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Speaker 1: will will. Wow. That was strong episode because the episode,
Speaker 1: I mean, good God, it's on the one hand, so
Speaker 1: ugly and over the top awful, and then it like
Speaker 1: boo rings around to this really beautiful, tender sweet place
Speaker 1: and it's it's just kind of wild. It makes you
Speaker 1: kind of forget it. Well, let's just get into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Episode eight, The Search for Something More,
Speaker 1: aired originally on November eleventh, two thousand three, And oh,
Speaker 1: wasn't this a doozy hoping to have fun? Brooke and
Speaker 1: Payton attend a college party, but the situation gets bad
Speaker 1: when a guy named Gabe drugs Peyton and everything goes
Speaker 1: to hell in a handbasket. That wasn't part of the
Speaker 1: write up, but it was just how I felt about
Speaker 1: the episode. Yeah, sure, Okay, So we started talking about
Speaker 1: this the second the episode ended. Um, And so it
Speaker 1: was just in the midst of being like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what's sweet, tender, lovely things? But then we remember, oh
Speaker 1: there was it started heinous miss stuff at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the episode. Terrible. Yeah. I really wish we there
Speaker 1: had been more. I wish we had kind of been
Speaker 1: able to take a whole episode or at least, you know,
Speaker 1: to work out that storyline and all the implications of that,
Speaker 1: because it's just it felt a little glossed over. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have never been a soul did
Speaker 1: and you're writing an episode about assault, it is really
Speaker 1: easy to be like, hey man, nothing happened, You're fine,
Speaker 1: wake up the next day and put on your backpack
Speaker 1: and go to school. Um. The reality of that, we
Speaker 1: all know is blowny um. And so you know, if
Speaker 1: this show was made today, they would be definitely like
Speaker 1: reporting this because if he's going to roofy Peyton, he's
Speaker 1: going to roofy other people. Yeah, I mean he had
Speaker 1: a pack. Yeah, it wasn't the first last time. And
Speaker 1: then like the realization even if nothing happens, the realization
Speaker 1: that something could have gone really really bad? Is enough
Speaker 1: two really um really affect you in a very negative way.
Speaker 1: It makes you so distrustful. And so you know, even
Speaker 1: Peyton being affectionate with Lucas, I don't know that that's
Speaker 1: like a natural action, you know. For for me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: how about nobody touched me for like a good long time.
Speaker 1: There is something that's so deeply traumatic about the realization
Speaker 1: as a young woman that you move through the world
Speaker 1: and by more people than you thought, are looked at
Speaker 1: as prey rather than as a person. And we really
Speaker 1: did just gloss over that. The one thing that I
Speaker 1: do I think they did well essentially ignoring what happened.
Speaker 1: Like the one sort of peek in that I thought
Speaker 1: was really interesting was in the time that you know,
Speaker 1: Brooke and Lucas are waiting for Peyton to wake up.
Speaker 1: They they allowed for just a little smidge of room
Speaker 1: for the shame and the self blame that women feel
Speaker 1: for stuff like this, And to see Brooke blame herself
Speaker 1: felt important because so many women do that. But what
Speaker 1: also bothers me is that there was no It's like
Speaker 1: they wanted to get just a little close to it.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to get into the reality, which is,
Speaker 1: what would the shame be that Peyton carried, what would
Speaker 1: the fear be, what would the post traumatic stress look like?
Speaker 1: They didn't want to deal with any of that. But
Speaker 1: I also think about how in two thousand three this
Speaker 1: wasn't a conversation a lot of people were having Oh
Speaker 1: my god. So it's like, weirdly, it's it's sort of
Speaker 1: progressive that we talked about it. And also it feels
Speaker 1: like we dropped the ball. I remember senior year beach Week.
Speaker 1: We all went down to like if you graduated in Virginia,
Speaker 1: you'd go to the beaches in North Carolina for Senior
Speaker 1: year Beach Week. And so all our friends went to
Speaker 1: like Myrtle Beach in South Carolina and like party beaches
Speaker 1: all over the place, and my friends and I ended
Speaker 1: up in Corolla, which is like north in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: It's like where all the family houses are. It's very square.
Speaker 1: And it was because we were like, well, bad things happened,
Speaker 1: like we don't want anything bad to happen, And sure enough,
Speaker 1: a girl that we were friends with got rufied down
Speaker 1: in Myrtle Beach, and so we hear about it through
Speaker 1: like the trickle you know, we didn't have cell phones,
Speaker 1: but you hear it, you know, the trickle of information.
Speaker 1: And my girlfriend went out that night and like hooked
Speaker 1: up with some people that we didn't know, and we
Speaker 1: stayed we were looking for her all night. I was furious, furious,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, for this just to kind of like
Speaker 1: get glossed over and it's like, okay, well, onto the
Speaker 1: next party. You know how many parties have we done
Speaker 1: on the show? Eight episodes in and like there's there's
Speaker 1: like bad stuff at every party. Yeah, and the assumption
Speaker 1: that just because Peyton has walked into his room and
Speaker 1: you know, I was looking at records, that she must
Speaker 1: suddenly be interested in hooking up with him. I remember
Speaker 1: when I was I remember, and I was living in
Speaker 1: New York and I was twenty and hanging out with
Speaker 1: a group of friends, guys and girls mixed. And there
Speaker 1: was this guy who was older in the group, probably
Speaker 1: like and he was a big, tall guy. Um, and
Speaker 1: we were walking down the street and I don't know
Speaker 1: what I said, something kind of flirty and was like
Speaker 1: just being I was just you know, being like I
Speaker 1: did with my girlfriends. I mean, I was just being flirty.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my heart is pounding on, like sweating,
Speaker 1: even talking about so funny I would like, and I
Speaker 1: just remember he grabbed me, he picked me up and
Speaker 1: shoved me against a wall and pressed his whole body
Speaker 1: up against me, and he said, you better be careful
Speaker 1: talking like that, and none of them all, everybody kind
Speaker 1: of just like stopped, like and then he like he
Speaker 1: just held me for a minute up against the wall,
Speaker 1: and then he set me down and then just kind
Speaker 1: of like it was, you know, like, oh, I taught
Speaker 1: her a lesson. Ha ha. Didn't say that, but that
Speaker 1: was the attitude. And and I just kind of like
Speaker 1: I remember just having to let let the emotion just
Speaker 1: drop off of me because I couldn't process it because
Speaker 1: all my friends were there and they all didn't know
Speaker 1: what to do, and it was all just so like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then move on, bring up the next topic of
Speaker 1: conversation and just keep walking. Um. But that moment has
Speaker 1: stuck with me my whole life. That feeling of like
Speaker 1: I'm not safe to just be myself because it might
Speaker 1: incite violence trigger. It's really scary. I'm so sorry. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know any person. I don't
Speaker 1: know any woman that hasn't had but that moment. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm saying it because it's so common. We all
Speaker 1: have experienced things like that that and guys don't. So
Speaker 1: many men don't understand that that's they think, Oh, we're
Speaker 1: being naive. It's like, no, we're not. We just don't
Speaker 1: think that somebody's gonna look at us that way. And
Speaker 1: that's where I think the complexity comes into, is that
Speaker 1: it's not us being naive. It's not us quote unquote
Speaker 1: putting ourselves in a dangerous situation. What the is a
Speaker 1: dangerous situation going to the grocery store, Like, it's really
Speaker 1: just us being in the world and you get it's
Speaker 1: like getting hit, It's like getting t boned in a car.
Speaker 1: You have no idea that someone coming at you is
Speaker 1: has run a red light because you are obeying the rules.
Speaker 1: Like That's what's frustrating about these kinds of dynamics is, um,
Speaker 1: the lack of understanding that it's just what we're met
Speaker 1: with for existing well, and also the tone that this
Speaker 1: episode sets so, um, we're doing this interview, I had
Speaker 1: to do it today, and it will come out, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know it'll come out a little bit after
Speaker 1: this episode airs, and they asked her, like, well, what
Speaker 1: things tonally did? Did you have a problem within two
Speaker 1: thousand three, And like, guys, there's a bunch you know
Speaker 1: as we watch, and it was hard to like rattle
Speaker 1: it off in the moment. And and this episode is
Speaker 1: like blaring because the girls start off going to shop
Speaker 1: in a lingerie store and the result is that she's
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted, right, and nowhere in there is the conversation like, babe,
Speaker 1: you did not ask for this, you know, it is
Speaker 1: just assumed. Well, you dressed in chada print like a
Speaker 1: slot at a party. You went to a college party,
Speaker 1: and this is what happens, you know, and so you
Speaker 1: just have a drink. Sleep it off, girl, you know,
Speaker 1: don't sleep it off. Report it, you know, like get
Speaker 1: checked up on that shame that makes you feel like
Speaker 1: this is gonna plague me forever and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be believed. You will feel better having reported it,
Speaker 1: whether you're believed or not, you will know that you
Speaker 1: have done what you needed to do. Um, yeah, it's gross.
Speaker 1: I wish that we've done a better job with that.
Speaker 1: We did good stuff with other things in this episode,
Speaker 1: but that was like a strong episode overall, but but
Speaker 1: you do you see where those sort of glaring holes are.
Speaker 1: And this, I think is part of what we've all
Speaker 1: talked about in the past, and I'm sure we will
Speaker 1: continue to but you know, the lack of upper level
Speaker 1: representation in the you know, group of producers or writers
Speaker 1: of any women to say, hey, you're missing something about
Speaker 1: our experience. You're you're using you're using a stereotype or
Speaker 1: a theme rather than telling the truth. And I feel
Speaker 1: really grateful, as I have in other episodes so far
Speaker 1: with our show, but that we're able to talk about
Speaker 1: this stuff and kind of unpack what worked and what didn't,
Speaker 1: because my hope is that people who watched the show
Speaker 1: who also went that doesn't feel right can have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a of a place to come too
Speaker 1: and and you know, a better answer or or at
Speaker 1: least feel acknowledged in in what was probably you know,
Speaker 1: for some people uncomfortable to watch because they had had
Speaker 1: really similar experience. Well, there's trigger warnings on shows now, right,
Speaker 1: Did they go back and put trigger warnings on like
Speaker 1: old shows? I don't think so. I didn't see one
Speaker 1: when we started this episode. I guess not because that,
Speaker 1: by the way, that was triggering for all of us
Speaker 1: to watch. Like I we all watched it through like
Speaker 1: our hands, just kind of like, yeah, it wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't fun. So if that was triggering for you, um,
Speaker 1: you know, so many of you guys have trusted us
Speaker 1: with your narratives and with the things that have happened
Speaker 1: in your personal lives, and so like, aside from the show,
Speaker 1: we hope, girl to girl that you feel like you
Speaker 1: have the resources and the support system to deal with it,
Speaker 1: because it's it's lingering. It's not a let's go to
Speaker 1: school the next day situation. Now it should not feel
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, you should have a space where you
Speaker 1: can unpack that. And I do think it's really worth,
Speaker 1: you know, highlighting what you said Hill about the importance
Speaker 1: of reporting. I think we've all in our own ways
Speaker 1: experienced the reality of um not being listened to and
Speaker 1: the way we wanted to when we did report. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that it happens to us. But what I will say
Speaker 1: is what it enables you to do, maybe you'll have
Speaker 1: the best outcome and hopefully, you know, the me too
Speaker 1: movement and so much of the legal progress we're seeing
Speaker 1: means that people are better listened to than we were
Speaker 1: in the experiences each of us is thinking about right now.
Speaker 1: That's making our chests feel tight. But the thing you
Speaker 1: can hold onto even if you don't get the outcome
Speaker 1: you deserve, is when you have spoken your truth. When
Speaker 1: you have told people what happened. Everybody knows and they
Speaker 1: either know they showed up for you or they know
Speaker 1: they failed you. And I genuinely believe that that is
Speaker 1: part of the larger reckoning that's happening in society that's
Speaker 1: going to make systems and procedures change overall. People have
Speaker 1: to know how prevalent this stuff is, and so you know,
Speaker 1: take your time, do it in your own way. Make
Speaker 1: sure you're protecting yourself and your energy, and that you
Speaker 1: feel safe and that you feel held. But if any
Speaker 1: if anybody who's with us today is questioning whether or
Speaker 1: not they should open up about something or seek recourse,
Speaker 1: I hope you feel empowered to do so because you've
Speaker 1: deserve it. Yeah, I agree, all right, So that's yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's really lovely stuff in here. Yeah, Well, one
Speaker 1: of them is Brooke really redeems herself in this episode.
Speaker 1: Not only a one eight, it's like a it's like
Speaker 1: an eleven eighty, you know what I mean. It is
Speaker 1: just pirouettes of difference from the last episode, even the
Speaker 1: way we wake up together and I'm like, oh, but
Speaker 1: you and Luca's we're having a time. It's like they did.
Speaker 1: I feel like they did that to Brook a lot,
Speaker 1: where they were like, we really need someone to do
Speaker 1: some inappropriate next episode, just pretend it didn't happen. And
Speaker 1: I was like, this is okay, all right. I love
Speaker 1: that she shows up at Nathan's house in that corduad
Speaker 1: blazer and buttoned up and she's like, I'm really trying
Speaker 1: to change my karma. Yeah, so that was so sweet.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to appease the gods. I love that
Speaker 1: you were like, she's pagan, but I did. I loved
Speaker 1: that the also sort of the permission to, you know,
Speaker 1: own up to your failures and try to make it better. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I loved her sending you guys on a scavenger hunt.
Speaker 1: I forgot that I was the one that did that.
Speaker 1: That was a cute, super cute. It was a cute.
Speaker 1: What they called it, They called it a serial date?
Speaker 1: Is that is that a real term? Wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: a progressive date. I thought it was a serial date,
Speaker 1: a real thing, because it sounds dangerous serious. It really
Speaker 1: made me think of a serial killer, which is like
Speaker 1: not the point of the romantic lift in the episode. No,
Speaker 1: I'm getting like excel charts, you know, like I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing anything. Is that an old timey word? It's old timey,
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That must be what do the
Speaker 1: kids call those dates? Now? Kids don't date now, they
Speaker 1: just text each other. Yeah, they like snapchat. That was
Speaker 1: so fun. I don't you know, I remember, I remember
Speaker 1: filming some of that, the night walks and stuff. But again,
Speaker 1: it's hard. So much of this stuff blurs together for
Speaker 1: me because we've spent so many nights outside on the streets, um,
Speaker 1: you know, filming stuff. So um yeah. But I I
Speaker 1: loved watching it. I loved watching Nathan and Haley really
Speaker 1: find each other for the first time, in Haley standing
Speaker 1: up for herself and being like, I'm not putting up
Speaker 1: with this ship. I was saying when we were watching it,
Speaker 1: I would not have had that confidence, especially when when
Speaker 1: um Tim and the basketball players come to the table
Speaker 1: and Nathan totally denies that they're on a date. And
Speaker 1: I would have I would have just been like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Whatever imploded, Yeah, exactly, it's fallen inward with shame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have to act cool on the surface. Then
Speaker 1: I would have gone home and cried and felt awful.
Speaker 1: And but the fact that Haley was just like yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you know what for a girl that like, like, what
Speaker 1: do we think Haley's background is in dating? You know,
Speaker 1: like for a girl is not practiced in dating for
Speaker 1: her to come out of the gates, so like, oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Of the basketball team, right, He's like he's like the
Speaker 1: guy just drop my pen. That's how much she meant it.
Speaker 1: She's like he's like the big, superstar stud on campus
Speaker 1: and she is like feels awkward and feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: is he really going out with me? And this is crazy?
Speaker 1: But she's not willing to sacrifice her integrity and her
Speaker 1: what she believes about herself and her confidence for this guy.
Speaker 1: So so Baller just love her. Yeah, She's She's really
Speaker 1: fantastic this episode. When you're watching it, Joy, do you
Speaker 1: feel like you're watching yourself or do you feel like
Speaker 1: you're watching a different person. I don't feel like I'm
Speaker 1: watching myself. I know that it's me um, and I've
Speaker 1: sometimes there's a little like electrical current that goes between
Speaker 1: me and the screen, and I'm like, oh, I feel
Speaker 1: I remember that I was feeling awkward or well, you know,
Speaker 1: and I have a little muscle memory, but overall, I
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of actual memories of being behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. And there's a lot of stuff I watched
Speaker 1: them like, I have no recollection of being in that location,
Speaker 1: and I don't know saying those words and all these lamps.
Speaker 1: I just would have said something if I recognize the lamp. Um. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it feels like somebody else. But I recognize the emotions
Speaker 1: of all the things I was feeling as a person
Speaker 1: back then. This is kind of a long winded answer, sorry,
Speaker 1: but I didn't think it's insecure back then, and really
Speaker 1: like awkward. So I think I feel it's still in
Speaker 1: my way. So if do you feel like you're watching
Speaker 1: yourself or like a different animal, No, I really don't.
Speaker 1: It feels so strange. What's really interesting is I can
Speaker 1: see in episodes seven and eight, I can see my
Speaker 1: terror and fear about I've never really done this before.
Speaker 1: Four I've gotten done on episode or a scene. I
Speaker 1: can see that relaxing. I don't feel like I'm pushing
Speaker 1: as hard to like be good at being brooked. But
Speaker 1: I also like, I just it's so odd because I, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember how strange and insecure I felt, and also
Speaker 1: how weird it was to feel that way inside of
Speaker 1: playing the captain of the cheerleading squad, who's this super
Speaker 1: overtly ballsy girl. You know, we had some really big
Speaker 1: kisses in this episode, like monumental, game changing kisses, and
Speaker 1: that is the stuff When people are like, how do
Speaker 1: you weigh the good stuff and the bad stuff, I'm like, listen,
Speaker 1: we're putting the bad stuff out there because we deserve that, um.
Speaker 1: But that's what helps people to know for the future.
Speaker 1: You know, we're transparent and honest. It's healing, it's informative
Speaker 1: for others. It's great. But it's fun to watch these
Speaker 1: episodes where we get to celebrate the big good stuff
Speaker 1: and the Nathan and Haley just like epic kiss in
Speaker 1: your front yard? Can you tell us about that day?
Speaker 1: Did you know that it was going to be a
Speaker 1: big deal that day when you were filming it. I
Speaker 1: knew it felt like a big deal. Within that storyline. Uh,
Speaker 1: I knew. It was like a moment that we had
Speaker 1: kind of all been waiting for. I I don't, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I did certainly didn't know they
Speaker 1: were going to put that switch Foot song with it,
Speaker 1: which was that was A Walk to Remember had just
Speaker 1: come out too, I think the time. So there was
Speaker 1: that other that switch Foot song. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was in that, if that same song was in
Speaker 1: um A Walk to Remember, or if it was a
Speaker 1: different one of their songs, but they were a huge
Speaker 1: band at the time, and so to get that song
Speaker 1: put at that moment, it was such a big deal. Um,
Speaker 1: such a big deal and and uh I was kind
Speaker 1: of nervous and um because I hadn't had a lot
Speaker 1: of on screen kisses. Um what I've seen the beautiful
Speaker 1: video that was cut together on Twitter Joy. It's my
Speaker 1: favorite thing ever when fans that was just with him,
Speaker 1: though I hadn't had a lot except other with with
Speaker 1: Paul Anthony Stewart, my co star on Guiding Light. You
Speaker 1: were so sexy in all of those bakeout scenes that
Speaker 1: you did with that other dude. And I remember watched
Speaker 1: it like how old were we wouldn't that happen? But
Speaker 1: what's kind of great? It is like your kiss with
Speaker 1: Nathan is so different from Peyton's interaction with him, which
Speaker 1: is so fun to watch as a viewer, like, oh,
Speaker 1: there he is, you know you bring out the hymn.
Speaker 1: It was the It was a great way for him
Speaker 1: to redeem himself after at you know, awful moment at
Speaker 1: the table. They had this really sweet night and his
Speaker 1: his you know bad the bad part of his character
Speaker 1: kicked in and he betrayed her and denied that they
Speaker 1: were on a date and and she left And I
Speaker 1: love that it. That was a really vulnerable move for him.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I'm just gonna like I'm a big
Speaker 1: tough guys like. It wasn't an ego move like I'll
Speaker 1: kiss her and then I'll win her over. It was
Speaker 1: like a genuine what else could I possibly do? How
Speaker 1: can I let this girl know how much I like her?
Speaker 1: And he just went for it. Um, big big deal.
Speaker 1: We all cheered. It was such a great feeling as
Speaker 1: I have such a crush on Nathan and Haley. It's
Speaker 1: just really fun to watch. Did you have a kiss
Speaker 1: in real life like that? You guys did you ever
Speaker 1: have one that you knew was like did it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just dad age. Yeah it's interesting too. You know,
Speaker 1: we were talking about this as we were watching all this,
Speaker 1: like this hero moment for Nathan and Haley and this
Speaker 1: boy kind of having to find his integrity, and then
Speaker 1: we had this kind of aha moment where we were like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute. For years we basically were told that,
Speaker 1: like Brooke and Peyton were fighting over weekas and you
Speaker 1: guys going back to watch it, the throwers are sitting
Speaker 1: here going, oh, I'm sorry, this boy is playing these
Speaker 1: two girls. Let's talk about integrity for a moment. But
Speaker 1: I didn't see you at the time, which is also
Speaker 1: such a statement about like how we tell stories to girls.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like he is flirting and being sweet
Speaker 1: and cute and opening up his feelings with both of
Speaker 1: them in the It's I was. To his credit, he
Speaker 1: is so good at being like the charming listener and
Speaker 1: the one that tells you you're special. Those are dangerous boys,
Speaker 1: the ones that can say, like, girl, you're so special, right,
Speaker 1: and like ten girls. I mean, look, I want to
Speaker 1: I want to make room for the fact that he's
Speaker 1: a teenage boy. To this character and he you know,
Speaker 1: he's also going to be confused and who do I like?
Speaker 1: And I like messy this girl and this about that girl,
Speaker 1: and I own that's reality. It is complicated, man. I
Speaker 1: just realized that again. The narrative always became like what
Speaker 1: these girls fighting over this boy, and it's like, actually,
Speaker 1: this boy was like fully he was uncle showing up
Speaker 1: for both of these needed to pick a lane. When
Speaker 1: I was in high school, so when I was in
Speaker 1: high school senior year, my girlfriend, my best friend, and
Speaker 1: I were dating these college boys two years older than us,
Speaker 1: and it's like the summer before senior year and we're
Speaker 1: feeling so cool and the boys were also best friends,
Speaker 1: and they got together and decided they wanted to switch.
Speaker 1: So my boyfriend pulled her aside, and her boyfriend was like, hey,
Speaker 1: can I am, Can I talk to you during my
Speaker 1: lunch break at work? And she's like, go go. You
Speaker 1: know he's not calling me as often, Go talk to him.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, of course, I'll go be
Speaker 1: your ambassador. And this son of a bitch decided to
Speaker 1: be like, I think that we've made a mistake, and
Speaker 1: they tried to do a switch a row and so
Speaker 1: I totally buy boy teenage boys being just like dumb
Speaker 1: and messy. Here's the deal. Don't date the charming boy
Speaker 1: date mouth date mouth mouth. Oh my god. The beginning
Speaker 1: establishment of Brooke and Mauth friendship. She's so cute and
Speaker 1: she is like, I'm always so happy when we see
Speaker 1: Brooke being like an actual little baby because and when
Speaker 1: she sits down and like they joke about his nickname
Speaker 1: and she said, well that was you know my nickname again?
Speaker 1: And then she goes because I slept with my mouth open.
Speaker 1: It's like so innocent and sweet. She's just a little
Speaker 1: tadpole in that scene, just like and seeing our guys
Speaker 1: are basketball guys on the court, see and Antoine and Cullen,
Speaker 1: that was so cool to it was important to return
Speaker 1: that element. It's like they got away from it. We
Speaker 1: had like three party episodes in a row. We were
Speaker 1: about the rich kids, and it was just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. The element that Vaughan who played Fergie
Speaker 1: and um Cullen and Antoine brought to it, Like it's
Speaker 1: just so much richer when you have that duality, you know,
Speaker 1: then being insulted that Lucas has blown them off, that
Speaker 1: was important. Those are big feelings and I don't remember
Speaker 1: what happens in the later episodes, but I hope they
Speaker 1: really give him help for that because he's not being
Speaker 1: a good friend. Yeah. I loved I love the reminder
Speaker 1: that that that's where he comes from, that's where he belongs.
Speaker 1: Those are his people, you know, and they're the ones
Speaker 1: that are always there for him in spite of all
Speaker 1: the new things that are happening in his life, like
Speaker 1: his cell phone. Cell phone, cell phone. Remember that was
Speaker 1: like a shocking thing for someone to have a cell phone.
Speaker 1: How old were you guys when you got your first
Speaker 1: cell phones. There was like a car phone that my
Speaker 1: parents would put in the car, right they had to
Speaker 1: like plug into the at like the lighter. But I
Speaker 1: didn't get my own personal cell phone until I had
Speaker 1: worked at MTV for like a year and a half
Speaker 1: two years. I used to have to call into MTV
Speaker 1: on pay phones, like in the subway, to be like,
Speaker 1: do you guys need me to work this week? Um?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, that was the only way I could get
Speaker 1: a hold of people. Oh, I love that. My parents
Speaker 1: were so paranoid once I got a driver's license. They
Speaker 1: were like, you are getting a cell phone and it
Speaker 1: will stay turned off in your purse and you will
Speaker 1: turn it on if you are ever in a car
Speaker 1: accident for emergencies only. Like it was such a thing.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, cut to a year later, I'm
Speaker 1: like like nine, texting people like one to h the
Speaker 1: letters multiple over and over again. Would you that I was?
Speaker 1: I think I was seventeen and sixty years seven, probably
Speaker 1: seventeen when I moved out and got my apartment. Did
Speaker 1: you had a cellphone or not just a landline? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was while I was riding the bus into
Speaker 1: the city to work, like I had my own apartment.
Speaker 1: I was going to my senior year of high school
Speaker 1: and kid, yeah, I would live alone, total adult, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: pack up the house. Got crazy. My story is so crazy,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I would take the bus into Manhattan because
Speaker 1: I had an apartment in Hackensack, New Jersey. Um, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, my mom got my cell phone and it
Speaker 1: was one of those that looked like a you know,
Speaker 1: like a double It was like like the Zach Morris
Speaker 1: from Saved by the Bell Phone. What it looked like
Speaker 1: was this thing, you know, amazing giant recorder. Um, the
Speaker 1: Zach Morris yeah, no, listen, my son just watched Zoo
Speaker 1: Lander with their like talking on the little teeny tiny phones,
Speaker 1: and just like, do you still have those moms? Do
Speaker 1: you still have a daddy? Yeah, I've got some boxes
Speaker 1: of old phones. Gus Morgan is here for it. Um,
Speaker 1: how do we feel about this whole Karen leaving for
Speaker 1: Florence so more of we can have a baby situation.
Speaker 1: I love it so much. The and times in this
Speaker 1: episode Italy Italy, Italy. In fact, I think Chad once
Speaker 1: said don't go to the Italy because he said, don't
Speaker 1: not go to the Italy because blah blah blah. I
Speaker 1: think I think that's what I heard as Fenny, who
Speaker 1: definitely do you think played the Italian man on the voicemail?
Speaker 1: Because that was not an Italian person, was not an Italian.
Speaker 1: That was someone on the crew who wait, maybe it
Speaker 1: was Mike Leone. I was going to say it was Leone.
Speaker 1: It was because Mike, so for everyone listening, Mike Leone
Speaker 1: was our wonderful script supervisor. What a just lovely and
Speaker 1: delicious him the best heart, and he was always tasked with,
Speaker 1: you know, if there were phone calls or anything in
Speaker 1: a scene where the other person obviously wasn't there. He'd
Speaker 1: have to read the dialogue on the other end of
Speaker 1: the phone. He always played more parts on One Tree
Speaker 1: Hill than any other human. He truly did, so I
Speaker 1: would love to know if that was his voice. Is
Speaker 1: it tell you a man that shift is on the phone.
Speaker 1: He did spend a lot of time in Italy. You know,
Speaker 1: we obviously had to get MOI were out for a
Speaker 1: bit because she was literally about to have a baby.
Speaker 1: And I gotta be honest, they did not do a
Speaker 1: good job of hiding. Just didn't care. Like she's standing
Speaker 1: there in a two shot with Craig at the airport
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that woman is nine months pregnant. You're
Speaker 1: not even bothering to shoot above her. Tell me what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Guys? As a woman, I'm okay with
Speaker 1: this because I have not been let go from jobs
Speaker 1: but kind of scripted out because I've been pregnant. And
Speaker 1: it's like boys never like my husband didn't get scripted
Speaker 1: out when I got pregnant, you know, And so as
Speaker 1: a woman, I love that they were just like, she's pregnant,
Speaker 1: what do you want us to do? You know, you're
Speaker 1: gonna tell a story here, closures, everybody, just suspend your
Speaker 1: imagination for a minute. You'll be fine. Part of me,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think like loving camera work so much.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, come on, guys, you could have you
Speaker 1: could have started study camp shot over again. But I
Speaker 1: will say I love to your point. I love the
Speaker 1: fact that they were like, oh, no, will cater to her.
Speaker 1: We will allow her to have her version of it
Speaker 1: all in this moment, because it is such a strange
Speaker 1: thing that that, um, so many women get kind of
Speaker 1: pushed aside or treated like they're an inconvenience when they're
Speaker 1: having families and and you know there if they have
Speaker 1: male partners, they never do. And so part of me
Speaker 1: loved that, And then there's a part of me that's like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, So we we wrote her out for
Speaker 1: a while so she could go like have her baby
Speaker 1: in her maternity leave. I sure hope she was paying
Speaker 1: or play because she deserved to, you know, have that.
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Speaker 1: want th h day. Well, so this this is a
Speaker 1: full circle story. So you know, by the time I
Speaker 1: had George, I was real tender about pregnancy because I'd
Speaker 1: had so many miscarriages and so the show I was
Speaker 1: working on with was Lethal Weapon and they were you know,
Speaker 1: they're great. We got a body double for me um
Speaker 1: when I was pregnant with her, but then it was
Speaker 1: like you can't do stunts, and then traveling back and
Speaker 1: forth across the country probably isn't the best idea, So like,
Speaker 1: why don't you sit this one out, Burton, Um. But
Speaker 1: claim Crawford, who was the lead on that show, was
Speaker 1: taking such good care of me and when I worked
Speaker 1: with him, we recognize on the very first day we
Speaker 1: worked together that we had very similar training in like
Speaker 1: how you behave on set, who you talked to, who
Speaker 1: you defend who you take care of crew friendly and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him, I'm like, what have you worked on?
Speaker 1: Who do we know that's the same And he's like,
Speaker 1: you know Jojo, And I was like, you better. But
Speaker 1: so Jojo was our hairdresser on One Tree Hill. I
Speaker 1: want to know how many young actors went through the
Speaker 1: JoJo's school of set adiguet because we realized that we
Speaker 1: had the same hairdresser in common and she had groomed
Speaker 1: us to you know, beat team players and to get
Speaker 1: down and dirty and move your own cast chair and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um. But as we got
Speaker 1: to talking, he's like, you know, I almost did your
Speaker 1: show once. I was like, shut up, really, who did
Speaker 1: you almost play? And he's like there was this date
Speaker 1: rapist that was supposed to attack your character And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what he was supposed to play? Gabe in this episode?
Speaker 1: They flew him out to Wilmington's. He had, yes, they
Speaker 1: flew him out. He went through all the fittings, he
Speaker 1: did all the things, and there was something about either
Speaker 1: like hair or a goatee or like a like a
Speaker 1: thing that he needed for another job that our show,
Speaker 1: our show wanted him to be totally clean shaven, and
Speaker 1: I think he had a longside burns or something. They
Speaker 1: were so obsessed with hair, and they like he's sitting
Speaker 1: there in a hotel room and they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: well you're done and they they were like, you have
Speaker 1: to make this decision. Either you do what we say
Speaker 1: or you're done here. And is not that kind of
Speaker 1: guy that's like okay, you know. He was like, all right,
Speaker 1: you guys, I don't care, and he went on his
Speaker 1: mary way. And so they brought in Mike Irwin to
Speaker 1: play Gabe, who I think is a great choice because
Speaker 1: he does come off as like, um, not predatory. He's
Speaker 1: like he looks safe. It's a surprise when he turns.
Speaker 1: You don't expect it from him. And both of the
Speaker 1: boys who played like Peyton's predators on this show, um,
Speaker 1: Matt Barr and Mike they were both like lovely behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, like so so so sweet and so it's
Speaker 1: hard when you see someone that's so lovable, you know,
Speaker 1: get vilified. Um, but I love the claim like finally
Speaker 1: admitted He's like I was supposed to tackle you, and
Speaker 1: I'm really glad I didn't, because like, isn't weird circle.
Speaker 1: But I do want to go back to the kiss
Speaker 1: between Keith and Karen says yes. Also, they did such
Speaker 1: a good job teasing us because when they start talking
Speaker 1: and she says, you know, you told me I had
Speaker 1: good instincts, and and he and you think they're going
Speaker 1: to talk about admitting their in love with each other,
Speaker 1: and then he says, you go first, and she says,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Italy. I mean, we all had our
Speaker 1: hands over our mouths, like no, no, no, teller. And
Speaker 1: so then when it comes back around at the airport,
Speaker 1: my card, the payoff is delicious. I can't figure out
Speaker 1: if Karen's like working with him, like is she toy
Speaker 1: because because he has said I love you and and
Speaker 1: so she knows, like I mean, I guess I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out is she trying to get him
Speaker 1: to say it sober? Like? Is it like because she
Speaker 1: keeps leaning in in these conversations, you know, And I'm like, girl,
Speaker 1: you know how he feels. What are you doing? Because
Speaker 1: but think about it, Okay, think about it. You're in
Speaker 1: a situation but that you've loved for so long in
Speaker 1: so many ways, and now you are having romantic feelings
Speaker 1: for is piss drunk and tells you that he loves you.
Speaker 1: We wake up the next morning, are you you're not
Speaker 1: going to bring It's like you're too We're above bringing
Speaker 1: it up. I'm not going to not No, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to bring that up. Oh hey, bro, remember that
Speaker 1: time you tell me I was awesome? True? Now? Ye? So?
Speaker 1: And because if if it was just drunk, if he
Speaker 1: if he meant it, if it was just because he
Speaker 1: was feeling it in the moment, like she deserves more
Speaker 1: than that. She deserves more than a drunken I love you.
Speaker 1: And so I think she was coaxing and hoping that
Speaker 1: it would, you know, come back out, but not, She's
Speaker 1: just she deserves better than having to bring Do you
Speaker 1: think she's trying to get him to say, like, don't
Speaker 1: go to Italy, like stay here because that I guess
Speaker 1: that's the conversation that really threw me because she I
Speaker 1: know what she's trying to tease out of him, but
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Then when he's like you go first,
Speaker 1: She's like, Okay, I'm going to talk to you about
Speaker 1: my ambitions. I think she was planning on talking to
Speaker 1: him about Italy the whole time. I too, because let's
Speaker 1: be honest, as an ambitious woman, what you want is
Speaker 1: to say you told me something and it's what I want,
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to put my dream on hold
Speaker 1: for it. So I'm gonna go do this thing I've
Speaker 1: been dreaming about doing it. Are you going to be
Speaker 1: You're waiting for me when I get back. Interesting, that's
Speaker 1: what she wants, right is is for him to to
Speaker 1: mean it long enough for her to go and and
Speaker 1: have this thing for herself as an individual. I think
Speaker 1: that's why she kisses him right before she goes, because
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm going to give you something to think
Speaker 1: about for the next six weeks. But you too, maybe
Speaker 1: laugh so hard. And when we watched it, kids, you're like,
Speaker 1: she kisses to go stand in line, like like big
Speaker 1: epic kiss, and then turns around and takes like four
Speaker 1: steps and then it's like, well, I'll just be over
Speaker 1: here through security the camera, you know whatever. They ended
Speaker 1: up because they put the camera on a track so
Speaker 1: you could tell that the way they pulled away from
Speaker 1: Craig's face that they were trying to create the illusion
Speaker 1: of her walking away looking over her shoulder and him
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I mean, I think they tried to
Speaker 1: fix it, but I just don't understand why they didn't
Speaker 1: just remove the extras and just have her Just why
Speaker 1: why don't know one fix that? Like did you control that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we controlled that. Why didn't anybody fix it? It's so weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes but by the way, like goodbyes at airports are that,
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna put all my
Speaker 1: shoes in my like do dads and right now while
Speaker 1: you stand right there, Yeah, I'm still here. I'm still
Speaker 1: in line. By Okay, I'm still here. Say a thirty
Speaker 1: seven times somebody, you know at the grocery store when
Speaker 1: you at the beginning of the trip and then you know,
Speaker 1: you pass every ice cream, love that men, chocolate chip,
Speaker 1: Sunday bacon, huh where we go? Hey? What I liked
Speaker 1: in this episode that um I started to clock in
Speaker 1: the last episode is that the interactions between the kids
Speaker 1: are starting to take on like a different weight because
Speaker 1: the adults are watching so like the whole thing with
Speaker 1: Nathan and Haley outside of the cafe, even though we
Speaker 1: don't see them in that scene, it feels like more
Speaker 1: because Karen and Keith just gave Haley the like oh,
Speaker 1: wink wink inside, like who you mean out there? You know,
Speaker 1: Like it just feels like the adults are having fun
Speaker 1: watching the kids navigate um. But it also that pressure
Speaker 1: I have felt that in real life of like, oh
Speaker 1: my good, you know, I have to explain this to
Speaker 1: my parents when I get home. It gives what you're
Speaker 1: doing a certain air of accountability because you're gonna get
Speaker 1: asked about it later. I like that, and it's just
Speaker 1: so charming to see them be like, oh, you guys,
Speaker 1: Oh you're going on a date like cute? Great with Danson, Awesome.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have picked better for you. Great. This was
Speaker 1: also a great episode for music, not just the Switchfoot song,
Speaker 1: but the song at the end, because there was It
Speaker 1: was the first time at least I remember as we've
Speaker 1: been watching this really seeing music worked into the edit
Speaker 1: that it was very specifically, you know, the slow mo
Speaker 1: that that they did with Peyton and Brooke at the end,
Speaker 1: and lucas Um and the big kiss with Nathan and Haley.
Speaker 1: It felt very like it was the beginning of really
Speaker 1: understanding our tone as a show, being so centered around
Speaker 1: the emotion that is evoked by music. I feel like
Speaker 1: we discovered it in this episode. Yeah, music becomes a
Speaker 1: character in this episode and remains one through the rest
Speaker 1: of the show. It's weird to be how music became
Speaker 1: like a much bigger because it wasn't and you know,
Speaker 1: the pilot, like, you know, we had cool songs, but
Speaker 1: we all got really involved with MTV right and and
Speaker 1: Laguna Beach started airing, and you kind of started to
Speaker 1: get this really strong music influence in our genre in particular,
Speaker 1: And so you know, Peyton pivoted entirely from being an
Speaker 1: artist to all of a sudden being obsessed with music.
Speaker 1: You know, Joy went for being tutor girl to being
Speaker 1: a musician. You know. So we just we leaned in
Speaker 1: so hard to it because we saw how successful it
Speaker 1: was and how much the fans they like that way
Speaker 1: more than they like my color and books, you know,
Speaker 1: play another Oh gosh, and being in the CD store
Speaker 1: Tombs and that's that's seen standing in the CD store
Speaker 1: likes Sam Goody and Tower Records. Did you guys have
Speaker 1: Waxy Maxie in your town? Oh? That was our Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was our Virginia thing. We had a Waxy Maxie
Speaker 1: that was dope. Yeah, I remember, like flirting with dudes
Speaker 1: over the racks of c d s and being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, um my biggest bully in high school who
Speaker 1: I had such a crush on, Like, he was so
Speaker 1: mean to me and I loved him. He owns a
Speaker 1: record store back home, and my girlfriends are like, you
Speaker 1: can't go, And I'm like, but what if he's nice
Speaker 1: to me this time? And they're like, he will never
Speaker 1: be nice to you. But it makes total sense that
Speaker 1: he owns a record store. You're like, that's when did it?
Speaker 1: He was so brutal. There was the coolest record shop
Speaker 1: in Chicago that I used to go into all the
Speaker 1: time called Shugar Sugar Records, and the guy who owns
Speaker 1: it is so lovely in him and his wife have
Speaker 1: rescue dogs, and we became like dog friends. And then
Speaker 1: he would save great presses of records that would come
Speaker 1: in for me. Those are friends to have, good friends
Speaker 1: to have. Man, all right, Um, so we need to
Speaker 1: address the deb of it all before we get into
Speaker 1: our superlatives, ladies. Deb makes this very grand offer to Karen,
Speaker 1: which we all were like trying to sort out while
Speaker 1: we were watching it. You know, I think you know,
Speaker 1: we went from being a roofied to this like big, huge, grandiose,
Speaker 1: you know, generous thing. So, yeah, we ran the game
Speaker 1: at this episode. I don't know, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about that? Again? I think it's a bit of a device,
Speaker 1: like in the way that Brooke had to be a
Speaker 1: monster in episode seven to drive the drama. I think
Speaker 1: you know, Moira is leaving because she's having a baby.
Speaker 1: So but the cafe is a very central place for
Speaker 1: us as a location, and they're like, well, this would
Speaker 1: be chronic cool of deb you know, did her her
Speaker 1: karmic retribution. Oh my god, it's actually hitting me in
Speaker 1: this moment. Brooks whole thing is about fixing her karma,
Speaker 1: and deb interestingly is like paying that kind of a
Speaker 1: karmic debt with Karen and talks about how she didn't
Speaker 1: know about Karen then but she knows now and Karen
Speaker 1: had been cheated from so much in life she deserved this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful, graceful thing to do. I mean, And
Speaker 1: that is so that is so consistent with who we've
Speaker 1: come to know and love about Debt, or come to
Speaker 1: know her as and love about her that she takes
Speaker 1: the high road and um that she leads by example,
Speaker 1: and is willing to sacrifice her time and in order
Speaker 1: to bridge a gap that has been a huge chasm
Speaker 1: in her family and in her community as well. It's
Speaker 1: a really incredible, self sacrificial, gracious thing to do. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed by her in this name. And what's
Speaker 1: hitting me now is last episode she had the ultimate
Speaker 1: clap back with all the you know, rude basketball moms
Speaker 1: by putting all the Karen's goods out at the party
Speaker 1: and telling them that they all came from Karen's Cafe
Speaker 1: and sort of snapping back at that judgment. And now
Speaker 1: she's just going to go and do this thing. It
Speaker 1: really is lovely the way they're having this, this unlikely
Speaker 1: friendship and the foreshadowing, which I know wasn't planned then,
Speaker 1: but it gave me so it put me so squarely
Speaker 1: in my feelings, Joy thinking about you and I ending
Speaker 1: this series as two women standing in that same window
Speaker 1: in that cafe having built a life together, and like
Speaker 1: in that moment looking at like I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, broken, Haley, do that like these unlikely friends.
Speaker 1: It's it's so yeah, we got some really special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really special. Is there anything in the actual Karen's
Speaker 1: cafe space right now do we know? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna find out for us, sleuthy friends, can you
Speaker 1: tell us what's what's going on in our what's there?
Speaker 1: What's there? We need to know? Let's spend the wheel, girls,
Speaker 1: come on, do it most likely to? Oh, there's some
Speaker 1: good ones popping up. Hold on. A couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: it was who was most likely to get lost in
Speaker 1: the woods? Yeah, and this one who's most likely to
Speaker 1: get lost in their own neighborhood? I mean characters? Let's
Speaker 1: think about the character? Yes, I mean yeah, absolutely, that
Speaker 1: sweet girl. Um, we need to have Bevin on because
Speaker 1: can't wait. Even though she's not like talking in the episodes, yet,
Speaker 1: Bevin was there for all, like every party ever. Bevin's there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bevin's character, I would say, get lost in the woods.
Speaker 1: She's pretty shark character character. Yeah. Well it's hard because
Speaker 1: they share a name. Yeah, but so, yes, Bevin the character,
Speaker 1: not Bevin the person who of our cast would get
Speaker 1: lost in their own neighborhood. Why do I want to say?
Speaker 1: James a bad sense of direction? He lived in that
Speaker 1: neighborhood where like all the houses look the same I
Speaker 1: could never make it to James's house. Guys, it might
Speaker 1: be me, It might be me. Listen. There was a
Speaker 1: night when Jeff and I first started dating where he
Speaker 1: was all jazz to get off work early and go
Speaker 1: to this restaurant, and I was like, know where it is?
Speaker 1: I know where it is. We drove for an hour
Speaker 1: and a half and I'm like, I'm like, it's on
Speaker 1: Wyoming Street. It's on Wyoming And he got so it
Speaker 1: was like the first time he had to not get
Speaker 1: frustrated with me. It was our first like lovers, I'm
Speaker 1: not frustrated. Yeah yeah, and he he did this day,
Speaker 1: still teases me anytime we get lost, He's like, is
Speaker 1: it on Wyoming? And like a detail about you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean this is when they made iPhones, right, Can
Speaker 1: anybody can map anymore? My Thomas Guide is still somewhere.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've got that in a box. Yeah. Not
Speaker 1: not that that's a shock to anyone. Would you like
Speaker 1: a you won't need a map to find us next week?
Speaker 1: We'll be right here. Oh my god, Joy, you just
Speaker 1: came in with such a dad joke. That was fabulous.
Speaker 1: You can always count on me Dowd jokes. Oh God,
Speaker 1: we love you all. I love you girls, and love
Speaker 1: you so we'll see you back for episode nine next week.
Speaker 1: With arms outstretched. I wonder what happens on that one.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out that's not that creed song
Speaker 1: isn't No, that's all right. We'll see you all next week.
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