1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kuric, and this is next question. 2 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Brookshields is an American icon. I don't know about you, 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: but I remember her face being on the box of 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Ivory Snow because she was such a pretty baby. She 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: later starred, of course, in Pretty Baby, and then froliced 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: in the Blue Lagoon. When I was in my twenties, 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: I learned that nothing came between her and her Calvin's. 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: I have been a fan of hers for a very 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: long time. I think she's so smart and funny and 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: miraculously survived enormous fame from a very early age. In fact, 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: there's a whole documentary about her life called Pretty Baby 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: Now on Hulu. When Brook invited me to be on 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: her podcast, now What, I thought, why not? Although I'm 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: a bit older than she is, we're both interested in 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: making sure we're living and loving life as more and 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: more candles appear on our birthday cakes. We ended up 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: having a great conversation, so I thought this might be 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: a really nice way to kick off twenty twenty four. 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: So I hope you all enjoy. 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: Well. 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for doing this. 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, of course, I'm thrilled to talk to 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: you because you know, I'm such a big fan, and 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: I think I'm glad that people are kind of, you know, 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: getting to know you and your personality because you're so funny. 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: And I don't think people I think, like when obviously 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: suddenly Susan and you've had other roles, but I don't 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: think everyone appreciates your sense of humor or the fact 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: that you have such a good sense of humor. 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that. I think, you know, I 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: think it's anyway, it's odd. I think it's because if 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: you've been sort of positioned a certain way for a 33 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: good portion of your life, that is just what people 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: imprint on and you know you can't I guess you 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: can't be labeled pretty and funny, although I mean Lucio 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: Ball was like a beauty queen when she started. 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't know why people have to put people in 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: boxes and don't appreciate that, As Walt Whitman said, we 39 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: contain multitudes, right, right. 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's easier for people because also 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: if you really, if you really take in all that 42 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: we're all capable of. 43 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: It's a lot of pressure for people. 44 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm really kind of I have to say 45 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: I was a bit intimidating, not a bit a lot 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: intimidated when I really heard, only because not as a friend, 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: because as a friend and like a girlfriend, I know 48 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: I can call you and we can be girls, and 49 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: we've talked about a multitude of private things together. But 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: it just, you know, you set the tone, and you're 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: the front runner for so many women. And the fact 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: that I got intimidated by the fact that I thought 53 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: you were going to be that I knew you were 54 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: going to be on the show, it struck me. I thought, 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: I wonder if she ever gets intimidated by interviews that 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: she has to give. Has there been anybody that's been 57 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: intimidating to you? 58 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: I think when I have to tackle topics that I 59 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: don't know a great deal about that I feel like 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: the learning curve is really steep. You know, if it's 61 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: somebody on a specific aspect of foreign policy that I 62 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: might not be uber knowledgeable about, or a medical thing 63 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: that I don't know a lot about. Sometimes I do 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: get intimidated, but I think at this point you just 65 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: let your natural curiosity take over. You have a conversation, 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: and I think the goal is to really make things 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: accessible and understandable to people. So I remember Tom Friedman 68 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: said to explain things simply, you have to understand them deeply. 69 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: So I try to strike that balance of understanding something 70 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: and then synthesizing it and distill. 71 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: That's a that's a tall order, but the research involved, 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: I think is daunting, and I'm sure you know, to 73 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: make it accessible for other people is really. 74 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 3: Is really the gift of being a journalist. 75 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: You wanted to be a journalist from the time you 76 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: were a little kid. I mean, you're the You're the 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: youngest of four, correct, you grew up in Virginia and 78 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: you said you wanted to be a journalist from a 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: young age. What how did you know that that's what 80 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 2: you wanted. What was it about journalism that intrigued you. 81 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: I think I wanted to do something that had to 82 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: do with language and writing, and I think it was 83 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: the process of elimination. Honestly, I wasn't very strong in 84 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: math and science. I hate to say that because that's 85 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: such a stereotypical thing, but I really gravitated towards words 86 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: and language and writing and more creative pursuit. So I 87 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: knew I wanted to do something that involved some form 88 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: of communication, whether it was writing or radio or talking. 89 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: And I think because my dad was a print journalist 90 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: early in his career, and he saw that I wrote well, 91 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: and I wrote quickly because I was such a procrastinator 92 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: as a kid, I'd wait till the last minute to 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: do my homework, but I was able to write things 94 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: under pressure. And I think he thought, wow, journalism might 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: be a really great career for you. I mean, he 96 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: didn't say that, but we sort of went in that direction. 97 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: And I got internships when I was in college, and 98 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: I worked at three different radio stations, and I wrote 99 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: for my school newspaper and at Uva, I wrote for 100 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: the Cavalier Daily. 101 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: So I really enjoyed it. 102 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: And you know, I think when you are lucky enough 103 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: to find a job you'd love, that is such a gift. 104 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time that you fell in 105 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: love with the idea of news, like the news moment 106 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: that made you just fall in love with that medium. 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't remember if there was one particular moment. I 108 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: just loved every aspect of jumping into a local news van, 109 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: not knowing what you were going to find when you 110 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: stopped to cover a story, having to jump out get 111 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: your bearings, figure out what was going on, find people 112 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: to talk to, start painting a picture of the story 113 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: in your mind, listening to the sound bites on your 114 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: little mini tape recorder on the way home, writing the script, 115 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: figuring out what you're maybe if you're going live from 116 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: the location, what your you know your live intro is 117 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: going to be, what your outro is going to be, 118 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: and doing it? Thank you much pressure. Oh yeah, it's 119 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: so fun. It's such an adrenaline rush and it's just excite. 120 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: And then you've got this thing that you've produced and 121 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: it's done and it's over and you can go home 122 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: and leave it behind. 123 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 4: It's awesome. 124 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: It's amazing. 125 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: And also just the thinking on your feet and that 126 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: being able to adapt. I mean, it's our version as 127 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: an actor of improv. You know, you just it's yes, 128 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: and you know, you never shut anything down. It's always 129 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: what's the next thing. But it's interesting though I don't 130 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: think you know, my daughter, I always things happen and 131 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: things don't happen for them, and I try to tell 132 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: them all the time that you know, rejection is just 133 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: part of growth, and especially in this medium. What you're 134 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: what you I mean there must have been so much rejection. 135 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: And part of what I wanted to do with this 136 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: show is to normalize rejection, you know, to show people 137 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: that you can recover from it, that it happens to 138 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: all of us, and it's how you're gone and how 139 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: you continue that really reveals who you are. 140 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: That's so true. That's so true. 141 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: And I mean from the get go, I had people 142 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: telling me, you know, oh, you're never going to make 143 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: it in the business. The president of CNN when I 144 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: did a really bad report, like I was too young 145 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: and really bad, and he called the assignment desk at 146 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: CNN in Washington said he never wanted to see me 147 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: on the air again. Talk about like deflating. And you know, 148 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: I had a really challenging time when I went to CBS, 149 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: both internally with the politics there and externally with people 150 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: I think wanting to tear me down and not picking 151 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: up what I was putting down in terms of trying 152 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: to retool an evening news broadcast. And it's hard, and 153 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: you're right, everybody deals with rejection or disappointment or hopes 154 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: at some point in their lives and it's no fun, 155 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: but it's just part of life. 156 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 3: How did you move on from it, though, what do 157 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: you do? 158 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: What was I mean? 159 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: I think I had different reactions that differed two different disappointments, 160 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: Like when the president of CNN said he never wanted 161 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: to see me on the air again. I was just 162 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: like devastated. But I also thought, maybe he's right. Maybe 163 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: I need more experience. Maybe I'm not ready, and I 164 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: just need to do it more. And that's when I 165 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: moved to Atlanta and became a producer and started doing 166 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: on air stuff little by little and found a mentor. 167 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: That's when I went to Miami and became a local 168 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: news and just churned out story after story. And you know, 169 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: I agree with Malcolm Gladwell, it takes about ten thousand 170 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: hours to get good at anything. And I just thought, 171 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I need more practice, I need 172 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: more experience. So I took it personally, and yet I 173 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: didn't take it personally, and I tried to figure out, well, 174 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: how could I change the circumstances I found myself in. 175 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: When we come back, Brooke and I debunked the morning 176 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: show stigma and discuss one of the central tenets of 177 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: journalism objectivity. That's right after this. If you want to 178 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: get smarter every morning with a breakdown of the news 179 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: and fascinating takes on health and wellness and pop culture. 180 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: Sign up for our daily newsletter, Wake Upcall by going 181 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: to Katiecouric dot com. 182 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: You were interviewed by people after you left CBS and 183 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: you said you didn't think that people really internally, ever 184 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: really accepted you. And you said, I thought we were 185 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: much further along when it came to sexism. What prompted 186 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: that observation. 187 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: Well, I think if you had sort of been in 188 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: my shoes during those five years. And I think a 189 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: lot has changed. I think that sexism is still one 190 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: of the most acceptable isms, less so than it used 191 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: to be. But I think that I got criticized for 192 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: what I wore my first night on the evening news. 193 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,239 Speaker 1: I got criticized for the way I held my hands, 194 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: these really dopey things that a mail anchor would just 195 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: never be subjected to. I mean, let's face it, it's 196 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: more interesting, I think, to look at women on television 197 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: because there's more variety. You know, men just look generally 198 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: a certain way, where a certain suit and a tie, 199 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: and I think that not everyone. And by the way, 200 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: I had a lot of friends within CBS, but a 201 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: lot of people I think sort of didn't like outsiders. 202 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: It's a pretty insular place. People go there and they 203 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of spend their entire careers there. So I had 204 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: the out status, I had the first woman's status. I 205 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: had the morning show albatross around my neck, that somehow 206 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: I lacked rabatas, which I always say is Latin for testicles, 207 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: and you know, and that and that somehow I wasn't 208 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: enough of a you know, a serious journalist to handle 209 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: the CBS evening news, which was just honestly boloney. So 210 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of and not just 211 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of biases that honestly 212 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: infected or affected the way people saw me in that role. 213 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,239 Speaker 3: What just explained to me what the morning show stigma? 214 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Oh well, I think that people, you know, even though 215 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: Tom Brokaw did the Today Show, for example, and even 216 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: John Chancellor did the Today Show, I think there is 217 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: a feeling that the morning shows are very fluffy and 218 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: that they don't deal with serious news, and they're not. 219 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: They're not done or anchored by serious people. I think 220 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: that's an unfair characterization because I did so many serious 221 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: interviews during my fifteen years at the Today Show, and 222 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: I did many dateline specials. I interviewed Supreme Court justices 223 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: and presidents and world leaders. But I think that it 224 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: just has this kind of unfair sort of impromoder as 225 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of a you know, a light fluffy show. 226 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: It's entertainment, not news. 227 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 228 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I was really really proud of working on 229 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: The Today Show and really proud of a lot of 230 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: the work we did in the stories and the serious 231 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: stories I covered, from Oklahoma City bombing to nine to eleven, 232 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: to presidential elections to all kinds of really important stories. 233 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you've covered so much, and I'm curious about. 234 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: How you cover some of the more divisive issues without 235 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: inserting your personal opinion. 236 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: I honestly try to understand what the person is saying, 237 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: and I try to learn from that and ask questions 238 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: that I think other people would ask. I do try to, 239 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, have a vulcan mind meld with people who 240 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: might be watching, and I try to be objective, but 241 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, I have at this point in my life, 242 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm sixty six years old. There are certain things that 243 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: I really believe in it, and it is hard to sometimes, 244 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: like interview somebody who is against abortion. You know, I'm 245 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: for reproductive rights. I am for stricter gun laws. Have 246 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: I think, at this point in my career, been able 247 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: to say there's some things that I really deeply believe in, 248 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: and so I think I do have biases when it 249 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: comes to those topics. But in other instances is I 250 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: just try to listen and challenge when necessary and in 251 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: a respectful way, you know, have a conversation with people. 252 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: But you know, as I think, there's no such thing 253 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: as true objectivity. You know, unless you're doing the very 254 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: strict to what when we're why, if you're trying to 255 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: put any context or any kind of explanation behind an event, 256 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: it's inevitable that your perspective is going to be influenced 257 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: by your point of view in some way. 258 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: And do you feel like you are now there's areas 259 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: of your personality that you can more freely and unapologetically 260 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: share now that you might not have in your early days. 261 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: And news, yeah, they were like, you know, there were 262 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: third rails, like you couldn't talk about gun violence. And 263 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: I did a whole documentary about why gun violence was 264 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: out of control in this country. You know, I couldn't 265 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: have done that anchoring the Today Show, I could not 266 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: have had a strong opinion. 267 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: With your media company. 268 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: Now you can, yeah, put out the messaging that you 269 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: believe in and you know, well, you know. 270 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: Brooke, I was able to shape the broadcast slightly differently 271 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: when I was at CBS. I could focus more on 272 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: women's stories. You know, we did something on dating violence, 273 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: we did something on you know, sexual assault in the military. 274 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: I did, you know, stories that I think a male 275 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: anchor would not have necessarily thought about. And so I 276 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: was able to make my mark in some ways when 277 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: it came to story selection. So I feel like I 278 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: wasn't totally you know, hamstrung by being in a more 279 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: traditional media environment. 280 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'm relieved and glad to hear that. I think 281 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: you're a very strong business woman in so far as 282 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 2: the way you handled this fascination with your personal life 283 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: in a way that made it not get stolen from you. 284 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: You know. I mean, I've felt that my whole life. 285 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: But I'm right, I'm not in new I'm not in news, 286 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: you know, but that that that piece is usually not 287 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: something that gets it's usually that that personality and then 288 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 2: the private life is the private life. But You've done 289 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: such a sort of beautiful job of taking trials and tribulations, 290 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: and you've been open about so much that you went 291 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: through personally in your life, but also making them teaching 292 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: moments and sharing them for other people's benefit. And I'm 293 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: curious as to how you were able to reconcile that. 294 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I think that morning television is 295 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: such a different animal. You develop, you know, these parasocial 296 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: relationships with the anchors. You do get to know them. 297 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 4: You know. 298 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: People would say to me, I feel like I know you, 299 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: and I said, I'd always say, in many ways, I 300 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: think you do. Because they'd see you in serious moments, 301 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: they'd see you having fun, they'd see you having casual 302 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: chit chat with your colleagues. And I think maybe there 303 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: was a lot of interest in my personal life because 304 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: I was very authentic to who I was on television 305 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: that who I was off camera was really There was 306 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: no difference really to how I mean. 307 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: There were some limitations of. 308 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: Things I would do on television that I wouldn't do 309 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: off camera, but I was very much the same person 310 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: with the same persona. And I think when people saw 311 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: me pregnant, they were with me when I had both 312 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: of my girls. They were with me when my husband 313 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: Jay got sick. 314 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: You know. 315 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: There I was a forty one year old widow with 316 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: two children, six and two, and I think people felt 317 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: terrible for me in the most loving way. I mean, obviously, 318 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: how can you say that about millions of people, But 319 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: I did feel this support coming to me from from 320 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: the Today Show viewers and the audience that you know 321 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: does welcome you and your home and their home like 322 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: your kind of family. And having seen that terrible thing 323 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: happen to Jay, and then to see me try to 324 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: be resilient and move forward, then I think people became 325 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: interested in my love life. Like you know, it made 326 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: for good tabloid fodder, and you know, it was just 327 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: part of being I think at the time where morning 328 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: shows had a real place in the culture, more so 329 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: than I think they do today because of the friendgmentation 330 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: of media, and I think people just were interested in 331 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: that how I was going to move forward. 332 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean sometimes it felt sometimes. 333 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: It felt invasive, but during the trauma of losing Jay, 334 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: it was so helpful. It was so comforting. I felt 335 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: so cared about by complete strangers who sent me mass 336 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: cards and sympathy notes and stories about loss that they 337 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: had experienced. It was actually really beautiful and I still 338 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: have many of those letters in big tupperware bins in 339 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: my basement. And you know, I at Jay's funeral, I 340 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: asked everyone who came to write letters to ellieen Carey 341 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: because I knew that they were not going to have 342 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: the privilege of really getting to know their father, and 343 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: so to be able to have those that people wrote 344 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: such beautiful, thoughtful notes and letters and multi page letters 345 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: to the girls. That is really love. That's compassion, that's empathy. 346 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: And I felt it so strongly, and you know, a loss, 347 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: it was a terrible loss, but it did help and 348 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: it was comforting to know that people were out there 349 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: holding me in their hearts. After this quick break, Brooke 350 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: and I reflect on the burden and privilege of having 351 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: a platform and how we both try to use ours 352 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: in a positive way. 353 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: You know, when I had very severe postpartum and wrote 354 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: and I wrote about it, I. 355 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 4: Stay right, you came on the Today Show. 356 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: I did. But to this day, people come with women 357 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 2: come up to me and tears in their eyes and 358 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 2: they and they cry and they say thank you, and 359 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: you know, and it's that there's something to be. 360 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 3: Said for shared loss or shared. 361 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 2: Experience, or that you know you're not alone, and that 362 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: you know to be willing to be open to that 363 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: I think is obviously a sign of who you are 364 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: as a person. 365 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 4: Well. 366 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: I think especially you know, when it comes to taboo 367 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: topics like postpartum depression that people are so terrified of 368 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: and so frightened by, and to break the stigma and 369 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: to let people share and know it's okay and that 370 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: there's help. I mean, you did a tremendous public service, 371 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: and I hope that I did the same with colon cancer. 372 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, nobody talked about colon cancer when CHA got 373 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: sick and died, and nobody really talked about the fact 374 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: that it's highly preventable if you get screened. And you know, 375 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: I think when you're a public figure, you have a platform, 376 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: and with that platform comes to responsibility and if you 377 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: can educate people and arm them with information that will 378 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: help them, that could even save their lives. I hate 379 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: to say it, but I think it's really selfish not share, 380 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 1: not to share your experience. 381 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: And I you know, I call this show now What 382 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 2: because it's really about those pivotal times in our lives 383 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: when something very massive happens and we we really are 384 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: are the rug is pulled out from underneath us, and 385 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: we are thinking, oh shit. 386 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: What do I you know? 387 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: Now? 388 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 3: What do I do? 389 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: And I imagine you've had many now what moments? Was 390 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: that one of your biggest? Now what moments? How did 391 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: you move forward from that? 392 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: I think when you have children, you really have no 393 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: option but to put one foot ahead of the other. 394 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, when something like that happens, you don't have 395 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: the luxury of staying in bed and pulling the covers 396 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: over your head. You have to be there for your kids. 397 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: You have a responsibility. You have to parent. And so 398 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: that's what I did. And I also, you know, I 399 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: was a single parent. I had to keep working. I 400 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 1: wanted to keep working. I loved my job. And I 401 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: think early on realize that we're all terminal and we 402 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: have a finite amount of time on this planet, and 403 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: that I don't think Jay would want to destroy two 404 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: lives because he got cancer. I think he would want 405 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: me to bring as much joy into our daughter's lives 406 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: as possible. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the earth belongs to 407 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: the li and that sounds selfish and cold in a way, 408 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: I guess, but I think it means, you know, we're 409 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: here and we have to make the most of our 410 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: time while we have it, because you never know, and 411 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: life is fragile and you have to go on. And 412 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to go on. I didn't want two or 413 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: four lives to be to be destroyed because Jay got cancer, 414 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: and god, it sucks. You know, it's so maddening when 415 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: someone young, especially gets cancer. They're so cheated out of 416 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: so much. And I'm still really angry about it, honestly, 417 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: it's just so unfair and infuriating. 418 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 2: And you started a very important organization, Stand Up to Cancer. Yeah, 419 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: you co founded fifteen years ago, right. 420 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: Right, and you raise with a bunch of women who 421 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: were just really angry, like I was, about the pace 422 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: of cancer research. When Jay got diagnosed with colorectal cancer 423 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: and it was metastatic, it was all over his liver. 424 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: The first line chemotherapy was something that had been around 425 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: since the nineteen fifties and this was nineteen ninety seven, 426 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: and it just infuriated me that they didn't have more options. 427 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: And it was very motivating not only for me to 428 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: get involved with callon Cancer Research, but I realized so 429 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: many cancers needed more, more support, more funding. You know, 430 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: one out of ten promising research proposals is approved or 431 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: funded by the NCI, and that means so many, so 432 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: many exciting possibilities are left on the cutting room floor. 433 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: And I just said, we have to support cancer research. 434 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's still so much progress has been made, 435 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: but it's still a devastating disease. So many people die 436 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: of cancer still. 437 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: I mean that you lost your sister yes years. 438 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: Later, she was fifty four and running for lieutenant governor 439 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: of Virginia, and that infuriates me too. I mean, anyone 440 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: listening to this who knows somebody who was taken way 441 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: too soon from this disease. It's just it's awful, and 442 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, one in one in two men 443 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: and one in three women will be diagnosed with this 444 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: in their lifetime. So that's why I'm so passionate about 445 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: funding research and science. You know, it's really become my 446 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: life's work. And I think when you're touched by something 447 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: personally brooke as you know, you become really invested in 448 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: doing something about it. 449 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's you've made a huge amount of a difference, 450 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: and I have hundreds of millions of dollars to research 451 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 2: and care. Has happened because of stand up to cancer. 452 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's so much around it. My 453 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: dad died of pros day cancer, which you don't have 454 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 2: to die from. 455 00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 4: Right. 456 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: So we have not mentioned your sweet husband, but you 457 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 2: have been with your husband John for You've been with 458 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: Mulner for a decade, right, more than a yeah. 459 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. We're having our ten year anniversary this June. And 460 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: he really likes your husband Chris too. I'm lucky. I 461 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: think we have funny husbands, yes, and kind of in 462 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: that dry, sarcastic, funny way. And I have to say Mulner, 463 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: who I call by his last name, I don't know 464 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: how I started that. 465 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 3: I call Henchy henchy, so you do. 466 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: He just is a very funny person, and he gets 467 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: frustrated with me because I'm a bit of a mess. 468 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 4: I'm kind of like pig pen. 469 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: I leave a little trail of junk wherever I go, 470 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: and he is a neat freak, so that sometimes creates 471 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: problems for us. But most of the time we get 472 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: along really really well, and he does make me laugh. 473 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: Is there something that you're I mean, I just love 474 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: you keep going forward and the energy you have too. 475 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: It's not even reinventing, it's just repurposing and re exploring 476 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: or I don't even know if re is the right word. 477 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: It's just you know you and you're such an inspiration 478 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: to I started a company for and we've talked about 479 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: it for women. Yeah, in this era of our lives, 480 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: you know, that is full of possibility, and there is 481 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 2: so much more and we have so much to offer, 482 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: and we're so versatile and we're beautifully complex and we 483 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: we've done so many things, and we've yes wise and 484 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: raised children. And is there something you're especially excited about 485 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: in this next chapter? 486 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly, you know, I just enjoy trying 487 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: my hardest and sometimes succeeding and putting good things out 488 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: in the world. Good things don't have to be happy things. 489 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: They can be you know, conversations about important topics, journalism 490 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: or whatever it is I do. Storytelling is a can 491 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: be and often I hope is a public service. 492 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: You know that. 493 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: It's even if I don't have a huge audience or 494 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: an interview, I do gets five thousand people. You know, 495 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: when I used to have five million people watching the 496 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: Today Show, I feel like if that's helped somebody understand something, 497 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: if it's helped them kind of take care of their health, 498 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: if it's made them aware of something they didn't know, Like, 499 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just I guess my love language 500 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: is telling stories and sharing information. 501 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 4: And I'm excited, you know. 502 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm excited that I'm starting a production company and I'm 503 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: going to get more involved in scripted and nonscripted projects, 504 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: which is great. You and I should talk and maybe 505 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: collaborate on something. 506 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: I would love that there's I'm starting to find fine 507 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: books and fine stories that I really do resonate and 508 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 2: that I want to see cinematically. 509 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: And I feel like I think female voices are getting 510 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: out there in a way that they haven't before. I 511 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: think over the last several years, women and their stories 512 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: and their voices and the people behind the scenes are 513 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: really making their mark. And I'm excited to have that 514 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: kind of storytelling be part of my portfolio as well. 515 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everyone. If you have a question for me, 516 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: a subject you want us to cover, or you want 517 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: to share your thoughts about how you navigate this crazy world, 518 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: reach out You can leave a short message at six 519 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: oh nine five point two five five five, or you 520 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: can send me a DM on Instagram. I would love 521 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Next Question is a production of 522 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: iHeartMedia and Katie Couric Media. The executive producers are Me, 523 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: Katie Kuric, and Courtney Ltz. 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