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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly here with

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Rob King, and we're live from Steelers

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Speaker 2: training camp here at Saint Pencent College. Running out of

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Speaker 2: days here at Saint Pencent College. You guys are running

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Speaker 2: out of time to get on the damn air. Come on.

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Speaker 3: That's been a bit of a a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a lunch crunch lately.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the sound you here. There are these guys

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Speaker 2: finally getting on their headsets.

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Speaker 4: Come on. I was actually applauding, how I was gonna say,

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Speaker 4: apologizing after a sip of your extra strength to coffee there,

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Speaker 4: But I meant how smooth we were at getting in

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Speaker 4: and then Dale called us out in the air. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: nobody would have known.

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Speaker 3: I heard the music.

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Speaker 2: They would have heard all the time all the We

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Speaker 2: got to turn.

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Speaker 3: Down the volume and we have to exchange pleasantries with alf.

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Speaker 2: It's a line. They don't always go smoothly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, too many men in the ice, and this one

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Speaker 3: was less smooth than yet.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't very good.

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Speaker 3: That we're running out of practices and nights and dorm

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Speaker 3: room beds and whatnot. I'm going to a conclusion, are pretty.

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Speaker 2: Quick game tomorrow, tomorrow tomorrow. So you psyched?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think you're talking to Dale. Yeah, I am fit.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited about it. I mean it's been it's been,

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Speaker 4: uh a couple of years since I called a Steelers game.

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Speaker 4: I had a chance to fill in for Bill several

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Speaker 4: years ago. I think I did four street games too,

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Speaker 4: at the end of one season too, at the beginning

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Speaker 4: of the next, and it was great, it was wonderful.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to it. You know, preseason is a

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Speaker 4: little bit different. There's so many variables, so many more

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Speaker 4: guys playing, so many more in and outs. But it's

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Speaker 4: still football. Yeah, it's still football. It's still wonderful, you know.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm excited. I'm look go forward to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, the first one I've been to in

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Speaker 3: probably three years. I'll get the games. I mean I

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Speaker 3: should go to more like isolated Thursday games or Monday games.

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Speaker 3: I'm always home trying to soak everything in.

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Speaker 4: But right, you're you're covering the entire league, all right, right, right, Like.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go home and watch two games tonight. We

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Speaker 3: got we got the NFL New England and somebody Carolin. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that's the feature game, and then they'll replay

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Speaker 3: the other one.

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Speaker 2: I imagine that being the feature game.

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Speaker 3: Drake May and Bryce Young might both play.

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Speaker 4: True.

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Speaker 3: There you go, it could be worse.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it'll be worse when Drake May plays.

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Speaker 3: They may have the first two picks in the draft

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Speaker 3: next year. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right. So the Steelers they had a walk through today.

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Speaker 2: It was an open walkthrough, but it was a walkthrough

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Speaker 2: and so unpadded. Nothing the big glean from any of

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Speaker 2: this other than the fact that first the first offensive

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Speaker 2: line that was out there had Broderick Jones at right

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Speaker 2: tackle and dy have More Junior at left tackle. Then

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Speaker 2: when they went to the second unit, Proderc Jones switched

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Speaker 3: And Putano went the right tackle. Okay, that's interest. That

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Speaker 3: is interesting because I kind of thought, just watching the

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Speaker 3: last two practices where they did stuff, Thattano might start

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Speaker 3: the game at right tackle. But it sounds like that's

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Speaker 3: not the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as we said yesterday, it could be soon. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it's you're you're looking at, you know, the first

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Speaker 2: team offensive line maybe taking you know, ten snaps out there.

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Speaker 3: So right, all right, so real quick. I think we

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Speaker 3: talked about this yesterday. I remember you talking about the

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Speaker 3: ten snap thing. Is that all we're expecting out of fields?

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Speaker 2: No, that's a really good I think he'll play a

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Speaker 3: I'd like to see a lot more than that, because

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Speaker 3: he will be playing against behind a good note offensive

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Speaker 4: Well, the other thing is too, is that he's been

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Speaker 4: working with the ones mostly, but a little bit of

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Speaker 4: the twos and that would be probably the rest of camp. Well,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's going to be interesting. That's a

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Speaker 4: great question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, isn't out there more Warren her Harrows. I'd

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Speaker 3: like to see him with Jefferson and those guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know how much Jefferson play though, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious how much does he needed to play?

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, I think they're going to try to get

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Speaker 4: you know, the Steelers have always done a great job

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Speaker 4: the notion that here, I think and talking to some

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Speaker 4: of the players say it's not always the same. You

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Speaker 4: get an opportunity here, you're going to play here. You

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Speaker 4: turn on Hard Knocks and you know, they got the

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Speaker 4: ninetieth guy and the roster and they're featuring him, and

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Speaker 4: you know they got his wife and you know, his

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Speaker 4: It's interesting. And then you get out there and the

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Speaker 4: guy doesn't even get in the game and play in

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Speaker 3: That doesn't even kickoff right now.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think the Steelers do that, do they.

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Speaker 4: I think if you're on this roster, you're going to

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Speaker 4: get an opportunity out there.

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Speaker 2: Now, not everybody plays at some point in the preseason. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there'll be some guys that maybe don't get into the

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Speaker 2: that's not a good sign. No, I mean, be like

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Speaker 2: five or six that because it's ninety guys. You can't

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Speaker 3: You also, they'll get to put film out for the

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Speaker 3: next team. Yeah, you know, that's that's rough.

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Speaker 4: So here's the thing that I think is fairly obvious,

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Speaker 4: but it's always interesting too. So who's out there first? Okay,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna play your starters, except you're not going to

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Speaker 4: play your guys seven guys. I guess who are the

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Speaker 4: So even if you're going to get an opportunity, all

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Speaker 4: and what does it mean? And ota is and all

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Speaker 4: this is leading to you getting the first opportunity out there.

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Speaker 4: You know, guys are improving like Faltana and Frasier, and

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Speaker 3: To be out there?

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Speaker 4: That says a lot, right, so that when you get

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Speaker 4: So maybe they can tell a little bit more. All

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Speaker 4: that leads to tomorrow night. What are you getting in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think it's interesting, like Pickens will probably

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Speaker 2: You know what, I be standing there at halftime and

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Speaker 2: is uh with just his jersey on with no pads anymore?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so back Totanu.

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Speaker 4: Foul.

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Speaker 2: You care more about this than Troy does.

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Speaker 3: I'm so bad at it that I've looked in a

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Speaker 3: Seems easy enough until next segment when I screwed up.

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Speaker 3: So I assume he won't start the game, but it

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Speaker 3: will probably come in after ten plays. Do you think

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Speaker 3: he plays extensive from there? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do too, at least at least through the first half.

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Speaker 2: I would think same with Frasier. Yeah, those guys Corbick Anderson.

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Speaker 4: Right, and Anderson very very interesting guy.

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Speaker 2: And again we saw today like Isaac Sayamalu wasn't out

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Speaker 2: because he's not going to play right and Anderson's going

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Speaker 3: Good. I think he's earned it. Yeah, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: I think he's a good player. That guard situation, especially

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Speaker 3: really deep and really impressive.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing is going to be if Fraser does

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Speaker 2: then slide into that number one backup guard spot because

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Speaker 2: he's resumably still the backup center and a lot of

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Speaker 2: times teams don't like to play the backup center with

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Speaker 2: you know that right the fourth interior does?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Does the does him playing center now and showing he

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Speaker 3: I see what you're saying, because we've seen that in

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Speaker 3: the past, but we I haven't noticed because those two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not McCollums doing the third team center stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Anderson can give you that once you get in game

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Speaker 2: that's going to be the case. But again, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have you know, You've got other guys that can play

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Speaker 3: Daniels.

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Speaker 2: Daniels can play center. But you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: times coaches don't like to use their their number one

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Speaker 3: Like Hastin how or when he was a clear two center. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't pay where else, you know, like, yeah, the

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Speaker 3: get your jersey dirty.

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Speaker 4: I'm also interested as to who is going to be

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Speaker 4: so foutan who comes in and plays right tackle. I

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Speaker 4: think they've been using Cook mostly at right tackle, haven't they?

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Speaker 4: Has he played some left tackle? Dylan Cooke?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so in camp he was left a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so how much will Rogers start switching back? So

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Speaker 4: if it's more with Broder Jones on the right side,

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Speaker 4: then Jones flips over to the left side and is

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Speaker 4: going to play, presumably with a lot of that younger group.

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Speaker 4: Will somebody else come in and get some first half

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Speaker 4: let's say they play a half. Will somebody else come

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Speaker 4: in and get first half snaps? At the left tackle position.

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Speaker 4: Would that be Dylan Cook? Are you now waiting for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And then also just sticking

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Speaker 2: Because they have no shot of making the roster right now.

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Speaker 3: There's a chance one of those guys is good, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, that'll give them you an opportunity to uh put

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Speaker 3: No, And same with next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're right, and it's not a not a great

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Speaker 2: They've returned all five four of the five starters and

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Speaker 3: You're gonna stand around a lot. Yeah, I mean, we

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Speaker 4: Do you think Dale, that the team's reputation for allowing

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Speaker 2: I think opportunity outweighs some by that stuff. Just I mean,

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Speaker 2: for GPS. I'm going there.

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Speaker 3: I'm going there. If they're not giving me a.

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Speaker 4: Dollar, you probably have to be because you'll at.

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Speaker 2: Least get more preseason reps to right, you'll be able

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Speaker 4: You'll probably you probably have to be the under scouted,

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Speaker 4: an opportunity because the Steelers, you know, they have great

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Speaker 4: And yet the door is still open, the door the guys, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm really looking ahead here. But you know, Omar has

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Speaker 3: a lot of offensive linemen. I mean, people didn't think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, but I mean five

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Speaker 2: might need to draft a wide receiver. There's other stuff.

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Speaker 3: Picks that you might be shorter picks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know ten two knows, you know, running

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Speaker 2: you know, the cupboard has been stuck. I was just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you count Sutton is part of depth too,

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Speaker 3: and as an NFL player, that's corners the one position

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Speaker 2: But like Anthony Evrett has played a lot of snaps

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Speaker 3: I think like him and Trice and Rush and Watts

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Speaker 3: me feel a lot better about that depth. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just look at that, you know, in

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Speaker 2: people aren't overwhelmed by Dante Jackson and weren't when they

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Speaker 3: I think that camp too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, adds to team speed, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yep. And you bring to Shawn Elliott in you have

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Speaker 4: Kzy as your third safety. Look, no team has unbelievable

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Speaker 4: so do you need one more defensive back? On paper,

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Speaker 4: it's not an ink that it's solid. And of course

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Speaker 4: All yeah, right, but at least to your point, Dale,

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Speaker 4: might be on special teams. Like you, the guys that

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Speaker 4: James Piers making the roster.

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Speaker 3: They're not here.

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Speaker 4: So there's now opportunity for guys to step in and

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Speaker 4: at least, you know, and you probably need to if

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Speaker 2: And I think you know, typically when you go into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 2: I could probably count sixty guys on this roster. So

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I can see that guy making the roster, Like,

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Speaker 3: Open spots are there? Actually? You know, like when they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, for a while, sign Madakievitch.

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Speaker 3: You know that right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have three running backs, even though

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Speaker 3: your last receiver. That's interesting. Yeah, but the world will

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Speaker 4: But it also might come down to and it always

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Speaker 2: Special teams are gonna matter tremendously this year because of

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Speaker 3: Those gives dead Fitzpatrick a little bit of an outside

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Speaker 2: Where is rod is Michael Prewitch your fullback and you

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Speaker 3: And I keep going back to Trice, Rush and Watts.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing you're remember, guys, I brought

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Speaker 2: but he's really good on teams. We'll just elevate him

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Speaker 2: ends up on special teams. You know, it could be

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Speaker 2: designated game day special. Our true enemy is not revealed

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Speaker 2: in a row exactly, but it's all things to watch

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Speaker 3: Yeah, even Allen behind center, I expect him to operate

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Speaker 2: because Russell Wilson was up. But also like today, he

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Speaker 2: got snaps that tells me he's going to play some

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Speaker 2: in the game on front of.

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Speaker 3: Like Lulak on another name.

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Speaker 2: Wrongly destroyed, never got any snaps.

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Speaker 3: You weren't here, Rob.

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Speaker 2: That was a year they drafted Picket and he was

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Speaker 2: a seventh rounder, right, he remember that.

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Speaker 3: He just stood here, and I felt bad for the kid. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They won all their effort into Picket and Trubisky and

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Speaker 3: Rudolph and those guys. He's just standing here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and and Plumbly's interesting because they've moved him around

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Speaker 4: a little bit return game stuff. We've seen him back

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Speaker 4: doing that. They're trying to take advantage of his athleticism.

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Speaker 4: You would think again that his best bet is to

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Speaker 4: be on the practice squad or maybe he could develop

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Speaker 4: as a quarterback a little bit, but also work on

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Speaker 4: some of the other things that could maybe.

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Speaker 3: He can squad. What's that it'd be a valuable practice squatter,

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Speaker 3: especially even game week. Yeah, being the enemy, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he can do a lot of different stuff for

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Speaker 2: you during that that practice.

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Speaker 4: That's a great point. Yeah, I hate you're Lamar this week. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: go get right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, next week you're so and so has a really

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Speaker 2: good return. Guy that's shifty, and maybe you're that guy,

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Speaker 2: ye scat back or whatever. Just do a lot of

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Speaker 2: different things there, and yeah.

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Speaker 3: This time might next year we might be like he's

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Speaker 3: under contract, he's just solid three. We've seen enough of them, right,

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Speaker 3: that's right, he's cheap.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna make theme or somebody else sees

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Speaker 2: it and they scoop him up. Possibly that's you know,

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Speaker 2: you never know, but yeah, I mean there's there's lots

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Speaker 2: of intrigue here, Spots to be one, spots to be lost.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Again, I see sixty plus guys on this roster and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I can see I got make the team.

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Speaker 2: Where sometimes you're looking at it and going, I see

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Speaker 2: forty five and then I don't know who those last

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Speaker 2: eight guys are going to be. It could be any

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Speaker 2: of these thirty guys.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of spots to be lost, is center a potential

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Speaker 3: starting spot to be lost or determined that.

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Speaker 2: Has you you're not gonna lose that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think intense snaps if you're if you're Herbig, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I kind of think Herbig is gonna be

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Speaker 3: the Week one starting center.

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Speaker 2: We'll see. I mean that things can change, you know,

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Speaker 2: Frasiers he's been he's gotten better as this has gone on.

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Speaker 2: I think the first week or so that some of

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Speaker 2: the snaps weren't necessarily what you want in the shotgun

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Speaker 2: and things of that nature. But he's cleaned that up.

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Speaker 2: You got to earn it. Yeah, yeah, you got to

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Speaker 2: earn it. I know everybody's got him penciled in there

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Speaker 2: and he's he'll be immediate starter. That's not been the case.

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Speaker 2: Herbert's been good all right.

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Speaker 4: I mean Broder Jones was an immediate start on the

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Speaker 4: air line, right, and I think that these guys, although

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Speaker 4: he didn't play a ton of football, as we've talked

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Speaker 4: right at the college level, but you know, this is

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Speaker 4: about the time in which young guys need to make

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Speaker 4: their move right. They've done all the offseason work, They've

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Speaker 4: gotten familiar with things. I mean, if you're Zach Frazer

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Speaker 4: and you're making line calls, all that stuff has hopefully

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Speaker 4: become second nature. Now you can start to think about

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Speaker 4: about playing the game. And I do think there comes

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Speaker 4: a point and it's hard to do it in OTAs

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Speaker 4: because there's not you know, you don't have the everybody

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Speaker 4: out there, and you know there's more hitting and things

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Speaker 4: going on here. This is about the time and leading

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Speaker 4: up to this first week and from now to the

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Speaker 4: season opener, in which you would expect the young guys

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Speaker 4: to begin, hopefully to celerate the learning curve, to really

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Speaker 4: begin to grasp everything and to be able to play faster.

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Speaker 3: In NFL stadiums Now too, not right, that's right now.

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Speaker 3: They're on the hillside, right, Yeah, this is kind of

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Speaker 3: a big game for Fraser.

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio. This is the drive and guys get that

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Speaker 2: first game war looking here on cbssports dot com. This

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Speaker 2: is an interesting way to look at the two conferences

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Speaker 2: and it's a story by Jared Durbin. He said, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four position by position breakdown on offense, the AFC

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Speaker 2: retains the quarterback advantage, but the NFC closes the gap.

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Speaker 3: I can imagine that. I mean a lot of the

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Speaker 3: young pups, you know, rookies went to the NFC. I mean,

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Speaker 3: to be determined, but at least there's an influx of

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Speaker 3: talent in the NFC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you look at the receivers that came

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Speaker 2: out in this year's draft. They all went. The top

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Speaker 2: receivers all went to the NFC.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point too. Yeah, I was just thinking

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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, but you know that those things

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Speaker 2: have that been flucked and you know, yeah, remember no

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Speaker 2: real reason for it. The teams that are bad get

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Speaker 2: the earlier draft picks and therefore.

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Speaker 3: I know, but like there shouldn't be a great reason

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Speaker 3: why the AFC has great quarterbacks of the NFC doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It's not like the rules are different than one has

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Speaker 2: a d H the other one, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: some of the NFC teams have missed on some quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: you know, in recent years. But uh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: the AFC still has a clear advantage in terms of

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Speaker 2: quarterback play big time. You know, when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: you know, Dak Prescott or Brock Purdy or Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: or Matthew Stafford being the the standard bears in the

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Speaker 2: in the NFC, and those guys would be QB four

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Speaker 2: or five in the in the a f C.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Or even looking at a different way,

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Speaker 3: let's say Trevor Lawrence is the ninth best quarterback in

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Speaker 3: the AFC or eighth best, which is pretty amazing. He'd

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Speaker 3: be second in the NFC or third or something like

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Speaker 3: that too, or he'd be at least in that group.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he might be better than Party or Hurts

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Speaker 3: or one of those dudes.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's very distinct, and I think Stafford

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Speaker 3: is the best quarterback in the NFC. It's not clear cut,

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Speaker 3: but he's probably declining, you know, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: know that his best footballs ahead of him, right, I

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Speaker 3: mean to make it's more interesting than Kateleb Williams and

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Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels and McCarthy. They need to hit, they need

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Speaker 3: to hit and Bryce Young, you know, I mean those

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Speaker 3: guys we'll see, I mean probably a year away, no

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Speaker 3: matter what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Dak might not even be back. He

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Speaker 2: could jump to the AFC, right, you know, we'll see

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Speaker 2: what happens with Dak Prescott. You know, when you look

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Speaker 2: at the quarterbacks in the AFC, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, C J. Stroud, Justin Herbert, Aaron Rodgers, now

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Speaker 2: there Trevor Lawrence to attacko Viloa.

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Speaker 3: They might have.

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Speaker 2: Seven in the top eighty six of the top seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean it's definitely a quarterback heavy conference.

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Speaker 2: But you can win a lot of games and maybe

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Speaker 2: even into the playoffs without having the best quarterback. I mean, Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: Trump's a lot of stuff here, sure, but we've seen

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Speaker 2: it with you know, Josh Allen still hasn't gotten over

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Speaker 2: that hump yet. Burrow has gotten to the to the

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Speaker 2: you know, Super Bowl once, Lamar still hasn't gotten over

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Speaker 2: that hump.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean they're winning playoff games. I mean they're

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Speaker 3: getting to that point. But Mahomes is like Michael Jordan, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean when he monopolized that much Brady, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just eats up all the playoff wins.

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Speaker 3: I mean I talk about all the time, like twelve

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Speaker 3: playoff wins that they hand out every year, and if

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Speaker 3: he gets four of them.

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Speaker 2: And if you're in that conference, you can only you know,

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Speaker 2: you're only going to get one or two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, edible runner up's gonna two or three.

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Speaker 4: It makes it very difficult. I mean, how do you

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Speaker 4: judge George Foreman and Joe Frazier among the greatest fighters

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Speaker 4: of all time when they happen to be fighting at

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Speaker 4: the same time as Muhammad Ali Ken Norton. I mean,

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Speaker 4: when they have been six year champions in another era. Well,

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Speaker 4: when you're going at somebody like that, it does make

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Speaker 4: it difficult. But that's got to be that position has

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Speaker 4: to be the biggest mismatch among the conferences. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks. Yeah, I mean, of course it is the

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Speaker 4: most important position, you know.

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Speaker 3: But I would even look at boy, the AFC coaches

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Speaker 3: are so much bear in the NFC or their ow

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Speaker 3: lines are so much better. But I think it's a coincidence,

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Speaker 3: you know, the way that it happened. But I mean

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Speaker 3: a couple of those are first overall picks, Lawrence Burrow.

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Speaker 2: But even look at last year where Carolina takes Bryce

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Speaker 2: Young and the AFC got strong and AFC gets stronger

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Speaker 2: because they got the wrong guy.

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Speaker 3: YEA, right, that's a good point. But I was gonna say,

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Speaker 3: like Lamar was at the end of the first round,

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Speaker 3: Mahomes and Allen were mid first rounders. It wasn't like

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Speaker 3: the AFC totally bottomed out and just got all the

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Speaker 3: the easy picks, you know, the Lebron Lemu type picky

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Speaker 3: you know, get a little lucky too.

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Speaker 2: He gives the advantage at running back to the NFC.

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Speaker 3: I haven't thought about the other positions.

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Speaker 2: You got McCaffrey, You got the Jean Robinson, Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 2: Jamior Gibbson, David Montgomery, Josh Jacobs is over there, Aaron Jones,

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Speaker 2: James Connor, Karen Williams, Kenneth Walker, Zach Charboney, you know,

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Speaker 2: Austin Ecklar now in the in the NFC, Brian Robinson,

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift. It's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the more you say it, I think so. Because

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Speaker 3: McCaffrey carries a lot of weight there. Yeah, he's definitely

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Speaker 3: the one. And b Jeon Robinson and Bjeon Strong. I

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Speaker 3: think Bjeon and Hall probably balanced, you know, bounce each

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Speaker 3: other out of there. He still have Derrick Henry. There's

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Speaker 3: not a ton of other great ones.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, who do they who do they listen in

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Speaker 2: the A? Hal Taylor, Derrick Henry, Devin Chan, Raheem Moster,

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Speaker 2: James Cook, Romandrie Stevenson, Travis Atn, Joe Mix and Isaiah Pacheco,

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Speaker 2: Najee Harrison, Jaylen Warren, Zach Moss and Chase Brown, Tony

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Speaker 2: Pollard and ty j Spears.

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Speaker 3: It's just not this. They're not super dynamic game changers. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the one that kills the AFC is Nick Chubb. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and they didn't list them. I wouldn't list them.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize this till this morning. I was reading something.

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Speaker 3: He took a ten million dollar salary dumps for this year,

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Speaker 3: and because they were gonna cut him, they were gonna

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Speaker 3: cut He went from twelve to two just to play

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00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: football for the Browns this year, and they put in incentives.

653
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: They made it look a lot better, Like, but he

654
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: can get that twelve back if he hits incentives. He

655
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: has to be first team Pro Bowl. I think they

656
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: have to go to Super Bowl. And he used to

657
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: run for like fifteen hundred yards. Like, he's never going

658
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: to get the incentives back, you know. So he took

659
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: a ten million dollar pay cut. Yeah, I wouldn't count

660
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: on him for much this year. I don't think they

661
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: are right.

662
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I know everybody saw the videos out there

663
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: of him, you know that doing the squats and all

664
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 2: that stuff. That's not cutting.

665
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: That's the same thing. Yeah, that's not running cutting. You know.

666
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: He's always been a great lifter. Yeah right, He's incredibly

667
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: strong and that. You know, but again, when when you're

668
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: running at full speed and making some of those cuts,

669
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: can he still do that? That's what made him special?

670
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

671
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: Money talks, and I worry about like JK.

672
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: Dobbins and Chubb an awful lot because they're not making

673
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: anything this year.

674
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean from a fantasy perspective or

675
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 4: even a yeah, a real life perspective. So obviously, you know.

676
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: But I think that they're in that point in their

677
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: career after really bad injuries that the doctors that we

678
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: will never get privy to are saying, you can't give

679
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: this guy real money.

680
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know. I mean, was there nerve damage

681
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: with that? Usually there typically is when you have that

682
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: severe of an injury, and.

683
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: He had one college that was obviously rebound a grade

684
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: from that. But it doesn't mean you're gonna do it again. Yeah,

685
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: this was more than just a torn a cl too.

686
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: Is the two million guaranteed?

687
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: I wonder I assume not. I assume it's just his

688
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: base salary said.

689
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 4: It's not a horrible fallback plan.

690
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: But he went for twelve to two.

691
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: But I mean, I mean, they could have just cut him.

692
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: Right right, and I think they would have at twelve right,

693
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, then it might be still sitting out

694
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: there to speak at.

695
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: Wide receiver and tight end. They kind of combined that.

696
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: They give the edge of the NFC there too. You know, again,

697
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, you know you had Marvin Harrison Molak

698
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: neighbors room with Uh that's a good student. Jay added

699
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: into the NFC group this year. But y'all said, justin

700
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: Jefferson Ceedee Lamb, A J. Brown, DeVante Smith, A Monross,

701
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: Saint Brown, DJ Moore, Keenan Allen Pooka and Nakua, Cooper Cup, Deebo,

702
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: Samuel and Brandon Ayuk, DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett Jacksons.

703
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean there's the NFC is loaded at wide receiver.

704
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, AFC is not shabby.

705
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: Though, No, I mean, but it's chasing, chasing Higgins and

706
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: Tyreek and Jaylen Wattell and Garrett Wilson and Flowers and

707
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: a Mari. I don't know if he belongs in that

708
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: group just yet, Amari Cooper, Michael Pittman, Christian Kirk. They

709
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: mentioned all these guys, they mentioned all these He mentions

710
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: all these guys and doesn't mention George Pickens in there.

711
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: I think Pickens and put Flowers in that group and

712
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: not include George Pickens and even.

713
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: Like Andrews and Kelsey they're pretty strong too.

714
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are right. I think that the big the

715
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: NFC just has more depth. I think the top is

716
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: very similar.

717
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were more names.

718
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 4: Right, there are more names at first because I'm thinking, Okay,

719
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: you got Tyreek, and you got Chase, you know right,

720
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 4: you got Jamar Chase and but.

721
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: Then Jefferson and Lamb I mean, right exactly, but then

722
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: they still great. And I mean, I don't know, there's

723
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: no reason one should be stronger than the other. It's

724
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: not like the sports. But it is interesting if a

725
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: particular side is just loaded with the best offensive lines

726
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: or you know what I mean. I think there that

727
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: is an interesting way of looking at this.

728
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: Like you mentioned, the other thing is that's interesting too,

729
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: is to me is that generally, if you have better quarterbacks,

730
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: you're gonna probably have better receivers. They're trickle effect, they're

731
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: gonna get the ball. I mean, it's hard to be

732
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: a great receiver if you're playing for a team that

733
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: can't muster more than twenty hundred yards of passing right,

734
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 4: you know, So it is such dependent. It is surprising

735
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: to me that the NFC is higher ranked than the AFC,

736
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 4: considering the quarterbacks are such a big advantage, and maybe

737
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: some of those guys look explode if the quarterback play

738
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: improves in the NFC.

739
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: And not even taking a step further and say, every

740
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: position on offense gets better, the ball comes out quicker.

741
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: You know, you're less likely to put an extra guy

742
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: in the box. You know, your running backs could have

743
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: bit there's such a great ripple effect to playing against

744
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: Josh Allen or you.

745
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: Know, well, you guys know this in fantasy, right, you

746
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: know you have that running back who's not really a one,

747
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: kind of a two. I mean, he's a first string

748
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: guy for a team, but you know he's not really

749
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: a guy guy.

750
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: Like Tyron Williams of the Rams.

751
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: Then his quarterback gets hurt and everyone's like, oh, they're

752
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 4: going to rely on him.

753
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: He's gonna yeah, and the coaches are like, oh no,

754
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: now we got now we got on.

755
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: And then the other but the other team is also,

756
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 4: like you said, going to stack eight in the box,

757
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: and now all right, you're getting you know, thirteen carries

758
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: for twenty yards. And now they're you know, they're getting

759
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: so stuffed. They have to you know, they have to.

760
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: And he's not making the unblocked defender miss.

761
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 4: Right right now. And now all of a sudden, you're

762
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: you're actually worse, much.

763
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: Worse, much worse.

764
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: It's see Alexander Madison thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, that everybody says. Well,

765
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: And Alexander Madison was running as the number two and

766
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: behind Dalvin Cook, and he comes in and runs against

767
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: you know, every once in a while, and he gets

768
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: eight carries a game, and those eight carries he hit, well,

769
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: he had forty yards and those eight carries, well two

770
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: of them came against you know, defense. When he's out

771
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: there just and so he looks great, and then all

772
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Dalvin Cook gets hurt and he has

773
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: to be the guy that gets the ball fifteen to

774
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: twenty times. And he look up and he has twenty

775
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: three yards on fifteen carries. You're like, what happened?

776
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: And he's huffing and puffing in the fourth quarter like

777
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: I've never done this is hard, right, There's something to

778
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: that work or mentality, Like I really like the von

779
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: A chain a chant and Mostert was super productive. But

780
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: if Tyreek misses two games, it's a difference. I mean,

781
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: let alone the quarter of animal, you know what I mean.

782
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: I mean that when the game changers.

783
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: Are out, Yeah, even too great players are really good players. Yeah, yeah,

784
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: it could change. So I always thought about that with Jordan.

785
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: When Jordan left, Michael Jordan talking about basketball now and

786
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 4: Scotty Pippen, you know, took his place, and everyone's expecting

787
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: Pippen to put up the same kind of numbers as Jordan,

788
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: great player, Hall of Famer. But there's only one Jordan, right,

789
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: And what's gonna happen at Pippen? Now, everybody's game planning

790
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: against him. He's gonna get the other team's best defender.

791
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: Every defense is going to slide his way. It's a

792
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 4: little bit different deal, even for a great player like

793
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 4: a pip You take one great player out of the equation,

794
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 4: you take two out of the equation, you take Tyreek

795
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: Hill out of the equation. That has a trickle down

796
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: effect even to other great players.

797
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: Do you think Pipen would have been like a Hall

798
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: of Famer if he'd been a sixer or something else,

799
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: you know, like, no, No, I mean he'd been Maybe

800
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: a part.

801
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: Of it was winning all the championships.

802
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think part of it too is the development.

803
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 4: I mean, he was raw when he came into the league,

804
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 4: and so another team might have said, well, you know,

805
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: and that's going back to the conversation we had yesterday

806
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: about developing quarterbacks and do you ruin him? Do you

807
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: bring them along the right way? Well, you're on Michael

808
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 4: Jordan's team and you're going to be brought along slowly.

809
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 4: You know, you don't have to do you.

810
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: Don't have to We don't need you to score twenty tonight.

811
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 4: I mean he clearly had the ability to be a

812
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer. I mean even when Jordan left, he

813
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: he had ascended to that role. I think with the

814
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 4: question with pipmen would have been a question like we

815
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 4: talked about with the quarterbacks of development, would you've had

816
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 4: an organization that had the patience and the time to

817
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: develop you to your full capabilities.

818
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: But it's obviously much easier to be Alvin Harper than

819
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 3: Mike or Yes, you know right in any walk of life.

820
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Right, So.

821
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: I'm feeling it with you guys.

822
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: Right looking at the offensive lines, he gives the advantage

823
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: to the NFC.

824
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: The number one is there, maybe two with the Eagles,

825
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: and then I guess we start talking about I don't.

826
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: Know if the Eagles are still number two.

827
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: I think that's subject to change.

828
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, now I'm asking this from a guy who was,

829
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: you know, had been prepping for the game tomorrow night.

830
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: Where did the Texans line rank?

831
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 2: Not well, because they had injuries across the board.

832
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: Last year they were the most injured line in the

833
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: entire league. I think it's going to be very good

834
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 3: this year, though, Like I think they would be a

835
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: tier two offensive line, assuming everybody's healthy, every offensive lineman

836
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: on the planet healthy. In Week one, I would put

837
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: them probably six or seven something like that.

838
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that sounds rak. You know, they got

839
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: Tonsil obviously anchored the webs, you know, and then they

840
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 4: they've invested a lot, whether it's their own first round picks,

841
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: and they took a second rounder and Blake Fisher this

842
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 4: year to try to address some of that depth issue.

843
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: But you know, I think they're expecting Kenyan Green to

844
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 4: step forward this year.

845
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has better quite yet for a fifteenth overall

846
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: pick or whatever, but two drugs hardly played it all.

847
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: He was a second rounder. Jack Mason's a very good guard.

848
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: He's an unconventional guard, but he's a very good guard.

849
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: And Tunsel's great. I mean, they have seven or eight

850
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: linemen that have played. Howard's a good player, right, So

851
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 3: it's a good line. Right.

852
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: So and they went out and got so Tunsall was

853
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 4: a first round pick, right, they traded a first round

854
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: pick for him, That's what I'm saying. So they've invested

855
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: a lot in that offensive line. I just wondered where

856
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: it stood because I was in game preps. I thought, well,

857
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: this is a pretty good line on paper. Yeah, if

858
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 4: they're healthy.

859
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 3: And that's the problem is they never had them last

860
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: year and their running game was pretty darned bad too.

861
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: You probably got that really bad, especially on first downs.

862
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: Right and then slow. It got a lot of heat

863
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: for that. But what are you gonna do with the

864
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: young quarterback, especially those first month or so?

865
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: Right? Trust him yet, you know, right?

866
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: Right? And then then that underlines what do you think

867
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 4: of Damian Pierce? Right the year before it looked okay. Yeah,

868
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: last year when they relied on him to run the football.

869
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: They don't seem to like he seemed like he was

870
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: in the doghouse all year. Like if I were the Cowboys,

871
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: I'd call them about Damian Pierce. She doesn't need a

872
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: running back. But I mean, I bet you could get

873
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: him cheap. I don't quite understand why he was in

874
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: the doghouse as much as he was, because he was

875
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: impressive as a rookie and I liked him coming out

876
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: of Florida too.

877
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: We were talking about this and we're getting away from

878
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: the offense and I were talking about this yesterday, that

879
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 4: you go out and sign cam Akers, Right, you put

880
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 4: a fourth round draft choice into Juwar Johnson. It's gonna

881
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: be hard to keep a fourth round draft choice off

882
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 4: your roster, isn't it. I would think so are they

883
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 4: going to carry four running backs?

884
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: And made me wonder that's why I keep them? When

885
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: you brought up Piers made me think they didn't have

886
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: intentions of keeping Pierce on little whatever it is he

887
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: got in the doghouse, and they were going to dump

888
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: them before the season somewhere cheap.

889
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: They've been talking about how good he looks in camp,

890
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 4: but that might just.

891
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: Might be the sat Pierce looks really good.

892
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, he really looks like a fifth round choice Gutch.

893
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: I mean, he looks really good in camp.

894
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: I liked them. I just still didn't understand why he

895
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: ended up in the dog guys. I thought he was

896
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: better than Singletary.

897
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, maybe it's past protection, maybe it's you know,

898
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: miss you just don't.

899
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: Mean Miss said he might not even go to meetings,

900
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 3: or you know, maybe he's not doing what they asked

901
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: would do.

902
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know what the you know, the new offense,

903
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: he didn't understand it I don't know, but there's always

904
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: things that happened with that. Uh So that was the

905
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: look there at the at the two conferences.

906
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: But they say more about the old line conversation, like

907
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: did they dig into that heavy, you know, like not

908
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 3: super he It's not like naming Saint Brown and Puka

909
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: and blah blah. Right, But AFC North has some decent lines.

910
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: Just look like a decent line, you know, outside of Baltimore. Yeah,

911
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: Kansas City is a good line. Yeah, Baltimore's worrisome, to

912
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: say the least.

913
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: I found this interesting here, So looking at that and

914
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: then moving on to this. They they the AFC contenders

915
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: by tiers. Okay, they the Chiefs and Chiefs and a

916
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: tier of their own.

917
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 3: I guess that's deserving.

918
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the second tier they have Baltimore, Buffalo and

919
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: Houston Buffalo still belong in that tier. I don't know

920
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: any of them in Cincinnati.

921
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: Cincinnati's not Cincini, I think, since you'd be my two

922
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: had all those teams.

923
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 4: Isn't it interesting that they did a yesterday was it yesterday?

924
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: We were looking at the AFC rankings or the total

925
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: team rankings, and they had the Bengals ahead of the Ravens,

926
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: and in this list they have the Ravens ahead of

927
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: the Bengals in a different tier. I think there's warts

928
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 4: on all three of those teams.

929
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: Me too.

930
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: I think Houston, you got to see it before. I mean,

931
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: are you really committed to that? They do look good

932
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: on paper boy, and they you know.

933
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: But that assumes everybody Lestroud takes us a step forward

934
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: or stays where he was at. H doesn't take a

935
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: step back, which we see oftentimes a lot of young

936
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: quarterbacks do take a slight step backwards before they make

937
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: that that big I mean, you see the transcendent and

938
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: best guy that we've seen in the league since Andrew Lucke.

939
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: And even if he is the rest of the team

940
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: with him, you know, second year head coach.

941
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: And I mean, now you get the target on your back.

942
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean the plexiglass principal.

943
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: Yes, the plexi glass principle, which we are all, of course,

944
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: extremely well aware of.

945
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: So the Bengals are kind of a sleeping giant.

946
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 4: I agree, and I think that I would be worried about. Look,

947
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 4: the Ravens have always found a way to be successful.

948
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 4: That offensive line is worrisome. I think that what you

949
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: said with Houston, I mean they do look great on paper.

950
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: They look great on paper, and they added digs, you know,

951
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 4: and they add the defensively on the other side. Yeah,

952
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: to Neil Hunter on the other side, to go with Anderson,

953
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 4: I mean they look really good on paper. But again,

954
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: different deal when you're being hunted, a different deal when

955
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 4: you're playing a first place schedule. So we'll see.

956
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, those three Tier two teams, Houston's the only one

957
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: on paper that's better than they were last year, right,

958
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: I mean the other team lost more than they get. Yeah.

959
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: His Tier three contenders are Cincinnati, the Jets, and Dolphins.

960
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: I think since he's way better than that, we were

961
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: kind of went over that. Yeah, but they would be

962
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: top of Tier two from.

963
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: And I would have the Jets and Dolphins maybe in

964
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: this next group down.

965
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: The Jets, Dolphins, Brown, Steelers, wild Card, Wilderness, Jets.

966
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 4: Are we are we there on the Jets.

967
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: No, I compare the Jets bard to this group of teams.

968
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: What is it thirteen straight years they haven't made the playoffs, yeah,

969
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: or something he said for that. Yeah, I look, and

970
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers is a great player. I get that, and

971
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 4: maybe he elevates the whole thing. But if Aaron Rodgers

972
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 4: doesn't elevate the whole thing, where are they nowhere?

973
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: Six wins? Yeah, and I love Rogers. I mean, he's

974
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: if we're picking up all time quarterbacks, he might be

975
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: my second or third pick. But he hasn't been good

976
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: for a couple of years. I mean, his last year

977
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: in Green Bay was not I mean the year before

978
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: that was an MVP season, but his last year in

979
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: Green Bay was the twelfth best quarterback in the league.

980
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: You know, and the last time I saw him right right,

981
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: right right. I mean, I'm not doubting that.

982
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 4: Guy, right exactly. I just don't know as I would win.

983
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 4: There seems to be a lot of that though there.

984
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 4: And listen, maybe they're right. You could see a scenario

985
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: in which they're right for sure.

986
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: If everything, I mean, I think they're the most fragile

987
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 3: team out there.

988
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 4: That's a that's an excellent way of putting it.

989
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: I think that's the team that could how would I

990
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: put this bust? Yes, Like if they won thirteen and

991
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: even the Super Bowl, I could believe it. If they

992
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: picked fourth in the draft, I could believe it.

993
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: You know, we're gonna call him Matt. We're gonna call him,

994
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: We're gonna get vent a news. We're gonna call him

995
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 4: our skyscraper team, highest floor, highest ceiling, coming up with

996
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 4: a new name. You guys don't like, you're not buying it.

997
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: So in tier four, which is where I would have

998
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: the Jets and Dolphins, and I have the Browns of

999
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: Steelers with them. So in that tier he has Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh,

1000
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: and the Chargers.

1001
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: See those other.

1002
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: Three to me, aren't are better than the Steelers are

1003
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: better than all three of those teams?

1004
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: Right, And he hasn't mentioned the Browns yet, hasn't mentioned

1005
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: the Browns. Yeah, I don't like his tiers at all.

1006
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: So in tier in tier five, which there's one team

1007
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: and it's the Browns, and that's not so hot in Cleveland,

1008
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: that's his that's the tier not so hot.

1009
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: And here's why, sure, it's all Watson.

1010
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: Watson is a Cleveland Brown since twenty twenty two, where

1011
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: he ranks completion percentage. This is complettion. This doesn't This

1012
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with how much he's played or

1013
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: how little he's Yeah, completion percentage fifty nine point eight.

1014
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: That is forty first in the league since twenty twenty two. Wow,

1015
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: forty first.

1016
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: I say, under sixty is really really bad.

1017
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: NFL passing yards per attempt again, not something that is

1018
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: that is measured by how many games you played, right,

1019
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: six point five, that's thirty six in the league. Touchdown

1020
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: to interception ratio again, this is just the ratio. It's

1021
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: fourteen to nine, that's thirty first, that's thirty first in

1022
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: the league. His passer rating eighty one point seven, that's

1023
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: thirty seven in the league.

1024
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are just healthy games he's played.

1025
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that doesn't Oh well, he hasn't played as

1026
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 2: many games as these other guys. Know, these are measurables

1027
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: that just look at the games that.

1028
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: He's played, and his supporting cast is a lot better

1029
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: than a lot of the people ranked ahead of him

1030
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: on that list. I mean, he's had chobbed most of

1031
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: the time with a good mine and you could do

1032
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: worse than Amari Cooper and the Joku and you know

1033
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: that career.

1034
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: And that's among forty five, forty five quarterbacks who have

1035
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: three hundred and more passing attempts.

1036
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: So is that why the author has hit the browns

1037
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: of their own tier? Just because of wats Watson.

1038
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it four as a starter, pointing it

1039
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 4: out in Cleveland.

1040
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because the team around him is good.

1041
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the team around him is good. He stinks, So

1042
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: he stinks.

1043
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 4: I'm not I didn't think it was a good trade

1044
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: at the time. There's been nothing to disabuse me of

1045
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: that notion. And yet, if the team around him is

1046
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 4: good enough for him to go eight and four, what

1047
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: are they going to be when he's.

1048
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: He puts up these kind of numbers Robb this year

1049
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: and he plays the whole season, they will not be

1050
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 2: a playoff team.

1051
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 4: Okay, he can play that fifty.

1052
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: Nine point eight percent of his passes with a fourteen

1053
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: to nine oh god, yes, six point five yards were

1054
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: passing attempt they will not be a playoff team.

1055
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: This is ancient history. If he could get to be

1056
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: his peak performance in Houston, but that was like five

1057
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: years ago, they're the best team league. Well, you know

1058
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1059
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: At the same time he put some of those numbers

1060
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: up in Houston, they were two win teams. Because okay,

1061
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: so you're throwing in it. It's a Blake Bortle's effect. Oh,

1062
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: Blake Bortles through the first three quarters. You know, had

1063
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: one hundred yards passing and two interceptions. Well in the

1064
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, they're down thirty points and he's out there

1065
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: throwing the ball over the yard. You look up at

1066
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: the end of the day and for a fantasy perspective,

1067
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: all Blake Bortles had a good game.

1068
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, like sorry, but he was good. They

1069
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: weren't winning when they're bad. They were winning his career.

1070
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's probably bound to go back to Gavore.

1071
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: They like he had a couple ten and five type

1072
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: of seasons and missing the game here and there, and

1073
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: then like when he put up the huge yards, they

1074
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: weren't good. Then they gave him all the money and

1075
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 4: made the and made the trade for him based on that.

1076
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: Then the off the field stuff came out right after

1077
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: they gave him the big money, which right, I had

1078
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 3: to know, but before the.

1079
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: Trade right away before, so, I mean you had to

1080
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: be wondering about all that stuff, and happened he.

1081
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: Was holding out before then. I mean, he looked like

1082
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: the good guy for a long time because Houston was

1083
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: a bad organization. Yeah, I mean, like they had some

1084
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: stuff going on within the building too, and he's like

1085
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: I went out of here.

1086
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm a saint. I don't like what's happening here, and

1087
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: they in my contract.

1088
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 3: I want more. I'm one of the best quarterbacks in

1089
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: the league. We can't win, and then some off the

1090
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: field stuff comes out and they still trade for him,

1091
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: you know.

1092
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 4: Right, which is right? So here is my question. Jerome

1093
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: Ford still their number one running back, isn't it.

1094
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: I think he's just a guy.

1095
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: I mean that to me. Me went from Nick Chut.

1096
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 4: I know they won games and Stefanski won Coach of

1097
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 4: the Year based largely on that, you know, the lack

1098
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: of quarterback play and the injuries and the injury to

1099
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 4: Chubb and all that stuff. But I'm really really surprised

1100
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 4: that they didn't do something, do something at the running

1101
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 4: back position.

1102
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: And I think why, and I'm sure it comes from ownership.

1103
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: Is we made this Watson trade. We're not going to

1104
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: be a Chubb centric team anymore. We're gonna be a

1105
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: watch Watson centric.

1106
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: And making moves to get wide receiver. We gonna make

1107
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: it game. We're going to go as good as possible

1108
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: for Shawn. How about this little stat on Deshaun Watson

1109
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one, he completed forty

1110
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: three percent of his passes twenty or more that had

1111
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: twenty or more are yards, which was sixth best in

1112
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: the NFL.

1113
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: Yes, it used to be a good d passer.

1114
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: Now in his time in Cleveland, he's completed twenty eight

1115
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: percent of those passes, which is thirty eight out of

1116
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: forty five quarterbacks.

1117
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: Well, that's who he is. Yeah, that is who he is.

1118
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: It would be shocking if he can turn it back

1119
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: around to be a top five guy. Yeah, I mean

1120
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: more so than him getting benched. I mean, I think

1121
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 3: he's much closer to getting benched or they're.

1122
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: Not going to bench him some kind of fantom injury

1123
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: or something. They're not going to bench a guy who's

1124
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: who's guaranteed that much money. They can't.

1125
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: He's a sixty four million dollar cap in the next

1126
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: two years. That's insane. I'm married to him. Talk about this.

1127
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: I saw I guaranteed. I mentioned this too. We know

1128
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: who's at the bottom of this thing. Yeah, and I

1129
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: think we all agree with that. But MGM put this

1130
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: out MGM gambling or whatever. So the Browns are winning

1131
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 2: a new stadium now New Dome Stadium.

1132
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: Outside didn't they put out the visual between.

1133
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: Two point four and four billion dollars is the is

1134
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: the price tag on it? If that happens, Cleveland Brown Stadium,

1135
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: First Energy, Steadum whatever they're calling it this week, would

1136
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: be the first stadium in NFL history to open and

1137
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: close without hosting a playoff game.

1138
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: Wow. It's a long time in NFL. Three time. If

1139
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 3: they don't this year, yeah wow, I mean I still

1140
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 3: did one of the most remarkable stats there was for

1141
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: late in Ben's career. He had more wins there than

1142
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: any Brown's quarterback. That's insane.

1143
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: That is insane.

1144
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: It's just because they just do stupid stuff. Stupid move

1145
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: after stupid the Watson one.

1146
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: I mean, just when things were going well and you

1147
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: had to exactly. They're very analytically based front office for

1148
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: better or worse, but they are, and they go to

1149
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: a totally backwards and it has to be ownership. Yeah,

1150
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: you know, the GM doesn't make that move just because

1151
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 3: he wants to. I mean, that's the biggest move in

1152
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 3: the last five You make that move because you got

1153
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: told to right, right, and I think he was going

1154
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: to Atlanta right.

1155
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were out and then all of a sudden

1156
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: they're back into it because they all right, we're just

1157
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: going to back the boatload of money up here, and.

1158
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: They got a lot of money. Yeah, Okay, we'll see

1159
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: where're at. Absolutely, let's get to another break. He is

1160
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. That's Rob King. I am Dale Lolly. You're

1161
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: listening to The Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and

1162
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We're live from Steelers training camp here

1163
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: at Saint Vincent College of Steelers wrapping up their final

1164
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: practice before their first preseason game tomorrow night at seven

1165
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: o'clock against Houston Texans at Akershire Stadium. We'll be back

1166
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: with more right after this.

1167
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

1168
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

1169
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: and Gold car Steelers Nation Radio.

1170
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly here with Rob King

1171
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: Matt Williams, and we are live at Saint Vincent College

1172
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 2: here in the beautiful La Troup. A little overcast today Inletrop.

1173
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: I guess the rain is coming, guys. What are we

1174
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: thinking for a kickoff tomorrow? Rain?

1175
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: A lot of it?

1176
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: Huh rain, Yeah, we're gonna get the fallout from the hurricane.

1177
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be funneling right up through Pennsylvania here,

1178
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: and yeah, hopefully no lightning. That's the worst. That's the

1179
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: last thing, especially for the folks as the host in

1180
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: the postgame show, all of us, we're all gonna ship there.

1181
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be there just as late as you are.

1182
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I guess you'll be telling Yeah.

1183
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: I usually usually for for a game like that, I

1184
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: get I go out, get in my car, and the

1185
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: post game show is ending, and I'm still not like,

1186
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: I'm not even close to being home yet. Yeah, so

1187
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: it ain't just you, pal, I'm.

1188
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: There late in a game of the years.

1189
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of times, a lot of times

1190
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: when I get into the car, the post game show

1191
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: is done, so you know, plenty of stuff to do there,

1192
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: plenty of no delays.

1193
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: I think the.

1194
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: Fans who are going to be there tomorrow don't want

1195
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: any delays either.

1196
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: I don't think they'll stay particularly long if there are too, Yeah.

1197
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: Especially if it's lightning. So, guys, who are you most

1198
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 2: interested in seeing play tomorrow?

1199
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: Whats Watts really? A little bit? I mean, I think

1200
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: there's talent there. I think there's special teams needs he

1201
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: could fill Is he going to be safety in it up?

1202
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: Is he gonna be nickeling it up? See they listen?

1203
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: Is a strong saying. I know, I mean will he

1204
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: come down and cover the slot? And I mean I'm

1205
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: reaching a little bit, but I mean you could easily

1206
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: say I do.

1207
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: Well, you can easily say it or not easily say

1208
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: fan at the right tackle will be interesting. I think

1209
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 4: the offensive lineman, for sure Watts. And the other guy

1210
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: that I am really interested in watching is Corey Trice.

1211
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 4: And what are these guys gonna do? Are these guys

1212
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 4: going to have the opportunity to make a splash on

1213
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: special teams? And if they make a spec splash on

1214
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 4: special teams, they're making the roster, you know what I mean?

1215
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 4: And I think that those are those are two guys

1216
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 4: that kind of look the part. They look the part

1217
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 4: of guys that could be good on special teams and

1218
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 4: good on you know, covering in this new kickoff thing.

1219
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 4: And you know where are we going to see him

1220
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: lining up on punt team in addition to defense. So

1221
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 4: those are two guys I'm really interested in. And I

1222
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 4: think the nick back situation so.

1223
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: Real quick on the secondary, this is a great team

1224
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: to play to challenge. Even if Straddling plays a series.

1225
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: They're still going to spread it out and play a

1226
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: lot of David is a.

1227
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: Good preseason quarterback, and they're deep at receiver, they're deep

1228
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 3: at tight end. They got some young guys like Mechi.

1229
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure they want to play a lot that they

1230
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: that they're super excited about, but can't crack their top three.

1231
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: So I mean that would be one.

1232
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: So everybody's focused on the Brandon Ayuk stuff. Yeah, Mechi

1233
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: would be somebody I'd look at and go, maybe we

1234
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: can pry that guy off of them.

1235
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: He's going to the year three. You know, he's still young. Yeah,

1236
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: I think he's over all the.

1237
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: But they've they've kind of moved past that.

1238
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 3: I mean, trade for Digg, sure, but it's.

1239
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: Almost it's it's really it's it's very similar to the

1240
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: Van Jefferson situation with the Rams. Yeah, yeah, where you

1241
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: spend a high draft pick on the guy he gets

1242
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: for no reason, no fall of his own. And Maychi's instance.

1243
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: For sure, he comes out, they find out he has leukemia.

1244
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: Missus his rookie miss his whole rookie year last season.

1245
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: You know, it is essentially his rookie season and all

1246
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: these other guys emerge, and then you go trade for

1247
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 2: stuff on Digs.

1248
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: Like yeah, and people talking about him favorably in camp

1249
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 3: and practice and all this stuff. Robert Woods is still there.

1250
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: Could you get a guy like Michie for a fourth

1251
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: round draft pick?

1252
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: I would think so. I would think so.

1253
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 2: But Slayton, you.

1254
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 4: Also bring up the point about the secondary. So when

1255
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: you're talking about you know, they're so you got Digs,

1256
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 4: you have Dell, and you have Nico as your top

1257
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 4: three receivers. Well, then it is an interesting group.

1258
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: Uh.

1259
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 4: You know you have Noah Brown, you have Robert Woods.

1260
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: Brown's another one there. You have they like Xavier Hutchinson. Yeah,

1261
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: he was like mid round picker.

1262
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 4: He looked good in the Hall of Fame game.

1263
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: They're not gonna keep too many receivers.

1264
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 4: They have four guys.

1265
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: Woods is in trouble of course, right.

1266
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have four guys in their second team. But

1267
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: again to your point about just as far as operating

1268
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: against his team, whether it's Mills or Keenum coming in

1269
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 4: with that next group.

1270
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: Of receivers, their NFL quarterbacks too, and their NFO.

1271
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 4: NFL quarterbacks and NFL caliber receivers to test your young guys, which,

1272
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 4: by the way, is a good way to kind of

1273
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 4: get into it. And the Texas have the advantage of

1274
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 4: having already played a game and and work through some

1275
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 4: kinks and been out there and seen live things happening.

1276
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: But you know, if you're if you're looking to get

1277
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 4: a Darius Rush or a Cordy Trice or Ryan Watts,

1278
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 4: some of these young guys into the game, it's better

1279
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 4: to get him in there against NFL caliber players, but

1280
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 4: not necessarily. You know, Stefon Diggs.

1281
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: Right right, And I say that they're gonna be good

1282
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: players on the field when Trice and those guys get

1283
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: out there right already played.

1284
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: That's a great point.

1285
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 3: Good. Yeah.

1286
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: The guy I want to see is Peyton Wilson. Sure,

1287
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: I want to see him out there. I want to

1288
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: see if you know, how much is he calling the defense?

1289
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: How much you know, no queen, no queen is out Yeah,

1290
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: he's he's the guy out there. Watch him fly around

1291
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 2: and you know, does he does he look at the place,

1292
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: does he does he take false steps? Does he you know,

1293
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: get manipulated by those veteran quarterbacks x that uh you

1294
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: know are out there. You know, did they bring him

1295
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: up and put him in the slot at times and

1296
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: and see some of that stuff, because we we've seen

1297
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: bits and pieces of that. You know, I expect him

1298
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: to be very active in this first preseason game.

1299
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dalton Charltz and Brevin Jordan a couple of guys

1300
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: at tight end that you know, he could be wind

1301
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: up being matched up with Dale. We're at the press

1302
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 4: conference yesterday.

1303
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: One to they have a third tight end of note,

1304
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: uh yeah, Ca Stover, Yeah, yeah, prospect.

1305
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's really good friends evidently with c J.

1306
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 4: Stroud c J Stroud, so he might look his way

1307
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 4: a little bit out here we go. Although they lost

1308
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 4: uh uh team Quatoriano in the Hall of Fame game.

1309
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 4: He's a fourth tight end that they like. That's probably

1310
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 4: they they have. They have great depth on offense.

1311
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: Case Keenum should carve up third s defense.

1312
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: That's right, you know what I mean, that's right if

1313
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: they can protect him.

1314
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 4: Was was Peyton Wilson brought up to Mike tom And and

1315
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 4: asked about or did he bring him up?

1316
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: No, he was brought up.

1317
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: He had a lot of really positive things to say

1318
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 4: about Peyton Wilson about you know, this physical conditioning, and

1319
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: I think it was made note of early on that

1320
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 4: he was the first guy out on the practice field.

1321
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 4: I think the attentiveness in meetings, you know, and a

1322
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 4: lot of times I think, guys, we you know, we

1323
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 4: were not in the meetings, right, we're not allowed in

1324
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: the meetings. But I think maybe some of that is

1325
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 4: manifested by what you're seeing out on the field. Absolutely,

1326
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 4: you know, so hey, if you're working with the second team,

1327
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 4: that that problem, especially early in camp. That means you

1328
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 4: showed up on time and you paid attention and all

1329
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 4: the things that coaches like to see that. Peyton Wilson

1330
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 4: has been impressive. He was impressive in OTAs he's been

1331
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 4: impressive in camp. I think he was a guy that

1332
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 4: you know, clearly was I wonder if there were, you know,

1333
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: the health issues weren't there Matt whether he would have

1334
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 4: been drafted higher as well.

1335
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: He's probably the best linebacker in the country last year

1336
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: at college football player and he won the award for it.

1337
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 3: That gets the buckets or ben Erica for both anybody

1338
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: in both, Yeah, the one was Defensive Player of the Year,

1339
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: the Linebacker of the Year. I think there's a really

1340
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: good chance that assuming Queen stays healthy, that Wilson has

1341
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: the second most snaps at the end of the season

1342
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: at that position. And that's not a knock on Roberts,

1343
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: but Holkom's probably not going to start the season. You're

1344
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: probably gonna play a lot more nickel with which I

1345
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: assume would be Wilson and Queen. I mean the way

1346
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: that they cover ground and run. I mean, that's not

1347
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: really Roberts bag, although he was better than that than

1348
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 3: I thought. And Wilson's interesting to me, like when you

1349
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: pass him in the cafeteria. I mean, he's kind of

1350
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 3: got that Lambert look about him, Like he's skinnier than

1351
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: you think, but he's wiry and stronger than you think.

1352
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 3: And he's tall and he's got a smaller waist. You know,

1353
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: he doesn't look like Roberts or you know, some of

1354
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: those thicker guys.

1355
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see that there's advantage. I want

1356
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: to see Tomarvin Lee al as well.

1357
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1358
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: I think the al has had a pretty good camp,

1359
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: you know, I think maybe the light has come on

1360
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: for him and and uh, you know they've they've used

1361
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: him someone outside linebacker, do they do they try some

1362
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: of that in this game, you know, can he can

1363
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: he then kick inside and rush to pass a little bit.

1364
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: He's showing some juice in this one. I'd love to

1365
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 2: see him beat up on twos and threes like beat

1366
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: up on them, you know.

1367
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think when you look at not

1368
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 4: only this year, but the coming years and you look

1369
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 4: at so defensive line, that was one of the positions

1370
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 4: where people were saying, hey, do they need to address

1371
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 4: that in this year's draft, and they did really right,

1372
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 4: So is of all the guys they have to you

1373
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 4: bringing a veteran like Lowry who hasn't been out here

1374
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 4: because he's been injured, but figures to be on the team.

1375
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 4: You have guys like Fojoko who've been around a little

1376
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 4: bit who I think you have some expectations for montrevious Adams.

1377
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 3: I kind of know who they are.

1378
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Isaiah is probably in that trending toward

1379
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 4: being in that category. Le Al is the one guy

1380
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 4: that's that seems to me to have you know, that

1381
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 4: really like a wild card. Yeah, that upside that you

1382
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 4: know you haven't you saw it a little bit as rookie.

1383
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 4: You didn't see it as much as you wanted to

1384
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 4: last year. So you know, does he pick back up

1385
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 4: where he left after his rookie see, and does he

1386
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 4: become the kind of guy where you're like, Okay, well

1387
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: maybe that need isn't quite as great as we thought

1388
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 4: on the defensive line.

1389
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you think of the front as a

1390
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 3: four man front with Watton high Smith as your ends

1391
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 3: and two big guys in the middle, which we know

1392
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: in this league is a high percentage of snaps, if

1393
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: you could if if le Al becomes a dude and

1394
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: between Cam Ogan, Joby Benton and Leal, that's a nice

1395
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 3: four man rotation for two spots, right, Yeah.

1396
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 4: And then you and then next year in the draft

1397
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 4: instead of saying, well we got to spend our first

1398
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 4: round pick on a defensive lineman.

1399
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 3: Cam's getting hold of the job.

1400
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 4: Maybe now you're looking at a corner, you're looking at

1401
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 4: a receiver, or you're thinking, hey, we can maybe get

1402
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 4: just what we need in the second round and use

1403
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 4: that valuable first round pick in another position. So he's

1404
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 4: a I think you're right, Dale, I think he's a

1405
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 4: really really interesting guy.

1406
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: I think a lot of Steeler fans will be surprised

1407
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: as well to like Leal played two hundred and six snaps.

1408
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: Last year, Laudermilk played one eighty one, and there was

1409
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: just this feeling all louder Milk. He's he's far surpassed

1410
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: to Marvin Leal. There were some games where he was

1411
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: active and Leo wasn't. Uh, those two largely played off

1412
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: of each other last year.

1413
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: Depending on the opponent, you would know it's better than me.

1414
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: But it sounded like if there was a pass heavy team,

1415
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 3: Leal got to call. If it's a run heavy team,

1416
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: Loudermilk got to call.

1417
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: On game day.

1418
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 3: With all respect to louder Milk, I would hope Leo

1419
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: is never even a consideration for being as healthy scratch

1420
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: this year.

1421
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1422
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: I mean that to me would be the career path

1423
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 3: he should be on.

1424
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has you know, a former third round pick.

1425
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: You know that's what you hope happens with him. And

1426
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: again I've seen that flashes of that throughout this training

1427
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: camp where you just see him out there making plays

1428
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: and you're like, okay, now and I see something that I.

1429
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: Wonder what he weighs right now? I mean he fluctuated

1430
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 3: a lot at A and M. You guys have mentioned

1431
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 3: he played a little bit of stand up outside linebacker.

1432
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I bet he's not two ninety five no,

1433
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: you know, And that's which makes him a little different

1434
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 3: than the Hayward ok and Joby Benton's in terms of

1435
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: just sign in physicality, but it's also a different curveball. Yeah,

1436
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 3: stunts and loops and things like that too, or you know,

1437
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 3: yeah he's in.

1438
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: The coverage once in a while, or even you know,

1439
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 2: running downfield twenty yards downfield to make a play that

1440
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 2: was on the other side of him, and things like

1441
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: I've seen that from him this year. Yeah, he's an athlete. Yeah,

1442
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: he was a highly recruited kid. So you know, me

1443
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: one interested to see what he looks like out there.

1444
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 3: I would lump louder milk. I just have higher hopes

1445
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 3: and higher ceiling.

1446
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: For Yeah, I mean a lot of milk. Was a

1447
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: fifth ter on draft pick. Who's you know, four years

1448
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 2: into this now we kind of know what he is.

1449
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 3: I think he's its career across road time too.

1450
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas I think with Leal, this this is this

1451
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: is a big year for me. Like, I don't he's

1452
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 2: not in danger being cut. I don't believe.

1453
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 4: So I had to I had to check this, and

1454
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 4: I think that part of the narrative that you're talking

1455
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 4: about Dale is that the staffs seemed to diminish for

1456
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 4: Leal as the season went on, and whether those were

1457
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 4: matchups or not. He was inactive the last three games,

1458
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 4: four out of the last five, and so you're left

1459
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 4: with that sort of last right, not only the last

1460
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: and depression. But did that mean that his arrow was

1461
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 4: pointed downward or was it just the opponents they were playing?

1462
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 4: So I think that's why there's right. I think I

1463
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 4: think that's why there's more questions maybe around Leal than

1464
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 4: there are around Loudermilk.

1465
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: I hear it. Another spot is again, I think Pickens

1466
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 3: is going to run five routes or something, probably get

1467
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 3: out of there. Maybe Jefferson's even in the same mold.

1468
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 3: But receivers not named Pickens or Jefferson, can one of

1469
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 3: them make two big plays? You know, like yeah, you

1470
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 3: know Watkins, I mean gets behind the defense of WHOA.

1471
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 3: But you know it, maybe Fitzpatrick's one you mentioned, Yeah, yeah,

1472
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 3: you know, maybe our fan base that's listening hasn't watched

1473
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 3: practice after practice like, oh, maybe we got get out

1474
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 3: there more, you know, splash play by one of those dudes,

1475
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: you know it's capable. So certainly the second.

1476
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 4: Half I've liked Scotty Miller. I think he's looked good.

1477
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 3: He seems to getting some buzz too.

1478
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1479
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a guy slot only that you know, you're

1480
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 2: kind of limited with that at least, you know, Calvin

1481
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 2: Austin's a little guy, but he can and put him

1482
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: on the outside because he does have that that Trump card,

1483
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: that speed card there. Scotty Miller is strictly a slot,

1484
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: which makes it difficulty. You've narrowed your path to make

1485
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: the team. Yeah, especially if you're not a return guy.

1486
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: What can what tell me all the things you can

1487
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 3: do for me? He says his mane in the checklist. Yeah, yeah,

1488
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd like to see one of

1489
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 3: those receivers where he stand up. I mean, everyone's so

1490
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 3: focused on Ayuk or getting or not getting Ayuk or

1491
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 3: having or go get another receiver or Pickens is gonna

1492
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 3: be a star, and boy Jefferson's exciting. But that other

1493
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 3: group they're fighting for stuff.

1494
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think what's interesting too is that you know

1495
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 4: Ques Watkins, for example, Yeah, he has a fifty catch season,

1496
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, He's.

1497
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 3: Got past this a lot. A lot of these guys have, right.

1498
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 4: They've got some guys that have that have caught a bunch.

1499
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 4: That's why I was surprised when Mark Wes Callaway was

1500
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 4: released when he was is that you know, like you said,

1501
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 4: the back of his football card has a bunch of

1502
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 4: receptions on that. Well, so there, you know, there are

1503
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 4: some guys that, uh, that are interesting. You're right there,

1504
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 4: there are definitely some positions of intrigue.

1505
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 3: I mean, can they convince you to keep six or

1506
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 3: you know, could Fitzpatrick be a gunner enough that you

1507
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 3: know you keep an extra one?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, are we getting a little too and

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01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 4: and your guys, you know, your fans or you see

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 4: guys digging into the digging into the mud, pulling it out,

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 4: pulling out all the good stuff. We haven't even mentioned

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01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 4: justin fields yet, right, is any kind of the guy

1513
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 4: that everybody wants?

1514
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Speaker 2: Everybody?

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01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 4: So are we not seeing the forest through the tree?

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 2: We're going beyond the We're going I mean we could

1517
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: just say, well, I want to see what the offense

1518
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: looks like in the in the in the stadium for

1519
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: the first time. How much you know, how much fullback

1520
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: do they line up with how much motions or things

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01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: of that nature.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, But don't you think Fields is really interesting?

1523
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 3: But if Fields is playing behind a good O line

1524
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 3: late in the second quarter against two's, he should tear

1525
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 3: that he should rip him up. I mean, not like,

1526
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: he should look good and he should complete some passes

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 3: and run for some ard. But what's he gonna do

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01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 3: in the first quarter?

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Speaker 4: I'm interested in that too, Don't give me wrong, right,

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01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 4: I mean, he goes six for six, uh, throws, throws

1531
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 4: a touchdown, runs for a touchdown, That's that's all. Anyone's

1532
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 4: gonna be tall, that's all.

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 3: You're right, Because he's gonna be pretty in the preseason

1534
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 3: at least a few times.

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01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 4: Well, that makes him interesting to watch.

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01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 3: No doubt.

1537
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: Conversely, if he goes out there and throws two interceptions,

1538
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna be like, ah, right.

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,879
Speaker 3: You do get the feelings Steeler nations clamoring for Fields

1540
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: more than Wilson because they haven't gotten any reports on

1541
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: Wilson and they haven't seen him, and they haven't been

1542
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 3: here and et cetera, et cetera. But I think we

1543
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: know the pecking order. But I expect Field to look

1544
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 3: really good in these three games.

1545
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 4: You know, I think it's the off season. You know,

1546
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 4: when you knew you're gonna get a new offensive coordinator,

1547
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 4: you're gonna go out and hire him. And I think

1548
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's fun to sort of think about, well,

1549
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 4: let's get that hey, that that FCS offense out west.

1550
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 4: You know, they were scoring eighty seven points a game,

1551
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 4: and let's elevate that guy. And he's he's running something

1552
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 4: new and exciting and different. And then you wind up

1553
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 4: with Arthur Smith, who's you know, has a more traditional

1554
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 4: feel and wants to be physical, and you know, you're

1555
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 4: talking about the different quarterbacks you can go ahead and

1556
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 4: get all you know, and you wind up with a

1557
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 4: veteran guy who's you know, where is he at this

1558
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 4: point of his career and those sort of things. I

1559
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 4: have to say, I'm really really intrigued by both. I

1560
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 4: think Russell Wilson we talked about this little yesterday. I

1561
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 4: think he's looked that the word the word I would

1562
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 4: use if I had had to describe him in one word,

1563
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 4: it would be sharp. He's looked sharp to me, sharp

1564
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 4: in everything he's done, and I think every the ball's sharp.

1565
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 4: The way he commands things is sharp. He just looks

1566
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 4: sharp to me. And then you put that in with

1567
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 4: this offense where you're looking at, you know, four or

1568
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: five tight ends on this roster, and who's it going

1569
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 4: to be. There's a full back and we have two

1570
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 4: really strong running backs, and you're coming out trying to

1571
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 4: jam it down people's throats. I think it's fun. I

1572
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 4: can't wait to see pre snap movement and you know,

1573
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 4: you start out wide and now you're tightly bunched and

1574
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 4: here comes Nodgy and he's running behind a full back

1575
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 4: and bang. I think it's exciting.

1576
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 2: I expect to see a lot of running in these

1577
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: games by the Steelers.

1578
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 3: Do you think Warren and Harris kind of get the

1579
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 3: pickings move where they're not out there much.

1580
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: They're not gonna be out there much, but I may

1581
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 2: back starts. I still expect them to try to run

1582
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: the football to establish that mentality.

1583
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 3: I do too, And I think you'll see a lot

1584
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 3: of pre snap motion and the fullbacks and extra tight

1585
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 3: ends and working on blocking angles before the snap.

1586
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: Put that on tape too, you know for the Atlanta

1587
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 2: Falcons going, oh, Steeler are gonna try to shove it

1588
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: down our throats?

1589
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 3: Here, But it wouldn't shock me if one of the

1590
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 3: no offense to them. Maybe one of the backs really shines,

1591
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 3: but one of them might run for a lot of

1592
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: yards and not even be good.

1593
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah right, you know what I mean for sure. But

1594
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 4: I also think that again, you know, you have to

1595
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 4: look at this with both eyes, right, so you're looking

1596
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 4: at is a third running back going to emerge? Is

1597
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 4: it going to be Michael p Ryan? Is it going

1598
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 4: to be Jonathan Ward? Well, take a look at who's

1599
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 4: on special teams, and I think one of the return kicks, right, So,

1600
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 4: and I do think it's interesting about the kick return,

1601
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 4: and I think the teams are still figuring it out.

1602
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 4: But it's you know, the buzz early on was that

1603
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 4: it's a running play, right, It's more of a running

1604
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 4: play than say, you know, and and frankly, you see smaller,

1605
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 4: quicker guys more on punt return than kickoff return anyway, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1606
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 4: you see more of that anyway. So if we extrap

1607
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 4: laid out from what we've heard, and you know, you

1608
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 4: know what the buzz is about that position that feels

1609
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 4: like a running back position.

1610
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, Patterson's the great blend of both.

1611
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 4: Right, But we haven't seen him out here, right, you know,

1612
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 4: is he going to be ready for the season opener?

1613
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 4: Does somebody have an opportunity?

1614
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: He's been running like crazy?

1615
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, but I think again it's opportunity. It's opportunity,

1616
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 4: not just as a running back, but also and then

1617
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 4: not just returning kicks, but also are you covering kicks?

1618
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 4: You're doing different things. So you know, listen, how long

1619
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 4: did Benny Snell play for the Steelers.

1620
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 3: I think he's a great example. He didn't play a

1621
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 3: down of special teams when he got drafted. He was

1622
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: Kentucky's ball carrier. You know, he was the biggest fish

1623
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 3: in a small pond. He turned into a really good

1624
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 3: special teams player, right. I mean that happens all the

1625
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 3: time with those running backs. If you're a third running back,

1626
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 3: you gotta play teams.

1627
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: Hey, folks, The Yins Challenge yinch Chat Challenges are back

1628
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: this week. It's all about the first preseason game featuring

1629
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 2: a football autographed by first round draft Pictroy Fatanu. Answer

1630
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 2: trivia questions and predict this week and compete against Steelers

1631
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: Nation for a chance to win that autographed football. The

1632
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 2: questions that are going to be live for tomorrow. The

1633
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 2: first one is justin field's passing yards in this game

1634
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 2: over under one hundred and ninety nine and a half.

1635
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: That question will close at kickoff. I'm going under under

1636
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety one hundred ninety nine and a

1637
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: half yards to play. My goodness, that's say sixty minutes.

1638
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 2: You might not get there. Yeah, that's a big one.

1639
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: That's a big number. The second one and this this

1640
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: one will stay open through the end of the first half.

1641
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 2: Peyton Wilson tackles in the first half over under.

1642
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 3: Five and a half half five and a half. Yeah,

1643
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 3: that's feasible. I think he starts or kind of starts,

1644
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 3: you know, I.

1645
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: Think he plays a lot, a lot, right, Well, the

1646
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 2: Queen's not going.

1647
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 3: To start, so oh yeah, yeah, so him and Roberts

1648
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 3: will be your would assume.

1649
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna go over that number.

1650
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 3: Okay, well two, he probably plays the whole first half.

1651
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely a playing I mean, it's all about playing time

1652
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 2: in the preseason.

1653
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of sicos a bet on preseason.

1654
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 4: But I'm going right into number six and a half tackles.

1655
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,320
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1660
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1661
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Speaker 2: shop dot Steelers dot com. And guys, when we get

1664
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 2: back together on Sunday, Sunday, right, we'll have a game

1665
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: to talk about.

1666
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. Knows what all happen.

1667
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely you can hear all of us on on the

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01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 2: broadcast at some different different times throughout tomorrow on the

1669
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: Steelers Radio Network. Of course, Rob will be making his

1670
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 2: maiden voyage as the new play by play guy and

1671
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 2: we wish him luck in that should be a fun

1672
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 2: time for you. Rob and Matt and I have our

1673
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Speaker 2: regular hits on the regular pregame show. I'll be on

1674
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 2: with Tim Bens on the pre pregame show full four

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Speaker 2: hours before game time on WDVE.

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Speaker 3: As well postgame show and say hello.

1677
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Speaker 2: There you go call Matt on the postgame show and

1678
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 2: you can chat with him and Mike pursuit of there.

1679
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 2: But guys, that's going to do it for our show today.

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Speaker 3: So for my.

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Speaker 2: Partners Matt Williamson and Rob King, I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: We also want to thank Brian Lamartine and Justin Miller

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Speaker 2: for keeping us on the air in studio, and we

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