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Speaker 1: landlubbers again, so we're sharing some classic episodes as we

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Speaker 2: Are exactly, everything is still moving. A little bit for me,

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Speaker 2: nor is it lava. While we were out there on

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Speaker 1: What's that contrails or chem trail. Yeah, and Dylan, you

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Speaker 1: were just pointing out that apparently there have been fewer

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Speaker 1: chem trails because of the government shutdown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so get out there, breathe the fresh air, enjoy

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Speaker 1: your chem trail free life while lasts. I'm sorry I

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Speaker 2: Well, I got some opinions, man, that's right. Oh shoot,

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Speaker 2: I think all we need to set up this episode

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Speaker 2: is for you to know that KEM trails and what

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Speaker 1: Orsi?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I like that I love those.

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Speaker 1: Raphael Baby least favorite teenager, Ninja Turtle.

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Speaker 2: Actually he's the hardest one though.

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Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of complicated issues.

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Speaker 2: He's in that bath of you remember, Yeah, I remember?

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Speaker 1: But anyway, what do we need to know, Matt?

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Speaker 2: What do we need to know? We need to know

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Speaker 2: that they're kind of one and the same, but not really,

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Speaker 1: Might just help solve global warming. It's a weird pitch

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Speaker 1: because kim trails are often seen as a villainous thing.

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Speaker 1: But what if they could be the key to saving

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Speaker 2: Oh I hope, so, I hope.

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Speaker 1: So we sure did. Back in twenty twenty. This is

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Speaker 1: our classic episode.

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Speaker 2: Disclaimer don't doesn't really have many opinions about conspiracy theories

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Speaker 2: around KEM.

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Speaker 3: Trails, from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History

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Speaker 3: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now

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Speaker 3: or learn the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 1: They called me Ben. We were joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul, Mission Control Deck, and most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are here and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Now we're recording at a slightly

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Speaker 1: How are you doing. How was your weekend?

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Speaker 4: Well, Matt has been off on adventures, as you would say,

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Speaker 4: Ben and I think we have both missed him very much. Matt,

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Speaker 4: how is your weekend? I know you were playing with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just got these new binormal mics. I was

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you occupied yourself productively during your time off.

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Speaker 2: I did good times. Missed you guys. Thanks for you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, we saved this episode for you, specifically, Matt. This

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Speaker 1: We always talk about our call in line, the various

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this person called in after we did I

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Speaker 1: You know, we've been in our writer's room, we got

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Speaker 1: The everybody knew it was a real conspiracy. It was

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Speaker 1: Proposed solutions for global warming include things like a carbon tax.

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Speaker 1: that's interesting, the world is recovering right now because people

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Speaker 1: are flying less, they're traveling less, they're we're we're producing

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Speaker 1: fewer things. This is actually a record breaking year for

439
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Speaker 1: alternative energy in a couple of places in Western Europe,

440
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Speaker 1: like there are a couple of countries that have gone

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Speaker 1: completely free from coal or have drastically reduced their usage

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Speaker 1: of it. But to your point, Matt, even taxing people

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Speaker 1: for fossil fuels, even you know, making it cheaper for

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Speaker 1: them to use solar geothermal hydroelectric energy, that's still not enough.

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Speaker 1: And so the question is what if we tried something else,

446
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Speaker 1: Because there's another answer here, just maybe, just maybe remember

447
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Speaker 1: those epic giant volcanic eruptions. What if we could just

448
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Speaker 1: sort of, you know, do that. Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the reason why we would want to do

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Speaker 2: that is because it actually has a cooling effect, a

451
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Speaker 2: measurable cooling effect anytime a giant volcano explodes. So the

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Speaker 2: mimicking that there were talking about here, it's it's a thing.

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Speaker 2: It's real. It's a proposed solution, or part of a

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Speaker 2: proposed solution to global climate change. And it's called stratospheric

455
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Speaker 2: aerosol injection. Oh boy, it's it's certainly well, let's say

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Speaker 2: at this point it is a theoretical solution, but it

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Speaker 2: is a it is a geoengineering technique that could possibly

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Speaker 2: happen in the near future and a way to combat

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Speaker 2: man made temperature rise on planet Earth.

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Speaker 4: Right, Like, geoengineering is sort of a blanket term for

461
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Speaker 4: things like that could include everything from cloud seating. Is

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Speaker 4: this notion of you know, changing the weather through science,

463
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Speaker 4: and this is just you know, one of numerous techniques

464
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Speaker 4: and technologies, some more theoretical than others, but this one

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Speaker 4: does seem to be, you know, something that could absolutely

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Speaker 4: be implemented. And so geoengineering in terms of like you know,

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Speaker 4: cooling the Earth's temperatures, there's two kind of big paths

468
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Speaker 4: that you could go down. The first would be this

469
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Speaker 4: concept of sucking up all of the kind of scattered

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Speaker 4: CO two particles in greenhouse gases that are already in

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Speaker 4: the atmosphere, sort of hoovering them up. And then the

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Speaker 4: second would be solar radiation management, i e. Affecting the

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Speaker 4: way the Sun's rays interact with the atmosphere. And that

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Speaker 4: is absolutely where SAI comes in.

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Speaker 1: And SAI stands for stratospheric aerosol injection, not the not

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Speaker 1: the you know, catchiest of terms. It sounds a little technical,

477
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Speaker 1: and it should because it is, but it's pretty wild. Okay,

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Speaker 1: are we talking about impersonating volcanoes, yes, kind of. But

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Speaker 1: walk with us here, you know, let us finish the pitch.

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Speaker 1: What if we took a ton of balloons, right, or

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Speaker 1: airships or drones or lanes or you know what, missiles,

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Speaker 1: why not artillery, and we just sent them up in

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Speaker 1: the stratosphere to release sulfates into the air. To the

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Speaker 1: point about cloud seating, this is something this is similar

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Speaker 1: to the stuff that the government of China and the

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Speaker 1: government of the United States, as well as the government

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Speaker 1: of the United Kingdom have all done in the past.

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Speaker 1: With cloud seating, you disperse I believe it's silver iodide,

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Speaker 1: and the idea is that it will attract moisture droplets

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Speaker 1: so you can form clouds. Cloud seating is all about

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Speaker 1: forming clouds. Orgone Energy is all about busting clouds. You

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Speaker 1: can check out both of those episodes for more information.

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Speaker 1: But we would be doing this on a much larger scale.

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Speaker 2: And a much higher scale.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, literally literally to what you were saying earlier, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Volcanoes do this naturally. When they erupt, they shoot tons

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Speaker 1: of aerosol particles in the air and they create something

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Speaker 1: that is known as global dimming. The particles released by volcanoes.

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Speaker 1: If the volcano is large enough for a time, they

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Speaker 1: run a sort of scrimmage line of filter between the

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Speaker 1: Earth's surface and the sun. They reduce the amount of

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Speaker 1: light and heat that enters the atmosphere. So you can

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Speaker 1: see the logic start to form here, right.

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Speaker 2: And SAI is going to try and mimic this by

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Speaker 2: delivering sulfide gases the same kind of stuff, sulfur dioxide,

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Speaker 2: hydrogen sulfide, sulfuric acid. Way up. But we're talking around

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Speaker 2: sixty thousand feet into the air. It's the mesosphere and stratosphere,

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Speaker 2: and we currently don't we're going to talk about this,

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Speaker 2: but there's no real good way to do that at

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Speaker 2: sixty thousand feet right now. We'll get into that. But

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Speaker 2: the research shows that if we could do this effectively

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Speaker 2: and enough, this would or could at least counter chain

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Speaker 2: just to temperature as well as temperatures in the oceans,

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Speaker 2: change the water temperature back to a place where animals

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Speaker 2: could live, you know, instead of just die with the

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Speaker 2: ocean acidification and all the other things that are happening.

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Speaker 2: And here's the other thing too, It's not like this

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Speaker 2: would be a crazy slow process. You shoot all this

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Speaker 2: stuff up into the stratosphere and then you got to

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Speaker 2: wait and wait and wait. No, it would happen pretty

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Speaker 2: quickly if we did it right.

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Speaker 4: So you're saying we should pump sulfuric acid up into

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Speaker 4: the sky. That was that? Is that what I'm getting here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Not you like the UU, I mean the U of

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Speaker 4: Science or whoever's saying this. That sounds that sounds like

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Speaker 4: there could be some issues.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna blot out the sun nul.

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Speaker 1: So why haven't we done it right? That's the question.

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Speaker 1: Why haven't you know? I don't know about you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm sold. Why haven't we just shot a ton of

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Speaker 1: of a sulfur dioxide so two hydrogen sulfide sulfuric acid

533
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Speaker 1: into the sky? I mean, God knows, we're putting out

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Speaker 1: a plenty of pollution as it is. What's a little

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Speaker 1: more Let's answer that question because spoiler alert, it turns

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Speaker 1: out there are some issues with stratospheric aerosol injection, and

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Speaker 1: we'll explore them after a word from our sponsors. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: First off, what's the bottom line? Right you're saying you're saying,

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Speaker 1: Matt Michigan con troll nol Ben. Let's talk turkey. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this isn't happening because it's crazy expensive. Well, we have

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Speaker 1: some weird news for you. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Strangely enough, it's not that expensive, because you know, we

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Speaker 4: kind of mentioned this earlier in the show.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty low tech.

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Speaker 4: Ultimately, I mean, you know, it involves planes or drones

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Speaker 4: or balloons or airships or what have you. But it's

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Speaker 4: stuff that we already have, and we could even use artillery.

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Speaker 4: We could actually fire these chemicals up into the atmosphere.

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Speaker 4: The chemicals are super easy to obtain, so that's not

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Speaker 4: really an issue at all. I think I saw some

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Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, it's not like this has

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Speaker 4: been like, you know, spreadsheeted out exactly yet, but I

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Speaker 4: saw somewhere it would only be in the handful of

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Speaker 4: billions of dollars, not like the trillions. You know, it

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Speaker 4: would definitely be costly in terms of like you know,

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Speaker 4: you or I money, but in terms of government big

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Speaker 4: brother money, it's kind of a drop in the bucket.

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Speaker 2: Well, so, okay, maybe my understanding is off here. The

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Speaker 2: way I've been thinking about this from some of the

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Speaker 2: writing was that it would take years right now, as

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Speaker 2: of right now, it would take years to engineer a

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Speaker 2: plane that would be needed to make these like to

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Speaker 2: keem trail style seed this stuff out there into the

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Speaker 2: atmosphere because of the altitude that the planes would have

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Speaker 2: to or the jets would have to operate at, and

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Speaker 2: because you're they're my understanding is around sixty thousand feet

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Speaker 2: is where you need to put the stuff, all these chemicals,

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Speaker 2: and then you would have to make constant runs. Basically,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you would have a fleet of enough planes

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Speaker 2: that are just going up there. I don't know the

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Speaker 2: exact frequency, but let's say just for sake of argument,

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Speaker 2: every day. And they would also have to carry enough

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Speaker 2: of a payload at sixty thousand feet to actually make

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Speaker 2: it worth the trip.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I don't mean to imply that it would

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Speaker 4: be like, yes, we're ready to roll with this yesterday,

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Speaker 4: but I mean, the basis of the technology exists, it

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Speaker 4: would obviously require some retro fitting to you know, you'd

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Speaker 4: end up with some kind of hybrid vehicle somewhere between

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Speaker 4: a regular plane and like a spacecraft, because you it

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Speaker 4: would need to have some of those protections to be

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Speaker 4: able to go to that altitude, but the chemicals are available,

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Speaker 4: the technology, the basis of it. We don't have to

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Speaker 4: reinvent the wheel. We just kind of have to improve

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Speaker 4: it a little bit to make it happen.

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Speaker 1: One thing that I think is this is something where

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you, fellow conspiracy realists. The

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Speaker 1: science here is looking pretty sound, but we as a

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Speaker 1: global community, we as a species, are still kind of

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Speaker 1: in the brainstorming phase. So if you have an idea

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Speaker 1: about how this was about how best to deliver this,

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Speaker 1: if you're in favor of it, which not everybody is,

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Speaker 1: then let us know. You know, hit us up conspiracy

596
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: at iHeartRadio dot com or any of the various ways

597
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: you want to find us. You know, our Facebook page

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Speaker 1: will probably blow up with some weird threads about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're you're both right here. It's not super expensive.

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Speaker 1: The technology exists, it needs tweaking because, for instance, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the first things I thought about was what

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Speaker 1: about recoverable ICBMs intercontinental ballistic missiles. Some of those can go,

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Speaker 1: could function high enough, but they don't have at least

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Speaker 1: them aware. They don't have the seeding kind of apparatus,

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Speaker 1: right they can't really be the crop dusters for the

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Speaker 1: stratosphere that we need. So it's like we do have

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Speaker 1: all the technology, but we don't have it all in

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Speaker 1: the one thing we need. Right, we have some stuff

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Speaker 1: that can do task A, we have some stuff that

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Speaker 1: can do task B. We need something that can just

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Speaker 1: do the alphabet of the task in a one stop shop.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, to your point, we can make or obtain

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Speaker 1: the chemicals. This is so weird. Reminds me of the

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Speaker 1: Mister Show sketch about blowing up the Moon because they

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Speaker 1: figured out they could do it. Yeah, and we figured

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Speaker 1: out we could do it. But here's the problem. So

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Speaker 1: if we know that theoretically we're really close to being

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Speaker 1: able to do this, the technology is there, we just

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Speaker 1: need to get the perfect remix. We have to ask

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Speaker 1: ourselves how efficient will it be, what will the efficacy be?

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Speaker 1: Will this actually work? And this is a big sticking

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Speaker 1: point something we talked a little bit about in the

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Speaker 1: course of today's episode. Those chemicals so two and all,

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Speaker 1: it's the rest of its entourage. They're short lived, and

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing for the bulk of human history

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Speaker 1: because that's the reason that a volcanic eruption, even a

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Speaker 1: massive one, doesn't put us out of the game forever.

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Speaker 1: That's the reason why we're not living in some horrible,

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Speaker 1: a different kind of horrible situation. The aerosol chemicals there

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Speaker 1: can only be where we really need them to be

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Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, maybe one or two months,

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Speaker 1: and we would have to be and that's if we're

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent certain that the particles are the right size.

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Speaker 1: That makes a huge difference. And that's also why we

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Speaker 1: would have to institute a program. So like that number

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Speaker 1: eighteen billion is kind of a is kind of a watermark.

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Speaker 1: We hear as a get started, right, it's a get

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Speaker 1: started number. I just want to say, for the record,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos, if you're listening, I see that now as

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Speaker 1: of May eighteenth, twenty twenty, your net worth is over

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Speaker 1: an estimated one hundred and forty billion dollars. And if

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Speaker 1: we call this kind of earth saving bond villain working

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Speaker 1: for Good project twenty billion dollars, then that means you,

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Speaker 1: Jeff alone, can do this seven times. You can you

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Speaker 1: can attempt to save the world in this way seven times.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing, among many things and sticky parts

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Speaker 4: of this whole concept. I mean it would require like

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Speaker 4: global consensus, right, like I mean it would it would

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Speaker 4: to do it in a way that benefited every everyone,

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Speaker 4: and like a single unilateral kind of like you know,

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Speaker 4: implementation of this. It would require the kind of un

652
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Speaker 4: level cooperation that we just don't really typically see. And

653
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Speaker 4: also again this is this is very new, I mean

654
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Speaker 4: not super new, but like new in the scale of civilization,

655
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Speaker 4: new technology, and this concept. So I've read there's a

656
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Speaker 4: lot of you know, varying opinions about this, And one

657
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Speaker 4: thing that I've read is that it wouldn't be a

658
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: one size fits all for all regions. Like there would

659
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Speaker 4: be potentially regions that would not benefit from this and

660
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Speaker 4: that could be actually harmed by this and could harm

661
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Speaker 4: agriculture in certain regions. And this thing could like you

662
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: know benefit you know, certain areas of the country, and

663
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Speaker 4: then there are other areas that it could actually harm

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Speaker 4: in terms of like their normal you know, levels of

665
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Speaker 4: agricultural output that it could really you know, have a

666
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Speaker 4: have a negative effect on that. Have you guys seen

667
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Speaker 4: anything about about these these.

668
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Speaker 2: Issues, Yeah, for sure. In the American Meteorological Society put

669
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Speaker 2: out a statement in twenty thirteen, yes, twenty thirteen, where

670
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Speaker 2: they talked about some of these issues, and you know,

671
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: similarly to other major hard problems that are out there.

672
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Speaker 2: They basically were saying, hey, we need more research on

673
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: all of this stuff, the potential for everything. We need

674
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: to study historical, ethical, legal, and social implications that this

675
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: geoengineering could have across the planet in different places, and

676
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: we need to develop and analyze policy options. So basically,

677
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Speaker 2: it's the same thing that we've seen time and time

678
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Speaker 2: again for decades now when it comes to hard problems

679
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: like climate change, and it's everybody doesn't want to deal

680
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Speaker 2: with it while they're in office. That's what it feels

681
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Speaker 2: like to me. I mean, the Meteorological Society is correct

682
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Speaker 2: that we need way more research, We need way more

683
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Speaker 2: information on this before we act. But if we don't

684
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Speaker 2: act soon in some major way, what do we do.

685
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: It's already too late. It's just it's a tough thing.

686
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Speaker 2: Just last thing here is David David Keith. I got

687
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Speaker 2: it wrong. I said I think I said he was

688
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Speaker 2: with Stanford. He spoke at Stanford. He's from the University

689
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Speaker 2: of Calgary. That's that's my bad. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: Professor Keith Yeah, he's got a it's got a great,

691
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Speaker 1: great lecture on this. It runs a little more than

692
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Speaker 1: an hour, but if you're interested in it, he goes

693
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Speaker 1: through the different angles. He's really spent spent some time

694
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Speaker 1: on the cognitive road with this one. I do want

695
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Speaker 1: to mention too that, like many macro level changes, global

696
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Speaker 1: proposed changes. First off, yes, obviously, as you know longtime listeners,

697
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: human beings cannot agree on anything, and the greater good

698
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: is a very dangerous subjective to kind of rorshack ink blot,

699
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: and so we know that humans probably won't cooperate. I

700
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Speaker 1: think to your point, Matt, it's especially instructive to look

701
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Speaker 1: back over you know the weakness of democracy. And now

702
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Speaker 1: I'm not arguing for authoritarianism or fascism or whatever, but

703
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: I will point out that we've seen time and time again.

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Speaker 1: You know, people who are elected for two four or

705
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Speaker 1: six years tend to focus on things that will show

706
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Speaker 1: results within two four to six years. You're not gonna

707
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Speaker 1: if you're if you're a president asking someone to to

708
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Speaker 1: sacrifice literally anything about their life because it'll be better

709
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: in twenty five years, you're probably not going to get

710
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Speaker 1: re elected. And it doesn't it really doesn't matter what

711
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: you believe, how right or wrong you are. People are like, hey, buddy,

712
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Speaker 1: I elected you for two four to six years, and

713
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Speaker 1: that is the metric upon which you are being graded.

714
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Speaker 1: We're just, you know, as humans, we just suck at

715
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Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. So I don't even think it's

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Speaker 1: corporations necessarily being insidious. We're just very It's the tragedy

717
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: of the commons, right, we're very, very bad at allowing

718
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Speaker 1: other people to exist, whether there are people who are

719
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Speaker 1: alive at the same time as us, whether there are

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Speaker 1: people who inherit the earth we leave behind, and that's like,

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Speaker 1: that goes across the board. I'm sorry, there's not a

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Speaker 1: person alive who doesn't have a problem with that is

723
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Speaker 1: the solution. Then that we is the solution. Then some

724
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Speaker 1: kind of world government, some kind of AI that says, hey, look,

725
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Speaker 1: you know, we know that this is going to hurt

726
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Speaker 1: people in parts of the world. You know, specifically, we

727
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Speaker 1: know this is going to hurt some very disadvantaged people

728
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Speaker 1: who don't have the infrastructure or the technology to deal

729
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Speaker 1: with the famine that we would be creating. We would

730
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Speaker 1: be creating this. We know that volcanic eruptions like volcanic

731
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Speaker 1: eruptions have been linked to famine in the nineteen nineties

732
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Speaker 1: because of that global dimming, the crops don't grow, and

733
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Speaker 1: this is just going to exacerbate the horrific living conditions

734
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Speaker 1: for some people who are already living in dire straits

735
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Speaker 1: right now without without any SAI and volcanic eruptions you know,

736
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Speaker 1: leading to famine are just are just one example of

737
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Speaker 1: the delettorious side effects that would occur. You know, the

738
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Speaker 1: thing about this is we're essentially we're shooting stuff into

739
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Speaker 1: the atmosphere, and that stuff, even if it's very tiny,

740
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Speaker 1: is still at the whims of gravity. That means that

741
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Speaker 1: these particles, depending on how they are distributed or dispersed,

742
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: could return to Earth surface, and if they do, they

743
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: can worsen existing medical conditions. They if you have asthma,

744
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: you want to stay away from these chemicals, but imagine

745
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: if they just start raining down on you. And then

746
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's all about placement. It could be good

747
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: for us for a little while if we get the

748
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Speaker 1: right size particles in the right place, but if we

749
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Speaker 1: put them in the wrong place, like if we put

750
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Speaker 1: them in the stratospheric clouds at Earth's poles, they could

751
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Speaker 1: damage the ozone layer, which doesn't you know, which has

752
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Speaker 1: been having a hard time lately in.

753
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Speaker 4: General, and not to mention that it could potentially reduce

754
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: global rainfall around the world, especially in the summer when

755
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 4: you've got these monsoon seasons, and there's some pretty solid

756
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Speaker 4: scientific evidence that links volcanic eruption to famine and Ethiopia

757
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: in the nineties, So maybe not the best move to,

758
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: you know, approximate the effects of tons of volcanic explosions,

759
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: because who knows what the side effects could be. It

760
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 4: really does feel like, you know, the way things are

761
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 4: kind of fast tracked through, like FDA approval, and then

762
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden we realize what the side effects

763
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Speaker 4: are once it's actually out there in the world, and

764
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Speaker 4: it's kind of hard to put those badgers back in.

765
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Speaker 2: Those those bags.

766
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Speaker 4: So I don't know, it's it's I always am concerned with, Oh,

767
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 4: let's just give it a try, Let's just shoot it

768
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Speaker 4: up there and see what happens.

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Speaker 2: You know.

770
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Speaker 4: I feel like there definitely needs to be more research.

771
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Speaker 2: What we need is a giant vacuum that just sucks

772
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: all the co two up, or it needs to be

773
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: an ionized pull of some sorts that's attached to a plane,

774
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: you know, like sixty thousand feet and just gets all

775
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: the co two.

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Speaker 4: You know, like a shop back whoop, never mind, suck it.

777
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Speaker 2: Remember from the office? Never mind? I do?

778
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 5: Remember?

779
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: Okay, good?

780
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Speaker 4: And you know, you can't deny that this SAI or

781
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 4: any of this geo engineering stuff is really just a

782
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: band aid, and it's just kind of a quick fix

783
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: so that we don't have to think on a longer timeline,

784
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Speaker 4: which you know, governments and incorporate well, governments specifically been

785
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: to your point, have proven pretty incapable of doing. I mean,

786
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Speaker 4: even the current situation we find ourselves in with COVID nineteen,

787
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 4: we see the government just kind of like wringing their

788
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: hands and pulling their hair out with even attempting to

789
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Speaker 4: think about things more than two weeks out in the future.

790
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Speaker 4: I mean, it just seems, you know, absolutely mind boggling

791
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Speaker 4: to think about something on as long a timeline as

792
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Speaker 4: climate change requires. And it's why you start getting, you know,

793
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 4: this rhetoric around the idea that it's not real, that

794
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: it's some kind of hoax, and it really is just

795
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Speaker 4: kind of an excuse to not do anything about it.

796
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Speaker 4: And that is exactly what this technology would be as

797
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Speaker 4: an excuse to not do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: I like that phrase. Yeah, yeah, it's a new space

799
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: age way of kicking the can down the road. Huh.

800
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Speaker 1: So it's interesting too, because what we're telling you is

801
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 1: that despite all of the people who have you know,

802
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: pooh poohed the idea of kim trails or said, you know,

803
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: I am a skeptic, kim trails do not exist. This

804
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: is our what second episode in a few months proving

805
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: that things like chem trails are very much on the

806
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: in the front of the mind of the of certain

807
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: areas of the scientific community. This is a chim trail

808
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: proposal essentially. And you know, Matt, I cannot read your

809
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: mind because we are recording virtually here, but I do.

810
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Speaker 1: I was thinking of you during the research for this,

811
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Speaker 1: and I have to ask you, does this not sound

812
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: just a little bit like what humans did in the

813
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: Ai battle that like precedes the events of the Matrix.

814
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Speaker 1: They blought out the sun.

815
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Speaker 2: Yes, it sounds exactly like that. In fact, in that movie,

816
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: they blot out the sun because all the machines use

817
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: solar energy. Right, That's the whole concept there. In our case,

818
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: we're just trying to blot out the sun to make

819
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: it a little less hot, just a little bit.

820
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but when they do that and the maystrix, don't

821
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Speaker 4: the machines adapt and figure out how to like harvest

822
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Speaker 4: energy from like human spines and brains. Yes, this will

823
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: become the batteries, Isn't it just like a band aid

824
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Speaker 4: that creates a much much worse situation.

825
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Speaker 2: Not to put too fine a point on it now,

826
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Speaker 2: as large as an impact as that movie had on me,

827
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Speaker 2: it is just a movie, guys. But it feels like

828
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Speaker 2: maybe a bad call because it made most of the

829
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Speaker 2: surface of the Earth uninhabitable to humans, if because it

830
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Speaker 2: got out of hand essentially I'm imagining or well, no,

831
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Speaker 2: in that movie, it was extreme case, right where they

832
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: actually wanted to do all the giant volcano explosions to

833
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: blot out the sun. And in our case, we're trying

834
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Speaker 2: to do a moderate number of giant volcanic explosions controlled

835
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Speaker 2: over time through aerosol injection. So really, guys, there's nothing

836
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: to worry about. We're fine, we should just do it.

837
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Speaker 1: Why not, you know what I mean? Yippie kaya, right,

838
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: let's hop on the bomb and doctor Strange love it

839
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Speaker 1: down into Down into fame.

840
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Speaker 4: Guys, if I may just do a little sarcasm alert here,

841
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: sarcasm alert, please do not read the things Ben and

842
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: Matt just said as there as them speaking their hearts.

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Speaker 2: That is all correct, But there's also well to an

844
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Speaker 2: extent at least, But there's also like you know, there

845
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: seems like there could be something here. We just don't

846
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 2: know enough yet, I would say, in my gut says,

847
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: it feels like a bad idea, but we have to

848
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Speaker 2: do something, and maybe this is one way to at

849
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Speaker 2: least attempt to tackle the problem.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it gives us a little more time to figure

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Speaker 1: out an actual solution, if I mean. That's why we

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00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: use the phrase band aid so often.

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00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The idea is that, you know, if all things go well,

855
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: which they never do, we will be able to fix something.

856
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: We'll be able to find a permanent solution, or at

857
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: least give our species and life on Earth here a

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Speaker 1: chance to move beyond this planet into the stars, which

859
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: is or a different dimensions, etc. But moving into the

860
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: stars is ultimately the goal of life on Earth, right,

861
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Speaker 1: That's what we've been kind of working for. That's our

862
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Speaker 1: big next season if we survive. One note on this,

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Speaker 1: experts believe that if we do practice stratospheric aerosol injections,

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Speaker 1: it will affect the color of this sky. Won't darken

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Speaker 1: it the way that the humans and the matrix did.

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Speaker 1: It will actually lead to something called sky whitening. Sunsets

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Speaker 1: will be more colorful, you will. It'll be the kind

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Speaker 1: of change that you can walk outside and notice. So

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Speaker 1: one of the questions I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are wondering, is is this already happening? Good news? Maybe

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Speaker 1: not yet. We would probably know whether this is the

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Speaker 1: case if it was, because there would be visible changes.

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Speaker 1: It would have to to the point we've made a

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Speaker 1: couple of times, it would have to be an all

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Speaker 1: at one situation. It would have to be global, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you could do cloud seating the way that Uncle

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Speaker 1: Sam did in Southeast Asia, and you could create regional floods.

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Speaker 1: But if you try to practice SAI in one region

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Speaker 1: of the world, it probably wouldn't do much. And if

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Speaker 1: it did something, it wouldn't be very helpful. Right, That's

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Speaker 1: the even bigger question. Should we do this well?

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Speaker 2: I would propose to you this Ben because of the

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Speaker 2: amount of scientific research that's been going into this. The

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Speaker 2: number of articles, scholarly articles you can find on this subject,

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Speaker 2: there are several, because there are several startups, like tech

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Speaker 2: startups that are trying to come up with a way

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Speaker 2: for this to be able to happen, at least starting

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Speaker 2: from the United States and then moving outward. It feels

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Speaker 2: like maybe there are some tests going on or some

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Speaker 2: tech being developed in the background, like for those planes,

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Speaker 2: for instance, that we were talking about, the ones that

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Speaker 2: have to go to very high altitude. I would suspect

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Speaker 2: that there's testing going on now, but that the actual

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Speaker 2: full on spraying is not happening for sure.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think should this happen out of

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Speaker 1: full scale knowing that we will, you know, if Earth

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Speaker 1: somehow agrees to do this, if we make this a priority,

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Speaker 1: we agree to we say, okay, the almost eight billion

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Speaker 1: of us are going to collectively impersonate volcanoes. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do it, you know, like every couple of months, just

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Speaker 1: to give us some more time to not destroy ourselves.

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Speaker 1: But we know that we are going to be killing

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Speaker 1: many people along the way. We're just not going to

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Speaker 1: be killing everybody. Is that the right thing?

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Speaker 2: To do.

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Speaker 1: Is Spock right when he says the needs of the

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Speaker 1: many outweigh the needs of the few. Is this a

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Speaker 1: true case of greater good? And if that's not the solution,

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Speaker 1: then what is we want to hear from you? You

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Speaker 1: can find us. We're all over the internet.

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Speaker 2: In most places we are conspiracy stuff. Sometimes conspiracy stuff show.

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Speaker 2: I believe that's Instagram. You can, you know, contact us

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Speaker 2: on all those places. Tell us what you think. You

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Speaker 2: with other fellow conspiracy realists about this episode and others

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Speaker 2: and make suggestions.

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Speaker 5: You can also give us a call. You can absolutely

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Speaker 5: give us a call. We are one eight three three

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Speaker 5: st d w y t K. That is basically a

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Speaker 5: direct line to Matt Frederick's personal cell phone device where

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Speaker 5: he is. He's awaiting your call.

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Speaker 2: That's right, I sit here patiently waiting for you to

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Speaker 2: ring patiently. No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It actually goes to all of us.

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Speaker 4: But Matt has been just an absolute champion of this

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Speaker 4: line and has been known to give people a ring

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Speaker 4: back occasionally. So I pitched this as a as a feature.

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Speaker 4: I know Matt might pitch it as a bug, but

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Speaker 4: I think it's a positive thing.

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Speaker 2: If you give Matt, if you give.

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Speaker 4: Us a call, you might just get a follow up

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Speaker 4: from our boy, Matt Frederick.

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Speaker 2: Is that a Caine ben Bolin? What is that that

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at? Umbrella?

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked Matt. It's actually my trustee

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Speaker 1: and you can see it. It's my trustee Cane Sword.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice. Oh that's so cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I can't take it to the airport, but it's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's fun to walk around with. And if you are

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Speaker 1: even if the sky changes color on you.

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