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Speaker 2: be all right, Richie. So here we are on this Sunday. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I open up. I already talking about Saturday. I was

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Speaker 2: a little reminded because Bucky Brooks was Citty in today

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Speaker 2: for Mike Harmon City in with Dan and we had

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Speaker 2: some heated discussion. We had a lot to talk about today,

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Speaker 2: some really wacky stories in the world of sports. But

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Speaker 2: last night was a landmark evening for the two of us. Oh,

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Speaker 2: because with all the years and we have broadcasted together,

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Speaker 2: you had never actually ventured from San Diego to my

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Speaker 2: home in Westlake Village. But last night was the night

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Speaker 2: your beautiful wife Anne and Denise and I the interesting

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Speaker 2: X couple. We all want to dinner. It Can I

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Speaker 2: just say something before you say anything? Because I mentioned

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Speaker 2: this to Isaac Lorncron earlier. So the four of us

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Speaker 2: did a lot of talking, both at dinner and at

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Speaker 2: the house after dinner, and I ventured to say that

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Speaker 2: really you and Denise dominated. But I dare say even

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Speaker 2: Anne had more to say during the course of the

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Speaker 2: evening than I did. Now would that be accurate?

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Speaker 3: Would you think it's funny you mentioned that I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't thought of it the entire time, that you

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Speaker 3: weren't speaking that much. But yeah, now that you mentioned it,

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Speaker 3: you weren't quiet certainly told a couple of good stories. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But but Denise, let me tell you something that you

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Speaker 3: two that's a matched pair because because man can she

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Speaker 3: can talk too. She's a talker. She's a talker, which

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Speaker 2: This is why we're no longer married, because I hate

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Speaker 2: to be interrupted. As you know, nothing is more annoying

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Speaker 3: Which was hysterical too, because there were very many times

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Speaker 3: where you would start telling a story and She would

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Speaker 3: be like, no, that is not how that story goes.

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Speaker 3: That is not how that stories go. She would start

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Speaker 3: telling this story and then you would just be looking

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Speaker 3: like son of a beast.

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Speaker 2: I was restraining myself. We had a wonderful dinner last night.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a place that my son works at. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I can't say the name other than the fact

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Speaker 2: I think you were pleased with the final product.

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Speaker 3: Kid. And that was one of the best meals I've

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Speaker 2: Big Italian, a real Italian, big authentic Italian meal.

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Speaker 3: That just blew my doors off. That was and thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. That was extremely generous. And it was

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Speaker 3: really fun watching Garrett running around, sprinting around the restaurant

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Speaker 3: almost like a Roman holiday. We were being feeded it

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Speaker 2: Also, you had a chance to see the house. Now,

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Speaker 2: what's interesting. For eight years, I actually had an apartment

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Speaker 2: you describe the difference between my apartment and my house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a dramatic difference between how sparsely furnished

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Speaker 3: eventually go out or something. Yeah, you slept on a

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Speaker 3: And this house, I mean, it's a beautiful house, and

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Speaker 2: Well, she said, Richard. So apparently this is how she

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Speaker 3: Every time she said Richard, I heard ching chi ching.

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Speaker 3: The dollar Sid's gone off of my rap shirt. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it was a wonderful night. And I hadn't seen

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Speaker 2: So we had a wonderful time. A lot of things

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Speaker 2: a few free agents in the NBA. But I wanted

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Speaker 2: to start with this incredibly wacky story with Bob Huggins,

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Speaker 2: the ex West Virginia basketball coach who apparently claims he

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Speaker 2: of resignation that we thought came from Bob Huggins actually

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Speaker 3: What so it came from her and not him.

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Speaker 2: Now, he claims that he went into rehab after the

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Speaker 2: and everything else, right, But he said that resignation did

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, So he now claims he would never resign.

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Speaker 2: They had named an assistant coach as the interim head

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Speaker 2: I never actually resign. That came from my wife.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The university on Saturday released an email that was

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Speaker 3: sent from account that belongs to June Huggins, Huggins's wife

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Speaker 2: That that was from him, maybe through her, but from him.

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Speaker 2: So they're claiming now that no, we're you're you're done.

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Speaker 3: What's interesting, though, is I'm curious if there was a

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Speaker 3: my formal notice of resignation as WVU head basketball coach

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Speaker 3: effective immediately. Was it signed by Huggins, was signed by

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Speaker 3: That's as far as it went.

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Speaker 2: So he says, no, there is no formal document that

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Speaker 3: The school also said it had ongoing conversations with huggins

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Speaker 3: legal representatives, not Campbell, in recent weeks. That suggests that

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Speaker 3: been discussing the next steps of the resignation and retirement

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Speaker 2: Guys represented him for attorneys. All right, let me let

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Speaker 3: This is one of the nuttier ones. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 2: All right, So Bob Huggins is getting along in years,

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Speaker 2: and he's already in the Basketball Hall of Fame, of course,

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Speaker 2: and he's been messed up for years. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: guy's had problems, okay, and then remember he had the

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Speaker 2: of course this incredibly embarrassing episode that he had with

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Speaker 2: the point two to one alcohol and everything else. Look,

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Speaker 2: when you're a college coach. It's a much different venture

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Speaker 2: be sort of setting an example for young people. There's

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Speaker 2: no way that Bob Huggins at this point has any

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Speaker 3: Why would he want to do that. My guess, and

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Speaker 3: built into this contract that if he resigns, he misses

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Speaker 2: But he only had the one year deal because he

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Speaker 2: had signed that new deal after the homophobic comments.

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Speaker 3: But you can have exit clauses very similar to exit

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Speaker 3: There's no question. Not good getting caught, you know, driving

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get that exit claud pays paid out or guests.

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Speaker 3: By the way, that's just a guess.

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Speaker 2: This guy's been a coach forever, literally forever, right since

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Speaker 3: By the way, I got news for.

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Speaker 2: Him rolling Massimino long after he won a national championship

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Speaker 2: some little obscure school. Look Larry Brown bouncing around. Larry

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Speaker 2: Brown just got hired again as an assistant coach. He

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Speaker 2: still has other coaching opportunities down the road. I just

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Speaker 2: I this this whole thing. It's an And by the way,

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Speaker 2: he's a West Virginia guy. I mean, this was, you know,

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Speaker 2: his dream job to He turned to his alma mater

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Speaker 3: But please, yeah, he's just remember Rick Patino when everything

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Speaker 3: Kentucky at Louisville. Yeah. Uh, he coached out of the

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Speaker 2: Two years before he got the Iona job exactly.

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Speaker 3: I think he had come from coaching international basketball in Greece,

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Speaker 3: Because he's doing such a good job in his return

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Speaker 3: These are junkies.

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Speaker 2: Right, we have a twist in the NBA coaching carousel.

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Speaker 2: So job security in the NBA, as far as coaches

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 3: of seeing this guy for a handful of minutes. All right, well,

436
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Speaker 3: let's let's slow down. I agree.

437
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Speaker 2: I want to sort of break this down though, because

438
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Speaker 2: of a general disservice that maybe handed this young player.

439
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: But let's find out first what is trending right now.

440
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: And Moncey is back. She was here yesterday. I don't

441
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: know if you've seen this, Rich, but Monzy Belanos now

442
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 2: works seven days a week Frock Sports radio.

443
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: Wow, I do not, So when is your day off?

444
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 5: I don't really know.

445
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: That means there are seven days of the week. And

446
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: if you don't know your day off, that means.

447
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 5: Yes, that means I work a lot. That means I'm

448
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 5: sleep now.

449
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: Riches now is seven day a weeker, well welcome radio.

450
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah doing it and it definitely makes

451
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: you forget what day of the week it is. Every day, Yeah,

452
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 3: you're like it being this could be Saturday, that could

453
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Speaker 3: be Wednesday. It turns out it's a Sunday.

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Speaker 5: It is. It is.

455
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Speaker 6: Usually when I see you too, I kind of like, oh, yes,

456
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Speaker 6: it is Sunday.

457
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 5: Oh good by seeing people. I know a day it is.

458
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 5: If it wasn't for you guys, I have no idea.

459
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Speaker 6: So sometimes I say it's a day and it's not.

460
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my goodness, you're right, you are right.

461
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 6: I gotta say this Bob Bob Huggets story. I mean,

462
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 6: clearly he's still drinking. I'm just wondering when did this start.

463
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Speaker 6: Did this start right like early? Has he been pushing

464
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 6: for this or did he just wake up and was like,

465
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Speaker 6: you know what, I still want to coach.

466
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the whole idea when this came came

467
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: from his wife.

468
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Speaker 5: Correct, right, So let's say that's all true.

469
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Speaker 2: If she finally had had enough of his behavior and

470
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Speaker 2: said I'm gonna call this one.

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Speaker 3: You're done, You're done.

472
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Speaker 5: Let's say that's all true. But he knew about it.

473
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Speaker 6: There's no way he missed a headline with his own

474
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 6: name once he got out of rehab.

475
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Speaker 5: You did not miss a headline with your own name.

476
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Speaker 2: Well, if you're at a zero point two to one alcohol level,

477
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Speaker 2: maybe did miss the headline.

478
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Speaker 5: No, there's no way. There's no way.

479
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 6: So I'm just wondering when did he start saying this,

480
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean, like, did you just wake

481
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Speaker 6: up yesterday and decide you wanted to do this? Or

482
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Speaker 6: has this been in the motion from the beginning because

483
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Speaker 6: it was your wife.

484
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Speaker 2: I believe that interpretation was if he went through the rehab,

485
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Speaker 2: because he just apparently got finished with this latest program.

486
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: He's been there before, by the way.

487
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Speaker 2: That he was under the impression that if he fulfilled

488
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Speaker 2: that obligation that undid anything like a resignation, that indeed

489
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: now was his choice whether or not he could come

490
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Speaker 2: back this bonkers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So it sounds like we also might hear about

492
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 6: a divorce soon. I mean, like this is as messy

493
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Speaker 6: as it seems. This is this is messy at home.

494
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 6: It's at I can't but you guys were talking about, yes,

495
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Speaker 6: just messy day.

496
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Speaker 5: A lot of crazy stories.

497
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Speaker 6: Northwestern This kind of started yesterday that there was a

498
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Speaker 6: former Northwestern player who spoke to the Daily Northwestern and

499
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 6: revealed that Pat Fitzgerald was aware of the hazing that

500
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Speaker 6: may have even participated.

501
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Speaker 5: In some ways. I don't want to go into detail

502
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 5: because some.

503
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Speaker 6: Of it is a little bit graphic, but this started

504
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 6: coming out yesterday. Apparently this player has now sent ESPN

505
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 6: a screenshot of the whiteboard that was present in the

506
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Speaker 6: locker room showing all of this that he is claiming.

507
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Speaker 5: Because you know, there's a story from.

508
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 6: Pats Fitzgerald, there's a story from the university, and now

509
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 6: the team apparently has said something and they are supporting

510
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 6: their which one saying that this is not what it

511
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Speaker 6: appears to be.

512
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Speaker 2: But the suspension he got it was silly. It's a

513
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: two week suspension, but it's not during the season.

514
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 5: Correct silly from the beginning.

515
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Speaker 3: He's suspended when he's actually not working right right, right right,

516
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: which is you know, which is basically what many people

517
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Speaker 3: call And Monci, you will one day maybe take one

518
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Speaker 3: of these a vacation. Yeah, yeah, I would hope.

519
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Speaker 6: So I wouldn't I get a vacation because truly, truly, uh,

520
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 6: you know, who is on vacation. Unfortunately, Francis Tioffo at Wimbledon,

521
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 6: he was a ten seeded American male player. He lost

522
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 6: his third round match in straight sets. At the end

523
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Speaker 6: described as plane as god awful. So there is only

524
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Speaker 6: one American man left standing. We talked about him yesterday,

525
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 6: Chris Eubanks. He's gonna face what's his name.

526
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 5: Is that one? He's gonna face.

527
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 6: That guy, Stefano's Sismus in the fourth round on Monday.

528
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 6: So that's the only American male. And of course Jess Pagoula,

529
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 6: the female American who is dominating at Wimbledon. She won

530
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 6: her fourth round match today, She's headed to the quarterfinals.

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Speaker 5: One baseball game.

532
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 6: Going on Nationals and the Rangers officially have a score

533
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 6: Washington up to one bottom of the sixth inning.

534
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Speaker 3: Nine month See. By the way, do you believe Rich?

535
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: Can you believe that I was sitting with three other

536
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Speaker 2: people and I said the least.

537
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean by far probably now that I'm thinking

538
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: about it, Yeah, it's.

539
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 5: Hard to believe.

540
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 6: Isaac was hoping to run into you Rich so he

541
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 6: could confirm the story because he didn't believe him.

542
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says he listens to this show on his

543
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: way home. So that's what I like to make sure

544
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: he was.

545
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Speaker 3: Let's put it this way. I think we're feeding Steve

546
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: enough wine. Maybe he was subdued.

547
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Speaker 7: Ray.

548
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Speaker 5: Isn't it sometimes nice, though, Steve to just listen?

549
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: Not really, not really, No, nothing is more satisfying than

550
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: the to me than listening to my own.

551
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 5: Voice and being right g you that we'll talk to

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00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 5: you a little bit later on.

553
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Speaker 3: See I heard that.

554
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,880
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Speaker 2: dot com. All right, So I made an observation in

559
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: watching Wemby. I'm just gonna shorten it all the time

560
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: in his first Summer League game, and obviously I'm not

561
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: going to judge or even try to predict even his

562
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: next outing base on that game, But there were certain

563
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: things I saw in his demeanor on the court that

564
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Speaker 2: I wanted to call attention to. But let's get back

565
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: to the hype of a wimben Yama, which people say, well,

566
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: you really have no control over the hype. The one

567
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: thing about this young man out of France is that

568
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: he's a willing participant. You know, sometimes when you try

569
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: to publicize a certain athlete, they don't want any part

570
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: of it. They're not going to add to it. Wemby

571
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: has been everywhere, He's done interviews, everywhere, He's done little

572
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: mini documentary features about his time in France. So he's

573
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: been a willing participant in the hype of Wemby going

574
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: into the NBA. But you know, we just we saw

575
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: Michelle Wee. She just you know, ended her golf career

576
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: making a thirty foot par putt. They said, a great

577
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: way for her in their career. She missed a cup

578
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: by eight shots. And it was a career when she

579
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: was very young, as young as twelve, thirteen years old.

580
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: As a thirteen year old, she made the cut at

581
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: the US Women's Open thirteen at thirty three, she didn't

582
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: make the cut, but all the hype for her, and

583
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't like she had a terrible golf career, but

584
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: she was being hyped as the Tiger Woods of the

585
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 2: women's game. She's going to completely change women's golf and

586
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: for a variety of reasons, injuries or whatever.

587
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: It just didn't happen. And by the way, the same

588
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: I mean the same thing was being talked about her

589
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 3: potentially on the PGA tour. Oh way, like they it

590
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: wasn't just LPGA. There was talk of her joining the

591
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: PGA and dominating the men's side too.

592
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: She was fourteen, got an exemption to playing a PGA

593
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: tour of Nimis Cup by one shot. In fact, when

594
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: she was sixteen, her parents, she was an only child,

595
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: insisted that she wanted no part of the women's store.

596
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: She wanted to play the PGA tour. So, unfortunately for her,

597
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: in retrospect, some people say her career was a bust.

598
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it wasn't awful.

599
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: She did win a women's one major US Women's Open,

600
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Speaker 2: but she didn't change the game.

601
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Speaker 3: This is my thing about wimbam Yama.

602
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: People are hyping him as a guy, a generational talent

603
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: whose mere presence on the court is going to be

604
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: a game changer for the NBA. If it doesn't happen.

605
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: If he's just a good player, you know, and he

606
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: maybe wins a championship or that, but he's just a

607
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: good player, solid I mean, or Are we doing a

608
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: service young man.

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00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: Of course we are. Of course we are. But he's

610
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: a willing participant. It's it's impossible for us not to.

611
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: And of course he's a willing participant because guess what,

612
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: leaning into all this is gonna make him a ton

613
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: of money and endorsement, exactly as it did with Michelle

614
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: wieback at and and he's put in a lot of

615
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: time cementing his national fame or international fame. I mean,

616
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say that I'm not going to

617
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: compare work or jobs or anything like that, but the

618
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: pressure that's placed on young athletes to perform in this

619
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: country and outside of this country is intense. Natural talent

620
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: can carry you only so far. You have to work

621
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: extremely hard. You have to sacrifice a lot of your

622
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: life to get to the level that Victor wembin Yam

623
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: is at. So he's put in time, he's put in work,

624
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: he's put in effort. He deserves the trappings of the

625
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: fame that he's receiving. And fame is a commodity at

626
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: this point in our country, and again outside of this country,

627
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: you can train on fame, and so I think it's

628
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: wholly appropriate to lean into this storyline, in this narrative,

629
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 3: and do it in a graceful manner. But earn yourself

630
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: some endorsement money because guess what, These careers are fleeting

631
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: and it can be injury. It may not even be

632
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: that he's he can't hack it at the NBA level.

633
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: He could blow out his knee and this whole ride

634
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: could be over tomorrow. So make that money, kid, You've

635
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 3: earned it. In terms of the expectations we all put

636
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: on people. Look, it's unfair, it doesn't serve him well,

637
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: but it's life. People get excited for good stories. Tim

638
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: Tebow was coming out of Florida. Do you think Tim

639
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: Tebow wanted to suck at the NFL level, No, of

640
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: course not. He wanted to be that. He wanted to

641
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: be Lway, he wanted to be Brady, he wanted to

642
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: be Marino. He couldn't do it. He couldn't do it. It

643
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: wasn't because he didn't try. It wasn't because he didn't

644
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: work hard. It wasn't because he didn't commit himself as sacrifice.

645
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 3: And this is a guy who also, by the way,

646
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: traded on his Still is I feel I feel sorry

647
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: in a way for Tim Tebow. Like, look, it's a

648
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: rich guy, and and it's somebody who's lived a very

649
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: profitable life, and he's married to a Miss Universe. Married

650
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: to Miss Universe, things aren't bad for Tim Tebow. But

651
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: but he couldn't hack it at the NFL level. He

652
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: couldn't do it. There were no doubts about him going in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when the Bacas make him a first round pick,

654
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: they were like, you're Tim Tebow is not an NFL.

655
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: Are you saying there aren't doubts about Victor woman Yamo. Well,

656
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: this is.

657
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: Where I'm I get to it well on the other side,

658
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: because when you talk about what does it take to

659
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: be a dominant big man, because we just saw as

660
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Speaker 2: good a performance by a big man in recent history

661
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: in Nicola Jokic. Sure, and why he is such a

662
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: dominant big man And is this a young guy Wemby

663
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Speaker 2: that can actually do it at that level? We'll break

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Speaker 2: it down. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Hartman and

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00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: Rich Arbor, Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the

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Speaker 2: tire Rack dot Com studios. All right, we're talking about

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00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: Wimby right now. So we're coming off an NBA season

668
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 2: where a big man played big and led his team

669
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: to their first ever NBA championship. That's Nikola Jokicic, who

670
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: was almost old school. Jokicic is a guy who can

671
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: dominate inside if he has to go to the perimeter

672
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: and take a three point shot. Not only is he capable,

673
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: he seems to deliver when it matters most The offense

674
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: runs through him, whether he's shooting, passing the ball.

675
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: This is old school. This is how it.

676
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: Used to be where you had a big man in

677
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Speaker 2: the middle. Bill Russell played this way. Will Chamberlain when

678
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: he stops, you know, shooting the ball all the time,

679
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: played this way. Even Kareem played this way. Bill Walton

680
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: played this way. Big man that could pass the basketball,

681
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: could shoot, score, rebound, play defense, you know, check every

682
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: single box. And now we saw that in Jokic and

683
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 2: helping the Nuggets win a championship. I'm watching wemby play

684
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: and his style of play, and this is not just

685
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: what we saw the other night. This is how he

686
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: has been playing the last couple of years in France

687
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: as well. He's a perimeter guy, which is sort of

688
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: the new game. This is what we've been seeing in

689
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: the NBA in recent years. Is that the big men

690
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 2: are no different than the guards. They're expected to stand

691
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: at the three point line and knock down shots. And

692
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: to me, this is frustrating. Now, I know he's only

693
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, two hundred and fifteen and twenty pounds

694
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: for a guy seventy four, and his body will fill out.

695
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: But I want my big to play big.

696
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, he's not physically like Shack, but when

697
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: Shack came into the NBA and just started stuffing players

698
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: with the basketball into the basket, that's what I want

699
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: to see from my big. I don't want it big

700
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: that's playing a guard position. Hey, it's great that you

701
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: have a crossover, dribble and all this kind of stuff,

702
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: But to me, I want to play big. Now, maybe

703
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: he'll develop into that kind of player. And again, he

704
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: as a coach that understands how bigs can dominate.

705
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Speaker 3: I'm anxious to see how that's going to develop. Yeah. Well, look,

706
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: I think we're all anxious to see how this is

707
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: going to develop. But one thing I can promise you,

708
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 3: one thing that I can promise you is nobody knows

709
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: how it's going to go. There are a lot of

710
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: people making some bold assumptions based on one game, and

711
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: I think that is really silly. In fact, that borders

712
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Speaker 3: on again. I get suspicious when I hear people talk

713
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: that way. Are they trying to dash the future hopes

714
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: of a star being great, you know, to be a

715
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: hot take artist, to get their name attached to something,

716
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: and then say they guess right, does that give them

717
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: some sort of basketball credibility? I think that's boloney. I

718
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: also start thinking like, is there certain people out there

719
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: who feel like, for whatever reason, whomen You shouldn't be

720
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Speaker 3: given all of the fame and attention that he's been

721
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: given because of the competition he played against in France,

722
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: something that's outside of his control. I don't know, But

723
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: my point is I get really really the BS alarm

724
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: goes up when I watch a guy play game and

725
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: he didn't look like he didn't belong on the court,

726
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: by the way, I watched that entire game, and whmen

727
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: Yama looks like a professional basketball player to my eyes.

728
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I have uneducated I played football professionally. I

729
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 3: never played in the NBA. But I can tell you

730
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: when somebody really is great, and I can tell you

731
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 3: when someone's really bad. He was neither of those two things.

732
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Speaker 3: But he did look like he fit in on the court.

733
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Speaker 3: But can I sit here or anybody sit here, even

734
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Speaker 3: if they know basketball like the back of their him,

735
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: been playing or coaching in their entire life, that wemen

736
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 3: Yama is gonna have a great or bad career based

737
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: on one summer league game. The answer is absolutely not.

738
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: And anybody telling you that is a lying to you,

739
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Speaker 3: lying to you.

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Speaker 2: Well again, the Spurs that made a commitment with Popovich

741
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: specifically to develop this player, Yep, this is the future

742
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: this franchise, and I guess we have to temper our expectations.

743
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: There were people that paid top dollar to be there

744
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: for his debut in that Summer League game, and they

745
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: walked away with what was the hype all about based

746
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: on a single game? I don't know what they thought.

747
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: This guy was just gonna, you know, score fifty points

748
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: and dunk on everybody and destroy everybody. It didn't happen.

749
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Speaker 2: By the way, to disprove the notion that I do

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Speaker 2: not listen to, rich Rich said something I heard that

751
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Speaker 2: made more sense than anything he has ever said before.

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Speaker 2: Find out what it is. This is Fox Sports Sunday

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Speaker 2: John Paul Morosi JP is going to be joining us.

762
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: We're counting down to the All Star break. I want

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00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: to bring up a baseball story to start this hour

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Speaker 2: with you Rich. Now, I know the Rich and I

765
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: have done hundreds of hours of radio together locally nationally

766
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: mornings afternoons, and we've pretty much covered it. We've also

767
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: talked about the fact that when you are locked in

768
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Speaker 2: a room with any individual with the idea of having

769
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: a conversation with that individual, it's not a natural thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've said this.

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Speaker 2: Imagine you and your wife Anne, you know, put in

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Speaker 2: a room every day for you know, four hours a day,

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Speaker 2: three hours a day, and they say, talk to each other.

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Speaker 3: How would that go? Would you think?

775
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: Oh?

776
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: Not well not, well, it's not. It's not a natural thing.

777
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: It really isn't.

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Speaker 2: So there have been times that I've been accused aly

779
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: of literally not hearing something that Rich had to say,

780
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: Like I would repeat something that literally he had just

781
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: said to me. Yeah. Uh, And it happens. It does

782
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: happen because sometimes you're just.

783
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: You just kid. You can't pay attention to everything.

784
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and because you have a thought in

785
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: your mind that you want to get across, and so

786
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: as you're formulating your thought, the other person's talking.

787
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: Sure.

788
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Speaker 2: And by the way, any any guys out there tune

789
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: out their wives?

790
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: How many?

791
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: How many times does that happen? Like you hear this?

792
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: Did you hear what I just said?

793
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: Oh? Boy, how about this one? So tell me what

794
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: I just said, Tell me what I just saw? Boy? Yeah?

795
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah that that okay. I can get you in trouble. Yeah,

796
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: like I and I. Over the years, if you're married

797
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: or if you've been in a long term relationship, you

798
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 3: realize that what you start doing is subconsciously running about

799
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: a ten second tape recorder inside of your brain that

800
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 3: you can in fact regurgitate the last eleven to twenty

801
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: words you heard and then give that puzzled look like,

802
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: of course I'm listening to you.

803
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: Now you get the h Did you hear what I

804
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: just said? I go, yeah, yeah, yeah. What did I

805
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: say what I say?

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00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: You know, but you bought yourself a little time to

808
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: try to, like you say, do the rewind. So that

809
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: being said, I'm listening yesterday to Rich on his morning show,

810
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: and you said something that was absolutely one hundred percent

811
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: on the mark. Okay, so good in fact, that I

812
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: was going to repeat it and take credit for it.

813
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: Without even acknowledging that you said it.

814
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: That I resisted that temptation, Okay, for this moment. So

815
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Speaker 2: yesterday you were talking about the show Hey o Tani situation,

816
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: and now that Mike Trout is out six to eight weeks,

817
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: the angels in our free fall, the chances of them

818
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: making into the postseason have been diminished, and you know,

819
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: obviously without Trout are going to be highly unlikely. H

820
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: Which brings up the conversation, and we'll have this conversation

821
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: with JP coming up here shortly about the idea of

822
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: trading show hey Otani before the trade ladline, which is

823
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: coming up on August first, And you said, I don't

824
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: think he's tradable. And when you said it, I'm thinking, hmm.

825
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: And then you explain why, and I'm like, damn, he

826
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: is right on the money. So the argument that you

827
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: made was this, here's a guy that you can't even

828
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: gauge what his trade value is because we never had

829
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Speaker 2: a player like show Hey Otani. There's literally nothing to

830
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: compare him to. But let's say you put him out

831
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: on the trade market and you're like, okay, we want

832
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: your top five prospects. That's a starting point. Sure, So whoever,

833
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: the top five prospects in your system, at least three

834
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: of which need to be pitchers, because we're also getting

835
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: rid of our ace pitcher. And then on top of that,

836
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: we want two or three proven starting players. I mean,

837
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: that's that's where I'm thinking if I'm the Angels in

838
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 2: trying to begin a discussion of trading show Heyo Tani.

839
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: Because again, we're talking about a one unique player in

840
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 2: baseball history. If you're that team, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

841
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: We're gonna gut our farm system. We're gonna get rid

842
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: of any solid players, maybe our best players with solid

843
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: depth on our team. For a player that could walk

844
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: away at the end of the season because when you

845
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: think about it from show Heyo Tani standpoint, Okay, he

846
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: gets traded to a team that's empty. Yeah, I'm not

847
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: resigning with you guys, So it's sort of a catch

848
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: twenty two.

849
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: He's untradeable. He really is. That was one hundred percent right. Yeah.

850
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: I don't know why nobody sees this as clearly as

851
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 3: I do, but I did well. I I appreciate you

852
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: saying it because I've been hearing people talking about, oh, no,

853
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: he's gonna be traded, He's out of there, especially as

854
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 3: soon as you know Mike Trout had the hammet injury

855
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: and his I was like, no, there's no way, because

856
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: wherever he goes to is going to be stripped to

857
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: the studs. It's gonna be like walking into a mansion

858
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 3: on a great block and you're gonna be like, yeah,

859
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: but what's inside.

860
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: Why would he resign a team? No way, It has

861
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: gutted their future.

862
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: They would have to completely divest from having a future

863
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: at all to get sho Heotani. They better have a

864
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Speaker 3: window open, like immediately to win a World Series with him.

865
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Speaker 3: Otherwise it is for I mean, it's a complete misuse

866
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Speaker 3: of your assets because he can walk. So if he

867
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Speaker 3: goes to people are like Cincinnati, like he'll go there,

868
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: you know, I mean they're naming teams. I'm just like,

869
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: absolutely not, Like he'll go to this team, he'll play

870
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: for a half season, and then he'll go to a

871
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 3: team that actually has a chance who can pay him

872
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: the salary he's looking to be paid. You know, he

873
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 3: goes to Cincinnati, are they gonna be able to compete

874
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: with the dollar bills that the Dodgers have. No, I

875
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: mean it's just and look, I mean the teams that

876
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 3: have money. I don't think the Angels are interested in

877
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: trading Shoheo Tani to the cross town rivals to Dodgers.

878
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: So this is what's gonna happen. I'm telling you right now,

879
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: he's untradeable. He's gonna be an Angel until the end

880
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: of the season. The Angels are gonna do their damn

881
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: diss the same way they have with Mike Trout to

882
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: convince him to stay there for the rest of his career.

883
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: Whether he will or not, we'll find out, but they're

884
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: gonna offer him a lot. It's gonna be a lot.

885
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a lot of money. He's probably gonna

886
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: turn it down and chase bigger dollars elsewhere with a

887
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 3: better chance to win a championship. That's just my speculation.

888
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: But in my mind, there is no way he gets

889
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: traded because there will be no team on the other

890
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: side that trade. Whatever team tries to think about how

891
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: much it took the Padres to get Juan Soto, who

892
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: is supposed to be the next Ted Williams, who, by

893
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: the way, had years remaining on his deal.

894
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, in other words, it wasn't like he was a

895
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: walk away guy. You knew you had him for a

896
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: couple of years.

897
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: It was a better trade for the Padres. Yes, and

898
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: they ended up still giving the Nationals, I mean a

899
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: number of their top prospects. I think it was three

900
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: of their top ten prospects in their organization, plus some

901
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: other throw ins and some major leaguers. It was a

902
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: tremendous haul. Sho Hee Otani is going to dwarf that

903
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: trade request, I mean by leaps and bounds because of

904
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: what asking prices.

905
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: First of all, you gotta have prospects. Oh of course,

906
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: I'm literally taking your top five, So top five prospects

907
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: at least three of which are pitchers, and then I need.

908
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: Some frontline plays untradeable.

909
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: I agree, I just I don't see any team that

910
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: will do that because from show Aostany's Otani standpoint, he's

911
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: gonna come back and say, why would I re sign

912
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: with a team that is gutted themselves in order to

913
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: make the trade to get.

914
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Speaker 3: And if I'm a general manager or a director of

915
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 3: player personnel with you know, with or baseball operations with

916
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: a baseball team, I'm not going to be the GM

917
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: who trades him for less than what his values to do,

918
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: because say he does go to another team and then

919
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: he is everything and continues to be everything that we

920
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: always thought to be arguably one of the best athletes

921
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: who's ever played professional sports ever, and then people will

922
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: look back on that trade him, say, and the Angels

923
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: only got what Oh my god, they got hosed, and

924
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: so that's going to be attached to me. There's no

925
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 3: way I would rather die on this hill. Look, we

926
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: tried to keep him in town, but our owner wouldn't

927
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: spend Like That's how I want to handle it if

928
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 3: I'm a general manager, unless they're getting obscene pressure from ownership,

929
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: like you will lose your job unless you trade Show.

930
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 3: Hey Otani, there is no way if I'm a director

931
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: of Baseball operations or I'm a general manager and I

932
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 3: try to trade for Show Heeo Tani, because either way

933
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: this thing works out, you're gonna look like a heel.

934
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 2: Arti Marino, who was supposedly gonna sell the Angels backed

935
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: out of the deal. I can't imagine that Arti Marino.

936
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Speaker 2: And we'll talk to Otani and his representatives and make

937
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: something clear. No one is gonna outbid us, no one.

938
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: If this just comes down to dollars and cents, we

939
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: assure you no matter what kind of offer sheet you

940
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: put down in front of us, from the Dodgers, the Yankees, whoever,

941
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: we will beat it.

942
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will beat it. Yeah.

943
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: This is your franchise and we will do whatever we

944
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 2: can to build a winner. It's not like Arti Marino

945
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: hasn't spent money over the years. Oh, it's just been

946
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: misplaced money. Unfortunately it's not worked out for him. We're

947
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 2: gonna get much more of this on the other side

948
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: because we got to up with a man, John Paul Morosi,

949
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: who will give us the latest on the trade talk

950
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: surrounding Show. Hey Otani and also I want to get

951
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: a definition from him, what is an All Star game.

952
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Hartman and Rich Arnberger

953
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the tire rack

954
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. Well, it's always an honor, always a

955
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: pleasure to be joined by one of the giants in

956
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: his or any other industry. And he does it with

957
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: such a modest demeanor you wouldn't even know it, but

958
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: we know it. And that's why we are privileged every

959
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: single Sunday to bring on the one, the only, our

960
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio MLB insider John Paul ROSSI, JP, how

961
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: was your fourth of July holiday?

962
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 7: Outstanding? My friends? Everything went well. Enjoyed a beautiful couple

963
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 7: of days near Lake Huron here in the Great to Michigan.

964
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 7: And today, very fittingly, I'm coming to you live from

965
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 7: Comerica Park. I'm watching the Tigers in blue Jays. I said,

966
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 7: I wanted to make sure that I came down here

967
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 7: and reported to you live from the place where there

968
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Speaker 7: was a combined no hitter yesterday.

969
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: All right, Well, whoa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa

970
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to interrupt. I rarely do this, but I'm

971
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: going to interrupt you for a second. So yesterday the

972
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 2: Tigers had this combined no hitter, and I looked it up.

973
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: Six of the last nine Major League Baseball no hitters

974
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: have been combined no hitters. Now, you can call me

975
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: old school, you can call me the angry guy on

976
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: the lawn, But in my book, even if it's technically

977
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 2: a no hitter, not in my book, a no hitter,

978
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: to me is an individual achievement. And so these combined

979
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: no hitters technically are no hitters. Six of the last

980
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: nine no hitters in Major League Baseball have been combined.

981
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: I do not look at them as no hitters because

982
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: I grew up and the overwhelming majority of the history

983
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 2: of baseball recognizes that Nolan Ryan through seven no hitters.

984
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: What if one of those had been a combined no hitter?

985
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: Would he get credit for it?

986
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: Do these pitchers get any credit for actually throwing a

987
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: no hitter? Would it appear on their Hall of Fame plaque?

988
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: I asked you, well, that's.

989
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 7: A great question, and I would say this, if a

990
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 7: no hitter belongs to multiple pitchers, it would not It

991
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 7: would not be considered a single line on the resume

992
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 7: if you will, to where if Matt Manning, over the

993
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 7: course of his career were to try to chase down

994
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 7: Nolan Ryan for the most no hitters in the history

995
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 7: of baseball, that yesterday's no hitter would not count toward

996
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 7: that number. It has to belong to you entirely and

997
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 7: exclusively if you're going to try to catch the great Ryan. Express.

998
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 7: That being said, if one of the pitchers who threw

999
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 7: yesterday with the Tigers wound up in Cooper's down, it

1000
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 7: might be noted on their plaque that they were part

1001
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 7: of part of a combined no editor. But I agree

1002
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 7: with you, it's not quite the same level of romance

1003
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 7: in the achievement if it is a combined no editor.

1004
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 7: Even though it is unique when a pitcher can share

1005
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 7: the distinction with his teammates.

1006
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: There is something extremely romantic about baseball, and I think

1007
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: we're kind of touching on that with whether a combined

1008
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 3: no hitter is as special as a no hitting performance

1009
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 3: from an individual. Right you know, that was the line

1010
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 3: from Moneyball, and I think it perfectly captures what's happening

1011
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: with Elie Dela Cruz. He is sensational, he's young, he's energetic,

1012
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: he's charismatic, and he just stole three bases in a

1013
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: single plate appearance and did so in doing so, stole

1014
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 3: home JP. I mean, like, I know, we say this

1015
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: all the time because it's human nature to overreact, but

1016
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 3: he looks to me to be one of the best

1017
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 3: baseball players in Major League Baseball already. Is that is

1018
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: like with players like Mike Troud and show Hee Otani

1019
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 3: and Fernando Tatis Junior and a struggling Wan Soda who

1020
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: at one point was was destined to be the next

1021
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: Ted Williams and some of the young players are I

1022
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: is that we've talked about over a course of this

1023
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: baseball season with you. Where does he rank? Because if

1024
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 3: my eyes aren't deceiving me, it feels like he might

1025
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: be the best.

1026
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 7: Right now. Rich Ellie de la Cruz is the most

1027
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 7: exciting player in Major League Baseball now. I chose my

1028
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 7: word very carefully there, and it just tells you how

1029
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 7: blessed we are across baseball now that we have different

1030
00:55:54,200 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 7: superlatives that we can sign to different players. Shotani is

1031
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 7: the best all around baseball player in the world. The

1032
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 7: best pure offensive player, in my opinion, is Ronald Lecunya Junior,

1033
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 7: who is on face to be perhaps the first forty

1034
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 7: homer fifty stolen bass player in any season in Major

1035
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 7: League history. That's why I think Acunya is So You've

1036
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 7: got the best all around is Otani, best offensive player

1037
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 7: is Acunya, and most exciting player, most electrifying, entertaining player

1038
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 7: right now is Ellie Daily Cruz. That's how I divvy

1039
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 7: up my superlatives at this stage of the season. The sheer, physicality,

1040
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 7: rich and seve of Ellie is extraordinary. He is like

1041
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 7: when we were all playing little league and there was

1042
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 7: the kid when we were twelve who just hit his

1043
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 7: gross spurt earlier and was a little stronger and a

1044
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 7: little faster and a little mentally ahead of everybody else.

1045
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 7: That's Ellie. But in the major leagues and the way

1046
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 7: that he sole home yesterday was to use a word, absurd.

1047
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 7: He just basically stole it because the opposition was not

1048
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 7: paying complete attention to him. And that again is something

1049
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 7: that the best twelve year old player in your town

1050
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 7: was able to do in little league, and he's doing

1051
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 7: it right now in the major leagues.

1052
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: So An arch Ward, who was a sports editor of

1053
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: The Chicago Tribune introduced the idea of an All Star

1054
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: game back in nineteen thirty three, in the first ever

1055
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: was held at the old Kamiski Park. The name of

1056
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: the game, All Stars, has been lost on me in

1057
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: recent years, obviously with the expansion of the rosters and

1058
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: fifteen players out of this All Star Game for a

1059
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: variety of reasons, including opting not to play. Suddenly you've

1060
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: got forty five to fifty five players as All Stars.

1061
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

1062
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: In my book, a hot couple of months or a

1063
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: hot month does not make you a star. And you

1064
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: remember back in the day, the Willie Mayses, the Mickey Mannos,

1065
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: the Carl jus Strimskis. They were automatics on the All

1066
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: Star team, whether they were having a good season or not,

1067
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: because they were already stars. That's what I want to

1068
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: see as a fan. I want big names. When I

1069
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: see Alex cob replacing Bryce Elder on the All Star team,

1070
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm looking like who and who and so that gets

1071
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: frustrating to me and why I don't have the same

1072
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: interest in the All Star Game. I used to live

1073
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: and breathe this game. I used to replay these games,

1074
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: playing throwing a tennis ball against a wall, and yet

1075
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: I think we start a lost back of what Ashley

1076
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: defines a star in these All Star games.

1077
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 7: That's a fair point, Steve. In a lot of ways.

1078
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 7: I'll back up a little bit and say this, I'm

1079
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 7: glad for all the reasons that you mentioned that the

1080
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 7: game no longer determines home field advantage. That was done

1081
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 7: obviously after the famous tie in Milwaukee, to give the

1082
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 7: game a certain legitimacy. It works in that way for

1083
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 7: a brief amount of time. I think that it's a

1084
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 7: good thing that no longer is the case because by

1085
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 7: not being attached to home field advantage, we do get

1086
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 7: the opportunity, to your point, to do a little bit

1087
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 7: of the more tribute aspects of an All Star Game. Dad,

1088
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 7: Miguel Cabrera there last year, Dad Pools there last year.

1089
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 7: Those moments I think are as appropriate and as fitting

1090
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 7: to your point as almost anything else that we do

1091
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 7: to be able to lavish the phrase and respect on

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00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 7: a retiring legend. So I think it's important to be

1093
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 7: able to do that. But I also believe this that

1094
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 7: it's good that all teams are represented. I know that

1095
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 7: there was some divergence of opinion on that. I have

1096
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 7: always been someone who has appreciated that because when I

1097
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 7: was growing up here in Michigan, the Tigers were not

1098
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 7: very good, and I still liked being able to tune

1099
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 7: into the game and see our Tiger representative the All

1100
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 7: Star game. That meant a lot to us, and so

1101
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 7: I always sort of stand up for the less competitive

1102
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 7: and smaller markets in that regard. I also think this

1103
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 7: that and part of this gets to what the players

1104
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 7: Union wants it to be. There's a lot of money

1105
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 7: to be made when you're an All Star both and

1106
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 7: your contractual bonuses your stature and status as a player

1107
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 7: going forward. I get what you're saying that it should

1108
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 7: be the haven of the of the true legends. But

1109
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 7: when you are Bryce Elder or Geraldo Perdomo, who's at

1110
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 7: a really nice first half for Arizona, and you're not

1111
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 7: a household name yet, this is one of the tools

1112
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 7: that we have as a sport to give you a

1113
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 7: bit more recognition. We are not the sport of the NFL,

1114
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 7: where where almost every player becomes a household name in

1115
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 7: our country. It takes a showcase like this to do

1116
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 7: that for a player. So While I understand your perspective,

1117
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 7: I am a little bit more generous in being okay

1118
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 7: with more and more players getting status as All Stars

1119
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 7: JP in.

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Speaker 3: The NFL, all the quarterbacks, they throw team issued footballs

1121
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 3: in other sports as well, the NBA, the game provides

1122
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 3: all of the implements needed to play the sport, whether

1123
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 3: it's the ball or the basket, the hoops, the nets,

1124
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 3: it's all provided by the league. In Major League Baseball,

1125
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: seeing we're seeing managers weaponize umpire checks against players. We

1126
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: saw this with Elie Della Cruz and the sense on

1127
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: the knob of his bat. We saw it in the

1128
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 3: postseason between the Padres and the Mets, where Buck Showalter

1129
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 3: had the homeplate umpire rubbing on Joe Muskrove's ears because

1130
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 3: he said they were too shiny and Joe Musgrove was

1131
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: pitching a gem. We saw a pitcher I'm blanking on

1132
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 3: the name, but get wiped down by an umpiring crew

1133
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: just recently because there was a rosin on his body.

1134
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: I have an idea, and I'm curious what you think

1135
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: about this. How about Major League Baseball provides all the bats,

1136
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: They provide the balls. I mean, they're providing the chalk

1137
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: on the baselines and the ballparks and everything else. How

1138
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: about they say no rosin? I mean, like, why are

1139
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,959
Speaker 3: we doing this? In no other sport? Is there these

1140
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 3: rules where it's like, yeah, you know, you can use

1141
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 3: sticky stuff, but up until a point, you know, it's

1142
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 3: just hard lines that are drawn. Why does baseball have

1143
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: to be different? It feels like that would solve a

1144
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: lot of problems.

1145
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 7: Well, Rich, it's a very fair question. The issue is

1146
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 7: that in Major League Baseball that the balls are standards,

1147
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 7: So the baseballs themselves are standardized within a range of specification.

1148
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 7: But there is still the issue that it requires the

1149
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 7: balls to be rubbed up with, whether it's mud or

1150
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 7: some other standard elements, And obviously the ability for a

1151
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 7: pitcher to have rosin is part of it to get

1152
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 7: a good grip on the baseball. I still believe this.

1153
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 7: If you hold all players in baseball, there would be

1154
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 7: a majority who say I am comfortable with there being

1155
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 7: some quote unquote sticky element or a very basic amount

1156
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 7: of rosin to allow a pitcher to get a grip

1157
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 7: on a baseball, but without rendering an unfair advantage. That

1158
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 7: is what the substance checks and the umpired checks of

1159
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 7: a pitcher's hand or hat or glove are all about

1160
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 7: And even as you were asking that question, Rich, somewhat ironically,

1161
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 7: I was looking at the field here in Detroit and

1162
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 7: the umpiring crew was checking tiger starter Derek Scooble, and

1163
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 7: he had to show even under his the bill of

1164
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 7: his cap and run his hand through his hair and

1165
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 7: prove that there was nothing sticky on his hair that

1166
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 7: he was getting as an unfair advantage. So I think

1167
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 7: you're right that it is a little tedious, and it

1168
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 7: is potentially distracting away from just the pure element of competition.

1169
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 7: But the real reason here is that the balls have

1170
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 7: to be rubbed up for them to be able to

1171
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 7: be used in gameplay. Based on the current specifications, there

1172
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 7: has been some effort made in the minor leagues and

1173
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 7: in research by MLB to use what is described as

1174
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 7: the free tacified baseballs that been used in Japan. So

1175
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 7: the seams on the Japanese baseball are higher and the

1176
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 7: actual baseball leather itself is stickier out of the box.

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 7: And if you can find a way to do that,

1178
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 7: then you might be able to eliminate the need for

1179
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 7: the human door eliminate the need for the ball to

1180
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 7: be rubbed up. It's a really scientific thing. And trust

1181
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 7: me when I tell you there are multiple people at

1182
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 7: MLB who have a large part of their job as

1183
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 7: looking into this exact issue that you're describing.

1184
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: All right, one final thing here.

1185
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: JP Rich said something yesterday on his Saturday show that

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01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: I thought was the most brilliant point that he has

1187
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: ever made. And I've done hundreds of hours.

1188
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 3: He has made some brilliant point he's.

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01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: Made, most of which I never hear because I rarely

1190
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: listen to what he has to say. But he made

1191
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: the point yesterday talking about Show Hey Otani and the idea.

1192
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 2: Now with Mike Trout out for an extended period of time,

1193
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: the Angels seemul in a free fall. They start to

1194
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 2: fade out of the playoff picture once again. About the

1195
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: idea of trading show Hey Otani, and Rich said, when

1196
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: you think about it, he's untradeable because when you try

1197
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: to think about the draft, the trade capital that you

1198
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: would have to give up for a player that is

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01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: unlike any player we've ever seen in the history of

1200
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: the game. I mean, let's just use an example. The

1201
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: Angels said, all right, we want your five top minor

1202
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: league prospects, and we want three frontline players for show

1203
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: hey Otani, the deal gets done, and now show Heyotani,

1204
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: who's a free agent at the end of the year, says, well,

1205
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: I'm not going to re sign with a team that

1206
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: just gutted their organization in order to get a trade

1207
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,439
Speaker 2: to get me. It's almost a catch twenty two right now.

1208
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you, is there a reasonable

1209
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 2: way for a team to actually make a trade where

1210
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: they could get Otani and make him stay there, And

1211
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: does it make any sense at all for the Angels

1212
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 2: give up on the idea that show Aotani could remain

1213
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: in the organization in the long term.

1214
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, Steve, you lay out all the really big reasons

1215
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 7: why this is a story unlike any other that I

1216
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 7: certainly have covered in my almost two decades of covering

1217
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 7: Major League Baseball. There's never been a player like them.

1218
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 7: There's never been a player like Shoe Otani. A couple

1219
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 7: things that stand out in your question and there where

1220
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 7: things stand right now. I wrote a couple of days

1221
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 7: ago at MLB dot Com that a trade involving Otani

1222
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 7: is still very unlikely, even though the Angels are now

1223
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 7: below five hundred, even though they have had this precipitous

1224
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 7: fall from a playoff spot. I still think it's unlikely.

1225
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 7: But I would also note that since the Trout injury

1226
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 7: in the last several days, they have not come out

1227
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 7: and categorically ruled out the possibilities. So I really think

1228
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 7: that the Angels baseball operations folks will still workshop the idea,

1229
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 7: look at possibilities, discern on which teams might be a

1230
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 7: good partner for them, and maybe even talk about some

1231
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 7: parameters that they would present to ownership. I just think

1232
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 7: that ownership, because of what you're describing, will be very,

1233
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 7: very reluctant to make this move. If you trade Otani

1234
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 7: now and you're the Angels, the chances that you have

1235
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 7: to re sign on this winter go from below fifty percent,

1236
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 7: which is where they are right now, to almost zero.

1237
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 7: In my opinion. If he walks out the door, that's it.

1238
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 7: We're good, in my opinion, And he is already an

1239
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 7: important part of your organization's history if you want him

1240
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 7: to remain that way, even if he goes to place

1241
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 7: somewhere else, how you part with him right now is

1242
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,759
Speaker 7: going to be very important, and the communication the respect

1243
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 7: that's given is going to be of the utmost importan.

1244
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 7: I think to your point, Steve, that no team can

1245
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 7: acquire him now with the idea that they're going to

1246
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 7: have a strong advantage in free agency because everybody's gonna

1247
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 7: want him. One team that I think would probably have

1248
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 7: a very difficult chance to sign him long term, but

1249
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 7: would actually possess the kind of players to get him

1250
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 7: right now as a rental is Baltimore. Baltimore has a

1251
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 7: chance to win the World Series this year. Honestly, the

1252
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 7: Reds are in that same category. You have to look

1253
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 7: at teams that have young basis of talent in the

1254
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 7: minor leagues that could make a trade that satisfies the Angels,

1255
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 7: but also realize that this would be their one shot

1256
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 7: to have them the big irony, Steven Rich And you

1257
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 7: know this, the team that has the most prospects in

1258
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 7: the top one hundred in Major League Baseball right now,

1259
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 7: you guessed it, the Los Angeles Dodgers. And I don't

1260
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 7: think there's any chance at all that the ownership of

1261
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 7: the Angels would want to trade him up the highway. No,

1262
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 7: right now, I just I don't see it happening, even

1263
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 7: though we might all agree the team that this winter

1264
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 7: that has the best chance to sign Otani is probably

1265
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 7: the Los Angeles Dodgers.

1266
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: All right, well, JP, enjoy your day at k America,

1267
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 2: and also enjoy the some star game coming up.

1268
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 3: I can't say they're all star games. Some Yeah afraid

1269
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: there ye.

1270
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,879
Speaker 7: That excellent work. We will be enjoying the game on Tuesday.

1271
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 7: And Rich, my friend four months from right about now,

1272
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 7: I'll be seeing you there and happy val.

1273
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.

1274
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: Thank you for the reminder that he'll be reminded. I

1275
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: enjoy your day out there, JP.

1276
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 7: Thanks guys, have a great week. All that.

1277
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: That is John Palmosi, our Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider,

1278
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 2: all right, better late than ever. Let's find out what

1279
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: is trending right now. We just had a lot of

1280
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: questions for it was good.

1281
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 5: It was good.

1282
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 6: I'm glad you said, because I was about to ask, Okay,

1283
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 6: so how about you trade him to a team for now,

1284
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 6: like a team's willing to give it all away just

1285
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 6: for a chance to win the World Series this year. Well,

1286
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 6: and he just said, he just says yeah, which I

1287
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 6: thought I actually was thinking Reds too.

1288
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 5: But when he said ools, I was like, Oh yeah,

1289
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 5: they are hot. They are one of the top.

1290
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, if I were talking the Reds, obviously,

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Speaker 2: the first name I want back is La Delacra.

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Speaker 3: That's my point. Yeah, that's my point. All of the

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Speaker 3: young ballplayers who could make up like a great team

1294
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 3: for a decade, say that you have in your system,

1295
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 3: are at the major league level, are going to the Angels.

1296
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,879
Speaker 3: If you trade for Sho, I just don't think it's possible.

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really.

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01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 6: He does require a lot, Yeah, yeah, he requires a lot,

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Speaker 6: a lot.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see what happens with all of that. But

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Speaker 5: with your All Star.

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Speaker 2: Some stars exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Just to add to that, Blue Jays closer Jordan Ramano

1305
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,480
Speaker 6: is the latest All Star. He's going to be replacing

1306
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 6: Houston Astro's ace Framber Valdez on the AL team. Let's

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Speaker 6: do some scores here in Major League Baseball. We have

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Speaker 6: a battle of the best two teams, the Braves and

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01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 6: the Rays, and Tampa Bay is up. Isaac padea is

1310
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 6: with a two run shot puts them up four zero

1311
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 6: top of the third inning, and the Marlins all over

1312
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Speaker 6: the Phillies.

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Speaker 5: It's five zero bottom of the fourth inning.

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Speaker 6: The Orioles have tied the game thanks to Austin Hayes

1315
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 6: solo shot against the Twins. They are tied at one apiece.

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Speaker 6: Bottom of the second inning. Brewers are up on the

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Speaker 6: Cubs very early.

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01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 5: One zero. They're about to start the third inning.

1319
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Speaker 6: Yankees holding on to that RBI double by Anthony Rizzo.

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Speaker 6: They're currently beating the Cubs one zero. They're about to

1321
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 6: start the fifth inning, and Joy Manessa's of the Nationals

1322
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 6: has homered four times in the last three days. They

1323
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 6: officially beat the Rangers seven to two. At the John

1324
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 6: Dear Classic. Brendan Todd ended the third round at the

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01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 6: top of the leader board, and he is no longer

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Speaker 6: at the top of the leader board. Cepstraca has taken

1327
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 6: the lead at nineteen under par. Overall, there is a

1328
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 6: four way tie for second place.

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Speaker 2: Back to you guys, all right, MONSI thank you very

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01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: very much. One quick note here, I was watching Believe

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01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 2: It or Not, and this is only something I would

1332
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: do the actual broadcast. I didn't watch the whole game,

1333
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: but the broadcast of the nineteen sixty eight All Star Game,

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01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: which was at the Astrodome, which was then a new

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Speaker 2: eighth Wonder of the world.

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01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 3: It was great.

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01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 2: They were showing inside the Astrodome and everything else. Kirk

1338
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 2: Cowdy was the voice of NBC Game of the Week

1339
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: and it was an NBC game and one of his

1340
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: commentators was Sandy Kofax. It was only a couple of

1341
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: years remove from pitching the Major League, so he was

1342
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: asked to break down the pitching staff of the National

1343
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: League and the American League which side had the advantage.

1344
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: And it was incredible because he said, my concern for

1345
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: the American League staff, and they only had eight pitchers,

1346
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: is that six of them pitched on Sunday. And how

1347
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 2: is this is the thing now where pitchers like if

1348
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 2: they pitched Saturday or Sunday, Yep, they're immediately excused from

1349
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 2: the game and replaced by somebody else. The entire basically

1350
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 2: a staff, all starting pitchers started games. And by the way,

1351
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: in those days, when you came into an All Star game,

1352
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:06,919
Speaker 2: you didn't.

1353
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 3: Pitch like a batter.

1354
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: No, you usually got at least two innings. Right by

1355
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: the way, that game ended up one to nothing. So

1356
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 2: I don't think any of the pitchers were exhausted after

1357
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 2: you know, pitching two days earlier and then coming in

1358
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: for a couple of innings, and again this is this

1359
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: is my frustration because by excusing these pitchers right now,

1360
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, another dozen pitchers are now labeled All.

1361
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 8: Stars, and that, to me is make an excellent point.

1362
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 8: It lessens, Yeah, the impact of being an All Star.

1363
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 8: It's uh, it's an ongoing struggle. I have listening to

1364
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 8: people talk about all star teams in basketball or Major

1365
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 8: League Baseball or Pro Bowls like they matter anymore.

1366
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 3: I know they don't.

1367
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 5: They they don't, they don't.

1368
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 8: An idea was all stars, right.

1369
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 6: Not some stars, all star all right.

1370
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: All Star game, and unfortunately not they all all right.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the other side, speaking of a true

1372
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: All Star, we've got to figure out what's going to

1373
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: be the future of a Damian Lillard. We got the latest.

1374
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Rich Arnberger,

1375
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the tire Rack

1376
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. All right, Remember a couple of weeks ago,

1377
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: all the buzz out of Portland, Damian Lillard made it official,

1378
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 2: I want out trade me, and the organization's response is, yeah,

1379
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: we'll do everything we can to accommodate you. But understand

1380
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 2: we're going to do best for the organization. Well, now

1381
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 2: it has just come out of exactly what the Trail

1382
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 2: Blazers are looking for in a deal involving Damian Lillard.

1383
01:15:54,240 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 2: According to several sources, the Blazers are seeking four first

1384
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 2: round picks plus two quality, proven NBA players. So that's

1385
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: a six or one deal. There four number one picks

1386
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: and two guys that actually approve and they can play

1387
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: in the NBA, not just bench guys, with guys that

1388
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: are frontline players, not necessarily the stars in your team.

1389
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's look at that in terms of

1390
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: the Miami Heat, because everyone keeps talking about the Heat,

1391
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: so you're the Heat, and they say, all right, we

1392
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 2: want four first round picks, so we're gonna gut your

1393
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: draft for basically the rest of the decade. And then

1394
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: we want we want Caleb Martin and we like that

1395
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: kid out of UCLA, Haimi Hawkes Junior.

1396
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 3: We're going to take those two guys.

1397
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 2: So basically, remember, now you've already lost Vincent, you lost

1398
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: Struss yep, you would be losing Hatkes and Caleb Martin,

1399
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: and you would have no first round picks for the

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: next half decade and you're bringing in Damian Lillard. Is

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01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 2: that a deal that you make if you're the Miami Heat.

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. You can ask for whatever you want.

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01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 3: I mean, anybody who's ever been in a contract negotiation

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01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 3: knows this. You can ask for whatever you want. But

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 3: that's not what you're gonna get. Well, then you don't

1406
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 3: make the deal. Well, yeah, potentially.

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: I mean that's what happened to the Nets a year

1408
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 2: ago when we heard all the noise that Durant wanted

1409
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: out and they never heard a deal they wanted, and

1410
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 2: so he started the season still in the Nets uniform.

1411
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: They eventually traded him well after the season was lost

1412
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 2: or less, and well, they got a lot of return.

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01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 3: They got a lot of return. But on how that

1414
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 3: worked for the song less than the original, the less

1415
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 3: than the original request. Look, here's my point is you

1416
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 3: can ask for whatever you want. It doesn't mean you're

1417
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 3: gonna get it, because everybody knows negotiations, Oh start higher

1418
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 3: than where they land, you know, and you could draw

1419
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 3: the hardest line you want. If Portland says, no, that's

1420
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 3: too rich for our blood, we'll take our chances, which

1421
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 3: with Damian Lillard not playing which may be an outcome,

1422
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 3: or we'll try to make them as happy as we

1423
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 3: possibly can and get them to play with Scoot as

1424
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 3: we look to rebuild the Portland Trailblazers. Maybe they find

1425
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 3: that it's a pair that can work in Portland. Who knows.

1426
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 3: My point is this, if you're Miami and you're really

1427
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 3: desperate for Damian Lillard, maybe maybe maybe you start, maybe

1428
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 3: you start backing down off of that original request. So

1429
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 3: we'll see where this story goes. But you, just as

1430
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 3: well as I do, know that the starting place of

1431
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: a negotiation is oftentimes, if not always, not where negotiations finalize.

1432
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 2: Well, again, my argument against why I thought at the

1433
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 2: time that Kevin Durant was going to get traded is

1434
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: that he was under contract for extended.

1435
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 3: Years, So the same thing with Damian Lillard.

1436
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: He is under contract next season forty five point six million, guaranteed,

1437
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: following year guaranteed forty eight point eight million, the year

1438
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 2: after that, twenty five twenty six guaranteed fifty eight point

1439
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: five million, and then the twenty six to twenty seventh season.

1440
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 3: That's four years now.

1441
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 2: He has a player option for sixty three point two million,

1442
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: so it's not like you're under pressure to have to

1443
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: trade the guy where you're in danger of losing him,

1444
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 2: like a show Hey Otani where he walks away and

1445
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: the end up getting nothing.

1446
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 3: He's under lock and key.

1447
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: He's going nowhere, Yeah, which was very similar to the

1448
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 2: Nets situation for Kevin Durant.

1449
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 3: So we'll see.

1450
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 2: But again they're everyone is conceding the fact that they

1451
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 2: they're under no pressure to have to settle.

1452
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 3: For anything right now. Now.

1453
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: If he brings back and you mentioned the fact that

1454
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 2: Scoot Henderson isn't the guy that they thought he was

1455
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 2: gonna be, or that maybe that's not going to re

1456
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 2: make him a playoff contender, then you might do with

1457
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: the Nets finally did and make the trade.

1458
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 3: I I just think that this this negotiation is going

1459
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 3: to land somewhere somewhere other than the original asking price,

1460
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 3: like most do. And it's gonna give Miami a chance

1461
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: to get back to the deep playoff run that they

1462
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 3: just went on. And Portland is going to walk away

1463
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 3: with a hall because Damian Lillard's worth a hal just

1464
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 3: not that much all quite on the NFL front.

1465
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Speaker 2: Not So, this is Fox Sports Sunday having a good time,

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Speaker 2: If you're just tuning in. We open the show a

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Speaker 2: couple hours ago. Speaking of our evening together, Oh yeah,

1474
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: last night. I have you know, Rich and I have

1475
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: done shows for years and years and years. He had

1476
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: never ventured out to my home in the Westlake Village

1477
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 2: area than Tura County technically just a little north of

1478
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: the LA area. And we had a wonderful dinner last night.

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01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 2: Wonderful dinner. I mean, you know, you know the kind

1480
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: of dinners when you go out and you know you

1481
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 2: know it's going to be a special meal, but when

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01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 2: you actually like literally enjoy every bite. I dare say

1483
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 2: that that was the kind of meal we had last night.

1484
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: We had appetizers, we had main dishes, we had dessert.

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01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 3: Even the bread was good.

1486
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 2: Even the bread, it was like every bite. I can

1487
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: always tell with you, like when you bite into something,

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01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 2: there's no fake in it. I mean, if it's something

1489
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 2: a little extra, you know, Rich Rich wears it all

1490
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 2: over his face.

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01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 3: I'm an expressive human being, yes you are. And I

1492
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 3: enjoy the finer things in life.

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01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 4: Yes.

1494
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 3: Well, actually the truth is I could slum it too.

1495
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 3: I can literally eat a slice tomato off the street, yeah,

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01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 3: and enjoy it. But the problem is you bring me

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01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 3: to and I am a problem if you bring me

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01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 3: to a nice restaurant. I want to try everybody's meal.

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Speaker 3: You guys were very accommodating about that.

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Speaker 2: I gave you half my lasagna, Yes you did, and

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Speaker 2: I scarfed that down very quickly. How creamy were those

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01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 2: fus God? So, by the way, I also introduced Rich

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01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 2: and his wife and to our backyard because I want Rich.

1504
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 2: I want to be able to eye witness.

1505
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 3: Now.

1506
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 2: I've eaten much of your barbecue over the years, but

1507
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:34,839
Speaker 2: imagine if you're at the barbecue and Denise is baking

1508
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 2: all in the same it's got to happen. I mean,

1509
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: that's like superstar, superstar. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's like.

1510
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm thinking a couple of bon in ribbis on the

1511
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 3: grill while the kids are playing in the pool. Maybe

1512
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 3: one of your kids are home helping us babysit a

1513
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 3: little bit.

1514
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you're just having a couple of boys or

1515
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 2: in the pool having a good time.

1516
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 3: Dirty martinis and some bone in rabbis.

1517
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, finish it off with chocolg smell something bacon.

1518
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 3: Chocolate chip cookies. Ma oh boy, good lord.

1519
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, you know you only live once, right,

1520
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: you got to go for it.

1521
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 3: Look, you know, And that's about moderation. As you can see.

1522
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 3: I really do. I really do try to to just

1523
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,839
Speaker 3: keep it right down the middle. You don't overdo anything.

1524
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 2: No, well, I thought last night I was watching you

1525
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 2: try to control yourself, but every time you sampled something else,

1526
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: it was like.

1527
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 3: Oh man, that won't be my last bite.

1528
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: So anyway, we had a wonderful time last night. Was

1529
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. By the way, we're gonna have

1530
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: some big news coming out in the near future, so

1531
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: stay tuned for that.

1532
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 3: And I'll just leave it at that, all right.

1533
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: I want to get back to we haven't talked to

1534
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: any NFL today yet, Rich and I want to talk

1535
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: about your former.

1536
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 3: Team, the New England Patriots. Let's do it.

1537
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 2: And there's many layers to it. I mentioned earlier when

1538
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, Belichick and Brady parted ways. You know we

1539
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: were gonna you know, it was going to go one

1540
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: way or the other. Right, Oh, well, Belichick really made

1541
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 2: Brady or Brady made Belichick. And then what happens In

1542
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 2: the three years since Brady left, the Patriots record is

1543
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 2: twenty five and twenty five, and they've had two losing

1544
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: seasons out of three and the one year they had

1545
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 2: a winning season, they lost their only playoff game. Meanwhile,

1546
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 2: Tom Brady immediately goes to Tampa wins the Super Bowl.

1547
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1548
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 2: So then if you take it a little bit further,

1549
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 2: if you include the time that Belichick had in Cleveland

1550
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: those five years with the five years that he didn't

1551
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: have Tom Brady as his starting quarterback, it's pretty ugly.

1552
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: I mean, in eighteen years with Tom Brady as his guy,

1553
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 2: thirteen trips to the AFC Championship Game, nine trips of

1554
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, six Super Bowl championships, and the ten

1555
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: years without Brady, seven losing seasons and just a single

1556
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 2: playoff win. That was his one playoff run with Cleveland

1557
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 2: way back in the day. So at the very least rich,

1558
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,480
Speaker 2: the Patriots are at the crossroads.

1559
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 3: And I thought it was interesting.

1560
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: The Bob Kraft, the owner of the team, made it

1561
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 2: clear that money is never going to be an obstacle,

1562
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: right and if it becomes an obstacle, I will sell

1563
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 2: the team. So that's what Bob Kraft said, which brings

1564
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 2: to light that if you were to look at this

1565
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 2: roster on paper. Now, I know you could say, Belichick,

1566
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, coaches up players that Bill O'Brien's going to

1567
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 2: be a major upgrade for that offense because he's a

1568
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 2: legitimate offensive coordinator. But I'm just saying, look at the

1569
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: names on the roster and then compare that roster to

1570
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 2: those of the Jets, the Bills, and the Dolphins. There

1571
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 2: seems to be a wide margin between the content of

1572
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: those three teams in the AFC East roster and where

1573
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 2: the Patriots are right now. Would you say that is

1574
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 2: a valid point as it stands current roster's names on

1575
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 2: a roster absolutely there there. I wouldn't say.

1576
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say the gap is as wide as some

1577
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 3: people make it out to be.

1578
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: But how many players on the current pat roster would

1579
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 2: you say would be ranked in the top five of

1580
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: their position in the NFL?

1581
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 3: Oh goodness, gracious, not many well, defensively, there's there's a

1582
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 3: there's probably two. Offensively, not many. Look actually none offensively none.

1583
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:19,799
Speaker 3: I'm just saying with the.

1584
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 2: Jets, the Bills, and the Dolphins in their layers that

1585
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 2: are considered one of the absolute elite at their position.

1586
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, in their division, they would have a hard time

1587
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 3: cracking the top five. I'm not kidding. So look roster

1588
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 3: to roster. The Bills, the Bills, I would say, roster

1589
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 3: wise are much better. Yeah, the Dolphins they're much better.

1590
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 2: The Jets they got all those young stars.

1591
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 3: Now they're they're young, they're unproven, but they're better. Here's

1592
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 3: what I will say, though, The NFL is about two things.

1593
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 3: The NFL is about having an elite quarterback and a

1594
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 3: great coach who can create a great culture. If you

1595
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 3: have one of those two things, you can be a

1596
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 3: very good team. If you have both of those things,

1597
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 3: you're gonna win. You're gonna You're gonna at very least

1598
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 3: go to Super Bowls if not win. That's why you

1599
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 3: saw it with Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson. That's why

1600
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 3: you saw it with Tom Brady in New England with

1601
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick. That's why you saw it with Andy Reid

1602
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 3: or have been seeing it with Andy Reid and Patrick

1603
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 3: Mahomes in Kansas City. You've got a good chance of

1604
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 3: making a deep run in the postseason if you have

1605
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 3: both of those things.

1606
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,799
Speaker 2: All right, So we have seen this over the twenty

1607
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: plus seasons of Belichick not only being the head coach,

1608
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 2: but for the majority of that time the head of

1609
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 2: player personnel as well. Take players that are on No.

1610
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: One's radar and suddenly they play at an elite level.

1611
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 2: Now you could talk about, you know, whether those players'

1612
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 2: games were raised offensively by the presidence of Tom Brady.

1613
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 2: That's certainly an argument when you're talking about the goat,

1614
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 2: and Brady certainly proved that over the course of his career.

1615
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 2: But I'll even con side the fact that Belichick can

1616
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 2: coach up players.

1617
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he certainly does.

1618
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: So here's here are two players that are on the

1619
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: market right now, and we have the owner of the

1620
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 2: team acknowledging that money is not an obstacle. But you

1621
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: have Dalvin Cook and you have DeAndre Hopkins, no doubt,

1622
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 2: and there's no question that Dalvin Cook is a superior

1623
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 2: running back than anyone currently on the Patriots roster. And

1624
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 2: de Hopp is a superior wide receiver to any wide

1625
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 2: receiver currently on the Patriots roster.

1626
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 3: When healthy and available. I would agree, right.

1627
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: So the question though, is are those the kind of

1628
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: players you could see a Belichick who's making all the

1629
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 2: decisions from a personnel standpoint, wants to bring onto this

1630
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 2: team right now?

1631
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look, you've seen this many times with Bill

1632
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 3: Belichick over the years, taking a quote unquote problem child

1633
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 3: in the NFL, or a guy who quote unquote has

1634
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 3: ran out of gas in his career and getting the

1635
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 3: last remaining good snaps out of them. I mean he

1636
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 3: did this with I mean successfully, He's done it with

1637
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 3: a bunch of players, but Randy Moss famously. But there

1638
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 3: have been burnouts too, Chadout, Chosinko never panned out in

1639
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 3: New England. Albert Haworth never panned out in New England.

1640
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people forget he was even there.

1641
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 3: But I mean he did it with Rob Nikovich. He

1642
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,640
Speaker 3: took an unknown and turned him into a star. He

1643
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 3: did it with Wes Welker, So he's done it with

1644
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 3: aging veterans. Don't forget about Jillian Edelman. Julian Edelman, Well,

1645
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 3: that was a draft pick. But you get what I mean, Like,

1646
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 3: when another team in the NFL has scrap heaped the

1647
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 3: guy the Patriots oftentimes, whether it's a star or it's

1648
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 3: somebody who's just you know and also ran, they bring

1649
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,520
Speaker 3: him in, they find a use for him. Danny Woodhead's

1650
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 3: another one that comes to mind, and they turn them

1651
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 3: into very productive players. That's coaching. But the problem is

1652
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 3: you can't coach talent. DeAndre Hopkins has a lot of talent.

1653
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 3: I mean, if we're being honest, Dalvin Cook is arguably

1654
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 3: the best running back in the league outside of Derrick Henry. Oh,

1655
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 3: he's in the top five.

1656
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that question about it, Well, let me ask you this,

1657
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 2: because you know Bill O'Brien, who obviously Will So was

1658
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 2: a head coach, had a successful run before things went

1659
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 2: sideways down to Houston. How much input does Bill O'Brien

1660
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 2: have with someone he's worked with so for so many years,

1661
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:17,480
Speaker 2: Belichick in terms of assembling an offensive roster for that team.

1662
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 2: How much input does O'Brien have or is it all

1663
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 2: one hundred percent Belichick making the call?

1664
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 3: Belichick has last say, but he is a great listener,

1665
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 3: and I mean this at the coach level, and the

1666
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 3: player level. He will take advice from people. It's group think.

1667
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 3: It's not the authoritarian dictatorship that a lot of people

1668
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 3: make it sound like from the outside who have no

1669
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 3: insight as to how it works. Yes, he has final

1670
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 3: say and essentially he takes full blame when things fail,

1671
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 3: and he'll be praised for the successes in New England.

1672
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 3: But Bill Belichick, if he understands one thing, and I

1673
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 3: do think he understands this is it's not just him.

1674
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 3: He can't do it alone. He needs great players, he

1675
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 3: needs it's great coaches, he needs great evaluators of talent.

1676
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 3: And he's taught many of these people a lot of

1677
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 3: what they know. But he realized it takes many eyes

1678
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 3: to make the recipe work. And so Billy O'Brien coming

1679
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 3: back into the fold in New England, it sort of

1680
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 3: feels like it's a year too late. They should not

1681
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 3: have deputized Matt Patricia to be the offensive coordinator last year.

1682
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 3: Joe Judge, it shouldn't have been a shared unit leading

1683
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 3: that offense last year. I don't know. I mean, I

1684
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 3: guess he was trying to see if it would work.

1685
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 3: You know. Part of the reason why New England is

1686
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 3: so unique is they'll throw spaghetti at the wall and

1687
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 3: they'll try new things and sometimes they'll fall in their face,

1688
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 3: and I think they fall in their face at time.

1689
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 3: But Billy O'Brien coming back into the fold is going

1690
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 3: to launch this offense forward. There's no doubt in my mind.

1691
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 2: All right, But to follow up, I mean, and it

1692
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: starts with Mac Jones, who showed promise as a rookie

1693
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,759
Speaker 2: and then took a noticeable step backward year two without

1694
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 2: a a true offensive coordinator. If this team goes seven

1695
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 2: to ten, sure, which is possible, a lot of things

1696
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,879
Speaker 2: have to go right for the Patriots, especially in that division,

1697
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 2: because I can't believe that the Jets are going to

1698
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 2: take a step backwards with Aaron Rodgers.

1699
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 3: I would die unless there's an injury that yeah, So.

1700
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 2: Let's assume the Jets and the Dolphins are moving obviously

1701
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 2: in a positive direction of the Bills. Of the Bills

1702
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:30,759
Speaker 2: seven and ten. Can you ever see where Bob Kraft

1703
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 2: finally says to Belichick, Look, Bill, I still trust you

1704
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 2: as a coach. I still think you are getting the

1705
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 2: most out of what we've got. But this roster that

1706
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 2: you have put together is subpar. I need somebody else's

1707
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 2: input to assemble this roster so we can get back

1708
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 2: to where we all want to be a Could you

1709
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 2: ever see Bob Kraft doing that? And would Belichick ever

1710
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 2: accept those terms?

1711
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think before he would have

1712
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: that conversation, knowing Bill Belichick, he would ask him to resign.

1713
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 3: I think the conversation will go like this, Bill, I

1714
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 3: appreciate your years of service and I do not want

1715
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 3: to fire you, so you have to resign from your post.

1716
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 3: I don't think he because he knows that. Ultimately, Bill

1717
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 3: wants complete control the roster, complete control of the team,

1718
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 3: and if he doesn't have that, the Patriot way is over.

1719
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 3: Because if there's somebody else with equal share of ability

1720
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 3: to if there's anybody in the building who can override

1721
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 3: the final decision making by Bill Belichick, the mystique is gone.

1722
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 3: It's gone. It's over. That's part of the reason why

1723
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 3: it was so successful with Tom Brady. There was because

1724
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 3: as good as Tom Brady was, he still bent the

1725
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 3: need to Bill Belichick. We were all in the same boat,

1726
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 3: rowing in the same direction with the same leader, and

1727
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 3: it was Bill. Now, Tom was a great leader and

1728
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 3: he was a field general in his own right. But

1729
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 3: guess what the general reports to the President of the

1730
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 3: United States, right, the general reports to Congress, like there

1731
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 3: is somebody over the top, and that was Bill Belichick

1732
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 3: in this setup. And so if you have a situation

1733
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 3: where you're gonna divide that power to somebody, he's not

1734
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 3: going to be interested. He'll sooner he'll I don't know

1735
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 3: if he were to retire, but he would force you

1736
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 3: to fire him before he would take a step back

1737
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 3: like that because he needs complete control for it to work. Now,

1738
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 3: you're right if they go seven to ten, and you

1739
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 3: look back to twenty twenty, the first year without Tom Brady,

1740
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 3: excuse a lot of injuries, pandemic, Cam Newton wasn't healthy,

1741
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 3: Brian Horrier wasn't healthy. There's a lot of things that

1742
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 3: went down that year. And outside of Mac Jones' rookie

1743
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 3: year where they went to the playoffs and they got

1744
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 3: the pants beat off them by the Bills, but they

1745
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,799
Speaker 3: made it to the postseason, double digit win season, losing

1746
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 3: year last year, losing year last year. You look at

1747
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 3: the last three years, twenty five and twenty five. Yeah,

1748
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 3: this is a rough stretch for Bill, especially after what

1749
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 3: it's been and what expectations have been in Foxborough for

1750
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 3: as long as this Patriots dynasty has existed. By the way,

1751
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 3: Bob Craft never wanted to get rid of Tom Brady,

1752
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 3: that's correct. And also he made it very clear that

1753
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,520
Speaker 3: he wanted the divorce, so to speak, to be amicable,

1754
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 3: that he wanted Tom Brady to know that he was

1755
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 3: always welcome back, that this isn't this isn't a you thing,

1756
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 3: It's an US thing. And I got to stand by

1757
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 3: Bill because he's the one who built the culture. He

1758
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 3: was here first. But I love you like a son,

1759
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 3: that whole thing. And I believe that fences have been mended,

1760
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 3: not only between Craft and Tom, but also between Bill

1761
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 3: and Time. So I think everybody's in a different place

1762
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 3: now than they were in twenty nineteen. But if they

1763
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 3: have a seven win season, I haven't looked at the

1764
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 3: Vegas win total, but I bet you it's right there

1765
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,680
Speaker 3: at seven or seven and a half. Because the Patriots

1766
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 3: ross right now, like we were just talking about, is

1767
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 3: inferior to the rest of their division. That's who you're

1768
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 3: competing with. First. I would say this, if they do

1769
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 3: have a seven win season, that's when it's appropriate for

1770
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 3: the talks to first start about how maybe it's time.

1771
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 3: Maybe now it's time to start looking in a different direction.

1772
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,719
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Speaker 2: Progressive dot Com. We got more NFL news to get

1777
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 2: to you later on in the show. But I got

1778
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 2: a NBA story to get to and it really has

1779
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 2: to do with the state of the league. This is

1780
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harven and Rich Arnberger, Fox Sports Sunday,

1781
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 2: Welcome back. We are live from the tire rack dot

1782
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 2: Com studios. As a guy that is obsessed with numbers

1783
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: just in general, and then that got me involved with

1784
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: sports numbers.

1785
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 3: Oh I thought you were talking about me. Gosh, I

1786
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 3: got your numbers. I got a lot of into numbers.

1787
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 3: So here's here's a couple of numbers for you.

1788
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety eight, when Michael Jordan won his sixth

1789
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 2: and final NBA Championship with the Chicago Bulls, the most

1790
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 2: watched NBA Finals game from nineteen ninety eight, total number

1791
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 2: of viewers was a little less than half of the

1792
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 2: total number of viewers that watched the Super Bowl that year,

1793
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 2: a little less than half. Let's move forward now twenty

1794
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 2: five years, the most watched NBA Finals game had one

1795
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 2: tenth of the viewers of the Super Bowl. So from

1796
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 2: a little less than half to one tenth. Yeah, So

1797
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 2: you have two sports in terms of viewers at their

1798
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 2: most prestigious event, going in opposite directions. And one thing

1799
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 2: about Adam Silver, the commissioner of the NBA, he's a

1800
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 2: smart guy. He's a smart guy in terms of how

1801
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 2: to increase business for a sport that, as I can

1802
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 2: illustrate in so many ways, is going in the wrong

1803
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 2: direction in terms of interest and viewership. And he's still

1804
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 2: able to maintain that. Of course, business dealings with China

1805
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 2: have had a big part of that, but he also understands,

1806
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 2: I got to figure out a way to get more

1807
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 2: people talking about.

1808
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 3: The NBA, no question. So that's his job.

1809
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 2: As the commissioner, and he does a really good job

1810
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 2: under difficult circumstances. And there's a variety of reasons. Much

1811
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 2: of that, obviously, is the fact that the NFL is

1812
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:49,719
Speaker 2: a runaway freight train and there's no end in sight.

1813
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:55,719
Speaker 2: So this coming season, the NBA, in an effort to

1814
01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 2: stimulate some interest in a schedule early in the season

1815
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 2: that literally goes up against the NFL, because you know

1816
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 2: how it is when the NFL the NBA season starts,

1817
01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 2: we really don't even think of the NBA season starting

1818
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 2: until Christmas.

1819
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1820
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:17,679
Speaker 2: And then this past year, the NFL decided, wow, Christmas Day, Yeah,

1821
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 2: we're going to put up some games on Christmas Day.

1822
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 2: Just wipe out the NBA quadruple header that day, just obliterated.

1823
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 3: The ratings couldn't even I mean you could, they weren't

1824
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:34,440
Speaker 3: even comparable. They were obliterated. The NFL has no sympathy

1825
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 3: at all for the NBA none.

1826
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 2: In fact, they are so dismissive of the NBA that

1827
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 2: they did what they just did on Christmas Day because

1828
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 2: the nbaa was gonna need some pretty good numbers on

1829
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 2: Christmas Day, and it seemed like the NFL was going

1830
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 2: to sort of concede that day. Those days are over.

1831
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 2: The NFL takes no prisoners. They will wipe the NBA

1832
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 2: off the map that they could. So the NBA is

1833
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 2: going to counter with a new event season called the

1834
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 2: NBA Cup. It's going to be an in season tournament,

1835
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 2: and it's going to be specifically in essentially the month

1836
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: of November. Yep, So it's going to be before the

1837
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 2: Christmas Day games. So this is going to be a

1838
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 2: direct competition against the meat of the NFL schedule. By

1839
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 2: the time you get to November, we're looking at the

1840
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 2: playoffs and everything else, right, I mean, is there a

1841
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 2: big you know, November December that is the meat you know,

1842
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 2: getting into the postseason?

1843
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:34,879
Speaker 3: This is so dumb, Okay.

1844
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 2: So the idea of this is these will be classified

1845
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 2: as regular season games, with the exception apparently of the

1846
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 2: championship game, which will be sort of like the playing

1847
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 2: games where the stats don't count anywhere. And I'm trying

1848
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 2: to figure out, if you've had little interest in NBA

1849
01:40:56,439 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 2: regular season games, why would be more interested in essentially

1850
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 2: what are NBA regular season gains, but labeled as tournament games.

1851
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 3: You wouldn't be This is nonsense. This is an urgent,

1852
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 3: This is desperate. This is the NBA's The worst get

1853
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:23,839
Speaker 3: kept secret about the NBA is the owners can't stand

1854
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,200
Speaker 3: the players. They can't stand them. They don't look at

1855
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 3: them as partners. They look at them as lazy bumps.

1856
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,439
Speaker 3: They have to pay that that are don't get me wrong,

1857
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 3: generating them a tremendous amount of profit, but for less

1858
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 3: and less work as the years go on and the

1859
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:41,799
Speaker 3: NBA the unfortunate reality is the powers in the players' hands.

1860
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 3: This is an out of whack power structure. You need

1861
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 3: to have equivalent power structure for a partnership to work.

1862
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 3: The best you need to have it be fifty five

1863
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 3: forty five for it to work. Okay, as soon as

1864
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 3: it starts tipping to sixty forty. As soon as it

1865
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 3: starts tipping to sixty five thirty five like it is

1866
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 3: now in favor of the players, that's when problems start.

1867
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 3: And this league is a perfect representation of when one

1868
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:15,080
Speaker 3: side gets too much power. Look, I was born in

1869
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 3: a house that was supported by a union worker, my dad.

1870
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 3: He went to work every day for the USPS and

1871
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 3: he earned a great living for our family. And I

1872
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 3: believe in the strength of unions and I think it's

1873
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 3: very good. But at the same token, I understand the

1874
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 3: damage that unions can create if they become too powerful.

1875
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,959
Speaker 3: And it's the same way when ownership becomes too powerful.

1876
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 3: When you don't have balance, you lose sight of what

1877
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,719
Speaker 3: the goal is. You need to provide a great product,

1878
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 3: you also need to have fairness in the workplace, and

1879
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 3: achieving that requires balance. This is completely out of balance.

1880
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,639
Speaker 3: So now what you're having is a diminished product because

1881
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 3: players realize they could get away with more. Look, I

1882
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 3: mean we're gonna talk about Damian Lillard on this radio program.

1883
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 3: Damian Lillard is taking advantage of the power and the

1884
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 3: control of the players having the NBA. He not only

1885
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 3: requested a trade after signing a large contract with Portland,

1886
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 3: but he also picked one team that he wants to

1887
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 3: go to. Do you have any idea how unfair that

1888
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 3: is in terms of business? Now, I get it. If

1889
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 3: you can do it and you can exert your power,

1890
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:20,720
Speaker 3: if you can play bully at the poker table and

1891
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 3: push all your chips in on the small stack, fine,

1892
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 3: I mean, exert your power. Don't hate the player, hate

1893
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 3: the game. But the problem with what precedent that sets

1894
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 3: for the rest of the players in the league is

1895
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 3: this is going to happen again and again and again.

1896
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 3: If you have no loyalty, you start losing fans because

1897
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 3: guess what fans want to buy jerseys? How can you

1898
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 3: buy a Superstars jersey if you don't know if he's

1899
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 3: going to play on the team next year. It doesn't

1900
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 3: matter if he's under contract or not. I mean, if

1901
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 3: you have no interest from the players in playing a

1902
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 3: full eighty two game schedule, then why do people show

1903
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 3: up and pay exorbitant ticket prices to go see the

1904
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 3: stars they love? Because guess what they won't. Why are

1905
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 3: any of these superstars anymore enamored with the idea of

1906
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 3: playing in a regular season tournament game than they are

1907
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 3: playing in a regular season guess what they're not. If

1908
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 3: Lebron James wants to show up that night in Vegas

1909
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 3: or wherever these games are gonna be played around the

1910
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 3: NBA and.

1911
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:20,439
Speaker 2: Say the Final Four will be in Vegas, right right.

1912
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:23,600
Speaker 3: Sorry, can't play, I've got a groin issue. Sure, Or

1913
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:27,040
Speaker 3: Kawhi Leonard say his team gets to the Final four

1914
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden he needs a rest day

1915
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 3: and he says, yeah, sorry, I got a bad toe tonight. Yeah,

1916
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 3: like they put him on the injury report. He gets

1917
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 3: to skip the game just like he would any other

1918
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 3: regular season game, and it's it's it's the same as

1919
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 3: missing game forty seven, as it is that one of

1920
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 3: these tournament games, there's no increased urgency, there's only desperation.

1921
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 3: These NFL owners have to figure out a different path.

1922
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 2: Right on the other side, we're gonna explain why, and

1923
01:44:56,840 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna get a little input from Chris on this.

1924
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 2: This does not register in terms of American sports. We'll

1925
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 2: explain that, but first I want to find out what

1926
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 2: it's trending right now. Now, Mancie, how excited would you

1927
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 2: be to, I don't know, skip watching NFL football in

1928
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 2: November to watch the battle for the NBA Cup.

1929
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a bit silly, Yeah, a little bit, especially

1930
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Speaker 6: I think the time of year. Because I'm not against

1931
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,600
Speaker 6: the idea of it, I just don't think it was

1932
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Speaker 6: executed right.

1933
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Speaker 3: Well.

1934
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Speaker 2: Their idea is that we're really hard pressed to get

1935
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 2: anybody watched the NBA prior to Christmas, and now the

1936
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 2: NFL has attacked us on Christmas, obliterated us since last

1937
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 2: year on Christmas Day, So how do we get anybody

1938
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 2: to watch? So just take some regular season games and

1939
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 2: just label them as the tournament games.

1940
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Speaker 7: Right.

1941
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,200
Speaker 6: It is kind of dumb because the ones who are

1942
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 6: going to watch basketball are going to watch it, you know, like.

1943
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 5: Your fans are going to want. Absolutely, you're not pulling

1944
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 5: anyone away.

1945
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 3: They're actually NBA fans. Yeah, you know what about the.

1946
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 5: NFL, right exactly. But you're not pulling anybody away with this.

1947
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 5: And that's what's silly about it, because the fans that

1948
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,080
Speaker 5: watch your sports are gonna watch it, you know what

1949
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:16,759
Speaker 5: I mean. So it is kind of silly.

1950
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 6: But I am gonna blame Rich if the Clippers make

1951
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 6: it to the Final four and then mister Kawhi Leonard

1952
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 6: doesn't play because of a toe, right, I am gonna

1953
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 6: blame Rich.

1954
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Speaker 2: Hold on, now, let me take a little detail.

1955
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Speaker 5: It's gonna happen a matter.

1956
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 2: Well, right, So Monci is a diehard, a true blue

1957
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 2: Clippers fan. So let me ask you this. Let's say

1958
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 2: the Clippers win the NBA Cup. Yes, so the Lakers

1959
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 2: at Crypto dot Com formerly Staples have seventeen banners.

1960
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 5: For nbahbay I forget.

1961
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 2: As a Clippers fan if the Clippers had a banner

1962
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 2: unveiling of NBA Cup champions. As a Clippers fan, would

1963
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 2: you be insulted?

1964
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 5: Yes? Please do not do that. Please don't do you.

1965
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 6: Know they will No, no, no, no, we don't know that

1966
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:07,840
Speaker 6: they're gonna make that wrong choice.

1967
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,759
Speaker 2: Well, they don't have an NBA championship banners, but yeah, NBA,

1968
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 2: we got an MP and look over that.

1969
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 3: Lakers have no NBA Cup championships.

1970
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 6: We do put that in the New Arena. Don't do

1971
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 6: that at stand huge.

1972
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 2: Banner takes them literally half the place.

1973
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 3: I NBA Cup chap. I mean, if you in the Cup,

1974
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 3: you in the Cup. Sorry, even if it doesn't even

1975
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 3: come back for the twenty twenty twenty twenty four, twenty

1976
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 3: twenty five season. Can you even if this is a

1977
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:36,639
Speaker 3: one and done, which I assume it will.

1978
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 2: You imagine I think this was going to be Do

1979
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 2: you imagine how this is all so staid?

1980
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 5: It's so dumb. But if they put it in the

1981
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 5: arena with like a plaque, I would be into it. Yeah,

1982
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 5: but it has to be at the New Arena.

1983
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,640
Speaker 3: It can't know the huge banner. It would be so

1984
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 3: And also I want the NBA Cup to be an

1985
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 3: actual thing that's larger than the Stanley Cups.

1986
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 5: I would love that. I would love that, and I

1987
01:47:58,200 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 5: really regret if it's just.

1988
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 6: A one off that would be so so funny.

1989
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 5: All right, guys, let's chick in.

1990
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 6: In Major League Baseball, we do have a battle between

1991
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 6: the top two teams. It's the Braves and the Tampa

1992
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,600
Speaker 6: Bay Rays. Rays have lost seven in a row, so

1993
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,919
Speaker 6: they're trying to snap that. They're currently beating the Braves

1994
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:17,800
Speaker 6: eight to two. It's the top of the sixth inning.

1995
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 6: But Atlanta does have a new franchise record.

1996
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 5: They have homered in twenty six straight games. Are they

1997
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 5: going to be able to pull this one off? We'll see.

1998
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 5: Top of the sixth inning.

1999
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 6: The Yankees and the Cubs are tied again at four

2000
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:29,679
Speaker 6: a piece.

2001
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 5: Top of the seventh inning, and let's see how yep,

2002
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 5: the Marlins have scored again.

2003
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 6: So they're beating the Philly six to two top of

2004
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 6: the eighth inning as well, Orioles.

2005
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:40,759
Speaker 5: All over the Twins. They got off to a slow start.

2006
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 6: Now they are on top, eight to one, top of

2007
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 6: the fifth inning, Brewers holding onto that one run lead

2008
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 6: over the Reds one zero, bottom of the six inning,

2009
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 6: Cardinals beating the White Sox two to one, top of

2010
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 6: the seventh inning. Earlier today was reported that former West

2011
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 6: Virginia men's basketball coach Bob Huggins, who resigned a few

2012
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 6: weeks ago after a duy arrest, is cleaning through a

2013
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 6: t attorney that he never formally resigned and will sue

2014
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 6: the university if he's not reinstated. Northwestern announced that they're

2015
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:10,479
Speaker 6: going to reconsider penalties for coach Pat Pat Fitzgerald, who

2016
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 6: was suspended two weeks without pay on Friday after new

2017
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:17,560
Speaker 6: details emerged Saturdays surrounding allegations of hazing in the football program.

2018
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 6: Sepstraca is still at the top at the John Deere

2019
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 6: Classic at twenty two under par overall. At Wimbledon, number

2020
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:28,839
Speaker 6: one seeds Fiatik has advanced to the quarterfinals at Wimbledon

2021
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 6: along with the American.

2022
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 5: Ford seat Jessic Pagula.

2023
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 2: Back to you guys, hi Monti and good luck to

2024
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:36,640
Speaker 2: your clippers.

2025
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 3: Is the upcoming Yeah.

2026
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 5: No, it's gonna be great. I can already feel it.

2027
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 3: I can already feel just looking at the group play. Yeah,

2028
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 3: for the upcoming NBA Cup And I'm looking let's.

2029
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 6: See, there was ryman reason to why these groups were

2030
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 6: put together, and I read it.

2031
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, this is.

2032
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 3: You have you have six groups of five. There are

2033
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 3: three teams. Yeah, is where the LA Clippers play and

2034
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 3: who is in their group? They will be with the

2035
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,639
Speaker 3: New Orleans Pelicans and the Dallas Mavericks and the Houston

2036
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 3: Rockets and the Denver Nuggets.

2037
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 2: Oh well, okay, maybe not, although again trying to figure

2038
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 2: out which team shows up. Now, I want to bring

2039
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 2: Chris on here, because Chris is our resident expert on

2040
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 2: the world to Socker, that's right, because Adam Silver is

2041
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 2: basing this idea on what has been very popular in

2042
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 2: European soccer for many, many years of football as they

2043
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 2: know it. They're so Chris explained to us these in

2044
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:34,559
Speaker 2: season tournaments why they've been popular. And I heard you

2045
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 2: earlier today with Dan and Bucky explain why it's almost

2046
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 2: comparing apples to oranges what the NBA is proposing as

2047
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 2: opposed to what is working with European soccer.

2048
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's kind of hard because there's no such thing

2049
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 9: as in season, like you know, Champions League, Europa League

2050
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 9: and UEFA will overlap with the domestic leagues. But the

2051
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 9: same format as here is being used for this international

2052
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 9: break we're having with the Gold Cup for Conkork Euros,

2053
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:03,719
Speaker 9: even the World Cup itself it uses the same format

2054
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 9: except for this except for two things I don't understand.

2055
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,640
Speaker 9: One the at large, which doesn't happen in any of

2056
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:13,120
Speaker 9: these and two that these games count towards the regular season.

2057
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 9: That's something you're breaking to me. I didn't realize that,

2058
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:17,720
Speaker 9: and that sounds really dumb. The whole point of a

2059
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 9: tournament like this is to be separate from a domestic

2060
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,600
Speaker 9: season and like making it matter for that just I

2061
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 9: don't know how much I really like that because and

2062
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,599
Speaker 9: the point I brought up to to Dan Byer earlier

2063
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 9: was that in Europe, in South America, in the world

2064
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 9: of soccer, clubs have more than one priority and those

2065
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 9: changes year to year. You kind of stack trophies as

2066
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 9: you go. If you do something like say Manchester City

2067
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:46,560
Speaker 9: to this past year where you do the Treble, you

2068
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 9: win the FA Cup, they're domestic, which is the Premier

2069
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:52,560
Speaker 9: League and Champions League. That's a major, major, major accomplishment.

2070
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:55,759
Speaker 9: It's more it's more like a blend of college football.

2071
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 9: Plus I don't know, like golf when it comes to

2072
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 9: there's multiple targets to hit, but I think our major

2073
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 9: four sports have all been geared towards winner take all

2074
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 9: on one tournament, and we and I worry about this

2075
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 9: termin on this point too, not that that it would

2076
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 9: take away from that. I don't think it would. It

2077
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 9: would be encouraging probably the positive side. Who would be

2078
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 9: encouraging for something once like say the Sacramento Kings would

2079
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 9: love to win this NBA Cup. But the problem is

2080
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 9: is that if you're doing that, you're kind of you're

2081
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 9: admitting that there is a lack of parody in the NBA,

2082
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 9: which we know. But the problem is all the other

2083
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 9: processes in our sports are trying to reinforce parody. It's

2084
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 9: why we expand the playoffs, it's why we have the draft,

2085
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:48,040
Speaker 9: and we reward people who do poorly there. You're basically

2086
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 9: admitting that this cup is probably going to be more

2087
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:54,720
Speaker 9: important for those second tier of teams rather than the

2088
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 9: first tier, which is also a problem in soccer, like

2089
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:00,759
Speaker 9: the FA Cup does not matter to the biggest teams

2090
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 9: in the club in Europe anymore, in England anymore.

2091
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:05,800
Speaker 3: It's you know, if you're a.

2092
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 9: Second tier club, if you're a lower tier it's a

2093
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,880
Speaker 9: great honor to keep playing deep into the tournament. But

2094
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 9: if you're like Manchester United to Liverpool, you're not sending

2095
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:16,680
Speaker 9: your a squad so it's it's creating a mess, and

2096
01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:19,600
Speaker 9: it's inheriting a problem from soccer rather than fixing the

2097
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 9: problem I have with the NBA, which is their lack

2098
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:21,679
Speaker 9: of parody.

2099
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:25,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think you said something that registered with me immediately.

2100
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 2: In American sports, it's winner take all. Yes, we have

2101
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 2: on target. We talked what you know. I remember the

2102
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 2: last year that Kobe played for the Lakers. I took

2103
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 2: my son Garrett to a practice and they're practice facilities.

2104
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:43,479
Speaker 2: They have all their Larry O'Brien trophies lined up. It's

2105
01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 2: it's insane, like all these championship trophies. So I asked

2106
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 2: one of my friends that worked in the organization, Hey,

2107
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 2: I know you won the those Western Conference trophies. I

2108
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 2: was there when you got the presentation in eighth, nine, ten.

2109
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,759
Speaker 2: Where are those? This was somebody at a high level

2110
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 2: in the organization. And he looks at me. He goes,

2111
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:07,559
Speaker 2: I have no clue. Yeah, I have no clue.

2112
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2113
01:54:08,200 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 2: And you you received you received rich here received a

2114
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 2: I guess AFC championship ring when your pay Trips lost

2115
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:20,880
Speaker 2: to the Giants. Yeah, you got it in the mail,

2116
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:23,680
Speaker 2: I think, and you you didn't even know what it was.

2117
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 2: I thought they were confused. I honestly opened that. I

2118
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:29,639
Speaker 2: was like, what the hell is this? We didn't win

2119
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? And then I read the letter that

2120
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:35,200
Speaker 2: was attached with it and was an AFC Championship ring.

2121
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,360
Speaker 2: Look here, here's here's the thing that you're saying, Chris,

2122
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 2: that I completely agree with.

2123
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 3: This solves nothing. It may create more problems than it solves.

2124
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 3: And on top of it, why are players who are

2125
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 3: being paid tens of millions of dollars if they're important

2126
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 3: players to a franchise and the majority of them are

2127
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 3: being played paid millions of dollars? Like I read a

2128
01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 3: headline yesterday, I should I should bring back up. I'll

2129
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,600
Speaker 3: bring it back up on I'll just say this real quick.

2130
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, like hockey players won't touch the President's Trophy ye,

2131
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 9: like for winning the most points. I think, you know,

2132
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:10,760
Speaker 9: if you win the most of the regular season, that should

2133
01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 9: be more celebrated when we do. But again, you brought

2134
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:16,040
Speaker 9: up the Patriots like they have the New York perfect season,

2135
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 9: but everyone's going to remember them just for losing to

2136
01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 9: the Giants. That's just how our culture is. Like I

2137
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 9: think maybe the time it could change it. But the

2138
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 9: FA Cup is like one hundred and thirty years old.

2139
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 3: This is a brand new trophy. This will give you

2140
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 3: an example of what I'm talking about. Philadelphia seventy six

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Speaker 3: ers restricted free agent forward Paul Reid Junior has signed

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Speaker 3: a three year, twenty three million dollar offer sheet. Now

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01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 3: it goes on to explain more, But this is a

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01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 3: headline that broke two days ago. Okay, twenty three million

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01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:46,560
Speaker 3: over three years. Does anybody know who Paul Reed Junior is?

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01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 3: How about this? This is what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: There were sixty nine players this year in the NBA

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01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 2: that made at least twenty million dollars, including Keldon Johnson.

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Speaker 3: So you are going to get if the winners, the

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01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 3: winners of the championship five hundred thousand dollars apiece, and

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01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 3: what that's going to motivate them to play hard? The

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01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 3: answer is it won't. They don't talk.

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01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 2: About just motivating them to show up.

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01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 3: Dude. This is the worst idea I've ever heard of

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01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 3: in my life. It is motivated by the one thing

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01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 3: none of these players need any more of which is money.

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01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:27,440
Speaker 3: Unless you were talking about winner take all, maybe it's

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01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:28,879
Speaker 3: ten million dollars a play.

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Speaker 2: All right, quickly, on the other side, let's figure out

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Speaker 2: a better solution for the NBA. This is Fox Sports Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Steve Harbin and Rich Ornberger, Fox Sports Sunday. We are

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Speaker 2: alive from the ty iraq dot Com studios. All right,

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Speaker 2: so we talked about this during the break. What is

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01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 2: a better solution to maybe some of the early season

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01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 2: viewership problems the NBA has instead of relabeling regular season

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01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:55,040
Speaker 2: games as tournament games, you really think that's gonna work

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Speaker 2: in the month of November at the height of the

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Speaker 2: NFL season. Here's something I've not figured out and saw

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Speaker 2: a little of this during the shutdown of COVID. Now,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately for the NBA, they pushed it too far so

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Speaker 2: that you had your NBA Finals go against NFL games

2172
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 2: and they had the lowest ratings of all time. But

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01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,160
Speaker 2: you don't have to do that. How about starting your season.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. I'm even gonna concede something you

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01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,840
Speaker 2: always talk about in that short shortening the regular season,

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01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:26,920
Speaker 2: But how about starting your season on Christmas Day, like

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01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 2: that's the first day of the NBA season. And then

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Speaker 2: even if you have to shorten the season by let's

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01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 2: say ten games from eighty two to seventy two. Your

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01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:40,280
Speaker 2: NBA finals are the final week of July, so you're

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01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 2: not going against the NFL. You're essentially going against the

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01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:47,440
Speaker 2: dog days of the baseball season. So you will you

2183
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 2: will have center stage to imagine if your NBA finals

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01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 2: are in July, forget June. No, no, no, you move them back,

2185
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 2: move the entire season back six weeks, and.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee two minutes.

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01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 2: That people that don't want to watch middle of the

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01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 2: season baseball will turn onto the NBA.

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01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 3: But what happens if you make those adjustments and the

2190
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,879
Speaker 3: ratings don't reflect positivity, and then all of a sudden,

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01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 3: networks come back to you and they go, what the

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01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 3: hell were you thinking? Product, you have to you have

2193
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 3: to re redo contracts with networks, and all of a sudden,

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01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,560
Speaker 3: player salaries go down, and all of a sudden, all

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01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 3: of a sudden, Look, it's gonna be a cascade of

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01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 3: reasons why you can't do that. Look, this isn't inherently

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01:58:33,880 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 3: a terrible idea playing an in season tournament.

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Speaker 1: It not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, there are ways to do this and

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01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:46,040
Speaker 3: for it to work. They just honestly found like one

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Speaker 3: of the ways where it absolutely will not like incentivizing

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01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 3: players in the quarterfinal round by getting paid fifty grand

2203
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 3: for showing up and participated for giving you know, one

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01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 3: hundred thousand to each player who makes it to the

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Speaker 3: knockout round, giving two hundred thousand dollars to the runner up,

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01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 3: giving up five hundred thousand dollars to the winners on

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01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 3: each player on each each of these teams. This is

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01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 3: not an appropriate way to incentivize NBA players. It's not

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Speaker 3: because they make too much money. It's like, honestly, it's

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01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 3: like offering couch change to a millionaire. It really is.

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01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:24,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you're talking about money that these guys wouldn't

2212
01:59:24,200 --> 01:59:26,320
Speaker 3: bat an eye. I'm talking about on the winning team

2213
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 3: spending on a weekend in Vegas at the clubs. It's

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Speaker 3: it's it's ridiculous. It is such a poor solution to

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01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:41,320
Speaker 3: a very complex problem. I can't believe they actually announced

2216
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 3: it's it's drips of desperation.

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Speaker 2: It really does, and that's never a good sign for

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01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:50,920
Speaker 2: any sport you want to play at the positive, and

2219
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,120
Speaker 2: obviously the positive they're hoping for is that Wemba Yama

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01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 2: is going to be the superstar this league desperately needs

2221
01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 2: much more on that. We got NFL, We got NBA News.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday doing what we do every

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Speaker 2: single Sunday here on the vast Fox Sports Radio network.

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Speaker 2: one question for you, Rich, because we did We've mentioned

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Speaker 2: this a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: We had a wonderful dinner last night.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you d talks after a particularly big

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Speaker 2: feast or how does that work for you? I know

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Speaker 2: I do, like I did the idea. I ate a

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Speaker 2: lot yesterday. I mean again, I'm like you and we're

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02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 2: drinking a lot in the whole shebang, you know, and

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02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:50,520
Speaker 2: you know when you're when you go to bed and

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02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:53,760
Speaker 2: you're full, you know, and you're you're feeling it, do

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Speaker 2: you dtox for a day or you just sort of

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Speaker 2: slow down a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's no there's no way you could carry

2243
02:01:02,720 --> 02:01:06,160
Speaker 3: on the way we did last night, for say, I

2244
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:08,760
Speaker 3: don't know a week or a month or any extended

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Speaker 3: period of time and expect to have a modicum of

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Speaker 3: health left. You know it. Actually it reminds me of

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02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:18,640
Speaker 3: something that you over say. You always say that I

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02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:22,919
Speaker 3: actually think relates back to a story we haven't discussed

2249
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:27,920
Speaker 3: yet today. Everything in life is about moderation. Yes, if

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Speaker 3: you do anything to the nth degree, even good things,

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Speaker 3: it will turn out bad. There is a destructive potential

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Speaker 3: to water. As much as everybody says, oh, just drink

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Speaker 3: as much water as you possibly can, it's so good

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Speaker 3: for you. There isn't such thing as water poisoning, although

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Speaker 3: there was a.

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Speaker 2: Radio show or a woman was actually poison and died. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: from drinking too much water.

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Speaker 3: It's essential to life. But overdoing it, something as as

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02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:57,080
Speaker 3: big of a necessity as water as can destroy you.

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Speaker 3: Same with salt, same with I mean things that your

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02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:04,880
Speaker 3: body needs to live out functions. If you do too

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Speaker 3: much of it, it's going to have a negative ramification Hazing.

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Speaker 3: Hazing is one of those things, all right.

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Speaker 2: So this is this Northwestern story. Yeah, Now what did

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Speaker 2: you make of this? Because you obviously have a far

2266
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Speaker 2: greater knowledge of this than I do so.

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Speaker 3: Pat Fitzgerald, the head coach and famous alum yes at Northwestern,

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02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:30,880
Speaker 3: has a huge, huge controversy on his hand. At Northwestern,

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02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:35,000
Speaker 3: he his football team at some point over the past

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Speaker 3: couple of years had a player who has remained anonymous

2271
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Speaker 3: but has become a whistleblower on some of the things

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Speaker 3: that have occurred around the program involving, you know, nudity

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02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:52,520
Speaker 3: and sexual salt and violence to underclassmen as they enter

2274
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Speaker 3: the program. There's a lot of people who are coming

2275
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Speaker 3: out on Twitter on social media and saying there's no

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Speaker 3: appropriate level of hazing. All hazing is bad hazing. It

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Speaker 3: should be you know, you should add have a complete

2278
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Speaker 3: abstinence to this. There should be there's no room in

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Speaker 3: sports for this. But you know what life's about, moderation.

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Speaker 3: It's just like you always say, and I look at

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Speaker 3: hazing like I look at alcohol, like there is room

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Speaker 3: in society for alcohol. Alcohol is a social lupricint. It

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02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:28,320
Speaker 3: creates deeper bonds. Some of my best conversations with some

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Speaker 3: of my best friends have been under the influence of alcohol.

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02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 3: If you drink it every day, you're going to develop

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Speaker 3: a problem it will destroy you. If you rely on

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02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:41,000
Speaker 3: alcohol to handle some of you know, your social anxieties,

2288
02:03:41,120 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 3: you're probably not doing yourself any benefits self medicating. If

2289
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,600
Speaker 3: you drink too much in one night, it'll destroy you.

2290
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:51,320
Speaker 3: But there is room in society, and moderation is key.

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Speaker 3: I feel the same way about hazing. I feel the

2292
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:55,720
Speaker 3: same way about hazeing. Some of the deepest bonds I

2293
02:03:55,760 --> 02:04:00,840
Speaker 3: have in my life are as a result of going

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Speaker 3: through hardships with my teammates, and some of those were

2295
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,960
Speaker 3: imposed by veteran players, and some of them were imposed

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Speaker 3: by coaches, and you could characterize those hardships as hazing.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind. I don't mind a little bit of hazing.

2298
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,040
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a negative thing. I think it

2299
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:23,520
Speaker 3: can be overdone the same way you can overdo alcohol.

2300
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Speaker 3: But there's room in culture, in society, in sport for hazing.

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02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:30,320
Speaker 3: And the people who are coming out who have never

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Speaker 3: played a sport, or the people who are coming out

2303
02:04:32,680 --> 02:04:35,320
Speaker 3: who maybe had had it too rough. And there are

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Speaker 3: plenty of examples of this going too far. I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying that you're not entitled to your opinion, but there

2306
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,520
Speaker 3: are plenty of people who will take the opposite side

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Speaker 3: of this and say that it enriched their athletic career,

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02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:51,120
Speaker 3: It made deeper bonds with their teammates, It created a

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02:04:51,200 --> 02:04:54,960
Speaker 3: culture of accountability inside of a locker room that would

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02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,680
Speaker 3: not have been there if those hardships didn't exist. So

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02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:00,480
Speaker 3: there is room in society for this. You just have

2312
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Speaker 3: to find the line.

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Speaker 2: I found it interesting when I worked for the Raiders

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Speaker 2: in the eighties that here was an organization so notorious

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Speaker 2: for taking players that other teams deemed uncoachable and welcoming

2316
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:18,600
Speaker 2: into the family. Here was the thing about the Raiders

2317
02:05:18,680 --> 02:05:24,640
Speaker 2: under mister al Davis. They were anti hazing. There was

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Speaker 2: never any level of hazing. Instead, what they were done

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Speaker 2: is we're going to teach you the Raider way from

2320
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Speaker 2: day one. If you're going to be on this team,

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Speaker 2: this is the way we played the game.

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Speaker 3: So is that hazing. It wasn't hazy.

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Speaker 2: They didn't, like, I say, like moderate hazing. Like, what's

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Speaker 2: moderate hazing? All right, So you're a rookie and you're

2325
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Speaker 2: on the road, you carry my bags, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: that's sort of a standard, you know, rookie job. I

2327
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:01,720
Speaker 2: had to do that a little bit, you know, when

2328
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Speaker 2: my first year.

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Speaker 3: With the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Remember they had me do this so we would videotape

2331
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:10,880
Speaker 2: the game with the idea of if we win the game,

2332
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:13,800
Speaker 2: we could watch the game on the flight back. And

2333
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:18,880
Speaker 2: they had this one hundred pound chest full of equipment

2334
02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:21,880
Speaker 2: that I was responsible for my first year on the

2335
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Speaker 2: road of lugging this thing. I remember going to the

2336
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Speaker 2: old Mile High Stadium and having to walk this up

2337
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Speaker 2: five ramps to get it hooked up to a machine.

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Speaker 3: How many times you watch those tapes?

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Speaker 5: Zero?

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Speaker 3: They were just messing with me to try to understand

2341
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Speaker 3: how committed are you to being a Raider dude? And

2342
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Speaker 3: I get it. It's and I'll tell you right now,

2343
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:51,280
Speaker 3: it's an important It's an important step in a process

2344
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 3: to figure out who you can count on and who

2345
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:57,000
Speaker 3: you can't. Yeah, this happens in relationships. We don't call

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Speaker 3: it hazing. We don't call it hazing, but it happens

2347
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Speaker 3: in real relationships. How many girls out there are guilty

2348
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:06,720
Speaker 3: of putting their boyfriend through something that they knew would

2349
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 3: be uncomfortable, they knew would be kind of funny to

2350
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Speaker 3: them but not really funny to their boyfriend, to see

2351
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:15,560
Speaker 3: if they can hang, you know, introducing him to the

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Speaker 3: you know, the the meat head cousin or brother or

2353
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:20,160
Speaker 3: uncle who who.

2354
02:07:20,040 --> 02:07:22,040
Speaker 2: She knows is going to give him the heart got

2355
02:07:22,040 --> 02:07:24,080
Speaker 2: her do it with her new boyfriend all the time.

2356
02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:29,360
Speaker 2: And he's willing participant, but he is being tested, yes, constantly.

2357
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:33,360
Speaker 3: Look, we don't call it hazing, but in school sometimes

2358
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:36,240
Speaker 3: we're calling students to the front of the class to give,

2359
02:07:36,920 --> 02:07:39,720
Speaker 3: you know, the the to take over for the teacher

2360
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:43,960
Speaker 3: and to lecture and give an oral report about George Washington,

2361
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:48,960
Speaker 3: about about Thomas Jefferson. And they're they're I mean, for

2362
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:51,960
Speaker 3: some people, this is the most humiliating thing they'll do

2363
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:56,240
Speaker 3: with their lives, that that a a public speaking event

2364
02:07:56,720 --> 02:07:59,720
Speaker 3: is going to be one of those core memories where

2365
02:07:59,720 --> 02:08:02,960
Speaker 3: they're knees were shaking, their throat was clenching, They felt

2366
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,760
Speaker 3: like they were on the border of tears. But it's

2367
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:09,920
Speaker 3: a test. It's something that you're putting somebody through to

2368
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:13,720
Speaker 3: reach an outcome you wouldn't have known of if you

2369
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:16,640
Speaker 3: didn't test them. That's what hazing is, all right. So

2370
02:08:16,680 --> 02:08:19,560
Speaker 3: I'm not saying again not all hazing is good hazing,

2371
02:08:19,560 --> 02:08:21,560
Speaker 3: all right. So there's some things that you got to

2372
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:24,640
Speaker 3: draw a hard line and say do not cross? All right?

2373
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:27,280
Speaker 2: Where is that hard line? So you've been on it

2374
02:08:27,320 --> 02:08:30,640
Speaker 2: at the high school level, the college level, the professional level.

2375
02:08:31,120 --> 02:08:36,040
Speaker 2: Football very notorious for hazing or however you want to

2376
02:08:36,120 --> 02:08:42,560
Speaker 2: label it in order to essentially emphasize your allegiance to

2377
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:45,560
Speaker 2: that team. Yeah, where do you draw the line? And

2378
02:08:46,360 --> 02:08:52,400
Speaker 2: from what you understand about this Northwestern accusations, if indeed

2379
02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald the coach, had any knowledge at all about

2380
02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:02,200
Speaker 2: stuff that maybe you deem crossing the line? Should a

2381
02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:05,440
Speaker 2: two week suspension when he's essentially on vacation anyway? Is

2382
02:09:05,480 --> 02:09:09,080
Speaker 2: that is that a punishment that fits the crime? Where

2383
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 2: do you draw the line? So the line should.

2384
02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:14,080
Speaker 3: Be drawn wherever and by the way, this is a

2385
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:18,320
Speaker 3: hazy line, but the line should absolutely be drawn when

2386
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:23,120
Speaker 3: hazing turns personal, when hazing turns into bullying, when hazing

2387
02:09:23,200 --> 02:09:28,840
Speaker 3: becomes pinpointed or directed at one player. Look again, this

2388
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:30,840
Speaker 3: is a little bit of a purity test. This is

2389
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:32,760
Speaker 3: a little bit of can you hang with the group?

2390
02:09:33,320 --> 02:09:35,880
Speaker 3: Do you have the right stuff? This is bootcamp in

2391
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:39,480
Speaker 3: the Marines, This is this is this is what we do,

2392
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:44,560
Speaker 3: especially in physical places. This is buds for the Navy Seals.

2393
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:48,200
Speaker 3: When when you when you are trying to find out

2394
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:50,680
Speaker 3: when you're trying to divide the wheep from the chaff,

2395
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 3: you're you're you have to put people through tough things.

2396
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:58,120
Speaker 3: And football is an an uh. It's a highly violent sport,

2397
02:09:58,720 --> 02:10:01,720
Speaker 3: but it's not an individual like in wrestling. If you're

2398
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:04,000
Speaker 3: not a very good wrestler, you're gonna you're you're just

2399
02:10:04,040 --> 02:10:07,440
Speaker 3: gonna be a failure at the sport in UFC or

2400
02:10:07,480 --> 02:10:10,400
Speaker 3: mixed martial arts of any sort in any league. If

2401
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 3: you're not very good at it, guess what, You're just

2402
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:15,000
Speaker 3: you're eventually going to wash out of the sport. And

2403
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,120
Speaker 3: it's it's gonna be on you and maybe your corner

2404
02:10:17,160 --> 02:10:20,080
Speaker 3: and your team, you know, the people who support you,

2405
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:23,680
Speaker 3: they'll maybe they'll drop off too. But on a football team,

2406
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:25,600
Speaker 3: you're relying on ten other guys on the field at

2407
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:29,040
Speaker 3: the same time to help you have success. So there's

2408
02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:31,640
Speaker 3: a huge level of reliance. That's the reason why there's

2409
02:10:31,640 --> 02:10:34,640
Speaker 3: always so many military comparisons, and I roll my eyes

2410
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:37,200
Speaker 3: at it because the stakes are so much higher for

2411
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:41,480
Speaker 3: our military armed forces that it doesn't even compare really,

2412
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:46,200
Speaker 3: But you are relying on people in physical combat. That's

2413
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:50,520
Speaker 3: what football is, and so Like I said, there's there's

2414
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:53,440
Speaker 3: a line when it becomes bullying. There's a line when

2415
02:10:53,480 --> 02:10:57,320
Speaker 3: you're assaulting people. There's a line when it becomes sexual

2416
02:10:57,400 --> 02:10:59,960
Speaker 3: in any nature. I don't know why it ever crosses

2417
02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:03,640
Speaker 3: that line. That's bizarre, but there is a line, and

2418
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:05,960
Speaker 3: it needs to be respected, and the people who are

2419
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:08,560
Speaker 3: at the top of those programs need to be held accountable.

2420
02:11:09,200 --> 02:11:11,520
Speaker 3: That's that's the reality of being a head coach. I

2421
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:14,560
Speaker 3: don't care if Pat Fitzgerald says I had no awareness

2422
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:17,600
Speaker 3: that this was going on. You're the head coach with

2423
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:20,160
Speaker 3: the crown comes the responsibility.

2424
02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:23,320
Speaker 2: And by the way, this is Northwestern in which fashions

2425
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:26,680
Speaker 2: itself as like an IVY League school within the Big Ten. Sure,

2426
02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:30,120
Speaker 2: sure it is the premier academic institution.

2427
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 3: But don't think for a second that there's no hazing

2428
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:36,680
Speaker 3: at Harvard. Don't think for a second that there aren't

2429
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:41,800
Speaker 3: secret societies at IVY. Trust me when I tell you

2430
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:44,840
Speaker 3: that stuff's going on in those places too. Yes, it's

2431
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:48,240
Speaker 3: it's just a part. We do it in our everyday lives.

2432
02:11:48,440 --> 02:11:49,720
Speaker 2: PATHA cheryl will be fired.

2433
02:11:49,960 --> 02:11:51,920
Speaker 3: Should he be fired? Do you think he should be fired?

2434
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:55,600
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, I'm asking you First, I don't want

2435
02:11:55,640 --> 02:11:58,840
Speaker 2: anyone to be fired, but I think that a two

2436
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:01,480
Speaker 2: week suspension in the off season in July is not

2437
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:06,280
Speaker 2: exactly like you said. Even if he had no knowledge,

2438
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:09,080
Speaker 2: you should have knowledge. Yes, you're my coach of the

2439
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:10,879
Speaker 2: you oversee that program.

2440
02:12:11,160 --> 02:12:13,240
Speaker 3: This is what I think should happen. I think that

2441
02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:16,320
Speaker 3: they should call in a third a third party. They

2442
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:19,480
Speaker 3: should have a full investigation. I think that they should

2443
02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 3: They should get more than just one source, because I mean,

2444
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:27,600
Speaker 3: sometimes people have an axe to grind, and sometimes people

2445
02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:29,960
Speaker 3: will make things up. I'm not saying that's the case

2446
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,640
Speaker 3: here with this whistleblower, but I'm saying I would want

2447
02:12:32,680 --> 02:12:35,560
Speaker 3: corroborative sources. I would want to hear this from more

2448
02:12:35,600 --> 02:12:37,640
Speaker 3: than one person. I would want to hear this from

2449
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:39,600
Speaker 3: multiple people. I would want to know if it was

2450
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:42,080
Speaker 3: worse than was being reported. I would want to know

2451
02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:45,959
Speaker 3: who exactly was involved, if any coaches were ever involved,

2452
02:12:46,120 --> 02:12:48,560
Speaker 3: how long this has been going on, did this culture

2453
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:51,760
Speaker 3: exist prior to Pat Fitzgerald taking over the football program.

2454
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,360
Speaker 3: I would want to know answer to all those questions

2455
02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:57,760
Speaker 3: before I could effectively levy any punishment to the program

2456
02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:59,840
Speaker 3: or to the head of the program. Who is PAF

2457
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:02,200
Speaker 3: five Fitzgerald. So I don't know if he should be fired.

2458
02:13:02,280 --> 02:13:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if he should be suspended two weeks

2459
02:13:04,240 --> 02:13:07,000
Speaker 3: or two months. We don't have enough information yet. Here's

2460
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:07,680
Speaker 3: what I do know.

2461
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:12,120
Speaker 2: At Fitzgerald sign a ten year, fifty seven million dollar

2462
02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:16,200
Speaker 2: contract in twenty twenty one that ties him to the

2463
02:13:16,280 --> 02:13:17,640
Speaker 2: university through twenty thirty.

2464
02:13:17,960 --> 02:13:19,520
Speaker 3: That's a long time, folks.

2465
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:23,720
Speaker 2: So he signed a ten year, fifty seven million dollar contract.

2466
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:28,680
Speaker 2: With that comes a responsibility. I guarantee you there's no

2467
02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:32,160
Speaker 2: professor at Northwestern that has a tenure fifty seven million

2468
02:13:32,200 --> 02:13:33,000
Speaker 2: dollar contract.

2469
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:33,280
Speaker 3: All right.

2470
02:13:33,680 --> 02:13:36,320
Speaker 2: Coming up on the other side, we're still talking about Wimby.

2471
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:40,000
Speaker 2: Uh yes, Wemby. He made his debut. But there's another

2472
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:46,680
Speaker 2: NBA player similar age who may be better and more

2473
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:49,680
Speaker 2: dominant in the NBA who you're gonna tell you? Yeah,

2474
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:53,000
Speaker 2: keep it here. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin

2475
02:13:53,120 --> 02:13:56,320
Speaker 2: and Rich Hornberger Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from

2476
02:13:56,400 --> 02:14:00,640
Speaker 2: theentirerack dot com studios. I'm gonna make a prediction right now.

2477
02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it?

2478
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:08,520
Speaker 2: When this season is set and done in the NBA,

2479
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:13,280
Speaker 2: the near unanimous choice for Rookie of the Year is

2480
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 2: going to be a big man. He's tall, skinny, but

2481
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 2: he's going to have a dominant rookie season. And it's

2482
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:28,840
Speaker 2: not Victor wembin Yama. No, it's going to be someone

2483
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:32,320
Speaker 2: you may have forgotten about, and that is chet Holmgrid.

2484
02:14:33,080 --> 02:14:37,440
Speaker 2: So two years ago, chet Holmgren was the most ballyhooed

2485
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:40,360
Speaker 2: high school player in the country, a string being of

2486
02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 2: a player who had those basketball skills that we were

2487
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:47,000
Speaker 2: talking about with Wimby. Oh yeah, crossover dribbles, he could

2488
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:50,240
Speaker 2: do all kinds of stuff. He ends up Againzaga, where

2489
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:54,560
Speaker 2: in his one season against Zaga, after a slow start,

2490
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:58,520
Speaker 2: he picked up ground, helped that team get deep into

2491
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:02,880
Speaker 2: the tournament and earned second team All American honors, and

2492
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:07,120
Speaker 2: then turned pro in his summer league debut. So you

2493
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:10,520
Speaker 2: saw Wemby the other night with his nine point two

2494
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:17,080
Speaker 2: for thirteen shooting performance in cheded Holmgren's first Summer league

2495
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:21,800
Speaker 2: game last year. He had twenty three points, seven rebounds,

2496
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:27,000
Speaker 2: four assists, and six blocks, and then he injured his

2497
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:31,200
Speaker 2: foot yep out for the season. Well, guess who's back.

2498
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:35,120
Speaker 2: Chet Holmgren's back and he's playing summer league basketball. And

2499
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:39,560
Speaker 2: I saw him the other night at least in the moment.

2500
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:44,080
Speaker 2: Based on what I saw from Wemby versus Holmgren, Hommegren

2501
02:15:44,160 --> 02:15:46,280
Speaker 2: is ahead of the curve. Now he's a couple of

2502
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:49,640
Speaker 2: years old, he's twenty one. Now he is still technically

2503
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:52,200
Speaker 2: a rookie because he never actually played last year. This

2504
02:15:52,240 --> 02:15:54,400
Speaker 2: is what happened to Blake Griffin. Remember he missed his

2505
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:56,800
Speaker 2: first year, didn't play, and then the next year.

2506
02:15:56,720 --> 02:15:59,400
Speaker 3: Was Rookie of the Year. It could be that this

2507
02:15:59,560 --> 02:16:01,720
Speaker 3: kid again.

2508
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:04,160
Speaker 2: Okayse He's not a great team, but they're better than

2509
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:07,720
Speaker 2: san Antonio. I think chet Holmgan is going to be

2510
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:10,640
Speaker 2: He's going to be the talk of the league. Everyone's

2511
02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:13,800
Speaker 2: gonna side. Everyone's been talking about Wembin Yama, but we

2512
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:16,280
Speaker 2: forgot about the guy that a year before we were

2513
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:20,440
Speaker 2: talking about as this incredible string being seven footer that

2514
02:16:20,520 --> 02:16:23,120
Speaker 2: can do so many things on the court. I saw

2515
02:16:23,160 --> 02:16:26,360
Speaker 2: them the other day with Holmgren, things I didn't see

2516
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:28,040
Speaker 2: at least in that first game for Wimby.

2517
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:34,840
Speaker 3: Well, here here's the thing. I know, Greg Popovich mm hmmm.

2518
02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:37,840
Speaker 3: I know what he's done at the NBA level. I've

2519
02:16:37,879 --> 02:16:41,640
Speaker 3: been impressed with his career as you have. I mean,

2520
02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:47,280
Speaker 3: I don't know Mark Daignault quite as well, but that's

2521
02:16:47,480 --> 02:16:52,160
Speaker 3: who Oklahoma City has as their head coach. I also

2522
02:16:52,280 --> 02:16:55,279
Speaker 3: know that I've watched Greg Popovich over the years develop

2523
02:16:55,400 --> 02:16:59,800
Speaker 3: stars and take teams to championships. And granted, some of

2524
02:16:59,800 --> 02:17:03,400
Speaker 3: the stars were ready made stars, like a Tim Duncan,

2525
02:17:03,640 --> 02:17:05,840
Speaker 3: but some of them weren't, like a Kawhi Leonard, who

2526
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:08,120
Speaker 3: had to learn the offensive game at the NBA level.

2527
02:17:08,520 --> 02:17:12,400
Speaker 3: Kawhi Leonard was a very polished defensive player, but he

2528
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:15,840
Speaker 3: needed to learn offense. He needed to learn a midrage jumper.

2529
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:20,640
Speaker 3: He became a devastating offensive participant, and I watched that.

2530
02:17:21,480 --> 02:17:23,600
Speaker 3: I watched that over the course of his entire career

2531
02:17:23,600 --> 02:17:29,160
Speaker 3: in San Antonio, and I'm not saying that Dagnall can't

2532
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:31,960
Speaker 3: do that with Chad Holmgren. I'm also not gonna say

2533
02:17:31,959 --> 02:17:34,120
Speaker 3: that Cheded Holmgren's going to turn into a bust, and

2534
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:35,959
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say that he's gonna be better because

2535
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:39,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've only ever watched Holmgren in Summer

2536
02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:41,959
Speaker 3: League games, the same as I've only ever watched Wemby

2537
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:45,680
Speaker 3: for a single game in a Summer League game. None

2538
02:17:45,680 --> 02:17:49,160
Speaker 3: of this means anything, but I do know that I've

2539
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:53,600
Speaker 3: watched Greg Popovich get the most out of budding stars

2540
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:55,800
Speaker 3: in the NBA over the course of a very long,

2541
02:17:55,879 --> 02:17:58,720
Speaker 3: heralded career, and for good reason, because he's a great coach.

2542
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:03,400
Speaker 3: So if I'm gonna throw if I'm gonna throw my

2543
02:18:03,560 --> 02:18:06,240
Speaker 3: money behind one player to have a long and great

2544
02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:09,000
Speaker 3: career just based on their coach and based on the

2545
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:12,680
Speaker 3: commitment that the organization has made to the coach, I'm

2546
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:17,760
Speaker 3: gonna throw it behind Victor Wemanyama because to me, stability

2547
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:21,320
Speaker 3: and culture are the two most important things when it

2548
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:24,600
Speaker 3: comes to a prospect. Think about how we talked about

2549
02:18:24,640 --> 02:18:27,160
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence last year. I'm talking about two years ago

2550
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:30,039
Speaker 3: when he was a rookie with Urban Meyer. What a

2551
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:33,760
Speaker 3: disaster that could have ruined him. And you know what,

2552
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:36,400
Speaker 3: we would have probably given Trevor Lawrence an excuse. We

2553
02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:39,880
Speaker 3: probably would have went, you know, yeah, like, yeah, it's

2554
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:42,680
Speaker 3: not panning out for him. But goodness gracious did he

2555
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:45,560
Speaker 3: have a bad culture that he inherited in Jacksonville. But

2556
02:18:45,640 --> 02:18:48,119
Speaker 3: thank God for Doug Peterson, it helped turn around his career.

2557
02:18:48,560 --> 02:18:51,760
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield didn't get that in Cleveland. Baker Mayfield had

2558
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:55,320
Speaker 3: Hugh Jackson. That was a disaster in Cleveland. Yeah, how

2559
02:18:55,360 --> 02:18:58,080
Speaker 3: many coaches did he have before he departed to Carolina

2560
02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:00,560
Speaker 3: and then to the Rams and now to Tampa Bay.

2561
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:03,600
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, don't get me wrong. Maybe Baker wasn't

2562
02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:06,480
Speaker 3: going to work out period. But if Baker went to

2563
02:19:06,680 --> 02:19:10,760
Speaker 3: the New England Patriots, or if Baker went to the

2564
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:13,520
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams, if they were ready to move on

2565
02:19:13,600 --> 02:19:16,280
Speaker 3: from golf and wanted to draft him instead of you know,

2566
02:19:16,760 --> 02:19:20,120
Speaker 3: trading for Stafford, I mean, would the results have been different?

2567
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:22,360
Speaker 3: I would I would say, yeah.

2568
02:19:22,400 --> 02:19:24,800
Speaker 2: Well, where I would differ with you on this argument

2569
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:29,359
Speaker 2: is this, you're basically tying a coach to the development

2570
02:19:29,360 --> 02:19:32,240
Speaker 2: of a young player. Sure, sometimes their talent is so

2571
02:19:32,280 --> 02:19:36,680
Speaker 2: supreme they can actually develop their talent in spite of coaching.

2572
02:19:36,920 --> 02:19:37,600
Speaker 3: That's true to me.

2573
02:19:37,720 --> 02:19:41,959
Speaker 2: We've seen great players that have had bad coaches. We've

2574
02:19:41,959 --> 02:19:45,720
Speaker 2: seen bad coaches elevate their stature because somehow they're tied

2575
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:47,760
Speaker 2: to a great player, no doubt, when they had very

2576
02:19:47,800 --> 02:19:50,760
Speaker 2: little to do anything with the development of player.

2577
02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:54,560
Speaker 3: Hang on a second, then special things happen like Bill

2578
02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:57,240
Speaker 3: Belichick pairs with a Tom Brady.

2579
02:19:57,000 --> 02:20:01,080
Speaker 2: Right, and if anything, he had had eighty six seasons

2580
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:02,240
Speaker 2: as a coach, five in.

2581
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:04,360
Speaker 3: Cleveland and won in in New England.

2582
02:20:04,360 --> 02:20:08,760
Speaker 2: He had had five losing seasons in six years before

2583
02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:11,880
Speaker 2: the two thousand and one season. That's not exactly screaming

2584
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:12,480
Speaker 2: Hall of fame.

2585
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:15,039
Speaker 3: Did he or did he not? Take Cleveland from an

2586
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:17,959
Speaker 3: absolute laughing stock to a playoff team during his time in.

2587
02:20:17,879 --> 02:20:20,360
Speaker 2: Cleveland took He had three losing years, then he had

2588
02:20:20,400 --> 02:20:22,240
Speaker 2: one winning year, and then he had a losing year.

2589
02:20:22,400 --> 02:20:24,600
Speaker 2: That was his five year run in Cleveland and his

2590
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:27,440
Speaker 2: first year in New England. They went from a team

2591
02:20:27,480 --> 02:20:29,280
Speaker 2: that had a winning record the year before to a

2592
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:29,959
Speaker 2: losing season.

2593
02:20:29,959 --> 02:20:32,240
Speaker 3: What was his record as a defensive coordinator? Well, then

2594
02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:33,440
Speaker 3: he was working under Parcel.

2595
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:35,480
Speaker 2: Come on, don't tie that coordinator because you know there's

2596
02:20:35,480 --> 02:20:38,480
Speaker 2: a lot of great A second hang on a secon failed, miserable,

2597
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:40,520
Speaker 2: but this one did go, but this one did not.

2598
02:20:40,600 --> 02:20:42,680
Speaker 3: We're talking about the greatest head coach of all time?

2599
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:45,520
Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about the winniest or near winning a

2600
02:20:45,640 --> 02:20:47,600
Speaker 2: head coach of allt Okay, is he the greatest coach

2601
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:48,080
Speaker 2: of all time?

2602
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:49,120
Speaker 3: Your splitting hairs on?

2603
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:49,360
Speaker 7: Not?

2604
02:20:49,800 --> 02:20:52,760
Speaker 3: Andy Reid worked on homegrown staff. Andy Reid was a

2605
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:55,360
Speaker 3: great coordinator he went on to be a great NFL

2606
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:57,560
Speaker 3: head coach with the Philadelphia Eagles, got a lot out

2607
02:20:57,600 --> 02:20:59,440
Speaker 3: of those teams, and then when paired with an elite

2608
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:02,200
Speaker 3: level court back, help develop him into the pro that

2609
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:04,840
Speaker 3: he is, and that's Patrick Mahomes and he's won multiple

2610
02:21:04,879 --> 02:21:09,000
Speaker 3: championships in Kansas City. Greg Popovich has a long standing

2611
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:14,040
Speaker 3: and well regarded career for building championship teams but also

2612
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:15,600
Speaker 3: developing play But he also.

2613
02:21:15,400 --> 02:21:18,400
Speaker 2: Had the timing being an executive with a Spurs organization,

2614
02:21:18,680 --> 02:21:21,119
Speaker 2: no doubt to put himself in the position of head

2615
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:24,840
Speaker 2: coach win David Robinson and then Dunck.

2616
02:21:24,920 --> 02:21:27,520
Speaker 3: However, are you arguing he's a great he's not a

2617
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:29,640
Speaker 3: great coach? Is that your argument?

2618
02:21:29,879 --> 02:21:32,000
Speaker 2: My argument is this, you were trying to make the

2619
02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:36,200
Speaker 2: argument that you question whether Chad Homeran would develop at

2620
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:39,840
Speaker 2: the same rate as a Wembam Nyama because you don't

2621
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:42,959
Speaker 2: know any dance about the five coach as opposed to

2622
02:21:43,080 --> 02:21:45,880
Speaker 2: what you call a proven coach.

2623
02:21:46,040 --> 02:21:48,240
Speaker 3: I said, if I were asked to put money on

2624
02:21:48,320 --> 02:21:51,280
Speaker 3: it to bet which player is going to have a

2625
02:21:51,360 --> 02:21:52,480
Speaker 3: more stable.

2626
02:21:52,280 --> 02:21:53,840
Speaker 2: Well, you can put your money on it. I'm not

2627
02:21:53,879 --> 02:21:56,640
Speaker 2: putting much, Okay, that's fine, And Listen, that's very different.

2628
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:02,680
Speaker 3: Is a proven set to his basketball team in program,

2629
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:05,040
Speaker 3: and they just gave him a five year contract. Victor

2630
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:09,879
Speaker 3: Wena the most recent can't miss prospect.

2631
02:22:09,879 --> 02:22:12,360
Speaker 2: We've had a few of those. Yeah, there's Noan Williamson

2632
02:22:12,440 --> 02:22:14,280
Speaker 2: was it can't miss too. And by the way, who

2633
02:22:14,400 --> 02:22:16,320
Speaker 2: was his head coach over the time in in in

2634
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:19,240
Speaker 2: New Orleans. But the reason can't name it because it's

2635
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:22,520
Speaker 2: not Greg Popovich. Yeah, here is the coach. The problem

2636
02:22:22,520 --> 02:22:23,959
Speaker 2: that he's only played one hundred and fourteen.

2637
02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:27,240
Speaker 3: Oh, there's other, There's there's other, there's other factors, the

2638
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:29,600
Speaker 3: injuries and all that. But my point is this, if

2639
02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:32,120
Speaker 3: Victor wen Benyama stays healthy, which by the way, chet

2640
02:22:32,120 --> 02:22:33,960
Speaker 3: Holmgren hasn't proved to be able to do as an

2641
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:34,600
Speaker 3: NBA has.

2642
02:22:34,840 --> 02:22:37,080
Speaker 2: But I'm saying right now in the moment, and by

2643
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:40,000
Speaker 2: the way, I'm gonna use your argument players, Zion Williams

2644
02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:42,920
Speaker 2: sin was a can't miss what's holding back injury?

2645
02:22:42,959 --> 02:22:46,160
Speaker 3: What has chet Holmgren already had injury? Yes, okay, so

2646
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:47,360
Speaker 3: my money's on the right horse.

2647
02:22:47,480 --> 02:22:51,400
Speaker 2: The onlyma on his first game is he was tired.

2648
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:57,120
Speaker 3: Tired, Well, he had aged nineteen. If you were if

2649
02:22:57,160 --> 02:22:59,280
Speaker 3: you and he seven man, if you were harassed by

2650
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:01,960
Speaker 3: the nineties pop star, you'd be tired too. I mean,

2651
02:23:02,040 --> 02:23:03,080
Speaker 3: he you saw the.

2652
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:06,400
Speaker 2: Believe did she actually think anyone around him would even.

2653
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:08,959
Speaker 3: Know who she is? Nobody is?

2654
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:09,400
Speaker 7: I mean?

2655
02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:13,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, she honestly believe like I'm Britney

2656
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:17,360
Speaker 2: Spears and like anyone would acknowledge having any idea who

2657
02:23:17,360 --> 02:23:19,600
Speaker 2: she is surrounded by Wemby.

2658
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:23,480
Speaker 3: How would Wemby know who hurt? Who she is? Oops?

2659
02:23:23,520 --> 02:23:27,039
Speaker 3: She did it guy exactly. It was unbelievable. I don't know.

2660
02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:29,400
Speaker 2: Let's find out what's trending right now. Now here's someone

2661
02:23:29,400 --> 02:23:32,840
Speaker 2: the every one knows. Like if Moncey were to come

2662
02:23:32,959 --> 02:23:36,320
Speaker 2: up from behind Wemby and Yama Yes to say hello, Yes,

2663
02:23:36,920 --> 02:23:39,360
Speaker 2: you would not be backhand. She would she would get

2664
02:23:39,400 --> 02:23:42,480
Speaker 2: the picture. I would guess, you're not going to believe

2665
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:44,200
Speaker 2: who's here? Moncey's here.

2666
02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:47,120
Speaker 3: She would get swung on and the arm of the

2667
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:50,720
Speaker 3: security guard would miss her by. Yeah, liked several feelts.

2668
02:23:50,760 --> 02:23:53,400
Speaker 6: I know I would just react and duck and not

2669
02:23:53,480 --> 02:23:54,759
Speaker 6: get hurting.

2670
02:23:55,360 --> 02:23:57,920
Speaker 2: You know they said that she hit herself. I didn't

2671
02:23:57,959 --> 02:23:58,400
Speaker 2: see that.

2672
02:23:58,440 --> 02:23:58,879
Speaker 5: I didn't think.

2673
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:01,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to show you the video though I thought it.

2674
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:03,360
Speaker 2: I mean I watched a video several times. It was

2675
02:24:03,440 --> 02:24:06,680
Speaker 2: obviously that someone brushed her a sw correct. I mean,

2676
02:24:06,680 --> 02:24:09,920
Speaker 2: there was no intent other than you're a very strange

2677
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:13,360
Speaker 2: woman that we have no clue who you are, and

2678
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:17,080
Speaker 2: we don't want you to touch right Wimby, right right.

2679
02:24:18,120 --> 02:24:20,480
Speaker 5: In front of other security of.

2680
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:24,680
Speaker 3: When she push like, I'm I'm Britney Spears. Let me

2681
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:25,080
Speaker 3: get to this.

2682
02:24:25,120 --> 02:24:27,760
Speaker 6: Obviously they know who she was, and I can only

2683
02:24:27,800 --> 02:24:29,640
Speaker 6: imagine that it didn't go as.

2684
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:32,160
Speaker 5: Bad because she was a girl, because she cut through

2685
02:24:32,480 --> 02:24:33,960
Speaker 5: some of the guys. You could tell.

2686
02:24:34,360 --> 02:24:36,240
Speaker 2: But as far as her, I'm going to show you

2687
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:39,120
Speaker 2: the hit by Wimby or hitting herself.

2688
02:24:39,160 --> 02:24:41,039
Speaker 3: Now watch this. I'm gonna slow it down for you.

2689
02:24:41,080 --> 02:24:43,400
Speaker 3: Here we go, and this is the moment of contact you.

2690
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:46,600
Speaker 3: So here comes the arm. You see where her arm is.

2691
02:24:48,959 --> 02:24:54,039
Speaker 3: Her arm gets smacked up and into her own face. Okay, back, do.

2692
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:56,440
Speaker 6: You see the emotion now, because I also I didn't

2693
02:24:56,480 --> 02:24:58,440
Speaker 6: notice it in just the regular vide to the left.

2694
02:24:58,959 --> 02:25:01,040
Speaker 2: But she's already worked her way through a couple of

2695
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:03,760
Speaker 2: like she's already pushed her way through a couple Oh no, no.

2696
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:06,960
Speaker 3: Yea, let me tell you, okay, even if it was

2697
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:10,400
Speaker 3: immediately discernible that this was Britney Spears, you would have

2698
02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:12,320
Speaker 3: no idea if your back was turned to her and

2699
02:25:12,320 --> 02:25:15,440
Speaker 3: all of a sudden somebody who apparently allegedly was speaking

2700
02:25:15,440 --> 02:25:16,800
Speaker 3: to him in an English accent.

2701
02:25:17,560 --> 02:25:20,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean you got somebody that is pushing her

2702
02:25:20,040 --> 02:25:23,480
Speaker 2: way through security to get to this guy.

2703
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:27,119
Speaker 3: Their reaction was which why there were no charges? Correct?

2704
02:25:27,320 --> 02:25:27,640
Speaker 5: Agreed?

2705
02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:31,440
Speaker 6: I agree with you right before you started the segment,

2706
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:33,040
Speaker 6: because I didn't know what you were going to talk about.

2707
02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:33,440
Speaker 5: You hit you?

2708
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:35,720
Speaker 6: You teased right, yes, And I told the fellas I

2709
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:37,279
Speaker 6: was like, I'm going to say this before.

2710
02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:39,440
Speaker 5: He starts talking. He's about to talk about chet Holmgren.

2711
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:41,720
Speaker 5: I'm calling it. He'll be the rookie of the year.

2712
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:45,400
Speaker 6: I literally said that, did you really before you started talking?

2713
02:25:45,720 --> 02:25:46,840
Speaker 3: Can I? Can? I? I want to.

2714
02:25:46,879 --> 02:25:50,120
Speaker 2: I want to get a trade proposal for you your clippers, okay,

2715
02:25:50,440 --> 02:25:53,400
Speaker 2: in order to get Damian Lillard. Okay, this is your

2716
02:25:53,440 --> 02:25:59,199
Speaker 2: trade Norman Palell, Marcus Morris, Senior, Terence Man a mere

2717
02:25:59,280 --> 02:26:01,000
Speaker 2: coffee and the future first.

2718
02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:02,680
Speaker 5: Round pick to get Damian Lillard.

2719
02:26:02,760 --> 02:26:08,000
Speaker 2: To get Damian Littler dollar Dame, you're giving up Norman Powell,

2720
02:26:08,280 --> 02:26:11,200
Speaker 2: that one Marcus Moore, Errence Man, a mere Coffee in

2721
02:26:11,240 --> 02:26:12,400
Speaker 2: a future first round pick.

2722
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:15,000
Speaker 5: Terrence Man and Norman Powell hurt.

2723
02:26:15,240 --> 02:26:18,600
Speaker 6: No, Marcus Morris, No, and a mere Coffee is young?

2724
02:26:18,600 --> 02:26:19,360
Speaker 5: You know he has potential.

2725
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:22,840
Speaker 2: How would you see assuming that Kawhi Leonard and Paul

2726
02:26:22,879 --> 02:26:25,800
Speaker 2: George have rarely been seen together on the court, right,

2727
02:26:26,040 --> 02:26:28,640
Speaker 2: actually showed up for a game with Damien, like the

2728
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:29,480
Speaker 2: three of them.

2729
02:26:29,400 --> 02:26:30,520
Speaker 5: Actually in the game.

2730
02:26:30,600 --> 02:26:33,800
Speaker 3: I think they may. I think Kawhi Leonard and Paul

2731
02:26:33,840 --> 02:26:35,599
Speaker 3: George may be the same person.

2732
02:26:35,640 --> 02:26:39,840
Speaker 2: Because I've never actually I've never been together or something.

2733
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:43,039
Speaker 3: Crazy numbers. I think they're actually one guy.

2734
02:26:43,240 --> 02:26:44,520
Speaker 5: That's Goodman.

2735
02:26:44,879 --> 02:26:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. It's Bruce Wayne and it's Batman. They

2736
02:26:47,879 --> 02:26:50,640
Speaker 3: are one in the same. I just made a trade

2737
02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:50,879
Speaker 3: for you.

2738
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:53,480
Speaker 5: I'm not against it. I'm not against it, but it

2739
02:26:53,480 --> 02:26:54,440
Speaker 5: wouldn't be I'm.

2740
02:26:54,320 --> 02:26:57,080
Speaker 2: Not the number he could actually pull that trade off.

2741
02:26:57,200 --> 02:27:00,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, I would not be totally against it.

2742
02:27:00,840 --> 02:27:02,560
Speaker 5: Real quick, guys, we're talking about hazing.

2743
02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:05,480
Speaker 6: Yes, I've been playing my whole life sports.

2744
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:08,120
Speaker 5: You know I experienced hazing. I also experience hazing when

2745
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:09,520
Speaker 5: I joined my sorority.

2746
02:27:09,959 --> 02:27:12,480
Speaker 6: Yes, and what they did to us, to all the

2747
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:16,160
Speaker 6: new girls we had. We had a huge story house

2748
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:17,640
Speaker 6: and we had like a like a den, like a

2749
02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:20,480
Speaker 6: separate room where we have our meetings. So they made

2750
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:22,240
Speaker 6: us all, you know, spend the night together, all the

2751
02:27:22,280 --> 02:27:24,119
Speaker 6: new girls, and they were like, everything's fine.

2752
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:25,920
Speaker 5: We knew nothing was gonna be fine.

2753
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:26,440
Speaker 3: We knew.

2754
02:27:26,920 --> 02:27:28,760
Speaker 5: So what they did, like I don't know. It was

2755
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:30,320
Speaker 5: like three in the morning, they had.

2756
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:33,960
Speaker 6: Frat guys come and just bang on the walls around

2757
02:27:34,120 --> 02:27:39,320
Speaker 6: our room where we were staying. It's scared, but Jesus

2758
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:44,080
Speaker 6: out of all of us, like it was so terrifying,

2759
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:47,160
Speaker 6: and yet we laugh about it now. Yeah, we think

2760
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:49,240
Speaker 6: about it, you know what I'm saying. Like we knew

2761
02:27:49,280 --> 02:27:51,320
Speaker 6: something was gonna happen, We didn't know what, you know

2762
02:27:51,360 --> 02:27:51,760
Speaker 6: what I mean.

2763
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:53,960
Speaker 3: And let me ask it was the outcome of this

2764
02:27:54,680 --> 02:27:56,640
Speaker 3: like something that scarred you for life? Or did it

2765
02:27:56,680 --> 02:27:58,720
Speaker 3: build lasting bonds with people who you really are?

2766
02:27:58,879 --> 02:28:01,720
Speaker 5: You know, we laugh about it. We still laugh about it, you.

2767
02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:05,160
Speaker 3: Know, somezing across the line. There's no doubt, there's there's

2768
02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:08,120
Speaker 3: but but to me, it's like alcohol, Yes, as long

2769
02:28:08,160 --> 02:28:08,800
Speaker 3: as if you do.

2770
02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:11,480
Speaker 2: It, certainly, any moderation is a gold nation and I'm

2771
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:12,920
Speaker 2: sure or forced.

2772
02:28:12,680 --> 02:28:15,680
Speaker 3: Consumption of alcohol. I was gonna say, just like alcohol,

2773
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:18,760
Speaker 3: just like hazing. I'm sure you guys handled your alcohol

2774
02:28:18,760 --> 02:28:20,760
Speaker 3: with moderation at the sorority house.

2775
02:28:21,200 --> 02:28:24,200
Speaker 6: Never over in for ever, of course, ever, no, no, no,

2776
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:27,160
Speaker 6: just some some people scream, maybe somebody you know, how.

2777
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:29,600
Speaker 5: To use the restroom unexpectedly. But that's the worst of it.

2778
02:28:29,800 --> 02:28:30,920
Speaker 5: That was the worst of it.

2779
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:33,840
Speaker 6: Let's go on to Major League Baseball because the Orioles

2780
02:28:33,879 --> 02:28:36,600
Speaker 6: are hot, fifteen to two against the Twins.

2781
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:38,160
Speaker 5: It's the bottom of the seventh inning.

2782
02:28:38,400 --> 02:28:40,840
Speaker 6: The last I checked, they had seven homers in this

2783
02:28:41,000 --> 02:28:41,920
Speaker 6: victory so far.

2784
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:44,280
Speaker 5: The Cubs and the Yankees were tied. Then it was

2785
02:28:44,280 --> 02:28:44,920
Speaker 5: the rain delay.

2786
02:28:45,000 --> 02:28:47,080
Speaker 6: Now they're back in a Chicago up six to four.

2787
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:49,640
Speaker 6: In the Bronx bottom of the eighth inning, the Ray

2788
02:28:49,720 --> 02:28:51,680
Speaker 6: snapped their seven game losing streak.

2789
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:54,800
Speaker 5: They beat the Braves ten to four. Was the final score.

2790
02:28:55,000 --> 02:28:57,520
Speaker 6: Cardinals and White Sox are currently tied at three apiece.

2791
02:28:57,560 --> 02:28:59,920
Speaker 5: Bottom of the ninth inning, and let's.

2792
02:28:59,720 --> 02:29:02,120
Speaker 6: See how well is it over Officially the Blue Jays

2793
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:06,440
Speaker 6: were losing, they went to extra innings, and it may officially.

2794
02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:06,640
Speaker 5: Be over all.

2795
02:29:06,680 --> 02:29:08,000
Speaker 6: They ended up coming out on top of the Blue

2796
02:29:08,040 --> 02:29:12,400
Speaker 6: Jays were losing to the Tigers, Denny Jensen hit a home.

2797
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:13,840
Speaker 5: Run in the ninth inning to tie the game.

2798
02:29:13,879 --> 02:29:16,360
Speaker 6: They officially beat the Tigers in ten innings, four to three,

2799
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:17,440
Speaker 6: and the Birds beat the.

2800
02:29:17,400 --> 02:29:18,560
Speaker 5: Reds one zero.

2801
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:21,320
Speaker 6: So now Milwaukee is one game back of Cincinnati for

2802
02:29:21,400 --> 02:29:23,720
Speaker 6: the top spot in the n L Central.

2803
02:29:24,360 --> 02:29:25,560
Speaker 5: Guys, it's been fun.

2804
02:29:26,200 --> 02:29:29,840
Speaker 2: It has been as always, Antia, I gotta share a story.

2805
02:29:29,879 --> 02:29:32,920
Speaker 2: So I actually, when I was at UCLA, I had

2806
02:29:32,959 --> 02:29:36,320
Speaker 2: no intention of ever joining a fraternity. But a buddy

2807
02:29:36,360 --> 02:29:41,320
Speaker 2: of mine and my band dire Need the Drummer, he

2808
02:29:41,400 --> 02:29:45,439
Speaker 2: and I found out about a fraternity that had actually

2809
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:49,760
Speaker 2: dissolved on the UCLA campus. And what intrigued us about

2810
02:29:49,800 --> 02:29:53,280
Speaker 2: this fraternity is the fraternity house that they had lived

2811
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:56,039
Speaker 2: in back in the day was the only frat house

2812
02:29:56,080 --> 02:30:00,120
Speaker 2: that was on Sorority Row. So Sorority Row is on

2813
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,879
Speaker 2: one side of the UCLA campus and the fraternity rows

2814
02:30:02,920 --> 02:30:05,360
Speaker 2: on the other side. So we found out more so,

2815
02:30:05,440 --> 02:30:09,640
Speaker 2: we called the national chapter of this fraternity to find

2816
02:30:09,640 --> 02:30:14,959
Speaker 2: out how can we reinstall this fraternity at UCLA. And

2817
02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:17,560
Speaker 2: so they said you had to have certain number of

2818
02:30:17,600 --> 02:30:21,080
Speaker 2: members right and everything else. So we're literally walking the

2819
02:30:21,120 --> 02:30:24,200
Speaker 2: campus picking out people that would never be considered for

2820
02:30:24,280 --> 02:30:28,120
Speaker 2: any fraternity anywhere, right, and like, how would you like

2821
02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:30,720
Speaker 2: to be in a frat? So we finally got all

2822
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:33,080
Speaker 2: the guys together. We got enough people together, and now

2823
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:36,000
Speaker 2: it's going to be the national people come in as

2824
02:30:36,040 --> 02:30:38,600
Speaker 2: they're going to, you know, bring us into the frat.

2825
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:40,800
Speaker 2: And so what they told us we were going to

2826
02:30:40,840 --> 02:30:45,039
Speaker 2: do was they give us these points about the fraternity

2827
02:30:45,959 --> 02:30:48,720
Speaker 2: and you had to memorize them, and then you were

2828
02:30:48,800 --> 02:30:51,560
Speaker 2: going to have a set amount of time to stand

2829
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:53,240
Speaker 2: in front of everybody.

2830
02:30:52,760 --> 02:30:53,320
Speaker 3: To say it.

2831
02:30:53,800 --> 02:30:55,960
Speaker 2: So we're all practicing, and we were told you were

2832
02:30:55,959 --> 02:30:58,440
Speaker 2: going to have like a minute to read, and so

2833
02:30:58,520 --> 02:31:00,680
Speaker 2: we really and it was you really had to know it.

2834
02:31:00,680 --> 02:31:02,280
Speaker 2: You had to memorize it to get it in in

2835
02:31:02,320 --> 02:31:04,760
Speaker 2: a minute. So they would bring us in one at

2836
02:31:04,760 --> 02:31:07,560
Speaker 2: a time. So I was like the tenth person into

2837
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:09,600
Speaker 2: the room and I can see the other nine guys

2838
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:13,000
Speaker 2: are all there, they've all passed, and I'm you know,

2839
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,360
Speaker 2: I'm a big memory guy anyway, so I'm just like,

2840
02:31:15,480 --> 02:31:18,080
Speaker 2: I got this like nothing. So I start rattling it

2841
02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:20,080
Speaker 2: off and all of a sudden, I'm about I still

2842
02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:22,560
Speaker 2: got another two or three points. They are like time,

2843
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:31,959
Speaker 2: and the guys are sitting there like, I'm like time.

2844
02:31:32,280 --> 02:31:35,039
Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, you're minutes up. You didn't make it.

2845
02:31:35,720 --> 02:31:39,800
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm like, and I got the other nine

2846
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:42,520
Speaker 2: guys who've been hanging out, and I'm like doing this

2847
02:31:42,600 --> 02:31:44,640
Speaker 2: walk of shit. Your excuse and I'm like doing this

2848
02:31:44,720 --> 02:31:46,959
Speaker 2: walk of shame. And just as I'm about to walk out,

2849
02:31:47,040 --> 02:31:50,840
Speaker 2: like now you're okay, man, we only gave you thirty seconds.

2850
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:54,400
Speaker 2: So as I got near the end and I was

2851
02:31:54,440 --> 02:31:57,640
Speaker 2: going faster, they said than anybody else, they had to

2852
02:31:57,640 --> 02:32:00,480
Speaker 2: cut it off to make sure I wouldn't finish. I

2853
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:04,800
Speaker 2: felt so devastated, but it worked, like yeah, and they

2854
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:07,000
Speaker 2: did it to every single person.

2855
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:07,959
Speaker 3: They did the same thing.

2856
02:32:08,120 --> 02:32:09,840
Speaker 2: Just when they thought they were about to get to

2857
02:32:09,879 --> 02:32:14,040
Speaker 2: the finish line, they would say time, and everyone else

2858
02:32:14,120 --> 02:32:16,600
Speaker 2: is sitting there like, oh dude, you're the only guy

2859
02:32:16,680 --> 02:32:17,520
Speaker 2: that didn't make it.

2860
02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:19,280
Speaker 3: I thought it was brilliant.

2861
02:32:19,360 --> 02:32:23,400
Speaker 2: It really worked good wellcause you felt like, yeah, I failed, Yeah,

2862
02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:28,039
Speaker 2: you know, and it was obviously harmless, but it sort

2863
02:32:28,040 --> 02:32:28,400
Speaker 2: of worked.

2864
02:32:28,400 --> 02:32:32,360
Speaker 3: Look, every team I played on made rookies sing or

2865
02:32:32,440 --> 02:32:36,240
Speaker 3: made rookies perform skits for the veterans. On the team

2866
02:32:36,400 --> 02:32:38,600
Speaker 3: or the upper classmen on the team and the coaches

2867
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:42,200
Speaker 3: and the staff and everybody, And it's humiliating, but like

2868
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:45,720
Speaker 3: you're doing it together as a group, and again, it

2869
02:32:45,840 --> 02:32:50,160
Speaker 3: helps establish bonds absolutely. You know, you go back and

2870
02:32:50,200 --> 02:32:52,280
Speaker 3: you talk to some of the guys that you were

2871
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:53,920
Speaker 3: with your rookie year, and all of a sudden, the

2872
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:57,720
Speaker 3: story comes up about the night before the rookie performance

2873
02:32:58,200 --> 02:33:01,360
Speaker 3: where you're all huddled together in a conference room at

2874
02:33:01,400 --> 02:33:04,920
Speaker 3: a residence in in Foxborough, Massachusetts, Like, what the hell

2875
02:33:04,959 --> 02:33:08,200
Speaker 3: are we gonna do to entertain these idiots? Like it?

2876
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:12,959
Speaker 3: It's it's a bonding thing. And there's there's no doubt that. Again, hazing,

2877
02:33:13,040 --> 02:33:16,960
Speaker 3: not all hazing's great. It's just it's just not all great.

2878
02:33:17,320 --> 02:33:20,520
Speaker 3: But when it's when it's effectively done and it's done

2879
02:33:20,560 --> 02:33:24,120
Speaker 3: with appropriate moderation, it can be a real positive to

2880
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:27,040
Speaker 3: your culture. Again, I mean, going back to what happened

2881
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:30,680
Speaker 3: in Northwestern I don't one hundred percent and nobody one

2882
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:33,640
Speaker 3: hundred percent knows what went down there. The reports aren't

2883
02:33:33,640 --> 02:33:37,640
Speaker 3: looking good though. That whistleblower account is not is not

2884
02:33:37,760 --> 02:33:41,360
Speaker 3: a glowing account. But if there's more to this story,

2885
02:33:41,360 --> 02:33:43,960
Speaker 3: I'd like to hear it before jumping to conclusions.

2886
02:33:43,959 --> 02:33:45,560
Speaker 2: All right, we gotta bring us a play of the

2887
02:33:45,640 --> 02:33:47,760
Speaker 2: day kind of we'll put a rap on this edition

2888
02:33:47,959 --> 02:33:52,760
Speaker 2: of Fox Sports Sunday to two. Swinging the ball hit

2889
02:33:52,800 --> 02:33:54,640
Speaker 2: off the end of the bat to left center field,

2890
02:33:54,959 --> 02:33:57,199
Speaker 2: over and back is Harri's.

2891
02:33:56,800 --> 02:33:58,119
Speaker 3: To the wall gone.

2892
02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:02,879
Speaker 2: That's Raise Radio Network. What a year it's been for

2893
02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:05,879
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2899
02:34:23,600 --> 02:34:26,879
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. We cannot do the show alone. We

2900
02:34:26,959 --> 02:34:30,199
Speaker 2: get an insane amount of help from everyone here. Chris

2901
02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:34,320
Speaker 2: on the board doing the full show. Full show, Chris,

2902
02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:36,160
Speaker 2: because a lot of times we see you for an

2903
02:34:36,200 --> 02:34:39,240
Speaker 2: hour or two hours, and full full four incredible.

2904
02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:43,520
Speaker 3: How was it incredible? For Yeah, it was a unique experience. Yes,

2905
02:34:44,080 --> 02:34:44,320
Speaker 3: like that.

2906
02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:47,959
Speaker 2: That's a very welcome, benign answer. And that's perfect unique

2907
02:34:47,959 --> 02:34:50,280
Speaker 2: and insane.

2908
02:34:48,360 --> 02:34:51,800
Speaker 3: Pop so I don't get fined thing. It was a

2909
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:56,240
Speaker 3: it was an illuminating time period of my life.

2910
02:34:56,800 --> 02:35:01,360
Speaker 2: Yes, something I will never forget. I haven't even checked

2911
02:35:01,360 --> 02:35:04,039
Speaker 2: my Twitter account as we thank a Mansi for her

2912
02:35:04,120 --> 02:35:05,080
Speaker 2: immense contribution.

2913
02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:07,600
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, they've been talking about her the entire shows. Yeah,

2914
02:35:07,640 --> 02:35:11,200
Speaker 3: that's that's pretty standard. Yeah show. Yeah, which is good.

2915
02:35:11,320 --> 02:35:15,520
Speaker 3: That's a good thing. Monsi. We are second and third banana.

2916
02:35:15,800 --> 02:35:17,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, at least we're all bananas.

2917
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Do you have any days off?

2918
02:35:22,000 --> 02:35:28,240
Speaker 5: I think I have Tuesday. No, no, Wednesday. Wednesday might

2919
02:35:28,280 --> 02:35:29,080
Speaker 5: be a off day.

2920
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:33,560
Speaker 3: That means she's not. She's working on Wednesday as well.

2921
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:35,640
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I can't. I don't think so. I have

2922
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:37,800
Speaker 5: to think about hearing the Dodgers guys. It's also two

2923
02:35:37,800 --> 02:35:38,560
Speaker 5: different schedules.

2924
02:35:38,560 --> 02:35:40,560
Speaker 3: She is also she's lying to us, and she's a

2925
02:35:40,600 --> 02:35:41,080
Speaker 3: known liar.

2926
02:35:42,879 --> 02:35:45,240
Speaker 2: What is this about a party in the Hamptons that

2927
02:35:45,280 --> 02:35:45,560
Speaker 2: you ever?

2928
02:35:46,959 --> 02:35:49,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, we weren't invited to probably like the hottest

2929
02:35:49,879 --> 02:35:50,760
Speaker 6: party of the summer.

2930
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:52,279
Speaker 5: But it's fine. No, it's fine.

2931
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:54,320
Speaker 6: They were saying you guys were salty, and I responded,

2932
02:35:54,360 --> 02:35:55,879
Speaker 6: I was like, I think I'm the salty one.

2933
02:35:56,360 --> 02:35:57,240
Speaker 3: I'm not being invited.

2934
02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have a story of Sharre Layer.

2935
02:36:01,520 --> 02:36:03,000
Speaker 3: We'll both save it for another day.

2936
02:36:03,840 --> 02:36:07,480
Speaker 2: And of course Bo is our brilliant producer here that Hey,

2937
02:36:07,520 --> 02:36:10,840
Speaker 2: I want to ask you, guys, is anybody like committed

2938
02:36:10,879 --> 02:36:12,600
Speaker 2: to watching the Baseball All Star Game?

2939
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:12,920
Speaker 1: Oh?

2940
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:15,840
Speaker 5: Dude, yeah, yeah, especially the home run derby.

2941
02:36:16,040 --> 02:36:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not talking about the homeown I'm talking about

2942
02:36:19,080 --> 02:36:19,920
Speaker 2: the actual game.

2943
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:22,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch every minute of it. Yeah, I watch

2944
02:36:22,959 --> 02:36:23,680
Speaker 3: parts of the game.

2945
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:24,480
Speaker 5: I'll watch.

2946
02:36:24,959 --> 02:36:27,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll watch it. I'll watch for like I.

2947
02:36:27,240 --> 02:36:30,240
Speaker 2: Like the introductions, although for I mean seriously, I mean

2948
02:36:30,240 --> 02:36:33,960
Speaker 2: there's probably I'm looking at these updated rosters with all

2949
02:36:34,040 --> 02:36:36,920
Speaker 2: the substitution. I mean, there is a good fifteen to

2950
02:36:36,920 --> 02:36:40,640
Speaker 2: twenty guys right right that I would never be.

2951
02:36:40,600 --> 02:36:42,320
Speaker 3: Able to pick out. Am I am going to have

2952
02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:44,760
Speaker 3: literally no idea. One of my favorite games, which is

2953
02:36:45,080 --> 02:36:48,800
Speaker 3: name an All Star? Oh and it's and it gets

2954
02:36:48,879 --> 02:36:51,039
Speaker 3: really tricky, really fast, and.

2955
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:54,040
Speaker 6: You take a drink every time you don't know, yeah

2956
02:36:54,040 --> 02:36:55,680
Speaker 6: who is that All Star?

2957
02:36:56,160 --> 02:36:58,199
Speaker 3: And you're not allowed to look at the little chevron

2958
02:36:58,240 --> 02:36:59,800
Speaker 3: at the bottom of the screen. You have to just

2959
02:37:00,120 --> 02:37:03,520
Speaker 3: get the picture and name that player. Yeah, I mean, look,

2960
02:37:04,160 --> 02:37:07,760
Speaker 3: what's absurd is in the NFL people wear helmets, and

2961
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:11,959
Speaker 3: people know more NFL players than they do baseball players.

2962
02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:14,800
Speaker 2: I used to cover the All Star Game, you know,

2963
02:37:14,920 --> 02:37:18,120
Speaker 2: for radio pretty much every year, and then I remember

2964
02:37:18,160 --> 02:37:20,560
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four, we were in Houston for

2965
02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:22,879
Speaker 2: the All Star Game, and I'm down on the field

2966
02:37:22,920 --> 02:37:25,760
Speaker 2: during the home run derby, and I'm looking around and

2967
02:37:25,879 --> 02:37:28,920
Speaker 2: literally realizing there are guys I have no idea who

2968
02:37:28,920 --> 02:37:32,320
Speaker 2: they are that are wearing some kind of All Star jersey.

2969
02:37:32,480 --> 02:37:34,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I see Jeter, and I see a Rod,

2970
02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, I see the usuals. And then I'm like,

2971
02:37:37,160 --> 02:37:40,080
Speaker 2: those batting helmets hide a lot of hair sometimes, oh yeah,

2972
02:37:40,120 --> 02:37:42,560
Speaker 2: like sometimes like even more than a football helmet. I

2973
02:37:42,600 --> 02:37:45,400
Speaker 2: don't know how it's possible, but like when I think

2974
02:37:45,440 --> 02:37:48,000
Speaker 2: of when I first saw Miguel Cabrera without a batting helmet,

2975
02:37:48,040 --> 02:37:51,039
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, oh, his hair is kind of curly. Yeah, okay,

2976
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:53,240
Speaker 2: that's And then some guys will take off the batting

2977
02:37:53,280 --> 02:37:56,160
Speaker 2: helmet and just the locks will fall out, yeah, or

2978
02:37:56,280 --> 02:37:59,560
Speaker 2: they're covering Harmon Killerbrew one of the greatest home run

2979
02:37:59,600 --> 02:38:00,840
Speaker 2: hitters history of baseball.

2980
02:38:00,879 --> 02:38:02,960
Speaker 3: He was one of my favorite players with the Twins.

2981
02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:06,400
Speaker 2: I never saw him without a cap and the one

2982
02:38:06,440 --> 02:38:09,360
Speaker 2: time I saw him, like, like, this guy is completely bald,

2983
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:12,240
Speaker 2: Like he has no hair and he's like twenty five

2984
02:38:12,320 --> 02:38:13,879
Speaker 2: years old and he's completely bald.

2985
02:38:14,120 --> 02:38:16,000
Speaker 3: He didn't really affect me. It was just like, my

2986
02:38:16,160 --> 02:38:19,760
Speaker 3: question is when when George Jung, Yes of the Texas

2987
02:38:19,879 --> 02:38:24,000
Speaker 3: Rangers thanks to the place, So are you are you

2988
02:38:24,040 --> 02:38:25,560
Speaker 3: gonna be able to contain your excitement?

2989
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:28,480
Speaker 9: One of my most favorite curses in all of sports

2990
02:38:28,560 --> 02:38:31,240
Speaker 9: is the Curse of Colonel Sanders over in Japan, and

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Speaker 9: it stems from basically like they couldn't tell Randy Bass

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Speaker 9: from a from a statue of Colonel Sanders and that, Like,

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Speaker 9: I think this is a problem as long as baseball

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Speaker 9: has been around. For whatever reason, we just don't know

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Speaker 9: guys faces, No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Chris, are you going to be flabbergasted when

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Speaker 3: Jonaheim gets his first a bat.

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Speaker 2: Is heard of him? He's the start, He's the starting

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Speaker 2: catch here. No, he's a ranger, Okay, the Nias was

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Speaker 2: a Ranger, right, He is a Texas Ranger. By the way,

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Speaker 2: you know he's having an amazing comeback. Managerial year is

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Speaker 2: Bruce Bochie?

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you first place, when when when Framber

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Speaker 3: Valdez yes, comes out Framber Valdez actually probably okay, But

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Speaker 3: when he comes out, you're gonna know him by fair.

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Speaker 3: I think he's been.

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Speaker 2: He did, he did, he he bowed out because he

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Speaker 2: pitched five days before the game, and he cannot be

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Speaker 2: bothered by being I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited. Yeah, So you're gonna be watching every minute.

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Speaker 3: I know your boys will be there huddled up with dad.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna just be taking out our baseball cards and

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Speaker 3: are what do they call him, our our non fungible token.

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Speaker 2: You know, you and your wife and great athletes. I

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Speaker 2: can't wait to talk about the athletic future of both

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Speaker 2: your sons.

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Speaker 3: We'll do that.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday,