1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Steff 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: I've never told you production of iHeart Radio, and today 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: we are once again thrilled and delighted to be joined 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: by the wondrous and the very curious Eaves. Welcome Eaves. Hi, 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: thank you for that introduction. Curious is a good I'm 6 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: very happy with that. I like to I like that. Yeah, 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: and it shines through in all of these topics you bring. 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: But also we just had a delightful conversation about continents 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: and oceans and are confusion around them. Uh So, I 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: have to say I as we're moving into the holidays, 11 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: it's a lot of stress. We were talking about all 12 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: of our stress that we're experiencing at work and otherwise, 13 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: and talking to you all calmed me down, and you're 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: your thoughts about contents has given me something else to 15 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: focus on. I appreciate it. That's nice of you. Like 16 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: thinking about the trivial things in life. I think from 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: the existential questions, I think it's a stress anxiety tactic 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: as well as like sleep tactic to think on things 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: that that makes you kind of just further into the 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: rabbit hole of questions. So us talking about why does 21 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: this happen? And then going down but then what did 22 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: how did this come about? Becomes a whole question. But 23 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: it distracts you well enough that it calms you down 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: or make you angry. It made me angry, though, I 25 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: will put the oceans conversation. I like why so we 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: had different stress, get a little bit different. Well, I 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: love it. I'm glad it. Maybe it woke me up. 28 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: Here we go. Yeah, okay, there's an outlet for expression 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: happening either way, which is probably probably a good thing, 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: right probably Yeah, um so eves. This is our our 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: last recording of with You. Do you have any any plans, 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: anything you're excited about? You have such a good I 33 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: remember last time we talked about New Year's you had 34 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: such a good like perspective audit anything you're doing to 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: deal with distress or have fun. I don't know if 36 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: I have anything profound to say, if I ever do, 37 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: but I don't know. I think I am really feeling 38 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: a strong transition in the end of two this year, 39 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: as I'm sure so many other people are. But it's 40 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: one of those things where I don't know. I think 41 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: it's a good time of the year to reflect and 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: to consider what's coming up, and also to just be 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: present at the time. So I honor all of the 44 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: traditions and all of the habits that people have around 45 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: this time of year, but I never have anything that 46 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: I do solidly every single year, nothing that I stick to. 47 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: So this year, I really really really just want to 48 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: be by myself, um in New Years and at the 49 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: end of the year, I'm really feeling a strong calling 50 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: towards solitude. This year. December and like just the past 51 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: month for me has been so full of travel and 52 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: making new connections repairing I don't even know if repairing 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: is the right word, but um, dealing with old connections, UM, 54 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: new problems, lots of family changes and all of that. 55 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: So I think I'm just really thinking about integrating everything 56 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: is settling into some solitude and introspection at the end 57 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: of this year. So maybe that's different than a lot 58 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: of people because I know this is a huge time 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: for celebration and like turn things up, but the volume 60 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: knob is getting turned down, like it. Yeah, I like that. Yes, yes, 61 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: that's about where I am too. So well, hopefully it'll 62 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: be a good, good New Year's for all of us 63 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: in in the new year. We'll look forward to continuing 64 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: many of these female first Yeah, because they're always always 65 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: so fascinating. Um, and we're we're curious, Smith and I 66 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: are curious right along with you. So these are great. 67 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: So who did you bring for us to discuss today? Ves, 68 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: So today we're gonna be talking about Dr Rebecca Lee Crumpler. 69 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: So she might be a person that a lot of 70 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: people are familiar with because she has gotten a lot 71 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: of shine and attention in her first she was the 72 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: first black woman in the US to earn a medical degree, 73 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: and her book Book of Medical Discourses is one of 74 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: the first publications by a black American author, what the 75 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: first medical texts that were published specifically. But she had 76 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: a great life. Her story was super interesting. The reasons 77 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: why she got into our work and why she sustained 78 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: her work in the medical field. Um, we're super interesting. 79 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: And at a time when things were really difficult for 80 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: people who are trying to do black people, when black 81 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: women specifically who were doing what she was doing, so 82 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: really excited to get into her story. I know a 83 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: lot of the time we talked about people who might 84 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: be a little bit less recognized in the mainstream discourses, 85 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: but I think it's important to what you also never 86 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: know who anybody might have heard of before, But it's 87 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: just important to talk about so many different people who 88 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: were pioneers in their fields, no matter how much recognition 89 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: they might have already gotten. Yes, yes, absolutely agree, And 90 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: I think I had I had heard the name before, 91 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: but I didn't know anything about the stories. So I'm 92 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: very very glad to have learned about it and that 93 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: you're going to share it with all of us today. 94 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Me too. So. She was born Rebecca Davis on February eighth, 95 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty one, in Delaware. At the time, Delaware was 96 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: a slave state, but she was born free. Her parents 97 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: were Absolute Davis and Matilda Weber, and it was her 98 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: aunt in Pennsylvania who raised her. Her aunt would also hurt, 99 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: she would care for people, other people besides Rebecca, and 100 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: Rebecca later said in her book quote, I early conceived 101 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: a liking four and sought every opportunity to be in 102 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: a position to relieve the sufferings of others. That sentiment 103 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: was what seemingly attributed to Rebecca's interest in the field. 104 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: So she attended school in Massachusetts. So in eighteen fifty two, 105 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: she married a man named wyat Lee and Charlestown, Massachusetts. 106 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: She worked there as a nurse for several years, and 107 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: she didn't train to be a nurse at any formal 108 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: nursing school because that wasn't really a thing in the 109 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: US at the time. But she says in her book 110 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: that from eighteen fifty two to eighteen sixty she worked 111 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: as a nurse under different doctors in Massachusetts. Those doctors 112 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: recommended her to the folks at New England Female Medical College. 113 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: So in eighteen sixty she became the first and only 114 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: black American woman who was accepted to the New England 115 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Female Medical College in Boston. So for background, of course, 116 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: by this time, some white American women had already gotten 117 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: medical degrees. So we talked about this, and we've talked 118 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: about this before in the show the context of first 119 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: how people had access to be able to do what 120 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: they were able to do to be pioneers in their fields. 121 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: But before eighteen sixty five, there were a small amount 122 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: of medical schools that did admit black students. Some of 123 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: them were in the eastern United States, somewhere in the Midwest, 124 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: but in the South and largely in the North. Black 125 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: students were barred from medical schools, and the first black 126 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: American physicians got their degrees abroad. It was a man 127 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: named Samuel Gregory who founded the New England Female Medical 128 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: College in eighteen forty eight, and it was the first 129 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: institution in the US to train women in medicine. So 130 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: she got a scholarship to attend the school, but her 131 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: husband did get sick, her husband whitet, so she had 132 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: to take a leave from school to care for him. 133 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: But he did end up dying of tuberculosis in April 134 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: of eighteen sixty three, and she did act to re 135 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: enroll after that, although the administrators there did give her 136 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: some trouble because of the amount of time that she 137 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: had spent on her work. But she did end up 138 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 1: graduating from the school and became a doctress of medicine 139 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: doctor of medicine. But what they said was doctress, and 140 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: it just sounds I guess, it sounds so serious and 141 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: it sounds a little bit more cool to say doctress 142 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: even though it is gendered, maybe because it's sounding a 143 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: little bit like dominatrix to me. The suffix on the 144 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: end there. On March one, eighteen sixty for that's when 145 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: she graduated from the school. So she was thirty three 146 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: years old when she got her degree. And in eighteen 147 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: seventy three, the New England Female Medical College merged with 148 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: Boston University. The school closed due to some troubles that 149 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: was having, but that made Dr Rebecca who was Rebecca 150 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: Lee at the time because of her marriage, Dr Rebecca Lee, 151 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: the first and only black woman to get a medical 152 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: degree from the school. So soon after getting her degree, 153 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: she began practicing medicine and Boston, and in eighteen sixty 154 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 1: five she married Arthur Crumpler in Boston. So Arthur was 155 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: previously enslaved but had escaped slavery. He served in the 156 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: Union Army during the Civil War and he later worked 157 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: as a porter. So pause on this. First of all, 158 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: Arthur Crumpler's story sounds so interesting too. I would love 159 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: to know more about his story. Um, I'm not sure. 160 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: I don't know it. I'm not sure how my more 161 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: information is available about it, but I will definitely be 162 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: saying seeing what else is out there about him, because 163 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: it's so interesting when you read where we often talk 164 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: about these people, but the other people who were in 165 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: their lives, their families, their spouses, their children, all that 166 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: have their own stories. Um that maybe in some way 167 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: related to the person we're talking about story or maybe 168 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: something completely different, but they may have been inspired by 169 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: the person we're talking about, like legacy and history, which 170 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: I feel like are also provide lots of other fascinating 171 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: avenues to go down when we're learning about these people 172 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: and the things that they did. But anyway, that's an aside. 173 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: Dr Rebecca she ended up being drawn to Richmond, Virginia 174 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: when the Civil War ended. So the third teen Amendment 175 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: to the Constitution was ratified in eighteen sixty five, which 176 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: abolished slavery in the US on paper, although it did 177 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,479 Speaker 1: continue in practice in places, of course. But the Freeman's 178 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Bureau of Government agency that was established during reconstruction in 179 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: the South, that was the postwar era UM that aimed 180 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: to help formerly enslaved people who were emancipated in the 181 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: aftermath of the war. So Dr Crumpler served as a 182 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: physician with a Bureau Enrichment and she worked with other 183 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: charitable groups there as well to help people who were impoverished, 184 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: who were displaced and dispossessed, and she called it in 185 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: her work she called it the quote proper field for 186 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,359 Speaker 1: real missionary work. Of course, she faced challenges there. Hospitals, 187 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: it was said, wouldn't take her patients, and pharmacists wouldn't 188 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: fill her prescriptions, but it was clear that that was 189 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: the work that Dr Crumpler wanted to do. Um She 190 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: was really interested in helping women and specifically children in 191 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: her work, as will find if you read her book. 192 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: But she was really involved in the work there. She 193 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: did with her husband up going back to Boston in 194 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: the late eighteen sixties and continue to practice medicine. So 195 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: they moved to Beacon Hill, which was a mostly black 196 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: neighborhood at the time, and their house was on Joy Street. 197 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: Dr Crumpler even saw patients in her house for treatment, 198 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: but in eighteen eighty later on they moved to Hyatt Park, 199 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: which was another neighborhood in Boston, and she stopped practicing medicine. 200 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: There were since his records that year that listed her 201 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: occupation as quote keeping house um They the couple did 202 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: have a daughter whose name was Lizzie Sinclair Crumpler, but 203 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: she stopped showing up on census records and this thought 204 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: that she died young. So in eight three she published 205 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: the book that I mentioned earlier, a book of medical 206 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: discourses in two parts. That book is available to read 207 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: online because it's in the public domain, and like I said, 208 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: it's also considered one of the first published medical text 209 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: written by a Black American author. And it is full 210 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: of quotes that I love. UM, but I think gives 211 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: really good insight into how Dr Crumpler thought, the things 212 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: that motivated her work in the medical field, the reasons 213 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: why she did them, some of her personal proclivities, like 214 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: her commitment to Christianity was very clear in the work 215 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: that she did, and the interest that she had in marriage, 216 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: which she really believed was the divine institution. Um. The 217 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: first part of the book is about the cause, prevention, 218 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: and the cure of illnesses that children have from infancy 219 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: to five years old, and the second part is about 220 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: the same and women in youth, as well as quote 221 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: miscellaneous information concerning the life and growth of beings and 222 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: quote the beginning of womanhood. UM. I'm not quite sure 223 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: of the backstory of the publication on this book, but 224 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: it is really kind of a catch all, a comprehensive text. UM. 225 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: I do really I'm curious about what the pitch was 226 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: for this book, but um, it's dedicated um, which I 227 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: think is really interesting. She dedicates the book to quote 228 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: mother's nurses and all who may desire to mitigate the 229 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: afflictions of the human race. So she had this really 230 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: grand outlook on the work did that she did, but 231 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: not in a way that was delusional, of course, it's 232 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: in a way where it's like you're truly doing the 233 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: work of saving lives, saving people and hopefully preventing the 234 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: illnesses that come to people, um that may shorten their 235 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: lives or make their lives um less well, or you know, 236 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: may cause them to die. So she she was serious 237 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: about her work, which was clear and the work that 238 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: she did, and also very passionate about it. She stated 239 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: in the book that she wanted it to be simple, 240 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: She wanted it to be comprehensive and to not have 241 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: a lot of technical jargon in it, therefore making the 242 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: book accessible to a lot of people who didn't necessarily 243 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: have a ton of knowledge and medical information, but had 244 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,119 Speaker 1: an interest in it and an enthusiasm for it. Which obviously, 245 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: medical information is something that it is beneficial for all 246 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: of us to know because it is related to our bodies. 247 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: It is related to keeping our bodies well and keeping 248 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: us alive, because obviously survival is one of our points 249 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: of being here. You know, the way that she clearly 250 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: wanted to spread this information far and wide and had 251 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: these kind of higher, honorable aims for the work that 252 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: she was doing is really fascinating to me, and that 253 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: she was still upfront about it. But the topics in 254 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: the book included breastfeeding, teething, how young women should marry, 255 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: treatments for various things like rheumatism and hemorrhoids, and all 256 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: of that. And of of course, as so many of 257 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: these things that we're reading from the nineteenth century, some 258 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: of the information is going to be outdated, some of 259 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: it's not going to align with some of the principles 260 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: that we have depending on where we live in the world. 261 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: Obviously our principles are different, um, But depending on your 262 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: culture and the nation you live in, and some of 263 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,359 Speaker 1: the values that you hold UM may not stand up medically. 264 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: Things have progressed since then, of course, and then there 265 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: may be things that you just disagree with or things 266 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: that may surprise you that you might agree with based 267 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: on your own personal values. Maybe you agree with some 268 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: of the things she says about who you should marry, 269 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: which I'm gonna get to in a second way. So 270 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: she talks at the end of the first part about 271 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: black people who do so much work and take care 272 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: of so many other people and things without regard to 273 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: their own health. In a way, she encourages self care, 274 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: intending to our wellness basically for longevity. So I thought 275 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: that was just really prescient because it's something that we're 276 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: talking about in current conversations so frequently, so frequently than 277 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: in fact it's guy and stale in so many ways, 278 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: it has become a buzzword that people might tune out, 279 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: but it is relevant to what we're talking about. And 280 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I love when moments like that happened because it's like 281 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: almost like you can just take a chunk of what 282 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: she said and just placed it in today and you'll 283 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: be like, Oh, that was totally ri in twenties twenty two, 284 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: But no, it wasn't. It was three. Because she's talking 285 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: about the ills that productivity and caring about external over 286 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: internal can have on a person's health, how this grind 287 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: and the hustle, And I think at one point she 288 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: says for black men caring about horses more than the 289 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: caring for the horses better than they care for themselves. 290 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: Um So, even though that thing may not be horses, 291 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, other things in other ways, we say, we 292 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: are so focused on and dedicated to this work culture 293 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: that doesn't sustain us in ways that attuning to our 294 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: health would specifically. Um So, some of the quotes that 295 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: were in the book she says as related to how 296 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: women should marry, and of course she's thinking about this 297 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: in a heterosexual like. She's talking about women who want 298 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: to marry men. She says, quote, it is best for 299 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: a young woman to accept a suitor who is respectable, vigorous, industrious, 300 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: and but a few years her senior, if not of 301 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: an equal age. End quote. So now can you imagine 302 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: limiting the field of suitors to those specific positions and 303 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: the difficulties that people I'm not in the dating world, 304 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: but the difficult the tease that I hear about people 305 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: having out of the field that is larger than that. 306 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: Today they're talking about I need more options, according to 307 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: the doctor Crumpler, less options. Okay, less options, limited field, 308 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: because this is what's best for you. But um you know, 309 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: so that's what she saists to take it as you 310 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: take it, take it as you may, which is vigorous, 311 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be vigorous. That's a type of the Okay, Okay, 312 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: that's what I'm thinking, just wondering. But I guess it 313 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: could also relate to other physical prowess too. So like 314 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: your metabolism is high, metabolism, I have sh standards. It 315 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: must be vigorous. They didn't have credit scores by fanc 316 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: This medical treat dis stills me a vigorous man. Everything 317 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: I was on board with until like, Okay, I gotta 318 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: felt what vigorous though? I need. I need to know 319 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: where we go, how we go about them. Okay, keep going. 320 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: I need more of her standards here. We need a 321 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: part two to this book, is what you're saying. Yes. 322 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: So she also talks about how thousands of children died 323 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: deaths that could have been prevented. So she says, quote 324 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: people do not wish to feel that death ensues through 325 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: neglect on their part. Indeed, they speak of consumption, cholera 326 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: and phantom diphtheria, et cetera, as if sent by God 327 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: to destroy our infants. They seem to forget that there 328 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: is a cause for every ailment, and that it may 329 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: be in their power to remove it. My chief desire 330 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: in presenting this book is to impress upon somebody's mind 331 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: the possibilities of prevention end quote. So she's saying that 332 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: you have the power and the tools to gather some 333 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: of this information to learn through practice. And there are 334 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: other people like me, like Rebet Dr Crumpler, who can 335 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: give you some of these information that the solutions and 336 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: the treatments to some of the things that you're dealing with, 337 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: so that we do not have to deal as much 338 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: with infant mortality. Um. And obviously there are limits to 339 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: that and what we can learn ourselves, and that's why 340 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: we have the support and information available to us in books. 341 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: But I did uh really appreciate that she said that 342 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: some of these things are not out of your hands, 343 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: they are not all divinely inspired per se, even though 344 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: she was a practicing Christian woman, um, And that we 345 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: can take some of these matters into our own hands 346 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: and find solutions for them. So for the last school 347 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: I will share from the book, she says women doctors 348 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: or more properly speaking, doctresses of medicine, although usually treated 349 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: with less courtesy by doctors are nevertheless by them considered 350 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: to be in their proper sphere in the confinement room 351 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: and nursery. So she does end quote. So she does 352 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: talk about some of the social difficulties that she had 353 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: and being a woman doctor, although she doesn't really talk 354 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: about too much of that of her own experience that 355 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: she had working in the field. We would need an 356 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: autobiography for a little bit more of that information, and 357 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of that, but she talks 358 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: about it, and of course it was a time when 359 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: women were expected to be in certain realms. It was 360 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: men who were thought of as people could be practiced doctors, 361 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: and that she was up against some of those things 362 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: when she was working. So later in her life she 363 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: and her husband were active members of the twelfth Baptist 364 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: Church in Boston, but she died of fibroid tumors when 365 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: she was sixty four years old in eight Arthur Crumpler, 366 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: her husband, died later in nineteen ten. She and her 367 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: husband were buried in anonymous graves in Fairview Cemetery in 368 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: High Park, but later on, much later on, there was 369 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: a fundraiser for headstones for Dr Crumpler and her husband, 370 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: which was an effort that was spearheaded by Vicki Gaul 371 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: who was president of the Friends of the High Park Library, 372 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: And so they ended up getting those gravestones put up 373 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: for the two of them in which is a long 374 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: time after period that both of them a century. So 375 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: her home in Beacon Hill is featured on the Boston 376 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Women's Heritage Trail, But there isn't any photo or description 377 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: of her, drawing of her any like that that we 378 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: know of that is her for sure. But in there 379 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: was a piece in the Boston Daily Globe that'said that 380 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: she was quote a very pleasant and intellectual woman, and 381 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: that she was quote tall and straight, with light brown 382 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: skin and gray hair. So unfortunately we don't have any 383 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: pictures of her to put with the words that she 384 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: wrote in her book, but we can draw a sort 385 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: of characterization of her through the words that she wrote 386 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: in her book. That's the story of Dr Rebecca Lee Klensler. 387 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just struck so many times by 388 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: what you said earlier. Eves. There so many instances where 389 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: if you kind of rephrase it, we're still having these 390 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: conversations today about self care, about like putting productivity of 391 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: war the external first and burnout and even when it 392 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: comes to women and women of color in medicine. We 393 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: talked about burnout in that fields specifically, UM and how 394 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: bad it is, and I can only imagine being the 395 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: only black woman that it was just like amped weigh up, 396 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: but having this this passion, as you say, and like 397 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: clearly just really caring and wanting to make this information 398 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: more accessible. UM. It's another great example of having a 399 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: woman mentor of her aunts. UM. I don't know. There's 400 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: just so many through lines of things we have talked 401 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: about before that we are still talking about in this 402 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: story and speaking of our aunt, I feel like when 403 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: she was talking about for the women out there who 404 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: are doing these things anyway, here's some help for you, 405 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: it feels like it was almost like an ode to her, 406 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: because we know that that's what she was doing. Her 407 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: aunt was out there trying to care for people and 408 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: kind of the doctor of that area for for that community. 409 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: So she's like, here, here, I want to do this, 410 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: just in case there's more people like my aunt. You 411 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: have this information right here for you, and yes, this 412 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: is curable, not just oh no, sorry, guy doesn't want 413 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: them to live. Like there are things that we can 414 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: do and he I who just went through all of 415 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: the pains, staking studying, dealing with people who said I 416 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: couldn't do it or I shouldn't do it. I've done this, 417 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: and here's the information for you, so you don't have 418 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: to go through what I just did or what my 419 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: aunt had to go through. And it feels like kind 420 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: of like a love letter and owed to her aunt 421 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I really like that way of 422 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: thinking about it. Yeah, and that just made me think 423 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: of two of some of the treatments that are in 424 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: the book. I really want to try. Wait they were 425 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: I want to read it. I'm very curious. Yeah, they 426 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: have one first sore throat um I can't remember what 427 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: it was. We put a warm cloth with something on 428 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: it over your throat when you go to sleep or 429 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: something like that. And they had other furious elements and 430 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: then one of which was soft bones and rheumatism. And yeah, 431 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: I think they had some for period. She had some 432 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: for period cramps in there. She had several things in 433 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: there that I was like, oh, this is very it's 434 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: very useful. So it wasn't it was a text that 435 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: wasn't just meant to proselytize over her ideas, but something 436 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: that you could actually use, like put in your kitchen, 437 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: you know, next to your cookbooks or you know, and 438 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: wherever else you keep me right, that you could actually 439 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: use in your household, keep it home on a daily basis, 440 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: and just refer to yeah, yeah, because I mean, doctors 441 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: weren't accessible and it could be days before you could 442 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: get to one, I would think, and like traveling to 443 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: get to a doctor. Shoot, it takes days for us 444 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: to get an appointment now, so if not months, Um, 445 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: so maybe I need that book. But yeah, but it's 446 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: interesting because I wondered if the miscellaneous portion it was like, 447 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: is that period? Are they talking about period? Is she 448 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: trying not to say this is what happens when you 449 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: go through puberty? Let me help you out. They said 450 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: it in so many words, because you know, they were 451 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: real wordy back there. I think she did use the 452 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: word period in it, but there were definitely there was 453 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: other terminology for it. Uh huh. And also while we're 454 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: on the topic, I just wanted to also mention that, 455 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, just because she did. Of course, her achievements 456 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: are completely notable, and she is a pioneer in her field, 457 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: but there were other women, the women who weren't necessarily 458 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: able to attend nursing schools because these institutions that were 459 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: created by white men or even when they were black institutions, 460 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: you know, doesn't necessarily validate or invalidate the work that 461 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: other women were doing as nurses already before, who had 462 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: all of this knowledge before in that field. I just 463 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: want to call that out for sure before you in 464 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: the episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean going back 465 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: to Samantha's point, That's why the dedication is so beautiful 466 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: because it's like recognizing also the pretty much unnoticed or unrewarded, unseen, 467 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: invisible work that these women were already doing, um to 468 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: take care of their communities and people in them. So yeah, 469 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: I love it. I do want to read it, um, 470 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: I want to skim to it. I think it'd be cool. 471 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: Let me know, if you try any of those put 472 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: in your medicine cabinet to have it next to all 473 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: of your wouldn't that be hilarious though? If you had 474 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: somebody over and they're like, why do you have an 475 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: eight hundreds book of medicine some of them yeah, yes, yes, 476 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: and then they see like there's a chapter on finding 477 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: the right the right husband, just to help you out here, 478 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: just calm down, calm down. So oh my gosh, thank 479 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: you as always for being here. Always a pleasure to 480 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: have you. Looking forward to working more and continuing. 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