we

699
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: move towards where it maybe is easier to just say

700
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: that is worth talking about. Doesn't necessarily have to mean

701
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: that the fucking aliens are coming just like the movies,

702
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: but like, but shit like we might have to humble

703
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: ourselves as human beings to say, yeah, there's there's something

704
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: we don't fucking know. I think, I mean, one, not

705
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: everyone is extremely open minded. I think we've figured that

706
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: out right. I think for a lot of people it

707
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: doesn't fit very well into their belief systems or you know,

708
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: they understand their life and the world in this way.

709
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: And this would put a real big cog in that

710
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: if you had to factor in that, hey, there's also

711
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: like a thousand other life forms out there that are

712
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: more advanced than us that that just exists. Nothing changes here,

713
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: but that that's a thing that's real. And I think

714
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: that at this point legitimately supports the idea of extra

715
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: trust real life. The universe is too big, the combination

716
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: of things that had to happen in our solar system

717
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: for Earth to flourish, that has to have happened somewhere else.

718
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: It would be more of an anomaly if we were

719
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: the only ones that could, assuming that there's not a

720
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: life form that doesn't need the exact things we need

721
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: to survive. I think for some people it's easier to

722
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: dismiss it because it's not they're not comfortable thinking about it.

723
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: They're not gonna say they're not gonna come out right

724
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: and say that. But I think there's a little bit

725
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: of fear there. But there's a there's a healthier conversation

726
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: to be had about the possibility of us not being

727
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: alone in that being more likely than not. And it

728
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't scare you that much. And I think that if

729
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: you're being closed minded about it and assuming that we

730
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: know everything already, I mean, shit, we used to smoke

731
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: cigarettes on airplanes, like not that long ago. Like I'm

732
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: pretty sure we're still flying in some of those planes.

733
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was just thought that was like all good.

734
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Now you get arrested and like, you know, a federal

735
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: officer takes you, you know, to some crazy bunker jail

736
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: and an airport if you light a cig. Yeah right,

737
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm still learning what. I still open every flight by

738
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: asking the flight attendant if it's cool if I smoke

739
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: in here just to I mean, I was on a

740
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: plane recently, like it was an old m D ten

741
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: and it had the fucking ash trays, like in the

742
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: fucking still I think they still have the ashtrays, like

743
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: they have all those non smoking signs, and then they

744
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: like have one of the signs on an ashtray in

745
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Right right, Well, you're send of those mixed

746
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: messages here, yeah, right, cool. Well it's a really cool show.

747
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: It's called High Strange. Everybody should go check it out.

748
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: Three of the three episodes are out. Eight of them

749
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: are out on a tenderfoot plus on Apple podcasts that

750
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: it's is it eight or ten episodes? How many? It's

751
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: eight eight episodes? Yeah, So go check it out. It's

752
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: you'll learn a lot and yeah, hopefully have your mind

753
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: opened if it's not open already. All right, let's take

754
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk about

755
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: some news. And we're back and so what's it. What's

756
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: happening with the abortion drug? Oh? Man? So seeing headlines

757
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: I haven't followed it. Gavin Newsom stockpiling you know drugs

758
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: or we're here about Miffer pristone essentially being banned nationwide

759
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: because a judge in Texas was, Yeah, I think I'm

760
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: saying I agree with the anti choice activists that I

761
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: talked to a lot, and I'm going to say that

762
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: this was a bad FDA regulation. It was hastily approved,

763
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: Therefore it is banned. This guy's court judge hasmeric is

764
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: like where progress has come to die over the recent years.

765
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: He has like this like lone court, like an Amarillo

766
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: where it's like one of those places where if you

767
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: are an act like a right wing activist, you want

768
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: to go to this judge to get a decision that

769
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: you could then appeal all the way up to the

770
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. So like, you know, rolling back like rights

771
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: for transgender workers only many workers in general, like the

772
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: remain in Mexico, like immigration policy, he kept that in place.

773
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: But the important thing to point out here is that

774
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the judge is just regurgitating again bunk Gass anti choice

775
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: talking points, mainly the one about how pregnancy is not

776
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: an illness or pregnancy is not a disease. Therefore this

777
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: drug like this this subsection of FDA regulations to research

778
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: illnesses or diseases. Oh now it's moot. Again, So, like

779
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: all these anti choice people are saying that the FDA

780
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: legally approved mifferpristone through an accelerated drug reviewal process known

781
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: as Subpart H that only applies to quote new drugs

782
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: for serious or life threatening illness. And again their logic,

783
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: their sixth grade gotcha logic, is well, if pregnancy isn't

784
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: an illness, then mifferpristone shouldn't have been approved at all.

785
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: Clearly pregnancy can bring if you want to get that

786
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: into it. It clearly can bring about illness like pre

787
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: eclampsia or like postpartum depression, and a myriad of other

788
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: complications that go along with yes, maybe the condition of

789
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: being pregnant. But again, this is something that the FDA

790
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: uses very fluidly because they're not being stupid about it.

791
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, that's something that's going on with your

792
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: health and would need to be addressed. Therefore we look

793
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: at these drugs. But again, these hacks are using this

794
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: like sixth grade logic to try and force like this

795
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: very Christian in view of the sanctity and like the

796
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: divinity of being pregnant and the only person that's buying

797
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: it apparently is the judge, And naturally there's been all

798
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: kinds of pushback on this ruling, which will again we'll

799
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: probably end up in front of the Supreme Court. But

800
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: one of the loudest voices has come from Big Pharma. Okay,

801
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: feminist heroes, Big Pharma, go on, what's going on there?

802
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: You see? The problem with their whole thing is people

803
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: fucking around with how the FDA approves new drugs is

804
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: vital to them their ability to make money. Okay, so

805
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: when you go around tooling around with that shit, they

806
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: don't take kindly to it. So that's why they're very

807
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: concerned with developments. They've said that this kind of judicial

808
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: interference quote creates uncertainty for the entire biopharma industry. Adding

809
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: regulatory uncertainty to the already inherently risky work of discovering

810
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: and developing new medicines will likely have the effect of

811
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: reducing incentives for investment, endangering the innovation that characterizes our industry.

812
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: And I just think there's a lot of irony here

813
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: because the last couple of years, the pharmaceutical industry has

814
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: shifted their adoration onto the GOP when they saw that

815
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was going into office, and there was the

816
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: possibility of like a all three like like the whole

817
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: thing being locked down by Biden, and they're like, they'd

818
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: want to lower drug costs, so they're like, all right,

819
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: give it to the Republicans. At least they know what

820
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: to do about this kind of shit. But it's beginning

821
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: to boomerang, and the fact that they didn't realize that

822
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: these senators that they're making it rain on are just

823
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: going around and then confirming judges who are so like

824
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: anti choice that it's turning into yeah, well drugs are

825
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: bad too, And now they're in a bit of a like, ah,

826
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: then maybe we need to be more I guess it

827
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: just we do our due diligence when we throw piles

828
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: of cash at senators and political parties. I feel like

829
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: they're they're going to be big fans of the No

830
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: Labels party, you know pretty soon in the middle Yeah,

831
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's just again like you know, without their money,

832
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: and like in the midterms, who knows what would have

833
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: happened in like twenty eighteen, if maybe the Senate balance

834
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: could have changed even then. But they've been at it

835
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: for a minute sort of seeing that like Okay, Democrats

836
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: talk out loud about drug prices, and we don't like that.

837
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: So even if they never get around to it, the

838
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: better bet is the people who are never talking about

839
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: or drug prices, at least with the same kind of

840
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: energy that Democrats would on the campaign trail. Yeah, this

841
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: is the whole genre of news story of people fucking

842
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: around with the GOP and finding out that it's not great. Yeah,

843
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: leopards ate my face. It's like the shorthand for that.

844
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: They're like, what my pet? Leopard ate my face? No way? Yeah,

845
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: what did you think? But again, like I think it

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Speaker 1: business more so than just being like, well, a march

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Speaker 1: to our beat and they're great corporate allies. We like

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Speaker 1: that without seeing that the ideology itself is going after

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Speaker 1: things like medical contraception and shit like that, right, and

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Speaker 1: that is absolutely you know something that they're all like,

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Speaker 1: we make a lot of cash on that because this

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Speaker 1: be confused, they're not here, they're not they're not caping

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Speaker 1: It's just that this this could fuck up business pretty

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Speaker 1: bad for them, fuck up the money. But I don't again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not also sure that this would fuck

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Speaker 1: I think they're just gonna be like, hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: we got to talk before you guys confirm these people

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Speaker 1: Put their boot on this guy some some behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes in some way. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, all right, Well,

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Speaker 1: Payne Lindsay, pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist? Yes,

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Speaker 1: where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?

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Speaker 1: You follow the new show High Strange, wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts, TikTok Instagram at high Strange and you can

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Speaker 1: follow me TikTok Instagram at Paine Lindsay. Nice. And is

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Speaker 1: there a tweet or work a media that you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 1: I so I picked this one that I'd saved recently.

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Speaker 1: It's a Donald Glover's GQ cover video. They do like

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Speaker 1: GQ shoot, he just looks so damn cool. Like he's

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Speaker 1: walking around picking oranges, you know, lush green, you know,

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Speaker 1: seventies with gold chains and sitting on a horse with

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Speaker 1: so I've watched that a few times and tried to

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Speaker 1: you know, life goals. You're got where to get my

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Speaker 1: next outfit from? Yeah, you need you need a nice

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Speaker 1: orange tie, you know what I mean. Like he's like

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Speaker 1: he's rocking in that video. Miles, where can people find you?

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Speaker 1: What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Uh? Find me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Find Jack and

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Speaker 1: I talking about the NBA on our basketball podcast Miles

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Speaker 1: and Jack got mat It's yeah, I bit my nails

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Speaker 1: off during that Lakers game. And it's so funny because

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Speaker 1: we were just talking on Mad Boost. He was like,

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Speaker 1: I was going in full chest confidence even though the

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Speaker 1: game hadn't been played. I'm like, it'll it'll be all right.

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Speaker 1: on with my full chest, saying the Lakers never really

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Speaker 1: seemed too when in the big games where you're like

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Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna beat these guys by thirty, that

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Speaker 1: never seems to happen. No, they beat a Violet like

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Speaker 1: six barely in overtime. But anyway, I find us there

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Speaker 1: also find me. On four twenty Day Fiance was Sophia

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Speaker 1: Alexandra and Uh, I don't. I don't have a tweet

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Speaker 1: that I've I've I've not I've I've not crossed paths

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Speaker 1: the tweets that I'm enjoying recently. So I'm I'm again

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Speaker 1: abstaining from mentioning something I haven't. Haven't been doing my

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Speaker 1: my putting in a shift on Twitter these days. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of people are fleeing Twitter

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Speaker 1: like it's not again, it's it's to do with like

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Speaker 1: my kid being born and going like for fucking six

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Speaker 1: my fucking mind. Yeah, that like it kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like it's sort of like what they say about

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Speaker 1: like when you eat stuff, like your body wants what's

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Speaker 1: in your blood? You know what I mean? Like that

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Speaker 1: to you, so when I I don't know, like I

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Speaker 1: I miss out on some of the funny tweets. But

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Speaker 1: now I just look at this little boy smile. That's

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Speaker 1: my tweet. You need to get your fucking priority straight man.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, unacceptable. I know, I know if

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Speaker 1: my notifications are a mess right now, tweet, I've been enjoying.

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Speaker 1: This is what you're missing out on my okay good.

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Speaker 1: John Hendron at Fart tweeted imagining a reality where you

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Speaker 1: get a little military pin every time you have insane

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Speaker 1: diarrhea and then showing up to parties decorated like momar adopt,

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Speaker 1: so like you could be experiencing that level of commentary that,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, you would think I was fucking yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I would love to see what kind

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Speaker 1: of ribbons you would have seen on my whole salad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack

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Speaker 1: Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, we have a

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Speaker 1: Facebook fan page and a website, Daily Zeitgeist Dot com

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Speaker 1: where we post our episodes and our footnotes, so link

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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as a song we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles,

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Speaker 1: what's the song that you think people might enjoy? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 1: I just this valor just diarrhea based valor awards. I

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Speaker 1: would be the Oddie Murphy of diarrhea based fucking you

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Speaker 1: know awards effort from my World War two buttons. Someone

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Speaker 1: with really good digestive health but they have stolen valor.

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Speaker 1: They're like no, no, no, I yeah, yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: be like, yo, this guy don't have diarrhea, and they're

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Speaker 1: like boo, all right, Um, what's what's the song that

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Speaker 1: I want to go out on? Uh? You know what?

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Speaker 1: I was actually just I was listening to the police.

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Speaker 1: Also unfortunately a cab does include the band of police

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Speaker 1: these people. Yeah, um, but an official ruling, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think I think we know that. But man, I was

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Speaker 1: just listening to Bring on the Night and Andy Summer's

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Speaker 1: guitar playing in that is like it's hypnotic to me,

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Speaker 1: Like it's one of those police songs. Yeah, people like it,

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Speaker 1: but his like before it gets to the reggae part

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Speaker 1: with the way he's fingerpicking. I love that Andy Summer

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Speaker 1: is a fantastic guitar player. Stuart Copeland fantastic drummer and

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Speaker 1: sing We already know he's getting five k a day

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Speaker 1: from puff Daddy, but yeah, so I'm yeah, I'm taking

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Speaker 1: it back, y'all. This is a Bring on the Night

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Speaker 1: by the Police. Wow. All right, well wheel link off

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Speaker 1: to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zai Guys is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it

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Speaker 1: for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you

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Speaker 1: what's trending, and we'll talk to you all to bye

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Speaker 1: bye