1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number three Clay Travis 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. We are rolling along on this Monday. 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Encourage you 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: to go subscribe to the podcast. Make sure you don't 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: miss a moment. You can search out my name, Clay 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: Travis or Buck Sexton. We have talked about a ton 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: of topics, as we always do, but I think you 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: guys are really going to enjoy our only guest here 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: for Monday's edition of the program. She is Riley Gaines, 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: a senior swimmer at the University of Kentucky. She tied 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: with Leah Thomas, biological man who has decided to identify 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: as a woman in the two hundred yard freestyle NC 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: Double A Swimming Championships. And this is there's so many 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: interesting topics to discuss, but first of all, Riley, I 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: want to say thank you for coming on and actually 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: being willing to discuss this because so many people who 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: are women's swimmers have been afraid to say what they 19 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: really believe about this issue. So I want to start 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: with this, what in your experience was it like to 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: swim against a biological man who was identifying as a woman. 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: And what did your fellow competitors think about that experience? 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: You are a senior, theoretically this was the end of 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: your college swimming career. What was it like to be 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: down in Atlanta in the last couple of weeks competing there? Right, 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for having me. I've been 27 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: super excited to talk about it, but you know, kind 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: of leading up to the meet, I wasn't really too 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: sure what to expect, you know, getting there, you know, 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: racing and stuff, what kind of environment it would be, 31 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: how people would feel about it, because, like you said, 32 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: so many girls hadn't really mentioned how they felt or 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, their true feelings going into the meet, and 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: so I was just so curious. And then, you know, 35 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: getting there and racing, I got to talk to other 36 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: competitors and stuff and see how they felt, and I 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: definitely realized who the silent majority and this whole issue is. 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: And so it is a bit disheartening, you know, watching it. 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: The day before I competed, I watched Leah so I'm 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: the five hundred freestyle, which is event I was not in, 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: and it was really just heartbreaking, you know, seeing the 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: girls get ninth and seventeenth place, but then the next 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: day going into it my race, it just felt defeating 44 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: before you even raced, really, which is not a feeling 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm used to. So, Hey, Riley, it's it's buck. I'm wondering, 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: as you're saying this about about the silent majority on 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: this issue, do you come across any of your peers 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: female swimmers who really think that this situation is fair? 49 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: Or is it almost entirely the recognition that there are 50 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, adults out there, media outlets, NC, double A bureaucrat, etc. 51 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: Who may come down on them for speaking out. So 52 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: so essentially is the is the silence of many on 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: this issue just a function of their fear of the 54 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: consequences for speaking out as you are right now, Or 55 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: are you come across female swimmers who honestly believe that 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Leah Thomas does not have a biological advantage and that 57 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: this is fine. Um. I haven't personally talked to anyone 58 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: who does not think she has a biological advantage, because 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: I think there's no denying that. Um. There are swimmers 60 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: who are more supportive of it, but there's definitely the 61 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: vast majority, you know, don't think it's it's fair to 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: a woman who you know, have been in terms of 63 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, the past century, you know, historically oppressed. Um 64 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: where a lot of people will use the argument that 65 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: transgenders are oppressed. Well, you know, so I have woman been, 66 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: and so I would say that a lot of people 67 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: do kind of have this sphere of speaking out, especially 68 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: in today's culture where it's just so easy to get 69 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, canceled, as they say, which is something that 70 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: can affect your future career, all kinds of things, and 71 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: so people don't want to get you know, dragged down 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: with that. We're talking to Riley Gaines, University of Kentucky 73 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: senior swimmer who competed against Leah Thomas, transgender swimmer at 74 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: the NCAA Championships. Riley, what is the process like? And 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: I believe I saw you comment on this in a 76 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: Daily Wire article. Do you guys share dressing rooms? Do 77 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: you share locker rooms with a biological male who identifies 78 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: as a woman in advance of the competitions or after 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: the competitions? And if so, how awkward is that given 80 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: the history obviously of women's competitors having women's locker rooms 81 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: and men's competitors having men's locker rooms. Right, So the 82 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: meat this last week was all female meat, and so 83 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: there wasn't even a male locker room opportunity because there's 84 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: just are no you know, males on deck, and so 85 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: going into the meat, we were all curious what the 86 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: situation would be, and so we were just told that 87 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: we could all use that locker room, which is you know, 88 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: not a norm sharing locker rooms like that, and so 89 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: it was a bit shocking that you know, that was allowed. 90 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: That's a whole different issue within itself. And so I 91 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: would say we were all extremely surprised and you know, 92 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: uncomfortable with that because there are girls who that's not 93 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: something they would agree to doing to, you know, to 94 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: consent to, and so it just seems like so so 95 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: sorry to cut you off here, but I just wanted 96 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: to build on this a little bit. So you have 97 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: a biological man who is allowed to come into the 98 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: locker room that you guys are in preparing to compete, 99 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: getting ready to swim, and he is using the same 100 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: locker room as you guys are, And if so, what 101 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: is the real action in the locker room, Because Historically, 102 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: if a man walks into a women's locker room, I 103 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: mean that's a crime in many jurisdictions. For virtually everyone 104 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: out there listening, this is just normalized as, Oh, he's 105 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: going to be able to use the locker room because 106 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: he identifies as a woman, and you're not allowed to 107 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: say or do anything to disagree with that, right. I 108 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: think the instabile a, you know, did make it seem 109 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: like it was something that oh, just we'll just saw 110 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: share locker rooms. But you know, there's so many girls who, 111 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, even face sexual assault, and this kind of 112 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: thing can be traumatic on just so many different doubts, 113 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: and so going into that locker room the first day 114 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of seeing ly in there, it 115 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: was just silent. Really, I think it just took all 116 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: of us by just complete an utter shock. Really. We're 117 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: speaking of Riley Gaines. She was a senior at the 118 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: University Kentucky Shoe a swimmer who tied with Leah Thomas 119 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: at the nuble A Swimming Championship in the two hundred 120 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: yard freestyle back on the eighteenth of March. Riley, do 121 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: you feel like the conversation is changing now? I mean, essentially, 122 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: after this Leah Thomas situation. Is it now you think 123 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: trending toward this will become the norm when there's a 124 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: transgender swimmer or is the pushback growing to the point 125 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: where there will be a different approach? And as somebody 126 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: who has swam for many years competed at the highest 127 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: level of the ncuble A in your sport, what do 128 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: you think would be a fair policy here? What do 129 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: you think should happen right? I think since the article 130 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: I released with The Daily Wire came out, more females 131 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: have been willing to speak up, but there's just still 132 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: so many who you know, don't want to face that backlash, 133 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: and so I'm not sure what the future looks like. 134 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: But I do know the nstable A president Mark Emmert, 135 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: I believe his name is released statement today saying they 136 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: pretty much unequivocably and firmly stand with you know what, 137 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: the rules have been in place, and so I believe 138 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: every every athlete deserves to compete if they want, no 139 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: matter what you know category you may fall in. I mean, 140 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: I believe everyone should be treated with respect and dignity. 141 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: But there's a reason why Olympians don't compete with paralympians, 142 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: and there's a reason why, you know, you don't have 143 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: collegiate athletes on a twelve and underteam. And so there's 144 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: just these divisions that and these boundaries that have to 145 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: be made for things to you know, remain fair. And 146 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: it's not a political argument. It's not any hate towards 147 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: one person or one group, but it's just a matter 148 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: of fairness. And just have any administrators or staff personnel, 149 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: anybody tried to coerce your opinions on this, you try 150 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: to say, hey, watch out, or you shouldn't do this, 151 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: or has anyone threatened consequences for you at the university 152 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: For I'm just wondering where the pressure might be coming from. 153 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: Uh No, my university, UM specifically, you know, has offered 154 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: me a ton of support and they want to protect 155 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: me and want to make sure you know that I 156 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm doing and I don't put myself in 157 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: some sort of pickle. But they've been extremely supportive and 158 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm super duper thankful for that. UM. But I know 159 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: there have been some girls from universities, even some parents 160 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: have reached out to me saying that coaches and athletic 161 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: directors and UM, you know sids have told their summers 162 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: that they're not allowed to say anything, no matter how 163 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: they feel, and so it just really kind of puts 164 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: this you know, barricade up for so many athletes who 165 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: have a voice and want to use it but are 166 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: scared of, you know, repercussions, whether that may be within 167 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: your institution or um, you know, like I said earlier, 168 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: your future career endeavors. And so I do believe there's, 169 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, kind of this big wall up Riley. I'm 170 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: assuming you still swimming at a super young age before 171 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: you obviously went to the University of Kentucky. You're a 172 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: senior now do you think then, First of all, again, 173 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: congrats to you for having the bravery to speak out, 174 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: But do you think about what women's sports could look 175 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: like in the future, And thank you for coming on 176 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: the show when we're talking about one transgender athlete right now, 177 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: but in theory there will be more in the years ahead. 178 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: We had and speaking to your point about women not 179 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: wanting to speak out, several of the UPEN women's team 180 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: members reached out to the site that I run OutKick 181 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: and they said, we're not allowed to put our actual 182 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: names on it because they've told us when you're not 183 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: allowed to speak basically on this issue, But several of 184 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,239 Speaker 1: those girls said, if we had three or four transgender 185 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: people on a swim team, it destroys women's sports in 186 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: many ways. Are you concerned about the future of women's 187 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: athletics in general as more biological men decide to identify 188 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: as women and where could that lead if it continues 189 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: to grow? Yeah, for sure. I think this, you know, 190 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: opens a whole can of worms seeing a biological male 191 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: win a national title against olympians, really, and so I 192 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: think it just opens a whole another door to a 193 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: whole different realm. And it is it does put women's 194 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: athletics and women's sports and total danger, really, and I 195 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: think if the NCABLEA doesn't recognize that, I think there 196 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: will be a big consequence for women. Riley Gaines, Riley, 197 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: thank you so much for speaking on this issue, your 198 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: bravery on it. We appreciate people telling the truth about 199 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: what's actually going on who are experiencing it themselves. Thank 200 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: you so much. Yeah, thank you guys. That is Riley Gaines, 201 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: University of Kentucky Senior swimmer Buck. That is super bravery. 202 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: If you consider how many people have the exact same 203 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: opinion from her, we'll open up phone lines. You guys 204 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: can react to that as well. But the number of 205 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: women who think exactly what she does in the world 206 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: of sports that have been afraid to say what they 207 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: really think. I don't think you can underrate the bravery 208 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: that she is showing by speaking out under her own 209 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: name and saying exactly what Frankly, I think the vast 210 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: majority of Americans believe. As it pertains to this issue, 211 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: rapid inflation is rising interest rates. 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Go to American Financing dot net, MLS 228 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: one eight two, three three four mls, Consumer access dot 229 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: org one more time phones in hand eight hundred seven 230 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: seven seven eighty one. Oh no, welcome back to Clay 231 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: and Buck. They don't care if you're truly a public person. 232 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: They don't care if you are supposed to be able 233 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: to operate with some degree of privacy. The left, the lives, 234 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: the Democrat apparatus. They want to crush those who send 235 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: their way. They want to settle scores, they want to 236 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: humiliate people. And that brings me to this January sixth 237 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: panel that will seek an interview with Jenny Thomas. Now, 238 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: this is a gentle way of saying they're going to 239 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: call her to testify before the January sixth House Committee, 240 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: and beyond that, I'm sure if she decides not to 241 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: show up, they will have a debate about subpoenaing Jinny Thomas, 242 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. And there's 243 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: a lot to discuss every one of them is look 244 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: at look at how the left, look at how the 245 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: Libs do this. They have a majority in Congress, and 246 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: they are just dragging this thing as far as they can, 247 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: weaponizing their subpoena power for just humiliation purposes, as if 248 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Jenny Thomas what she was now the leader of the 249 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: insurrection or something, Give me a break. And the way 250 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: that they have been putting private citizens text messages. I mean, 251 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: they're acting like they're doing a criminal investigation, but they're not. 252 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: It's a house investigation. But they have similar powers and 253 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: they're abusing it for political purposes. But one thing that 254 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: is that should be very I think is very noteworthy 255 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: Clay in all this is they keep talking about Jinny Thomas, 256 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: and they do this with many people urging the overturning 257 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: of the election, which is in and of itself the 258 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,479 Speaker 1: same way that using the term insurrection is an admission 259 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: that one should not make because it was not an insurrection, 260 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: was not a violent attempt to actually overthrow and the 261 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: United States government and sustain something in its place, even 262 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: if there were some very sad foolish people who were 263 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: saying stupid things, as there were on that day. But 264 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: beyond that, the notion that she was pushing to overturn 265 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: the election. Jenny Thomas was of the belief that the 266 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: election was being stolen. This is what the people that 267 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: she's talking about legal strategies to use to show the theft. 268 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: In her mind and in many other people's minds that 269 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: time of the election, she was trying to stop the theft. 270 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: But notice that's never entered in the conversation they make 271 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: the way they frame the issue. To overturn the results 272 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: of the election is her goal. No, she believed that 273 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: the election results were invalid as a function of law. 274 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: Now people can argue that, they can say that's whatever 275 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: they want, But that's a different thing than I don't 276 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: like this result. Let's throw it out. It's they cheated. 277 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: Let's show how they cheated. But they completely misrepresent this. 278 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Whenever they talk about anybody who even had ideas, he 279 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: didn't do anything. She wasn't in you know, the capitol, 280 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: parading around. Also, the only reason she's a story at 281 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: all is because of her husband. Yep, and so this 282 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: is not actually intended to be an attack on Jenny 283 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: Thomas because they don't really care about what Jenny Thomas's 284 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: opinions are as it pertains to the twenty twenty election. 285 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: This is a direct attack on Clarence Thomas, using his 286 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: wife as the method by which to its back him. 287 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: I read in the Sunday New York Times Buck Maureen 288 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: Dowd's editorial column demanded that Clarence Thomas either stepped down 289 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: or be removed from office office being defined as a 290 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Supreme Court justiceship from his job because of his wife's 291 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: text to in regards to the election. That's madness, Buck, 292 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: to decide that you are going to force someone out 293 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: of office because of what their wife's opinions, which, by 294 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: the way, it's not like these were even illegal opinions. 295 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: There are there was and remains a very strong argument, 296 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: particularly in the immediate aftermath of the election, to examine 297 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: what took place in the election and whether Joe Biden 298 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: was the legitimately elected president of the United States. 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Welcome back 318 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: to and Buck Show. You know, there was a controversy 319 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: of sorts swirling around media and entertainment before even we 320 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: got to the Oscars. It's one that actually has to 321 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: do with the law and is I think very much 322 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: heightened by the desire of the left to find whatever 323 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: method of attack possible for the governor of Florida, Rhonda Santis. 324 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: And I'm currently in North Florida, and I could tell 325 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: you a lot of people who are very proud of 326 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: their governor and what he has done over the course 327 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: of the pandemic in particular, but also Scoreboard don't lie, 328 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: as they say, and the hundreds of thousands of people 329 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: who have moved to Florida from Democrat enclaves like my 330 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: own home state and city of New York. There's a 331 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: reason for that. We're all aware of this, and it's 332 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: has to do with quality of life, taxation regulation, COVID policies, 333 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: just general governance. Not being ruled by lunatics. That's a 334 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: good start. Not being ruled by people who live in 335 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: a alternative universe. And we will talk about Biden's request 336 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: in his budget for one a billionaire's tax. We'll probably 337 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: get into that tomorrow. But also a lot of funding 338 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: for police. Oh oh, wait a second, you mean the 339 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: people that were telling you that undermining the cops and 340 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: cutting the police budgets on the right were right the 341 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: whole time. And these psycho libs running around acting like 342 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: cops are all racist and bad and killing on armed 343 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: black men and there's no consequence and it's awful, and 344 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: they do it all the time. The people that were 345 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: running around in hysterics and then justifying not only, of 346 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: course a lot of large gatherings during the COVID early 347 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: days of the COVID vandemic, but also the riots that 348 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: came along with it, the destruction of property and the 349 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: general lawlessness. They were all wrong. We'll get into more 350 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: of that tomorrow, but right now they're still the ongoing 351 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: fight that the left is. They're doubling down on this 352 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: one Clay over the parent. We have to use the 353 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: proper name of the bill. Please. This is the left 354 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: one thing, Clay one thing. And this is a little 355 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: bit of digression. You and I both know this. They 356 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: are better at control of language. They force us to 357 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: use the terms they like. Perfect example of this is 358 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: undocumented now, which I even hear because I hear people 359 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: who are pretty pro border security and rule of law. 360 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, we've got to there's too many undocumenteds coming 361 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: in every I'm like, wait, wait a second. The federal 362 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: the federal criminal term is a legal alien, right. Yeah, 363 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: And this is even even with the pronoun battle, we 364 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: see this, it's ben Then once you've said someone's a 365 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: heat when they're a she, or is she when they're 366 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: a heat? Everything else is kind of yeah, there's just details. 367 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: It gets complicated on the he she thing because we 368 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: get that all the time. I try to say the 369 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: pen transgender swimmer, just a transgender swimmer, somebody who's not 370 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: the biology that they are reflecting. But it is complicated, right, 371 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: And they do a great job of continuing to hammer 372 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: home until you start to accept whatever language that they 373 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: want to use. And I would say this, you know 374 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: because and this is this is fair and we'll tell 375 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: you the truth here. If you know I I know 376 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 1: a couple of trans people in real life. Would I 377 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: refuse to their face to use there? This is where 378 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: it gets difficult. What I would I want to give 379 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: them offense by using a pronoun in front of them 380 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: that I you know that. Then now we get to 381 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: the everyone deserves courtesy and decency comment right, But in 382 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: news commentary, when it's about the facts and it's about 383 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: what is true, should you use the preferred pronoun of 384 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: somebody who claims they're a different pronoun from their actual biology? 385 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: So I will say there is there are some layers 386 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: of complexity there. And the same thing also with you know, 387 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: to say someone's an illegal alien is not it's not 388 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: supposed to be. It should not be thought of as 389 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: a pejorative on that person as a as a person. 390 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: It's just their legal status in the country right now, 391 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: right It doesn't mean but you know, so you know, 392 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways we could have discussions about 393 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: use of language, but the left controls language, and the 394 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: case of the Don't Say Gay bill, that is just 395 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: a fabrication essentially of the left to attack what is 396 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: a parental rights and education bill in Florida. So every 397 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: time we say don't say, we're playing into the political 398 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: narrative here, which is that that's what the bill does, 399 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: when it clearly does not. Disney and this is what 400 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: we wanted to get to. Disney is even more strongly 401 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: taking a stand on this than it had before going 402 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: into the Oscars. There were stories about how there was 403 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: quote chaos here according and this is and there was 404 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: some discussion and we talked about it with some of 405 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: the mcs of the event bringing it up. And so 406 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: this was on the minds of a lot of people 407 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: in the media. Florida's HB fifteen fifty seven, according to 408 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: Disney's official Twitter account, also known as the Don't Say 409 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: Gay Bill? Can I just know, Clay, why not say 410 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: the parental rights in education? That's the name of the bill? 411 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: They give the HB fifteen fifty seven, and then don't 412 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: actually give the name of the bill. Isn't that so interesting? 413 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: But they give the don't Say Gay Bill, which is 414 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: what the activists said should never have been passed and 415 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: should never have been signed into law. Our goal as 416 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: a company as for this law to be repealed by 417 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: the legislature or struck down of the courts. We remain 418 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: committed to supporting the national and state of organizations working 419 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: to achieve that. We are dedicated to standing up for 420 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: the rights and safety of LGBTQ plus members of the 421 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: Disney family, as well as the lg the the community 422 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: in Florida across the country. UM. I have friends in 423 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: the l in the community who think that this is 424 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: a This is appalling that they're making this, making this claim, 425 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: the pretend notion that you know, adults from the LGBTQ 426 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: community are outraged at the notion of not teaching gender 427 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: identity to kindergarteners. This is a win, and I think 428 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: what it reflects is the desperation in the wake of 429 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: Glenn Junkin's victory in Virginia and in the wake of parents, 430 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: to their credit, all over the country getting involved in 431 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: what their kids are being taught in public schools. And 432 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: if you look at the actual polling data, buck the 433 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of people out there parents support kids not 434 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: being taught about sexuality in kindergarten, first grade, second grade, 435 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: and third grade. And it's totally a ridiculous, desperate attempt 436 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: to try and come up with a fat with a 437 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: reason that they can try and put on to Ron 438 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: de Santis to beat him this November because did you 439 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: see there was a there was a column in the 440 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: New York Times over the weekend that De Santis is 441 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: a scarier version of Donald Trump. Because that's the argument 442 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: Charles Blow, I believe, in the New York Times over 443 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: the weekend said, and I, you know, kind of have 444 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: to laugh as I'm reading through it because I know 445 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: what the arguments are going to be. But the argument 446 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: was Trump was at times undisciplined in the way that 447 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: he applied what he believes in whereas De Santis and 448 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: other Southern governors, red state governors that they're attacking are 449 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: more effective. That's the argument of The New York Times 450 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: that they are more effective versions of Donald Trump in 451 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: terms of implementing policy. Now, that is the attack that 452 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: they are going to try and tar and feather Trump, 453 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: I believe is going to run in twenty twenty four, 454 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: but for years into the future, regardless of what happens 455 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: with Trump, every Republican is going to get attacked as 456 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: the next version of Donald Trump, a scarier It'll always 457 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: be worse than Trump, Clay and whoever the candidate really 458 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: may be. And I think this is because they've all 459 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: they also recognize they got the mainstream of the Democrat 460 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say the mainstream nationally, but the you know, 461 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: the sort of center of the Democrat Party was fed 462 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: a steady media diet for for four years of Donald 463 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: Trump is a fascist, a Russian puppet. I mean, they 464 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: a rapist. I mean they said there was almost nothing 465 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: trader a white supremacy. There's almost nothing that they could 466 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: say that's truly defamatory that they didn't say. There's no 467 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: lie that was too low no, lie, that was too 468 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: destructive for them. So they're gonna have to find a 469 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: way to make it seem like the next GOP standard bearer. 470 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: And again I agree with that. I think Trump is 471 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: gonna run. But I mean even in the next you know, 472 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: because then I'll be let's say Trump wins, may run 473 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: against him, right, I mean, we don't know what the 474 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: actual competition is going to look like on either the 475 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: Democratic or the Republican side. But make no mistake, Buck, 476 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: this is I believe this is part and parcel of 477 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: an attempt to try to attack and tar and feather 478 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: Rhnda Santist. Of course, as he is rising up because 479 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: he's a young guy and he's gonna be in politics 480 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: for years. That's why this bill has gotten so much 481 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: attention and the reason why a state I mean, think 482 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: about this. All these people who live I mean the 483 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 1: Hollywood folks, they live in California overwhelmingly. I know, they 484 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: have a lot of houses in a lot of places, 485 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: but these it's a mostly La and New York City 486 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: audience out there at the Academy Awards, Yes, and they're 487 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: so concerned with a bill in the state of Florida, 488 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: and so much so that they kind of take a 489 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: swipe at all Floridians at the oscars. What there's Floridians 490 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: who are think wrongly going out and and protesting the 491 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: bill because they say it's so awful. So though the 492 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: whole thing is really unabsurdy, but it is about it 493 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: getting after Ron de Santis. And I think this is because, 494 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: as I was saying, they made everyone so fearful and 495 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: hateful toward Trump that if they don't say the next 496 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: person's worse than Trump, at some level, it may seem 497 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: like the GOP is taking a more moderate centrist path 498 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: and they can't allow that because power is all that 499 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: matters to these commies. So they'll come up with, oh, 500 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: this person's even worse than Trump, because God forbid, someone 501 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: thinks that the GOP just wants to elect somebody. Put 502 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: Trump aside for a second, would elect somebody who is 503 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: good at governance and not actually, you know, the worst 504 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: person since Stalin or whatever they were saying about Trump. 505 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: We need to talk to Buck. We talked some of 506 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: the last week about the Utah the transgender bill, because 507 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: we talked at the top of this hour. If you 508 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: guys missed it with ye Gaines who's a swimmer at 509 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: the University of Kentucky, one of the few women who's 510 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: been willing to speak out against biological men competing against 511 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: women as occurred with the pen transgender swimmer. 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Our thanks to Riley Gaines, 551 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: University of Kentucky swimmer. If you did not hear that 552 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: interview about what it is like to be competing against 553 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: a biological man in the NCAA Swimming Championships, propster Riley 554 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: Gaines for being one of the few swimmers to speak 555 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: out using her actual name senior on that team. I 556 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: think you guys will enjoy that discussion and that conversation 557 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: as well. We have covered so much ground. We talked 558 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: about Biden in Ukraine, miss Speaking, We talked about so 559 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: at the bucks e scooter vindication, China locking down Shanghai, 560 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: the Jenny Thomas mess and of course we have discussed 561 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: Will Smith and Chris Rock, the slap heard around the 562 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: world at the Oscars, and many of you want to 563 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: weigh in on a variety of these different topics. To 564 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: close out the Monday edition of the program, appreciate all 565 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: of you listening, and let's go first to Tim in Florida. Tim, 566 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: what you think about the situation with you want to 567 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: weigh in on the swimming issues what's you're taking Well, 568 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: Like I told the interviewer before that my granddaughter is 569 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: a swimmer. She's eleven years old and she's actually competing 570 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: in the age group ahead of her yea, and she 571 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: does very well, coming in third and in freestyle and stuff. 572 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: But some of the parents, including them my daughter, they're 573 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: talking that whether they want to contntinue to push this 574 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: if they're going to have to compete against transgender because 575 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: they're going to center to Junior Olympics and everything. But 576 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: is it worth it to them because it cost them 577 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: a lot of money to bring a child the swimming 578 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: is not cheap, There's no doubt. I think it's a 579 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: fantastic question. And by the way, congratulations to your granddaughter 580 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: competing at a higher level. She obviously is working very 581 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: hard and also having a great deal of success as 582 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: an eleven year old to be swimming against older girls. 583 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: Think the way to solve this book is what is happened, 584 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: I believe is what is happening all over the nation, 585 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: and what needs to happen is kids, particularly high school 586 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: kids where there are vast numbers of kids competing, need 587 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: to be competing against members of their own biology. This 588 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: is not crazy. And by the way, women who are 589 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: deciding to define themselves as men never win. They aren't 590 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: even able to make the teams by and large because 591 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: let's be honest, they mostly aren't good enough because men 592 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: are better athletes than women. They're bigger, stronger, faster. This 593 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: is not so sexism, This is biology. But this situation 594 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: needs to be taken care of, I think, by legislatures 595 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: and by governors all over the nation. For the left 596 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: wing activists, that will never be enough. And this is 597 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: what everyone needs to understand, because the true position of 598 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: the left on this issue is not really about whether 599 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: there are biological differences or not. The true position of 600 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 1: the left when it comes to Leah Thomas and any 601 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: of these other transgender competitor in sports issues is that 602 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: this is a woman, full stop, one female. This is 603 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: a woman, and there can be no distinction made about 604 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: this individual's womanness in sports or elsewhere. And I know 605 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: that people hear this and say, but that's crazy, and 606 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: to that I say exactly, But that is the ultimate 607 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: actual position, is that there can be no so Clay 608 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: to your point about it. People have said, oh, there 609 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: should be a category that is open to transgender individuals 610 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: that would include no. Their position is that Leah Thomas 611 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: is a woman, a woman, a woman, one hundred percent, 612 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: no difference. There's not even room to speak about the 613 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: biological difference and advantage because Leah Thomas is a woman. 614 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: It's as though through magic this transformation has occurred. That 615 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: is the actual intellectual position the left takes on this. 616 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: I mean, oh, you're right, Riley Gaines. Again, I would 617 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: encourage you to go listen on the podcast. At the 618 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: start of this hour, they had a biological man swimming 619 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: against them, also using the same locker room as them 620 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: with male genitalia. Think about how crazy this is. You 621 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: have that is a crime in virtually every jurisdiction all 622 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: over the country. If a man tries to go into 623 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: a women's locker room male genitalia, that is a crime. 624 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: You can and should be, in my opinion, arrested for this. 625 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: And yet the NC DOUBLEA is requiring these girls to 626 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,479 Speaker 1: share a locker room with a biological man. It's crazy. Claire, 627 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: we were just speaking about a lot today about the 628 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: position that people take on defending defending your spouse against 629 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, unkind or inappropriate or you know, even aggressive comments, 630 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, how many of the of the 631 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: husbands and the audience, if they had a wife to 632 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: whom a biological male exposed himself, would want to take 633 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: action right away. To your point about the elige gallants, 634 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: almost everyone in our audience, I bet yes. So, I mean, 635 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: this is not a this is not some minor. You're 636 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: talking about the issues even crazier daughters, right, you're talking 637 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: about some near I mean eighteen year old girls are 638 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: in the locker room changing so they can go compete, 639 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 1: and a dude walks into their locker room and changes 640 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: because he identifies as a woman. I mean madness. And 641 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: the Left doesn't just say it's normal, Clay. They say, 642 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: if you have a problem with it, you're a bad person. 643 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: To that, we say, stop being crazy. Libs Sleet Travis 644 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth. M H.