WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Are Expectations Too High? 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:07.160 This he is Talking Cowboys Screaming live on Dallas Cowboys 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:18.440 dot Com and the Official Dallas Cowboys No. Your hosts Mickey'spagnola, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:24.040 Brian brought us, Taylor Stern and Rob Phillips. Welcome everybody 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:28.280 into the SUBC Mortgage Studio. Of course we have had 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.400 a minute since we last talked to you guys. Cowboys 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.400 lose on Thanksgiving and then have a busy weekend with 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.600 different roster moves and other injury updates. Of course, today 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.080 is a Thursday in Cowboys world because they do play 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.400 this Thursday against the Redskins at home. So let's jump 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:50.120 right into it. But how is everyone's Thanksgiving? Quick? That's good, 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:54.000 it's good, it's good. Good. Yeah, you're one day off, 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:59.440 got the win, got the win, it's right, mxas A 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.120 and m Hey, New Mexico didn't either. Yeah, and maybe 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.920 we're getting a new coach. I'm gonna miss Vin your case. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.360 Thanksgiving kind of tied to football in that way, you know, 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.960 and and does your Thanksgiving? And I know we're all 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.640 thankful for things, don't get me wrong, but do you 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.200 feel like you're just when it's over, You're the game's over, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.679 and you're like, man, you just you just don't. It 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.240 takes so much out of you. Thankful it's over about 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.800 this particular Chargers. Yeah, but it was one of those 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.440 games where you just couldn't nothing went right. You couldn't 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.440 stop them. You know, it's third down. You can't stop them. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.480 You really can't do anything yourself, you know. I mean, 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.759 I don't know. I'm not trying to be wet blanket guy, 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.560 but it's just you're dedicated to your craft. Well, no, 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.720 it's just Thanksgiving. I guess it's so tied to how 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.480 I you know, with my with my job. And then 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.640 you know, and I love being around people. I love 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.040 the holiday. I love all the food. Of course, I 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.800 love the food. But then when you don't have success 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.880 at kind of sours the rest of the weekend. Well, yeah, 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.600 taste good. No, no, the food tastes great. But I 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.560 know what you're saying, it's just it's just a it's 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.800 it's because you're you're you're so invested in this. You know, 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.720 we're all invested in this. Yeah, and then you know, 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.760 like I said, I you know, I was nice enough. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:18.440 I mean, like we were here at the Star and 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.640 the folks made us a meal. And all that, and 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.080 it was really nice for them to do that. Didn't 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.120 have to do that. But then you know, you was 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.200 suppered to three in the morning watching tape trying to 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.280 figure things out, you know, and because you're so invested 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.119 in trying to say, okay, why, I mean, there's too many? 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.280 Too many? Last year were kind of rolling along, things 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.720 are going good, you know, this show was all happy 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.600 and everything, and now you're sitting there drinking. Okay, you 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.320 know you're you're basically now in playoff mode. Yeah, you 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.359 are in playoff mode. You don't think about the playofs, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.480 but you are in playoff mode right now, no doubt. Well, 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.240 let's get to some of the roster moves that they 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.560 made this weekend, and then we can talk about the injuries, 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.760 and then we can get where Brian's at and trying 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.680 to figure it all out as we move forward. With 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.519 five games left Earth yep, five yeah, five games left, 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.640 so roster moves. Of course, they release Darren McFadden and 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.120 Mike Nugent. That was expected with Mike Nugent, and they 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.040 signed the pastor shirt. I always pronounced his name Wrongton 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:15.680 Jones Dayton Jones Ula, Yeah, great name and promote the 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.639 running back Trey Williams to the active roster, so Darren McFadden. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.680 He had been inactive even after ezekiel As suspension. Was 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.920 that expected, do you guys think from this team, just 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.799 not having a place he had a plan for him, 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:33.040 I thought was what was expected. Were you surprised to 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:37.560 hear that he had been released? Not really after it 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.920 was time to play and they didn't play him, gave 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.160 him one carry in three games. I like your plan 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.040 though my plan I thought was solid, but they obviously 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.080 didn't agree with it. Yeah, and I think part of 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.360 the deal was I think he wanted out. He was 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.520 frustrated and he didn't want to put up with it anymore. 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.600 I actually said this to Mickey walking out of the 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.160 stadium on Thursday night. Why she let him go if 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.880 he wants to go? And he hadn't expressed that publicly 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.120 or anything, but yeah, of course he wouldn't. He's a 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.160 team player, he's been a pro and that's what Jason 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.480 Garrett said. But you're eleven games in and as Jason 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.360 said in his press conference yesterday, this role wasn't changing 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.840 because Alfred Morris had won that job, had outplayed him 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.600 and rod Smith is really the deciding factor because McFadden 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.280 doesn't play special teams and there's there's a role for 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:28.480 Smith as a up and coming runner and a guy 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.159 that can help you on special teams. It just wasn't 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.120 changing for McFadden. It kind of is what it is 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.200 for him here. Did you keep him around until you 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.040 figured out what rod Smith was? Did you keep him 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.800 around until you figure out what was gonna happen? Zeke 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.560 and that that's what's surprise I think. No, I think 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.839 you're right. Yeah, I think it was more about rod 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.560 smithy that. I think that's what they were waiting to see. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.040 They were waiting to see if rod Smith could handle. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.960 They had an idea that Alfred Morris could do what 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.280 they needed to do. But I thought you thought that 0:04:55.440 --> 0:05:00.240 McFadden had played outplayed Morris. That's not true. No, I 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.640 clearly said that that he out that Morris outplayment, and no, 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.640 that that was the preseason. That's the reason why. Remember 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.839 we were talking about the some of the Blitz pickup 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.880 stuff wasn't good. He wasn't hitting the whole. I mean, 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.000 we've seen some positive things from Morris and he started 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.560 developing more as a complete back. That's what they were 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.080 worried about at Washington. He never had to stay on 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.520 the field and pass protect and do things like that 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.279 and catch the football. But you know, but you know 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.560 what if it had been reversed and if McFadden had 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.840 beaten out Morris, Alfred probably would have been in the 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.039 same boat because he doesn't really play special team and 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.080 so then how do you qualify getting him on the 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:37.800 game day roster. He basically have to give him the 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.520 football a few times. So it's it's it's a tough 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.440 thing when you're getting down to your forty six. So 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:47.520 do you think his inactivity the year before created more 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.359 rust than he could knock off? So I don't get it. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.000 He should have been really healthy going into the YEA 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.720 and he can't. He played several of the games, so 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.360 I mean he Morris was the one that was inactive 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.040 and they played three games in twenty yeah sixteen. I 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.960 thought he ran the ball fine in preseason. He averaged 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:07.880 over five yards of carry. It wasn't like he was 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.039 really struggling something they didn't like. I just felt like, though, 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.000 Rob there was a couple of those games I remember 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.960 doing them with Brad and I'm like, man, it just 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.560 doesn't look like the same burst All Fame game. Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.520 kind of struggled in that game. Yeah, I just well, 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.040 I mean in practice too, they just didn't see it. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:28.200 Seemed like everything was a hesitation and then try, you know, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.040 and hey, good for him, you know what. That just 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.680 shows they have a lot of respect for him to 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.520 let him go, you know, they have a lot of 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.159 respect to say, Okay, fine, we'll move on from you. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.760 And I thought that he shared a nice message on 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.560 Twitter saying just wanted to say thank you to the 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.920 Dallas Cowboys. I grew up a Cowboys fan and it 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:45.600 was awesome to wear the star in my helmet. I 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.320 wish my boys good luck. Just you know, who knows 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.320 how genuine that was. I believe it was. But you know, 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.719 a lot of times there's this awkward tension between teams 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.360 and when they go, specially mid season, but I don't 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.200 think that was with him. Well, they did him, you know, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.680 they kept him under wraps for quite a long time. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.080 I mean last season there was talk about him being 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.839 actually ready to go, and it kind of goes into 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.800 the whole thing where your team's going well and you 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:11.960 don't want to mess with things with the forty six 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.800 and you know, and they were just saying, Okay, keep him, 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.600 keep him in, keep him under wraps. But I think 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.400 this at the end of the day was more about 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.880 not so much about Zeke as it was about rod Smith. 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.080 That's just me, that's just my makes sense. You know 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.280 that they were they wanted to make sure that rod 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.760 Smith could do everything that they needed him to do. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.679 And then and then it's like, okay, well, the fact 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.000 that Alfred or excuse me, that Darren doesn't play special teams, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.080 he tried to play special teams, you know that that's 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.680 you know, but Rob's right. If if the shoe was 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.920 on the other foot, I think we would have seen 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.240 Alfred Morris get put on the street, you know, which 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.600 I think a lot of people thought was going to happen. Yeah, 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:57.040 when but the seasons was eligible to play, right, Like, 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.960 oh Morris, yeah, fooled me. Yeah yeah. And especially I 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.560 remember thinking exactly what you're talking about, Mickey, when Darren 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.320 mcfedon had been on a two year deal when he 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.600 came in here in twenty fifteen, resigned him for the 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.040 one year. I think he had was on a one 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.640 year deal this year and then Morris was still on 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.280 his two year deal, so it was just kind of 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.680 something to think about. But yeah, of course Mike Nugent. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.080 That wasn't as a prize to most people because Dan 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.400 Bailey did return on Thanksgiving from his groin injury. Never 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.840 had never really used him, never had to use Mike 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.000 Nugent in a game where you would have worried. But 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.839 the terrible thing is the teams you played lost their 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.560 kickers both times, and you couldn't take advantage of their 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:41.040 They're actually had backfired. They're misfortunes. It did backfired. You'd 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.280 rather have him kick it than go for it. Yeah, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.320 it cost him five points, said it. I think Philly 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.760 was going on one of their other two point conversion 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.640 because that's four more points. Yeah. You can't, you can't, 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.360 you know, you can't plan on that stuff. But my gosh, 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.720 I mean they just didn't. They never forced anybody to 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:03.040 have to think about kicking a forty two yard field goal. 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.880 It's been a weird season or fifty seven yeah now 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.520 Philadelphia and let go Yeah, yeah, so it has been 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.920 a weird season. But tell me, guys, okay, the defensive 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.640 lineman Daytone Jones, Yeah, I watched a little of him, 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.920 so tell me about him. Yeah, you know, it's played. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.760 The games I've watched. He was last in San Francisco 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:22.960 and the games I've been watching of him where the 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.520 Philadelphia gained the Arizona game and then the Giants game 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.760 with the Giants where they got the victory against the Giants. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.320 So they use him. Really is a defensive end. He's 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.120 kind of got a defensive tackle body though, is really 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:38.400 what you know, And there's some initial quickness there off 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.000 the snap. I felt like though for the most part, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.200 he used technique handover swim move, you know, try to 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.600 use technique, and that's that's important. I mean, you didn't 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.640 want him to be a guy that was constantly getting 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.360 stuck on blocks. I don't know if he's If he's 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.080 one of these guys, it's going to remind you of 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.920 anybody attacking the edge with any types of real, real quickment. 0:09:59.920 --> 0:10:02.400 Like again, that initial and then he tends to kind 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.760 of get stopped and in his rush and he doesn't 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.800 have the bend. He doesn't have that bend. Yeah, and 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.280 that's the problem. If they're looking at him as a 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.280 defensive end, he might have to be an inside guy. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.679 I mean, they might think more about him. I think 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.920 when they, if they if this is something, if this 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.200 is one of those things, you're looking at him and saying, Okay, 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.000 we're giving him a try out for the next five 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.160 weeks to see if you want to resign him or 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.720 do something with him. I think they're gonna have to 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.000 find another position for him. I'm not sure that he 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.040 is the type of defensive end. You know. Now we 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.200 see two year deal, I think, ye, did he get 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.440 a two year deal? Okay, well then yeah, then obviously 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.280 then he's he's like the what they did with, you know, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.840 trying to bring guys in and and uh like the 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.960 George Selby's of the world and guys like that. They've 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.800 done that before. More was a two year deal. Yeah, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.319 and you just see what they can do, see what 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.040 they can do, and we'll keep you the next year 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.520 if you play for I think he's a defensive tackle. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.600 I do too. I don't know about you, guys, but 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.440 when they bring in the backups, how well do you 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.280 feel when you see Ash and Neil standing next to 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.880 each other. I feel better about Neil, but Ashes bought. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.559 I mean Ashes had a when he first started was better. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.600 And then now I'm starting to see where teams are 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.120 having success blocking him. And you're right, Mickey, I see 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.040 you shake your head, and you're right. I don't disagree 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.720 with what you're doing. I think, And he said, Jones 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.000 said that he's been a first and second down defensive 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.360 end and third down inside. Yeah, but they play a 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.960 three to four. It's what they do. At San Francisco. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.400 He was at Detroit. No, no, but this last gig, 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.440 he's been everywhere lately. Yeah, yeah, Green Bay, so he 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:37.719 was he was a three, he was a he was 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.960 a three four defensive end, and then he was and 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:42.960 then he was a and then in Detroit he played 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.880 a four to three and then now he played and 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.200 then San Francisco he's playing as a three to four end. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.640 So really, in actuality, he's probably better suited to play inside. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.400 But right now I've just kind of heard initially, Hey 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.560 jumped in on the scout team. That's what they did. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:58.920 They've got some guys they got to figure out two. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.439 They've got no Ross. Ross is another guy they need 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.559 to kind of figure out there. If he's you know, 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.560 I don't know if Daniel Ross has done anything to 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:10.120 make him want to deactivate Richard ash or anything like that. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.959 I don't know. Any if he gets to the point 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.719 where they start looking at guys, there's gonna be a 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.920 whole lot more of these get ready and know, hey, 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.000 this guy coming. You know this guy. I just I 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.360 don't think this guy's an end. I think he's a 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.000 defensive tackle. He told me he's lined up at linebacker 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.200 before it stood up. Yeah, in a three or four. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.480 Probably he's a little bit bigger body than Lewis Neal, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.080 so maybe you know, they've lost some tackles. They don't 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.680 have as much size in the middle, so maybe he 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.720 can help there. Yeah, and of course promoting Trey Williams. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.360 He was he's been on the practice squad all year long. 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.760 Uh no, no, they sign him now, they sign him. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.040 He's been on the practice squad in the past. Yeah, 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.000 they recently brought him. Yeah, yah, okay, yeah, Zeke's when 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.280 they needed a running back. When they lost the running back, 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.280 they had to have an extra guy to practice. This 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.200 is his second or third go round here. Actually yeah, yeah, 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.720 more depth. Uh, he's I don't know if he's a 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.719 guy that's active on game day. I don't think, probably not, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.720 but maybe as a future. Yeah, I mean he's yeah, 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.320 he's got a little juice to him. I think the 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.120 thing that to me now, too much plotting going on 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.080 at the running back position. Yeah. Well the thing that 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.840 too though is and I Mickey makes a point about 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.319 the plot you know, with the problems you're having in 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.160 the secondary, I would have taken a look at White, 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.920 Martin qu Marquez White. I would have thought about maybe 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.120 bringing him up and Okay, if you're interested in looking 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.800 at guys, you know, that was that was the big 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.840 discussion today among the at the press conference. It was 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.760 the secondary. Okay, what are we going to do with 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.280 the secondary? How are you going to move guys around up? 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.160 And you know all that stuff. You know, I would 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.640 have maybe thought about, Okay, you got White, take a 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.520 look at him. You drafted him, you know, obviously you 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:54.280 want to see him on the practice squad. Especially with 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.760 the talk of Anthony Brown being benched, and well that's yeah, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.800 that's WOOSI let's get ready for a WUZ to start 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.320 this game. I think, I mean, I think they're gonna 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:05.880 take I think that they're gonna you know, and I 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.920 asked a question about about Anthony Brown playing in the Nickel. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.400 The best times that he was really playing for you 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.080 was when he did play nickel slot. So I have 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:20.160 a feeling we're gonna see a totally different secondary on Thursday. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.359 I mean snaps. Did you see a Woozia get defensively 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.400 against the Chargers? I can tell you because he's got 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.360 before before that game, he'd had fifty snaps. Yeah. The 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.720 entire season on defense, it's been it's been kind of 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.920 a wash for him. Yeah, but this is an opportunity 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.320 for him. He's healthy. Now I can say, i'm i'm, I'm. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.160 I think they're gonna throw him out there as a starter. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.080 I really do. He had five defensive snaps in nine 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.600 special teams set. He has barely been on the field 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.680 defensively this season. Well, it's time, It's time, It is time, 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.880 it is time get out there. Some key injuries happened 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.320 on Thursday. Ask a question real quick of you. Yeah, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.280 you said it's time, And I like what you're saying there. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.320 I like that atitude. By the way, is it is 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.040 it time to see other things? For for Jordan Lewis? 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.200 Are you okay with Jordan Lewis? Are you more disappointed 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:13.400 in Jordan Lewis or Anthony Brown, I think, and who 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.360 would you who's both? I think both of those guys 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.400 have hit a wall and we're seeing diminishing returns from both. Right, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.880 I think you know, but you keep you keep you 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.000 have to keep rolling with Yeah, but I don't know 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.280 that you have to keep starting them, right. Brown surprises 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.840 you a little bit more because of the time he 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.120 got last year. I think he made nine starts last year. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.120 I think you expect an incline. Nicky wrote down what 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:44.080 the coach said, confidence, right, technique, frustration. You know somebody 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.760 when I all about Brown, I can't remember who. I 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.800 asked this too about Brown kind of surprising and the 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.600 answer was, I worry about his catchup speed, like he 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.560 can't run down a guy after he gets beat. And 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.160 I don't know if that's what we're seeing here. I'll 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.360 tell you another thing that he didn't do well. He 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.920 doesn't play zone well. He gets lost out there. And 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.320 I saw the other day they were uh working on 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.400 just backpedaling and kind of breaking on the ball, play 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.960 zone reacting. Yeah, and I don't think he I don't 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.480 think he's good at that, and they I thought, Now, 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.880 I don't know. I didn't watch every play, but it's 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.040 just felt like they were playing a lot of zone 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.160 and they were getting lost. They got caught last I asked. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.800 I asked Jason this question the other day about did 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.400 they have communication problems because you look at some of 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:41.400 the big plays open. Yeah, and to me, you shouldn't 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.760 have guys that open. Yea. They get ready for Washington. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.360 We all know the Redskins. Yeah, they're gonna run crossing 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:52.080 rout these guys. That's all they do is run crossing routes. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.240 I don't know if you're if you're Jay Gruden and 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.760 you're not sitting there going my gosh. We just keep 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.280 running crossing routes all day. They're not gonna pick anybody up, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.320 so get ready for that. Maybe that's why you're going 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.440 to see some of these switches. I think the key though, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.200 again is pressure because their offensive line isn't any healthy. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.359 It's barely healthier than it was a few weeks. That 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.640 is a fair point. They had three starters out last week. Again, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.440 that's a fair point. They are. They're a banged up group. Yeah, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.920 but how many points did they score? Twenty? Enough to 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.360 beat the Giants, enough to beat the Cowboys Yeah, that's 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.720 enough to beat the Cowboys scored the way he thinks 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.560 ten points might be good enough to beat the Cowboys 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.320 could win ten nine. Yeah, we've seen that before six 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.719 one time, Thursday's game going the way it did. In 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.639 what way in the aspect that they would just feel 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:44.600 so lackluster? Lackluster or where they just send them the Rams? 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.800 The Chargers just a better team. I mean, they have 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.200 great players, there's no doubt about that. They're an NFL franchise, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.119 But I mean this was a team that started oh 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.119 and four, you know, yeah, they've boy've won five of 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.359 the last seven and they're in the Hunt's I agree 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.320 that's that's true. But to Tay's point, I think offensively, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.399 we've been talking about the defense. You just don't expect 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:10.520 three straight games of just because we've never seen it 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.600 in the history of the franchise. Why not because you 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:15.640 what have you seen? What have you seen the first 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.680 two games that made you feel any different? The first 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.160 two games of the season, first, the first two games 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.040 of this this Horde straight three games? Yeah, what has 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.880 made you feel any different about this defense? Well, I'm 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.440 not expecting thirty points a game, but I'm expecting every 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.440 now and then to hit a big play down five stops. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.960 You got five three and outs against the Eagles, I 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.320 mean against the Chargers, they gave up twenty two points. 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.800 I'm talking about offensively, I could win twenty two points, right. 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.480 What makes you feel any different though? What makes me 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.679 feel different? Yeah? In terms of in terms of what 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.280 the offense. I just think you still have enough talent 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.120 to be able to make to adjust without Zeke back, 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.520 And you and I have been in Yeah, that was 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.720 mainly the key thing for me was I thought, Okay, 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.760 you're going to protect better, You're gonna be able to 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:02.960 have time to move down the field and make some 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.159 downfield vertical plays, and they didn't get them. And you 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.160 and I have been in agreement all year long. Zeke's 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.520 the MVP of this offensive team. But I am surprised 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.240 at how much they've struggled offensively. I still expect them 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.440 to get out of it. But I mean, Mickey wrote 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.080 about it on Friday. We have never seen a Cowboys 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.040 offense struggle this much in a three game stretch ever. Ever. Yeah, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:29.120 one in fifteen leveted one. Oh, they always score point 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.760 three years didn't have a quarterback, right, three years to. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:33.840 I mean, I've been a part of some really bad 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:38.240 football teams around here, but still scored ten points. I know, 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.040 I know, but you know, and they're looking for answers 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.640 over there. Believe me, they're astraighted as anybody. But it's 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.120 tough go around. I think there's a well, let's take 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.600 our first break and then let's do what you're saying 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.359 as far as going down, I want to go around 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.200 and ask each one of you a question that that's perfect. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.439