Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever, and I heard
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison. Welcome to another dramatic week. A week where
Speaker 1: I wasn't exactly sure what the big topics and big
Speaker 1: headlines we're gonna be, and then it turned out maybe
Speaker 1: the most dramatic headline of the week involve me. Caitlin
Speaker 1: Bristow went on a podcast and talked about our friendship
Speaker 1: deteriorating and how I essentially ghosted her. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to talk about this, but there's only one
Speaker 1: way to do it. Caitlin Bristow is going to join
Speaker 1: me because we have a lot to talk about, but
Speaker 1: we have a lot of other dramatic headlines to get to.
Speaker 1: My beautiful fiance, Laurenzima is here with me. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: has retired again after twenty three years in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The forty five year old says, this time it is
Speaker 1: for real and it's for good. And on that point,
Speaker 1: I totally believe um that this is it. At forty
Speaker 1: five years old, he is done. Well. The reason we
Speaker 1: wanted to bring this up because you know, the most
Speaker 1: dramatic headlines will be about the relationship headliness. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he would never do that to me or to the
Speaker 1: wonderful listeners at home. But even I am invested in
Speaker 1: this right because when Tom Brady first announced his retirement,
Speaker 1: pretty quickly his relationships seemed to fall apart. And then
Speaker 1: we found out that he and Gazelle bunch in after
Speaker 1: many years together, we're getting a divorce, which is always sad,
Speaker 1: is always hard. Um. And then now when he announces
Speaker 1: his second retirement, I turned to you and said, was
Speaker 1: it worth it? And it's really interesting to me how people,
Speaker 1: and maybe there's a difference in men women, you know,
Speaker 1: your relationship status, how you react to this news. Because
Speaker 1: my first reaction when hearing okay, so after all that,
Speaker 1: you know, he was only retired the first time for
Speaker 1: a weeks and he goes back as another season plays
Speaker 1: poorly right or poorly? Was not good? Okay? Um? And
Speaker 1: then now he's officially going to retire once again. So
Speaker 1: one more season, one more mediocre season by his standards. Anyway,
Speaker 1: was it worth it? I have two bizarre schools of thought,
Speaker 1: and it's funny that your mind went there. My mind
Speaker 1: went to when he immediately retired last time last year,
Speaker 1: and the f t X crypto thing came out. I
Speaker 1: think two things are at play here. One I think
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was he was a big advisor and part
Speaker 1: of the f t X scandal, this crypto scandal. I
Speaker 1: think he lost tens of millions of dollars. And my
Speaker 1: first thought was, Oh, he and his agents had to
Speaker 1: get him back because he lost so much money, and
Speaker 1: it would also kind of turn the tide on any
Speaker 1: PR problems. But when he retired this time, my first
Speaker 1: thought was, you know what he did last year. He
Speaker 1: went back to be with his boys. It was therapy
Speaker 1: for him. And I don't believe and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know Giselle, I don't know Tom. I've never
Speaker 1: met either one of them, but I find it hard
Speaker 1: to believe that he unretired and then you know, a
Speaker 1: month later, that's what tore their relationship apart, and that's
Speaker 1: what caused the divorce. Maybe it was the straw that
Speaker 1: broke the camel's back, but I can't imagine that is
Speaker 1: what really blew it up from the start. So my
Speaker 1: thought was Tom knew they were headed this direction. They
Speaker 1: probably had already started the proceedings and separating their lives.
Speaker 1: And for a guy, I think it was his therapy.
Speaker 1: It was I need to go back and belong to something.
Speaker 1: I can't just get a divorce and not have my job,
Speaker 1: not have my locker room, not have my boys. So
Speaker 1: I think it was more therapeutic and cathartic that he
Speaker 1: went back knowing he was getting a divorce. I have
Speaker 1: nothing scientific to debate this on. Just as a man,
Speaker 1: I could see that's why he may have done it. Well,
Speaker 1: that's interesting and looks certainly, if one major area of
Speaker 1: your life is falling apart your relationship, you don't want
Speaker 1: your career to be falling apart two. But I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I certainly don't think the divorce.
Speaker 1: They must have been having problems for a while, and
Speaker 1: there were rumors about that for a while. But you know,
Speaker 1: she has kind of set in interviews, I I what
Speaker 1: she has said. Her own words were that she kind
Speaker 1: of needed him to show her that the family was
Speaker 1: a priority. She needed him to set football aside, and
Speaker 1: he wasn't willing to do that. What my read on it,
Speaker 1: more so was I I think when you have someone
Speaker 1: in a relationship who's so passionate about their job. And also,
Speaker 1: I mean you're dealing with two people who are in
Speaker 1: the very top of their field, of the greatest in
Speaker 1: their field. Yeah, she is the highest. She either still
Speaker 1: holds the title or did hold the title for highest
Speaker 1: paid supermodel in the world. He's known as the goat, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's kind of the goat herself. Yes, to be referred
Speaker 1: to as go but yes, so Dad's dramatic dad joke
Speaker 1: of the week. Um, So, I think that you're dealing
Speaker 1: with two people who, in order to have a family,
Speaker 1: they had to both make sacrifices for their careers. I
Speaker 1: think she felt like she'd made more of the sacrifice
Speaker 1: and she was ready for him to do that, and
Speaker 1: he couldn't show her he could do that. And I
Speaker 1: mean that's the thing, though, if you can't walk away,
Speaker 1: then you have drawn that line in the sand. And
Speaker 1: when I but when I say was it worth it?
Speaker 1: I would be interested for him to give and I
Speaker 1: don't think he will, but I would like for him
Speaker 1: to give a very honest interview about it. Now. I
Speaker 1: do think it could have been worth it in that
Speaker 1: for any of us, whether it's a job or a relationship,
Speaker 1: I've said before, I have to know I put everything
Speaker 1: into this thing before I can walk away. And maybe
Speaker 1: for him, he had to play that final season and no,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think I can keep winning
Speaker 1: super Bowls every time, and and so he had to
Speaker 1: know time I'm done. And maybe maybe and you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to leave on top. Very few superstars have
Speaker 1: the ability to win and then walk away. And again, Hey, Tom,
Speaker 1: open invitation to come on the most dramatic podcast ever.
Speaker 1: I would love to talk to him. I will talk
Speaker 1: zero sports with you. Maybe we'll talk a little golf
Speaker 1: because he's a big golfer. Um. But I really want
Speaker 1: to know what was the impetus for coming back. Was
Speaker 1: it what Lauren is saying or was it more of, Hey,
Speaker 1: my life is falling apart, we are separating. I realized,
Speaker 1: now I can't say this marriage. I need to go
Speaker 1: back to at least something I can control. And you
Speaker 1: and I know this, and we've both been through divorces
Speaker 1: and we've been through something else that was pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 1: You want to hold onto something you can control, and
Speaker 1: football between the lines, he knew he could control, even
Speaker 1: going back to a team that wasn't that great, and
Speaker 1: he knew he wasn't gonna win the super Bowl, but
Speaker 1: at least he had control of that. When I was
Speaker 1: going through my divorce, I didn't tell anyone at work.
Speaker 1: No one at work knew that I was having marital problems.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew that anything was wrong. I just when it
Speaker 1: was happening, when we had definitely split. Then I kind
Speaker 1: of started to tell a few people. And in part
Speaker 1: that was because, you know, I mean, certainly, when you're
Speaker 1: thinking maybe we'll stay together, then you you don't want
Speaker 1: to tell everybody In case you stay together, UM, you
Speaker 1: don't want people to have that, you know, remember that
Speaker 1: it's hard for people to forget um. But it was
Speaker 1: more so that it was I was like, my personal
Speaker 1: life is struggling so much. I can't let this career
Speaker 1: that I've worked so hard for be affected too. I
Speaker 1: have to, like, I've worked so hard for this, this
Speaker 1: has to remain intact, and this part of my life
Speaker 1: has to be the same and a safe space where
Speaker 1: I can go just like you were, I would I
Speaker 1: would probably say I did the same thing, and most
Speaker 1: of mine was because, yes, I had to deal with
Speaker 1: the press of it all and being the joke and
Speaker 1: the talk of the town on the late night shows
Speaker 1: and stuff as the host of the Bachelor is getting divorced.
Speaker 1: I mean, the jokes right themselves, but I too wanted
Speaker 1: to at least control this environment. It was something I
Speaker 1: was good at. It was something that I was recognized for,
Speaker 1: and at least this part of my life I had
Speaker 1: peace while the rest of it was falling apart. And
Speaker 1: I maybe that's the way it was for Tom. Do
Speaker 1: you remember any of the late night jokes. I remember
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel, and I remember talking to Jimmy Kimmel about Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we are friendly, and I think he even
Speaker 1: texted me of like, hey, sorry, pal, you know just
Speaker 1: he reached out and I said, I totally get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was in the same position, I
Speaker 1: would be writing these jokes too. The doctor of Love,
Speaker 1: the guy who's known for love is getting a divorce.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it's pretty rich. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: talk about dad jokes. It's a layup, um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, open invitation to Tom, open invitation to Giselle.
Speaker 1: I would love to I really would love to talk
Speaker 1: to them on a very personal level, just about these relationships.
Speaker 1: Of when, when they knew what led to these decisions?
Speaker 1: What did him coming back force or did it at all?
Speaker 1: Was this already a foregone conclusion? A lot of questions
Speaker 1: that only two people know. Um, and if you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: if they want to go peacefully into the night, God
Speaker 1: bless them for that. Well, I saw a lot of
Speaker 1: people now saying, um, will they get back together? I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't think so. I think it's
Speaker 1: that ship is sailed, right. And she wrote something very
Speaker 1: nice on his Instagram announcement of retirement number two. She
Speaker 1: said something like, I wish you all the best in
Speaker 1: the future. I think that's done. What's your good saying
Speaker 1: about relationships? But they end for a reason, relationships and
Speaker 1: for a reason. And it's not to say some people
Speaker 1: get back together, I know, but usually things in for
Speaker 1: a reason. And that is true as as did this story.
Speaker 1: And so let's move on to our next headline. This
Speaker 1: is a surprise headline for you, a twist on Oh yes, well,
Speaker 1: we want to do a twist on the most traumatic
Speaker 1: headlines ever. We're going to surprise each other. This just
Speaker 1: the headline I found and and LZ doesn't know about this.
Speaker 1: I just found it fascinating. Not really the story. It's
Speaker 1: about actress Emily Raddikowski upon her divorce. I guess she's
Speaker 1: had two divorces, this one to Sebastian Bear mclard um.
Speaker 1: And she was asked about her wedding ring and wedding
Speaker 1: rings in general and dresses. And we had had this
Speaker 1: discussion last week. Is what made it come right to
Speaker 1: mine when we talked about the wedding dress and what
Speaker 1: do you do with it? Do you save it? Is
Speaker 1: it weird if your fiance new wife has her dress
Speaker 1: or old dress from a prior wedding and the same
Speaker 1: thing goes for rings. And she said, you know, I
Speaker 1: keep it. I still have my wedding ring. And I
Speaker 1: thought about you, and I'm like, I don't know where
Speaker 1: your wedding ring is. And I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: I bet Lauren doesn't know where my wedding ring is
Speaker 1: from my prior wedding. Do you have it? I don't
Speaker 1: know where it is? You haven't I do? Um. My
Speaker 1: wedding ring was something that was really I know they're
Speaker 1: all personal, but it was very emotional for me and
Speaker 1: tied to my family. It was a replica of my
Speaker 1: grandfather's ring, And you know what my grandfather meant to me, Um,
Speaker 1: and all of us seven grandchildren. I'm the youngest of seven.
Speaker 1: When we got married, we all had my grandfather's ring
Speaker 1: replicated and we all wear those. So that's what I had.
Speaker 1: And so I and my grandfather and grandmother were still
Speaker 1: alive when I got married. They're both gone now, God
Speaker 1: rest their souls. But I kept it because it's a
Speaker 1: tie to them, not necessarily to my wedding. But I
Speaker 1: keep it because every time I see it, it reminds
Speaker 1: me of my grandfather, who I admired as much as
Speaker 1: any man in my life, and the same thing for
Speaker 1: my grandmother. I never had a wedding ring, I could say,
Speaker 1: but it makes so much sense. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say anything disparaging, but it just seems to fit. Why
Speaker 1: why it's never gonna laugh? Yeah, why didn't you have
Speaker 1: a wedding ring? I you know, Well, honestly, I I
Speaker 1: had my engagement ring, and I really liked my engagement
Speaker 1: I loved my engagement ring, actually, Um, and I just
Speaker 1: didn't see the point in a wedding ring. I thought,
Speaker 1: I know, some people kind of style them and stacked
Speaker 1: them together and all that. But to be honest, I thought,
Speaker 1: we've spent enough money on the engagement ring. Why do
Speaker 1: I need a wedding ring. I've wondered if I'll get
Speaker 1: a wedding ring for you, and I, well, that's what
Speaker 1: I was just thinking. So right now, what you have
Speaker 1: on very beautiful ring. But I love my engagement so
Speaker 1: it's an engagement ring. So I see what you're saying,
Speaker 1: adding on the wedding band. Yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 1: change the way it looks. I love it exactly as
Speaker 1: it is. Okay, well, I think that's totally fine. By
Speaker 1: the way, if you want to do that, that's great. Um,
Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny, I thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: I had not thought. I've guys obsessed so much about
Speaker 1: the ring, and I wanted to get Laura in the
Speaker 1: right ring, and it was something that I was so
Speaker 1: worried about because she's very particular, and what are you
Speaker 1: talking about in a good way? And so I just
Speaker 1: I just wanted to you happy, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: be something you loved. Then I thought to myself, after
Speaker 1: reading this story with Emily Raddikowski, was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: also getting married. I haven't thought about getting totally forgot
Speaker 1: you were getting married. I forgot. I just forgot about
Speaker 1: getting a ring. I haven't. We haven't talked about it.
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about your right. But by the way, okay,
Speaker 1: is this to my point? How important is a wedding ring? Well,
Speaker 1: I think, to me, not really that important. Let's get tattoos.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it. Who was it either
Speaker 1: Wells or began tests the wedding tattoo? Um, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't do test one. They're very chic. I'm not
Speaker 1: as cool as Beyonce who dropped the Big World Tour.
Speaker 1: By the way, congrass Beyonce. But I think I would
Speaker 1: just go basic ring. Um if I did another one.
Speaker 1: I think I would like to have a ring. I
Speaker 1: think it's representative of our love and our commitment. Can
Speaker 1: I say there's something sexy about the idea of you
Speaker 1: in a wedding ring. I don't want to get weird
Speaker 1: on the podcast now, but I do like that it's
Speaker 1: there's some It's kind of like you like to wear watches.
Speaker 1: I think men don't wear that much jewelry, so it
Speaker 1: is just a nice successory to see. So I would
Speaker 1: like to see you in a wedding ring. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'll get a wedding ring again. I love
Speaker 1: my engagement ring, and hey, I'm a babe on a budget.
Speaker 1: I do think if it's not that important to you,
Speaker 1: you don't need to spend the money. You already have
Speaker 1: the engagement ring. It's okay. Um, so yeah that's interesting. Yes, wait,
Speaker 1: but you still haven't told me where your wedding ring is.
Speaker 1: It's in It's in my closet. Gosh, I've got to
Speaker 1: go through a little jewelry. You go through my stuff,
Speaker 1: plunny um, And honestly, you you may you may have
Speaker 1: seen it a million times and wouldn't even know because
Speaker 1: it's it's a lover's not. So you may have seen
Speaker 1: it because it does not look like a conventional wedding ring.
Speaker 1: And people used to ask me all the time on
Speaker 1: the show, because obviously I was married for the first
Speaker 1: chunk that I was doing the Bachelor Bacherettes, and people
Speaker 1: would ask, is that your wedding ring? What is that?
Speaker 1: And it was kind of a Celtic not a lovers
Speaker 1: not and that's what my grandfather had, and so I
Speaker 1: had one made pretty close to it a replica, and
Speaker 1: so it probably you've seen it and just didn't know. Well,
Speaker 1: now we got to see about a new wedding band.
Speaker 1: We should tell people when we're gonna get married soon.
Speaker 1: We should do a whole podcast about We will do
Speaker 1: a whole podcast. It needs more of a moment. Well,
Speaker 1: that leads me to the headline, I'm surprising you with
Speaker 1: relationship related headline, of course, one of the most dramatic
Speaker 1: headlines of the week. Ben Stiller and his lovely wife
Speaker 1: Christine have been married for years. They actually split up
Speaker 1: and got back together, but now they're back together speaking
Speaker 1: out of people being able to get back together, and
Speaker 1: she has revealed on her new podcast that they were
Speaker 1: both each there's rebounds in the very beginning that when
Speaker 1: they first started dating, they'd both gotten out of serious
Speaker 1: relationships and they didn't take their own relationship seriously because
Speaker 1: they were both rebounding. But now it's so interesting because
Speaker 1: they've been married, they've been together almost twenty years in total.
Speaker 1: So the question is is it a good idea to
Speaker 1: date someone who's on the rebound. I need a rebound
Speaker 1: spectrum because there's zero of Oh, I was just dating
Speaker 1: someone for a few weeks, a few months, whatever, It
Speaker 1: wasn't that serious. I'm on. You know you're on the
Speaker 1: rebound technically. Two. I was married twenty years, I have kids.
Speaker 1: I'm on winding a lot. Well. Part of the reason
Speaker 1: I picked this is because I think it's very applicable
Speaker 1: to you and I. We've said before, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you and I would be together if I was
Speaker 1: the first person you dated. I think you can move that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually I've never told this story. I actually apologized
Speaker 1: to the first person I started dating, and I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, I'm a red hot mess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be no didotist like the first date? Are you?
Speaker 1: He was pretty early on. I just said, you know, look,
Speaker 1: I I this is not going to go well. She
Speaker 1: stuck with it. Was, you know, in the cute, charming
Speaker 1: way that I can present things. But I just knew.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I had been married almost twenty years,
Speaker 1: two kids. I hadn't dated since the nineties, so things
Speaker 1: had changed quite a bit. Apparently I missed my twenties
Speaker 1: and thirties started dating in my forties, so very interesting.
Speaker 1: A whole new world presented itself to me and I
Speaker 1: just knew I needed time. I needed time, honestly to
Speaker 1: dive into my kids make sure everybody was okay, not
Speaker 1: because they needed it, because I needed to do that.
Speaker 1: That's that's the caretaker in me. So I was. I
Speaker 1: was pretty self aware that I was probably pretty messy. Well,
Speaker 1: there you go on the rebound spectrum. Yes you were.
Speaker 1: I was the twelve from zero to ten. I was
Speaker 1: the twelve on the spectrum. Well exactly, how are you? Well,
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep the focus on you for a minute.
Speaker 1: Let me let's circle back on me. I do think
Speaker 1: you needed to figure out dating again. Like you said,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. I mean, you got married very young.
Speaker 1: You're twenty two and so you had never dated after college.
Speaker 1: You'd never dated as an adult, right, Apparently going to
Speaker 1: Raiders of the Lost Dark no longer that great of
Speaker 1: a date. I love you've told me the story about
Speaker 1: how you had to realize that it was. It might
Speaker 1: have even come across weird to ask someone to pick
Speaker 1: them up. First of all, phone calls. I like to
Speaker 1: call people. I'm not a big Texter. I think it's
Speaker 1: just impersonal and things get lost in translation. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you call as you start dating. If you call
Speaker 1: a girl and you offered to pick them up for
Speaker 1: a date, you would have thought I was a serial killer.
Speaker 1: The first person I said, well, i'll pick you up,
Speaker 1: and there was this this long pause. She's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving him my address. Clearly her head was spinning,
Speaker 1: and she quickly came up with a lie, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be coming from here there work, I'll meet you there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay. So I asked another friend of mine,
Speaker 1: a girl. I said, Hey, did I just do something wrong?
Speaker 1: I called this person, I asked her out on a
Speaker 1: date at dinner date, and I was going to a place.
Speaker 1: I picked a place geographically kind to where she lived,
Speaker 1: and you would have thought I slapped her in public.
Speaker 1: It was just like it was so off putting. And
Speaker 1: then I learned and she's like, oh, yeah, we don't
Speaker 1: do that anymore because stalkers. You know, time podcast is
Speaker 1: ruined it for all of us. Well, I love that
Speaker 1: you're trying to be a gentleman, um, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: do think you you had to figure out how to
Speaker 1: date again, and there was certainly I think an element
Speaker 1: of you having to see what else was out there,
Speaker 1: Like if you and I had met each other then.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't know if you would have
Speaker 1: appreciated how great I am. I would not have No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have it. I'm glad that I went through
Speaker 1: the exercise I did of being alone living alone. I
Speaker 1: think that's important. By the way, um just finding out
Speaker 1: are you a dependent person? Are you an independent person?
Speaker 1: Do you like being alone? Can you be alone with
Speaker 1: yourself and enjoy your life and then you can add
Speaker 1: somebody to that, they don't become your life. So I
Speaker 1: think I was much healthier and ready. As you always say,
Speaker 1: you're always a huge proponent of life places, life experiences
Speaker 1: and moments, and it's about timing. Our timing was right, yes,
Speaker 1: But what's interesting is I was worried when we started
Speaker 1: dating that I was dating too soon after getting out
Speaker 1: of my marriage. I was worried that it was I
Speaker 1: was worried I needed to take more time for myself,
Speaker 1: and I remember kind of having this debate in my head.
Speaker 1: I dated. So I've been single for a matter of months.
Speaker 1: I'd kind of just gone on some dates with some
Speaker 1: other people, and then you and I went on our
Speaker 1: first date. And I remember thinking fairly early on I
Speaker 1: didn't take I also didn't take it very seriously fairly
Speaker 1: early on, I was like trepidacious. I also honestly thought,
Speaker 1: you know what's I gotta be careful about dating him.
Speaker 1: How will this affect my career? I don't want people
Speaker 1: to think that I'm just using him as a you know,
Speaker 1: for a moment. So we kept thinking secret for something
Speaker 1: like six months until we really knew it was serious.
Speaker 1: But I remember thinking early on, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I need more time on my own, but I also
Speaker 1: don't this guy is great, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want to let him go, Like is it worth?
Speaker 1: I wound up coming to the conclusion that you gotta
Speaker 1: take chances, you gotta go for it. And I knew
Speaker 1: how great you were, and so I couldn't let this
Speaker 1: wonderful man pass me by. UM. I also think I
Speaker 1: realized that, even though I was still a bit in
Speaker 1: the rebound phase, that my marriage had been unwinding for
Speaker 1: a while, and so it wasn't like I got out
Speaker 1: of something in this kind of shocking way. And I
Speaker 1: also wasn't married for as long as you were, so
Speaker 1: you know, I think I and I had dated in
Speaker 1: my twenties. I've had those single years, so I was
Speaker 1: I was still in a life place of wanting to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship. I wasn't like, I want to
Speaker 1: get out there and date. I had wanted to be
Speaker 1: in a relationship at that phase. So maybe it's also
Speaker 1: about what you're wanting. Are you wanting a rebound and
Speaker 1: you just want to have a little fun or are
Speaker 1: you wanting that relationship. I'm glad you made that choice.
Speaker 1: By the way, me too. Where we gotta get wedding rings? Gosh,
Speaker 1: Hall grows up another big dramatic headline, and we can
Speaker 1: finally put a pin in this story. Amy Robot t
Speaker 1: J Homes are out. At Good Morning America. It is official.
Speaker 1: They are gone. Statement released on a Friday night as
Speaker 1: all news that needs to get buried. Is he the
Speaker 1: trash on a Friday afternoon. You and I have talked
Speaker 1: about this so much because I think we've seen so
Speaker 1: much of our own struggle in Amy and t J's journey.
Speaker 1: Um and man, I will say, I just look at
Speaker 1: all this and I think, what a mess, What a
Speaker 1: mess of the way that this always handled Because it
Speaker 1: was something that ended up being in the press for
Speaker 1: months I don't think it had to be. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, now, I mean to me,
Speaker 1: these were two people very beloved, their ratings were good,
Speaker 1: they were doing well, and now ABC's got to start
Speaker 1: all over again, figure it out. I think it was
Speaker 1: all very poorly handled, and the damage control the source
Speaker 1: reporting on this was pretty fascinating. The leaks that were
Speaker 1: coming out um from the news room, from Exact A producers,
Speaker 1: from other producers, and that basically stated exactly what you
Speaker 1: were saying, that the morale in the news room and
Speaker 1: at ABC News is at an all time low, that
Speaker 1: this is something that should have lasted two days, and
Speaker 1: it lasted months and then ended up in a meltdown
Speaker 1: of epic proportions, and it's spawn out of control. There's
Speaker 1: a saying, if you stand for everything in life, you
Speaker 1: stand for nothing. I'm gonna invent a new saying. If
Speaker 1: you stand for nothing in life, you stand for nothing,
Speaker 1: and it causes an absolute mess. I just coined this
Speaker 1: phrase because of something I kind of went through, and
Speaker 1: I've watched what Amy and t J have gone through,
Speaker 1: and it's when people in positions of power leaders stand
Speaker 1: for nothing, they think they're being safe they're waiting to
Speaker 1: see which way the wind is blowing. What are people
Speaker 1: saying on social media? That's not leadership, And that is
Speaker 1: what created this void, that then created this mess, that
Speaker 1: then created what we have now where and I get
Speaker 1: the t J. You know, the the affairs that came
Speaker 1: up and all that they had no choice but to
Speaker 1: let him go. You mean, because it came out he'd
Speaker 1: had affairs with he had other affairs with supports, Yeah,
Speaker 1: allegedly and so and then. But Amy is kind of
Speaker 1: caught in the crossfire because she still has done nothing
Speaker 1: other than get in a relationship with t J. Holmes.
Speaker 1: But there's someone who was at work, yes, with so
Speaker 1: many equal clearly, but if you're read between the lines,
Speaker 1: what happened was a settlement was reached. Is it a
Speaker 1: fire able offense if you have a romantic relationship with
Speaker 1: someone who's you're equal at work? And what you're talking
Speaker 1: about standing for nothing or standing for something? I think
Speaker 1: that we all like to feel a sense of comfort.
Speaker 1: We like to feel like a decision and has been made,
Speaker 1: And the problem they had here was that no decision
Speaker 1: was made. Think about how much you hate being in
Speaker 1: a are we or aren't we in a relationship versus
Speaker 1: if someone would just break up with you. It's like,
Speaker 1: just dump me if you're gonna dump me, or let's
Speaker 1: stay We're gonna stay together and let's try to figure
Speaker 1: this out. The are we or aren't we? To me
Speaker 1: is worse because if you've gotten dumped, you can start
Speaker 1: moving forward. They were in this are we or aren't we?
Speaker 1: And I think the audience felt that, the public felt
Speaker 1: that their newsroom felt that, and people just want to know,
Speaker 1: are we standing by this or not? And I do
Speaker 1: think that if the decision had been made to support
Speaker 1: them and to say no, you know what, t J
Speaker 1: and Amy are going to stay on the air. We
Speaker 1: think they're both really good at their jobs and they're
Speaker 1: staying on the air, then I think the audience would
Speaker 1: have been we would have been Yeah. The biggest thing
Speaker 1: to me about this whole situation and it was a
Speaker 1: reminder out of a lot of what we've been through. UM.
Speaker 1: But I actually learned it years ago when I lost
Speaker 1: my dad. UM is that you can be at a company,
Speaker 1: at a brand, and it's in any industry. You can
Speaker 1: be there for decades. You can feel very connected to
Speaker 1: this company in this job but that relationship you and
Speaker 1: your company. At the end of the day, they are
Speaker 1: looking out for their bottom line, for their brand, for
Speaker 1: their bottom line, for their money, and you have to
Speaker 1: look out for yourself because as much as you might
Speaker 1: feel like work is your family, and we all spend
Speaker 1: so much time at work, right it's a huge part
Speaker 1: of our lives. There's a motion in that relationship, but
Speaker 1: it's still business and that company is still going to
Speaker 1: do what's best for them, and it's a good reminder
Speaker 1: of that. Three more headlines I want to get to
Speaker 1: that have to do with kind of Bachelor related headlines.
Speaker 1: Number one, first and foremost, Caitlin Bristow made some news
Speaker 1: last week talking about me in that I had ghosted
Speaker 1: her during her stant as host of The Batchelor Bachelor
Speaker 1: when she came in, when her ination came in. She
Speaker 1: did an interview on a podcast and it made headlines.
Speaker 1: It made a lot of headlines. My phone is blown up.
Speaker 1: I am going to dive deeper into this story and
Speaker 1: just a little bit as we bring Caitlin Bristow on
Speaker 1: for an interview and the two of us are going
Speaker 1: to dive into this. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: I want to congratulate former Bachelorette Claire Crawley, who got
Speaker 1: married to Mascot Sports CEO Ryan Dawkins. Congratulations Claire Um
Speaker 1: someone who has kind of been a part of the franchise.
Speaker 1: Was a part of the franchise for quite some time.
Speaker 1: She was on one Pablos season and and we brought
Speaker 1: her back as the bachelorette. Just always love Claire. She
Speaker 1: was always just one of those people that I wanted
Speaker 1: to find love, and I, you know, I thought we
Speaker 1: did on the show during that pandemic season where she
Speaker 1: was the batcherette. It obviously didn't work out, but it
Speaker 1: has now and she has found her help. Did you
Speaker 1: really think she found love on that season? I thought
Speaker 1: it was just crazy enough to work. I did, I
Speaker 1: really did. I did not. I thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's the pandemic. There are no rules, it's bizarre. Maybe
Speaker 1: this just will work. You thought that Claire and Dale
Speaker 1: were going to make You know, I'm a hopeless optimist.
Speaker 1: I am a big believer of when this happens, when
Speaker 1: things happened like this, I am all in. But she
Speaker 1: got married. By the way. A side note to this wedding.
Speaker 1: Her wedding dress was stolen from her car? Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? First of all, who steals a wedding dress?
Speaker 1: That's horrible. There's a special place in hell for someone
Speaker 1: who steals a wedding dress, right, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: So a couple of questions. If you see a wedding dress,
Speaker 1: you know what it is. What are you gonna do
Speaker 1: with it? What are you gonna take it to a
Speaker 1: pawn shop? Yeah, they're going to sell it? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: can you sell a wedding dress put on I don't know,
Speaker 1: Facebook market place? Of course you can sell a wedding dress.
Speaker 1: Well then I stand corrected on that, but still, but
Speaker 1: if we take the positive spin on it, I was
Speaker 1: really impressed by Claire's reaction. She said she just moved forward,
Speaker 1: She got another dress. She said, if it's meant to
Speaker 1: be this way, it'll be. And I thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that is the right outlook to have as a bride,
Speaker 1: because I've been to enough weddings and I've been in
Speaker 1: a wedding of my own at this point to know
Speaker 1: your wedding day is not going to go off a perfectly.
Speaker 1: There will be some kind of hitch and your happiness
Speaker 1: on that day hinges on whether you can go with
Speaker 1: the flow. I mean, sometimes there's a disaster, but on
Speaker 1: the little stuff go with the flow, and your wedding
Speaker 1: dress getting stolen and her going with the flow, I
Speaker 1: applaud Claire Crawley. Well, I think this shows that a
Speaker 1: she's in love and be she has grown tremendously because
Speaker 1: and I think Claire will back me up on this,
Speaker 1: if if something like this had happened while she was
Speaker 1: the bacherette, it would not have gone well. Oh. I
Speaker 1: think she would have been pretty upset and there would
Speaker 1: have been uh, some downtime in shooting while we figured
Speaker 1: this out. So you see some growth here. I see
Speaker 1: some growth. And I think it also just goes to
Speaker 1: when you're happy and you find peace in your life,
Speaker 1: you find peace in all of your life. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where she is. And I'm so happy for
Speaker 1: her and Ryan are congratulations. I still can't believe that
Speaker 1: you thought her and they were going to work. I'm
Speaker 1: proticing this, can I ask you really quickly. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he'll be honest about this. I know you're positive.
Speaker 1: I know you're an optimist who from the show got
Speaker 1: engaged and you are like I don't think this is
Speaker 1: going to work out. M hm. He doesn't always like
Speaker 1: to answer these questions. But I was trying to think
Speaker 1: of somebody that. I mean, I was trying to think earlier.
Speaker 1: I go early days for some reason. That's why I
Speaker 1: guess I start in chronological order and work my way up.
Speaker 1: I don't know as many of those as the opposite,
Speaker 1: where oh you thought it was really gonna I thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna work and it didn't work. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: could you look at you know, Ari and Becca? And
Speaker 1: I remember too with Ason Mesnick that ended up being
Speaker 1: in the Great Switch, just because there was so much
Speaker 1: confusion and so much emotion emotion going into those uh
Speaker 1: decisions Alex Michelle from season one. So just there was
Speaker 1: times when I thought, you know, are they fully committed
Speaker 1: to this? Um often it's the Bachelor's not the bachelorettes.
Speaker 1: Women are just better at this. You're better human beings.
Speaker 1: Men are not smart animals. Well that's the gauge too though, right.
Speaker 1: I always say this, I think the greatest indicator of
Speaker 1: a relationship success is effort. Like when you just said,
Speaker 1: as someone committed, is someone trying? Because if they're trying,
Speaker 1: that means they want to be there. If it's a
Speaker 1: quick indicator to me, if someone's not putting an effort,
Speaker 1: get out, because you can't make somebody care. Totally agree.
Speaker 1: Al Right, Well, anyway, congrats to Claire truly, she looks
Speaker 1: so happy and so beautiful, and she is somebody who
Speaker 1: has been through a lot, and so I'm so happy
Speaker 1: that she's finally found the right person for her. Before
Speaker 1: we go to break, um, I want to make note
Speaker 1: of this, and this is on a somber note, and
Speaker 1: it just breaks my heart. It breaks our heart, dear friends.
Speaker 1: Sarah Herron, beloved member of Our Bachelor World, and her
Speaker 1: fiance Dylan Brown, announced their son Oliver passed away after
Speaker 1: being born at just twenty four weeks old. The couple
Speaker 1: said that Oliver died in his dad's arms shortly after
Speaker 1: being born. And I don't have much to say it
Speaker 1: all other than Sarah Dylan, we send our love, our prayers.
Speaker 1: We're thinking about you guys. Um. I know this is
Speaker 1: unimaginable at this time, and we just love you and
Speaker 1: support you, and just know that thousands, hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of people are sending their love and support to you
Speaker 1: as well. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: most dramatic podcast ever. I'm Chris Harrison. Easily the most
Speaker 1: dramatic headline of the week is something we're about to
Speaker 1: dive into, and that was an interview that Caitlin Bristow
Speaker 1: gave last week where she was talking about the demise
Speaker 1: of our friendship and how, in her words, it had
Speaker 1: gone down the toilet when she got the job the
Speaker 1: mentorship is hosting the Bachelorette with Tassia, and she expressed
Speaker 1: a lot in that interview, and I wanted to dive
Speaker 1: into this because I think this is really interesting on
Speaker 1: so many levels for a relationship and a friendship. I
Speaker 1: think many years ago, maybe when I was younger, I
Speaker 1: would have taken this as someone throwing shade. She's angry
Speaker 1: at me, she's taking shots, and then you get into
Speaker 1: this he said, she said, going back and forth, Um,
Speaker 1: trading blows. But I don't think that's what this is about.
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I haven't spoken to Caitlin yet.
Speaker 1: We're about to talk. She's about to join me right
Speaker 1: here on the show, and you're gonna hear it all.
Speaker 1: But what I took from this when I read the articles,
Speaker 1: listened to the podcast that she did. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: cry for help, but I took it as a cry
Speaker 1: for something that she lost, something that she was sad
Speaker 1: that she lost, and that was our friendship. And so
Speaker 1: instead of getting mad or even disappointed, which I'm not,
Speaker 1: I was saddened that a friend of mine was mourning
Speaker 1: the loss of our friendship and that that friendship had changed.
Speaker 1: And yeah, us to a certain degree, it did change.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk all about that. And again,
Speaker 1: Caitlin and I had have texted several times over the
Speaker 1: last week, but we have not had a chance to
Speaker 1: talk on the phone. And I'm glad because you are
Speaker 1: going to get to hear everything as it plays out
Speaker 1: in real time right now. Joining me right now from
Speaker 1: her home in Nashville, Tennessee, Caitlin Bristow. Caitlin, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for jumping on and joining me. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison, thank you for having me. I I want
Speaker 1: to say, unfortunately, we are not holding up our podcast
Speaker 1: tradition and sharing a few bottles of wine while we
Speaker 1: do this, as we did the first time when I
Speaker 1: was doing your podcast back at my house in Los Angeles. Um,
Speaker 1: we need to get back to that tradition soon. But
Speaker 1: I am at the home office in Austin. You're in Nashville,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna in it over to you. Yes, what
Speaker 1: did you want to say? What were you hoping to
Speaker 1: express in that interview? First of all, I hate headlines
Speaker 1: so much because they never tell the full story. They
Speaker 1: all it's always just you know how it is to
Speaker 1: get people who just like believe one thing and then
Speaker 1: they're not going to read the article. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: guilty of it. I read headlines all the time and go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and then I don't read the poll article. Um.
Speaker 1: But in that in that interview, which I'm actually shocked
Speaker 1: that it blew up like this because I feel like
Speaker 1: I've talked about this before on my own podcast. But
Speaker 1: what I was saying in it was not that you
Speaker 1: ghosted me. I was just saying that you and I
Speaker 1: were so close and when everything went down and then
Speaker 1: I got this whatever you want to call it, role
Speaker 1: of quote unquote mentoring because they didn't want to pay
Speaker 1: me what they pay you to host. Uh. They that
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, I need to talk
Speaker 1: to Chris. That's that was my first reaction. I was like,
Speaker 1: I have to talk to Chris. All the headlines again
Speaker 1: are saying Caitlin and Tasia taking over Chris's job, and
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold the phone. And
Speaker 1: then obviously I was not thinking about what you could
Speaker 1: be going through, So I'm only thinking about myself, going
Speaker 1: he's not texting me back, he must hate me, He's
Speaker 1: not saying anything to me, Like, obviously I did something wrong,
Speaker 1: and I just, you know, went into a little self
Speaker 1: pity party and decided to put the blame on you
Speaker 1: for a minute. But what I was saying in the
Speaker 1: interview was it's it wasn't about me. You were going
Speaker 1: through so much at that time, and you probably didn't
Speaker 1: even know what you wanted to say to me or
Speaker 1: how to say it. And you're you're not like me.
Speaker 1: You react with logic. I react with emotion. I was like, hello,
Speaker 1: bombarding you with text messages. You weren't responding to me,
Speaker 1: and I just needed to realize it wasn't about me
Speaker 1: at that time. That's what I was trying to say,
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to have you on because
Speaker 1: you know, going back and forth based on clickbait headlines.
Speaker 1: And I, for one know when you're on a podcast
Speaker 1: and you say a lot, and you kind of say
Speaker 1: things off the cuff, but when it's put in print,
Speaker 1: it looks so different and it sounds so different, especially
Speaker 1: when you line things up when you say, Caitlin Bristow,
Speaker 1: you know, our our relationship went down the toilet and
Speaker 1: I texted him ten times and he didn't respond, and well,
Speaker 1: you're just kind of throwing these things out making a
Speaker 1: grander point, but when you just put him in print,
Speaker 1: it looked really bad. Because I'll back up and let
Speaker 1: everybody in on on how this went down back in
Speaker 1: the day. Was so you were right as all this
Speaker 1: came out. You were on entertainment tonight and I knew that,
Speaker 1: and so I called you that morning and we talked
Speaker 1: a little bit, and you made the statements that you
Speaker 1: were going to make, and we talked about that, and
Speaker 1: I supported you and said, look, I totally understand do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do, um that this doesn't affect us.
Speaker 1: And then subsequently, Um you and TASTI were name aimed.
Speaker 1: We hadn't talked after that, and then when you were
Speaker 1: named a mentor again, we we will get into that part.
Speaker 1: So you texted me after you got the mentorship and
Speaker 1: the Tin time. By the way, when she says Tin texts,
Speaker 1: seven of them were just that day and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to read them to you. But it was, you know,
Speaker 1: one of those things where she missed a word and
Speaker 1: she's like, wait, I meant this and meant this. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you were hammering me with text messages
Speaker 1: of call me, call me, call me. It was really
Speaker 1: this one strain of thoughts that came out on one
Speaker 1: day and then a couple I think a week later
Speaker 1: or so you said, hey, if you get a chance,
Speaker 1: call me, um. And so there wasn't a ghosting um.
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if you said I ghosted you,
Speaker 1: but that was just clickbait. Yeah. So, but as far
Speaker 1: as the ghosting thing goes, that wasn't the case at all.
Speaker 1: And it had nothing, and I mean nothing to do
Speaker 1: with you and Tasia hosting the show. It had to
Speaker 1: do with the fact that I was going through something
Speaker 1: extraordinary and it had really nothing to do and I
Speaker 1: don't mean this in a condest anyway. I had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with you or Tasha, And at that time
Speaker 1: I needed people in my life, and I circled the
Speaker 1: wagons with people that could be unconditionally loving and caring,
Speaker 1: people that were reaching out saying, hey, Bud, how are
Speaker 1: you are you okay? Checking on my kids, checking in
Speaker 1: on Lauren, making sure she was okay, and you weren't
Speaker 1: equipped to do that because of where you were in
Speaker 1: all this. I don't know what, does that make sense? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yes it does. And I this is why talking
Speaker 1: it out is so important, is because again, perception is
Speaker 1: never the actual reality. And so to me, I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I did reach out to you, and
Speaker 1: then I feel like I did reach out to Lauren,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I cared so much, but I
Speaker 1: was also in such a weird position, and then I
Speaker 1: understand that you were also into weird positions. So when
Speaker 1: I didn't get text messages back, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's just this is what it has to be. The
Speaker 1: relationship obviously has to change. So then I feel like
Speaker 1: I wanted to continue to reach out and check in
Speaker 1: and talk, but then I felt like, well, I'm he's
Speaker 1: not ready to talk to me, Like it was like
Speaker 1: this weird thing that we should have just freaking jumped
Speaker 1: on the phone and I know, And that's what I
Speaker 1: was saying in that interview is now I know from
Speaker 1: you know, the benefit of hindsight, I now know that
Speaker 1: was nothing to do with me. That was nothing to
Speaker 1: do with like you said, um, and you were in
Speaker 1: a position where I totally understand. When you're going through
Speaker 1: something like that, you have to really take a look
Speaker 1: at your circle and who is who is in it,
Speaker 1: and who's there for you and and who you know
Speaker 1: cuts you out or doesn't talk to you. So I
Speaker 1: get I totally get it well in the dynamic of
Speaker 1: our relationship. It's not unlike many you know, look for
Speaker 1: twenty years I've for bachelor's and bachelorettes. I was the
Speaker 1: mentor somewhat of it, maybe a father figure where I
Speaker 1: listened and I asked questions and I was all about
Speaker 1: you in your life because that was my job. And
Speaker 1: I cared and I took a lot of pride in that,
Speaker 1: and that's that's how our relationships started. At this time,
Speaker 1: I needed that flip of just the hey, how are
Speaker 1: you like? Are you okay? Not? Not? Are you okay
Speaker 1: with me taking the show? And you're irreplaceable? And I
Speaker 1: I appreciated those words. I did, but it was just
Speaker 1: at that time I wasn't. I didn't have the bandwidth
Speaker 1: to deal with all of that, and I wasn't. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I really and truly just wasn't worried
Speaker 1: at all about who was hosting and who was the
Speaker 1: next mentor and what the show was going to do.
Speaker 1: I get that I was thinking of you, as Chris Harrison,
Speaker 1: the host of the Bachelor franchise, worried about that. I wasn't,
Speaker 1: and and I was thinking about our friends, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about you as a human being and what
Speaker 1: you might have been going through at that time. And
Speaker 1: I think that's natural because that's how our relationship has
Speaker 1: always been to a certain degree. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: definitely evolved, as as wonderful relationships do. Um, but I
Speaker 1: find I I find many of those relationships that have
Speaker 1: started as the Bachelor Bacherette have kind of remained that
Speaker 1: not one sided, but definitely more so. Yeah, just because
Speaker 1: that's how it started. And I think some of you
Speaker 1: kind of still look at me as that person that
Speaker 1: you know. I remember my parents and now being a parent,
Speaker 1: I get it, like my kids don't go hey, that
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You know, what's going on in
Speaker 1: your life? Tell me about you? And so when a
Speaker 1: relationship starts like that, it takes a long time for
Speaker 1: it to evolve out of that. Yeah, I never thought
Speaker 1: about it like that, to be honest with you, which again,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that side of it because that's
Speaker 1: so valid and so fair, and I never really thought
Speaker 1: about it that way. Well, it was important to me
Speaker 1: to have this conversation, and I wanted ever went to hear,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we didn't talk. And I told everybody
Speaker 1: leading into our interview that you and I were trying
Speaker 1: to talk. But Caitlin is the busiest woman in the world.
Speaker 1: For four days, we've been exchanging text messages trying to
Speaker 1: set up a phone call and then, honest to god, guys,
Speaker 1: I got a text at three am this morning from
Speaker 1: Caitlin saying, hey, sorry, I never called you. Um, I
Speaker 1: will see you, you know, for this zoom that we're
Speaker 1: doing for this podcast and my dear lord. So this
Speaker 1: show is about relationships, it's about love, it's about communicating,
Speaker 1: and it's important to me. And I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: if I was younger and I saw maybe this click
Speaker 1: bait headlines. I would have been like, you know, Caitlin
Speaker 1: is dead to me or screw her or whatever. Instead
Speaker 1: I saw it and correct me if I'm wrong. Not
Speaker 1: as a cry for help, but I said, as a
Speaker 1: cry for a lost friendship and something that she has
Speaker 1: realized that she lost in her life that's changed, and
Speaker 1: so she wasn't trying to shade me. It was a
Speaker 1: cry for hey, I don't want to lose this, And
Speaker 1: that's how I took it. Good. I'm glad you took
Speaker 1: it that way because I have genuinely since that, since
Speaker 1: that moment of not getting text back, have been like
Speaker 1: grieving our friendship. Like I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I missed the days where I could call you at
Speaker 1: any time or talk to you or like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just I loved our friendship so much. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like obviously I could have gone about that
Speaker 1: in a much different way. But you know how podcasts
Speaker 1: go now that your podcast, yeah, I know, well you do.
Speaker 1: You get these interviews and you go into things and
Speaker 1: aspects of it that you weren't expecting, and you just
Speaker 1: start talking and you get pretty comfortable and you just
Speaker 1: let it go. And and even the it doesn't take
Speaker 1: much to crack that vault. But you know, even things
Speaker 1: that came off awkward, like the meeting at Wells and
Speaker 1: Sarah's wedding, I was so excited to see you guys,
Speaker 1: Lauren and I. You know, honestly, the other thing I
Speaker 1: can tell people's I talked to j a lot. I
Speaker 1: talked to Jason. Um we talk a lot more than
Speaker 1: I talked to you, because we you know, we also
Speaker 1: text each other like dudes do about sports and stuff.
Speaker 1: But I was so excited to see you guys at
Speaker 1: the wedding, and it wasn't awkward at all. We came.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Jason and you were talking to
Speaker 1: somebody else, and then you walked over and joined us,
Speaker 1: and I gave you a big hug, and it was
Speaker 1: really sweet what you said. And it came off and
Speaker 1: in print like it was awkward, and I want to
Speaker 1: tell people it was not. When when you said to me, hey,
Speaker 1: I miss you and I missed this, I it really
Speaker 1: hit me in the heart. And I gave you a big,
Speaker 1: long hug and we embraced for probably ten seconds too long.
Speaker 1: And you know, I, I said, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I've always been here. I'm always here for you, and
Speaker 1: that's I didn't mean like, hey, I'm always here. It's
Speaker 1: on you and that's when you see it in print.
Speaker 1: That's how it came off, but it wasn't. You should
Speaker 1: know that Caitlin and I were hugging, hugging, and I
Speaker 1: didn't whisper in her ear, but I just said to her,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm always here. You know you haven't lost me?
Speaker 1: Was my point to me the hug. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: got I genuinely like miss you. And when you said
Speaker 1: I've always been here, that's when my brain went, no,
Speaker 1: you haven't. You ignored me and you didn't text me back.
Speaker 1: But again, we all know how I'm dramatic. That's why
Speaker 1: you know you've seen it all too well. That was
Speaker 1: how I respond. I respond always with emotion and I
Speaker 1: wanted to be like but I didn't feel like you were.
Speaker 1: But again I had to rel it in and know
Speaker 1: that you didn't have to be You didn't have to
Speaker 1: be there for me at that time. I should have
Speaker 1: been more there for you, if anything, and I was
Speaker 1: expecting you'd be there for me, and that was wrong.
Speaker 1: I know, you were a little put off too during
Speaker 1: that time because I had spoken to Tasia and it
Speaker 1: came out that I had congratulated her. Well, the truth is,
Speaker 1: Tasia and I were talking about something completely different, and
Speaker 1: someone on the inside of production had let me know
Speaker 1: that you guys were going to take over as mentors
Speaker 1: um host whatever it was named. But someone on the
Speaker 1: inside let me know that, which I appreciated, And while
Speaker 1: I was talking to take you about something completely different,
Speaker 1: I did mention to her. I was like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, I do know this because neither one
Speaker 1: of you had reached out and said hey, because it
Speaker 1: was awkward. Another one of you reached out and said, hey, Chris,
Speaker 1: just know that they're talking to me about this. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do this. So while I was on the phone
Speaker 1: with her, I just brought it up myself and said,
Speaker 1: just so you know, no hard feelings for you and Caitlin.
Speaker 1: I am in no way angry. I'm in no way bitter.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you two stabbed me in the back.
Speaker 1: I would not expect either one of you to say,
Speaker 1: I love Chris, he's my friend. I'm turning down this job,
Speaker 1: you know, Screw you. Knowing, well, they're just gonna go
Speaker 1: get somebody else. Why would you turn down that opportunity
Speaker 1: when this had nothing to do with you, That's all
Speaker 1: I said to her. That's really fair. I feel like
Speaker 1: in that time I wastly thinking about my own feelings
Speaker 1: there um, I mean, and it was all because I
Speaker 1: freaking love you, that's the that was all where the
Speaker 1: stem um is because I don't want anyone because I have,
Speaker 1: to a different extent, did not know what you were
Speaker 1: going through because it is you know, it's uncomfortable. I'm
Speaker 1: friends with I'm friends with you. Then I get this
Speaker 1: role that I don't know what I'm doing, and it
Speaker 1: all just was so uncomfortable, and I just didn't I
Speaker 1: made it about me in that moment because I didn't
Speaker 1: want you to be upset with me, not even thinking
Speaker 1: I'm not even thinking, oh, he's actually going through something else.
Speaker 1: He's not upset with me. This has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with me. I didn't think that in the moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to bring everybody else into that.
Speaker 1: And as I said to you, you know, when we
Speaker 1: talked on the phone as you were about to do
Speaker 1: that entertainment tonight story, I said, look, you know, the
Speaker 1: only thing I can do right now, like if you
Speaker 1: speak up, if you say something and it's taken the
Speaker 1: wrong way or whatever's like, you're just going to be
Speaker 1: drug into this. And I was like, don't don't come
Speaker 1: into this. Um and and as I, you know, save
Speaker 1: yourself and just move on. And I did that out
Speaker 1: of love, and I did that out of caring for everybody.
Speaker 1: But the other thing is I as I as things
Speaker 1: settled down and you guys were hosting the show, Um, yeah, A,
Speaker 1: it was awkward and be where would I fit into that,
Speaker 1: you know, calling you and Tasia. Honestly, what I would
Speaker 1: have loved is for you two to have called me
Speaker 1: during the negotiation and during when they were talking to you,
Speaker 1: so I could have helped you like I normally would have.
Speaker 1: You could have called and said, hey, this is because
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, do you really think we would call
Speaker 1: you to help us negotiate to that? You know, you
Speaker 1: know I would have by the way I would have
Speaker 1: told you guys, I know you would have. I would
Speaker 1: have been like, hey, so hey, I'm taking your job
Speaker 1: that you've had for twenty years. Um, I want this
Speaker 1: to be totally normal, which clearly I did not do
Speaker 1: a good job at because they were like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: well we're that was not on you, and it was
Speaker 1: not on Tasha. It was not on either one of you. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're finally getting this chance to talk, and
Speaker 1: I want to push the pause button for the moment
Speaker 1: because we're coming to the end of our time here
Speaker 1: on this podcast. But there's so much more I want
Speaker 1: to talk to you about about hosting The Bachelorette, what
Speaker 1: that was like, all the emotions you went through, what
Speaker 1: you thought about me in that moment, and what about
Speaker 1: you and Jason, how are you doing? Are you planning
Speaker 1: a wedding? I want to hear about all of it.
Speaker 1: So this conversation will continue because we have a lot
Speaker 1: more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on
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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you next time.