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Speaker 1: Second date, up date.

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Speaker 2: We've all heard of dating ultimatums where they put it

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Speaker 2: all on the line and say, either you put.

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Speaker 1: A ring on it or I'm gone. Okay, you have

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Speaker 1: to pick. Is it me or your mom?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you can't have You're gonna get dumped

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Speaker 3: every time on both of those occasions.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, well, if.

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Speaker 1: They really love you, they choose you.

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Speaker 2: But it is pretty rare to give yourself a dating

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Speaker 2: ultimatum like that's it. If I don't find somebody by August,

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Speaker 2: I'm just marrying my weighted blanket and calling it a life.

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Speaker 4: Well, there could be worse options that way to blanket.

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Speaker 1: Really, it really like to hug you the right way.

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Speaker 2: But I bring it up because one of our listeners

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Speaker 2: says she's on the precipice of giving up on dating

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Speaker 2: forever unless we can make.

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Speaker 1: This call work.

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Speaker 4: That is so much on us. Why would you do

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Speaker 4: that to us, Jackie?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? That's completely right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Jaggie, don't come in all cheerful like you were.

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Speaker 4: Is doomsday that.

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Speaker 5: This isn't I'm not cheerful. I'm just letting you know

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Speaker 5: that if this doesn't work out, I'm done. I am done.

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Speaker 5: Aren't very high? Yeah, I'm that desperate. I'm with you guys.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're all starting off on the same page.

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Speaker 2: So starting at rock bottom can only go up from here.

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Speaker 2: Let's begin by learning the name of the guy that

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Speaker 2: you met recently.

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Speaker 5: The guy's name is Steve. We went on a date

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Speaker 5: like last Thursday.

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Speaker 3: And is there something that stood out about Steve or

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Speaker 3: was it just not horrible and that's why you're okay with?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much in the last couple of months, I've

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Speaker 5: been trying to say yes to anyone that asked me out.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, cast a wide net sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm putting myself out there.

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Speaker 4: Okay, like everybody tells you.

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Speaker 5: To, right, and most of them have been okay with Steve.

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Speaker 5: It was actually a really good day.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I could even see the hope in

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Speaker 3: your voice when you say that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not super hopeful, just like not the worst thing ever.

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Speaker 1: Where was that date?

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Speaker 5: It was really fun. We went to a farmer's market

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Speaker 5: and we were just walking around, like sampling the foods

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, this is good.

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Speaker 6: It's a day date.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's like drinking too much. I mean, did you meet there?

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Speaker 5: Yes? We met at the farmer's market, and then at

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Speaker 5: the end he walked me back to my car. And

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Speaker 5: you know, normally I don't kiss someone on the first date,

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Speaker 5: especially a day date. But the connection was really strong.

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Speaker 4: So you had a first kiss after a farmer's market date.

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Speaker 5: Yes. And then he looked at me in the eyes

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Speaker 5: and said, I had a really great time, and I

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Speaker 5: want to see you again soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want eye contact when that happens, you

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Speaker 3: Look away in shame.

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Speaker 1: Don't look at me.

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Speaker 4: You want eye contact. Eye contact is so intimate and nice.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 5: You believed him, right, I did, And I told him

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Speaker 5: that I had an amazing time and I would love

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Speaker 5: to see him again.

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Speaker 1: And there it is again. What it's too much?

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Speaker 4: I didn't do anything, not too much, he said, I

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Speaker 4: want to see you again. She said, I want to

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Speaker 4: see you again. That's not too much.

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Speaker 2: I can see how maybe you would think that prefer

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Speaker 2: a guy saying I really like you. It's the most

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Speaker 5: She said that to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not supposed to say it back to him.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, Brooke, I've done enough of these

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Speaker 2: to know how to play the game, and being honest

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Speaker 1: You really feel is the absolute worst thing. You can see.

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Speaker 5: That was not the problem, because that same day he

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Speaker 5: texts me yep, and he said, Sunday, does that work?

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Speaker 5: I'll pick you up for dinner and maybe you can

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Speaker 1: Okay, I stand corrected, possibly, thank you?

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Speaker 4: So what happened Sunday?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 5: So I texted back yes, one hundred percent, I'm in,

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Speaker 5: and gave him a little high five emoji. And on

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Speaker 5: Saturday he texts me and says, hey, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 5: to cancel on Sunday. Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, did he try to reschedule?

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Speaker 5: No, he didn't say anything else. Doesn't explain nothing, And

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Speaker 5: so I just texted back no problem. Let's figure out

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Speaker 5: another time. Did he respond to your no no response?

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Speaker 4: Come on, how many days has that been?

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Speaker 5: It's been a week now, Okay. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: So this is the only guy that I've connected with,

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Speaker 5: and now he's ghosting me. I mean, it's so unbelievably frustrating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it sounds like you're doing this, not

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Speaker 3: just for Steve, but to make up for every other

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Speaker 5: Really just want to know why. I mean, like what

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Speaker 5: happened right?

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Speaker 1: Well, you said it's been a week.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's learned something about you in between that period

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Speaker 2: of time, Like you don't have to answer this, but

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Speaker 2: have you served time in prison that.

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Speaker 4: Could be hot though I.

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Speaker 5: Have not.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is there anything that's available online to the public

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Speaker 2: that somebody could come across and might be like, oh god,

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Speaker 2: this is a red flag.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, there's nothing that I can take of.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this is definitely a mystery.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he just had a bad reaction to the Baba

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Speaker 3: ganoosh you guys had the farmer's market.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't able to recover.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It was just at a hummus stand

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Speaker 4: must weekend so hot.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So let's come back. We're gonna definitely got kisses

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Speaker 1: from her husband totally.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna come back and call Steve for you here

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Speaker 2: and hopefully get an explanation for why he isn't arranging

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Speaker 1: That's what she wants.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm hopeful push you back from the cliff

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Speaker 2: and when we get your second date update right after

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Speaker 2: this second date update today, the entire future of a

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Speaker 2: woman's dating life lies inside of our tender throats, because

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Speaker 2: if we don't say the right thing and get Steve

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Speaker 2: to agree to another date, Jackie has already said she

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Speaker 3: Definitely don't need to tell Steve this, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that won't happen anyway, because they went to

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Speaker 2: a farmer's market hot you know how, walked around, had

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Speaker 4: Soup's hot, hot and organic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they laughed, even planned out another date after telling

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Speaker 4: You forgot the great first kiss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was such a big deal.

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Speaker 4: That was like the moment, right.

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Speaker 2: I thought when I said farmer's market kissing was implied

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Speaker 2: because who doesn't. But yeah, it was all going according

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Speaker 2: to plan until the day before their second date, when

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Speaker 2: Steve texted canceling with no explanation and then went dark. So, Brook,

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on the situation at hand, good.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like it's not going to be good

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Speaker 3: if he's in a different relationship, like if he's cheating or.

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, Brook, how can he cheat if they've

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Speaker 2: only gone on one date.

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Speaker 3: No, no, not cheating on her, cheating on whoever he's dating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You're saying Jackie could be the other woman.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's just like a day date, Jackie.

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Speaker 1: Are you cool with being the other woman? That? We

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Speaker 1: didn't say that? Okay, it is good to check.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully that's not what the situation.

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Speaker 4: Is to be that. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I hope he's just busy at other farmers markets.

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Speaker 1: Scoping out the best spots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the best cober Jines are whatever Brook likes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, does work.

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Speaker 2: We've ruled out a couple of possibilities. Let's just call

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Speaker 2: him and see if he picks up. I'm dialing his

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Speaker 6: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hey is this Steve?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hey man, good morning.

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Speaker 1: You're you're on a radio show called Brook and Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: in the Morning.

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Speaker 3: Oh great, we're going to take that without any sarcasm

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Speaker 1: But I like your style already.

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Speaker 5: Steve can tell.

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Speaker 6: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, what's going on is this is a segment that

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Speaker 2: we do called a second date update.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard of that before.

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Speaker 6: Nope, Okay, keep going.

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Speaker 2: But it's actually a kind of a fun thing that

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Speaker 2: after they're not getting a call back for a second date.

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Speaker 2: We try and help them figure out the reason why.

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Speaker 2: There's a woman that you went out with recently. Actually

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Speaker 2: you planned a second date with her but canceled the

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Speaker 1: Her name's Jackie.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I don't really want to talk about this.

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Speaker 2: Sensitive to you.

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Speaker 6: I feel bad.

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Speaker 4: I ask, are you singles.

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Speaker 1: With so much hope?

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Speaker 6: Here's the deal, here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: What's the deal.

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Speaker 6: I did have a strong connection with her, but if

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Speaker 6: she knew what was going on, it would probably hurt

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Speaker 6: her feelings.

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Speaker 1: Trying to protect someone's feelings hurt some more. I think

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Speaker 1: they want to be directed, that's true.

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Speaker 4: I think her feelings already hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was really looking forward to that second

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Speaker 2: hangout and when you canceled with no explanation.

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Speaker 1: Now she's just kind of confused. She was all excited,

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Speaker 1: doesn't know where she stands. We're just trying to give

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Speaker 6: It's just I had a stronger romantic connection with somebody

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Speaker 6: else and I didn't think it would be fair to

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Speaker 4: My god, that's a pretty normal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, everybody, Okay, everybody's on the call right now.

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Speaker 1: Let's try and be respectful.

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Speaker 5: And here, Steve out, I can't listen to this anymore.

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Speaker 4: Here that Jackie's on the phone.

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Speaker 5: Hold on, he knows it me. He knows it's me,

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Speaker 5: and I know it's cheater. When I smell one, well

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Speaker 5: you smell it.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, I think that's my fault, Jackie,

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Speaker 4: He didn't say he cheated.

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Speaker 3: He just said that he went out with someone else

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Speaker 5: He didn't whatever he was going to cheat on me eventually.

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Speaker 1: But let's give Steve a chance to explain himself.

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Speaker 6: I spoke my piece. I don't have much else to say.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so you're just to say, oh good.

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Speaker 5: So when we were walking around the farmer's market and

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Speaker 5: I didn't want to drink some water fountain because it's

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Speaker 4: Here's that come from?

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Speaker 5: He's selfish and he'd probably selfish in bed?

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Speaker 1: Whoa jackie?

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Speaker 4: Are all over the place right now.

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Speaker 3: I understand your feelings are hurt because this didn't turn

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I've never made that correlation. And before guys

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Speaker 5: Well, you know you're also a guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's fair and water. I am Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to keep it all to myself. Jeremy, can

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Steve, can you confirm that you're a selfish guy?

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Speaker 6: I don't know what's happening.

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Speaker 2: I just I just want to know what's your take

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Speaker 6: But on a good day, I just had a stronger

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Speaker 5: Running in my face again.

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Speaker 4: In your face?

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Speaker 2: You know what he is?

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Speaker 5: He's rubbing it in my face over me.

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Speaker 1: Oh you don't know?

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Speaker 4: She was probably a lovely person.

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Speaker 5: You guys, what are you doing? You're like spinning this

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Speaker 1: Here, victim of circumstances.

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Speaker 4: It's just how dating works. Yeah, sometimes you meet somebody

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Speaker 1: It sounds like just a casual date, right, Steve.

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Speaker 6: I really don't think I should say anymore what.

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Speaker 5: I really wanted to see your basement. I never got

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Speaker 3: Basement random actually offer a tour in the basement, shouldn't?

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Speaker 6: I have a movie room in my basement, and we

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Speaker 4: Really, she had a lot of hopes based around that

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Speaker 1: I see it, don't little popcorn maker, And.

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Speaker 4: I was all on Steve's side, and he just poured

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Speaker 1: That popcord maker.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, it's a dope basement. And yes, I had multiple

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Speaker 6: flavored salts.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is.

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Speaker 3: Kind of cool.

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Speaker 5: You need to go. You need to show now, all right,

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Speaker 5: hang up?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think maybe you just need to work on yourself.

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Speaker 4: Right now, Jackie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, I'm deleting your text.

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Speaker 5: I'm blocking your number. You're never going to hear from

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Speaker 5: me again. I want you to know you lost out

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Speaker 2: Good, really good, really stables type of relationship.

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Speaker 1: So, Steve, I'm sorry, dude.

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Speaker 6: It's fine. I feel like I dodged a bullet. It's

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Speaker 5: Okay, I don't want to hear from him.

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Speaker 2: Head, Okay, Steve, you're gone.

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Speaker 1: We dropped Steve.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, Jackie, Oh my god, wow.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, you it's honestly, it's fine.

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Speaker 5: I know men. After that, he is definitely going to

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Speaker 1: I mean that's actually.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying you put all of that on just

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just stood up a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: That was a little bit blown.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, Jackie, after you take your hiatus from

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Speaker 5: Yeah. No, I'm anny from Steve.

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Speaker 1: You heard about that basement, right, It is pretty dope. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to block him, and then he's gonna

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Speaker 5: update update on me.

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Speaker 4: About your healthy relationship direction.

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Speaker 1: This is going to go.

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Speaker 5: Breaking Jeffrey in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Was it me or did it feel like? She definitely

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Speaker 4: What happened?

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Speaker 6: She said?

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Speaker 4: She like what shausted up? Juiced it up? I don't

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Speaker 6: It was purpose.

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Speaker 4: It was an emotional roller coaster.

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Speaker 1: I'm exhausted.

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Speaker 2: The second he mentioned a stronger connection with another woman,

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Speaker 2: she completely went off the handle. Yeah, but wouldn't it

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Speaker 2: be something though, if after all of this she was right.

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Speaker 4: That he did call her back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Steve thinks about it and he's like, you

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Speaker 3: Like it, Yeah, right on every level. Only way Steve's

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Speaker 2: It's sure, it's probably a less than one percent chance

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Speaker 1: But wouldn't that be a wild update?

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Speaker 2: There would be Yeah, and I really appreciate her optimism

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Speaker 2: and all of your optimism in your dating lives. If

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