WEBVTT - Unghosted with Kaitlyn Bristowe 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.840 This is the most dramatic podcast ever, and I heard 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:10.000 radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.360 Chris Harrison. Welcome to another dramatic week. A week where 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.960 I wasn't exactly sure what the big topics and big 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.840 headlines we're gonna be, and then it turned out maybe 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.799 the most dramatic headline of the week involve me. Caitlin 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.599 Bristow went on a podcast and talked about our friendship 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:31.360 deteriorating and how I essentially ghosted her. Well, you know, 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.239 I have to talk about this, but there's only one 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.680 way to do it. Caitlin Bristow is going to join 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.199 me because we have a lot to talk about, but 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.239 we have a lot of other dramatic headlines to get to. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.600 My beautiful fiance, Laurenzima is here with me. Tom Brady 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.080 has retired again after twenty three years in the NFL. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.040 The forty five year old says, this time it is 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.960 for real and it's for good. And on that point, 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.960 I totally believe um that this is it. At forty 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.560 five years old, he is done. Well. The reason we 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:07.600 wanted to bring this up because you know, the most 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:12.160 dramatic headlines will be about the relationship headliness. No, no, no, no, 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:13.840 he would never do that to me or to the 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.039 wonderful listeners at home. But even I am invested in 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:22.680 this right because when Tom Brady first announced his retirement, 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.479 pretty quickly his relationships seemed to fall apart. And then 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.520 we found out that he and Gazelle bunch in after 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.080 many years together, we're getting a divorce, which is always sad, 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.880 is always hard. Um. And then now when he announces 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:42.400 his second retirement, I turned to you and said, was 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.640 it worth it? And it's really interesting to me how people, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.040 and maybe there's a difference in men women, you know, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.760 your relationship status, how you react to this news. Because 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.520 my first reaction when hearing okay, so after all that, 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.720 you know, he was only retired the first time for 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.080 a weeks and he goes back as another season plays 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.440 poorly right or poorly? Was not good? Okay? Um? And 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.919 then now he's officially going to retire once again. So 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.679 one more season, one more mediocre season by his standards. Anyway, 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.679 was it worth it? I have two bizarre schools of thought, 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.160 and it's funny that your mind went there. My mind 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:28.320 went to when he immediately retired last time last year, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:35.200 and the f t X crypto thing came out. I 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.839 think two things are at play here. One I think 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:43.679 Tom Brady was he was a big advisor and part 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.640 of the f t X scandal, this crypto scandal. I 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.040 think he lost tens of millions of dollars. And my 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.320 first thought was, Oh, he and his agents had to 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.760 get him back because he lost so much money, and 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:56.799 it would also kind of turn the tide on any 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.840 PR problems. But when he retired this time, my first 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.520 thought was, you know what he did last year. He 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.320 went back to be with his boys. It was therapy 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.480 for him. And I don't believe and I don't know. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.840 I don't know Giselle, I don't know Tom. I've never 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.880 met either one of them, but I find it hard 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.680 to believe that he unretired and then you know, a 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.960 month later, that's what tore their relationship apart, and that's 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:22.880 what caused the divorce. Maybe it was the straw that 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.840 broke the camel's back, but I can't imagine that is 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.680 what really blew it up from the start. So my 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.480 thought was Tom knew they were headed this direction. They 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.600 probably had already started the proceedings and separating their lives. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:41.880 And for a guy, I think it was his therapy. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.560 It was I need to go back and belong to something. 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.120 I can't just get a divorce and not have my job, 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.080 not have my locker room, not have my boys. So 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.320 I think it was more therapeutic and cathartic that he 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.000 went back knowing he was getting a divorce. I have 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.480 nothing scientific to debate this on. Just as a man, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.120 I could see that's why he may have done it. Well, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.920 that's interesting and looks certainly, if one major area of 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.920 your life is falling apart your relationship, you don't want 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.760 your career to be falling apart two. But I mean, look, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.080 I agree with you. I certainly don't think the divorce. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.640 They must have been having problems for a while, and 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.039 there were rumors about that for a while. But you know, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.120 she has kind of set in interviews, I I what 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.320 she has said. Her own words were that she kind 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.760 of needed him to show her that the family was 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.279 a priority. She needed him to set football aside, and 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.080 he wasn't willing to do that. What my read on it, 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.320 more so was I I think when you have someone 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:43.200 in a relationship who's so passionate about their job. And also, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:44.960 I mean you're dealing with two people who are in 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.960 the very top of their field, of the greatest in 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.000 their field. Yeah, she is the highest. She either still 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.839 holds the title or did hold the title for highest 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.320 paid supermodel in the world. He's known as the goat, right, Okay, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.520 she's kind of the goat herself. Yes, to be referred 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:05.200 to as go but yes, so Dad's dramatic dad joke 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.559 of the week. Um, So, I think that you're dealing 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.520 with two people who, in order to have a family, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.919 they had to both make sacrifices for their careers. I 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.360 think she felt like she'd made more of the sacrifice 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.400 and she was ready for him to do that, and 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.760 he couldn't show her he could do that. And I 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.960 mean that's the thing, though, if you can't walk away, 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.640 then you have drawn that line in the sand. And 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.039 when I but when I say was it worth it? 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.400 I would be interested for him to give and I 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.160 don't think he will, but I would like for him 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.800 to give a very honest interview about it. Now. I 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.719 do think it could have been worth it in that 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.200 for any of us, whether it's a job or a relationship, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.080 I've said before, I have to know I put everything 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.559 into this thing before I can walk away. And maybe 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.320 for him, he had to play that final season and no, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.080 you know what, I don't think I can keep winning 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.640 super Bowls every time, and and so he had to 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.599 know time I'm done. And maybe maybe and you know, 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.919 it's hard to leave on top. Very few superstars have 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:11.360 the ability to win and then walk away. And again, Hey, Tom, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.880 open invitation to come on the most dramatic podcast ever. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:15.480 I would love to talk to him. I will talk 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.800 zero sports with you. Maybe we'll talk a little golf 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.880 because he's a big golfer. Um. But I really want 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.200 to know what was the impetus for coming back. Was 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:29.200 it what Lauren is saying or was it more of, Hey, 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:33.000 my life is falling apart, we are separating. I realized, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.360 now I can't say this marriage. I need to go 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.800 back to at least something I can control. And you 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.200 and I know this, and we've both been through divorces 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.080 and we've been through something else that was pretty extraordinary. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.120 You want to hold onto something you can control, and 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.039 football between the lines, he knew he could control, even 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:51.919 going back to a team that wasn't that great, and 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.000 he knew he wasn't gonna win the super Bowl, but 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.400 at least he had control of that. When I was 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.400 going through my divorce, I didn't tell anyone at work. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.520 No one at work knew that I was having marital problems. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.279 Nobody knew that anything was wrong. I just when it 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.600 was happening, when we had definitely split. Then I kind 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.720 of started to tell a few people. And in part 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.120 that was because, you know, I mean, certainly, when you're 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.040 thinking maybe we'll stay together, then you you don't want 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.800 to tell everybody In case you stay together, UM, you 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.560 don't want people to have that, you know, remember that 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.600 it's hard for people to forget um. But it was 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.440 more so that it was I was like, my personal 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.840 life is struggling so much. I can't let this career 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.040 that I've worked so hard for be affected too. I 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.160 have to, like, I've worked so hard for this, this 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.680 has to remain intact, and this part of my life 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.520 has to be the same and a safe space where 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.160 I can go just like you were, I would I 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.280 would probably say I did the same thing, and most 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.200 of mine was because, yes, I had to deal with 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.480 the press of it all and being the joke and 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.160 the talk of the town on the late night shows 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.440 and stuff as the host of the Bachelor is getting divorced. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.200 I mean, the jokes right themselves, but I too wanted 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.160 to at least control this environment. It was something I 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.720 was good at. It was something that I was recognized for, 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.360 and at least this part of my life I had 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.240 peace while the rest of it was falling apart. And 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.880 I maybe that's the way it was for Tom. Do 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.080 you remember any of the late night jokes. I remember 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.480 Jimmy Kimmel, and I remember talking to Jimmy Kimmel about Yeah, 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.200 I think we are friendly, and I think he even 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.120 texted me of like, hey, sorry, pal, you know just 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.600 he reached out and I said, I totally get it. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.600 I mean, if I was in the same position, I 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.360 would be writing these jokes too. The doctor of Love, 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.800 the guy who's known for love is getting a divorce. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.559 I mean, come on, it's pretty rich. Yeah, I mean 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.640 talk about dad jokes. It's a layup, um. But yeah, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.520 by the way, open invitation to Tom, open invitation to Giselle. 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.680 I would love to I really would love to talk 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.000 to them on a very personal level, just about these relationships. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.120 Of when, when they knew what led to these decisions? 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.680 What did him coming back force or did it at all? 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.559 Was this already a foregone conclusion? A lot of questions 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.760 that only two people know. Um, and if you know, obviously, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.880 if they want to go peacefully into the night, God 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.480 bless them for that. Well, I saw a lot of 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.440 people now saying, um, will they get back together? I 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.600 don't think that. I don't think so. I think it's 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.400 that ship is sailed, right. And she wrote something very 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.480 nice on his Instagram announcement of retirement number two. She 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.040 said something like, I wish you all the best in 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.720 the future. I think that's done. What's your good saying 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.240 about relationships? But they end for a reason, relationships and 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.080 for a reason. And it's not to say some people 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.400 get back together, I know, but usually things in for 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.760 a reason. And that is true as as did this story. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.800 And so let's move on to our next headline. This 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:55.319 is a surprise headline for you, a twist on Oh yes, well, 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.439 we want to do a twist on the most traumatic 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.440 headlines ever. We're going to surprise each other. This just 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.480 the headline I found and and LZ doesn't know about this. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.120 I just found it fascinating. Not really the story. It's 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:10.079 about actress Emily Raddikowski upon her divorce. I guess she's 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:15.440 had two divorces, this one to Sebastian Bear mclard um. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.920 And she was asked about her wedding ring and wedding 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.600 rings in general and dresses. And we had had this 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.160 discussion last week. Is what made it come right to 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.240 mine when we talked about the wedding dress and what 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:26.800 do you do with it? Do you save it? Is 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:30.920 it weird if your fiance new wife has her dress 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.720 or old dress from a prior wedding and the same 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.319 thing goes for rings. And she said, you know, I 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.320 keep it. I still have my wedding ring. And I 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.680 thought about you, and I'm like, I don't know where 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.280 your wedding ring is. And I thought, you know what, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.840 I bet Lauren doesn't know where my wedding ring is 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.800 from my prior wedding. Do you have it? I don't 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.679 know where it is? You haven't I do? Um. My 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.640 wedding ring was something that was really I know they're 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.120 all personal, but it was very emotional for me and 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.000 tied to my family. It was a replica of my 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:05.040 grandfather's ring, And you know what my grandfather meant to me, Um, 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.160 and all of us seven grandchildren. I'm the youngest of seven. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.240 When we got married, we all had my grandfather's ring 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.160 replicated and we all wear those. So that's what I had. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:20.160 And so I and my grandfather and grandmother were still 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.720 alive when I got married. They're both gone now, God 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.760 rest their souls. But I kept it because it's a 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.160 tie to them, not necessarily to my wedding. But I 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.720 keep it because every time I see it, it reminds 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.920 me of my grandfather, who I admired as much as 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.480 any man in my life, and the same thing for 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:42.560 my grandmother. I never had a wedding ring, I could say, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:51.520 but it makes so much sense. I don't want to 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:56.080 say anything disparaging, but it just seems to fit. Why 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.720 why it's never gonna laugh? Yeah, why didn't you have 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.960 a wedding ring? I you know, Well, honestly, I I 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.440 had my engagement ring, and I really liked my engagement 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.520 I loved my engagement ring, actually, Um, and I just 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.880 didn't see the point in a wedding ring. I thought, 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.080 I know, some people kind of style them and stacked 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.400 them together and all that. But to be honest, I thought, 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.160 we've spent enough money on the engagement ring. Why do 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.440 I need a wedding ring. I've wondered if I'll get 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.800 a wedding ring for you, and I, well, that's what 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.360 I was just thinking. So right now, what you have 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.280 on very beautiful ring. But I love my engagement so 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.240 it's an engagement ring. So I see what you're saying, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.960 adding on the wedding band. Yeah, I don't want to 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.840 change the way it looks. I love it exactly as 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.120 it is. Okay, well, I think that's totally fine. By 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.320 the way, if you want to do that, that's great. Um, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.080 But you know, it's funny, I thought the same thing. 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:47.600 I had not thought. I've guys obsessed so much about 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:49.520 the ring, and I wanted to get Laura in the 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.960 right ring, and it was something that I was so 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.800 worried about because she's very particular, and what are you 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.280 talking about in a good way? And so I just 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:00.920 I just wanted to you happy, and I wanted to 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.880 be something you loved. Then I thought to myself, after 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.000 reading this story with Emily Raddikowski, was like, oh, I'm 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.080 also getting married. I haven't thought about getting totally forgot 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.680 you were getting married. I forgot. I just forgot about 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.400 getting a ring. I haven't. We haven't talked about it. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.840 I haven't thought about your right. But by the way, okay, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:25.120 is this to my point? How important is a wedding ring? Well, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:30.400 I think, to me, not really that important. Let's get tattoos. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:32.280 I don't want to get it. Who was it either 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:37.720 Wells or began tests the wedding tattoo? Um, I don't. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.120 I don't do test one. They're very chic. I'm not 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.280 as cool as Beyonce who dropped the Big World Tour. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:49.240 By the way, congrass Beyonce. But I think I would 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:53.520 just go basic ring. Um if I did another one. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.720 I think I would like to have a ring. I 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.719 think it's representative of our love and our commitment. Can 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.000 I say there's something sexy about the idea of you 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.520 in a wedding ring. I don't want to get weird 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.560 on the podcast now, but I do like that it's 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.240 there's some It's kind of like you like to wear watches. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.600 I think men don't wear that much jewelry, so it 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.040 is just a nice successory to see. So I would 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.719 like to see you in a wedding ring. I don't 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:15.240 know if I'll get a wedding ring again. I love 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.720 my engagement ring, and hey, I'm a babe on a budget. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.600 I do think if it's not that important to you, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.400 you don't need to spend the money. You already have 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:26.840 the engagement ring. It's okay. Um, so yeah that's interesting. Yes, wait, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.800 but you still haven't told me where your wedding ring is. 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.520 It's in It's in my closet. Gosh, I've got to 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.280 go through a little jewelry. You go through my stuff, 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.240 plunny um, And honestly, you you may you may have 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.040 seen it a million times and wouldn't even know because 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.320 it's it's a lover's not. So you may have seen 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.200 it because it does not look like a conventional wedding ring. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:50.560 And people used to ask me all the time on 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.760 the show, because obviously I was married for the first 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.880 chunk that I was doing the Bachelor Bacherettes, and people 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.800 would ask, is that your wedding ring? What is that? 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.360 And it was kind of a Celtic not a lovers 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.640 not and that's what my grandfather had, and so I 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.560 had one made pretty close to it a replica, and 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:11.040 so it probably you've seen it and just didn't know. Well, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:13.880 now we got to see about a new wedding band. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.960 We should tell people when we're gonna get married soon. 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.240 We should do a whole podcast about We will do 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:34.000 a whole podcast. It needs more of a moment. Well, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.080 that leads me to the headline, I'm surprising you with 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.000 relationship related headline, of course, one of the most dramatic 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:45.640 headlines of the week. Ben Stiller and his lovely wife 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.600 Christine have been married for years. They actually split up 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.080 and got back together, but now they're back together speaking 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:53.760 out of people being able to get back together, and 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.960 she has revealed on her new podcast that they were 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.560 both each there's rebounds in the very beginning that when 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.880 they first started dating, they'd both gotten out of serious 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.200 relationships and they didn't take their own relationship seriously because 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.000 they were both rebounding. But now it's so interesting because 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.480 they've been married, they've been together almost twenty years in total. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.080 So the question is is it a good idea to 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:22.800 date someone who's on the rebound. I need a rebound 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:28.200 spectrum because there's zero of Oh, I was just dating 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:29.960 someone for a few weeks, a few months, whatever, It 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:31.920 wasn't that serious. I'm on. You know you're on the 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.960 rebound technically. Two. I was married twenty years, I have kids. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.440 I'm on winding a lot. Well. Part of the reason 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.280 I picked this is because I think it's very applicable 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.400 to you and I. We've said before, I don't know 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.760 if you and I would be together if I was 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:52.160 the first person you dated. I think you can move that. Yeah. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.120 I actually I've never told this story. I actually apologized 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.240 to the first person I started dating, and I said, 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:05.240 I'm just telling you right now, I'm a red hot mess. Yeah, 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.000 I'm gonna be no didotist like the first date? Are you? 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.120 He was pretty early on. I just said, you know, look, 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.480 I I this is not going to go well. She 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.359 stuck with it. Was, you know, in the cute, charming 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.120 way that I can present things. But I just knew. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.720 Like I said, I had been married almost twenty years, 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:27.200 two kids. I hadn't dated since the nineties, so things 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.320 had changed quite a bit. Apparently I missed my twenties 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.320 and thirties started dating in my forties, so very interesting. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.359 A whole new world presented itself to me and I 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.240 just knew I needed time. I needed time, honestly to 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.800 dive into my kids make sure everybody was okay, not 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.320 because they needed it, because I needed to do that. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.479 That's that's the caretaker in me. So I was. I 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:54.080 was pretty self aware that I was probably pretty messy. Well, 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.840 there you go on the rebound spectrum. Yes you were. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.159 I was the twelve from zero to ten. I was 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.720 the twelve on the spectrum. Well exactly, how are you? Well, 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.480 We're gonna keep the focus on you for a minute. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.719 Let me let's circle back on me. I do think 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.120 you needed to figure out dating again. Like you said, 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:15.880 it's really interesting. I mean, you got married very young. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:20.120 You're twenty two and so you had never dated after college. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.639 You'd never dated as an adult, right, Apparently going to 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.520 Raiders of the Lost Dark no longer that great of 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.639 a date. I love you've told me the story about 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.760 how you had to realize that it was. It might 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.680 have even come across weird to ask someone to pick 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.520 them up. First of all, phone calls. I like to 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.880 call people. I'm not a big Texter. I think it's 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.920 just impersonal and things get lost in translation. I mean, 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.480 if you call as you start dating. If you call 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:51.359 a girl and you offered to pick them up for 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.280 a date, you would have thought I was a serial killer. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.960 The first person I said, well, i'll pick you up, 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.040 and there was this this long pause. She's like, I'm 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.360 not giving him my address. Clearly her head was spinning, 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:09.840 and she quickly came up with a lie, Well, I'm 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:14.960 gonna be coming from here there work, I'll meet you there. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.040 I'm like, okay. So I asked another friend of mine, 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.359 a girl. I said, Hey, did I just do something wrong? 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.200 I called this person, I asked her out on a 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.359 date at dinner date, and I was going to a place. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:32.320 I picked a place geographically kind to where she lived, 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.640 and you would have thought I slapped her in public. 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.560 It was just like it was so off putting. And 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.480 then I learned and she's like, oh, yeah, we don't 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:45.560 do that anymore because stalkers. You know, time podcast is 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:47.600 ruined it for all of us. Well, I love that 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.919 you're trying to be a gentleman, um, but yeah, I 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.280 do think you you had to figure out how to 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:56.760 date again, and there was certainly I think an element 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.680 of you having to see what else was out there, 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:00.360 Like if you and I had met each other then. 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.439 To be honest, I don't know if you would have 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.320 appreciated how great I am. I would not have No, 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.800 I wouldn't have it. I'm glad that I went through 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.040 the exercise I did of being alone living alone. I 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.120 think that's important. By the way, um just finding out 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.919 are you a dependent person? Are you an independent person? 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:22.840 Do you like being alone? Can you be alone with 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.359 yourself and enjoy your life and then you can add 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.800 somebody to that, they don't become your life. So I 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.960 think I was much healthier and ready. As you always say, 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.560 you're always a huge proponent of life places, life experiences 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.399 and moments, and it's about timing. Our timing was right, yes, 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.919 But what's interesting is I was worried when we started 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:49.520 dating that I was dating too soon after getting out 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.920 of my marriage. I was worried that it was I 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.080 was worried I needed to take more time for myself, 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.520 and I remember kind of having this debate in my head. 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.320 I dated. So I've been single for a matter of months. 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.159 I'd kind of just gone on some dates with some 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.159 other people, and then you and I went on our 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:10.119 first date. And I remember thinking fairly early on I 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.440 didn't take I also didn't take it very seriously fairly 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.080 early on, I was like trepidacious. I also honestly thought, 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.240 you know what's I gotta be careful about dating him. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.240 How will this affect my career? I don't want people 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.720 to think that I'm just using him as a you know, 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.760 for a moment. So we kept thinking secret for something 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.680 like six months until we really knew it was serious. 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:35.720 But I remember thinking early on, I don't know if 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.960 I need more time on my own, but I also 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.760 don't this guy is great, and I don't know if 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:44.520 I want to let him go, Like is it worth? 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.040 I wound up coming to the conclusion that you gotta 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.399 take chances, you gotta go for it. And I knew 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.040 how great you were, and so I couldn't let this 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.320 wonderful man pass me by. UM. I also think I 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.679 realized that, even though I was still a bit in 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:06.359 the rebound phase, that my marriage had been unwinding for 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.040 a while, and so it wasn't like I got out 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.159 of something in this kind of shocking way. And I 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.080 also wasn't married for as long as you were, so 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:16.840 you know, I think I and I had dated in 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.280 my twenties. I've had those single years, so I was 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:21.840 I was still in a life place of wanting to 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.200 be in a relationship. I wasn't like, I want to 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:25.919 get out there and date. I had wanted to be 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.680 in a relationship at that phase. So maybe it's also 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.159 about what you're wanting. Are you wanting a rebound and 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:32.880 you just want to have a little fun or are 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.600 you wanting that relationship. I'm glad you made that choice. 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.080 By the way, me too. Where we gotta get wedding rings? Gosh, 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:56.119 Hall grows up another big dramatic headline, and we can 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.480 finally put a pin in this story. Amy Robot t 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.240 J Homes are out. At Good Morning America. It is official. 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.600 They are gone. Statement released on a Friday night as 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.879 all news that needs to get buried. Is he the 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.160 trash on a Friday afternoon. You and I have talked 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.600 about this so much because I think we've seen so 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:20.840 much of our own struggle in Amy and t J's journey. 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.199 Um and man, I will say, I just look at 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.639 all this and I think, what a mess, What a 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.200 mess of the way that this always handled Because it 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:33.480 was something that ended up being in the press for 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.919 months I don't think it had to be. And at 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:38.879 the end of the day, now, I mean to me, 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.600 these were two people very beloved, their ratings were good, 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.639 they were doing well, and now ABC's got to start 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.720 all over again, figure it out. I think it was 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:53.000 all very poorly handled, and the damage control the source 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.040 reporting on this was pretty fascinating. The leaks that were 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:00.880 coming out um from the news room, from Exact A producers, 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:05.679 from other producers, and that basically stated exactly what you 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:09.840 were saying, that the morale in the news room and 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.640 at ABC News is at an all time low, that 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:17.000 this is something that should have lasted two days, and 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:21.159 it lasted months and then ended up in a meltdown 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:27.400 of epic proportions, and it's spawn out of control. There's 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.480 a saying, if you stand for everything in life, you 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.600 stand for nothing. I'm gonna invent a new saying. If 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.480 you stand for nothing in life, you stand for nothing, 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.879 and it causes an absolute mess. I just coined this 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:44.960 phrase because of something I kind of went through, and 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.080 I've watched what Amy and t J have gone through, 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:53.719 and it's when people in positions of power leaders stand 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:58.240 for nothing, they think they're being safe they're waiting to 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.879 see which way the wind is blowing. What are people 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:04.520 saying on social media? That's not leadership, And that is 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.560 what created this void, that then created this mess, that 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:13.120 then created what we have now where and I get 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.120 the t J. You know, the the affairs that came 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:17.919 up and all that they had no choice but to 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.160 let him go. You mean, because it came out he'd 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.040 had affairs with he had other affairs with supports, Yeah, 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.240 allegedly and so and then. But Amy is kind of 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:29.879 caught in the crossfire because she still has done nothing 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:34.360 other than get in a relationship with t J. Holmes. 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:37.439 But there's someone who was at work, yes, with so 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.080 many equal clearly, but if you're read between the lines, 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:45.240 what happened was a settlement was reached. Is it a 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.520 fire able offense if you have a romantic relationship with 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.399 someone who's you're equal at work? And what you're talking 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:55.040 about standing for nothing or standing for something? I think 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:58.480 that we all like to feel a sense of comfort. 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:00.720 We like to feel like a decision and has been made, 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.680 And the problem they had here was that no decision 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.600 was made. Think about how much you hate being in 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:09.640 a are we or aren't we in a relationship versus 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.439 if someone would just break up with you. It's like, 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.120 just dump me if you're gonna dump me, or let's 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.160 stay We're gonna stay together and let's try to figure 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.320 this out. The are we or aren't we? To me 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.800 is worse because if you've gotten dumped, you can start 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.680 moving forward. They were in this are we or aren't we? 0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.560 And I think the audience felt that, the public felt 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.000 that their newsroom felt that, and people just want to know, 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:33.720 are we standing by this or not? And I do 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.800 think that if the decision had been made to support 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.600 them and to say no, you know what, t J 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:41.399 and Amy are going to stay on the air. We 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.200 think they're both really good at their jobs and they're 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.840 staying on the air, then I think the audience would 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:49.320 have been we would have been Yeah. The biggest thing 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.040 to me about this whole situation and it was a 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.320 reminder out of a lot of what we've been through. UM. 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.359 But I actually learned it years ago when I lost 0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:01.760 my dad. UM is that you can be at a company, 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:03.960 at a brand, and it's in any industry. You can 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.960 be there for decades. You can feel very connected to 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.199 this company in this job but that relationship you and 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.920 your company. At the end of the day, they are 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:17.719 looking out for their bottom line, for their brand, for 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.919 their bottom line, for their money, and you have to 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.560 look out for yourself because as much as you might 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.280 feel like work is your family, and we all spend 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.160 so much time at work, right it's a huge part 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.439 of our lives. There's a motion in that relationship, but 0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.800 it's still business and that company is still going to 0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:37.480 do what's best for them, and it's a good reminder 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:41.200 of that. Three more headlines I want to get to 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:46.640 that have to do with kind of Bachelor related headlines. 0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:51.400 Number one, first and foremost, Caitlin Bristow made some news 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:57.360 last week talking about me in that I had ghosted 0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:01.880 her during her stant as host of The Batchelor Bachelor 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:03.840 when she came in, when her ination came in. She 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.879 did an interview on a podcast and it made headlines. 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.800 It made a lot of headlines. My phone is blown up. 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.040 I am going to dive deeper into this story and 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:18.359 just a little bit as we bring Caitlin Bristow on 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.639 for an interview and the two of us are going 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:24.080 to dive into this. But before we get to that, 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:30.320 I want to congratulate former Bachelorette Claire Crawley, who got 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:36.720 married to Mascot Sports CEO Ryan Dawkins. Congratulations Claire Um 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.400 someone who has kind of been a part of the franchise. 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.240 Was a part of the franchise for quite some time. 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:43.920 She was on one Pablos season and and we brought 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.360 her back as the bachelorette. Just always love Claire. She 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.520 was always just one of those people that I wanted 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.840 to find love, and I, you know, I thought we 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.320 did on the show during that pandemic season where she 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.000 was the batcherette. It obviously didn't work out, but it 0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.240 has now and she has found her help. Did you 0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.680 really think she found love on that season? I thought 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.280 it was just crazy enough to work. I did, I 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.080 really did. I did not. I thought, you know what, 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:11.600 it's the pandemic. There are no rules, it's bizarre. Maybe 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:15.320 this just will work. You thought that Claire and Dale 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.560 were going to make You know, I'm a hopeless optimist. 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:19.960 I am a big believer of when this happens, when 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:23.520 things happened like this, I am all in. But she 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.240 got married. By the way. A side note to this wedding. 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:31.280 Her wedding dress was stolen from her car? Are you 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:35.760 kidding me? First of all, who steals a wedding dress? 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.560 That's horrible. There's a special place in hell for someone 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:40.640 who steals a wedding dress, right, you know what it is. 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.840 So a couple of questions. If you see a wedding dress, 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:46.960 you know what it is. What are you gonna do 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:48.840 with it? What are you gonna take it to a 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.840 pawn shop? Yeah, they're going to sell it? Yeah, but 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.640 can you sell a wedding dress put on I don't know, 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:55.880 Facebook market place? Of course you can sell a wedding dress. 0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:58.080 Well then I stand corrected on that, but still, but 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.880 if we take the positive spin on it, I was 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:05.280 really impressed by Claire's reaction. She said she just moved forward, 0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:06.880 She got another dress. She said, if it's meant to 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.040 be this way, it'll be. And I thought, oh my gosh, 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.360 that is the right outlook to have as a bride, 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.360 because I've been to enough weddings and I've been in 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:16.080 a wedding of my own at this point to know 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:19.880 your wedding day is not going to go off a perfectly. 0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.560 There will be some kind of hitch and your happiness 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.120 on that day hinges on whether you can go with 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.480 the flow. I mean, sometimes there's a disaster, but on 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.480 the little stuff go with the flow, and your wedding 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.600 dress getting stolen and her going with the flow, I 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.520 applaud Claire Crawley. Well, I think this shows that a 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.000 she's in love and be she has grown tremendously because 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:39.600 and I think Claire will back me up on this, 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.200 if if something like this had happened while she was 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:46.080 the bacherette, it would not have gone well. Oh. I 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.400 think she would have been pretty upset and there would 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.440 have been uh, some downtime in shooting while we figured 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.520 this out. So you see some growth here. I see 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:55.800 some growth. And I think it also just goes to 0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:59.160 when you're happy and you find peace in your life, 0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.480 you find peace in all of your life. And I 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.400 think that's where she is. And I'm so happy for 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.440 her and Ryan are congratulations. I still can't believe that 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.120 you thought her and they were going to work. I'm 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.840 proticing this, can I ask you really quickly. I don't 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.480 know if he'll be honest about this. I know you're positive. 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.360 I know you're an optimist who from the show got 0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.680 engaged and you are like I don't think this is 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:26.080 going to work out. M hm. He doesn't always like 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.080 to answer these questions. But I was trying to think 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.560 of somebody that. I mean, I was trying to think earlier. 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:33.280 I go early days for some reason. That's why I 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.400 guess I start in chronological order and work my way up. 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:45.040 I don't know as many of those as the opposite, 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.440 where oh you thought it was really gonna I thought 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.040 it was gonna work and it didn't work. I mean, look, 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:56.360 could you look at you know, Ari and Becca? And 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:01.760 I remember too with Ason Mesnick that ended up being 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.400 in the Great Switch, just because there was so much 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.080 confusion and so much emotion emotion going into those uh 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:13.160 decisions Alex Michelle from season one. So just there was 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.880 times when I thought, you know, are they fully committed 0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:22.000 to this? Um often it's the Bachelor's not the bachelorettes. 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:26.520 Women are just better at this. You're better human beings. 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.800 Men are not smart animals. Well that's the gauge too though, right. 0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.160 I always say this, I think the greatest indicator of 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:35.560 a relationship success is effort. Like when you just said, 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.560 as someone committed, is someone trying? Because if they're trying, 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.080 that means they want to be there. If it's a 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.320 quick indicator to me, if someone's not putting an effort, 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.760 get out, because you can't make somebody care. Totally agree. 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.280 Al Right, Well, anyway, congrats to Claire truly, she looks 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:53.120 so happy and so beautiful, and she is somebody who 0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:54.720 has been through a lot, and so I'm so happy 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.120 that she's finally found the right person for her. Before 0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:02.440 we go to break, um, I want to make note 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.400 of this, and this is on a somber note, and 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:09.520 it just breaks my heart. It breaks our heart, dear friends. 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:15.840 Sarah Herron, beloved member of Our Bachelor World, and her 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:20.840 fiance Dylan Brown, announced their son Oliver passed away after 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.520 being born at just twenty four weeks old. The couple 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.000 said that Oliver died in his dad's arms shortly after 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:32.360 being born. And I don't have much to say it 0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:38.720 all other than Sarah Dylan, we send our love, our prayers. 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.840 We're thinking about you guys. Um. I know this is 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:49.719 unimaginable at this time, and we just love you and 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:53.760 support you, and just know that thousands, hundreds of thousands 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.240 of people are sending their love and support to you 0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:12.040 as well. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the 0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.359 most dramatic podcast ever. I'm Chris Harrison. Easily the most 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.560 dramatic headline of the week is something we're about to 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:22.800 dive into, and that was an interview that Caitlin Bristow 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:29.719 gave last week where she was talking about the demise 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:33.239 of our friendship and how, in her words, it had 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.600 gone down the toilet when she got the job the 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:43.840 mentorship is hosting the Bachelorette with Tassia, and she expressed 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:50.000 a lot in that interview, and I wanted to dive 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.319 into this because I think this is really interesting on 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:57.279 so many levels for a relationship and a friendship. I 0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:01.240 think many years ago, maybe when I was younger, I 0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.880 would have taken this as someone throwing shade. She's angry 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.000 at me, she's taking shots, and then you get into 0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.480 this he said, she said, going back and forth, Um, 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:15.680 trading blows. But I don't think that's what this is about. 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.680 And I'll be honest, I haven't spoken to Caitlin yet. 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.120 We're about to talk. She's about to join me right 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.320 here on the show, and you're gonna hear it all. 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:30.160 But what I took from this when I read the articles, 0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:33.640 listened to the podcast that she did. It wasn't a 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.880 cry for help, but I took it as a cry 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:43.160 for something that she lost, something that she was sad 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.719 that she lost, and that was our friendship. And so 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.480 instead of getting mad or even disappointed, which I'm not, 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:56.840 I was saddened that a friend of mine was mourning 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.440 the loss of our friendship and that that friendship had changed. 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:03.239 And yeah, us to a certain degree, it did change. 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:06.280 And we're going to talk all about that. And again, 0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:10.759 Caitlin and I had have texted several times over the 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.360 last week, but we have not had a chance to 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:19.799 talk on the phone. And I'm glad because you are 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:23.320 going to get to hear everything as it plays out 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:28.799 in real time right now. Joining me right now from 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:34.440 her home in Nashville, Tennessee, Caitlin Bristow. Caitlin, thank you 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.200 so much for jumping on and joining me. Oh my gosh, 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.560 Chris Harrison, thank you for having me. I I want 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.760 to say, unfortunately, we are not holding up our podcast 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:48.880 tradition and sharing a few bottles of wine while we 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:50.600 do this, as we did the first time when I 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:54.200 was doing your podcast back at my house in Los Angeles. Um, 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.160 we need to get back to that tradition soon. But 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:58.680 I am at the home office in Austin. You're in Nashville, 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.279 So I'm gonna in it over to you. Yes, what 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.279 did you want to say? What were you hoping to 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:11.560 express in that interview? First of all, I hate headlines 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.120 so much because they never tell the full story. They 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.160 all it's always just you know how it is to 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:18.799 get people who just like believe one thing and then 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:20.319 they're not going to read the article. I mean, I'm 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.160 guilty of it. I read headlines all the time and go, 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:25.120 oh my god, and then I don't read the poll article. Um. 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.040 But in that in that interview, which I'm actually shocked 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.600 that it blew up like this because I feel like 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:33.960 I've talked about this before on my own podcast. But 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:38.080 what I was saying in it was not that you 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.200 ghosted me. I was just saying that you and I 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:45.439 were so close and when everything went down and then 0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.200 I got this whatever you want to call it, role 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:50.640 of quote unquote mentoring because they didn't want to pay 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:54.040 me what they pay you to host. Uh. They that 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:55.680 I was like, oh my gosh, I need to talk 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.279 to Chris. That's that was my first reaction. I was like, 0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.000 I have to talk to Chris. All the headlines again 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:05.440 are saying Caitlin and Tasia taking over Chris's job, and 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.399 I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold the phone. And 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:12.719 then obviously I was not thinking about what you could 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.960 be going through, So I'm only thinking about myself, going 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.799 he's not texting me back, he must hate me, He's 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.840 not saying anything to me, Like, obviously I did something wrong, 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:25.360 and I just, you know, went into a little self 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.920 pity party and decided to put the blame on you 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:30.080 for a minute. But what I was saying in the 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.759 interview was it's it wasn't about me. You were going 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:37.000 through so much at that time, and you probably didn't 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.040 even know what you wanted to say to me or 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.239 how to say it. And you're you're not like me. 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:47.440 You react with logic. I react with emotion. I was like, hello, 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.920 bombarding you with text messages. You weren't responding to me, 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:52.560 and I just needed to realize it wasn't about me 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:54.439 at that time. That's what I was trying to say, 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.160 And that's why I wanted to have you on because 0:38:56.320 --> 0:39:01.080 you know, going back and forth based on clickbait headlines. 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.360 And I, for one know when you're on a podcast 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.279 and you say a lot, and you kind of say 0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.320 things off the cuff, but when it's put in print, 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.880 it looks so different and it sounds so different, especially 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.520 when you line things up when you say, Caitlin Bristow, 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:18.040 you know, our our relationship went down the toilet and 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.160 I texted him ten times and he didn't respond, and well, 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.200 you're just kind of throwing these things out making a 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.239 grander point, but when you just put him in print, 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.919 it looked really bad. Because I'll back up and let 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.200 everybody in on on how this went down back in 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.560 the day. Was so you were right as all this 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:40.040 came out. You were on entertainment tonight and I knew that, 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.320 and so I called you that morning and we talked 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:46.719 a little bit, and you made the statements that you 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.839 were going to make, and we talked about that, and 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.600 I supported you and said, look, I totally understand do 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.759 what you gotta do, um that this doesn't affect us. 0:39:55.440 --> 0:40:00.280 And then subsequently, Um you and TASTI were name aimed. 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:02.880 We hadn't talked after that, and then when you were 0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.640 named a mentor again, we we will get into that part. 0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:11.120 So you texted me after you got the mentorship and 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.240 the Tin time. By the way, when she says Tin texts, 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.960 seven of them were just that day and I'm not 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.520 going to read them to you. But it was, you know, 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:20.239 one of those things where she missed a word and 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.200 she's like, wait, I meant this and meant this. So 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.360 it wasn't like you were hammering me with text messages 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:27.680 of call me, call me, call me. It was really 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.960 this one strain of thoughts that came out on one 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.920 day and then a couple I think a week later 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:36.319 or so you said, hey, if you get a chance, 0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:43.319 call me, um. And so there wasn't a ghosting um. 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:45.759 And I don't even know if you said I ghosted you, 0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:49.200 but that was just clickbait. Yeah. So, but as far 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.680 as the ghosting thing goes, that wasn't the case at all. 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.319 And it had nothing, and I mean nothing to do 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:58.640 with you and Tasia hosting the show. It had to 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:00.720 do with the fact that I was going through something 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:04.239 extraordinary and it had really nothing to do and I 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.359 don't mean this in a condest anyway. I had nothing 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.600 to do with you or Tasha, And at that time 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.200 I needed people in my life, and I circled the 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:17.920 wagons with people that could be unconditionally loving and caring, 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.719 people that were reaching out saying, hey, Bud, how are 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:24.120 you are you okay? Checking on my kids, checking in 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:29.520 on Lauren, making sure she was okay, and you weren't 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:33.160 equipped to do that because of where you were in 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:36.520 all this. I don't know what, does that make sense? Yeah, 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.520 but yes it does. And I this is why talking 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:44.160 it out is so important, is because again, perception is 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:48.600 never the actual reality. And so to me, I was like, 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.239 I feel like I did reach out to you, and 0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.160 then I feel like I did reach out to Lauren, 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.920 and I feel like I cared so much, but I 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.000 was also in such a weird position, and then I 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.640 understand that you were also into weird positions. So when 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.040 I didn't get text messages back, I was like, Okay, 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:07.239 it's just this is what it has to be. The 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.600 relationship obviously has to change. So then I feel like 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.600 I wanted to continue to reach out and check in 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.839 and talk, but then I felt like, well, I'm he's 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:18.719 not ready to talk to me, Like it was like 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.840 this weird thing that we should have just freaking jumped 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.000 on the phone and I know, And that's what I 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.840 was saying in that interview is now I know from 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:29.040 you know, the benefit of hindsight, I now know that 0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.640 was nothing to do with me. That was nothing to 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:35.319 do with like you said, um, and you were in 0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.480 a position where I totally understand. When you're going through 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:40.680 something like that, you have to really take a look 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:42.880 at your circle and who is who is in it, 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.880 and who's there for you and and who you know 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.840 cuts you out or doesn't talk to you. So I 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.040 get I totally get it well in the dynamic of 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:55.600 our relationship. It's not unlike many you know, look for 0:42:55.680 --> 0:43:00.160 twenty years I've for bachelor's and bachelorettes. I was the 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.399 mentor somewhat of it, maybe a father figure where I 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:08.440 listened and I asked questions and I was all about 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:10.800 you in your life because that was my job. And 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.200 I cared and I took a lot of pride in that, 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:18.080 and that's that's how our relationships started. At this time, 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:23.560 I needed that flip of just the hey, how are 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:27.520 you like? Are you okay? Not? Not? Are you okay 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.920 with me taking the show? And you're irreplaceable? And I 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.680 I appreciated those words. I did, but it was just 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.960 at that time I wasn't. I didn't have the bandwidth 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:42.319 to deal with all of that, and I wasn't. And 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.040 by the way, I really and truly just wasn't worried 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.640 at all about who was hosting and who was the 0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.080 next mentor and what the show was going to do. 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.440 I get that I was thinking of you, as Chris Harrison, 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:58.120 the host of the Bachelor franchise, worried about that. I wasn't, 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:00.520 and and I was thinking about our friends, but I 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.879 wasn't thinking about you as a human being and what 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.080 you might have been going through at that time. And 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:08.239 I think that's natural because that's how our relationship has 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.359 always been to a certain degree. I mean, it's it's 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:15.839 definitely evolved, as as wonderful relationships do. Um, but I 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.080 find I I find many of those relationships that have 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:21.880 started as the Bachelor Bacherette have kind of remained that 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:26.160 not one sided, but definitely more so. Yeah, just because 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:27.960 that's how it started. And I think some of you 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.120 kind of still look at me as that person that 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:34.160 you know. I remember my parents and now being a parent, 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.680 I get it, like my kids don't go hey, that 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:39.680 how are you doing? You know, what's going on in 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:42.759 your life? Tell me about you? And so when a 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.239 relationship starts like that, it takes a long time for 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.200 it to evolve out of that. Yeah, I never thought 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.760 about it like that, to be honest with you, which again, 0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:54.120 I'm glad to hear that side of it because that's 0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:56.480 so valid and so fair, and I never really thought 0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:58.520 about it that way. Well, it was important to me 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.640 to have this conversation, and I wanted ever went to hear, 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.799 and I'm glad we didn't talk. And I told everybody 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.520 leading into our interview that you and I were trying 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:07.880 to talk. But Caitlin is the busiest woman in the world. 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.800 For four days, we've been exchanging text messages trying to 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.120 set up a phone call and then, honest to god, guys, 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:17.799 I got a text at three am this morning from 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:21.880 Caitlin saying, hey, sorry, I never called you. Um, I 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.480 will see you, you know, for this zoom that we're 0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:28.239 doing for this podcast and my dear lord. So this 0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:31.600 show is about relationships, it's about love, it's about communicating, 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.759 and it's important to me. And I thought, you know, 0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.120 if I was younger and I saw maybe this click 0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:37.920 bait headlines. I would have been like, you know, Caitlin 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.759 is dead to me or screw her or whatever. Instead 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.360 I saw it and correct me if I'm wrong. Not 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:45.880 as a cry for help, but I said, as a 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:50.359 cry for a lost friendship and something that she has 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:53.839 realized that she lost in her life that's changed, and 0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.319 so she wasn't trying to shade me. It was a 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.279 cry for hey, I don't want to lose this, And 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:02.399 that's how I took it. Good. I'm glad you took 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:06.480 it that way because I have genuinely since that, since 0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:09.920 that moment of not getting text back, have been like 0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.080 grieving our friendship. Like I was like, oh my gosh, 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.480 I missed the days where I could call you at 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:18.120 any time or talk to you or like, I don't know, 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:22.200 I just I loved our friendship so much. And so yeah, 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.520 I feel like obviously I could have gone about that 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.920 in a much different way. But you know how podcasts 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.400 go now that your podcast, yeah, I know, well you do. 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.279 You get these interviews and you go into things and 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.520 aspects of it that you weren't expecting, and you just 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.640 start talking and you get pretty comfortable and you just 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:42.799 let it go. And and even the it doesn't take 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:46.600 much to crack that vault. But you know, even things 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:50.480 that came off awkward, like the meeting at Wells and 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:52.799 Sarah's wedding, I was so excited to see you guys, 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.759 Lauren and I. You know, honestly, the other thing I 0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:57.480 can tell people's I talked to j a lot. I 0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.279 talked to Jason. Um we talk a lot more than 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:01.759 I talked to you, because we you know, we also 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.400 text each other like dudes do about sports and stuff. 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:06.880 But I was so excited to see you guys at 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.799 the wedding, and it wasn't awkward at all. We came. 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:11.719 I was talking to Jason and you were talking to 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:13.719 somebody else, and then you walked over and joined us, 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:15.319 and I gave you a big hug, and it was 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:19.480 really sweet what you said. And it came off and 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.680 in print like it was awkward, and I want to 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.560 tell people it was not. When when you said to me, hey, 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:29.760 I miss you and I missed this, I it really 0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:31.959 hit me in the heart. And I gave you a big, 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.120 long hug and we embraced for probably ten seconds too long. 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.120 And you know, I, I said, you know, I'm I'm 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:39.960 I've always been here. I'm always here for you, and 0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:43.120 that's I didn't mean like, hey, I'm always here. It's 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:45.080 on you and that's when you see it in print. 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.400 That's how it came off, but it wasn't. You should 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:52.200 know that Caitlin and I were hugging, hugging, and I 0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:53.839 didn't whisper in her ear, but I just said to her, 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.560 it's like, I'm always here. You know you haven't lost me? 0:47:56.920 --> 0:48:00.000 Was my point to me the hug. I was like, oh, 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.120 got I genuinely like miss you. And when you said 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:05.800 I've always been here, that's when my brain went, no, 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.000 you haven't. You ignored me and you didn't text me back. 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.400 But again, we all know how I'm dramatic. That's why 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:16.080 you know you've seen it all too well. That was 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:20.160 how I respond. I respond always with emotion and I 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:22.480 wanted to be like but I didn't feel like you were. 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.239 But again I had to rel it in and know 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.200 that you didn't have to be You didn't have to 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.520 be there for me at that time. I should have 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.080 been more there for you, if anything, and I was 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:36.680 expecting you'd be there for me, and that was wrong. 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:38.879 I know, you were a little put off too during 0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.480 that time because I had spoken to Tasia and it 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:46.360 came out that I had congratulated her. Well, the truth is, 0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:49.720 Tasia and I were talking about something completely different, and 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.120 someone on the inside of production had let me know 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.839 that you guys were going to take over as mentors 0:48:57.360 --> 0:49:01.920 um host whatever it was named. But someone on the 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:05.520 inside let me know that, which I appreciated, And while 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:07.600 I was talking to take you about something completely different, 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:09.080 I did mention to her. I was like, oh, hey, 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.640 by the way, I do know this because neither one 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:13.279 of you had reached out and said hey, because it 0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:15.720 was awkward. Another one of you reached out and said, hey, Chris, 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:17.839 just know that they're talking to me about this. We're 0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:20.000 gonna do this. So while I was on the phone 0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:21.759 with her, I just brought it up myself and said, 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:25.160 just so you know, no hard feelings for you and Caitlin. 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:28.000 I am in no way angry. I'm in no way bitter. 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.200 I don't feel like you two stabbed me in the back. 0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.640 I would not expect either one of you to say, 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.959 I love Chris, he's my friend. I'm turning down this job, 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:40.360 you know, Screw you. Knowing, well, they're just gonna go 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:43.080 get somebody else. Why would you turn down that opportunity 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:45.600 when this had nothing to do with you, That's all 0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.200 I said to her. That's really fair. I feel like 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:52.840 in that time I wastly thinking about my own feelings 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:57.080 there um, I mean, and it was all because I 0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.480 freaking love you, that's the that was all where the 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:03.680 stem um is because I don't want anyone because I have, 0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:06.960 to a different extent, did not know what you were 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:11.520 going through because it is you know, it's uncomfortable. I'm 0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:14.399 friends with I'm friends with you. Then I get this 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:16.319 role that I don't know what I'm doing, and it 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:20.480 all just was so uncomfortable, and I just didn't I 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.840 made it about me in that moment because I didn't 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:26.600 want you to be upset with me, not even thinking 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.279 I'm not even thinking, oh, he's actually going through something else. 0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:32.319 He's not upset with me. This has nothing to do 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:34.040 with me. I didn't think that in the moment. Yeah, 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:35.920 And I didn't want to bring everybody else into that. 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:37.880 And as I said to you, you know, when we 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:39.839 talked on the phone as you were about to do 0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:42.719 that entertainment tonight story, I said, look, you know, the 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:45.359 only thing I can do right now, like if you 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:48.360 speak up, if you say something and it's taken the 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:49.960 wrong way or whatever's like, you're just going to be 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:53.200 drug into this. And I was like, don't don't come 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:56.439 into this. Um and and as I, you know, save 0:50:56.480 --> 0:51:00.319 yourself and just move on. And I did that out 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.600 of love, and I did that out of caring for everybody. 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:05.200 But the other thing is I as I as things 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:09.239 settled down and you guys were hosting the show, Um, yeah, A, 0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:15.160 it was awkward and be where would I fit into that, 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:17.959 you know, calling you and Tasia. Honestly, what I would 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.520 have loved is for you two to have called me 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.800 during the negotiation and during when they were talking to you, 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:26.960 so I could have helped you like I normally would have. 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:29.279 You could have called and said, hey, this is because 0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:31.839 oh my gosh, do you really think we would call 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.440 you to help us negotiate to that? You know, you 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:35.799 know I would have by the way I would have 0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:37.959 told you guys, I know you would have. I would 0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:41.839 have been like, hey, so hey, I'm taking your job 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.560 that you've had for twenty years. Um, I want this 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.719 to be totally normal, which clearly I did not do 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.840 a good job at because they were like, yeah, no, 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.880 well we're that was not on you, and it was 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.640 not on Tasha. It was not on either one of you. Well, 0:51:57.680 --> 0:51:59.799 I'm glad we're finally getting this chance to talk, and 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:03.120 I want to push the pause button for the moment 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:06.439 because we're coming to the end of our time here 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.759 on this podcast. But there's so much more I want 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:13.759 to talk to you about about hosting The Bachelorette, what 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.480 that was like, all the emotions you went through, what 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:20.240 you thought about me in that moment, and what about 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.160 you and Jason, how are you doing? Are you planning 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:25.759 a wedding? I want to hear about all of it. 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:29.919 So this conversation will continue because we have a lot 0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.759 more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on 0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:35.680 Instagram at the most Dramatic pod ever, and make sure 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:37.880 to write us a review and leave us five stars. 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:39.439 I'll talk to you next time.