1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: today's best minds. We are off for the holidays, but 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: in advance we made you a fantastic show. Today, Dana 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: Blute of the podcast The Last Resort is going to 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: tell us about their fantastic podcast. The covers the California 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: secession movement and the national divorce concept. But first we 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: have the author of the new handbook for a post 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: row America, the West Alabama Women's Center's very own Robin Marty. 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics. Robin, Hello, thank you for having 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: me back. Thank you for coming back. We've interviewed you 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of times during the SPA when we saw 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: what was coming, then the year of horrible nous between 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: SPA and the leaked Dobbs decision, then that dog sitution, 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: then in Coming Down. It's been now a couple of months. 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: How has life changed in Alabama? That is such a 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: huge question. And honestly, I'm afraid to talk to you 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: because every time I talk to you, things get worse. 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: I promise I'm not a witch you. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: So we are still at West Alabama Women's Center, and 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: we are surprisingly still open. Originally we thought we had 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: about three months left in us to be able to 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 1: stay around, but we did a lot of fundraising and 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: so we are still here and we are going to 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: be here until at least June of next year, according 26 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: to my books. So I'm very excited about that, and 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: it's good because we're going to a pretty desperate state 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: out here right now. I mean state physically, in state emotionally. Obviously, 29 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: the need for abortion did not go away. But one 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: of the things that has been so very disheartening out 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: here is the fact that I think a lot of 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: us assumed that people were going to try to leave 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: the state. We assume that people were going to self 34 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: manage and that they would need us to be able 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: to help them. But the reality is we are seeing 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: patients who do not want to be pregnant, do not 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: want to have another child or a first child, but 38 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: they are just resigned to it. And they're resigned to 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: it because they see this as just another way that 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: the government has forced something on them that they didn't 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: want in a long series of these sort of government 42 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: actions against their body. They see this as another way 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: that they are being harmed in the same way of 44 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: not being given decent jobs or healthcare or schools drinking water. 45 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: This is just another way that the government says we 46 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: do not care about you, and you don't have any 47 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: choice in your future. And so that's what we're trying 48 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: to address right now. One of our primary goals right 49 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: now is that we do pregnancy confirmation, which is required 50 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: when a person is pregnant and uninsured in order to 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: get onto Medicaid, so that they can then be seen 52 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: for prenatal care appointments and doctors. We're doing that confirmation 53 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: because obviously people who are uninsured can't get a doctor 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: to confirm their pregnancy, which is what they need to 55 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: get Medicaid in order to get a doctor. So we're 56 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: seeing them, we're providing early prenatal care, and then we 57 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: are just trying to address every need that we can. 58 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: Today or yesterday, we had a patient who came in 59 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: who was eight months pregnant. She thought she had no 60 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: very insist so she did not realize that she was 61 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: that far along. She's advanced maternal age, all of these 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: other things, and so we saw her and we're getting 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: trying to get her referred to a hospital for a 64 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: doctor who can deliver, and it will be a high 65 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: risk pregnancy. But she's also eight months. I mean that's 66 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: like very far along. Yeah, and it had no prenatal care, 67 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: has nothing. And so this is what we see in Alabama. 68 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: People who don't have access to health in time to 69 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: know that something's wrong. People who don't understand even necessarily 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: how their bodies are supposed to work in order to 71 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: be able to recognize pregnancy. If there's a lack of 72 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: health care, there's a lack of education, and there's such 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: a lack of compassion. So you're saying to me, you're 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: seeing people who are just resigned to this is what 75 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: my life is now. Yes, very much so. I mean 76 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: it's not like they then get some check. I mean, 77 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: they can't afford to do this right, not at all. 78 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: And the thing that was so heartbreaking about this patient 79 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: is that she actually surprisingly ended up next door at 80 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: the crisis pregnancy center instead of us, because they're still there. 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: What are they even doing now if there's no abortion 82 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: in the state. They did nothing for her because I 83 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: talked to them a couple of times, and they had 84 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: asked what we were doing, and I mentioned that we 85 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: were doing prenatal care now and if they had people 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: who need assistance to be good help that we're doing 87 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: STI testing and treatment. If they have people who need assistance, 88 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: we can help. We're not doing abortion. And an eight 89 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: month pregnant woman walks in and they don't help her, 90 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: and they don't give her instructions how to get to 91 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: us who are right next door. They told her that 92 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: they didn't know where we were. So I mean Alabama. 93 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: I've only been here two years. But there is this 94 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: this aura of people who are in charge will do 95 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: anything in order to keep their power in place, and 96 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: they don't care who they hurt. They don't care what 97 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: happens to people that are not them, as long as 98 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 1: they are maintaining their power and their control over the state. 99 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Like the thing you were 100 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: telling me about that really haunted me, which I feel 101 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: like you're going to tell me worse things about now. 102 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: Are the women who are in the middle of having 103 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: a miscarriage who can't get treatment. Is that still going on? 104 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: And it is still going on? Um, we have been 105 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: able to see some of them, which is would we 106 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: know there are probably more? This is still. I mean, 107 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: we're still six months in, so this is still pretty new. 108 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: We are still seeing people who have come to the 109 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: hospital and who have been turned away from the hospital 110 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, oftentimes just to wait out and see 111 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: if anything changes, if they miscarry on their own, that 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: sort of thing. I'm very worried about next year in 113 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: all honesty, because our state are politicians that are in 114 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: charge are still zealous. We have now had six months 115 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: in which the Attorney General has been successful at convincing 116 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: everybody including us, that there is such a thing as 117 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: a conspiracy law that would make it illegal for us 118 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: to help people leave the state. And what I am 119 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: very worried about is the way that that is going 120 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: to get doubled down on next year, because we already know, 121 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: for instance, that a group has found a lawmaker that 122 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: is supposed to be proposing a bill that abortion will 123 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: be illegal and anyone will be punished for having an abortion, 124 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: so it will be the person who obtains the abortion 125 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: as well, and that, according to the bill includes if 126 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: they go out of state to have an abortion, that 127 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: they could be punished for it in Alabama. So that 128 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: allegedly is going to be introduced in the next session. 129 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: I've been seeing all of this pop up of Comstock 130 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: Act laws. So um Comstock Act was in the nineteen 131 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: hundred's early nineteen hundreds, the idea that it is illegal 132 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: to provide information about birth control or contraception or abortion, 133 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: or to provide that in the mail. This is what 134 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: the anti abortion activists are using in order to try 135 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: to get the FDA to withdraw their their approval of 136 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: medication abortion. Then we've seen it in different state and 137 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: city ordinances that are being introduced, like the one that 138 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: was in Pueblo, Colorado when they were trying to stop 139 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: a new clinic from opening there. So everything that is 140 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: is bad, everything that is the most extreme, the most 141 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: Christian theocratic part of what law could be like. I 142 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: expect all of these things to be tried out in Alabama, 143 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: and it terrifies me because in Alabama it will pass. 144 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: Is it still that if you're bleeding and you go 145 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: to the hospital, they won't treat you. Is it worse? 146 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: Is it a little better? I mean, well, it's difficult 147 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: to tell. I believe I know that the medical professionals 148 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: have met on this, and I believe that there is 149 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: some organizing and trying to find out what they are 150 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: in fact allowed to do. Our issue in Tuscaloosa is 151 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: the fact that we literally only have one hospital. So 152 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: in our city there is no option other than going 153 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: to Juid City Health. That is where you go, and 154 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: so that is if you are having bleeding and an issue, 155 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: you would go there or you would come to us. 156 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: And so now obviously we're in the situation where we 157 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: can do an ultrasound and seed leading. We can do 158 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: ultrasounds and see is the feat of developing, is the 159 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: embryo developing, does it have a heartbeat, is it in 160 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: the right place? All of those things. We can do 161 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: testing to make sure that the amount of pregnancy hormone 162 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: in the blood level is not increasing the way that 163 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: it's supposed to, and all of those things should say. 164 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: Because of the fact that we did them, we have 165 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: proven that this is not a viable pregnancy, this is 166 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: not an abortion, and we should be fine, but we 167 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: don't know if we are. And that's what's scary about it. 168 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: Because if you watch anti abortion UM literature, all of 169 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: their press releases lately, everything, they are being very very 170 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: specific about the idea that an abortion is an elective 171 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: procedure anything else is not an abortion. And so essentially 172 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: it comes down to your intent with your pregnancy. Did 173 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: you want to be pregnant, then you can have an abortion. 174 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: Did you not want to be pregnant, you cannot have 175 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: an abortion. You need to remain pregnant. So it's really 176 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: punitive and nonsensical, like the Republican Party right, exactly right. 177 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: And it's where you get the idea there is no 178 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: medically necessary abortion, because then they'll say that whatever happened 179 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: that was not actually an abortion, that was a removal 180 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: of a piece of tube that happened to have an 181 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: embryo in it, that was making labor, making labor happen 182 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: before the fetus was viable. That's what they will always 183 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: use as their acrobatics around it, when it's really just 184 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: it comes down to did you want to be pregnant, 185 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: then it's okay. Did you not want to be pregnant, 186 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: then it's bad. Is this increasing maternal fetal mortality? I mean, 187 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: I have to assume it's going to It's too soon 188 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: for us to be able to see the numbers. Yet 189 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: I can tell you that we are seeing patients who 190 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: come in who are more pregnant than would usually be 191 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: in having their first appointments, so we know that that 192 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: will eventually lead to to bad health outcomes because it 193 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: always does. But the other thing is it's not as 194 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: much we are going to have bad maternal mortality right away. 195 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: A lot of the impacts of the maternal mortality is 196 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: the idea of child space, sing and so letting your 197 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: body be able to recover from a pregnant before they're 198 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: pregnant again. So we might not see the impact in 199 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: the first year, but then as the second year comes 200 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: and they're pregnant again, and the third year comes and 201 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: they're pregnant again. Because again Alabama is doing nothing to 202 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: try to expand any sort of access to contraception. They're 203 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: just saying, Okay, you can't have an abortion. So this 204 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: is not something that is going to be a one cycle. 205 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: This is going to be they are going to become 206 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: pregnant over and over and over until they die. I mean, 207 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: is there education about birth control or now? And not 208 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: so much. Um, there really isn't much in the way 209 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: of sex said in our schools. In fact, it was 210 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: up until I think two years ago, it was actually 211 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: okay for what sex said does exist for in public 212 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: schools to say that being gay was high risk life 213 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: that would likely kill you, and that that actually took 214 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: I believe three sessions in the legislature before the bill 215 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: was passed that removed that from the sex sidon curriculum. 216 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't believe we're as bad as Mississippi, where you 217 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: can't actually show a condom being put on anything. I 218 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: think we are allowed to put a condom on a banana, 219 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: but I'm not positive. But the reality is the groups 220 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: that usually do this sort of sex aid outreach, we 221 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: don't really have much in the way of planned parent 222 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: put down here. We don't have reproductive health care centers 223 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: that are going to do that, and so inevitably it's 224 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: going to be these faith based groups that are tapped 225 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: that end up going into do set said and they 226 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: are totally unscientific. They are yeah, this is the do 227 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: you want to be that used piece of tape? Are 228 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: you that chewed piece of bubble gum? That's the kind 229 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: of stuff that they do. I don't even know what 230 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: that is, but I don't even want to now. Oh, 231 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: the bubble gum one is great. It's it's the idea 232 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: of Okay, so if you have sex with somebody, then 233 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: it's like being a chewed piece of bubble gum And 234 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: is anybody else gonna want to put you in your 235 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: in their mouth once you've already been in And it's 236 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: always about the women obviously, yeah right, no man, They're like, yeah, 237 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: you're ruining yourself anyway. But so yeah, it's it's it's 238 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: very shameful, and it's mostly about making making those who 239 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: who are female feel ashamed of their bodies. Wow, that 240 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: is really so fuck cost is the I like the 241 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: chocolate the chocolate bar one where they will actually take 242 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: a bar of chocolate and everybody passes it around and 243 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: then and they're supposed to hold it for like thirty seconds, 244 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: and then by the time it gets the last person, 245 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: it's all melted. And they're like, yep, that's what happens 246 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: when you have sex with too many people. You are 247 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: a melted, ugly bar melty chocolate. That's pretty stupid. What 248 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: can the casual listener to this podcast do? I think that, 249 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: in all honesty, the thing that I would love to 250 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: see the most is I wish that people would remember 251 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: that we still have eleven states down here, all in 252 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: the same region, all in the poorest area of the 253 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: United States that have not expanded medicaid, and I'm starting 254 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: to I mean, I think everybody's abandoned us over that idea. 255 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: Like it was one thing when there were more states 256 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: that hadn't done it, but now it's like we've moved 257 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: on from it. We understand that Obamacare is not its 258 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: best the best that it could be. And I know 259 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: that we all want universal single payer and I am 260 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: a for that, But the reality is that until we 261 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: can get to that, and until we can find something 262 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: that will happen nationally that our states can't opt out of, 263 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: we need to be pushing for medicaid in these states 264 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: down here in order to make sure that people have 265 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: access to preventative healthcare. Are Preventative healthcare is going to 266 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: get them through these pregnancies. Preventative healthcare is going to 267 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: help them prevent pregnancies if they if they don't want 268 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: to become pregnant. And I firmly believe that if we 269 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: could just find one state in this group that the 270 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: rest of them will crumble. It's just because these eleven 271 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: have held fast together for so long. If one of 272 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: them does it, then it would shame the rest and 273 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm looking at Atlanta, Georgia basically as being that place 274 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: that could really flip things if Georgia could expand medicaid. 275 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: I believe that Florida, Alabama, Mississippi. I believe that Texas 276 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: really has a chance. But we need people to remember 277 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: that that's still a fight that exists. It's not over 278 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: for us, and it is literally killing people every day. 279 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: So interesting. Thank you so much, Robin. I hope next 280 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: time we talk to you there will be some good news. 281 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: The right still relying on something or at least don't 282 00:15:54,160 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: make it worse sor right. Thank you so much. Dana 283 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: Blut is a producer for the podcast The Last Resort. 284 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics. Dana, thanks so much for having me. 285 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: You have a pretty wild idea here talk to me 286 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: about California secession. It's a really broad topic, but definitely 287 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: not a new one. The idea of California succeeding from 288 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: the United States has been around for quite a while, 289 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: but for this particular podcast, we focused on a group 290 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: that is an interesting one. You know. It was started 291 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: by two guys, and Louis Marinelli and Marcus Ruise Evans, 292 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: and they built a movement Um, that's been around for 293 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: I would say at least the past ten years, and 294 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: they believe that California would be better off becoming it's 295 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: an independent country, and that the United States would be 296 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: better off without California. They've built followers, but overall it's 297 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: been I would say it's been a tumultuous ride for 298 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: this group. Can you explain to me why they think 299 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: we'd be better off separating from the fifth largest economy 300 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: in the world the rest of America. They think that, 301 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, America would get laws, for example, past a 302 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: lot easier, that we are culturally, at our core, very 303 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: difference than the rest of the country, and that the 304 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: United States has different political values, and that sometimes it 305 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: is held back by liberal California. So why not have 306 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: the United States? So they're conservatives, know, the group in 307 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: California is liberal. Yeah, they assume that the rest of 308 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: the United States is more conservative than California and therefore 309 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: would be better off, you know, passing its conservative laws 310 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: or being the conservative country that they believe. Yeah, the 311 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: United States is, So that's why they think they'd be 312 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: the rest of the country would be. They're off, But frankly, 313 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: they just think more than anything, they think California would 314 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: be a lot better off, right, Well, that makes a 315 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: lot more sense. Tell us why California. I mean, I 316 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: think we would be screwed, But tell us why California 317 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: would be better off. Yeah, it kind of depends where 318 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: you sit on the political spectrum. But they believe that California, 319 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: as the fifth largest economy in the in the world, 320 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: as you know, America's bread basket, as a place that 321 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: has these utopian values at times, would be better off 322 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: being independent, would have a lot more global power, not 323 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: just you know, amongst its neighbors, but also in the world, 324 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: and so would be able to play a bigger role 325 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: in even global politics and arms deals and um, trying 326 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: to spread you know, better environmental laws, and would have 327 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of cards in its corner being 328 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: the fifth largest economy in the world and being America's 329 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: bread basket and where you know, some of the water 330 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: comes from, so, you know, on the surface, when I 331 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: first started out, like m this is an interesting idea, Yeah, 332 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: I guess you know, it does. On the surface it 333 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: can seem like a compelling, compelling argument for California, just 334 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: not for the rest of us. Yeah, not for the 335 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: rest of the country. The rest of us are completely screwed. 336 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: Tell me about the tumult. And also I want to know. 337 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is them or a different 338 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: part of the California's secession movement, but it does seem 339 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: to me that Russia was giving some money into one 340 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: of these organizations. Part of that the Russian division stuff 341 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: is they love secession movements. Yes, this is the group 342 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: that we had a podcast about. Yes, and that is 343 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: probably the biggest tumult of all. So this group, the leader, 344 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: as I said, Louis Marinelli, was one of the founders 345 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: and the president for a really long time. Louis is 346 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: a complicated character. He started out as a conservative while 347 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: advocating against same sex marriage and was you know, started 348 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: out as a staunch conservative and over the years, you know, 349 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: he says that he made the turn and became more 350 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: liberal and started this group because he wanted better immigration policies. 351 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: He was married to a Russian he and wanted to 352 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: be able to bring his wife over and live in 353 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: peace in California without having to go through all the 354 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: complicated immigration policies. So he, you know, made the switch. 355 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: But Louis is someone that has ties has long time 356 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: ties with Russia. He went there first to teach English 357 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: and so taught English there for a while, and then 358 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: it came back for a little bit, married a Russian 359 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: and then moved again and became you know, Moscow became 360 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: his base while he was president of Yes California. So 361 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: he says, you know that it was never he just 362 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: chose to live there because he likes it, doesn't you know, 363 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't say anything about his loyalty to California. The story 364 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: that you referenced comes from the fact that he struck 365 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: up a friendship with a guy named Alexander I. Knov 366 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: or Yonov, and Alexander Jonov started this group in Russia 367 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: called the anti globalization movement, and actually not just California secessionists, 368 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: but Texas secessionists and Hawaiian secessionists and other American secessionists 369 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: around them around the country. Uh participated in Alexander Jonov's 370 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: is summit that he had for anti globalization movements across 371 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: the world. So it's not just Californians that actually went 372 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: to Moscow to be at this summit, but also Texans 373 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: and otherwise. And but Louis Louis because he was based 374 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: in Moscow, became you know, I guess um friends or 375 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: at least friendly with him, and Alexander Yonov gave him 376 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: an office to to make the California Embassy based in Moscow, 377 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: and as the FBI indictments that came out a couple 378 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: of months ago, will say he did receive money from 379 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: Alexander Yonov, which neither one of them denies, but they 380 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: um they say it was five hundred dollars and that 381 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't used towards a protest. But of course, you 382 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: know TBD on that. I don't know that. I it's 383 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: hard to know what to believe. But we did ask 384 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: both of them about receiving funds from Alexander Yonov and 385 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: whether he had ties to the Russian governments as an 386 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: FBI and Diatmond says, Alexander Yonov does deny that he 387 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: has ties to the Russian intelligence. Again, I don't. I wouldn't. Um, Yeah, 388 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't have evidence either way, but yeah, exactly exactly 389 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: why would he lie? I mean wild he lie? Right, 390 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: So there's certainly is some sense that it's possible that 391 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: this California succession movement was birthed in Moscow. I didn't 392 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: know that it was birthed in Moscow, but it definitely 393 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: had ties to it, and I would say that it 394 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: received It's undoubted that it received support from from Moscow. 395 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: Do you get the sense that these people are more 396 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: than just chaos agents? You mean, like, yes, Californya, the 397 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: secession group, I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there 398 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 1: are some people who really believe it, but I mean, clearly, 399 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: Russia's interest in this has nothing to do with, you know, 400 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: with California. I mean, it has to do with creating chaos, right, Yeah, 401 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: I think Russian interests are kind of supporting, as you say, 402 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: chaos agents maybe, And although obviously that's not what they 403 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: would say, but I actually would say these two founders 404 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: did believe that, especially Marcus Ruiz Evans, the other you know, founder, 405 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: did strongly and still strongly, really believes in this wholeheartedly. 406 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: So I personally wouldn't just say that, you know, I 407 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to reduce them to just chaos agents, because 408 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: I do believe, especially Marcus, I do believe that he 409 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: is genuine in his wanting California to succeed, even if 410 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: a part of it might be also ego, you know, 411 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: male ego is quite strong and to to be the 412 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: president of something, and in one interview he said, well, 413 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, if California sees like you know, maybe we 414 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: could be president of California. You know, it's like a 415 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: ego is a very strong actor. Here it sounds insane. 416 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: This is a pretty fringy movement. Yes, it is fringy. 417 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: Although secession movements in America right, like in Texas, right, 418 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: things are fringe until they're not. As we have seen, 419 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: especially over the past five years, as we have unfortunately experienced, 420 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: there's a bloodless secession. Talk to us about that. They 421 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: believe in a non violence Yeah, well, the national divorce idea. 422 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: So basically this would be brexit, right, Yes, I guess 423 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: that's what they would hope except worse referendum. But they 424 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: think they would like for it to be bloodless. In 425 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: our podcast, we really go down the rabbit hole and 426 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: sink would this be bloodless? And I think we land 427 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: on the fact that that would be very difficult. As 428 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: one of like Barbara Walter wrote the book about Civil 429 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: War in America and has studied civil wars globally. As 430 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, the most violent wars are around secession globally, 431 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: so they've always been the most violent wars around land. 432 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: And so it would be very hard to believe that a, 433 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, California could secede without blood and yeah, and 434 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: then there's a whole host of other things, the fact 435 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: that Northern California is quite armed and very stands on 436 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: a very opposite political spectrum then these guys or Calxit, 437 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: So it would be hard to imagine that secession would 438 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: be bloodless. Um, what weird stuff did you learn during 439 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: this podcast? I learned a lot. The Russia stuff was 440 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: quite fascinating to me. I had heard and speaking to 441 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: Alexander Yonav which we did twice, that was quite strange. Yeah, 442 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: we spoke on a zoom call and he I don't know, 443 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: there's like weird wallpaper in the back, and you know, 444 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: there were those kind of weird moments. I spent some 445 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: time with the State of Jefferson group up in northern 446 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: California around reading and was really interesting to me and 447 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: interesting to them as well, because I think very few 448 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: people from Los Angeles where I live ever interact with them. 449 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a very violence movement, a heart 450 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: far right movements in northern California that's growing. Is that 451 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: like the New Idaho stuff? Yeah, yeah, similar to that. 452 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: They you know, they want to create, you know, a 453 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: state of Jefferson, which kind of incorporates some of the 454 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: Idaho counties that also you know a great you know, 455 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: stand along the same political lines. They also have militias, 456 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, spend some time with the militia. You know, 457 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: there's yeah, I mean, the the United States is changing 458 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: a lot. You know, I'm disheartened, I think after making 459 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: this podcast sadly with the state of the country. I 460 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: think the division is a lot more aggressive, angry, and 461 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: visceral than I had imagined. And lastly, I would say 462 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: the thing that I learned the most, it's not weird, 463 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: but quite amazing, was you know, the landback movement that STSCA, 464 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: the host is very much involved in, and you know, 465 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: it's an incredible movement of indigenous activists really trying to 466 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: get some of their learned back, or some of their 467 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: rights at least back. And California has one of the 468 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: most violent histories against indigenous populations and that was something 469 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: I didn't know before making us. Is there any chance 470 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: that they can get some of it back? They have 471 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: they have gotten some of their land back in northern California. 472 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: Other parts of the country, they're they're starting to get 473 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: some of their land back. So it is like a growing, 474 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: growing movement. But yeah, it's positive in a lot of 475 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: ways as well. Thank you so much. This is great. 476 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much for having me. 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