Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, December twenty fourth, Christmas Eve,
Speaker 1: and we assure you you have a better chance of
Speaker 1: seeing Santa Claus the night than ever seeing all the
Speaker 1: Epstein files. And with that, welcome to this episode of
Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Robes. What's the point we're hopping on
Speaker 1: here because we need to update I guess correct some
Speaker 1: reporting we had yesterday that we got from the DOJ
Speaker 1: that's now come back and said one of the biggest
Speaker 1: things in the Epstein files that everybody saw is fake.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The problem with that is that if there is ever
Speaker 2: anything negative or anything they don't like, or anything they
Speaker 2: don't want to be taken as truth, they'll just say
Speaker 2: it's fake. That has been the response to everything. And
Speaker 2: it gets to a point where, now, what's the point
Speaker 2: of releasing any file If any file that's damaging or
Speaker 2: negative towards the administration is just duped or deemed fake?
Speaker 1: What you're going with that you think that that's all
Speaker 1: this is, And you immediately were dismissive and thought that
Speaker 1: that's all this.
Speaker 2: Is as a human, as a journalist, Yes, And the
Speaker 2: reason being the past has also shown this exact same
Speaker 2: result when we had the Epstein birthday book, and Trump's clear,
Speaker 2: you know, imaging of breasts and his little poem or
Speaker 2: whatever to Jeffrey Epstein. That certainly insinuated something that we
Speaker 2: don't want to think about with Trump and his love
Speaker 2: of girls.
Speaker 3: He said it not my signature. So what are you
Speaker 3: supposed to do?
Speaker 2: Everything that is shown or revealed that has anything.
Speaker 3: To do with Trump not my signature.
Speaker 2: You even had Prince Andrew saying that photos a fake
Speaker 2: of me in Virginia.
Speaker 3: Do you pray if everyone just says that's fake? How
Speaker 3: are we supposed to actually consider any of this.
Speaker 1: Evidence when you say it that way? This is a
Speaker 1: clear it's a pattern we have seen. This isn't a
Speaker 1: one off, right, Okay, So when you do that, it's
Speaker 1: hard you do and it's of their own doing that.
Speaker 1: Maybe we take things they say with a grain of salt,
Speaker 1: but this robes. Here we are and we're hopping on.
Speaker 1: Yesterday another dump of Epstein files. I think it was
Speaker 1: the third major dump, but it's kind of a trickle
Speaker 1: that's come out. All of it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: out last Friday based on law, but it wasn't. So
Speaker 1: they're continuing to read act and put stuff out. One
Speaker 1: of the things we got yesterday Robes was a letter
Speaker 1: the text of a letter purportedly sent from Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: in the days surrounding his death to Larry Nasser. Of
Speaker 1: all people, Larry Nasser is in jail in where is
Speaker 1: he being kept in Arizona's he moved?
Speaker 3: I believe I don't know where he's moved to.
Speaker 2: Obviously, many of these crimes happened in Arizona he's from.
Speaker 2: He has obviously committed plenty of crimes in the Michigan
Speaker 2: State University campuses.
Speaker 1: A reminder, but people know who he is by now.
Speaker 3: He is probably well.
Speaker 2: I would say he is one of the most notorious pedophiles.
Speaker 2: Convicted of two hundred plus girls of sexually abusing young girls,
Speaker 2: but more than three hundred and thirty girls have come
Speaker 2: forward over a two decade period saying he sexually assaulted me.
Speaker 2: He was not only a physician at the university, sorry,
Speaker 2: at the Michigan State University, dealing with gymnasts, but also
Speaker 2: was with the Olympian teams, the girls who were all
Speaker 2: training to become our.
Speaker 3: Olympians.
Speaker 2: He was in charge of their healthcare and was just
Speaker 2: sexually abusing most off, not all of them.
Speaker 1: So big deal, big scandal, big time criminal, spending the
Speaker 1: rest of his life in prison. So in this batch
Speaker 1: of Epstein files that were released, we were all like,
Speaker 1: what in God's name why is Epstein writing to Larry Nasser?
Speaker 1: And then the text of what he wrote again, this
Speaker 1: is a postcard, we see, this is just some here's
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be Epstein's handwriting. So this letter
Speaker 1: comes out, the text of the letter from Epstein to NASA.
Speaker 2: You have it in front of him, yes, okay, it
Speaker 2: reads as you will know by now, I have taken
Speaker 2: the short root home. That's him referencing his suicide. That
Speaker 2: would happen, I guess within days.
Speaker 3: Good luck.
Speaker 2: We shared one day our love and caring for young
Speaker 2: ladies and the hope they reached their full potential. Our
Speaker 2: president also shares our love of young Newbile girls. When
Speaker 2: a young beauty walked by, he loved to grab snatch,
Speaker 2: whereas we ended up snatching grub in the mess halls
Speaker 2: of the system. Life is unfair, yours, Jay Epstein.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's explosive if true. And it's in these files
Speaker 1: that we've been waiting to see, so they're coming out now, Wow,
Speaker 1: we're seeing this for the first time. That's huge, is
Speaker 1: how we took it. And a lot of people took
Speaker 1: it at the time.
Speaker 2: Yes, And look, I'm sure plenty of people who are
Speaker 2: into this and have been following the story have read
Speaker 2: a lot of Jeffrey Epstein's letters, and he did write
Speaker 2: a lot. Look, obviously have no way of knowing now
Speaker 2: because the FBI will get to what they said and
Speaker 2: what their statement was. But this does have the same
Speaker 2: tone and the same like poetic the way he wrote.
Speaker 3: That's why it seemed legit to me.
Speaker 2: Initially, I didn't even question it because everything I've seen
Speaker 2: that sounds like how Jeffrey Epstein talks or writes. When
Speaker 2: you look at how he has written other folks, he
Speaker 2: is poetic like that and speaks like that.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, so this letter gets out, it is buzzing.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of things. Look, you got journalists
Speaker 1: all over this country, organizations pouring over thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of these documents, and as they were pouring over them,
Speaker 1: certain things start to come out. And it's interesting to
Speaker 1: see what news organization thinks what is important or of note.
Speaker 1: All of them thought this was of note. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was the headline everywhere. So as that news starts going out,
Speaker 1: which appears to be a suicide note from Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: Epstein referencing the president liking young girls. So the DALJ
Speaker 1: first tweet yesterday to kind of explain things said, the
Speaker 1: DLJ is currently looking into the validity of this alleged
Speaker 1: letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry NASA. We will follow
Speaker 1: up as soon as possible in the meantime. Three facts
Speaker 1: stand out. The postmark on the envelope is Virginia, not
Speaker 1: New York, where Epstein was jailed. The return address listed
Speaker 1: the wrong jail where Epstein was held and did not
Speaker 1: include his inmate number, which is required for outgoing mail.
Speaker 1: And the envelope was processed three days after Epstein's death.
Speaker 1: That's the first tweet they sent out, kind of setting
Speaker 1: us up to say, hold on, we're looking into this.
Speaker 1: Isn't question number one rodes. Why did it come out?
Speaker 1: If they were looking over documents, somebody was supposed to
Speaker 1: have been going through stuff to make sure if anything
Speaker 1: needs to be redacted. Why is a fake letter in there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is puzzling to me.
Speaker 1: Oversight.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, what a huge oversight. They've had a lot
Speaker 2: of time. I would think anytime they see anything with Trump,
Speaker 2: it would be flagged and then they would look at
Speaker 2: it and say yeah, no or redact this. So I
Speaker 2: don't know how the process works. I just know that
Speaker 2: the level of trust, unfortunately, that most Americans have right now,
Speaker 2: and certainly a lot of journalists with the information coming
Speaker 2: out of the administration.
Speaker 3: It's tough to know.
Speaker 2: Because if you're told one thing and then another thing
Speaker 2: happens and they say, never mind, I'm so confused as
Speaker 2: to what I should believe and what I should not.
Speaker 2: It's really it numbs you to the whole thing, and
Speaker 2: you just don't believe anything.
Speaker 1: So they follow up after that first one saying that
Speaker 1: they were looking into it. You have a follow up
Speaker 1: one in front of the eye as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, it says yes a follow up tweet. The FBI
Speaker 2: has confirmed this alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry
Speaker 2: Nasser is fake. The letter was received by the jail
Speaker 2: and flagged for the FBI at the time. The FBI
Speaker 2: made this conclusion based on the following facts. So at
Speaker 2: the time, how did it then get into the files
Speaker 2: all right. The writing does not appear to match Jeffrey Epstein's.
Speaker 2: The letter was postmarked three days after Epstein's death out
Speaker 2: of Northern Virginia, when he was jailed in New York.
Speaker 2: The return address did not list the jail where Epstein
Speaker 2: was held and did not include his inmate number, which
Speaker 2: is required for outgoing mail. This fake letter serves as
Speaker 2: a reminder that just because a document is released by
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice does not make the allegations or
Speaker 2: claims within the document factual. Nevertheless, the DOJ will continue
Speaker 2: to release all material required by law. Are they required
Speaker 2: to release documents that have been deemed fake?
Speaker 3: That doesn't seem possible.
Speaker 1: But they're supposed to release all they have. This is
Speaker 1: still in a pile of files somewhere. Okay.
Speaker 2: But if you're an if you're any sort of an
Speaker 2: agency where you're you're collecting evidence you collect, if something
Speaker 2: is ruled a fake or a fake document, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: keep it in your files.
Speaker 3: You would remove it, you would trash it.
Speaker 1: It was received by the jail and flagged for the
Speaker 1: FBI at the time, So that means this letter is
Speaker 1: He died in twenty nineteen, nineteen. So we're talking six
Speaker 1: years ago, a jail received a letter and they flagged
Speaker 1: that letter to the FBI at the time that determined
Speaker 1: it was fake six years ago. Is that statement? Am
Speaker 1: I reading that saying?
Speaker 2: That is what they are saying. That is what they're saying.
Speaker 1: So fresh off of Jeffrey Epstein's death, someone somewhere had
Speaker 1: the thought to write a fake letter and send it
Speaker 1: three days after he died. Is what I'm now supposed
Speaker 1: to believe. Yes, please tell me if I'm missing that is.
Speaker 3: What they are claiming.
Speaker 2: That is what But the problem is, Look, I would
Speaker 2: say before, Look, we've always as journalists had to be
Speaker 2: skeptical of every organization, the FBI, the government, whatever. You
Speaker 2: can't just take what someone tells you and says sure.
Speaker 2: But I've never felt like at a point now where
Speaker 2: as a journalist, the FBI comes out and says something,
Speaker 2: we have done the investigation, we can tell you this
Speaker 2: is fact, and me still question it is. It's sad
Speaker 2: to me as an American and as a journalist, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't trust what I'm hearing because I know
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing, and I know what I'm reading, and
Speaker 2: I know their tactics with how they're releasing the information,
Speaker 2: when they're releasing the information, how much they're releasing. Look,
Speaker 2: they had an entire file that was released with pretty
Speaker 2: much complete and total reactions talking about co conspirators that
Speaker 2: they were investigating.
Speaker 3: Okay, ah ah, this is what we've been looking for.
Speaker 2: Right, forget even trying to look at Trump or look
Speaker 2: at anyone whose name we already know may be associated.
Speaker 2: People want to hear these new names, these other powerful
Speaker 2: businessmen who were co conspirators, who who participated in some
Speaker 2: of these file acts with underage girls. We actually have
Speaker 2: a document showing names of people who they were investigating,
Speaker 2: and they're all blacked out.
Speaker 1: There are reasons for that. I don't know. These folks
Speaker 1: been accused of any crime. I don't know, but rodes
Speaker 1: this was the transparency moment. It's called the Epstein Files
Speaker 1: Transparency Act. This is what everybody is upset that hasn't
Speaker 1: gotten justice for these victims. This was the stuff that
Speaker 1: is going to change the game. And we finally get transparency.
Speaker 1: And the DOJ is telling us don't believe anything in
Speaker 1: these files, so that that is the standard they're giving us.
Speaker 1: Don't believe any of it. So what am I supposed
Speaker 1: What do you want to do with this letter? What
Speaker 1: are we supposed to how are we supposed to take it?
Speaker 1: This is just another thing where two sides fight about
Speaker 1: what they're seeing. I think it's this, you think it's that,
Speaker 1: and nothing is resolved. There is not a fact in
Speaker 1: this case. This makes the case worse in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you have that premise, now that the
Speaker 2: FBI and the dj are asking you to view all
Speaker 2: of these documents through, if you're supposed to look through
Speaker 2: that lens, that some of this or all of us
Speaker 2: could just be fake, well then I can't believe. Then
Speaker 2: why release anything? Because anything you release, you'll just say
Speaker 2: is fake. So what am I supposed to do with
Speaker 2: any of the information you're releasing? Believe any of it
Speaker 2: there are no facts or just some of it or
Speaker 2: what you tell me to believe. It's frustrating, it's beyond frustrating.
Speaker 1: Well, folks, they are so you think we could possibly
Speaker 1: possibly one day soon, Look, maybe Robes, this was just
Speaker 1: a step. This is just a part of the process,
Speaker 1: a step along the way to get closer to real transparency.
Speaker 1: Is that fair to hold on to that hope maybe
Speaker 1: here on this Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I've lost hope about that. I hope for
Speaker 2: a lot of other things on this Christmas Eve, but
Speaker 2: not in the Department of Justice.
Speaker 1: We'll stay here. We'll tell you what Chuck Schumer is
Speaker 1: hoping for. We'll tell you what a couple of members
Speaker 1: of the House of Representatives, a Democrat and a Republican,
Speaker 1: are hoping for on this Christmas Eve as well. And
Speaker 1: it might involve seeing one Pam Bondy in jail. All right, folks,
Speaker 1: will continue on this Christmas Eve. Wow, we had to
Speaker 1: hop on and give the update. We had to correct
Speaker 1: some reporting that we had here yesterday, right, Robes. All
Speaker 1: of the reporting comes from the same source, but they're
Speaker 1: telling us now that the story is different. The DOJ
Speaker 1: gave us a document that said that this was a
Speaker 1: letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nasser. DJ came back
Speaker 1: later Robes and told us, Hey, that letter we put
Speaker 1: out earlier, it's fake. Don't believe it. Move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that just undermines the whole process, the
Speaker 2: entire file release, because now anything that is untoward or
Speaker 2: anything they don't like, that's all they have to.
Speaker 1: Say, so what do we do now? How long did
Speaker 1: that fight go on? I mean, the President and Marjorie
Speaker 1: Taylor Green fell out over this whole issue of the
Speaker 1: Epstein files. Right, We've been fighting over this all year
Speaker 1: to get this release. We finally get the release. They
Speaker 1: didn't come out on time, like the law require, things
Speaker 1: are heavily redacted, and so you got plenty of folks
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill that are pissed. And is it inherent
Speaker 1: what was it called inherent contempt? It's a specific Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what the two lawmakers bipartisan group wants to
Speaker 1: hold Pam Bondy an inherent contempt, which robes I think
Speaker 1: you looked into it more than I did. It's essentially
Speaker 1: saying go arrest her.
Speaker 2: Yes, it would call for I think the sergeant at
Speaker 2: arms to arrest Attorney General Pambondi and put her behind
Speaker 2: bars until all of the files are released. And it
Speaker 2: was noted that this inherent contempt has never been used
Speaker 2: in modern times, So I don't know where they went
Speaker 2: into the to dig up this potential thing they could
Speaker 2: throw at her and say, yeah, we're going to threaten
Speaker 2: you with prison time until you actually follow through and
Speaker 2: produce what the law requires.
Speaker 1: And clearly that threat is working totally. Okay. The other
Speaker 1: option here, which is the one that's just just why
Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer is now introducing a resolution in which would
Speaker 1: compel the Senate to what some take some legal action
Speaker 1: against the dj for not releasing these items.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly what you just said there.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, what's the point. So that was the one
Speaker 1: robes that we thought it was ridiculed that you have
Speaker 1: to make legislation to enforce the legislation you already passed.
Speaker 1: He wants to.
Speaker 2: Pass another law to enforce another law, which if we
Speaker 2: start doing that, oh my god, what's the point of
Speaker 2: passing the law in the first place. Why don't you
Speaker 2: go ahead and then give a punishment if the law
Speaker 2: that you're passing isn't enforced and just put it all
Speaker 2: in one bill, because that's where we are. And even
Speaker 2: when you threaten that or say they even got a
Speaker 2: law passed that created some sort of punishment that was
Speaker 2: going to happen if you didn't follow through with the
Speaker 2: initial law, then you'd have to get another law to
Speaker 2: enforce the enforcement.
Speaker 3: I I'm just saying, like, where does it end? This
Speaker 3: is all buffoonery.
Speaker 2: It's a circus, it's silly, and this is why people
Speaker 2: get frustrated with their government.
Speaker 3: This is why people.
Speaker 2: Don't vote, because they think, what does it matter anyway,
Speaker 2: because this is where we end up. But this is
Speaker 2: a colossal mess and has eroded trust that was hanging
Speaker 2: on by a thread anyway when it comes to it. Really,
Speaker 2: it's true though, between I think the American public and
Speaker 2: the people who represent us, what is the trust level
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: I know I'm laughing because I think that I might
Speaker 1: use that as our quote of the day in the
Speaker 1: morning Run from Amy Robock. It erodes trust that was
Speaker 1: only hanging on by a thread anyway. With that, folks,
Speaker 1: we just wanted to hop on give you that update
Speaker 1: because we were told by the people who gave us
Speaker 1: information yesterday that the information we passed along to you
Speaker 1: from them is now wrong. So I just wanted to
Speaker 1: give you that update more. Yes, I hope you are
Speaker 1: getting your Christmas Eve off to a good start. And yes, folks,
Speaker 1: we mean it. You do have a better chance to
Speaker 1: seeing Saint Nick than ever seeing an unredacted full Epstein
Speaker 1: file release. That's I feel pretty.
Speaker 2: Good about that, yes, And With that, everyone, Merry Christmas,
Speaker 2: all right, folks.
Speaker 1: Oh my dear Amy, I have TJ Holme. Then we
Speaker 1: will be talking y'all soon. Each space the two tents