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Speaker 1: Is he a Marilyn Manned or a member of MS thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Today we will dive into the complex and often contentious

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Speaker 1: world of immigration policy and legal battles facing the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: In this episode, we sit down with wil Chamberlain, Senior

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Speaker 1: Counsel with the Article three Project to impact the case

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Speaker 1: of Kilmar Abrego Garcia for allegations of MS thirteen ties

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Speaker 1: United States.

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Speaker 2: We'll explore how this.

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Speaker 1: Case exposes deep flaws in our immigration system.

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Speaker 2: Join us as we discuss.

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Speaker 1: The lies, the lawyers, and the broader implications for justice

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Speaker 1: and national security. Stay tuned for wil Chamberlain. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: great to have you on the show. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: have someone on to talk about this case, and then

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Speaker 1: I saw your post and reached out. So I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you making the time and look forward to trying to

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Speaker 1: make this case a little less complicated for people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to be here with you, Lisa.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So the media is obviously in the left trying to

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Speaker 1: make this a situation where Abrigo Garcia.

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Speaker 2: He's just a Maryland man. You know, he's a father.

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Speaker 1: He's done nothing wrong, really trying to turn him into

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Speaker 1: a sympathetic figure. So you posted on x the story

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Speaker 1: of kill maar Abrigo Garcia is not about the wrongful

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Speaker 1: deportation of a Maryland father. It's about the abuse of

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Speaker 1: our immigration system by illegal migrants, the lawyers who helped

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Speaker 1: them lie, and the nonprofits who agitate to keep them

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Speaker 2: I guess walk us through. How did Garcia abuse or

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Speaker 3: Well, well, by his own admission, he crossed into the

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Speaker 3: And now in twenty twenty five, he's finally being removed,

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Speaker 1: You know. And we know that this credible fear narrative

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Speaker 3: Why are we treating his testimony to you know, avoid

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I was going to say, I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: So it's not exactly clear what evidence was that we

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Speaker 1: the Article three Project, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for breaking this down for us. It was

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Speaker 2: very helpful, all right.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: That was Will Chamberlain, Senior counsel at the Article three Project.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate him for making the time. Appreciate you guys at

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Speaker 1: home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 2: But you can listen throughout the week until next time.