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Speaker 1: And now you're asking him, you know, a month in

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Speaker 3: Is this before we get into who exactly the communication

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Speaker 3: Devers unrelatable to the blue collar fan that I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does because you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: So you say players, other players are frustrated, as we

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So I was focused on what Rafael was saying,

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Speaker 3: Is Rocky Devers held to a different standard in that

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Speaker 3: in that clubhouse because he's a superstar, not just by

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting with Raphael. He does not

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Speaker 1: And it's not like he ever asked to be a leader.

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Speaker 1: to So that's the question I asked Alex right now,

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Speaker 1: is like why, like what why was he not involved

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, one thing that Alex Corp

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Rafael was so mad that he said, like,

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Speaker 1: That's a question that should be asked. But overall, it's

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Speaker 1: strange that the communication has not been there because you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's been working on this situation. And obviously

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Speaker 1: there's great tension right now between Devers and Craig Brezl.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I asked it, as I said, I asked

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Speaker 1: had some harsh things to say about Craig Brezl. That's

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Speaker 1: like that, Like you know, there's there's obviously tension there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think Raffie knows Craig Breslo's name, let

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Speaker 3: alone his title. So I think that's that's probably where

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Speaker 3: he said just the GM, like I would just call

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Speaker 3: you the reporter. But yes, my last question, and I

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Speaker 3: But my last question is is there a power struggle

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Speaker 3: didn't agree. And now it's a new GM, not GM

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Speaker 3: power struggle because he brings up I've heard him in

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Speaker 3: is there a power struggle with Alex as manager within

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Speaker 1: Well, Alex initially brought up that he was interested in

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, so it's interesting that you know, like

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. YadA, YadA, YadA, And you know, he was

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Speaker 1: there's been some thoughts before that, you know, even before that,

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Speaker 1: It's not like he set many times. He doesn't like

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Speaker 1: you know, Terry Francona, you know, and so he has

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Speaker 1: his eyes on other things in life, and he has

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Speaker 1: right Like, usually when you're a new GM or a

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Speaker 1: that Alex has a really good relationship with John Henry

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Speaker 1: that they wanted him as the manager now. Craig also

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Speaker 1: And apparently their relationship came together. I mean, the ownership

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Speaker 1: Alex core as your manager forever. As long as you're

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Speaker 1: going to let Craig Bresla make a decision on manager,

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Speaker 3: Today, Christopher, last thing just to comment from me next

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Speaker 3: time you come on, and it was the first time

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Speaker 3: on FT, I need you to take that ticket down

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Speaker 3: from behind your left shoulder because I grew up a

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Speaker 3: Phillies fan. In a ninety three World Series ticket that

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Speaker 3: you're looking at. It just says National League champion again

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Speaker 3: versus the Toronto Blue Jays. It hurts my feelings because

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Speaker 3: they lost that we were I was thirteen years old

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Speaker 3: when that happened, and they don't even have the Phillies

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Speaker 3: before you come on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, usually like every time, and I've gone to

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Speaker 1: game in every ballpark but Pittsburgh. It's just hasn't worked out,

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Speaker 1: you know, And hopefully next year I'll cover a game there.

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Speaker 1: But I try to get a souvenir or something for

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Speaker 1: my office from every every place that that you know,

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Speaker 1: I go to. And I looked at that in the

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Speaker 1: in the Toronto you know, team store, and I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that looks that looks shop. So sorry about that, but

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Speaker 1: it does look kind of shop, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: I do like it.

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Speaker 1: I do like it.

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Speaker 2: Look it's nice. Well, Chris, this was great, really great insight.

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Speaker 2: Enjoyed having you on here. Thanks for the time, and

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Speaker 2: the saga continues. Have fun pressure later.

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Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for having me