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Speaker 2: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 4: I can't get.

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Speaker 5: Enough of him.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear that both. I believe there are a couple

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Speaker 3: of absolutely self involved bullshit artists.

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Speaker 2: Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Oh, let us do this. Let us do this, sous

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Speaker 4: It's so good to be to be with Ken Flow.

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Speaker 4: It's good to see you. It's Monday, September twenty seventh,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, Episode three eighteen of the Aneik and

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Speaker 4: Florian Podcast. The pay per view recaps are fun when

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Speaker 4: the cards aren't good, right, fun when the cards aren't good.

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Speaker 4: International Fight Week twenty twenty one is done. I don't

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Speaker 4: like telling some people that I'm sapped because it registers

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Speaker 4: as a complaint. But I have done a lot of talking,

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Speaker 4: but I got about it an hour for you today,

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Speaker 4: Ken flow Man UFC two sixty six. What a great

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Speaker 4: way to cap a memorable week there in Vegas, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Hell of a.

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Speaker 5: Card, you know, And I always say this, but anytime

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Speaker 5: the fights are better, it makes our job so much

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Speaker 5: easier and so much more exciting. That card delivered and

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Speaker 5: so much more. What an amazing nightmare.

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Speaker 4: All right, So it'll be mostly meat and potatoes today

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Speaker 4: because we could probably do a quarter of an hour

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Speaker 4: on Alexander Volkanovski. So let's start with headlines and that

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Speaker 4: main event between Volco and Brian Ortega as Alexander Volkonowsky

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Speaker 4: retains the title, second successful title defense for him. What

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Speaker 4: a fighter, man, What a fighter?

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 4: Came into the fight as one of the best pound

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Speaker 4: for pound fighters in the sport with nineteen consecutive wins,

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Speaker 4: wins over the all time greats at featherweight, and as

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Speaker 4: I said off the top of the pay per view,

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Speaker 4: the question beck and you know, how would he do

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Speaker 4: on this stage with a new challenge, with a lot

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Speaker 4: pay per view. And it's one of the better title

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Speaker 4: fights I've ever seen. And that doesn't mean it was

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Speaker 4: a close fight necessarily, but this fight had it all

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Speaker 4: ken flow and now I'm just gonna shut the fuck

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Speaker 4: up and let you talk. Yeah, it absolutely did. Man.

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Speaker 5: You know, Volkanovsky has been one of those guys. He's

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Speaker 5: both in a division that hasn't gotten a whole lot

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Speaker 5: of tension, and he's the kind of champion that hasn't

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Speaker 5: gotten a lot of attention. He tends to let his

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Speaker 5: fighting do his talking. He did a little bit more

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Speaker 5: leading up to this fight, of course, you know, with

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Speaker 5: the rivalry with Ortega, I think coming off the ultimate

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Speaker 5: in which he did just made him a superstar he

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Speaker 5: should be anyway. Yeah, And if you were an idiot

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Speaker 5: before and didn't know that he was tough, this absolutely

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Speaker 5: confirmed that.

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Speaker 4: I thought that he had too much for Ortega on

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Speaker 5: That's what we had, you know, kind of spoken about,

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Speaker 5: with his best submissions, he still couldn't get it done.

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Speaker 5: Bolkanowsky did his homework, he proved his toughness, he showed

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Speaker 5: he was the more technical guy out there, and he

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Speaker 5: right now period.

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Speaker 4: You put it excellently, and I do believe he takes

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Speaker 4: that star power to the next level. He was very

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Speaker 4: recent coaches have Kenny in terms of his demeanor on

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Speaker 4: fight night. You know, I've often said to this audience,

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Speaker 4: least nervous guy on the roster. You know, he's just

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Speaker 5: John, One of my concerns heading into this fight was

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Speaker 4: That was a concern for me.

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Speaker 5: When you put that in the context of this fight,

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Speaker 5: and the fact that he still delivered this kind of performance,

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Speaker 5: it makes it that much more impressive. This is a

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Speaker 5: guy who knows how to compete. He knows how to

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Speaker 5: compete when the lights are shining brightest as well, and

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Speaker 5: he was just too much for Ortega. I know, we'll

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Speaker 5: get into Ortega and you know how I felt felt

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Speaker 5: about this fight, But for Volkanovsky, he's just firing at

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Speaker 5: all cylinders, man, just a perfect timing all the way around.

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Speaker 4: A tremendous performance. Man. So I told Ray Longo over

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Speaker 4: the phone I had to call and wake him after

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Speaker 4: the post show. By the way, I told him we

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Speaker 4: wanted him off the top of the show. He said

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Speaker 4: eleven thirty was better than eleven am Eastern. But as

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Speaker 4: I understand it, Ray long Go is answered the call

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Speaker 4: twenty minutes early and might even give us forty five

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Speaker 4: minutes here today. So anytime you want to put Ray

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Speaker 4: long Go on camera, provided he's framed up, you can

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Speaker 4: certainly do that. It's now time for the Ray Longo Minutes.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna points a hole.

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Speaker 3: In this spid. That's what I want, is the Ray

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Speaker 3: Longo Minute Story Ray long.

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Speaker 2: The John Annik and Kenny Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Oh there, Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, Oh, We're gonna do

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Speaker 3: a lot of framastic, a lot of lighting today. Kenny,

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Speaker 3: be a whole today.

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Speaker 4: My man, this is a celebration or a coronation. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: frame yourself up so you look nice and good in

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Speaker 4: the middle of the screen.

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Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: You know a lot of people want to want it clean. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: a little bit more Raymond, a little bit. Everybody loves Raymond.

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Speaker 7: Just a little bit more and there you go a

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Speaker 7: little bit more.

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Speaker 3: Look at this. Who else would I'd rather see on

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Speaker 3: a Monday morning than YouTube.

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Speaker 5: I'd walk too fire to get to this podcast.

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Speaker 4: Right right, when they draw blood from Morob Dwallers, Willie,

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Speaker 4: what comes out?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 4: What comes?

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Speaker 3: It's not red? I can tell you that.

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, all right, Well, it's great to have you

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Speaker 4: with us, Absolutely great. We have a lot to celebrate today.

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Speaker 4: And do you what time you got to be out

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Speaker 3: Oh? I'm here for what? First of all, I'm just

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Speaker 3: happy after last week that I finally got a W

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Speaker 3: after all these years. Yeah, I mean right, you want

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Speaker 3: to bring up some of the law. Just what do

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Speaker 3: show like that. I'm gonna high. I'm gonna high right now.

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Speaker 4: A W without your guy fainting injury?

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, exactly.

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Speaker 4: I'm just told you know, you know what side of

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Speaker 4: that I fall. Of course, I'm just Cody's ready to

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Speaker 4: kill me right now?

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Speaker 4: So all right, So we were talking about Alexander Volkanovsky

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Speaker 4: in this title fight. So after Morob's win, by the way,

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Speaker 4: I mean, do you do you go back to your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because once you leave the hotel, then you have to.

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Speaker 3: I got it.

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Speaker 4: Really, he's still dealing with the effects of RONO.

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Speaker 3: So if you can't leave the hotel unless you go

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, that's right. No, I got construction. I mean,

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Speaker 4: a great show for the audio file, all right, So

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Speaker 4: Alexander Volkanovsky over Brian Orteig. I want to spend a

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Speaker 5: Your thoughts absolutely, you know, working with one of the

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Speaker 5: So he clearly did his homework. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 5: going to prepare for Brian Ortega, you prepare for a

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Speaker 5: they call him t city, So he was clear We

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Speaker 5: an answer for their best moves, and clearly Bolkonovsky had

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Speaker 5: for sure he was using his technical ability to get

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Speaker 5: you got to open up the knot. That's what opened

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Speaker 5: up the triangle. He stayed relaxed with his neck. He

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Speaker 5: was pushing on the hips on the guillotine. This guy

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Speaker 5: was extremely well coached, extremely well prepared, and I feel like,

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Speaker 5: you know, this was one of those fights where he's

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Speaker 5: think about the confidence that he's going to build coming

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Speaker 3: Oh, Kenny, My question would be with the toughness though

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Speaker 3: Now, really, I mean, you can't be proud of than

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Speaker 3: the guy hits like a mule. I mean, you where

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00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 3: Morob was when they asked him if there was a

436
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 3: game plan. I mean, the game plan was definitely gonna

437
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 3: wear him out, like in any make him scramble, hold

438
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 3: him against the cage, like I don't when he said

439
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 3: there was no game plan, I'm not saying that. It's

440
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 3: like I'm not saying it's like a big game plan

441
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: like you know, move your head this way, or you know,

442
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,239
Speaker 3: avoid that or this or that. But uh, I mean

443
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 3: the game we knew exactly what we were getting into.

444
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 4: But you know what the.

445
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 3: Last week, Kenny, I was like, you know, look at

446
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 3: Henry Shudo, He's like one hundred and twenty five pounded man,

447
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 3: but he absorbed his punishment and he walked him down

448
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 3: and beat the crap out of him, you know what

449
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: I mean. Like, so, Morob, you're gonna really this is

450
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 3: I thought it was a defining fight for Morok because

451
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 3: this was by far his best opposition. And I said, look,

452
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to walk through fire to get to

453
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 3: this win. I don't think you're getting that era his style,

454
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: just you know, unless he ran across the ring and

455
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 3: just kept putting them down and putting them down, you know.

456
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: But uh, and then the day before the fight, he goes,

457
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 3: I will die to get the win. Like I understand,

458
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 3: Like I understand what you're telling me. And he looked

459
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: at the fights and I think he looked at the

460
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: knock that you gotta remember, he knocked out a guy

461
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 3: that morab idolizes. He loves Al Joe, you know what

462
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So that's a guy he looks up to

463
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 3: as the best in the world, and this guy he's fighting,

464
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 3: you know, knocked him out. So he had he had

465
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 3: he started really thinking about it. But that's where we

466
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 3: went with that. That's why in between rounds, I think what

467
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 3: people don't realize too in your corner and somebody, I

468
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,479
Speaker 3: know the guy eight years, you know what I mean. Like,

469
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 3: he's technically whatever we do before the fight, we do

470
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 3: before to fight. Like it's it's not like I'm just

471
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 3: going in there and screaming at the guy. I know

472
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 3: who to scream at, who not to stream at. It's

473
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 3: it's a big difference. And that was that was why

474
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 3: I said, look, you're getting you now. He had his

475
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 3: chance and we're going full steam and you got the

476
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 3: caudio to do it. And technically at the end, I

477
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: was like, he doesn't want to be on his back again.

478
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 3: Fake the takedown, take a couple of shots. It's gonna

479
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 3: give you free up for some big punches and then

480
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 3: put them down again. And you can see him asking

481
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 3: me in the corner, you want me to stand up

482
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 3: with him? No, No, I don't want you to stand

483
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,959
Speaker 3: I want you to. I just know you're gonna get

484
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 3: a couple of clean cracks because he's gonna be really

485
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 3: jumpy on the takedowns. Now that's what he thinks you're

486
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 3: gonna do. And you look, he really responded beautifully, Kenny.

487
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: He went out faked the takedown, knocked him out with

488
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: that right hand. I think he yeah, he dropped him

489
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 3: with that right hand.

490
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 4: Right That was the I felt like that was the

491
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 4: momentum shift there.

492
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 5: Even in the first round when he started to come back,

493
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 5: it seemed like he kind of was like in sparring

494
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 5: mode a little bit like, Oh, I'm gonna work on

495
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 5: my striking. Yeah, and he realized, like, wait a second,

496
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 5: I'm an MMA fighter. Once he started walking him down

497
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 5: and actually getting aggressive moving forward with punches. It put

498
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 5: Marias on the back foot and that was that's what

499
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 5: allowed him to hit those takedowns, and from there it

500
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 5: was just all Morob. It was an unbelievable performance and

501
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 5: one of the best demonstrations of heart I've ever seen.

502
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 5: Cody just you know, is writing to us here. You know,

503
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 5: there's there's some people that said I'm willing to die

504
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 5: to get the win. Ninety eight percent of those people

505
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 5: are bullshitting you. Moron absolutely is willing to go there

506
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 5: to get the win. And that's not exaggeration. The only

507
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 5: and I tweeted about this, Mariahs's biggest mistake was not

508
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 5: killing Morob out there going the plight. Literally, that's the

509
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 5: only way he was gonna win. Was making sure he

510
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 5: was unconscious because Morob was gonna fight back and claw

511
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 5: his way back to victory.

512
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 4: And he thought a motivated Marlon Mede Like I'm not

513
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: saying he fought yeah, prime but ice per se, but

514
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 4: he felt close to the best version Ray right. He

515
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 4: had was too motivated. And if you don't know, Marlon

516
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 4: made a former. He won a major title WSOF bantamweight Championship,

517
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 4: won like a million fights in a row. You know,

518
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 4: came into the UFC essentially as a number one contender,

519
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 4: has I think twice as many pro fights as Morob,

520
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: all on a huge stage. You know, this is a huge,

521
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 4: huge win for your guy, for your team. And again,

522
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 4: we can talk about this as much as you want, Kenny,

523
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,959
Speaker 4: I want to ask you this. So, if I'm Domina

524
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: Cruz watching this fight, right, and I watched the referee,

525
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 4: and y'all know, I love the no nonsense Keith Peterson,

526
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: but I got to know, like it is right, I

527
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 4: love Keith Peterson, the United State Athletic Commission is using him, right.

528
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 4: I came to his defense in the Cruse situation. But

529
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 4: if I'm Domina Cruz watching this fight, Kenny, I see

530
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: a referee whose style has certainly evolved from that mistake

531
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 4: he made on that faithful night in Jacksonville when it

532
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 4: was a title fight and Dominic Crue didn't get any

533
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 4: kind of leash, right, Morob was given a great opportunity

534
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 4: to stay in this fight, and certainly Marlon, but I

535
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 4: seemed to get knocked out and then brought back to

536
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 4: by a punch.

537
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 3: You know.

538
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: So if I'm Dominica Cruz Kenny, I'm just being candid

539
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 4: with you, and I'm watching that like I'm pissed, you know,

540
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 4: And he has every right.

541
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 5: I mean, that was a fight where obviously both men

542
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 5: were hurt, looked like both men were going out, both

543
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 5: men were allowed to get back into that fight. I

544
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 5: think there's a lot more to it, though, it's looking

545
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 5: at how the fighter is responding during those moments.

546
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: Morob was hurt, but Morob was consciously kind.

547
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 5: Of making themselves some space, Like he knew he was hurt,

548
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 5: but he was like running to give himself space and

549
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 5: time to recollect himself. And then when he was on

550
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 5: the ground, it's like he was moving. He was consciously

551
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 5: moving to try to get better position to get up.

552
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: Body language is huge, and I'm not saying that wasn't

553
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 5: the case with Domina Cruz. But I think when you're

554
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 5: seeing that and you're seeing that fast paced fight, it

555
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 5: could be really easy to make a harsh decision. But

556
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 5: when things are happening really quickly and you're seeing both

557
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 5: men really kind of even though they're hurt, they're making

558
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 5: decisions out there, they're consciously doing things of what they're

559
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 5: supposed to, defending themselves, giving them some time. I'm in space,

560
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 5: it was the right call there. But yeah, if I'm

561
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 5: if I'm dominant Cruz, I'm watching that fight, go, What

562
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 5: the hell?

563
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 4: Tom didn't text me back, right, So he doesn't even care.

564
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: He's training for a fight in December. He has a

565
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: date now, December eleven.

566
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: He doesn't know why. Well, and that's the right thing

567
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: to do. You can't control, you can only control.

568
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 4: He doesn't give a shit. I'm just saying. But I'm saying,

569
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: like in one breath, it's great to see a referee

570
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 4: sort of evolve, And maybe Keith would take great issue

571
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 4: with me saying this is an evolution that he stands

572
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: by that stoppage and this fight should have continued. I'm

573
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 4: just telling you, Morob got knocked down four times, and

574
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 4: to me, Marlon Marice should have been saved some punishment. Yeah,

575
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. Like you told me, Morob was fine.

576
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: I take you at your word, you know, and largely

577
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 4: I agree with that. I thought, Marlin, at one point

578
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 4: I would see you bring.

579
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: You're bringing up an interesting point. Let me let me

580
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 3: frame it like this because and obviously I'm just let

581
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: me I'm biased one hundred thousand percent, but I had

582
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: Morob winning that first round and just to think that

583
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: he didn't win that round. Now I'm saying, this is

584
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: a great case for judging, I think, because this is

585
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: trick right. But here's my point, Because you could talk

586
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 3: damage blah blah blah, this and that, who when that

587
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: bell sounded? Who was in worse shape.

588
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: At the end of that first round? That's not how

589
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: you score the round?

590
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: Why not it's damaged? No?

591
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, what do you phrase it that way?

592
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 3: You want to tell me more damage? But he was

593
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: in worse shape at the end of the round.

594
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. No, I guess that's fair. I don't.

595
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: I guess you're trying to how do you quantify the

596
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 4: damage from the knock out? Kenny? What you think about

597
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 4: all that. I'm looking for the scorecards Anny.

598
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: Who was in worse shape when that bell ended? And absolutely,

599
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: and that's the right point, right, Kenny. If the answer

600
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: is Maria's how to fuck? Do you make a point

601
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: that Morob was hurt more.

602
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 4: Store cards? Yeah, one of the three judges gave Morob

603
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: the first round, so Tony Weeks nine and the other

604
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: two had it for uh for Marlin, which I think is.

605
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: Tody Cody Tony Weeks his shirt right now? Yeah, those

606
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: other two guys.

607
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: I'm actually Kenny, would you be okay? See my biggest

608
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: issue is that a judge can't write a ten ten

609
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: right because they're so like caution from doing so be

610
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: okay with ten nine on both sides of that round.

611
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 4: I would, And I'll tell you why.

612
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 5: Okay, before Marob came back, it was a ten eight round, right,

613
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: I mean it was a ten eight round for sure,

614
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 5: So that was one of me.

615
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: But then at the end.

616
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 5: When Morob came back, it looked like he was gonna

617
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 5: have Mariah's out, So again that mma is it really is?

618
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: And and Ray brings up a good point.

619
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 5: If you're coming out of a round and it looks

620
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 5: like you could barely get into that second round.

621
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: Did you win the round?

622
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, how in the world can you win

623
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: that round? They're dragging you back to your corner. Oh yeah,

624
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: you're the winner. You got that round, buddy. Let's go

625
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: out and get round thembell.

626
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: Hey, the bottom line, it matters, not right, so verdict. Mma.

627
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 4: You know how much I love the Global scorecard. Historically

628
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: great round here in the Global scorecard, nine point seventy

629
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: four from an ice nine point three to nine from

630
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 4: a rob plus point three five. It doesn't matter. Ray

631
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: Right obviously got the finish, but at the ten nine.

632
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 4: Nice for me, man, I'm score that's ten nine magic

633
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 4: Marlin rights with the four knockdowns. Get all.

634
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: Remind me, Remind me Kenny to inform the commission. He

635
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: could never judge one of my fights.

636
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: But man, I'm just so happy for you. I hope

637
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: I didn't wake you, But literally all I think about

638
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: when I'm doing that post show is get back to

639
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: my hotel room to call you, Like I couldn't stop laughing.

640
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: What I call you?

641
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: Kenny? He calls me, and I'm watching him talk about

642
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: the fight on the post show. The exact time, I

643
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: was like this crazy, you know, but uh what it

644
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: just oh man, and you know what, let me just

645
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: say a couple of things. Man, it was great to

646
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: have Matt back in the corner. I'm glad, you know,

647
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: you know, like not that I could talk him into it,

648
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: but I'm just glad he came back because I don't

649
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: want to be there with anybody else but him. I mean,

650
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: it's a really weird thing. It's a team effort. It's

651
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: not just me, not just a minute's and and you know,

652
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: the other thing just was weighing heavy on me. Man.

653
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: You know, even for al Jo's last fight, I'm with

654
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: three guys I basically never did anything with It's not

655
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: that's not the way I do. I just that's not me.

656
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's me and Matt, you know what

657
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: I mean. And that that that's the way it goes.

658
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: And you know, like you come, you sign up at

659
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: you know, Sarah Lango to fight. That's what that's who

660
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: you got. That's that's part of the deal. You get

661
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: us in the corner. And without that, what the fuck

662
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 3: you even doing that? I mean, I don't even know.

663
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: So I'm just promo for me, please as a Sarah

664
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 4: Longo promo, because we did talk a lot about that

665
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: on the phone, and that really rings true with me,

666
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: and Kenny can speak to this right just in terms

667
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 4: of in terms of the cornering dynamic and what everybody

668
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: respectfully brings to the table. I get it, man, I

669
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: get it, and I'm glad he ended his boycott and

670
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: yeah he's nfl if you want to end yours, you know.

671
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: But but on you know, on the flip side of that,

672
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: it means I have to travel with him again, which

673
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: is just fucking so well. You know, look, I really

674
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: I watched the look I watched Mac grow up, right,

675
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: you know, at thirty I'd walked into his hotel room

676
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: before fight, see comic books on his day, Go what

677
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: are you doing with the comic books? Like maybe dubbing

678
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: him in the draw, But now I watched them really cool,

679
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: And now he plays virtual reality while we're in the room.

680
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: So he went from comic books to video. I mean,

681
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, is this the guy he's fifty years old?

682
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: Is it me?

683
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: No, No, fifty. I'm just disappointed. I never got to

684
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 4: cross his wake on this trip and shake his hand,

685
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 4: maybe put something in the air. Hey, can we get

686
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: to down too, we get to ship Chako.

687
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: There was a lot in the air you missed out on.

688
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: So Valentina Chipchenko. Kenny will start with you on this

689
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: six consecutive UFC flyweight title defenses. I don't know if

690
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: we should spend a lot of time on the fight

691
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: or the future or what. But not what Lauren Murphy

692
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 4: was looking for in terms of this championship opportunity. I

693
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 4: thought she would have done more with it, not necessarily

694
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: in terms of her having success in the fight, but

695
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: just maybe taking a few more risks. I love Lauren

696
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: and Joe Murphy. I'm sure it was hard for them

697
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: to listen back to some of our criticisms, but there

698
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: is just a huge gap right now. Even when you

699
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 4: talk about an improving Caitlyn Chukegian and Jojo Calderwood, who

700
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 4: has yet to get a title thought, this gap at

701
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: flyway feels particularly big here on a Monday morning, Kent Flow.

702
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 5: You know, I'll say this, listen, I think that, you know,

703
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 5: could Lauren have been more aggressive?

704
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Does she have the weapons to be able to

705
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: do it?

706
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: Though?

707
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: I don't think so, you know, and this wasn't a

708
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: doul So what do it mean?

709
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 5: And knock get finished. She's got well, she's got to

710
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: do something. I think that you know, for her, her

711
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 5: not knowing how to approach someone like Valentina Chefchenko was

712
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: the reason. She just didn't have the skills to be

713
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 5: able to go out and do it, even if she

714
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 5: wanted to be aggressive, you know, and Chef Chenkill is

715
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 5: just so good at measuring range where she I thought

716
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 5: chef Chenko could have been more aggressive. I mean, are

717
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 5: you telling me that you know she's a big counter striker.

718
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: He tells me that she wasn't capable of offensively bringing

719
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 5: the fight to Lauren Murphy herself. I know she's a

720
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: counter striker, but why didn't she just go out there?

721
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 5: She's she had her out gunn just go out there

722
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: and take her out like and so I thought, you know,

723
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 5: as tough as Lauren Murphy is skill wise, she didn't

724
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 5: have what I thought was going to be a big

725
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 5: challenge for Chipchenko. And Chefchenko was a little bit more

726
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 5: conservative out there. It's not really her style to kind

727
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 5: of move forward and bring it. She takes a little

728
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 5: while to get warmed up. But she's just that much

729
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 5: better than everyone out there.

730
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: Man.

731
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 5: She just is she doesn't have many challenges that remain

732
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 5: for her. She doesn't take much damage. Even against people

733
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 5: who come from grappling backgrounds, she's out grappling them. I mean,

734
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: she's she's an excellent champion, and uh, it's gonna be

735
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 5: tough for the UFC to to find some serious challenges

736
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 5: for her.

737
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: Ray, I have so much to say on this. What

738
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: were your thoughts on the comin event?

739
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I look, that girl is as close to

740
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 3: a female James Bond as you're gonna get, man, I

741
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: mean she is, she's she's an assassin. That is not

742
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 3: an easy test for anybody. And I you know, I

743
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: like love Laura Murphy and her husband. We spent some time,

744
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: you know, you know, at the weigh ins and all

745
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: that stuff together, but uh, this is a this is

746
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: a different beast.

747
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 4: Man.

748
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, like you're saying the gap, I don't

749
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: see anybody Kayln. Kaylin's good man, she's been in the gym,

750
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 3: you know, and this girl seems to just like yeah,

751
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I'm agreeing with everything you're

752
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: say in the gap.

753
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: Well, let me get to a few men notes.

754
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 3: That is just too big. But I mean first off,

755
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: to deal with her. If you're going to fight her,

756
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: you shouldn't even be sparring females. That's the first thing.

757
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: You got to get one hundred and thirty five pound guys,

758
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: twenty five pound guys that I do it.

759
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: And Yes's faring partner was a guy.

760
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I mean you you have, but it's

761
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: gotta be yeah, it's got to be right, man. This

762
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: is not that girl's good man. And I don't see

763
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: anybody beating her for a long time.

764
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: All right, So a few of my notes, I just

765
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 4: want to spit some of these things at you, Kenny.

766
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: I just have a lot of thoughts on this fight.

767
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 4: So we said on the post fight show, you know,

768
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: George Saint Pierre, the New England Patriots, dominant champions like

769
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: Valentina Chefchenko can be great for sport, and her fan

770
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 4: base is huge. Like I do think she is great

771
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 4: for sport, but I don't think this championship fight is

772
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 4: necessarily great for sport. You know, like there was a

773
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: time when Valentino was you know, dominating Hawley home a

774
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 4: look what she did against Juliana Penya in a main event.

775
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 4: You know, these were close fights on paper up ten pounds,

776
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 4: Like I don't even think chef Chenko's learning in her

777
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 4: fights anymore. Like Laura Murphy didn't have a singular moment

778
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 4: in this fight, So I don't think that's necessarily good

779
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 4: for sport.

780
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 5: I agree, But I mean, who's to blame here? I mean,

781
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 5: first of all, and the UFC is in a tough spot.

782
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: They have to make a fight. But if you were

783
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 5: to say, and again, I don't want to make this about,

784
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 5: you know, criticizing Lauren Murphy because she's she's as tough

785
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 5: as they come. But at the same time, like if

786
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 5: you're out there and be like Laura Murphy has a

787
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 5: chance to submit Valentina, I can't say that, Hey, Laura

788
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 5: Murphy's got some serious power. She could knock out Valentina.

789
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: She has that one shot knocking that's not gonna happen.

790
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 5: She's gonna overwhelm them with combinations, that's not gonna happen.

791
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: She's gonna out wrestle her, that's not really gonna happen.

792
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 5: So again, for me, it was just she didn't have

793
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 5: the weapons out there period. And and you got Valentina's

794
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 5: gotta fight someone. Lauren was next in line. They don't

795
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 5: have people. That's just the fact. Valentina just doesn't have

796
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 5: any challenges. Man, She's destroyed them all and she will

797
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 5: destroy them all.

798
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 4: Like if you're a whale in Vegas, do you consider

799
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to win ten thousand?

800
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: You know, I mean retro respectively. It certainly looks like

801
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: free money. So in terms of Chef Chevchenko moving forward,

802
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 4: did I just fucking stutter three times?

803
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: Christ shit, don't cut that?

804
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 4: Will cut that?

805
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: Please?

806
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: I'll lose my job creation drugs that we've been doing

807
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: since we got off here.

808
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: I'm lost. Today.

809
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: Valentina Chevchenko fought Juliana Penya in a main event in

810
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: Kansas City, I believe and destroyed her. Right, Juliana Penya

811
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: is one of the best women on the roster. She's

812
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: going to fight a man of new ness for the belt,

813
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: and you can be sure that that fight is closer

814
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: than this one in terms of the betting line. It

815
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: may not be a close fight, you know, but Amanda

816
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: Noonz like better show well when she has to be

817
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 4: in shape to make thirty five. But you can be

818
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: sure Amanda noon is better put in close to the

819
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 4: training camp of a lifetime or Juliana Penny is going

820
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: to put up a real fight, you know, like at

821
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: least noonez in these fights, right, And so when you

822
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 4: talk about a trilogy between Valentina and Amanda, or talk

823
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: about a flyweight emerging that we're not thinking of, that

824
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: seems like a shorter conversation than the trilogy one. You

825
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: need two things for the trilogy, right. You need Amanda

826
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 4: Neonz to have a willingness up to nil in the

827
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: series to give Valentina the fight, knowing how close the

828
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 4: second one was. And you also have to have Valentina's

829
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: desire to not just be a nineteen time flyway champion

830
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 4: and move up. And then of course it'd be a

831
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: big enough money fight for the UFC to make it

832
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: worth probably Amanda as well. You know, So what do

833
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: you do, Ken Flow? I mean, do you just try

834
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: to find the next Joe Joe Calderwood on a one

835
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: or two fight winning streak or do you what do

836
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 4: you do?

837
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 5: Ken Flor I don't know, That's the thing I do

838
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 5: not know. There's just not a whole lot of challengers

839
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 5: out there. I think, yeah, you kind of you put

840
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 5: some fights together, you see, who can kind of come

841
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 5: out of the picture and impress. But as far as

842
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: skills of giving someone a chance either because they're an

843
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 5: unbelievable striker or a grappler, that's really dangerous. Yeah, I

844
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 5: can't identify one in that division.

845
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 4: I mean, look what the number one contender, Jessica Andrage

846
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: just did the fifth rank Cynthia Calvio, right, and you

847
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: look at what Valentina did to her right man, you know, unbelievable.

848
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. That's the tricky part though, but you know,

849
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: it goes to show you how good Valentina is though,

850
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: that she's in there with Nonez who's just a fricking killer,

851
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: and that fight was close, and she thinks she won,

852
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: the other one thinks she won. You know, that's how

853
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: good Valentina is going at thirty five, you know what

854
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 3: I mean, not even a proper weight cliss, she's a

855
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: problem at twenty five. I don't want anything close.

856
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: I also wonder what the UFC is And excuse me

857
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 4: for interrupting you. Internal metrics would say about how big

858
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 4: a Sheep Shanko Nena's trilogy fight would be. I think

859
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: it would be big. I don't know if it would

860
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 4: be massive, but I think it would be pretty big.

861
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 4: Robbi Lawler and Nick Diaz Round three t KO for

862
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 4: Robbi Lawler. Ray will start with you on Nick Dias' return.

863
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 4: What'd you make?

864
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: And Nick?

865
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 4: What'd you make of Robbie? What'd you make of the fight?

866
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I mean, look, I'll tell you one thing

867
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: with Robbie. He did come out like the old Robbie

868
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: that we know, you know what I mean, He wasn't

869
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: the guy. I think he said it too. People were

870
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: expecting to see, you know, the guy in the list, right. Yeah, definitely,

871
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: he came out guns blazing, and you know Nick, Nick responded,

872
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: but I think he was just like a half step behind,

873
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: and you know, he's just a look. I still I'm

874
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 3: a big Nick Diaz fan, and you know, he just

875
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: looked like mentally something was bothering him. But he's just

876
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: an honest dude. I think when you ask him questions,

877
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: you get exactly what he's feeling. And to me, that's refreshing.

878
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: And I'm just happy to see that the fans still

879
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: were behind him, and you know, he did what he

880
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: had to do when he got back in there after

881
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: six years. Not bad against a guy that you know,

882
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: very very talented, so obviously not the way it went.

883
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 3: You know, wanted to go for him, but that's off

884
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: to Robbie Man. He really he brought it, and he

885
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: was consistent and he never took his foot off that

886
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: gas pedal, and I think that's what wanted to fight

887
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: Cat's Love.

888
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I think it was evident that, you know,

889
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: Nick had taken six years off from fighting. I don't

890
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 5: know a whole lot of people who would have been

891
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 5: able to do that period, you know, and it just

892
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 5: kind of connecting the dots a little bit. I know

893
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 5: Jake Shields had had mentioned something of the effect that

894
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's accurate or not, but he's

895
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 5: mentioned some of the fact that, you know, Nick only

896
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 5: had six weeks to prepare for this fight.

897
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: You know, that of course is difficult.

898
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 5: It seems like that's maybe what Nick was talking about

899
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 5: or how I don't know how this fike got put

900
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 5: together and why it got put together under these circumstances.

901
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 5: Obviously not ideal for someone coming off a six year layoff.

902
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: So yeah, listen. You know, at the end of the day,

903
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 5: it's hard to you know, say anything bad about Nick though, too,

904
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: because you know, the dude has done everything possible, you know,

905
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 5: throughout his career to put his heart and soul out

906
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 5: there in the octagon and fight his ass off, and

907
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 5: I think this was one of those situations where you know,

908
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 5: it was a little bit too much, too quickly for him. Yeah,

909
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 5: Robbi Lawler has stayed active during those six years, and

910
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 5: Robby Lawler is no joke. Nick's pace was really impressive.

911
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: I don't think the speed was there that we're used

912
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 5: to seeing, or perhaps the same accuracy, but the pace

913
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 5: that he was putting on in the fact that it

914
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: was landing shots on Robbie and actually hurting him was

915
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 5: really impressive. Those body shots were beautiful. He was throwing

916
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: more kicks in this fight. He was doing a lot

917
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 5: to go out there and get the win. It just

918
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 5: wasn't enough against Robbie. It just seemed like Nick kinda

919
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 5: ran out of gas and ran out of answers to

920
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 5: that forward pressure from Robbie Waller.

921
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you put it, well, not much I can add.

922
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 4: You know, he didn't have that look in his eye,

923
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: just in terms of the scowl, you know, I obviously

924
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 4: think he was less happy to be there than in

925
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 4: previous fights, not that he ever loves fight night per se,

926
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: but I think he knew he was up against it

927
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: in terms of the cardiovascular stuff, right, he knew that

928
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 4: if nothing else, Robby Lawler strengthened conditioning. He has left

929
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 4: no stone unturned every single training camp of late and

930
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: in all these five rounders. Kenny, to your point, right,

931
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 4: seven fights now eight, you know, since Diaz had last competed,

932
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 4: so but obviously their matchup to go ahead, right, But you.

933
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: Got to give it up to I still think let's

934
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: forget the fighting. I just it looks like he's just

935
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: evolved into just a really nicer person, even you know

936
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: when he says he you know, he's working with the

937
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: kids and he wants to represent something different. I mean

938
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: that's a that's a big that's a big deal, man.

939
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's a wild guy. And I

940
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: really think this kid has really really grown it. I

941
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: like the way you handle it after the press conference,

942
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: and I had that coming, Like he just seems like

943
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: I always loved him, but he's more likable now to

944
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: me than ever. Like, I just think he's going to

945
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: try to do the right thing in his life, you

946
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I really think that with the

947
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: he loves the teaching, and I think he's going to

948
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: give back a lot on that end and we'll see

949
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: where it takes him. But you know, he was very

950
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 3: vocal that he didn't even want to do this fight

951
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: and rematch, and I think they played into part of

952
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 3: the whole psyche of the fight.

953
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 4: To me, Kenny, did you have something to add in there?

954
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 5: Well, I was going to come off of your point

955
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 5: about the conditioning, because that's something that the Das brothers

956
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 5: have relied on, right, I mean, that's that's kind of

957
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 5: at the heart of what they do.

958
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 4: They need that conditioning.

959
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 5: They need to be able to do those try that

960
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 5: triathlon preparation in order to have and keep that high

961
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 5: pace volume.

962
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 4: So, yeah, this was a tough one.

963
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 5: I do agree with Ray also that Nick is kind

964
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 5: of at a different place in his life in his mind,

965
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 5: and you know, where he goes from here, I don't know.

966
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 5: I hope he's finding more peace. It seems like he's leaning, uh,

967
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 5: you know, towards that. You know, and Nick has talked

968
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 5: shit about me and all that stuff. But I wish

969
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 5: him the best, man. I hope he is, you know,

970
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 5: able to you know, conquer those demons and and uh,

971
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 5: you know, find peace in the martial arts. And that's

972
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 5: that's the beautiful thing about the martial arts. And he

973
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 5: has given everything possible and every single fight that he's had,

974
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 5: he's got nothing to prove. And I don't think this

975
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 5: this performance here changes uh, you know, his his legacy

976
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 5: at all.

977
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: Definitely not. And Kenny, you know what the jiu jitsu,

978
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: when you're giving guys their purple belt or their brown belt,

979
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: how how much it means to these people change lives. Yeah,

980
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: I mean it's really unbelievable because I see it that

981
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: match because obviously, you know, we don't belt anybody with

982
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 3: the standard, but probably something that should be done because

983
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: like again, it's not about uh, it's just really about

984
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: making people feel good. And if they feel good, they're

985
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 3: going to do better in every aspect of their life.

986
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, Nick spoke about it in

987
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: the like in the lead up on the countdown with

988
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: the kids, and he held to it. I thought he

989
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: handled himself like an absolute gentleman after the fight in defeat,

990
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: which has got to be hard for him. You know,

991
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 3: we already beat Robbie, uh, and he I thought he

992
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: just I do. I just there's a realness in him.

993
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm the only guy seeing it.

994
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 4: But man, An, you know, I get you.

995
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: I get bullshitted by so many fucking people on a

996
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: weekly bait. They get a guy like him, Man, I'm fucking.

997
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 4: Oh realist to the real And we should also credit

998
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: Robbie Lawler not just for the performance, but he's evolving too.

999
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 4: Right in the final beating, he said what he loves

1000
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 4: about this stage of his career, UH is giving that

1001
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: wisdom back to his teammates at SAMPA. And this was

1002
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 4: a Robbi Lawler that didn't always embrace, obviously that aspect

1003
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 4: of the sport and didn't have the experience, snore wisdom

1004
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 4: to offer maybe at times. But it's a big win

1005
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 4: obviously for Robbie Lawler sets him up for another opportunity.

1006
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: I do hope we see Nick das In in six

1007
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 4: months or so, Kenny, because I do believe he wants

1008
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 4: to fight, and there obviously fights out there. Maybe you

1009
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: pivot off of like a Moss feed all dream at

1010
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: this point and go to maybe a Matt Brown or something.

1011
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 4: But I think there are a lot of different options

1012
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 4: for UH. For Nick Daz, who was dealing with a lot.

1013
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 4: But uh, man, you know, like when I was first

1014
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 4: getting into MMA, like O five oh six, like hardcore,

1015
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: I just this was the guy, right like this with

1016
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 4: Nick Daz was the guy that I was like telling

1017
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 4: my friends to watch, like if you don't like the sport,

1018
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 4: just look at this motherfucker. You know, this was the

1019
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: fight to make you know.

1020
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 5: They matched him up beautifully against another legend in Robbie Lawler.

1021
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 5: I thought it was the right call here to me,

1022
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 5: It just you know, didn't didn't didn't pen out for him,

1023
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 5: And I think we got to give a lot of

1024
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: credit to Robbie Lawler for for dealing with that amount

1025
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 5: of volume and continuing to come forward, and he bought

1026
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: a great fight man. And Robbie it looked like Robbie

1027
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 5: really wanted to be out there. He wanted to get

1028
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 5: that one back against Nick Diaz, and to see these

1029
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 5: two legends go out there and perform like they did.

1030
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 5: I thought this was an awesome one for the hardcore

1031
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: fans who've been watching this sport for a long time.

1032
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 5: It was great to see in a great win for

1033
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: the legend Robbie Lowler.

1034
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: And two guys that really do keep it real on

1035
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: different levels, but they keep it Robbie. Yeah, you just

1036
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: listened to him to a game one seventy one eighty five.

1037
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 3: I'm ready, I trained. It doesn't matter. I mean, he's

1038
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: just got another another refreshing look at anything. He's not

1039
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: talking shit about nobody. You know, they try and draw

1040
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: them in with questions to make he just that's not me.

1041
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm not. I don't, I don't you know what I mean.

1042
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 3: He just I think he's like you said. I look,

1043
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: I met him back when we did the show in

1044
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven maybe or whatever. It was a

1045
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: great even when he was with like yous and you know,

1046
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 3: there was the confidence, you know, the confrontations Matt and

1047
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: all that. Robbie was always a great guy right from

1048
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: day one, first day I met him. And he's become

1049
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: a just a better guy. And that, you know, for me,

1050
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: because I've been around so long that I love watching that.

1051
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: I love watching guys evolve and make a contribution. And

1052
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: like he says, you know what his teammates and stuff.

1053
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: But again, listen to him talk. He keeps it simple

1054
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: and you're not gonna he's not going to engage in

1055
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: any negativity, you know what I mean? And I both

1056
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: guys great great great on different reasons.

1057
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 4: So h Kenny probably doesn't remember this, but uh Kenny

1058
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 4: was talking to Nick Diez after a UFC pay per view.

1059
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: I was like, I gotta fucking walk over. This is

1060
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 4: my chance to shake next hand. And so that was

1061
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: when I met Nick Diaz for the first time as

1062
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 4: I interrupted those two uh jiu jitsu black belts whatever

1063
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 4: they're well, all right, a few other things on UFC

1064
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 4: at two sixty six before we sting Ford to UFC

1065
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 4: Fight Night Santos versus Walker. By the way, you know

1066
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: how sometimes they'll say, oh, that win is going to

1067
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: age well, like in five years that MMA win is

1068
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: going to look even better because the guy he beat

1069
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 4: this tattoos agent pretty well, right too. All not like

1070
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 4: if you had a you get an area code tattooed

1071
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 4: on your body right representing any fighter in the UFC,

1072
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: you probably fucking go to on.

1073
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 3: Not so in hindsight, John, you got a good point.

1074
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 4: Its understood thing in my life that I got it

1075
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: in March of twenty sixteen, But it's so misunderstood for

1076
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 4: people who were in our ESPN m M a live chat.

1077
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 4: They get it right, But it's like I wanted the

1078
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 4: fucking tattoo. Okay, you know I didn't necessarily think he

1079
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 4: was going to win the fight, but and how crazy

1080
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: was that stat? Two hundred and nine months since they last?

1081
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: Not when you when.

1082
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: You get in a five to one six to honor

1083
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 3: me on your.

1084
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 4: I mean, is that it, Joe? I mean like there's

1085
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 4: not enough money again. Give me a briefcase of one

1086
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars and I will not get a New

1087
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: York area code tattooed.

1088
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 5: How about you can't change your blood though, John, how

1089
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 5: about a Long Island Long Island blood?

1090
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: Got it about a Seaford zip code?

1091
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, Seaford zip code? Yeah right? If you

1092
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 4: don't know, if you're late to the podcast, my dad

1093
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: was born in Seaford, New York. So these guys like

1094
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: to joke that I have New York blood. I'll walk

1095
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 4: out of here, all right, get a briefcase and I

1096
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 4: won't get anything New York related. I mean like a

1097
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: lot of my stances have softened, Like I'll be happy

1098
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: when the Toronto maple Leafs win a Stanley Cup. You know,

1099
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 4: but Ken Fall had like random clothing that would say

1100
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 4: New York, and I used to give a ship like

1101
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 4: I'm not wearing nothing New York.

1102
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1103
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: The only thing I have is actually the Brooklyn Cyclones.

1104
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: It's a visor, and I'm gonna throw it away after the.

1105
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: New York Sarah's got to hold you down. I got

1106
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 3: to brand you with a five one six hey right

1107
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: here on.

1108
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 4: His cheek, Yeah right, I do like facial in nettad

1109
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 4: all right, So not enough time to spend on Curtis

1110
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 4: blades as you now, And this decision went over ver Gearginho,

1111
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: rosenstrike andrage. We briefly mentioned I want to talk about

1112
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: Dan Hooker in the five remaining minutes that we have.

1113
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll get to Chris Dakas shout out to the Tarancela,

1114
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: Jalen Turner and Matthew Semmelsberger as well. But Ken Flow,

1115
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 4: let me start with you on this. Okay, we say

1116
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 4: what you want about the Hooker performance. There just aren't

1117
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: a lot of guys at one hundred and fifty five

1118
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 4: pounds with a number eight next to their name. Forget

1119
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: about the circumstances for both guys going into this fight,

1120
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 4: the visa issues and all that they're just Onn't a

1121
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: lot of guys number eight in the world giving number

1122
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 4: twenty seven or number twenty two in the world this

1123
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 4: type of opportunity, and sometimes it makes it hard to

1124
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 4: move the division forward, you know. And I just give

1125
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: Dan Hooker a lot of credit for not only winning

1126
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: this fight rather dominantly, but for giving a guy an

1127
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 4: opportunity to beat them.

1128
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 5: I think that's very true, and I think it's a

1129
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 5: testament to the kind of confidence that Daniel Hooker has

1130
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 5: in his skills. And man, I mean, he looked fantastic,

1131
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 5: he really did on Saturday night. I mean, he was

1132
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 5: just winning every aspect of that fight pretty much and

1133
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 5: showed that he was a true mixed martial artist. His

1134
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 5: reach and range when he's comfortable and he's moving when

1135
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 5: he's fainting is a problem for anyone in that division,

1136
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 5: and I was happy for him. Showed a lot of class.

1137
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 5: Of course, giving respect to Nazrat's family, so that was

1138
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 5: cool to see as well.

1139
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's hard to you know, even talk about

1140
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: that fight without you got to speak a lot about

1141
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: what they went through to get there. I know you

1142
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: you know you said excluding that, but I'm blown away

1143
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: by that, making that trip a couple of times. I

1144
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: can't even dude, I'm more blown away by that than

1145
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: his performance. I swear to god, I really am. I

1146
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 3: think that was the when you really want to fight.

1147
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: You're a fighter, this is shit you do because it's

1148
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: not even stressful for you obviously, right, you just want

1149
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: to get in there and fight. But yeah, did they

1150
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: get there, both of them? Unbelievable. And look for Hooker

1151
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: coming off a loss, right, he had a loss with

1152
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: it was his last fight with the chance a great

1153
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: idea to give him a guy back there to get

1154
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: get him back on track. So as much as he

1155
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: gave a guy an opportunity for me, because you don't

1156
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: get those opportunities in the UFC, you know what I mean,

1157
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: rematch you with somebody even tougher than the guy to

1158
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: beat you.

1159
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 4: But it's not as though you're absolutely right, I agree,

1160
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, as an he was a bonus four hundred

1161
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 4: favorite though, right, it was a fairly close fight on paper.

1162
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 4: You know you're fighting, got trained by Farosa Hobby and

1163
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 4: alongside George Saint Pierre, right, So it's not as though

1164
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: he's some schmuck, you know, right, I mean.

1165
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: As a coach, I think that's a great fight to

1166
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: get him back exactly what he did. And he came

1167
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 3: through in flying colors. He controlled the distance, he used

1168
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 3: his range, and now he's back on track, you know,

1169
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: and he can move forward. But I think if you

1170
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: get those opportunities to fight a guy way behind you

1171
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: at that give him point in time and book career

1172
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 3: after what happened. I think that's that was a that

1173
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: that's genius to.

1174
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: Do after losing his mother who was his rock, and

1175
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 4: then getting to town even later than Dan Hooker.

1176
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: Kenny, you know, you know this is crazy.

1177
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 4: Really hard to ask him to go and then beat

1178
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 4: the number eight guy in the world. Ray, I gotta

1179
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 4: let you fly. Hey, thanks so much for fifty minutes

1180
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 4: of your time. Congratulations went like.

1181
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. Back in the win column, John.

1182
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 4: I love you so much. I'm sorry if I offended

1183
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 4: you in any way.

1184
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: Shape. Let's talk about my lords before we go that is.

1185
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: I know it's all got hm, I know it's well done.

1186
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: Out of love. Thanks all love save me. I couldn't

1187
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: have come on this show with another W. In my

1188
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 3: long use of w's, I couldn't have done it.

1189
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 4: Right right, Yeah, you weren't going to come on if

1190
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 4: he lost the fight.

1191
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 3: That's a if you listen, man, the heart of a warrior.

1192
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: I just I can't. I can't believe what I saw.

1193
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: But he does do to conditioning. He the time in

1194
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: and and for all the young guys out there too.

1195
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: You get hurt, you gotta keep moving. You have to

1196
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: keep moving. That's why Peter I'm saying. I think Peterson

1197
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 3: did a great job all the way around, because I

1198
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: think if he would have stopped that fight, you know,

1199
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 3: in the first round, at the end or even at

1200
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: the they would have won. Berserk on him like, oh

1201
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 3: you gave that guy a chance. But he didn't give

1202
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 3: him a chance. So of course, you know, and just.

1203
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 4: Here was consistent. He was consistent throughout that fight.

1204
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: I thought it was he was consistent throughout the fight,

1205
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: and that that's that's really I think what you want.

1206
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 3: But you know it's funny. One other quick story. Morob

1207
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: at the end at the end of that second round

1208
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: said he he goes, I really did not want to

1209
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: hit him anymore. He did feel bad, and he said

1210
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: as soon as he let up, that's when Murray's got

1211
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: up and went for the take. Then he goes, fuck this,

1212
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta finish.

1213
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: I got it.

1214
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: I can't, I can't. I can't take the chance. The

1215
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 3: guy came back, you know, he got up, but he

1216
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 3: did say for a while, he goes it just it

1217
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: didn't seem right. And you know, and he rob you

1218
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 3: could tell by told him you're not meeting nice a guy.

1219
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 3: He's just that nice of a guy. Can't say enough.

1220
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: I've been talking about him, but I still can't say

1221
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: enough great things about him. So great night, Glad the

1222
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 3: team's back on track, and I'll talk to you guys

1223
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 3: next week.

1224
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: Hey, have a great day and a better evening.

1225
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 6: Great stuff, great day in a better evening like that,

1226
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 6: like that positivity. Yeah yeah, great day, better evening. My

1227
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 6: longtime best friend Brian Montgomery, you know, fucking crazy, crazy dude, hilarious,

1228
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 6: but you always say great to have.

1229
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 4: A great day and better evening. He's also the inspiration

1230
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 4: for you later how we close the show every day

1231
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: or every I should say later. All right, Ray, get

1232
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: on out of here, take it easy, guys, Yeah right,

1233
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: Ray long a minute every week here on the Annak

1234
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 4: and Florian Podcast. I don't know who's teaching striking defense

1235
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: there for teams Sarah long ago, but now just kidding,

1236
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 4: totally kidding, Marlin's amazing Kenny. Before we move along to

1237
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 4: the main event challenge. I don't know if you saw

1238
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 4: Chris win up Dura Kimov. I don't need to talk

1239
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 4: about the fight. I just wanted to get this went

1240
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 4: out there. You can respond, or you don't have to.

1241
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 4: Chris Beccus, Fourno in the FC as a heavyweight, went

1242
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 4: in at two hundred and thirty one pounds. I don't

1243
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: think he can make light heavyweight, but he is getting

1244
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 4: smaller now because after ten years as a member of

1245
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 4: the Philadelphia Police Apartment, he is now taking a leave

1246
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 4: of absence. And he didn't always have the resources to

1247
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: go all in on this career. Now obviously he does.

1248
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 4: And you know he said this week not to us,

1249
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: during his media they wants to go down as the

1250
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 4: greatest U SEE heavyweight of all time. And when I

1251
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 4: said on the air, Daniel Cormier kind of laughed, not

1252
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 4: that he was laughing about Doccas's inability to do that,

1253
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 4: but I would submit to you, like, why fucking not right?

1254
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 4: And in an era in which we are applauding people

1255
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 4: for self belief. Right now, he's actually able to be

1256
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: a full time fighter.

1257
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: Right.

1258
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: Certainly, when you're in the twenty fifth district in Philadelphia

1259
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 4: fighting crime, you know you're not as freaked out by

1260
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 4: cheve Mil. I'm fucking dorahimb right, So there's a lot

1261
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 4: of upside there too. I'm just saying, like, why can't

1262
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 4: this guy be the UFC heavyweight champ? Absolutely?

1263
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 5: And listen, I think after experiencing, you know, a few

1264
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 5: fights in the UFC, you start to kind of see

1265
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 5: your potentially go wait a sec, I'm doing well here

1266
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 5: and I could put more resources into this. I can

1267
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 5: invest more time into my training, and you start to

1268
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 5: see that as a possibility. But what are you supposed

1269
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 5: to do? See yourself as the second best? You know,

1270
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 5: you got to look at yourself as the best or

1271
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: trying to be the best. So it's great to see

1272
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 5: every time we see we see doccas, we see a leaner,

1273
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 5: meaner version of him. Yeah, and he is getting better,

1274
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 5: He's taking it more seriously. You can see the results.

1275
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 5: And Shamil is not an easy guy to finish, man.

1276
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 5: I mean, how many guys have been able to get

1277
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 5: a finish like that on him. So I thought it

1278
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 5: was an awesome performance for him, man, and I'm excited

1279
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 5: that he's able to, you know, you know, be a

1280
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 5: mixed martial artist full time now.

1281
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you like that, dudn't go twenty five minutes, man,

1282
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 4: That's the thing. It's like, you don't need a six

1283
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 4: pack to go twenty five minutes, you know. Like I'm

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Speaker 4: no physiologist or whatever, you know, in terms of the bomb,

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Kempflog tell you a lot about you know,

1286
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 4: you build a lot of your body fat, you know,

1287
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 4: in your formative years and in your twenties and thirties,

1288
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 4: and you know, it's like, you know, it's like for me,

1289
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Speaker 4: like it gonna be hard for me to get a

1290
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Speaker 4: fucking twelve pack.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 4: I'm got a fucking twelve hundred out, you know, because uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm paying for some of my bad dieting

1294
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 4: earlier in my life. Now I eat super fucking clean

1295
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 4: because I'm training for an amateur bandam way fight I got.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying I got as low as fucking now all

1297
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Speaker 4: these fight challenges. I got low as one forty four

1298
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Speaker 4: in Vegas, motherfucker. But I'll make thirty five fucking next month.

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Speaker 4: There we go, let's go, We'll get down to twenty

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Speaker 4: five like Cody Garbrand. All right, great stuff on UFC

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Speaker 4: two sixty six. Uh UFC is Live this weekend. Waltswall

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Speaker 4: on the ESPN Plus at is UFC Fight Night's Santos

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Speaker 4: versus Walker. Let's get to the Main Event Challenge.

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Speaker 2: It's the Main Event Challenge and.

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Speaker 5: Time's most bias fight.

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01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 4: How do you everything possible to win?

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Speaker 1: It's the main event Challenge?

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Speaker 2: John Kenny Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 4: All right, here we go with some predictions. We welcome

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Speaker 4: on today Josh Penland on Twitter. You can find him

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Speaker 4: at Josh p Underscore UFC Picks. And when I see

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Speaker 4: you wearing the one More Sleep t shirt that you

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Speaker 4: presumably bought in support of me on millions dot Co,

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Speaker 4: it's like, send me your venmo, I need to pay

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Speaker 4: you back.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 4: It's like, I feel bad KEMP flow guys coming on

1318
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Speaker 4: here making picks paying for my shirt. I'm not worthy.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, Josh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm happy to do it.

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Speaker 8: And you guys have been providing me entertainment for it's

1322
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 8: been like six years now. I've always been listening, so

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Speaker 8: we'll call it.

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Speaker 3: Even with that.

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Speaker 4: So how long have you been picking fights?

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Speaker 8: I've been tracking my bets for about coming up on

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Speaker 8: four years now, and I've been doing it for about

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Speaker 8: seven years total.

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Speaker 4: Good for you, So yeah, you can tell see leading

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Speaker 4: with the fact that he's tracking his bets. You're the

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Speaker 4: fucking man, Josh, and a lot of people out there like,

1332
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 4: oh yeah, track your fucking bets, right, That's all you

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01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 4: need to do, right, and then people will know exactly

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Speaker 4: how good you bet you are. All right, let us

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Speaker 4: get into it. I know Josh knows stuff, and it's

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Speaker 4: always interesting to have a new guy on to make

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Speaker 4: picks against Ken Flow. We're gonna go five fights on

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Speaker 4: the main card. Go as long or short as you want.

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Speaker 4: Aspen lad minus two ten, Macy Shaftsen plus one seventy five.

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited to see Aspen ladd back. Little backdrop

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Speaker 4: for you. She knocked out Yana Kunitskaya that was late

1342
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, was going to face Juliana Penya March twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: That got scrapped. She was training to con Sarah McMahon

1344
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 4: June twenty twenty toward both her acl and mcl ands

1345
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 4: a two year layoff two months later than expected though

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Speaker 4: against Macy shafts On. This was going to go down

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Speaker 4: in July. Some COVID nineteen issues big fight for the division,

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Speaker 4: Josh Lad about a two to one favorite. Who do

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Speaker 4: you have?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And as as you mentioned, John, that Lad's been

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Speaker 8: out for about two years after a major surgery, so

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Speaker 8: that does kind of pose a question. But that said,

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Speaker 8: I still think this is a pretty good stylistic matchup

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Speaker 8: for her. Her best weapon is typically her wrestling. She's

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01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 8: landing nearly two point five takedowns per fight, and then

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Speaker 8: whenever she gets you on the mat control suffocating and

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Speaker 8: Macy's kind of shown to struggle there from time to time.

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Speaker 8: So that said, give me Aspen Glad to get her

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01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 8: ground game going and get a big win after.

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Speaker 4: The long layoff ken Fall. On the other side, Macy

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Speaker 4: Shassen two wins at a Row, good Camp seven and one. Overall,

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Speaker 4: she's never been finished. Hatty handicapped this one, kid. Yeah, listen,

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Speaker 4: I actually like the underdog here. I like Chasson.

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Speaker 5: I think that I like her length, I like her

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01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 5: ability to try to keep Aspen on the outside. I

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01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 5: think if she does get to the clinch. She has

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Speaker 5: to make sure that either she gets that tie clinch

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Speaker 5: where she's really strong, get those long knees up into

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01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 5: the body, or get those underhooks stopped to take down.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be the key. If Aspen, like Josh said,

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Speaker 5: can take her down, I think Macy might struggle there

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Speaker 5: a little bit. She is pretty good on the ground too, though,

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Speaker 5: so it will be interesting ground battle if it does happen.

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Speaker 5: But Aspen does have good control, she does have some

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Speaker 5: decent ground or pound. I just see Macy as being

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Speaker 5: a little bit sharper on the feet. I think she's

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Speaker 5: the better athlete. I like her length and reach here,

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Speaker 5: so I'm going with the underdog.

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Speaker 4: Great fight, great analysis on both sides, all right. Next

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Speaker 4: up at middleweight Chris Jotko minus one sixty five Misha

1381
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Speaker 4: Serkuanov plus one forty five. All right, So my research

1382
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 4: suggests this is not only the UFC middleweight debut, but

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01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 4: also the first pro or amateur fight at eighty five

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Speaker 4: for Misha Serkunov, who, by the way, Kenny was at

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Speaker 4: Susie free Time's memorial service on Friday night. His wife

1386
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 4: was pretty close with Susie, so It was good to

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01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 4: see Misha there and he looked like he was beginning

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01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 4: to get down to one hundred and eighty six pounds.

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Speaker 4: Got knocked out by Ryan Span earlier in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 4: after he missed all of twenty twenty. Jock Goo middleweight

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Speaker 4: roster staple, Josh, who do you have here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I had to give that a double take whenever I

1394
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 8: seen Serkanov was making the cut down to one eighty five.

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Speaker 8: And initially I didn't think, you know, it was a

1396
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 8: great idea because his chin has been a little suspect.

1397
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Speaker 8: But I do think he picked a good opponent in Jocko,

1398
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 8: who of his nine UFC wins, eight of them have

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Speaker 8: come by decision, so he's not putting a lot of

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Speaker 8: guys out. I think Misha might have a grappling edge,

1401
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 8: and I think he's also a little busier on the feet.

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Speaker 8: So I'm on a side with the dog and circling

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01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 8: off here.

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Speaker 4: This is an interesting matchup, Kenny. Jocko is an interesting guy,

1405
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 4: fun striker to watch when he's on. You know was

1406
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 4: fourteen and oh when he made his UFC debut, Kenny,

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01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 4: you called a lot of his early fights he got

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Speaker 4: to nineteen and one and was in the rankings when

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01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 4: he started six in one of the UFC and then

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Speaker 4: lost three in a row, kind of left for dead.

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01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 4: Rallied to reel off three in a row before running

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01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 4: into Sean Strickland. So maybe a ceiling as to the

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Speaker 4: overall trajectory for Jocko. But what do you think about

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 4: this matchup here this weekend?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I do think, you know, he cooled

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01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 5: his engines a little bit, and I think we saw

1417
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 5: him a little bit, you know, maybe stifled by the

1418
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 5: lack of grappling skills a little bit, and that's where

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Speaker 5: Misha is going to shine here. The problem is, Misha

1420
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 5: is an awesome grappler, and I think he's talented. He's

1421
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Speaker 5: physically impressive. I'm curious to see how he makes one

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Speaker 5: hundred and eighty five pounds.

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Speaker 4: This dude's big.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he was a decent size two hundred and

1425
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 5: five pound or so. Anyways, that's gonna be a struggle.

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Speaker 5: But it's his transition into that clinch where every single time,

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Speaker 5: whether he wins or loses, it's almost like, oh, you're

1428
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 5: about to be a crash, Like please just get there

1429
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 5: safely and so against Jockco I see Jocko catching them

1430
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 5: and maybe hurting him. And again, anytime you're cutting down

1431
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 5: in wait, I saw it when I experienced it going

1432
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 5: down to one hundred and forty five pounds, you know

1433
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Speaker 5: you're gonna be dehydrated. Your brain's not gonna be able

1434
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 5: to take the same kind of impact. And that's what

1435
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 5: worries me here. For Misha, he's a tremendous grappler, it's

1436
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 5: just as he gets into that clinch, that's what concerns me.

1437
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Speaker 5: I like Jockco here, I see him getting it done

1438
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 5: and this would be a big wind.

1439
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: And Pahoopa figures to be a big resource in the

1440
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 4: corner I believe of Chris Jocko. I will tell you

1441
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 4: our guy, Pahoopa got very sick and went to Brazil

1442
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 4: and uh and had surgery and is healthy and pres

1443
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 4: but he has not been in South Florida for the

1444
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 4: Bulk of Coast training camp. But if memory serves, those

1445
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 4: two do work together, and if not, I'm a complete

1446
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 4: fucking asshole, all right. At welterweight, Nico Price modus one

1447
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 4: forty Alex Cowboy olivera plus one twenty last win for

1448
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 4: Nico Price. Josh came against James Vick twenty nineteen. On

1449
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 4: the other side, OLIVERA was submitted by Randy Brown back

1450
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 4: in April. He's lost two in a row as he

1451
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 4: readies for this twenty first UFC appearance. Close fight on

1452
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 4: paper here at one hundred and seventy pounds, Josh, which

1453
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 4: way you going first?

1454
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 8: Of all, anytime Nico Price is on the card, you

1455
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 8: know he's going to deliver the goods each and every

1456
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 8: time out, And like you mentioned, both guys do need

1457
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 8: a win here after losing a couple bouts. I just

1458
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 8: feel like, based on other recent fights, that Price seems

1459
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 8: to be the ascending fighter, and he also possesses a

1460
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 8: unique ability to make guys brawl with him. And I

1461
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 8: think at this stage in Oliver's career, who can get

1462
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 8: lured into brawls. They're probably going to get into some exchanges,

1463
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 8: and I think Price has the better durability, It's a

1464
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 8: better cardio, and I'm gonna take Nico to win this fight.

1465
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Speaker 4: Kenny, Nico Price always puts on a show, There's no

1466
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 4: doubt about it. He still has championship aspirations, though he's

1467
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 4: frustrated when he looks at all the red on his

1468
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 4: Wikipedia page, but the promotion understands what he brings to

1469
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 4: the table. This is the first fight on a new

1470
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 4: four fight deal, I believe so, even though didn't win

1471
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 4: his last fight, you know, not every day you lose

1472
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 4: a fight and you're being rewarded with a new deal.

1473
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 4: He's favored to win this one. How do you see

1474
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 4: him doing well?

1475
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 5: The UFC loves fighters and Nico is absolutely that, and

1476
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 5: Alex Olivera is as well. I mean, both these guys

1477
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 5: bring crazy into the octagon, and I think we're gonna

1478
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 5: see that in his fight. I just think that Nico

1479
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 5: he's still fighting to move up the rankings and beats

1480
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 5: a mass, you know. Whereas Alex Olivera, I feel like,

1481
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 5: you know, and again I don't know him, but just

1482
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 5: just from what I see from the outside looking in,

1483
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 5: it seems like he's kind of fighting for a paycheck

1484
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 5: a little bit. This is more of a job for him.

1485
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 5: Nico is trying to, you know, move up the ranking.

1486
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 5: He's trying to do something with it. He's not just

1487
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 5: satisfied by just competing in the UFC. He wants to

1488
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 5: make a run and I like to see that I

1489
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 5: think Nico's a little bit more dangerous. I think he's

1490
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 5: a little bigger, a little bit more powerful. And I

1491
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 5: agree with Josh here, I'm going with Price.

1492
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 4: And again it's just it's a good read by you man.

1493
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 4: It's like Nico is so married to the game. I mean,

1494
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 4: he does have a wife in five kids, but dude,

1495
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 4: he's obsessed with this and being great. I just can't

1496
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 4: emphasize that enough. I don't know Alex Cowboy matter well,

1497
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 4: obsolutely matter all right Comaine event at middleweight. I don't

1498
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 4: know how Kyle Dowcas couldn't be inspired by what his

1499
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 4: brother did over the weekend on his thirty second birthday.

1500
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 4: So Kevin Holland minus won fifty here in the co

1501
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 4: main event against Kyle Daccas, who comes back plus one

1502
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 4: point thirty will need the round of the method of

1503
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 4: victory here, Josh So Kevin Holland oh and two this year,

1504
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 4: both of those twenty five minute main event losses to

1505
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 4: Derek Runson and Marvin Vittori. And on the other side,

1506
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 4: Docas kind of a hard luck one and two in

1507
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 4: the UFC. He's fought a very difficulty edible, He's been

1508
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 4: competitive coming off a loss to Phil Hawes earlier this year.

1509
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 4: What do you think of the comin event, Josh, who

1510
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 4: wins it and how do they get it done?

1511
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 8: I think that we'll have a bit of a grappler

1512
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 8: verus striker on our hands for the comane on the feet.

1513
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 8: Holland's definitely gonna have a speed advantage. He's got a

1514
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 8: five inch reached advantage that he also uses well, and

1515
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 8: I think he's the cleaner striker. However, there's no secret

1516
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 8: that Holland struggles with the takedown defense, and then, in

1517
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 8: my opinion, his real problem is that after he's taken

1518
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 8: down and those shoulders hit the mat, you know that's it.

1519
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 8: There's a process to returning to your feet, and he

1520
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 8: just doesn't do it. And so, until proven otherwise against

1521
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 8: a guy who will grapple, I'm gonna have a hard

1522
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 8: time back in Holland. Doccas is averaging six takedown attempts

1523
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 8: per fight. He's nearly hitting two takedowns per fight with

1524
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 8: seven minutes of control time per over his four ufcabouts,

1525
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 8: So I expect Holland to have some early success in

1526
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 8: the striking realm. Dowcas is going to push this one

1527
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 8: to defence. He's going to get the takedown. I think

1528
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 8: Holland will have more of a sense of urgency with

1529
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 8: his last two flights being controlled on the mat, and

1530
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 8: I think it's gonna cost him and Ducas is gonna

1531
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 8: sub them in round two.

1532
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 4: Look at that nicely done there on the way out.

1533
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like these Dacas boys need a nickname.

1534
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 4: I love one fighters don't have a nickname, right, But

1535
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,919
Speaker 4: Chris Daccas is three syllables. Kyle Dwcas is three syllables.

1536
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 4: Not a ton to work with for Bruce Buffer and

1537
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 4: guys like me. You know, imagine if you put like

1538
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 4: a Philadelphia's Finest in front of it, or some some

1539
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 4: play on words with Philly in the middle. You know,

1540
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 4: it's not like he knocks a guy out. We could

1541
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 4: be like Christopher fucking Doccas. I might go Christopher Maybe,

1542
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 4: man I am on one today, Kenny who wins the

1543
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 4: coming event? Uh listen. I thought it was a great

1544
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 4: breakdown by Josh. I agree, Listen.

1545
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 5: I think Kyle Daccas, you know, has the ability to

1546
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 5: win this fight. He's really good at, you know, dragging

1547
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 5: guys into these dog fights and you know, just getting

1548
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 5: scrappy out there. I think that Kyle uh is a

1549
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 5: decent striker as well. Kevin might be a little bit sharper,

1550
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 5: a little bit faster perhaps, but Daccas has a lot

1551
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 5: of tools as well. I think he's you know, pretty

1552
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 5: big for the division, and I think, you know, he

1553
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 5: has a little bit more ways to win as well.

1554
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 5: He can take it to the ground, he can win

1555
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 5: by submission or TKO. And for that reason, I'm back

1556
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 5: in Kyle Dawcas as well.

1557
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 4: And how does he get it done? Let's go second

1558
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 4: round TKO. All right, there you go. Main event Thiago

1559
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 4: Santo's minus one seventy Johnny Walker Blue plus one fifty.

1560
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 4: Little background for you. Thiago Santos has lost three in

1561
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 4: a row, last of which came against Alexander Rockitic UFC

1562
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 4: two to fifty nine in March. He's now two full

1563
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 4: fights back since the knee injuries, which is good. Just

1564
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 4: announced that he's having his first baby, girl by the way,

1565
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 4: with Jana Kunitzka. Johnny Walker on the other side, coming

1566
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 4: off a win it was a while ago, a knockout

1567
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 4: of Ryan's Span last September. Then he was in line

1568
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 4: to face Jimmy Krute in March at UFC two sixty

1569
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 4: pulled out with a chest injury. First UFC main event

1570
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 4: Josh for Johnny Walker, fifth headlining spot for Thiago Santos,

1571
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 4: who of course fought John Jones for the UFC light

1572
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 4: heavyweight title. Santos Walker with rounded method of victory, Josh Penlin,

1573
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 4: Who do you have?

1574
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 3: Oh?

1575
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 8: Walker is extremely dangerous early on in fights. He brings

1576
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 8: the heat from the opening bell. Since twenty seventeen, Walker

1577
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 8: has finished nine of his ten wins, and eight of

1578
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 8: those nine came in the opening round. Just a major

1579
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 8: knock on Johnny is he can't sustain that early form

1580
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 8: deep into a three round fight. Nonetheless, a five round

1581
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 8: fight like this weekend, I think he's gonna have about

1582
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,799
Speaker 8: seven minutes to win this fight, and then the momentum

1583
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 8: is going to swing. There was a time when Santos

1584
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 8: was a madman in the octagon, but I think recently

1585
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 8: he's showed more patience, defensive responsibility, and I think that's

1586
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 8: going to be a real key in this bout. I

1587
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 8: think he's the more skillful and technical fighter. He has

1588
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 8: the better cardio, he has the five round experience, as

1589
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 8: long as he can keep his back off that cage

1590
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 8: early on. Stay away from those elbows, those knees. I

1591
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 8: think that Santos is going to win this fight, and

1592
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 8: I think he's going to finish Johnny Walker by TKO

1593
01:13:58,920 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 8: and round three.

1594
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 4: Look at us, Josh Penlin ready to go like a

1595
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 4: mother today, Ken Fla, what do you think about this

1596
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 4: main event? I mean, experience should count for something. Johnny

1597
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,879
Speaker 4: Walker's got a lot of it, but not in the UFC.

1598
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 4: I mean Santos, you know, has been here forever, has

1599
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 4: been in so many big spots. What do you make

1600
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 4: in the matchup? In the fight that is in front

1601
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 4: of us this weekend?

1602
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 5: This should be a fun matchup. I do not see

1603
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 5: this one going the distance. Both guys have serious firepower.

1604
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 5: Johnny Walker has been one of those guys that we

1605
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 5: haven't quite seen kind of developed or fulfill his potential,

1606
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 5: and a lot of that is because of kind of

1607
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 5: him ignoring it seems his grappling game. So I think

1608
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 5: that's where you know he's gonna be susceptible to most guys.

1609
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 5: I don't think that's necessarily the case here against Thiago Santos,

1610
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 5: of course, another very dangerous striker, but I agree with

1611
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 5: Josh that Thiago is a little bit cleaner with this technique,

1612
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 5: a little bit more consistence now, but still dangerous in

1613
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,480
Speaker 5: round one him self. And I think if they trade shots,

1614
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 5: I think Santos will find a way. I think Johnny

1615
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 5: Walker is going to bring the fight to him. He's

1616
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 5: gonna get overly aggressive. I think Santos wins this by

1617
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 5: knockout in round one.

1618
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 4: Easy night for the broadcasters, then yeah. If you want

1619
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 4: more from Josh Penlan at Josh p Underscore, UFC picks.

1620
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 4: Great job today, my man. Thank you for hopping on

1621
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 4: and we will not lose your number.

1622
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 8: Appreciate it, guys, and bust of luck to everybody out

1623
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:27,839
Speaker 8: there on their action this weekend.

1624
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 4: Thank you, my man. Josh Penlin with us for the

1625
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,599
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1630
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1631
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1632
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1633
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Speaker 4: I like, when's your next PFL broadcast.

1634
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Speaker 5: Let's see October twenty seventh. We have the championships kids,

1635
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 5: all right, Yeah.

1636
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 4: It's probably nice having a little off season. You have

1637
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 4: seen that anything, You got a little break, Yeah, no

1638
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Speaker 4: robot fighting for a while, battle, no robot fighting for

1639
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Speaker 4: a while. That's maybe voice over pickups. But other than

1640
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Speaker 4: that one good, all right, good stuff, and I got

1641
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 4: the weekend off. I'm excited to uh, I'm really excited

1642
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 4: to watch lad back, you know, I really am excited

1643
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 4: to watch her against Macy Shassen to see how that

1644
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 4: will go and if one of them can potentially emerge

1645
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 4: as a thirty five pound challenger. All right, before we

1646
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 4: get on out of here, Ken Flow, just curious if

1647
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 4: you had any thoughts on John Jones other than the

1648
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 4: fact that it is overwhelmingly disappointing. You know, I spent

1649
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 4: forty five minutes with the guy backstage at the UFC

1650
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. I mean, and he's so engaging one

1651
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 4: on one right, looking you in the eye, his cell

1652
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 4: phones nowhere to be found. He's asking about your kids,

1653
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 4: he's asking me about the job, like he really gives

1654
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 4: a shit. All his teammates were there, his family was there.

1655
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 4: They all seemed united. They were so happy for John.

1656
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 4: He fucking crushed the speech and then he probably crushed

1657
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 4: a bunch of red Bull and vodka. You know, I'm

1658
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 4: but no, I obviously it's it's disappointing, and.

1659
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 3: Huh.

1660
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 4: You know, I think it's asking a lot of his

1661
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 4: handlers and his friends to you know, help him in

1662
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 4: these situations. And you know, obviously it didn't take him

1663
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 4: long to be in vase for a disaster to strike,

1664
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 4: and now we just await the next update.

1665
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, I mean, this is a tough one.

1666
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 5: You know, John is just so damn talented man, one

1667
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 5: of the most impressive competitors that I've ever seen inside

1668
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 5: the octagon. H and you know, he has brought a

1669
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 5: lot of chaos to into his life outside of it,

1670
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 5: and it's been unfortunate.

1671
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 4: I don't have the details.

1672
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 5: I don't know exactly what the hell is going on

1673
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 5: and what the circumstances are. I don't think it would

1674
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 5: be fair for me at this point to make any

1675
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 5: assumptions here. But you know, John has found a way

1676
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 5: to get himself in trouble. I hope he's able to

1677
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 5: get himself out of it in some way, shape or

1678
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 5: form and refocus here. But it's been a story that

1679
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 5: we've heard again and again, and you know, it's it's tough.

1680
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 5: It's tough because he does show some qualities really being

1681
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 5: a nice guy, and he's extremely talented at what he

1682
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 5: does best, and that's fighting the octagon, and it's just

1683
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 5: been a lot of issues outside of it.

1684
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 4: Promo code, by the way, and florinpodcast dot com is

1685
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 4: af ten. I stand corrected. It's also an interesting backdrop

1686
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 4: for me when people will say, oh, why are you

1687
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 4: defending this guy? And then there are other people who

1688
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 4: will say, thank you for defending this guy, you know.

1689
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 4: But I just hope people know, like there are a

1690
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 4: lot of misconceptions about people, and yeah, like for me, like,

1691
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 4: do you think it wins me any favors with my

1692
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 4: primary broadcast partner Daniel Cormier when I am defending John Jones?

1693
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 4: You know, But I'm judging people on my personal experience.

1694
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 4: You know, Floyd Mayweather treated me like gold, you know,

1695
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 4: and so I mean there are a lot of athletes

1696
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 4: that won't give me the time of day, right, and

1697
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 4: this one happens too. And when Susie frets on my

1698
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 4: beloved late friend was in trouble, you know who was

1699
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 4: the first guy to drop ten large for her? You

1700
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 4: know what I mean? So I don't know, man, I

1701
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,759
Speaker 4: just I just hope he gets the help that he needs,

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Speaker 4: you know, because this is a guy who's raised fifteen

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Speaker 4: championship banners at Jackson Wink MMA Academy and one of

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Speaker 4: the best MMA athletes of all time. So you know,

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Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with the details. Doesn't look like

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Speaker 4: he's looking at long jail time. But I hope for

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Speaker 4: the sake of his family and his daughters and his kids,

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Speaker 4: that he can write the ship because that's who I

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Speaker 4: saying that John had bottomed out, you know, it's just

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Speaker 4: it's hard for the kids, you know, as they get

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Speaker 4: All right, appreciate everybody indulging us today. Hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 4: of that noise. Thank you to our guest Ray long

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