1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: that high school drama. Girl drama girl, all about them 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: our comic girl Cheering for the drama Queens Girl Fashion. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: But you'll tough, girl, you can sit with us. Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Queen's DRAWMA Queen's Drama Drawn, MC Queen's Drama, Queens col 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: will will. Wow. That was strong episode because the episode, 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean, good God, it's on the one hand, so 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: ugly and over the top awful, and then it like 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: boo rings around to this really beautiful, tender sweet place 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: and it's it's just kind of wild. It makes you 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: kind of forget it. Well, let's just get into it. Yeah, 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: let's get into it. Episode eight, The Search for Something More, 14 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: aired originally on November eleventh, two thousand three, And oh, 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: wasn't this a doozy hoping to have fun? Brooke and 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: Payton attend a college party, but the situation gets bad 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: when a guy named Gabe drugs Peyton and everything goes 18 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: to hell in a handbasket. That wasn't part of the 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: write up, but it was just how I felt about 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: the episode. Yeah, sure, Okay, So we started talking about 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: this the second the episode ended. Um, And so it 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: was just in the midst of being like, oh my god, 23 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: what's sweet, tender, lovely things? But then we remember, oh 24 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: there was it started heinous miss stuff at the beginning 25 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: of the episode. Terrible. Yeah. I really wish we there 26 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: had been more. I wish we had kind of been 27 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: able to take a whole episode or at least, you know, 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: to work out that storyline and all the implications of that, 29 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: because it's just it felt a little glossed over. Well yeah, 30 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if you have never been a soul did 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: and you're writing an episode about assault, it is really 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: easy to be like, hey man, nothing happened, You're fine, 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: wake up the next day and put on your backpack 34 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: and go to school. Um. The reality of that, we 35 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: all know is blowny um. And so you know, if 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: this show was made today, they would be definitely like 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: reporting this because if he's going to roofy Peyton, he's 38 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: going to roofy other people. Yeah, I mean he had 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: a pack. Yeah, it wasn't the first last time. And 40 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: then like the realization even if nothing happens, the realization 41 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: that something could have gone really really bad? Is enough 42 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: two really um really affect you in a very negative way. 43 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: It makes you so distrustful. And so you know, even 44 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Peyton being affectionate with Lucas, I don't know that that's 45 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: like a natural action, you know. For for me, I'm like, 46 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: how about nobody touched me for like a good long time. 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: There is something that's so deeply traumatic about the realization 48 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: as a young woman that you move through the world 49 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: and by more people than you thought, are looked at 50 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: as prey rather than as a person. And we really 51 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: did just gloss over that. The one thing that I 52 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: do I think they did well essentially ignoring what happened. 53 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: Like the one sort of peek in that I thought 54 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: was really interesting was in the time that you know, 55 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Brooke and Lucas are waiting for Peyton to wake up. 56 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: They they allowed for just a little smidge of room 57 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: for the shame and the self blame that women feel 58 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: for stuff like this, And to see Brooke blame herself 59 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: felt important because so many women do that. But what 60 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: also bothers me is that there was no It's like 61 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: they wanted to get just a little close to it. 62 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: They didn't want to get into the reality, which is, 63 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: what would the shame be that Peyton carried, what would 64 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: the fear be, what would the post traumatic stress look like? 65 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: They didn't want to deal with any of that. But 66 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: I also think about how in two thousand three this 67 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: wasn't a conversation a lot of people were having Oh 68 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: my god. So it's like, weirdly, it's it's sort of 69 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: progressive that we talked about it. And also it feels 70 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: like we dropped the ball. I remember senior year beach Week. 71 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: We all went down to like if you graduated in Virginia, 72 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: you'd go to the beaches in North Carolina for Senior 73 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: year Beach Week. And so all our friends went to 74 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: like Myrtle Beach in South Carolina and like party beaches 75 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: all over the place, and my friends and I ended 76 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: up in Corolla, which is like north in North Carolina. 77 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: It's like where all the family houses are. It's very square. 78 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: And it was because we were like, well, bad things happened, 79 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: like we don't want anything bad to happen, And sure enough, 80 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: a girl that we were friends with got rufied down 81 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: in Myrtle Beach, and so we hear about it through 82 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: like the trickle you know, we didn't have cell phones, 83 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: but you hear it, you know, the trickle of information. 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: And my girlfriend went out that night and like hooked 85 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: up with some people that we didn't know, and we 86 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: stayed we were looking for her all night. I was furious, furious, 87 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: and so yeah, for this just to kind of like 88 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: get glossed over and it's like, okay, well, onto the 89 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: next party. You know how many parties have we done 90 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: on the show? Eight episodes in and like there's there's 91 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: like bad stuff at every party. Yeah, and the assumption 92 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: that just because Peyton has walked into his room and 93 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, I was looking at records, that she must 94 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: suddenly be interested in hooking up with him. I remember 95 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: when I was I remember, and I was living in 96 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: New York and I was twenty and hanging out with 97 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: a group of friends, guys and girls mixed. And there 98 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: was this guy who was older in the group, probably 99 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: like and he was a big, tall guy. Um, and 100 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: we were walking down the street and I don't know 101 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: what I said, something kind of flirty and was like 102 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: just being I was just you know, being like I 103 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: did with my girlfriends. I mean, I was just being flirty. 104 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, my heart is pounding on, like sweating, 105 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: even talking about so funny I would like, and I 106 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: just remember he grabbed me, he picked me up and 107 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: shoved me against a wall and pressed his whole body 108 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: up against me, and he said, you better be careful 109 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: talking like that, and none of them all, everybody kind 110 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: of just like stopped, like and then he like he 111 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: just held me for a minute up against the wall, 112 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: and then he set me down and then just kind 113 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: of like it was, you know, like, oh, I taught 114 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: her a lesson. Ha ha. Didn't say that, but that 115 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: was the attitude. And and I just kind of like 116 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: I remember just having to let let the emotion just 117 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: drop off of me because I couldn't process it because 118 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: all my friends were there and they all didn't know 119 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: what to do, and it was all just so like yeah, yeah, 120 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: and then move on, bring up the next topic of 121 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: conversation and just keep walking. Um. But that moment has 122 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: stuck with me my whole life. That feeling of like 123 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm not safe to just be myself because it might 124 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: incite violence trigger. It's really scary. I'm so sorry. I mean, 125 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know any person. I don't 126 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: know any woman that hasn't had but that moment. That's 127 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: why I'm saying it because it's so common. We all 128 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: have experienced things like that that and guys don't. So 129 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: many men don't understand that that's they think, Oh, we're 130 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: being naive. It's like, no, we're not. We just don't 131 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: think that somebody's gonna look at us that way. And 132 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: that's where I think the complexity comes into, is that 133 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: it's not us being naive. It's not us quote unquote 134 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: putting ourselves in a dangerous situation. What the is a 135 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: dangerous situation going to the grocery store, Like, it's really 136 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: just us being in the world and you get it's 137 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: like getting hit, It's like getting t boned in a car. 138 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: You have no idea that someone coming at you is 139 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: has run a red light because you are obeying the rules. 140 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Like That's what's frustrating about these kinds of dynamics is, um, 141 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: the lack of understanding that it's just what we're met 142 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: with for existing well, and also the tone that this 143 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: episode sets so, um, we're doing this interview, I had 144 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: to do it today, and it will come out, you know, 145 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: I don't know it'll come out a little bit after 146 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: this episode airs, and they asked her, like, well, what 147 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: things tonally did? Did you have a problem within two 148 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: thousand three, And like, guys, there's a bunch you know 149 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: as we watch, and it was hard to like rattle 150 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: it off in the moment. And and this episode is 151 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: like blaring because the girls start off going to shop 152 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: in a lingerie store and the result is that she's 153 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted, right, and nowhere in there is the conversation like, babe, 154 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: you did not ask for this, you know, it is 155 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: just assumed. Well, you dressed in chada print like a 156 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: slot at a party. You went to a college party, 157 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: and this is what happens, you know, and so you 158 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: just have a drink. Sleep it off, girl, you know, 159 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: don't sleep it off. Report it, you know, like get 160 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: checked up on that shame that makes you feel like 161 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: this is gonna plague me forever and I'm not going 162 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: to be believed. You will feel better having reported it, 163 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: whether you're believed or not, you will know that you 164 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: have done what you needed to do. Um, yeah, it's gross. 165 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: I wish that we've done a better job with that. 166 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: We did good stuff with other things in this episode, 167 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: but that was like a strong episode overall, but but 168 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: you do you see where those sort of glaring holes are. 169 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: And this, I think is part of what we've all 170 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: talked about in the past, and I'm sure we will 171 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: continue to but you know, the lack of upper level 172 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: representation in the you know, group of producers or writers 173 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: of any women to say, hey, you're missing something about 174 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: our experience. You're you're using you're using a stereotype or 175 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: a theme rather than telling the truth. And I feel 176 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: really grateful, as I have in other episodes so far 177 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: with our show, but that we're able to talk about 178 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: this stuff and kind of unpack what worked and what didn't, 179 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: because my hope is that people who watched the show 180 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: who also went that doesn't feel right can have a 181 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: little bit of a of a place to come too 182 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: and and you know, a better answer or or at 183 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: least feel acknowledged in in what was probably you know, 184 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: for some people uncomfortable to watch because they had had 185 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: really similar experience. Well, there's trigger warnings on shows now, right, 186 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: Did they go back and put trigger warnings on like 187 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: old shows? I don't think so. I didn't see one 188 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: when we started this episode. I guess not because that, 189 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: by the way, that was triggering for all of us 190 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: to watch. Like I we all watched it through like 191 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: our hands, just kind of like, yeah, it wasn't it 192 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: wasn't fun. So if that was triggering for you, um, 193 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: you know, so many of you guys have trusted us 194 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: with your narratives and with the things that have happened 195 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: in your personal lives, and so like, aside from the show, 196 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: we hope, girl to girl that you feel like you 197 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: have the resources and the support system to deal with it, 198 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: because it's it's lingering. It's not a let's go to 199 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: school the next day situation. Now it should not feel 200 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, you should have a space where you 201 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: can unpack that. And I do think it's really worth, 202 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, highlighting what you said Hill about the importance 203 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: of reporting. I think we've all in our own ways 204 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: experienced the reality of um not being listened to and 205 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: the way we wanted to when we did report. Yeah, 206 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: that it happens to us. But what I will say 207 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: is what it enables you to do, maybe you'll have 208 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: the best outcome and hopefully, you know, the me too 209 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: movement and so much of the legal progress we're seeing 210 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: means that people are better listened to than we were 211 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: in the experiences each of us is thinking about right now. 212 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: That's making our chests feel tight. But the thing you 213 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: can hold onto even if you don't get the outcome 214 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: you deserve, is when you have spoken your truth. When 215 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: you have told people what happened. Everybody knows and they 216 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: either know they showed up for you or they know 217 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: they failed you. And I genuinely believe that that is 218 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: part of the larger reckoning that's happening in society that's 219 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: going to make systems and procedures change overall. People have 220 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: to know how prevalent this stuff is, and so you know, 221 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: take your time, do it in your own way. Make 222 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: sure you're protecting yourself and your energy, and that you 223 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: feel safe and that you feel held. But if any 224 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: if anybody who's with us today is questioning whether or 225 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: not they should open up about something or seek recourse, 226 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: I hope you feel empowered to do so because you've 227 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: deserve it. Yeah, I agree, all right, So that's yeah, 228 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: because there's really lovely stuff in here. Yeah, Well, one 229 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: of them is Brooke really redeems herself in this episode. 230 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: Not only a one eight, it's like a it's like 231 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: an eleven eighty, you know what I mean. It is 232 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: just pirouettes of difference from the last episode, even the 233 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: way we wake up together and I'm like, oh, but 234 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: you and Luca's we're having a time. It's like they did. 235 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: I feel like they did that to Brook a lot, 236 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: where they were like, we really need someone to do 237 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: some inappropriate next episode, just pretend it didn't happen. And 238 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: I was like, this is okay, all right. I love 239 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: that she shows up at Nathan's house in that corduad 240 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: blazer and buttoned up and she's like, I'm really trying 241 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: to change my karma. Yeah, so that was so sweet. 242 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to appease the gods. I love that 243 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: you were like, she's pagan, but I did. I loved 244 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: that the also sort of the permission to, you know, 245 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: own up to your failures and try to make it better. Yeah. 246 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: I loved her sending you guys on a scavenger hunt. 247 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: I forgot that I was the one that did that. 248 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: That was a cute, super cute. It was a cute. 249 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: What they called it, They called it a serial date? 250 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: Is that is that a real term? Wouldn't it be 251 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: a progressive date. I thought it was a serial date, 252 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: a real thing, because it sounds dangerous serious. It really 253 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: made me think of a serial killer, which is like 254 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: not the point of the romantic lift in the episode. No, 255 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm getting like excel charts, you know, like I'm not 256 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: seeing anything. Is that an old timey word? It's old timey, 257 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: That's what it is. That must be what do the 258 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: kids call those dates? Now? Kids don't date now, they 259 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: just text each other. Yeah, they like snapchat. That was 260 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: so fun. I don't you know, I remember, I remember 261 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: filming some of that, the night walks and stuff. But again, 262 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: it's hard. So much of this stuff blurs together for 263 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: me because we've spent so many nights outside on the streets, um, 264 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, filming stuff. So um yeah. But I I 265 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: loved watching it. I loved watching Nathan and Haley really 266 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: find each other for the first time, in Haley standing 267 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: up for herself and being like, I'm not putting up 268 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: with this ship. I was saying when we were watching it, 269 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: I would not have had that confidence, especially when when 270 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: um Tim and the basketball players come to the table 271 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: and Nathan totally denies that they're on a date. And 272 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: I would have I would have just been like, oh, yeah, 273 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: it's fine. Whatever imploded, Yeah, exactly, it's fallen inward with shame. Yeah, 274 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: but you have to act cool on the surface. Then 275 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: I would have gone home and cried and felt awful. 276 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: And but the fact that Haley was just like yeah, no, 277 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: you know what for a girl that like, like, what 278 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: do we think Haley's background is in dating? You know, 279 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: like for a girl is not practiced in dating for 280 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: her to come out of the gates, so like, oh no, no, no. 281 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: Of the basketball team, right, He's like he's like the 282 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: guy just drop my pen. That's how much she meant it. 283 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: She's like he's like the big, superstar stud on campus 284 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: and she is like feels awkward and feels like, you know, 285 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: is he really going out with me? And this is crazy? 286 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: But she's not willing to sacrifice her integrity and her 287 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: what she believes about herself and her confidence for this guy. 288 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: So so Baller just love her. Yeah, She's She's really 289 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: fantastic this episode. When you're watching it, Joy, do you 290 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: feel like you're watching yourself or do you feel like 291 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: you're watching a different person. I don't feel like I'm 292 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: watching myself. I know that it's me um, and I've 293 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: sometimes there's a little like electrical current that goes between 294 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: me and the screen, and I'm like, oh, I feel 295 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: I remember that I was feeling awkward or well, you know, 296 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: and I have a little muscle memory, but overall, I 297 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of actual memories of being behind 298 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: the scenes. And there's a lot of stuff I watched 299 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: them like, I have no recollection of being in that location, 300 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: and I don't know saying those words and all these lamps. 301 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: I just would have said something if I recognize the lamp. Um. Yeah, No, 302 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: it feels like somebody else. But I recognize the emotions 303 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: of all the things I was feeling as a person 304 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: back then. This is kind of a long winded answer, sorry, 305 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: but I didn't think it's insecure back then, and really 306 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: like awkward. So I think I feel it's still in 307 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: my way. So if do you feel like you're watching 308 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: yourself or like a different animal, No, I really don't. 309 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: It feels so strange. What's really interesting is I can 310 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: see in episodes seven and eight, I can see my 311 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: terror and fear about I've never really done this before. 312 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: Four I've gotten done on episode or a scene. I 313 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: can see that relaxing. I don't feel like I'm pushing 314 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: as hard to like be good at being brooked. But 315 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: I also like, I just it's so odd because I, yeah, 316 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: I remember how strange and insecure I felt, and also 317 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: how weird it was to feel that way inside of 318 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: playing the captain of the cheerleading squad, who's this super 319 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: overtly ballsy girl. You know, we had some really big 320 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: kisses in this episode, like monumental, game changing kisses, and 321 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: that is the stuff When people are like, how do 322 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: you weigh the good stuff and the bad stuff, I'm like, listen, 323 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: we're putting the bad stuff out there because we deserve that, um. 324 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: But that's what helps people to know for the future. 325 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: You know, we're transparent and honest. It's healing, it's informative 326 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: for others. It's great. But it's fun to watch these 327 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: episodes where we get to celebrate the big good stuff 328 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: and the Nathan and Haley just like epic kiss in 329 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: your front yard? Can you tell us about that day? 330 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: Did you know that it was going to be a 331 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: big deal that day when you were filming it. I 332 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: knew it felt like a big deal. Within that storyline. Uh, 333 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: I knew. It was like a moment that we had 334 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: kind of all been waiting for. I I don't, no, 335 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I did certainly didn't know they 336 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: were going to put that switch Foot song with it, 337 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: which was that was A Walk to Remember had just 338 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: come out too, I think the time. So there was 339 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: that other that switch Foot song. I don't know if 340 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: it was in that, if that same song was in 341 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: um A Walk to Remember, or if it was a 342 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: different one of their songs, but they were a huge 343 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: band at the time, and so to get that song 344 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: put at that moment, it was such a big deal. Um, 345 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: such a big deal and and uh I was kind 346 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: of nervous and um because I hadn't had a lot 347 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: of on screen kisses. Um what I've seen the beautiful 348 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: video that was cut together on Twitter Joy. It's my 349 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: favorite thing ever when fans that was just with him, 350 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: though I hadn't had a lot except other with with 351 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: Paul Anthony Stewart, my co star on Guiding Light. You 352 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: were so sexy in all of those bakeout scenes that 353 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: you did with that other dude. And I remember watched 354 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: it like how old were we wouldn't that happen? But 355 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: what's kind of great? It is like your kiss with 356 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Nathan is so different from Peyton's interaction with him, which 357 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: is so fun to watch as a viewer, like, oh, 358 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: there he is, you know you bring out the hymn. 359 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: It was the It was a great way for him 360 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: to redeem himself after at you know, awful moment at 361 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: the table. They had this really sweet night and his 362 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: his you know bad the bad part of his character 363 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: kicked in and he betrayed her and denied that they 364 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: were on a date and and she left And I 365 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: love that it. That was a really vulnerable move for him. 366 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't like I'm just gonna like I'm a big 367 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: tough guys like. It wasn't an ego move like I'll 368 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: kiss her and then I'll win her over. It was 369 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: like a genuine what else could I possibly do? How 370 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: can I let this girl know how much I like her? 371 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: And he just went for it. Um, big big deal. 372 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: We all cheered. It was such a great feeling as 373 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: I have such a crush on Nathan and Haley. It's 374 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: just really fun to watch. Did you have a kiss 375 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: in real life like that? You guys did you ever 376 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: have one that you knew was like did it? Yeah? Yeah, 377 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: that's just dad age. Yeah it's interesting too. You know, 378 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: we were talking about this as we were watching all this, 379 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: like this hero moment for Nathan and Haley and this 380 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: boy kind of having to find his integrity, and then 381 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: we had this kind of aha moment where we were like, 382 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute. For years we basically were told that, 383 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: like Brooke and Peyton were fighting over weekas and you 384 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: guys going back to watch it, the throwers are sitting 385 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: here going, oh, I'm sorry, this boy is playing these 386 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: two girls. Let's talk about integrity for a moment. But 387 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: I didn't see you at the time, which is also 388 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: such a statement about like how we tell stories to girls. 389 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like he is flirting and being sweet 390 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: and cute and opening up his feelings with both of 391 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: them in the It's I was. To his credit, he 392 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: is so good at being like the charming listener and 393 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: the one that tells you you're special. Those are dangerous boys, 394 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: the ones that can say, like, girl, you're so special, right, 395 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: and like ten girls. I mean, look, I want to 396 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: I want to make room for the fact that he's 397 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: a teenage boy. To this character and he you know, 398 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: he's also going to be confused and who do I like? 399 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: And I like messy this girl and this about that girl, 400 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: and I own that's reality. It is complicated, man. I 401 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: just realized that again. The narrative always became like what 402 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: these girls fighting over this boy, and it's like, actually, 403 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: this boy was like fully he was uncle showing up 404 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: for both of these needed to pick a lane. When 405 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: I was in high school, so when I was in 406 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: high school senior year, my girlfriend, my best friend, and 407 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: I were dating these college boys two years older than us, 408 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: and it's like the summer before senior year and we're 409 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: feeling so cool and the boys were also best friends, 410 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: and they got together and decided they wanted to switch. 411 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: So my boyfriend pulled her aside, and her boyfriend was like, hey, 412 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: can I am, Can I talk to you during my 413 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: lunch break at work? And she's like, go go. You 414 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: know he's not calling me as often, Go talk to him. 415 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, of course, I'll go be 416 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: your ambassador. And this son of a bitch decided to 417 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: be like, I think that we've made a mistake, and 418 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: they tried to do a switch a row and so 419 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: I totally buy boy teenage boys being just like dumb 420 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: and messy. Here's the deal. Don't date the charming boy 421 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: date mouth date mouth mouth. Oh my god. The beginning 422 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: establishment of Brooke and Mauth friendship. She's so cute and 423 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: she is like, I'm always so happy when we see 424 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: Brooke being like an actual little baby because and when 425 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: she sits down and like they joke about his nickname 426 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: and she said, well that was you know my nickname again? 427 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: And then she goes because I slept with my mouth open. 428 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: It's like so innocent and sweet. She's just a little 429 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: tadpole in that scene, just like and seeing our guys 430 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: are basketball guys on the court, see and Antoine and Cullen, 431 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: that was so cool to it was important to return 432 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: that element. It's like they got away from it. We 433 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: had like three party episodes in a row. We were 434 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: about the rich kids, and it was just like, Okay, 435 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: I get it. The element that Vaughan who played Fergie 436 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: and um Cullen and Antoine brought to it, Like it's 437 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: just so much richer when you have that duality, you know, 438 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: then being insulted that Lucas has blown them off, that 439 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: was important. Those are big feelings and I don't remember 440 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 1: what happens in the later episodes, but I hope they 441 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: really give him help for that because he's not being 442 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: a good friend. Yeah. I loved I love the reminder 443 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: that that that's where he comes from, that's where he belongs. 444 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: Those are his people, you know, and they're the ones 445 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: that are always there for him in spite of all 446 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: the new things that are happening in his life, like 447 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: his cell phone. Cell phone, cell phone. Remember that was 448 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: like a shocking thing for someone to have a cell phone. 449 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: How old were you guys when you got your first 450 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: cell phones. There was like a car phone that my 451 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: parents would put in the car, right they had to 452 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: like plug into the at like the lighter. But I 453 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: didn't get my own personal cell phone until I had 454 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: worked at MTV for like a year and a half 455 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: two years. I used to have to call into MTV 456 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: on pay phones, like in the subway, to be like, 457 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: do you guys need me to work this week? Um? 458 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: Because yeah, that was the only way I could get 459 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: a hold of people. Oh, I love that. My parents 460 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: were so paranoid once I got a driver's license. They 461 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: were like, you are getting a cell phone and it 462 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: will stay turned off in your purse and you will 463 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: turn it on if you are ever in a car 464 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: accident for emergencies only. Like it was such a thing. 465 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: And then, you know, cut to a year later, I'm 466 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: like like nine, texting people like one to h the 467 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: letters multiple over and over again. Would you that I was? 468 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: I think I was seventeen and sixty years seven, probably 469 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: seventeen when I moved out and got my apartment. Did 470 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: you had a cellphone or not just a landline? Yeah, 471 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: because I was while I was riding the bus into 472 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: the city to work, like I had my own apartment. 473 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: I was going to my senior year of high school 474 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: and kid, yeah, I would live alone, total adult, Like yeah, 475 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: pack up the house. Got crazy. My story is so crazy, 476 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, I would take the bus into Manhattan because 477 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: I had an apartment in Hackensack, New Jersey. Um, and uh, 478 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, my mom got my cell phone and it 479 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 1: was one of those that looked like a you know, 480 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: like a double It was like like the Zach Morris 481 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: from Saved by the Bell Phone. What it looked like 482 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: was this thing, you know, amazing giant recorder. Um, the 483 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: Zach Morris yeah, no, listen, my son just watched Zoo 484 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: Lander with their like talking on the little teeny tiny phones, 485 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: and just like, do you still have those moms? Do 486 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: you still have a daddy? Yeah, I've got some boxes 487 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: of old phones. Gus Morgan is here for it. Um, 488 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: how do we feel about this whole Karen leaving for 489 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: Florence so more of we can have a baby situation. 490 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: I love it so much. The and times in this 491 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: episode Italy Italy, Italy. In fact, I think Chad once 492 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: said don't go to the Italy because he said, don't 493 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: not go to the Italy because blah blah blah. I 494 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: think I think that's what I heard as Fenny, who 495 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: definitely do you think played the Italian man on the voicemail? 496 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: Because that was not an Italian person, was not an Italian. 497 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: That was someone on the crew who wait, maybe it 498 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: was Mike Leone. I was going to say it was Leone. 499 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: It was because Mike, so for everyone listening, Mike Leone 500 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: was our wonderful script supervisor. What a just lovely and 501 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: delicious him the best heart, and he was always tasked with, 502 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, if there were phone calls or anything in 503 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: a scene where the other person obviously wasn't there. He'd 504 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: have to read the dialogue on the other end of 505 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: the phone. He always played more parts on One Tree 506 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: Hill than any other human. He truly did, so I 507 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: would love to know if that was his voice. Is 508 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: it tell you a man that shift is on the phone. 509 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: He did spend a lot of time in Italy. You know, 510 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: we obviously had to get MOI were out for a 511 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: bit because she was literally about to have a baby. 512 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: And I gotta be honest, they did not do a 513 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: good job of hiding. Just didn't care. Like she's standing 514 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: there in a two shot with Craig at the airport 515 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that woman is nine months pregnant. You're 516 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: not even bothering to shoot above her. Tell me what 517 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: are you doing? Guys? As a woman, I'm okay with 518 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: this because I have not been let go from jobs 519 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: but kind of scripted out because I've been pregnant. And 520 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: it's like boys never like my husband didn't get scripted 521 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: out when I got pregnant, you know, And so as 522 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: a woman, I love that they were just like, she's pregnant, 523 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: what do you want us to do? You know, you're 524 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: gonna tell a story here, closures, everybody, just suspend your 525 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: imagination for a minute. You'll be fine. Part of me, 526 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think like loving camera work so much. 527 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm just like, come on, guys, you could have you 528 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: could have started study camp shot over again. But I 529 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: will say I love to your point. I love the 530 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: fact that they were like, oh, no, will cater to her. 531 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: We will allow her to have her version of it 532 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: all in this moment, because it is such a strange 533 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: thing that that, um, so many women get kind of 534 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: pushed aside or treated like they're an inconvenience when they're 535 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: having families and and you know there if they have 536 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: male partners, they never do. And so part of me 537 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: loved that, And then there's a part of me that's like, 538 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: wait a second, So we we wrote her out for 539 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: a while so she could go like have her baby 540 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: in her maternity leave. I sure hope she was paying 541 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: or play because she deserved to, you know, have that. 542 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. Everyone. We have news. Hi, We're doing 543 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: a virtual event in September in honor of One Tree. 544 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: Everyone in the O t h VM knows it's our 545 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: favorite day and this event is also going to benefit 546 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: one of our favorite groups, US Ladies are raising money 547 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: for kind campaign because they do incredible work in schools 548 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: to end bullying and honestly, our Tree Hill High School 549 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: needed that. Yes, Ma, Yes, So there is a lot 550 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: of information forthcoming, but check out looped live dot com. 551 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: They have everything right there and more info will be 552 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: added soon. So we can't wait to see you guys 553 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: want th h day. Well, so this this is a 554 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: full circle story. So you know, by the time I 555 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: had George, I was real tender about pregnancy because I'd 556 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: had so many miscarriages and so the show I was 557 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: working on with was Lethal Weapon and they were you know, 558 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: they're great. We got a body double for me um 559 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: when I was pregnant with her, but then it was 560 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: like you can't do stunts, and then traveling back and 561 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: forth across the country probably isn't the best idea, So like, 562 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: why don't you sit this one out, Burton, Um. But 563 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: claim Crawford, who was the lead on that show, was 564 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: taking such good care of me and when I worked 565 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: with him, we recognize on the very first day we 566 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: worked together that we had very similar training in like 567 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: how you behave on set, who you talked to, who 568 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: you defend who you take care of crew friendly and 569 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: I'm looking at him, I'm like, what have you worked on? 570 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: Who do we know that's the same And he's like, 571 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: you know Jojo, And I was like, you better. But 572 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: so Jojo was our hairdresser on One Tree Hill. I 573 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: want to know how many young actors went through the 574 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: JoJo's school of set adiguet because we realized that we 575 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: had the same hairdresser in common and she had groomed 576 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: us to you know, beat team players and to get 577 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: down and dirty and move your own cast chair and 578 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um. But as we got 579 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: to talking, he's like, you know, I almost did your 580 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: show once. I was like, shut up, really, who did 581 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: you almost play? And he's like there was this date 582 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: rapist that was supposed to attack your character And I'm like, 583 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: what he was supposed to play? Gabe in this episode? 584 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: They flew him out to Wilmington's. He had, yes, they 585 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: flew him out. He went through all the fittings, he 586 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: did all the things, and there was something about either 587 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: like hair or a goatee or like a like a 588 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: thing that he needed for another job that our show, 589 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: our show wanted him to be totally clean shaven, and 590 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: I think he had a longside burns or something. They 591 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: were so obsessed with hair, and they like he's sitting 592 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: there in a hotel room and they're like, all right, 593 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: well you're done and they they were like, you have 594 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,479 Speaker 1: to make this decision. Either you do what we say 595 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: or you're done here. And is not that kind of 596 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: guy that's like okay, you know. He was like, all right, 597 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: you guys, I don't care, and he went on his 598 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: mary way. And so they brought in Mike Irwin to 599 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: play Gabe, who I think is a great choice because 600 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: he does come off as like, um, not predatory. He's 601 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: like he looks safe. It's a surprise when he turns. 602 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: You don't expect it from him. And both of the 603 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: boys who played like Peyton's predators on this show, um, 604 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: Matt Barr and Mike they were both like lovely behind 605 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: the scenes, like so so so sweet and so it's 606 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: hard when you see someone that's so lovable, you know, 607 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: get vilified. Um, but I love the claim like finally 608 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: admitted He's like I was supposed to tackle you, and 609 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm really glad I didn't, because like, isn't weird circle. 610 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,800 Speaker 1: But I do want to go back to the kiss 611 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: between Keith and Karen says yes. Also, they did such 612 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: a good job teasing us because when they start talking 613 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: and she says, you know, you told me I had 614 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: good instincts, and and he and you think they're going 615 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: to talk about admitting their in love with each other, 616 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: and then he says, you go first, and she says, 617 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to Italy. I mean, we all had our 618 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: hands over our mouths, like no, no, no, teller. And 619 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: so then when it comes back around at the airport, 620 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: my card, the payoff is delicious. I can't figure out 621 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: if Karen's like working with him, like is she toy 622 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: because because he has said I love you and and 623 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: so she knows, like I mean, I guess I'm just 624 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: trying to figure out is she trying to get him 625 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: to say it sober? Like? Is it like because she 626 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: keeps leaning in in these conversations, you know, And I'm like, girl, 627 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: you know how he feels. What are you doing? Because 628 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: but think about it, Okay, think about it. You're in 629 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: a situation but that you've loved for so long in 630 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: so many ways, and now you are having romantic feelings 631 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: for is piss drunk and tells you that he loves you. 632 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: We wake up the next morning, are you you're not 633 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: going to bring It's like you're too We're above bringing 634 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: it up. I'm not going to not No, I'm not 635 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: going to bring that up. Oh hey, bro, remember that 636 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: time you tell me I was awesome? True? Now? Ye? So? 637 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: And because if if it was just drunk, if he 638 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: if he meant it, if it was just because he 639 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: was feeling it in the moment, like she deserves more 640 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: than that. She deserves more than a drunken I love you. 641 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: And so I think she was coaxing and hoping that 642 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: it would, you know, come back out, but not, She's 643 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: just she deserves better than having to bring Do you 644 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: think she's trying to get him to say, like, don't 645 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: go to Italy, like stay here because that I guess 646 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: that's the conversation that really threw me because she I 647 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: know what she's trying to tease out of him, but 648 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why. Then when he's like you go first, 649 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: She's like, Okay, I'm going to talk to you about 650 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: my ambitions. I think she was planning on talking to 651 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: him about Italy the whole time. I too, because let's 652 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: be honest, as an ambitious woman, what you want is 653 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: to say you told me something and it's what I want, 654 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: But I'm not going to put my dream on hold 655 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: for it. So I'm gonna go do this thing I've 656 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: been dreaming about doing it. Are you going to be 657 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 1: You're waiting for me when I get back. Interesting, that's 658 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: what she wants, right is is for him to to 659 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: mean it long enough for her to go and and 660 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: have this thing for herself as an individual. I think 661 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: that's why she kisses him right before she goes, because 662 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: she's like, I'm going to give you something to think 663 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: about for the next six weeks. But you too, maybe 664 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: laugh so hard. And when we watched it, kids, you're like, 665 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: she kisses to go stand in line, like like big 666 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: epic kiss, and then turns around and takes like four 667 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: steps and then it's like, well, I'll just be over 668 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: here through security the camera, you know whatever. They ended 669 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: up because they put the camera on a track so 670 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: you could tell that the way they pulled away from 671 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,720 Speaker 1: Craig's face that they were trying to create the illusion 672 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: of her walking away looking over her shoulder and him 673 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: or whatever. So I mean, I think they tried to 674 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: fix it, but I just don't understand why they didn't 675 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: just remove the extras and just have her Just why 676 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,919 Speaker 1: why don't know one fix that? Like did you control that? Yeah, 677 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: we controlled that. Why didn't anybody fix it? It's so weird. Yeah, 678 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: sometimes but by the way, like goodbyes at airports are that, 679 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna put all my 680 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: shoes in my like do dads and right now while 681 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 1: you stand right there, Yeah, I'm still here. I'm still 682 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: in line. By Okay, I'm still here. Say a thirty 683 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: seven times somebody, you know at the grocery store when 684 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: you at the beginning of the trip and then you know, 685 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: you pass every ice cream, love that men, chocolate chip, 686 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,959 Speaker 1: Sunday bacon, huh where we go? Hey? What I liked 687 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: in this episode that um I started to clock in 688 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 1: the last episode is that the interactions between the kids 689 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 1: are starting to take on like a different weight because 690 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: the adults are watching so like the whole thing with 691 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: Nathan and Haley outside of the cafe, even though we 692 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: don't see them in that scene, it feels like more 693 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: because Karen and Keith just gave Haley the like oh, 694 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: wink wink inside, like who you mean out there? You know, 695 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: Like it just feels like the adults are having fun 696 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: watching the kids navigate um. But it also that pressure 697 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: I have felt that in real life of like, oh 698 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: my good, you know, I have to explain this to 699 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: my parents when I get home. It gives what you're 700 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: doing a certain air of accountability because you're gonna get 701 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: asked about it later. I like that, and it's just 702 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: so charming to see them be like, oh, you guys, 703 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: Oh you're going on a date like cute? Great with Danson, Awesome. 704 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't have picked better for you. Great. This was 705 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: also a great episode for music, not just the Switchfoot song, 706 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: but the song at the end, because there was It 707 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: was the first time at least I remember as we've 708 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: been watching this really seeing music worked into the edit 709 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: that it was very specifically, you know, the slow mo 710 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: that that they did with Peyton and Brooke at the end, 711 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: and lucas Um and the big kiss with Nathan and Haley. 712 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: It felt very like it was the beginning of really 713 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: understanding our tone as a show, being so centered around 714 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: the emotion that is evoked by music. I feel like 715 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: we discovered it in this episode. Yeah, music becomes a 716 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: character in this episode and remains one through the rest 717 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: of the show. It's weird to be how music became 718 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: like a much bigger because it wasn't and you know, 719 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: the pilot, like, you know, we had cool songs, but 720 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: we all got really involved with MTV right and and 721 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: Laguna Beach started airing, and you kind of started to 722 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: get this really strong music influence in our genre in particular, 723 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: And so you know, Peyton pivoted entirely from being an 724 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,280 Speaker 1: artist to all of a sudden being obsessed with music. 725 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: You know, Joy went for being tutor girl to being 726 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: a musician. You know. So we just we leaned in 727 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: so hard to it because we saw how successful it 728 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: was and how much the fans they like that way 729 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: more than they like my color and books, you know, 730 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 1: play another Oh gosh, and being in the CD store 731 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: Tombs and that's that's seen standing in the CD store 732 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: likes Sam Goody and Tower Records. Did you guys have 733 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: Waxy Maxie in your town? Oh? That was our Yeah, 734 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: that was our Virginia thing. We had a Waxy Maxie 735 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: that was dope. Yeah, I remember, like flirting with dudes 736 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: over the racks of c d s and being like, yeah, 737 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: oh yeah, um my biggest bully in high school who 738 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: I had such a crush on, Like, he was so 739 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: mean to me and I loved him. He owns a 740 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: record store back home, and my girlfriends are like, you 741 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: can't go, And I'm like, but what if he's nice 742 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: to me this time? And they're like, he will never 743 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: be nice to you. But it makes total sense that 744 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: he owns a record store. You're like, that's when did it? 745 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: He was so brutal. There was the coolest record shop 746 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: in Chicago that I used to go into all the 747 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: time called Shugar Sugar Records, and the guy who owns 748 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: it is so lovely in him and his wife have 749 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: rescue dogs, and we became like dog friends. And then 750 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: he would save great presses of records that would come 751 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: in for me. Those are friends to have, good friends 752 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: to have. Man, all right, Um, so we need to 753 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: address the deb of it all before we get into 754 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: our superlatives, ladies. Deb makes this very grand offer to Karen, 755 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: which we all were like trying to sort out while 756 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: we were watching it. You know, I think you know, 757 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: we went from being a roofied to this like big, huge, grandiose, 758 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, generous thing. So, yeah, we ran the game 759 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: at this episode. I don't know, how do you feel 760 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: about that? Again? I think it's a bit of a device, 761 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: like in the way that Brooke had to be a 762 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: monster in episode seven to drive the drama. I think 763 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, Moira is leaving because she's having a baby. 764 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: So but the cafe is a very central place for 765 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: us as a location, and they're like, well, this would 766 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: be chronic cool of deb you know, did her her 767 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: karmic retribution. Oh my god, it's actually hitting me in 768 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,720 Speaker 1: this moment. Brooks whole thing is about fixing her karma, 769 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: and deb interestingly is like paying that kind of a 770 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: karmic debt with Karen and talks about how she didn't 771 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 1: know about Karen then but she knows now and Karen 772 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: had been cheated from so much in life she deserved this. Yeah, 773 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: what a beautiful, graceful thing to do. I mean, And 774 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 1: that is so that is so consistent with who we've 775 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: come to know and love about Debt, or come to 776 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,000 Speaker 1: know her as and love about her that she takes 777 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 1: the high road and um that she leads by example, 778 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: and is willing to sacrifice her time and in order 779 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: to bridge a gap that has been a huge chasm 780 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: in her family and in her community as well. It's 781 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: a really incredible, self sacrificial, gracious thing to do. I'm 782 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: I'm so impressed by her in this name. And what's 783 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: hitting me now is last episode she had the ultimate 784 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: clap back with all the you know, rude basketball moms 785 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: by putting all the Karen's goods out at the party 786 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: and telling them that they all came from Karen's Cafe 787 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: and sort of snapping back at that judgment. And now 788 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: she's just going to go and do this thing. It 789 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: really is lovely the way they're having this, this unlikely 790 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: friendship and the foreshadowing, which I know wasn't planned then, 791 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 1: but it gave me so it put me so squarely 792 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: in my feelings, Joy thinking about you and I ending 793 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 1: this series as two women standing in that same window 794 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:53,799 Speaker 1: in that cafe having built a life together, and like 795 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,359 Speaker 1: in that moment looking at like I was like, oh 796 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,240 Speaker 1: my god, broken, Haley, do that like these unlikely friends. 797 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: It's it's so yeah, we got some really special. Yeah, 798 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,800 Speaker 1: it's really special. Is there anything in the actual Karen's 799 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: cafe space right now do we know? I don't know. 800 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna find out for us, sleuthy friends, can you 801 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: tell us what's what's going on in our what's there? 802 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: What's there? We need to know? Let's spend the wheel, girls, 803 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: come on, do it most likely to? Oh, there's some 804 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:42,919 Speaker 1: good ones popping up. Hold on. A couple of weeks ago, 805 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: it was who was most likely to get lost in 806 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: the woods? Yeah, and this one who's most likely to 807 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:55,839 Speaker 1: get lost in their own neighborhood? I mean characters? Let's 808 00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: think about the character? Yes, I mean yeah, absolutely, that 809 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: sweet girl. Um, we need to have Bevin on because 810 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: can't wait. Even though she's not like talking in the episodes, yet, 811 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: Bevin was there for all, like every party ever. Bevin's there. Yeah, 812 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: Bevin's character, I would say, get lost in the woods. 813 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: She's pretty shark character character. Yeah. Well it's hard because 814 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: they share a name. Yeah, but so, yes, Bevin the character, 815 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: not Bevin the person who of our cast would get 816 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: lost in their own neighborhood. Why do I want to say? 817 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: James a bad sense of direction? He lived in that 818 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: neighborhood where like all the houses look the same I 819 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: could never make it to James's house. Guys, it might 820 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: be me, It might be me. Listen. There was a 821 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: night when Jeff and I first started dating where he 822 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: was all jazz to get off work early and go 823 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: to this restaurant, and I was like, know where it is? 824 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: I know where it is. We drove for an hour 825 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: and a half and I'm like, I'm like, it's on 826 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: Wyoming Street. It's on Wyoming And he got so it 827 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: was like the first time he had to not get 828 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,879 Speaker 1: frustrated with me. It was our first like lovers, I'm 829 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,439 Speaker 1: not frustrated. Yeah yeah, and he he did this day, 830 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: still teases me anytime we get lost, He's like, is 831 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:31,240 Speaker 1: it on Wyoming? And like a detail about you? Yeah? 832 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean this is when they made iPhones, right, Can 833 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: anybody can map anymore? My Thomas Guide is still somewhere. 834 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've got that in a box. Yeah. Not 835 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: not that that's a shock to anyone. Would you like 836 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: a you won't need a map to find us next week? 837 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: We'll be right here. Oh my god, Joy, you just 838 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: came in with such a dad joke. That was fabulous. 839 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,880 Speaker 1: You can always count on me Dowd jokes. Oh God, 840 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 1: we love you all. I love you girls, and love 841 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 1: you so we'll see you back for episode nine next week. 842 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: With arms outstretched. I wonder what happens on that one. 843 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out that's not that creed song 844 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:29,719 Speaker 1: isn't No, that's all right. We'll see you all next week. 845 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: Bye bye, Hey, thanks for listening. 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