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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever, and I heard

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Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison. Welcome to another dramatic week. A week where

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Speaker 1: I wasn't exactly sure what the big topics and big

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Speaker 1: the most dramatic headline of the week involve me. Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Bristow went on a podcast and talked about our friendship

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Speaker 1: deteriorating and how I essentially ghosted her. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have to talk about this, but there's only one

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Speaker 1: way to do it. Caitlin Bristow is going to join

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Speaker 1: me because we have a lot to talk about, but

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of other dramatic headlines to get to.

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Speaker 1: My beautiful fiance, Laurenzima is here with me. Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: has retired again after twenty three years in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: The forty five year old says, this time it is

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Speaker 1: for real and it's for good. And on that point,

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Speaker 1: I totally believe um that this is it. At forty

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Speaker 1: five years old, he is done. Well. The reason we

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Speaker 1: wanted to bring this up because you know, the most

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Speaker 1: dramatic headlines will be about the relationship headliness. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: he would never do that to me or to the

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Speaker 1: wonderful listeners at home. But even I am invested in

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Speaker 1: this right because when Tom Brady first announced his retirement,

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Speaker 1: pretty quickly his relationships seemed to fall apart. And then

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Speaker 1: we found out that he and Gazelle bunch in after

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Speaker 1: many years together, we're getting a divorce, which is always sad,

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Speaker 1: is always hard. Um. And then now when he announces

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Speaker 1: his second retirement, I turned to you and said, was

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Speaker 1: it worth it? And it's really interesting to me how people,

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Speaker 1: and maybe there's a difference in men women, you know,

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Speaker 1: my first reaction when hearing okay, so after all that,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was only retired the first time for

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Speaker 1: a weeks and he goes back as another season plays

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Speaker 1: poorly right or poorly? Was not good? Okay? Um? And

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Speaker 1: then now he's officially going to retire once again. So

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Speaker 1: one more season, one more mediocre season by his standards. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: was it worth it? I have two bizarre schools of thought,

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Speaker 1: and it's funny that your mind went there. My mind

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Speaker 1: went to when he immediately retired last time last year,

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Speaker 1: and the f t X crypto thing came out. I

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Speaker 1: think two things are at play here. One I think

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady was he was a big advisor and part

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Speaker 1: of the f t X scandal, this crypto scandal. I

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Speaker 1: think he lost tens of millions of dollars. And my

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Speaker 1: first thought was, Oh, he and his agents had to

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Speaker 1: it would also kind of turn the tide on any

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Speaker 1: PR problems. But when he retired this time, my first

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Speaker 1: thought was, you know what he did last year. He

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Speaker 1: went back to be with his boys. It was therapy

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Speaker 1: for him. And I don't believe and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know Giselle, I don't know Tom. I've never

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Speaker 1: met either one of them, but I find it hard

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Speaker 1: to believe that he unretired and then you know, a

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Speaker 1: month later, that's what tore their relationship apart, and that's

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Speaker 1: what caused the divorce. Maybe it was the straw that

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Speaker 1: thought was Tom knew they were headed this direction. They

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Speaker 1: probably had already started the proceedings and separating their lives.

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Speaker 1: And for a guy, I think it was his therapy.

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Speaker 1: It was I need to go back and belong to something.

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Speaker 1: I can't just get a divorce and not have my job,

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Speaker 1: not have my locker room, not have my boys. So

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Speaker 1: I think it was more therapeutic and cathartic that he

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Speaker 1: went back knowing he was getting a divorce. I have

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Speaker 1: nothing scientific to debate this on. Just as a man,

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Speaker 1: I could see that's why he may have done it. Well,

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Speaker 1: your career to be falling apart two. But I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I certainly don't think the divorce.

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Speaker 1: They must have been having problems for a while, and

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Speaker 1: mean that's the thing, though, if you can't walk away,

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Speaker 1: to give a very honest interview about it. Now. I

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Speaker 1: I've said before, I have to know I put everything

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Speaker 1: the ability to win and then walk away. And again, Hey, Tom,

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Speaker 1: open invitation to come on the most dramatic podcast ever.

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Speaker 1: I would love to talk to him. I will talk

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Speaker 1: zero sports with you. Maybe we'll talk a little golf

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Speaker 1: Hall grows up another big dramatic headline, and we can

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Speaker 1: finally put a pin in this story. Amy Robot t

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Speaker 1: J Homes are out. At Good Morning America. It is official.

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Speaker 1: They are gone. Statement released on a Friday night as

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00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: all news that needs to get buried. Is he the

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00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: trash on a Friday afternoon. You and I have talked

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00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: about this so much because I think we've seen so

433
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: much of our own struggle in Amy and t J's journey.

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Speaker 1: Um and man, I will say, I just look at

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00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: all this and I think, what a mess, What a

436
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: mess of the way that this always handled Because it

437
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: was something that ended up being in the press for

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00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: months I don't think it had to be. And at

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00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: the end of the day, now, I mean to me,

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00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: these were two people very beloved, their ratings were good,

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00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: they were doing well, and now ABC's got to start

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00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: all over again, figure it out. I think it was

443
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: all very poorly handled, and the damage control the source

444
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: reporting on this was pretty fascinating. The leaks that were

445
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: coming out um from the news room, from Exact A producers,

446
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: from other producers, and that basically stated exactly what you

447
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: were saying, that the morale in the news room and

448
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: at ABC News is at an all time low, that

449
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: this is something that should have lasted two days, and

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00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: it lasted months and then ended up in a meltdown

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00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: of epic proportions, and it's spawn out of control. There's

452
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: a saying, if you stand for everything in life, you

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00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: stand for nothing. I'm gonna invent a new saying. If

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00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: you stand for nothing in life, you stand for nothing,

455
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: and it causes an absolute mess. I just coined this

456
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: phrase because of something I kind of went through, and

457
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: I've watched what Amy and t J have gone through,

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00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: and it's when people in positions of power leaders stand

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00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: for nothing, they think they're being safe they're waiting to

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00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: see which way the wind is blowing. What are people

461
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: saying on social media? That's not leadership, And that is

462
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: what created this void, that then created this mess, that

463
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: then created what we have now where and I get

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Speaker 1: the t J. You know, the the affairs that came

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Speaker 1: up and all that they had no choice but to

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Speaker 1: let him go. You mean, because it came out he'd

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00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: had affairs with he had other affairs with supports, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: allegedly and so and then. But Amy is kind of

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00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: caught in the crossfire because she still has done nothing

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Speaker 1: other than get in a relationship with t J. Holmes.

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Speaker 1: But there's someone who was at work, yes, with so

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Speaker 1: many equal clearly, but if you're read between the lines,

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Speaker 1: what happened was a settlement was reached. Is it a

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Speaker 1: fire able offense if you have a romantic relationship with

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Speaker 1: someone who's you're equal at work? And what you're talking

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00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: about standing for nothing or standing for something? I think

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00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: that we all like to feel a sense of comfort.

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Speaker 1: We like to feel like a decision and has been made,

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00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: And the problem they had here was that no decision

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00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: was made. Think about how much you hate being in

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Speaker 1: a are we or aren't we in a relationship versus

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Speaker 1: if someone would just break up with you. It's like,

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Speaker 1: just dump me if you're gonna dump me, or let's

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00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: stay We're gonna stay together and let's try to figure

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Speaker 1: this out. The are we or aren't we? To me

486
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Speaker 1: is worse because if you've gotten dumped, you can start

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Speaker 1: moving forward. They were in this are we or aren't we?

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Speaker 1: And I think the audience felt that, the public felt

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Speaker 1: that their newsroom felt that, and people just want to know,

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Speaker 1: are we standing by this or not? And I do

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Speaker 1: think that if the decision had been made to support

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Speaker 1: them and to say no, you know what, t J

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Speaker 1: and Amy are going to stay on the air. We

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Speaker 1: think they're both really good at their jobs and they're

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Speaker 1: staying on the air, then I think the audience would

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Speaker 1: have been we would have been Yeah. The biggest thing

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00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: to me about this whole situation and it was a

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Speaker 1: reminder out of a lot of what we've been through. UM.

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Speaker 1: But I actually learned it years ago when I lost

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Speaker 1: my dad. UM is that you can be at a company,

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00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: at a brand, and it's in any industry. You can

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00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: be there for decades. You can feel very connected to

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00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: this company in this job but that relationship you and

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00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: your company. At the end of the day, they are

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00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: looking out for their bottom line, for their brand, for

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00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: their bottom line, for their money, and you have to

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00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: look out for yourself because as much as you might

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00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: feel like work is your family, and we all spend

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00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: so much time at work, right it's a huge part

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00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: of our lives. There's a motion in that relationship, but

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00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: it's still business and that company is still going to

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Speaker 1: do what's best for them, and it's a good reminder

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Speaker 1: of that. Three more headlines I want to get to

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Speaker 1: that have to do with kind of Bachelor related headlines.

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Speaker 1: Number one, first and foremost, Caitlin Bristow made some news

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00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: last week talking about me in that I had ghosted

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00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: her during her stant as host of The Batchelor Bachelor

518
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: when she came in, when her ination came in. She

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00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: did an interview on a podcast and it made headlines.

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Speaker 1: It made a lot of headlines. My phone is blown up.

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Speaker 1: I am going to dive deeper into this story and

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00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: just a little bit as we bring Caitlin Bristow on

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00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: for an interview and the two of us are going

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Speaker 1: to dive into this. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: I want to congratulate former Bachelorette Claire Crawley, who got

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Speaker 1: married to Mascot Sports CEO Ryan Dawkins. Congratulations Claire Um

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00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: someone who has kind of been a part of the franchise.

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00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: Was a part of the franchise for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: She was on one Pablos season and and we brought

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Speaker 1: her back as the bachelorette. Just always love Claire. She

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00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: was always just one of those people that I wanted

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00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: to find love, and I, you know, I thought we

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00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: did on the show during that pandemic season where she

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00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: was the batcherette. It obviously didn't work out, but it

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00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: has now and she has found her help. Did you

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00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: really think she found love on that season? I thought

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00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: it was just crazy enough to work. I did, I

538
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: really did. I did not. I thought, you know what,

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00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: it's the pandemic. There are no rules, it's bizarre. Maybe

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00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: this just will work. You thought that Claire and Dale

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00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: were going to make You know, I'm a hopeless optimist.

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00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: I am a big believer of when this happens, when

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00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: things happened like this, I am all in. But she

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Speaker 1: got married. By the way. A side note to this wedding.

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Speaker 1: Her wedding dress was stolen from her car? Are you

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00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: kidding me? First of all, who steals a wedding dress?

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00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: That's horrible. There's a special place in hell for someone

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00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: who steals a wedding dress, right, you know what it is.

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00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: So a couple of questions. If you see a wedding dress,

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00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: you know what it is. What are you gonna do

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00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: with it? What are you gonna take it to a

552
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: pawn shop? Yeah, they're going to sell it? Yeah, but

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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: can you sell a wedding dress put on I don't know,

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00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Facebook market place? Of course you can sell a wedding dress.

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00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: Well then I stand corrected on that, but still, but

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Speaker 1: if we take the positive spin on it, I was

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00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: really impressed by Claire's reaction. She said she just moved forward,

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00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: She got another dress. She said, if it's meant to

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00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: be this way, it'll be. And I thought, oh my gosh,

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00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: that is the right outlook to have as a bride,

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Speaker 1: because I've been to enough weddings and I've been in

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Speaker 1: a wedding of my own at this point to know

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00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: your wedding day is not going to go off a perfectly.

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Speaker 1: There will be some kind of hitch and your happiness

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Speaker 1: on that day hinges on whether you can go with

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Speaker 1: the flow. I mean, sometimes there's a disaster, but on

567
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: the little stuff go with the flow, and your wedding

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00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: dress getting stolen and her going with the flow, I

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Speaker 1: applaud Claire Crawley. Well, I think this shows that a

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Speaker 1: she's in love and be she has grown tremendously because

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Speaker 1: and I think Claire will back me up on this,

572
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Speaker 1: if if something like this had happened while she was

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Speaker 1: the bacherette, it would not have gone well. Oh. I

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00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: think she would have been pretty upset and there would

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Speaker 1: have been uh, some downtime in shooting while we figured

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Speaker 1: this out. So you see some growth here. I see

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Speaker 1: some growth. And I think it also just goes to

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Speaker 1: when you're happy and you find peace in your life,

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Speaker 1: you find peace in all of your life. And I

580
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: think that's where she is. And I'm so happy for

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Speaker 1: her and Ryan are congratulations. I still can't believe that

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00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: you thought her and they were going to work. I'm

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00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: proticing this, can I ask you really quickly. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he'll be honest about this. I know you're positive.

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00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: I know you're an optimist who from the show got

586
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: engaged and you are like I don't think this is

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00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: going to work out. M hm. He doesn't always like

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00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: to answer these questions. But I was trying to think

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00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: of somebody that. I mean, I was trying to think earlier.

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00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: I go early days for some reason. That's why I

591
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: guess I start in chronological order and work my way up.

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00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't know as many of those as the opposite,

593
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: where oh you thought it was really gonna I thought

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00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: it was gonna work and it didn't work. I mean, look,

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00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: could you look at you know, Ari and Becca? And

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00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: I remember too with Ason Mesnick that ended up being

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00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: in the Great Switch, just because there was so much

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00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: confusion and so much emotion emotion going into those uh

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00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: decisions Alex Michelle from season one. So just there was

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00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: times when I thought, you know, are they fully committed

601
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: to this? Um often it's the Bachelor's not the bachelorettes.

602
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: Women are just better at this. You're better human beings.

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00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: Men are not smart animals. Well that's the gauge too though, right.

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Speaker 1: I always say this, I think the greatest indicator of

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Speaker 1: a relationship success is effort. Like when you just said,

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Speaker 1: as someone committed, is someone trying? Because if they're trying,

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00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: that means they want to be there. If it's a

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00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: quick indicator to me, if someone's not putting an effort,

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00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: get out, because you can't make somebody care. Totally agree.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, Well, anyway, congrats to Claire truly, she looks

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00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: so happy and so beautiful, and she is somebody who

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00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: has been through a lot, and so I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: that she's finally found the right person for her. Before

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Speaker 1: we go to break, um, I want to make note

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Speaker 1: of this, and this is on a somber note, and

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Speaker 1: it just breaks my heart. It breaks our heart, dear friends.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Herron, beloved member of Our Bachelor World, and her

618
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: fiance Dylan Brown, announced their son Oliver passed away after

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Speaker 1: being born at just twenty four weeks old. The couple

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Speaker 1: said that Oliver died in his dad's arms shortly after

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Speaker 1: being born. And I don't have much to say it

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Speaker 1: all other than Sarah Dylan, we send our love, our prayers.

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Speaker 1: We're thinking about you guys. Um. I know this is

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00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 1: unimaginable at this time, and we just love you and

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00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: support you, and just know that thousands, hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of people are sending their love and support to you

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00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: as well. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: most dramatic podcast ever. I'm Chris Harrison. Easily the most

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Speaker 1: dramatic headline of the week is something we're about to

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Speaker 1: dive into, and that was an interview that Caitlin Bristow

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Speaker 1: gave last week where she was talking about the demise

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Speaker 1: of our friendship and how, in her words, it had

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00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: gone down the toilet when she got the job the

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00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: mentorship is hosting the Bachelorette with Tassia, and she expressed

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00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: a lot in that interview, and I wanted to dive

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Speaker 1: into this because I think this is really interesting on

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00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: so many levels for a relationship and a friendship. I

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00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: think many years ago, maybe when I was younger, I

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Speaker 1: would have taken this as someone throwing shade. She's angry

640
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: at me, she's taking shots, and then you get into

641
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: this he said, she said, going back and forth, Um,

642
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: trading blows. But I don't think that's what this is about.

643
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I haven't spoken to Caitlin yet.

644
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: We're about to talk. She's about to join me right

645
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: here on the show, and you're gonna hear it all.

646
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: But what I took from this when I read the articles,

647
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: listened to the podcast that she did. It wasn't a

648
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: cry for help, but I took it as a cry

649
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: for something that she lost, something that she was sad

650
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: that she lost, and that was our friendship. And so

651
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: instead of getting mad or even disappointed, which I'm not,

652
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: I was saddened that a friend of mine was mourning

653
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: the loss of our friendship and that that friendship had changed.

654
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: And yeah, us to a certain degree, it did change.

655
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk all about that. And again,

656
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: Caitlin and I had have texted several times over the

657
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: last week, but we have not had a chance to

658
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: talk on the phone. And I'm glad because you are

659
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: going to get to hear everything as it plays out

660
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: in real time right now. Joining me right now from

661
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: her home in Nashville, Tennessee, Caitlin Bristow. Caitlin, thank you

662
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: so much for jumping on and joining me. Oh my gosh,

663
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison, thank you for having me. I I want

664
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: to say, unfortunately, we are not holding up our podcast

665
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: tradition and sharing a few bottles of wine while we

666
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: do this, as we did the first time when I

667
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: was doing your podcast back at my house in Los Angeles. Um,

668
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: we need to get back to that tradition soon. But

669
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: I am at the home office in Austin. You're in Nashville,

670
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna in it over to you. Yes, what

671
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: did you want to say? What were you hoping to

672
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: express in that interview? First of all, I hate headlines

673
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: so much because they never tell the full story. They

674
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: all it's always just you know how it is to

675
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: get people who just like believe one thing and then

676
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: they're not going to read the article. I mean, I'm

677
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: guilty of it. I read headlines all the time and go,

678
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, and then I don't read the poll article. Um.

679
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: But in that in that interview, which I'm actually shocked

680
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: that it blew up like this because I feel like

681
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: I've talked about this before on my own podcast. But

682
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: what I was saying in it was not that you

683
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: ghosted me. I was just saying that you and I

684
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: were so close and when everything went down and then

685
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: I got this whatever you want to call it, role

686
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: of quote unquote mentoring because they didn't want to pay

687
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: me what they pay you to host. Uh. They that

688
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, I need to talk

689
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: to Chris. That's that was my first reaction. I was like,

690
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: I have to talk to Chris. All the headlines again

691
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: are saying Caitlin and Tasia taking over Chris's job, and

692
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold the phone. And

693
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: then obviously I was not thinking about what you could

694
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: be going through, So I'm only thinking about myself, going

695
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: he's not texting me back, he must hate me, He's

696
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: not saying anything to me, Like, obviously I did something wrong,

697
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: and I just, you know, went into a little self

698
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: pity party and decided to put the blame on you

699
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: for a minute. But what I was saying in the

700
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: interview was it's it wasn't about me. You were going

701
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: through so much at that time, and you probably didn't

702
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: even know what you wanted to say to me or

703
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: how to say it. And you're you're not like me.

704
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: You react with logic. I react with emotion. I was like, hello,

705
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: bombarding you with text messages. You weren't responding to me,

706
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: and I just needed to realize it wasn't about me

707
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: at that time. That's what I was trying to say,

708
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to have you on because

709
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, going back and forth based on clickbait headlines.

710
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: And I, for one know when you're on a podcast

711
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: and you say a lot, and you kind of say

712
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: things off the cuff, but when it's put in print,

713
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: it looks so different and it sounds so different, especially

714
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: when you line things up when you say, Caitlin Bristow,

715
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, our our relationship went down the toilet and

716
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: I texted him ten times and he didn't respond, and well,

717
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: you're just kind of throwing these things out making a

718
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: grander point, but when you just put him in print,

719
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: it looked really bad. Because I'll back up and let

720
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: everybody in on on how this went down back in

721
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: the day. Was so you were right as all this

722
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: came out. You were on entertainment tonight and I knew that,

723
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: and so I called you that morning and we talked

724
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: a little bit, and you made the statements that you

725
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: were going to make, and we talked about that, and

726
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: I supported you and said, look, I totally understand do

727
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: what you gotta do, um that this doesn't affect us.

728
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: And then subsequently, Um you and TASTI were name aimed.

729
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: We hadn't talked after that, and then when you were

730
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: named a mentor again, we we will get into that part.

731
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: So you texted me after you got the mentorship and

732
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: the Tin time. By the way, when she says Tin texts,

733
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: seven of them were just that day and I'm not

734
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: going to read them to you. But it was, you know,

735
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: one of those things where she missed a word and

736
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: she's like, wait, I meant this and meant this. So

737
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you were hammering me with text messages

738
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: of call me, call me, call me. It was really

739
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: this one strain of thoughts that came out on one

740
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: day and then a couple I think a week later

741
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: or so you said, hey, if you get a chance,

742
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: call me, um. And so there wasn't a ghosting um.

743
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if you said I ghosted you,

744
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: but that was just clickbait. Yeah. So, but as far

745
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: as the ghosting thing goes, that wasn't the case at all.

746
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: And it had nothing, and I mean nothing to do

747
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: with you and Tasia hosting the show. It had to

748
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: do with the fact that I was going through something

749
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: extraordinary and it had really nothing to do and I

750
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: don't mean this in a condest anyway. I had nothing

751
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: to do with you or Tasha, And at that time

752
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: I needed people in my life, and I circled the

753
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: wagons with people that could be unconditionally loving and caring,

754
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: people that were reaching out saying, hey, Bud, how are

755
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: you are you okay? Checking on my kids, checking in

756
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: on Lauren, making sure she was okay, and you weren't

757
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: equipped to do that because of where you were in

758
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: all this. I don't know what, does that make sense? Yeah,

759
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: but yes it does. And I this is why talking

760
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: it out is so important, is because again, perception is

761
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: never the actual reality. And so to me, I was like,

762
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I did reach out to you, and

763
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: then I feel like I did reach out to Lauren,

764
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: and I feel like I cared so much, but I

765
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: was also in such a weird position, and then I

766
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: understand that you were also into weird positions. So when

767
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: I didn't get text messages back, I was like, Okay,

768
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: it's just this is what it has to be. The

769
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: relationship obviously has to change. So then I feel like

770
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to continue to reach out and check in

771
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: and talk, but then I felt like, well, I'm he's

772
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: not ready to talk to me, Like it was like

773
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: this weird thing that we should have just freaking jumped

774
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: on the phone and I know, And that's what I

775
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: was saying in that interview is now I know from

776
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, the benefit of hindsight, I now know that

777
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: was nothing to do with me. That was nothing to

778
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: do with like you said, um, and you were in

779
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: a position where I totally understand. When you're going through

780
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: something like that, you have to really take a look

781
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: at your circle and who is who is in it,

782
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: and who's there for you and and who you know

783
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: cuts you out or doesn't talk to you. So I

784
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: get I totally get it well in the dynamic of

785
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: our relationship. It's not unlike many you know, look for

786
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: twenty years I've for bachelor's and bachelorettes. I was the

787
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: mentor somewhat of it, maybe a father figure where I

788
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: listened and I asked questions and I was all about

789
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: you in your life because that was my job. And

790
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: I cared and I took a lot of pride in that,

791
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: and that's that's how our relationships started. At this time,

792
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: I needed that flip of just the hey, how are

793
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: you like? Are you okay? Not? Not? Are you okay

794
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: with me taking the show? And you're irreplaceable? And I

795
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: I appreciated those words. I did, but it was just

796
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: at that time I wasn't. I didn't have the bandwidth

797
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: to deal with all of that, and I wasn't. And

798
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: by the way, I really and truly just wasn't worried

799
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: at all about who was hosting and who was the

800
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: next mentor and what the show was going to do.

801
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: I get that I was thinking of you, as Chris Harrison,

802
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: the host of the Bachelor franchise, worried about that. I wasn't,

803
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: and and I was thinking about our friends, but I

804
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about you as a human being and what

805
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: you might have been going through at that time. And

806
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: I think that's natural because that's how our relationship has

807
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: always been to a certain degree. I mean, it's it's

808
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: definitely evolved, as as wonderful relationships do. Um, but I

809
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: find I I find many of those relationships that have

810
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: started as the Bachelor Bacherette have kind of remained that

811
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: not one sided, but definitely more so. Yeah, just because

812
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: that's how it started. And I think some of you

813
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: kind of still look at me as that person that

814
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: you know. I remember my parents and now being a parent,

815
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: I get it, like my kids don't go hey, that

816
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: how are you doing? You know, what's going on in

817
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: your life? Tell me about you? And so when a

818
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: relationship starts like that, it takes a long time for

819
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: it to evolve out of that. Yeah, I never thought

820
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: about it like that, to be honest with you, which again,

821
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that side of it because that's

822
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: so valid and so fair, and I never really thought

823
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: about it that way. Well, it was important to me

824
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: to have this conversation, and I wanted ever went to hear,

825
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we didn't talk. And I told everybody

826
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: leading into our interview that you and I were trying

827
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: to talk. But Caitlin is the busiest woman in the world.

828
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: For four days, we've been exchanging text messages trying to

829
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: set up a phone call and then, honest to god, guys,

830
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: I got a text at three am this morning from

831
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Caitlin saying, hey, sorry, I never called you. Um, I

832
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: will see you, you know, for this zoom that we're

833
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: doing for this podcast and my dear lord. So this

834
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: show is about relationships, it's about love, it's about communicating,

835
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: and it's important to me. And I thought, you know,

836
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: if I was younger and I saw maybe this click

837
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: bait headlines. I would have been like, you know, Caitlin

838
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: is dead to me or screw her or whatever. Instead

839
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: I saw it and correct me if I'm wrong. Not

840
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: as a cry for help, but I said, as a

841
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: cry for a lost friendship and something that she has

842
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: realized that she lost in her life that's changed, and

843
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: so she wasn't trying to shade me. It was a

844
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: cry for hey, I don't want to lose this, And

845
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: that's how I took it. Good. I'm glad you took

846
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: it that way because I have genuinely since that, since

847
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: that moment of not getting text back, have been like

848
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: grieving our friendship. Like I was like, oh my gosh,

849
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: I missed the days where I could call you at

850
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: any time or talk to you or like, I don't know,

851
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: I just I loved our friendship so much. And so yeah,

852
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: I feel like obviously I could have gone about that

853
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: in a much different way. But you know how podcasts

854
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: go now that your podcast, yeah, I know, well you do.

855
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: You get these interviews and you go into things and

856
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: aspects of it that you weren't expecting, and you just

857
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: start talking and you get pretty comfortable and you just

858
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: let it go. And and even the it doesn't take

859
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: much to crack that vault. But you know, even things

860
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: that came off awkward, like the meeting at Wells and

861
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: Sarah's wedding, I was so excited to see you guys,

862
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: Lauren and I. You know, honestly, the other thing I

863
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: can tell people's I talked to j a lot. I

864
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: talked to Jason. Um we talk a lot more than

865
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: I talked to you, because we you know, we also

866
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: text each other like dudes do about sports and stuff.

867
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: But I was so excited to see you guys at

868
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: the wedding, and it wasn't awkward at all. We came.

869
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: I was talking to Jason and you were talking to

870
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: somebody else, and then you walked over and joined us,

871
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: and I gave you a big hug, and it was

872
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: really sweet what you said. And it came off and

873
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: in print like it was awkward, and I want to

874
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: tell people it was not. When when you said to me, hey,

875
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: I miss you and I missed this, I it really

876
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: hit me in the heart. And I gave you a big,

877
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: long hug and we embraced for probably ten seconds too long.

878
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: And you know, I, I said, you know, I'm I'm

879
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: I've always been here. I'm always here for you, and

880
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: that's I didn't mean like, hey, I'm always here. It's

881
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: on you and that's when you see it in print.

882
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: That's how it came off, but it wasn't. You should

883
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: know that Caitlin and I were hugging, hugging, and I

884
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: didn't whisper in her ear, but I just said to her,

885
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm always here. You know you haven't lost me?

886
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: Was my point to me the hug. I was like, oh,

887
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: got I genuinely like miss you. And when you said

888
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: I've always been here, that's when my brain went, no,

889
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: you haven't. You ignored me and you didn't text me back.

890
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: But again, we all know how I'm dramatic. That's why

891
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: you know you've seen it all too well. That was

892
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: how I respond. I respond always with emotion and I

893
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: wanted to be like but I didn't feel like you were.

894
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: But again I had to rel it in and know

895
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: that you didn't have to be You didn't have to

896
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: be there for me at that time. I should have

897
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: been more there for you, if anything, and I was

898
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: expecting you'd be there for me, and that was wrong.

899
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: I know, you were a little put off too during

900
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: that time because I had spoken to Tasia and it

901
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: came out that I had congratulated her. Well, the truth is,

902
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: Tasia and I were talking about something completely different, and

903
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: someone on the inside of production had let me know

904
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: that you guys were going to take over as mentors

905
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: um host whatever it was named. But someone on the

906
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: inside let me know that, which I appreciated, And while

907
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: I was talking to take you about something completely different,

908
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: I did mention to her. I was like, oh, hey,

909
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: by the way, I do know this because neither one

910
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: of you had reached out and said hey, because it

911
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: was awkward. Another one of you reached out and said, hey, Chris,

912
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: just know that they're talking to me about this. We're

913
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna do this. So while I was on the phone

914
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: with her, I just brought it up myself and said,

915
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: just so you know, no hard feelings for you and Caitlin.

916
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: I am in no way angry. I'm in no way bitter.

917
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you two stabbed me in the back.

918
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: I would not expect either one of you to say,

919
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: I love Chris, he's my friend. I'm turning down this job,

920
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, Screw you. Knowing, well, they're just gonna go

921
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: get somebody else. Why would you turn down that opportunity

922
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: when this had nothing to do with you, That's all

923
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: I said to her. That's really fair. I feel like

924
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: in that time I wastly thinking about my own feelings

925
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: there um, I mean, and it was all because I

926
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: freaking love you, that's the that was all where the

927
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: stem um is because I don't want anyone because I have,

928
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: to a different extent, did not know what you were

929
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: going through because it is you know, it's uncomfortable. I'm

930
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: friends with I'm friends with you. Then I get this

931
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: role that I don't know what I'm doing, and it

932
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: all just was so uncomfortable, and I just didn't I

933
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: made it about me in that moment because I didn't

934
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: want you to be upset with me, not even thinking

935
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm not even thinking, oh, he's actually going through something else.

936
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: He's not upset with me. This has nothing to do

937
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: with me. I didn't think that in the moment. Yeah,

938
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to bring everybody else into that.

939
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: And as I said to you, you know, when we

940
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: talked on the phone as you were about to do

941
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: that entertainment tonight story, I said, look, you know, the

942
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: only thing I can do right now, like if you

943
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: speak up, if you say something and it's taken the

944
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: wrong way or whatever's like, you're just going to be

945
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: drug into this. And I was like, don't don't come

946
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: into this. Um and and as I, you know, save

947
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: yourself and just move on. And I did that out

948
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: of love, and I did that out of caring for everybody.

949
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: But the other thing is I as I as things

950
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: settled down and you guys were hosting the show, Um, yeah, A,

951
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: it was awkward and be where would I fit into that,

952
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 1: you know, calling you and Tasia. Honestly, what I would

953
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: have loved is for you two to have called me

954
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: during the negotiation and during when they were talking to you,

955
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: so I could have helped you like I normally would have.

956
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: You could have called and said, hey, this is because

957
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, do you really think we would call

958
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: you to help us negotiate to that? You know, you

959
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: know I would have by the way I would have

960
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 1: told you guys, I know you would have. I would

961
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: have been like, hey, so hey, I'm taking your job

962
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: that you've had for twenty years. Um, I want this

963
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: to be totally normal, which clearly I did not do

964
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: a good job at because they were like, yeah, no,

965
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: well we're that was not on you, and it was

966
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: not on Tasha. It was not on either one of you. Well,

967
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're finally getting this chance to talk, and

968
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: I want to push the pause button for the moment

969
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: because we're coming to the end of our time here

970
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: on this podcast. But there's so much more I want

971
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: to talk to you about about hosting The Bachelorette, what

972
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: that was like, all the emotions you went through, what

973
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 1: you thought about me in that moment, and what about

974
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: you and Jason, how are you doing? Are you planning

975
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: a wedding? I want to hear about all of it.

976
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 1: So this conversation will continue because we have a lot

977
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on

978
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: Instagram at the most Dramatic pod ever, and make sure

979
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: to write us a review and leave us five stars.

980
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you next time.