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Speaker 1: and an update in August of twenty twenty one. Since then,

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Speaker 1: our understanding is that some powerful people in the Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles District Attorney's Office under the leadership of George Gascon,

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Speaker 1: listened to our coverage and agreed that Kevin deserved relief.

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Speaker 1: He was resentenced, paroled, and released from prison on February

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Speaker 1: twenty first, twenty twenty four. We are so happy that

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Speaker 1: to hope for his full exoneration. Please check the episode description.

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Speaker 1: There's a link to his cash ap. He needs our

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Speaker 1: help as he struggles to get his life back together

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Speaker 1: after thirty eight long years in prison. Here's our coverage

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Speaker 1: of his story. As a child, in the late nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Dykes accidentally killed his best friend when they were

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Speaker 1: playing with a gun, sending him to juvie for involuntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 1: When he got out, he turned to petty drug dealing

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Speaker 1: in Compton, California. Fast forward to nineteen eighty six. After

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Speaker 1: Kevin continued peddling drugs from his temporary wheelchair for two

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Speaker 1: men named Slim and Hondo. Kevin rented a bed and

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Speaker 1: Hondo occasionally hit weapons. That June, two incidents occurred just

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Speaker 1: days apart, resulting in one murder and two attempted murders.

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Speaker 1: The first during a party, when Kevin booted his friend

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Speaker 1: Ephram for being belligerently drunk. Slim and Hondo followed he from,

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Speaker 1: Kevin's friend Otis Perry of stealing their gun from Kevin's trailer,

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Speaker 1: A few days after that, Kevin was arrested for cocaine

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Speaker 1: possession and put into a special holding tank for state's witnesses.

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Speaker 1: Then three jailhouse snitches claimed that Kevin had confessed to

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Speaker 1: all three attacks in exchange for leniency in their own cases.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Dykes is serving life in prison on the word

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Speaker 1: of three notorious jailhouse snitches. This is Wrongful Conviction with

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Speaker 1: Jason flamm Wrongful Conviction has always given voice to innocent

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Wrawful Conviction with Jason Flomp. Today we

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Speaker 1: have an incredible story, so we're going to get right

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Speaker 1: Stephen K. Howser. He's a criminal defense attorney representing the

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Speaker 1: star of this episode, Kevin Diyke. Stephen, Welcome to Wrongful Conviction.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: And Kevin Dykes is on the phone with us from prison,

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Speaker 1: and I hope we'll be able to do something about

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Speaker 1: his situation because it is awful. Kevin. I'm sorry you're

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Speaker 4: Being here, no problem, thank you for the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: This case goes back to Compton nineteen eighty six, and

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Speaker 1: it's got so much that you'll think I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: It's got drugs, it's got snitches that ended up on

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Speaker 1: And Kevin, let's start with you going back to your

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Speaker 1: As I understand it, your friend's death was entirely accidental,

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Speaker 1: So the guilt kind of derailed your potential, it seems.

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Speaker 1: Yes, someone tried to kidnap Kevin. So you fought them off,

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Speaker 1: You were renting a place to stay from a man

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Speaker 3: The night that these two attempting murders occurred outside a

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Speaker 4: Yes, oldly, my cousin Pam was inside the mobile home.

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Speaker 4: I was inside the house where the party was there

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Speaker 4: Yes, So once I stuck some both of them attacking,

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Speaker 4: I got them to stop. Told these communities. He left,

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Speaker 4: But the Amma's already came and it was the hospital.

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Speaker 1: So you basically saved Missus Bradley and Ephraim from being

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Speaker 1: come looking for Otis on June twenty thirty.

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Speaker 4: June twenty thirty, he came over looking for Otis like

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Speaker 4: I didn't actually believe that what was going on was

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is like nothing. I don't

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Speaker 3: When we got to court, all they had was his

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Speaker 3: But they did, and just before the verdict was issued,

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Speaker 3: he said, yeah, came mister Houser, I'm going to do that,

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Speaker 1: You were sentenced to twenty four years to life. Here

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Speaker 1: it is now twenty twenty. You're still in Could you

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Speaker 1: just take us back there, put us in that courtroom

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Speaker 4: I actually could not believe the verdant. You know, I

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Speaker 1: Can't anybody but this And this is something I really

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Speaker 1: That's a crime punishable by long time in jail. But

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Speaker 4: With the evidence. Where they get apartments, they say, oh,

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Speaker 3: What happened was Leslie White then went on sixty minutes

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Speaker 3: I said, well, now I know for sure you lied

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Speaker 1: GG Gordon, who's on the right side of this story,

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Speaker 1: and Willie Battles. We can't leave him out.

432
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Speaker 3: Yeah, when this snitch system came out thanks to Leslie White,

433
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: believe it or not, Gigi Gordon was appointed. She's a

434
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Speaker 3: defense lawyer. She's deceased now, but she was a criminal

435
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: defense lawyer friend of mine, and Gigi Gordon was appointed

436
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Speaker 3: by i think the Supreme Court to do an independent

437
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: investigation on all of the snitch cases to see if

438
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Speaker 3: justice was done. And she spent over a year on

439
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Speaker 3: this project, being paid by the state of California. And

440
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Speaker 3: as a result of Gigi Gordon's research and investigation, a

441
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Speaker 3: law was introduced in the legis to require corroboration if

442
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Speaker 3: snitch's testimony is going to be used in a case.

443
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Speaker 3: And that happened, but.

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Speaker 1: They didn't do it retroactively. Am I getting that right?

445
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Speaker 1: Because it always drives me nuts when we change a

446
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: law in this country and we don't do it retroactively.

447
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: How could it be different now than it was before.

448
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. Didn't make any sense to me,

449
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Speaker 3: and that's why I appealed it. We went to the

450
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Speaker 3: Pellate Court in California, then the Supreme Court, and actually

451
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Speaker 3: when we went to the Supreme Court the first time,

452
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Speaker 3: the law had not been changed.

453
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Speaker 1: Yet.

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Speaker 3: But then we went back to the Supreme Court on

455
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Speaker 3: another issue and the law had been changed, and in

456
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Speaker 3: federal court, the judge actually said that Kevin might be innocent,

457
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Speaker 3: but there's nothing I can do because this law is

458
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Speaker 3: not retroactive or something to that effect. And I just

459
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: thought that that was the most unjust result I've ever

460
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Speaker 3: had in my whole career. Still is wow. And so

461
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: if Kevin's case were tried now, they wouldn't have any

462
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 3: evidence against him because the only incriminating evidence was from

463
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Speaker 3: the snitch testimony.

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Speaker 1: If Kevin's case were to be tried now, they would

465
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: have no evidence against him. And yet it's thirty four

466
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: years later and he's I can't this is nuts.

467
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Speaker 3: I went to the district attorney with that very argument.

468
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: With each new district attorney that came in, I would

469
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 3: go talk to him and they told me that because

470
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: of his statement admitting what he did pretending to go

471
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: along with what is Slim and Honda were doing, because

472
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 3: of that statement, that made him guilty. And they said, sorry,

473
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: you have to present new evidence to us before we're

474
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 3: going to recommend anything for Kevin. And I said, what's

475
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: amount with these confessions by these snitches, that's new evidence

476
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 3: at least since the trial. Two out of three Leslie

477
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: White signed an affidavit that sent him put himself in prison,

478
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: and Jesse Williams signed a letter saying that he lied

479
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: in Kevin's case. He said, no, we want some more

480
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: than that. Plus you've got one snitch that you don't have,

481
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: you know, retraction from Willi Battle. We never had a

482
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 3: retraction from him. And Willie Battle I tried to find

483
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: but he's probably dead. So that's where we sit.

484
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: And what is the outlook now? I mean, is there hope?

485
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Speaker 3: I think Kevin has two hopes parole and with a

486
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: new DA. I thought Jackie Lacey was very progressive and

487
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: I had high hopes for Kevin when she put together

488
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: her Internal Innocent project and I met with what I

489
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: thought was a very ethical, fine lawyer, and I got

490
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: a very unfavorable result. And I asked him during that hearing,

491
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 3: I said, you know, as a human being, you know,

492
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: do you really think that Kevin Dykes was convicted properly fairly?

493
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: He wouldn't answer. He wouldn't give me an answer.

494
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: Nearly a year has gone by since we originally released

495
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: this episode in September twenty twenty and shortly thereafter in

496
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: La County, George Gascon was elected DA, and Steve, last

497
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: time we spoke, you said that one of the only

498
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: avenues left for a leaf for Kevin was that very

499
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: election victory. So you must have been really excited when

500
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: it became clear that Jackie Lacy was on her way

501
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: out and George Gascon was on his way in. I'm

502
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: imagining you must have jumped right into action on the

503
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Speaker 1: first business day of twenty twenty one.

504
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: That is correct, on January fourth, twenty twenty one, I

505
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: sent a letter to George Gascon, the new DA, alerting

506
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: him to Kevin's situation, and I was contacted shortly thereafter

507
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: by a deputy in his conviction integrity unit. She said

508
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: that she had reviewed the case and she agreed with

509
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: the former head of their integrity unit under Jackie Lacy

510
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: that taking out all of the snitch testimony and just

511
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: focusing in on Kevin's statement both to the police and

512
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: what he testified to a trial, which were both consistent,

513
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: that she felt that he was guilty because of what

514
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: he said he shared in the criminal intent to kill

515
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Speaker 3: his friend Otus, which I think was not reasonable. I

516
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 3: don't understand how a deputy district attorney can look at

517
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: the facts in this case, focusing on Kevin's own testimony

518
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: and come to the conclusion that he intended Otis's death,

519
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: that he wanted Otis to die, or that he wanted

520
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: his friend Ephraim to die or Missus Bradley to die. Now,

521
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: Ephram testified in court that Kevin was not a part

522
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: of the assault on his person or Missus Bradley. For

523
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: the district attorney to believe that Kevin convicted himself based

524
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: on his testimony of both the murder and the attempted

525
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: murders is beyond belief. For a second degree murder, there

526
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: has to be criminal intent. You have to share in

527
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: the intent of the stabbers in this case, Slim and

528
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: Hondo to kill Otis, and there's no proof of that

529
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: from Kevin's life. The only evidence of that is from

530
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: snitch testimony, which under today's law would be inadmissible.

531
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with good reason. I mean, let's face it,

532
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: snitch testimony for the state is almost always incentivized by

533
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: leniency in the snitch's charges, making that testimony as unreliable

534
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: as it could be. So this deputy in Gascon's CiU

535
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: wants to preserve this conviction, saying that Kevin's testimony reaches

536
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: the burden of proof for criminal intent, when in reality,

537
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: Kevin was essentially a hostage of Slim and Hondo until

538
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: he could finally get away. I mean, had he not

539
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: gone along with everything that happened in the aftermath of

540
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: Otis's death, Slim and Hondo would have been dumping both

541
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Kevin and Otis's bodies and we wouldn't even be having

542
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: this conversation or know what Slim and Hondo did. So

543
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: what was the end result of your discussion with Gascon's deputy.

544
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Were you able to work anything out?

545
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: After several back and forth conversations, she was going to

546
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: bring a motion for resentencing. This was apparently a new

547
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: law where they could go back into the trial court

548
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: and petitioned for a change of sentence. She said that

549
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 3: if Kevin would agree to change his plea from murder

550
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: to manslaughter, that they would go along with it, and

551
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: that he could then be sentenced to whatever the maximum

552
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: on manslaughter was, which is a lot less than thirty

553
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: five years that he's been in. So we're still waiting

554
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: for that. I don't know what's happened. But the district

555
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: attorney that I was talking to called me and told

556
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: me that there was some problem with them making this

557
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: motion because some judge might deny it or she wasn't

558
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: real clear on that, but that she invited me to

559
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: think of a way to get around the judge having

560
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: to make a decision to get Kevin out. So I suggested, well,

561
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: how about if I file another rit of habeas corpus

562
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: and if the district attorney doesn't oppose it, then the

563
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: judge can grant him a new trial, and once he

564
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: gets a new trial, then they can dismiss the case

565
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: because they don't have any evidence. They don't have any

566
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: admissible evidence, right.

567
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: The only evidence they had back then was the snitch testimony,

568
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: which was totally uncorroborated and therefore now inadmissible under the

569
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: law that resulted from Leslie White sixty minutes and the

570
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: subsequent investigation. Not to mention that Jesse Williams recanted, Leslie

571
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: White took a perjury charge and four years to undo

572
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: his damage to Kevin, and Willie Battles is presumed dead

573
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: or he might have done the same. So are they

574
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: gonna move forward with your habeas idea or are they

575
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: looking for something better to hang their hat on, considering

576
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: that your idea would prove that this conviction has absolutely

577
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: no integrity.

578
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what going to happen. It seems like

579
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: that they're just waiting for the parole hearing.

580
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: Right, Kevin is up for parole at the beginning of

581
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.

582
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: And if the DA's office does not oppose parole, he

583
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: will probably get released on parole. However, he will be

584
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: on parole for the rest of his life for a

585
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: crime that he did not commit, as well as having

586
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: served thirty five years for a crime that he did

587
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: not commit. I think that George Gascon himself has not

588
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: heard the evidence in this case. Once he realizes exactly

589
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: what went on in this case, I'm sure that he

590
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 3: will see that justice is done and Kevin will get released.

591
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: That's our hope as well, and anyone in our audience

592
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: who feels the same way, and I hope all of

593
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 1: you do, can scroll down to the link in the bio.

594
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: There's a petition to George Gascon to do just that.

595
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: He's a good man and he's a very reasonable person.

596
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: I mean, really, I honestly like to clone George. He's

597
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: that kind of guy. We hope that he and others

598
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: in his office could come around to our view. Kevin

599
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: would admit to anyone that he wasn't living with really

600
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: honorable life at that point. But in fact, ironically, it

601
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: was at this moment in his life that he did

602
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: something truly honorable. He went to Otis's mother and then

603
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: to the police to do the right thing. Does that

604
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: sound like the actions of someone possessing criminal intent.

605
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: Well, I know I need the ryting when I went

606
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 4: to the police ten and high total food, a total

607
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: food firm, and jury. Even now, I don't regret doing

608
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: the riating because he was love for his life and

609
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 4: it was important for his mother to know the food

610
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 4: what happen to her son. Maybe I wouldn't say that

611
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: while I'm in jail. He cast me a lot. I've

612
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 4: lost like seventeen family members. My mom's hands spoken to

613
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: you years ago. Now it talks me a lot. But

614
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: I was should do it even all this time. I

615
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 4: found ruin the last five years, so I'm at finding

616
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: with God in myself. So now it's like, you know what,

617
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: There's nothing I can do about what they've done. I'm

618
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 4: not gonna let them take what's rest that I got

619
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: in my speed and now my family is proud of me,

620
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 4: even though I've never done nothing, because I've changed my life.

621
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna keep pushing. I'm gonna keep believing I

622
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: got to so.

623
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Speaker 1: I got And with that we will now go to

624
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: closing arguments as they still ring true today with justice

625
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: delayed in this case, I first of all, thank you both.

626
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: Turn my microphone off, leave my headphones on, close my eyes,

627
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: and let you both talk about whatever you want for

628
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: the last few minutes of the show. Kevin, we're gonna

629
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: save you for last if that's okay. And Stephen, please

630
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: just share whatever it is that's on your mind.

631
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: Uh well, Kevin, let's hope this is another step to

632
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: get you out of prison. It's been a long, long road,

633
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: but I won't give up ever.

634
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: And Kevin, over to you.

635
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 4: I'm thankful, you know. And it's taking me a long time,

636
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 4: but I'm at peace last year, like the last five

637
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: years now, and my life now still has purpose and

638
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: meaning despite what they've done. I owe no feel feelings,

639
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 4: force nobody. He is what he is, He is all

640
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: I've lost, all lost in my life. I was twenty

641
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 4: four years old. I'm fishing now. I've been seen over

642
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 4: five years. So it's like there's nothing enough that I

643
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: can't do that I don't consult it, but I won't

644
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: let what they've done to me back then is something

645
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: to me. Now I'm free, you know I am. I'm

646
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 4: at pe and and even if I die in here,

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Speaker 4: I'll be at peace knowing I stood for the swoop

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Speaker 4: into woman. I need the right thing as an adult,

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Speaker 4: so my parents were proud of. There's nothing I can

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Speaker 4: do but keep my mind focusing on what's possible, what

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Speaker 4: could be possible, and how to help us.

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Speaker 5: It is a human opportunity to this God family in

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Speaker 5: my community where I see them. You know, I won't

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Speaker 5: let nothing take that from me.

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Speaker 4: That's all I have. And I appreciate everything that you

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Speaker 4: guys are doing, and I appreciate what support from everybody,

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Speaker 4: whether it's for the governor whatever it can be done

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Speaker 4: to help me. This is just the truth, the absolute

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Speaker 4: in front of the people, and.

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Speaker 5: They let them decide again. But I said I need

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Speaker 5: to be punished for what I needed if they say so,

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Speaker 5: because I pretended. But I was worried for my life

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Speaker 5: star for my life at the time, but I did

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Speaker 5: what I believe being was the right thing and I

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Speaker 5: don't regret doing it.

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