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Speaker 1: Everybody.

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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, February seventeenth, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the.

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Speaker 2: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, and we're hoping not to be

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Speaker 2: cap casualties.

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Speaker 1: It's me your man, MG Markus re joined by Lakwan Jones.

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Speaker 1: Michael F.

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Speaker 2: Florio is often the great unknown somewhere. Hopefully he returns

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Speaker 2: by Thursday. But other sure, yeah, unless.

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Speaker 1: He's a cab casualty in the next couple of days. Man,

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Speaker 1: why are we starting to pot off with that type?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, should I have said we hope to get

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Speaker 2: franchise tagged?

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Speaker 1: Like? Yes? Is that better? I rather that because today

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Speaker 1: it's the day job. But you know it.

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Speaker 2: Then it is a system that is artificially limiting what

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Speaker 2: your compensation can be because owners apparently can't be trusted

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Speaker 2: to negotiate good deals amongst themselves.

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Speaker 1: The lore of this is insane, but proceed.

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Speaker 2: That is where the wich I said came from, because

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Speaker 2: they just were afraid of not being able to rein

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Speaker 2: in their own spending or afraid of athletes getting the

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Speaker 2: bag too much.

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Speaker 1: So now we got to.

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Speaker 2: Artificially limit not only your movement from one team to another,

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Speaker 2: but how much you can get paid through like an

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Speaker 2: arbitrary system of advanced math. That's what the franchise has

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Speaker 2: a small.

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Speaker 1: Number of money, though it's a pretty big bag.

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Speaker 2: It's a big bag compared to what you and I make, yes,

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Speaker 2: but compared to what some of these guys potentially could

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Speaker 2: be making on the open market. Yes, it is a

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Speaker 2: fraction of what they could be getting, because again, the

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Speaker 2: whole point of free agency and the draft is to

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Speaker 2: sort of artificially limit the compensation of the athletes because

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Speaker 2: the owners, you know, need another boat. Really, this past weekend,

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Speaker 2: now it was a President's Day weekend, but Valentine's Day

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Speaker 2: was over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I hope you and the missus Haddy good Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 1: you too, man, Yeah, yeah, we kind of just kicked

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Speaker 1: it and chill. They didn't do much for her seventeen

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Speaker 1: year anniversary in ten days, so less than ten days now,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's kind of like Valentine's Day is

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Speaker 1: just another day because it's like we have the big

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Speaker 1: one the following weeks. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you guys plan it that way, like to

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Speaker 2: get married right around Valentine's Day?

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Speaker 1: No, It's one of those things that just kind of

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Speaker 1: just happened, just happened. Well, it just worked out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get it. That's fine, that's cool. Well, congratulations in

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Speaker 1: advance on you guys. Been married longer than I've worked

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Speaker 1: at this job, and I've worked at this job a

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Speaker 1: long time. I've known her all my life. It feels

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Speaker 1: like aga in boys, seventeen years, sixteen, Valentine's Day. That's

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Speaker 1: that's a lot. Well that is awesome though, So congratulations

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Speaker 1: for real, for real.

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Speaker 2: But along those lines, we're going to talk about players

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Speaker 2: that we love, we loved, that we might love again. Basically,

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Speaker 2: it's a whole bunch of guys and how we feel

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Speaker 2: about them when it comes to fantasy in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: six and beyond. Uh So, we've got players that we

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Speaker 2: lost love for this past year, players who hurt us

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Speaker 2: but we still have love for them, and then some

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Speaker 2: of our crushes for the upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: But first, we do have some news.

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Speaker 2: A few headlines that popped up over the last few

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Speaker 2: days since we last spoke with you. Maybe the biggest one,

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Speaker 2: although not really a surprise to me, Lakwana, that's a

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Speaker 2: surprisingly to anybody. The Dolphins are releasing Tyreek Hill, the

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Speaker 2: five time All Pro who suffered a major, major leg

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Speaker 2: injury this past season. I guess the first thing is,

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Speaker 2: do you have any expectations that we see Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 2: playing professional football next year?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like when we got this news, like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you, Marcus, I was making breakfast, like

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Speaker 1: I'm scrammling the egg, said, I look over at my phone.

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Speaker 1: I get the NotI vacationally a little bit more salt,

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Speaker 1: A little bit more salt on this, you know, the

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Speaker 1: I don't think this guy is actually going to be

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Speaker 1: a nasty injury for somebody who's thirty two years old,

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Speaker 1: and I can't picture a team going out there hitting

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Speaker 1: him while he's in recovery, Like even his agent and

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Speaker 1: saying like they're eyeing for week one on what team?

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Speaker 1: Bro what season exactly? Like what season? Because when we

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Speaker 1: see this injury and then we look at what Tank

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Speaker 1: like a smaller stature in size, but similar injuries were

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Speaker 1: like this is serious, Like I don't think we see cheetah,

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Speaker 1: like we might see a smaller cat, you know, that

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Speaker 1: But I just don't know if he plays football in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. I think we're eyeing more of a

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Speaker 1: twenty seven, maybe a return to Kansas City. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe he goes to you know, the retirement homes of teams,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, when we got the news,

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Speaker 1: and like even some of my rams folks out there,

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Speaker 1: the homies out there saying, hey why not La, And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, how about no, don't waste the time,

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Speaker 1: always the money. But it's just one of those things

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Speaker 1: that Marcus, I don't see him playing football this year.

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Speaker 1: I don't either.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a real conversation that we had,

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Speaker 2: not at this moment, but down the road about what

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Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill's future is in the NFL. Like I think

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Speaker 2: when he's healthy and radio, somebody's going to sign him

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Speaker 2: and give him an opportunity. But this is a guy

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Speaker 2: whose game was primarily built on speed and to have

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Speaker 2: that kind of a severe leg injury, and again you

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Speaker 2: mentioned he is on the other side of thirty at

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Speaker 2: this point, it's hard to imagine he gets back to

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Speaker 2: being the field stretcher, the lid lifter on a defense

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Speaker 2: that he was in his prime. And if that's the case,

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Speaker 2: you know, what can we make of Tyreek Hill? Again,

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Speaker 2: I think that's well down the road once we sort

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Speaker 2: of see the progress of his recovery. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about taking away the major component of his game,

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Speaker 2: and that is naturally going to impact one, which teams

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Speaker 2: are interested in him, and then two from a fantasy perspective,

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Speaker 1: That's the entire utility belt speeds. That's it. This is

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Speaker 1: Batman without the utility belt. This is just a rich

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Speaker 2: At this point, Tyrri Hill is not exactly going up

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Speaker 2: going up over DB's to make catches. So yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: going to have to adjust his game in some kind

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Speaker 2: of way, and I think that's a conversation.

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Speaker 1: We get to see Tank Dell this season, we get

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Speaker 1: to see where he's at, if he's able to return

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Speaker 1: off of that being that both of these injuries are

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Speaker 1: very similar and very nasty. So I know, Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: the history as a football but ay, this is thirty two.

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Speaker 1: This is an injury that involves his leg, which took

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Speaker 1: away probably his superpowers. Yeah, yeah, just and again we're

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Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people, best case scenarios

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Speaker 2: that he comes back for the late part of this season,

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Speaker 2: but it almost doesn't make sense. It's almost like, just

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Speaker 2: take the year off, get healthy, and then see what

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Speaker 2: happens in twenty twenty seven. The other part of this, though,

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Speaker 2: They're pretty much just clearing salary. Bradley Chubb one of

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Speaker 2: As of now, we don't have any definitive word on

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Speaker 2: what happens with Tua Tongue of Iiloa, but the expectation

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Speaker 2: just a question of whether they trade him or if

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Speaker 2: they just outright release him, which obviously creates a huge

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Speaker 1: But with things are the way they are now, how

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Speaker 1: much of a bump are you giving Jalen Waddle is he?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is he in wide receiver too? Still?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much that's up in the air there.

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Speaker 1: I hate to talk down a while, but it all

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Speaker 1: depends who's throwing him the ball, because I don't think

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Speaker 1: he elevates a young quarterback. I don't think he elevates

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Speaker 1: that's the best that we've seen Waddle, you know, in

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Speaker 1: But this seems like a team that's gonna take this

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Speaker 1: cleaning house, making more cap they could bring in another

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. There's a couple of folks out there that

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Speaker 1: like when we start looking at some of these Dolphins

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Speaker 1: at Devon Chan, we know he's going to go very

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Speaker 1: year that I feel like I'm okay, like kind of

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Speaker 2: He definitely falls on the list of I'm gonna let

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him be someone else's problem. That's kind

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Speaker 2: of and it's one of those things where hey, man,

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe it works out, maybe they figure something out,

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Speaker 2: you know, coaching staff, quarterback, it all comes together and

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Speaker 2: Jalen Waddell ends up having a really good year. I

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Speaker 2: will I'll take the l I'll sit this one out.

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Speaker 2: I'll let somebody else sort of deal with it, and

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Speaker 2: I'll see what happens, because it just doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I have an l's list, I have an lsless of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay. I'm okay if they go off. If they don't,

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Speaker 1: they're not my problem.

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Speaker 2: That should be a segment we do sometimes the off season,

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Speaker 2: like guys willing to take the LNG.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, you want to take the ol line. I

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Speaker 1: like it. I like it for sure. I should actually

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Speaker 1: write that down before I forget, because I'll forget by

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Speaker 1: the time the show's over.

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Speaker 2: We're recording we Got It song, Wax, we got this

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Speaker 2: whole thing facts staying in Florida. The Jaguars have kind

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Speaker 2: of been hinting at this for a while, but now

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Speaker 2: the story is sort of making the round. They say

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Speaker 2: they plan to continue to use Travis Hunter as a

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Speaker 2: full time flip to cornerback again. This sort of started

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Speaker 2: and a little bit sad because I don't think we'll

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Speaker 2: it's that he plays wide receiver every week, but it's

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Speaker 2: He got an ind round that he took for like

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Speaker 1: This is redraft dynasty, folks, Big yikes, we haven't talked

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Speaker 1: Know, we we tend, of course be level headed and.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's just how it flows, because you know,

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Speaker 1: up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So calling

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Speaker 1: this show the Love Movement, which to me is an

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Speaker 1: underrated tribe called Quest album from the late nineties. Hey

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Speaker 2: You should absolutely, you know, Find Find the Way is

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Speaker 1: I believe that's the last one where five Dog was

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Speaker 1: From twenty twenty six twenty five, I should say, not

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Speaker 1: Because all summer this was going to be a movie

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Speaker 2: I was big on Romo Dudesday, but I still thought

436
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 2: there was room for DJ Moore to be productive. And

437
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 2: the first half of the season was miserable. I mean

438
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: just I'm looking weeks one through what seven, only one

439
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 2: game with more than fifty receiving yards, the one touchdown.

440
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: They were moving him to the backfield. They were doing

441
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: whatever they could to try and I guess scheme him open,

442
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 2: and even then he was not getting looks. It was

443
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: a lot of Romo Dunday in the first few weeks

444
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 2: of the season. Back half of the season we started

445
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: to see a little bit more production, but even that

446
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: was incredibly touchdown dependent. He had a couple of games

447
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 2: in the back half of the season where he had

448
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: two touchdowns apiece.

449
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: Still never never got over it.

450
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: Never had a hundred yard game as close as he

451
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: had ninety seven in week sixteen, but beyond that, it

452
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: was rare that he got you more than seventy receiving

453
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: yards in a game. The target share was not particularly great,

454
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: and it's just I think the last ding memory we

455
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: will have of him was that route against the Rams,

456
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 2: where it looked like on replay that he just sort of.

457
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: I knew it was coming up, gave up on it,

458
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: and in the rams in the beginning an interception, they

459
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: come down. They ended up winning the game. I don't

460
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: say he didn't expect it, Like, I don't think he

461
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: gave up on it. He kind of just like, yeah, game,

462
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: Oh whoa, oh, yeah that's me. That's where I'm supposed

463
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, that's But if you look at the route,

464
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: I think I don't get me wrong. It might have

465
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,239
Speaker 1: been Loveland or a doom Jay, I forget it, But

466
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 1: it did look like the ball was heading in their direction.

467
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: It just sailed over them where DJ Moore is supposed

468
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: to make the play, which he definitely would have got.

469
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: He definitely would have put the nail on the coffin.

470
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: Maybe it just it doesn't help that he just was

471
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: it last year, two years ago when when he was

472
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: pouting on the sideline. So like that play doesn't help

473
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: you beat the allegations, you know, And so who knows

474
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: what happens with DJ Moore. I've seen his name show

475
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: up in all kinds of trade rumors, people suggesting the

476
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 2: Bears are going to move on from DJ Moore and

477
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: First off, a lot of the proposed landing spots don't

478
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: necessarily excite me. I've seen the Raiders, seen the Steelers.

479
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: Just stay in Chicago and figure it out. Like I

480
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: hate I hate moving him though, Like I hate moving

481
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: him because you're taking an actual weapon from KLA. Like

482
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: I understand Luther Burden, I understand Love One, like these

483
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: are still young guys developing, but DJ More can still

484
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: play good football man. Like we've seen flashes. I just

485
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: think emotionally he may be checked out, but I don't

486
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: get it. You're paid, bro, You're the wide receiver one.

487
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: He's he's on my list of l's. He's he's one

488
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: of them for this year. Right, he's going the styles. Yeah,

489
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it.

490
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: I you know somebody else wants to take that shot,

491
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: then godspeed. I mean fifty catches for less than seven

492
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: hundred yards and six touchdowns, five of those six touchdowns

493
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 2: coming within a compacted space within about five or six games.

494
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

495
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: I was like, touchdowns are fickle beasts. And if that

496
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: was the thing that was even kind of keeping him afloat,

497
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: I am not. I'm just not banking on it again

498
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: next year. So even though I took him in the

499
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 2: later rounds, like I don't think I spent a ton

500
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: in draft capital just because I.

501
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: Think everybody was on Romo Dunesday like me. I was.

502
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: But even still, there's are just not worth the headache.

503
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: It was that he's not giving me enough. He's that

504
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: that another world if he's not giving me enough to

505
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 2: put in my lineup every week. But he's not bad enough.

506
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: But I'm just cutting him and putting him on the way.

507
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: Round exactly because I painted this picture at least going

508
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: to the season, that he was going to have that

509
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: Jameson Williams role, right like where he's going to have

510
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: the explosive routes the end of rounds, and we kind

511
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: of did see some of that. We saw him lined

512
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: up in the backfield, which was cute. He ain't debo,

513
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 1: but it's like they want to get the ball in

514
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: his hands because we know what he can do after

515
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: to catch, and I feel like, keep them, don't ship

516
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: him somewhere else, because again, a player like him is

517
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: just gonna emotionally check out, check out, and then we

518
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: get bad product out there.

519
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you know, we'll see whether he stays

520
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: in Chicago if you go somewhere else. Either way, I'm

521
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: going to just stand back and sort of watch as

522
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: everybody else evaluates and drafts DJ Moore and I'm gonna

523
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: to set this one out in twenty twenty six.

524
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: So I get me too, passing me by the far side.

525
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: Classic about basically players who did not return our love,

526
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: but we're not ready to give up on them, right,

527
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: my dear, my dear, my dear. You do not know me,

528
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: but I know you very well.

529
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 2: Like these are the guys that we had expectations for.

530
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: It didn't quite work out, but we're not ready to

531
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: just give up on them just yet.

532
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: So who who's the player that you are still in

533
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: on despite a bad twenty twenty five I gotta say it,

534
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: It's not all scary Terry's fault, right, Like the off

535
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: season was a mess. I mean it was just weird.

536
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: They had a weird, you know, yoga standoff between him

537
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: and the camp commanders and like trying to figure out

538
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: his health. Is he healthy? Is he not? I mean again,

539
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: he only played three games with Jayden Dais, which is

540
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: wild when you really go back and look at that,

541
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: and it's like this was just one of those seasons

542
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: that he felt pain, I felt pain. We both were wrong.

543
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: Let's just chalk it up. It's all good. You text me, hey,

544
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: big head, I'm up. I will answer like, that's just

545
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: how I feel about Terry McLaurin, and like next year

546
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: he may drop a couple of rounds, you know. I mean, look,

547
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin in a fourth round still feels good to

548
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: me because he's a wide receiver one for his team.

549
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: But I'm looking more of him as a wide receiver too.

550
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: I would love to slap him as my two, you know,

551
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: for the rest of his fantasy career. I think that's

552
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: kind of where he is now.

553
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: You know, I think we have seen that he has

554
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver one ceiling, but that is the absolute ceiling,

555
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: and even then it's sort of lower end wide receiver one.

556
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: But he's a song. He's that guy that you know.

557
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: If I decide I'm gonna go wide receiver, wide receiver,

558
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: and I come around the turn and I get him

559
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: early to mid second round, I feel great. I feel

560
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: absolutely great about that. Not a problem at all. I

561
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: think it's also sort of goes back to the whole

562
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels working under Center conversation like, if we're freaked

563
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: out about it, then you're probably gonna be a little

564
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: lower on McLaurin. If you're like, eh, not a big deal,

565
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: then I think I think you're willing to maybe you

566
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: reach a little bit and take McLaurin, hoping he's healthy.

567
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: That makes sense. I understand that, uh mine, And this

568
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: is not this is not intended to be a shot

569
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: at you. It's Ladi mcconki oh boy, Like I still believe.

570
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: In Ladi mcconkieh. Again, this is right now, not knowing

571
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: what the wide receiver room in Los Angeles is going

572
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: to look like. Although I do think Keenan Allen, who

573
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: by the way, was just swatting everything left and right

574
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: at the Celebrity All Star Game in Inglewood. At the

575
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: NBA All Star Game this past weekend, I turned, I

576
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: walked in the house, my wife was watching it. I

577
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: sat down, and like, in five minutes I saw Keenan

578
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: Allen just reject two different shots. Now mind you the

579
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: people he was.

580
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he was like celebrities that were like you know,

581
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: they like probably five six and like so keen now

582
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: was just like swatting them away.

583
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, he has a second career, second contract right.

584
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: Just show up at the level, All Star Basketball Games

585
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: and all out, all out. I would be surprised if

586
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: he comes back for another year. I think if you're

587
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: the Chargers, you know you've got lad You've got Trey

588
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: Harris that you want to start working in.

589
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: We started to see him more the end of last season.

590
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 2: You've got Arondez Gadst and you know you hopefully have

591
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: a healthy O Marian Hampton. You've you've changed offensive coordinators

592
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: with Mike McDaniel now coming in to take over the

593
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: play calling there. I think Ladd goes back to being

594
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: the top target in the Charger offense this year.

595
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that he gets He's not.

596
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: Gonna get those one hundred and thirty targets. He's not

597
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: going to be that kind of guy. But I still

598
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: think ninety five to one hundred targets is still in

599
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: the offing for Ladd McConkey. I think if there's no

600
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, it allows him to move back to the

601
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: slot where he was very effective in his first year.

602
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: As well. You put Trey Harris out wide, you have

603
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Gadston running those tight end routes. I think there's something there,

604
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: and I think Mike McDaniel is a guy who can

605
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: scheme this thing up and come up with something creative.

606
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, I admit that Lad was not

607
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: what I hoped he would be this year. I thought,

608
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, they spread the ball around quite a bit.

609
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: Also, it didn't help that the Chargers basically had to

610
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: hold a lottery to get five guys to play offensive

611
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: line by the end of the season.

612
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: If that is better, if those guys are healthy, right, You're.

613
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: Gonna get Joe Old back, You're gonna get Ray Shawn

614
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: Slater back. That's gonna go a long way, and that

615
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: hopefully helps the passing game a little bit. So I

616
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: think there's gonna be a discount. I hope there's gonna

617
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: be a discount on Lad McConkie, and I'm willing to

618
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: take that discount because I think he's gonna have a

619
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: rebound year this year.

620
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, I'm your boy, all right. This

621
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: feels like when your homie goes back to the X

622
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: when it's like, bro again, why dude, you are pretty sill.

623
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't his fault the last time around. Like hen

624
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: thing's gonna change this year, it's gonna be better there.

625
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: It is the word change. They always think they're gonna change,

626
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: which ends up being the same thing. Look, I'm not

627
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: out on Lad. So I hear you of having interest

628
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: with Mike McDaniel now, but you already went off and

629
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: said he's not gonna have one hundred and thirty targets.

630
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 1: He's not gonna have that high target share he had

631
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: his rookie year. So you're already showing like there's still

632
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: some red flags, but we'll be good.

633
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, So if it came, I mean, I

634
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: guess I know the answer, right, But like Terry McLaurin

635
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: versus Lad mconkey, I think they can give.

636
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: You similar similar outcomes. Yeah, I like that. Actually, yeah,

637
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm going Terry over Lad. If

638
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: it's the fourth round, I'm going Terry over Lad. Uh.

639
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Probably because I'm thinking, I mean, there's there's less target

640
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: competition for Terry than there is for Lad as of now, yea,

641
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: as of now. You know who knows where Deebo Samuel's

642
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: gonna be or what his role is going to be

643
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: in the new offense. You know, zach Ertz is I

644
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: mean done?

645
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's you know, so there's not as much target

646
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: competition for Terry McLaurin as there will be for Lad McConkie.

647
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: So maybe, but I still be okay with Ladd as

648
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: my wide receiver. I'm still oka like wide receiver too.

649
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: I am wide receiver too.

650
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Listen again, I'm not completely out on it. I

651
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: just don't want to dive into that again. Like, I

652
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: know the talent's there, but I'm not sure if we

653
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: get wide receiver one product out of him, because I

654
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: know everybody this summer are going to pull Lad up.

655
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: His ADP is going to be well beyond or where

656
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: Terry Mclawren's going to be. Me and you both know

657
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: this because if he comes out of the draft as

658
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: a winner, they don't add anybody, and then it ends

659
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: up with just being Trey Harris, Quentin Johnston and Rondez

660
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: gask And then it's like, Okay, well, Lad is the

661
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: obvious alpha there. But I'm just trying to think, like

662
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: Mike Mdane's gonna spread this offense out. You already know

663
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: you probably have an idea of who will be the

664
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: blonde bandit this year. That's a little sneak peak, right,

665
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: there who I'll be crowning as the blonde hair Trophy.

666
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: But I just feel like Lad to me is just

667
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: gonna disappoint again because I think a lot of people

668
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: are gonna fluff him up again.

669
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I honestly, I'm gonna keep an eye

670
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: on ADP and see where he goes. Yeah, because that

671
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: that's gonna have a lot to do with it. Like

672
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: if I can get Lad in.

673
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: The third round, third round, fourth round, I'm fine with that.

674
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: That seemed proper. You know, if you were starting to

675
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: pull up to the second round, then I probably do

676
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: have to pass on it for him.

677
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: All Right, you feel good being back with your ex.

678
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: I do it's gonna work out this time in your

679
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: head like I might have made a mistake.

680
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm fine. I'm standing by it. Like

681
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: it worked out well. Year won year two. There were

682
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: just there were circumstances.

683
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: That was all like it wouldn't it wouldn't leads fall.

684
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: There were just circumstances. So you know, some of those

685
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: circumstances are hopefully going away.

686
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Hey, so it'll be better. They got help, They got help,

687
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: they got help. That's hilarious. All right, take a break

688
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: to come back.

689
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: We're talking about our crushes for twenty twenty six. I'm

690
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: sure it won't be the last time we talk about

691
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: some of these names. There's no Michael left Florio, so

692
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: you're not gonna hear anything about Malik Willis. But here's

693
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: some names that you may hear multiple times in this offseason.

694
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: That's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

695
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: So we are going through what I'm calling the love movements.

696
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: We've talked about guys that we lost love for, guys

697
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: that were still holding on to even if last year

698
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: wasn't what we wanted it to be.

699
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: And finally, what.

700
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: You make me feel you Michael Jackson classic our crushes

701
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six, the guys that we are looking

702
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: forward to drafting when and where we can just we

703
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: want you out there to not drive the adp up.

704
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: So much so that suddenly we're maybe overpaying for that

705
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So mcgwaan, who was the first guy

706
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 1: you got a crush on for this upcoming season? All right?

707
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: First of all, Paul's I have a crush on cam

708
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: Ward and I do think a lot of people are

709
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: just overlooking him in the situation he's in Brian Dabele

710
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with this crush because again

711
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: we've seen him find success with his quarterbacks in the

712
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: first year except for Josh Allen believe it or not,

713
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: but go back to Daniane Jones his first year QB

714
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: nine seven hundred rushing yards. Not saying that's in the

715
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: cards for a cam Ward, but I'm just saying success

716
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: as a pocket passer and being able to extend plays.

717
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of tools that we can

718
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: get out of cam Ward to at least be fantasy relevant.

719
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: You look at Jackson Dart last year, he showed his

720
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: twenty Fantasy points per game in the games that he

721
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: was available. That's at least top five potential conversation right there.

722
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: So I think Brian Dable in the first year with

723
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: cam Ward, where we saw him have a strong backing

724
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: ended season where he just was showing that he can

725
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: improve and be able to escape the pocket. Because again,

726
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: this is only possible if he hits this ceiling, which

727
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to stamp on him as QB ten. The

728
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: top end QB with Brian Dable next year could be

729
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: in the cards, and this only comes down to if

730
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: they beef of that on line because him and Gino Smith,

731
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: they wore saxtown files like it was just disgusting. Not

732
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: enough time in the pocket for these plays to develop,

733
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: and elk Iron Manner leading the league would drop passes

734
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: like the drop Ray got to change. So I think

735
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: if they get you know, figured out with Calvin Ridley

736
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: as well, because he has a roster bonus trigger as

737
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: well coming up next month, so who knows if he's

738
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: on the move, if he stays. I say he stays,

739
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean he's fast, he's quick, grey hands. Just don't

740
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: make him the one. Just make him more of a

741
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: two in this situation, in this offense.

742
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to see them at at least

743
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: another pass catcher, just ye, you know, because you mentioned

744
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley who just has never it's never turned into what.

745
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: We wanted it to be. Calvin Ridley, you.

746
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: Know, I know I was an l Iomnnor guy, but

747
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: I also realized the limitations with that. Chim Ray Dka

748
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: was interesting, but I think his future is more as

749
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: a punt and kick returner then it is necessarily as

750
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. So I would like to see them

751
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: at a guy who can be not necessarily alpha. But

752
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: but something you know, to Kuy to give cam Wore

753
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: another option.

754
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: I said, Romeo Dobbs, Like I'm just here throwing his

755
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: name out there. I mean, I think, honestly, you don't

756
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: have to go out there and get the big flashy

757
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: trade of a AJ Brown type or anything like that.

758
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: I mean, just pay Romeo Dobs some money and make

759
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: him essentially your one and try to figure out what

760
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna do with Really.

761
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's interesting too, which is is a

762
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: nice lead in to my first crush for twenty twenty six.

763
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: You're talking about Romeo Dobbs, and I think the expectation

764
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: is he's leaving Green Bay. So it's Christian Watson, who

765
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 2: came back from injury and jumped right in like nothing

766
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: had happened, just immediately went to being truly the alpha,

767
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: truly the wide receiver one there in Green Bay, a

768
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: guy that we the guy that we had been sort

769
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: of looking for, right We'd spent the last couple of

770
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 2: seas trying to figure out who that guy was for the.

771
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: Packers, and we tried to make it Jayden Reid for

772
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: a while.

773
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: First it was Christian Watson, and it didn't quite work

774
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: out early. I don't think we really believe those Romeo dobbs,

775
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: but he did give some value.

776
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: Believed you believe, right.

777
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people tried to tell themselves

778
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: a story where Matthew Golden could be that guy, and

779
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: it took a while. So pretty much still the postseason

780
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: for Matthew Golden to kind of step up a little bit.

781
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not sold on that.

782
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: But Christian Watson has that look of an alpha, and

783
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: if the Packers decide they want to sort of take

784
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: the leash off of Jordan Love a little more, because

785
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: to watch Jordan Love play statistically, there's nothing about it

786
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: that you know. You look at it, you're like, man,

787
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: he put up numbers. But to watch him playing, to

788
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: watch the throws he makes, to watch him in the

789
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 2: pocket and move that offense, you're like, yeah.

790
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: I see the vision.

791
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: So why not take the leash off of him a

792
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, sort of lessen the reliance on

793
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs in that run game, let your quarterback do

794
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: things and let him and Christian Watson just cook. And

795
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 2: so I'm I'm fully in on Christian Watson this year

796
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: as the alpha there in Green band. Yeah, I know

797
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: Tuckerkraft is gonna be back, and he's certainly going to

798
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: occupy a large space in that passing game and that

799
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: target share. But man, what Watson can do after the catch,

800
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: his ability to do a little bit of everything there,

801
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: it's just he's it's like he's supercharged what we saw

802
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 2: from last season. And so I'm willing to be all

803
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 2: in on Christian Watson this year.

804
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: I hear you on that. I'm into. I just feel like,

805
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: you know this crush. I'm here to warn you they

806
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: may be unavailable. I'm unemotionally available for him sometimes as well,

807
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: I should say, I try to make the cross lap

808
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: overlap of injuries and emotion and being available in a relationship.

809
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: I see where you're going. I do think like if

810
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: he ends up as the one there essentially like is

811
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: the floor we're going to let him be the acting

812
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver one or is it's still going to be

813
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: part of the program of rotating these wide receivers. Because again,

814
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: if Dobbs leaves, I think undoubtedly Watson's your one. So

815
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: I can buy into that. If this actually pans out

816
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: and paints out to be that picture, I hope so

817
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: because I think it could really be something good.

818
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: I think if if the Packers just you know, if

819
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: Lafloor gives up that idea of we don't have a

820
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: number one wide receiver, no lean into it, man, you

821
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: you have a guy who can be that lean into

822
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: it and just too yeah, you know, let it happen,

823
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: just just ir so, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm in on

824
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: Christian Watson.

825
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: Uh. You sort of sort of hinted about the blonde Bomber, Yes,

826
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: the blonde bomber, recalling blonde Bomber coming.

827
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: You have been the young tight end whisper, even the

828
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: tightened whisper, because I guess John.

829
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: New Smith wasn't necessarily young, but you've been the tight

830
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: end whisper the last couple of years.

831
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: So are you hinting at what the what's coming for

832
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: this this offseason?

833
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: I would say my crush right now is a group

834
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: of people. This is the flavor of Love Show. It

835
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: will be the flavor of the Kwan Show at this point.

836
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: But I feel like I have many options next season

837
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: with the next rookie tight end that I'm crushing on,

838
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: because again we've seen the last couple of years, these

839
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: guys hit the ground running, Like this past season we

840
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: had three tight ends average more than ten Fantasy points game.

841
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: That's fantasy relevance in that department of that position. That's great,

842
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then you look at

843
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: the last three seasons we had five and look at

844
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: brock Bauers, Sam l Porter. They hit the ground running

845
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: like this is where I'm like, hey, the next batch

846
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: of rookies that are coming out, I'm going to be

847
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: doing some deep dives. I'm going to be looking at

848
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: them more is like where do they fit perfectly at?

849
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: Because again February twenty eight, twenty twenty five, I said,

850
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: harrow fan and Junior will be a top five tight

851
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: end without even knowing the team he's at, just based

852
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: off of pure skill. I'm going to stamp that as

853
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: a badge of like, hey, if I can find a guy,

854
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: if I can look at some of these prospects that

855
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: are coming up and like say, hey, this is the

856
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: guy that is going to be my crush for twenty

857
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: twenty six, I think it's interesting. And you know, somebody

858
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: who is smarter.

859
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: Than me about these sort of things, I would love

860
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: to see a deep dive into what it is about

861
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: tight ends where now we're seeing more and more guys

862
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: be productive sooner, because now we've seen it several years

863
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: in a row. Where you know, we've seen the laporters,

864
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: we've seen brock Bauers, we've seen you know, to an extent,

865
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: you know, Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland, we've seen those Harold

866
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: Finn and we've seen these guys come in and be

867
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: impact players very quickly.

868
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: Where you know, I mean you know this.

869
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: For years, it was always you can't count on rookie

870
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: tight ends in fantasy. They just have too much of

871
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: a learning curve. My my immediate knee jerk reaction is

872
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: because the tight end position has become specialized, where now

873
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: you've got, you know, as they say, the tight end,

874
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: the route running, pass catching tight end versus the inline

875
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: blocker tight end, where once upon a time that was

876
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: the same guy. So you had a whole lot more

877
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: to learn. Now teams are starting to specialize, so you

878
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: do one or the other. And if you are the

879
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: past catching type of tight end, it's like, hey, man,

880
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: just learn your route tree, you know, learn the playbook,

881
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: learn your route tree.

882
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: And go. And so we're not asking you to be

883
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: as much a part of the running game or as

884
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: much a part of past protection as you might have

885
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: been ten years ago. So I think that's part of

886
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: why you're seeing some of these guys be It also

887
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 1: helps that like Brock Bauers is just an incredibly talented dude.

888
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's made in the lab. I mean honestly

889
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: being down, you know, in San Francisco, not down, but

890
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: up in San Francisco in media row. I saw him

891
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: in person. I'm like, Yo, this is a dude. God,

892
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: this is a massive human. I see why you are

893
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: the elites of the elites at the position. But yeah, man,

894
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: I do hope that these next thatch or rookie tight

895
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: ends come out hitting the ground running, because there's a

896
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: few like I mean, Elijah Stower from Vanderbilt. I've been

897
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: looking at him, Joe Royer and from Cincinnati. These are

898
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: guys that are just kind of in the middle. They're

899
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: not your number one or number two top tight end prospects,

900
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: but neither was Harrow fannin junior. So I'm starting to

901
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: look beyond the first two or first three prospects that

902
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: are in the fancy streets in the echo chamber.

903
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be gonna be interesting because again, that's

904
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 2: a position that, while it's not deep, we've been able

905
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: to find.

906
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 1: Some gems across the board. So I think that's gonna

907
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: be one that it's gonna be worth kind of kind

908
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: of looking at I.

909
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: Guess we'll keep the tight end theme going, and it's

910
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: Colston Loveland.

911
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: And hey, maybe maybe I'm a prisoner of the moment, right,

912
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: maybe I am.

913
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: Maybe this is recency biased with the way the season

914
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: finished for him.

915
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: But last year I said going into the you know, the.

916
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: NFL Draft, that Tyler Warren was the guy I liked

917
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: until the moment Ben Johnson took Colston Loveland first.

918
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: And not that I didn't, I drafted Tyler Warren.

919
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: Still in a lot of places, but gotcha, Ben Johnson

920
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: making that move was like, okay, so what does he know?

921
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: And because I was all in on the Bears offense

922
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: and Ben Johnson going over there, I was.

923
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: Like, all right, great.

924
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: And it took a while, in part because Lovelin was

925
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: not healthy to start the season, and it did take

926
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: a little bit of a learning curve to get up

927
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: to speed, but by the midpoint of the year he

928
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: started to figure.

929
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: Some things out.

930
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: And so now you know, Some of this goes back

931
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: to what happens to DJ Moore. Does he stay in Chicago?

932
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: Does he move on somewhere else? You know, what is

933
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: the future for Luther Burden. I know there's already there's

934
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: already conversation about whether the Luther Burden hype train is

935
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 2: rolling out.

936
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: Of control right now. It's folks, it is February and

937
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: it is rolling already. It is hot. I'm okay.

938
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I I'm not rady to buy anyway.

939
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't mind Luther Burton.

940
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm not ready to just fully commit

941
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: to the Luther Burton hype train.

942
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that is in the back of the

943
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 1: long line to buy the ticket. And if the line

944
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: is too long, I'm using like line, Yeah, there's some

945
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: one coming. I'll just go away for the next one.

946
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: So I'm good. He might go on to L's list.

947
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: He's not there yet. But this hype is crazy right now.

948
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: If I gotta call it uber, I'll do that. It's fine.

949
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: We'll take a lot. But colest of Loveland, I am

950
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 1: in on. And I told you guys, uh last week

951
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: about the mock draft. I was in right.

952
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: I took him in the third round, and the the

953
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: response was one of two things, either like, damn it,

954
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: I wish I had reached and gotten.

955
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: Him there, or hell no, there's no way.

956
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: I was going to take him in that I actually

957
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: say him the fourth round. So third pick of the

958
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: fourth round. It was either that I should have gotten

959
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: him there or there's zero chance on taking him there.

960
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: There was no one between. There was no like, I

961
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: guess it's okay.

962
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: It was either like yes or hell no. So I'm

963
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: on the I'm on the yes side of things. I think, yeah,

964
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: you know again, it's it's simplic it's simplistic to make

965
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: the one to one comparison with the Bears offense versus

966
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: the old Lions offense. But I'm gonna be simplest right

967
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: now and tell you that a Sam Laporta, you know,

968
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: like season, that first Sam Laporta year, I think it's

969
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: I think it's possible for Colston Loveland in twenty twenty six,

970
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 2: and so you know, McBride, Bowers, those are your first

971
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: two guys off the board. I'm I took Colston Lovelin

972
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: as tight end three in the fourth round.

973
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: At this point, I do it again.

974
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think everybody else comes with question

975
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: marks though, right everybody else he has some question right,

976
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: Harold Fanning, Yeah, we love him.

977
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: What's the offense going to be there in Cleveland? George Kettle?

978
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: We know is hurt, it's going to be out for

979
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: an extended period of time. Is Troy's Travis Kelcey coming back?

980
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: And if so, what's he going to be in that offense?

981
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: You know, like Sam Laport, I think he's going to

982
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: move up the boards, but I think last year, the

983
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: last couple of years, it means people are going to

984
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: necessarily reach for him.

985
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions to tight end.

986
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: So I'm at least right now in mid February, willing

987
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 2: to plant that flag with Colston Lovelin.

988
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: Is my tight end three in one of the early rounds.

989
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: Now that you iron it out, it does feel like

990
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: it's a safe bet because there's still questions about Pits,

991
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: is he franchise tag, is Panic's going to be good?

992
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of questions at tight answer. I

993
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: It just sounds disgusting saying it, but it just feels like, Okay,

994
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: it makes sense, you know, like that that's aggressive but

995
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: a I mean after McBride and Bowers. There is a

996
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: ton of question marks after that.

997
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: I mean, I will you know again, it's it's February, right,

998
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: and we'll all do more.

999
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: Mock drafts and things will start to settle. Like when

1000
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: free agency hits and.

1001
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: Guys move around, that's going to shuffle some things around too.

1002
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe maybe it doesn't feel quite

1003
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: as great in April and May, but for now, like

1004
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: I feel okay with it with you know what, bonus

1005
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: bonus segment. Toxic relationship. I have a toxic relationship, oh,

1006
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: with Javonte Sanders in Carolina, the tight end, and I

1007
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to be unlocked this year. So

1008
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: it's a toxic relationship that I can not let him go.

1009
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: So you're you're into Gertavian Sanders, Huh, you're in there. Yeah,

1010
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he stays healthy or THEO Johnson. These are

1011
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: all toxic relationships of tight ends that just cannot stay healthy.

1012
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: THEO Johnson man, I don't know how many times I

1013
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: tried to shoehorn him into the sleeper's column. This past

1014
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: feel like the new He's the new IRV Smith. Remember

1015
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: IRV Smith. I was still ready. I had the hashtag

1016
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: ready to let IRV swerve.

1017
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna steal just carpet bomb the world with that,

1018
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: and and IRV never swerved.

1019
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: It never happened. It feels like theo's on that path.

1020
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: But see, we'll see, we'll see, you know, we'll see

1021
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: if Brian Dable can can make it work in New

1022
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: York there, right, and we'll see, we'll see not Brian Dable, Yeah,

1023
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: John Harbo, I mean I'm flashing back to old old

1024
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Giants coaches past. Uh you know what I meant either way? Uh,

1025
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: there you go. That's that is the love movement for

1026
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six and beyond guys that you know and

1027
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: how we feel about them heading into next year, You're

1028
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: gonna be on the move. You're gonna be on the

1029
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: road later this week, right, Yes, I would be in

1030
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: New Orleans as of tomorrow and for the HBCU Legacy Bowl,

1031
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try to get some content down there.

1032
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: There's some players that are really catching my eye after

1033
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: doing some research and hearing some of their stories. I

1034
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: like Gerrod Washington lest need are you listening Gerrod Washington corner,

1035
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: please please look at him up from South Carolina State

1036
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: I do think there's gonna be a lot of players

1037
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: that are going to be showing up. You know that.

1038
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to meet in person and see them play.

1039
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they'll be definitely a lot of fun. So

1040
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna be down there tomorrow. You know,

1041
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: we'll check in, we'll get some some updates from you

1042
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: about what you're saying. Surely a lot of fun, for sure.

1043
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: So hopefully Floride again has wandered out of the wilderness

1044
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: and we'll be back with us on Thursday. Otherwise, I

1045
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: don't know, we'll figure out something to do for this show,

1046
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: but in the meantime, that'll do it for this edition

1047
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 2: of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. A happy, safe, and healthy,

1048
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: do good and live well, be good, safe and everything

1049
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: all that wherever you are, and we'll talk to you

1050
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: again on Thursday.