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Speaker 2: to face the Philadelphia Phillies. And we stumbled onto this topic.

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Speaker 2: Watching last night, you're seeing Mason Miller. He is throwing

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Speaker 2: eleven pitches of at least one hundred miles per hour.

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Speaker 2: I think eleven of the fifteen that he threw were

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Speaker 2: at least one hundred miles an hour. He topped out

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Speaker 2: at one oh four point five. That's the fastest pitch

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Speaker 2: thrown this season. That's the fastest pitch thrown in postseason

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Speaker 2: since two thousand and nine. But he's been in two

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Speaker 2: postseason appearances so far. He's faced nine batters, he struck

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Speaker 2: out eight, he hit one batter. Sixteen of his forty

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Speaker 2: pitches are one hundred miles per hour or greater. Stat

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Speaker 2: of the day, stat of the day, that fast stat

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Speaker 2: cards of the program. Good morning, if you're watching on Peacock,

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Speaker 2: that's our streaming partner. Twenty five years ago, the fastest

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Speaker 2: pitch registered was one oh one. The average fastball I

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Speaker 2: think was eighty nine. Now it's up to eighty one

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Speaker 2: four or ninety four twenty five years from now? Are

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Speaker 2: we going to be up to the average fastball at

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Speaker 2: ninety nine miles an hour if we're looking at twenty

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Speaker 2: five year increments, is it going to go up to

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Speaker 2: ninety nine? Is the average speed? Like? How fast can

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Speaker 2: somebody throw a baseball? Can you? Can you throw it

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Speaker 2: one hundred and ten or more? Can somebody run nine

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Speaker 2: seconds nine point two seconds one hundred meters dash? Ninety

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Speaker 2: five eight is the record in twenty five years from now?

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Speaker 2: What's that time going to be? So I don't know

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Speaker 2: how far we can push the limits on this. How

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Speaker 2: far can you drive a golf ball? Now that's equipment,

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Speaker 2: you have to factor that in as well, plus a

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Speaker 2: lot of these fair ways. When you get to these

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Speaker 2: golf courses, they want them to run, they want them

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Speaker 2: to be hard, so you're going to get more roll up.

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Speaker 2: They want you to be hit the ball three hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty yards. But at what point do you say

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Speaker 2: that's as far as somebody can go. How fast can

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Speaker 2: you run? How fast can you throw? How far can

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Speaker 2: you hit a baseball? How far can you hit a

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Speaker 2: golf ball? These are all the things that we're trying

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Speaker 2: to push the envelope on. And I asked Paulie, I said,

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Speaker 2: can you get a hold of somebody who's smart, smarter

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Speaker 2: that they're taking care of themselves now. They know exactly

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Speaker 2: how to get leverage, how to use your arm, how

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Speaker 2: to use the torque in your body, to do all

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Speaker 2: always amazed when a pitcher adds two miles an hour.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot. Justin Herbert, according to Jim Harbaugh, said

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Speaker 2: he averaged like two more miles per hour running. I'm going, okay,

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Speaker 2: but what did these smart professors say, Pauline.

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Speaker 4: We got a hold of professor from Yale. He's got

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Speaker 4: a PhD. Professor of vankotas On now, he's done studies

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Speaker 2: Really really smart shure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he said. I asked him, a generation from now,

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Speaker 4: He said, generating speed in a throw is a whole

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Speaker 4: body thing. It's actually much more about your lower body

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Speaker 3: Like a whip, it.

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Speaker 4: Comes from the wrist and what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: The efficiency of improving your speed, it depends on technique.

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Speaker 4: It's not that humans are getting faster, it's the technique

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Speaker 4: around it. Like Seton was saying, it's much more about

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Speaker 4: even diet, how they're used maximizing the angle of how

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Speaker 4: So while there will be improvements over the next twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, today's athlete is in far greater shape.

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Speaker 2: You know, majority of these athletes in far greater shape

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Speaker 2: ten to fifteen percent more than the other golfers on tour.

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Speaker 2: He was creating more. When you see a hitter, sometimes

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Speaker 2: And because he's a small guy, you know, you get

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Speaker 2: And sometimes that's, you know, the deciding factor of that

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Speaker 2: and it drove him crazy. And I said, Eddie, it's

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Speaker 3: Me, Eddie. I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I said, you don't know how to swing yet. Once

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Speaker 8: Well, it's like a lot of the power pitchers, particularly

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Speaker 8: It's just because I think they have more of that

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Speaker 2: But just putting yourself in the right position and your angle,

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Speaker 2: the whip. You know, you want to have lag. Golfers

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Pauli, Yeah, this Yel professor said the same thing.

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Speaker 4: He said, your arm is your arm you can't really

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Speaker 4: he could see a generation from now preventative measures in

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Speaker 2: they're growing cartilage in a peatrie dish in Germany. Are

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Speaker 2: the improvements in preventative medicine is the key women basketball.

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Speaker 2: with Tommy John used to be that you don't throw curveballs.

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Speaker 2: Or can I just do it? You can do it.

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Speaker 9: I can't because it sounds like one year at West

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Speaker 9: Virginia essentially equals bringing a PhD level professor at Yale.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sounds like that, That's the way I'm hearing it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: exactly what I want. Yes, Polly, I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's actually tougher for guys like you me Seatan

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Speaker 4: they're lightly partying, but you're there to really study, and

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Speaker 9: I quite literally went there because two party. That's exactly

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember the first time I went to the

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Speaker 2: University of Dayton. I walked I was on campus, off campus,

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Speaker 2: even know them. He goes, no, no, just go up

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Speaker 2: and get a beer. Went and got a beer, and

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Speaker 2: I go, all right, Mom and Dad, I think I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go to the University of Dayton. I think they

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Speaker 2: have a really good curriculum, and I think I'm going

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: So Dylan gen for Fritzie Seaton, the doc Marvin PAULI

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Speaker 2: yours truely. Al Michaels will join us coming up and

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Speaker 2: the Gambling Podcast later today. Dylan is part of that.

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Speaker 8: So I am getting cooked on the NFL this year.

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Speaker 8: But I'm not alone there, Dan, Okay, I think this

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. This is the Wounded Animal Parlay.

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Speaker 8: The forty nine ers are very thin at receiver at

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Speaker 6: Third in the bullpen.

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Speaker 8: Sky anytime touchdown. He's plus fourteen hundred former Chief Great, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And they also have they also have mvs on there too,

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Speaker 2: Great, Valdez Scantling Junior the third.

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Speaker 8: I liked that pre wounded animal parlaying. Okay, and mccorkyl

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Speaker 2: I could see that happen.

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Speaker 8: And then that pays that plus thirty two hundred thirty

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Speaker 2: Right, that's the wounded animal parlay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the wounded animal parlay happens Marvin a lot in

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Speaker 4: the NBA, when like two starters are out for the

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Speaker 4: Celtics and they're playing the Wizards. You're like, oh, the Wizards,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna lose by thirty. And then all the backups,

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Speaker 3: Come on now, he's gonna treat us like the Oregon pro.

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Speaker 2: Am I sent. I keep sending videos to Marvin, and.

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Speaker 3: It's eight o'clock in the morning on a Saturday.

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Speaker 2: It'll be Peyton Pritchard playing in a pickup game. I

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Speaker 2: also sent a text to Marvin last night. I'm flipping around,

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden I stumbled into the Basketball

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Speaker 2: Wives on VH one and I said, Marvin, what is

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Nobody's married. I don't think. I don't think any of

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Speaker 2: I'm watching and there's a whole lot going on, like

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Speaker 2: There's some cosmetic.

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Speaker 9: Are they not nice things that they're saying?

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Speaker 4: Not supportive, constructive creation?

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Speaker 2: They're not breaking down the game or is it more personal?

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Speaker 2: They are? They are pretty rough. They are rough on

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Speaker 2: they're always talking behind each other's backs, would you say, girl? Yeah, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: At one time these women were known as la work.

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Speaker 5: Whoa yep, So you want to know where the term

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Speaker 3: It's these women.

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Speaker 2: But they're not wives.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not.

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Speaker 5: It started out, sorry backstory, It started out Shaquille O'Neil's

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Speaker 5: then it just turned into it's almost like the Housewives, Housewives.

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Speaker 3: Show Atlanta, DC. All this Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: This is worse than that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, very much.

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Speaker 2: So this is worse than that. Oh my goodness, yes, Marv.

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Speaker 3: And I tell my wife this. She goes, what's he

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Speaker 6: Wise?

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Speaker 3: I said, I don't know, Marvin, they're not even wives.

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Speaker 3: I said, I know.

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Speaker 2: My wife caught me though, Oh no, yeah.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 2: She goes, what is this? I said, it's basketball wives?

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Speaker 2: you need some mac football stat I do?

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Speaker 11: I do?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 5: I feel bad because I called myself watching the first

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Speaker 5: This is Speedy Claxton's wife, like Eric Williams, what's Eric

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 2: And there's a whole lot going on. There's a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: You live a full life, I you know, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't. You don't want to live vicariously through me?

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Speaker 8: Yes, Dylan, I do appreciate how you tried to say

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Speaker 6: Wouldn't you gain us? I swear I just flipped the

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Speaker 2: Know which I did. But then I watch fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 6: That's how they get you.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 6: You see one drink get thrown and you're like, all right,

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Speaker 6: I'll check this out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 3: Oh dang, next episode they're going to Cabo.

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Speaker 6: I gotta watch that one. I want to go to Cabo.

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Speaker 2: Well they went to Vegas. Oh boy, what goes on

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Speaker 3: What when Derek Coleme's ex wife finds his current wife?

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Speaker 2: When the girls start nitioning some tea.

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Speaker 12: Girl.

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Speaker 2: Michaels will be on the call with Kirk Herbstreak and

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Speaker 2: it's an NFC West matchup. It's the Niners and the

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Speaker 11: Home game for you, Dan, Oh, nothing better than a

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Speaker 11: home game? You're kidding, you know, I get per diem

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Speaker 11: and I get mildly. It's perfect.

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Speaker 10: Man.

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Speaker 2: Is there a stadium though that if you look back

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, Kansas City was built like in nineteen

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Speaker 11: It was cold, it was windy, you know. I did

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Speaker 11: You were in a press box that was so high.

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Speaker 2: That was the worst. Did you ever have all time?

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Speaker 7: Why don't I just tell you who's here.

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Speaker 11: I had left off forget. I had left the Cincinnati

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Speaker 7: I did it. I did it.

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Speaker 2: What about the I brought up the Big Red Machine.

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Speaker 7: I can't think of any team that you know.

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Speaker 2: But if you were going to call, I'm going to

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Speaker 11: Well. I used to love baseball. I mean I built

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Speaker 11: to you know, if I live long enough, I'll do

440
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Speaker 11: it like a Wednesday three am game.

441
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Speaker 7: So you know, right now, it's it's all about football

442
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Speaker 7: for me.

443
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Speaker 11: You know, hockey is you know, obviously the centerpiece and

444
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 11: that's the most relevant thing that you know, happened to

445
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 11: me in my career obviously with Lake Placim. But hockey

446
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 11: is a hard game to call, A rough game. I mean,

447
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 11: it's it's so fast, and you know, obviously I was

448
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 11: sent great effect for the guys like you know, Mike

449
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 11: Emrick who did it for years. That's that's that's the

450
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 11: toughest game to call. But as a fan, I think,

451
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Speaker 11: you know, I love hockey.

452
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Speaker 6: I love it.

453
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Speaker 11: I thank King season tickets for thirty three years. Season

454
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Speaker 11: starts next week.

455
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Speaker 2: But being locked in on a game where you have

456
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Speaker 2: to call, you're constantly calling the action, whereas baseball you

457
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: can let it breathe football, you can let it breathe. Hockey.

458
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 2: You can't let it breathe.

459
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Speaker 11: Yeah no. And you know TV and radio are pretty

460
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Speaker 11: much the same. You almost have to do the same

461
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Speaker 11: coal that you did on radio. On television, there's very

462
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Speaker 11: little spacing there. And it's a it's a great little

463
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Speaker 11: back and forth between the play by play man and

464
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Speaker 11: the analyst in hockey because the analyst has to pick

465
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Speaker 11: his foss. He has to know exactly when to come in.

466
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Speaker 11: And on that note, I mean, I just have to

467
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Speaker 11: shout out to the late Ken Dryden who passed away,

468
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Speaker 11: you know in the past month, who was my partner

469
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Speaker 11: in Lake Placid, and you know, in the middle of

470
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Speaker 11: the Olympics, for calling seven games, including obviously the Soviet

471
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Speaker 11: game in the victory over Finland that since the gold medal,

472
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Speaker 11: and Kenny had never done. He'd never done announcing in

473
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Speaker 11: his life. He had just retired from the Montreal Canadians

474
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Speaker 11: after winning six Stanley Cups something five as in the trophies.

475
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 11: It was unbelievable. He had to pick a sposs, get

476
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Speaker 11: in and out in eight seconds. It was a tough

477
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Speaker 11: thing to do when he did it.

478
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Speaker 2: Talking to al Michaels will be on the call Thursday

479
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Speaker 2: Night Football on Prime Video with Herbie and that will

480
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: start at eight fifteen Eastern. But working with somebody else,

481
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's chemistry, synchronicity, But how do you how

482
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Speaker 2: do you suggest to your analyst, don't go as long

483
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Speaker 2: as you're going because I still have to get I

484
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: have to set up the play. How do you do

485
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Speaker 2: that in a professional manner?

486
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Speaker 11: Well, I think I've been lucky through the years because

487
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Speaker 11: when I started doing Monday Night, Frank Giffort had done

488
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Speaker 11: it for a lot of years, and then we added

489
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Speaker 11: Dan Dierdorf in nineteen eighty seven, and Dan had had

490
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Speaker 11: done a lot of broadcasting in Saint Louis. You know,

491
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Speaker 11: the guys that I worked with are guys that have

492
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Speaker 11: had a lot of experiences.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, when I had.

494
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Speaker 11: John Madden in two thousand and two through two thousand

495
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Speaker 11: and eight, he understood top to bottom. Chris Collinsworth had

496
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Speaker 11: had a lot of experience, I mean the only and

497
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Speaker 11: I also had Dan Fousts for two years. But I

498
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Speaker 11: had Dan with Dennis Miller. Now that was that was tricky,

499
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Speaker 11: But Dennis was so smart, you know, he kind of

500
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Speaker 11: figured out how to how to pull that thing off.

501
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Speaker 11: But those were I got to tell you, those are

502
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Speaker 11: two wild years. If you remember on Monday Night football

503
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Speaker 11: with fouts and then do.

504
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Speaker 2: The Howard Cosell relationship, how would you sum that up

505
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Speaker 2: of working with somebody who was you know, there's been

506
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Speaker 2: nobody like him since, but dealing with somebody who had

507
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Speaker 2: an ego that he thought he was probably more important

508
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Speaker 2: than anybody else who was playing in a game.

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Speaker 11: Well, I did a lot of baseball with Howard in

510
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Speaker 11: the seventies and into the eighties. It was a lot

511
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Speaker 11: of fun at first. I got to say, I mean,

512
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Speaker 11: the one thing about working with koselle is you I

513
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 11: knew you would always come away with the story, and

514
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Speaker 11: I've got a million of them, right, And Howard was

515
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 11: he was fun to work with to a degree early on,

516
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Speaker 11: and he got toward the end of his career and

517
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 11: life just became bitter and it became very, very difficult

518
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Speaker 11: to work with him in like nineteen eighty four, nineteen

519
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Speaker 11: eighty five, and finally, you know, that was the end

520
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Speaker 11: of Howard's broadcasting career.

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Speaker 7: So you know, at.

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Speaker 11: First, when you know, like in the seventies and early eighties,

523
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Speaker 11: and it did a couple of World series with him

524
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Speaker 11: as well.

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Speaker 7: He he was.

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Speaker 11: Fun and as I say, I go home and have

527
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Speaker 11: you know, five stories from the night before, and then

528
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Speaker 11: after that it was he did you know, he just

529
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Speaker 11: grew tired of like everything at the end.

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Speaker 7: So it wasn't a pleasant departure.

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Speaker 2: You never got close to fistokovs like Brent Musburger with

532
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Speaker 2: Jimmy the Greek.

533
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Speaker 7: No, no, not at all. No, he wouldn't have been

534
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Speaker 7: able to handle them. At the end of my right

535
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Speaker 7: before yeah, I left chef. You know what, can I

536
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Speaker 7: tell you?

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Speaker 2: You would have thought helped him?

538
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Speaker 7: I would have pulled a stupe off.

539
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Speaker 6: First.

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Speaker 2: You know, do you want to do one more baseball game?

541
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Speaker 2: One more hockey game?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 11: No, not really because uh uh with baseball, I mean

544
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Speaker 11: I've been out of it for thirty years, Dan, so

545
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Speaker 11: I'm you know, beyond rusty. Uh And I used to

546
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Speaker 11: know obviously when I was doing baseball, I we knew everybody.

547
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Speaker 11: Now I you know, I watched the All Star Game

548
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 11: this year, I knew like six guys, seven guys. But

549
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Speaker 11: I will say this, man, I do love postseason baseball.

550
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 11: All of a sudden, I mean, it's it's great. I mean,

551
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Speaker 11: you know, totally immersed in it already. So postseason baseball

552
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Speaker 11: is as good as it gets. And just you know,

553
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Speaker 11: it's in October. We're just the way, just the way

554
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 11: that the sun is, you know, you watch the day

555
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 11: games and the shadows and the whole thing. It's I

556
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 11: don't want to say it's romantic, but I mean it's

557
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Speaker 11: it's really it's very it's very very cool.

558
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Speaker 7: I miss, but where do you party? Miss? For sure?

559
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: Where do you stand on overtime in the NFL?

560
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Speaker 7: I think they should go back to fifteen minutes.

561
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Speaker 11: I think it's okay for a game to end and

562
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Speaker 11: to tie, and when it was fifteen minutes, it did.

563
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 11: But the ten minute thing is is, you know, somebody

564
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Speaker 11: obviously the other team can get the ball. Now they've

565
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 11: changed that rule, so each team is going to get

566
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Speaker 11: no matter what the first team does. If they score

567
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Speaker 11: a touchdown, the other team is going to get an opportunity.

568
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 11: But they may only have two minutes. You know, you

569
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 11: might have an eight minute drive. So I think I

570
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 11: don't know why they went to the ten minute thing.

571
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Speaker 11: I think maybe to reduce injuries, but you know, I

572
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 11: mean what's the difference at a certain point, whether the

573
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Speaker 11: game is seventy minutes or seventy five minutes.

574
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Speaker 7: You got thats the only thing I would change. I'd

575
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Speaker 7: go back to fifteen.

576
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Speaker 2: You got the Rams and the Niners, and here you

577
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Speaker 2: got the Niners a lot of interchangeable parts here. How

578
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: does that change your approach tonight broadcasting doing play by play?

579
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean, the Niners are star crossed. I mean

580
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 11: last year six and eleven because of all of the injuries,

581
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Speaker 11: and here we go again. Brock Perty is not playing tonight.

582
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 11: George Kittle is is still an injured reserve. They're two

583
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Speaker 11: top receivers Pearsol and Jenny's are out. They've got you know,

584
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Speaker 11: I mean DeMarcus Robinson or Marcus Valdez Scamby are two

585
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 11: of their guys that are gonna, you know, be the

586
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 11: receivers tonight. Kittle's out, They've got a rookie left guard.

587
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 11: They've got Mac Jones starting, but he's won two games

588
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 11: for them already. So, I mean, the Niners are they're

589
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 11: just a mass unit right now. But you know, it's

590
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Speaker 11: the National Football League, and anything had happened. Meanwhile, the

591
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 11: you know, the Rams look great. I mean, the Rams

592
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 11: are definitely a Super Bowl contender. We were talking in

593
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Speaker 11: our meeting last night about the offense. You've got Stafford,

594
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Speaker 11: You've got Kyron Williams, one of the best backs in

595
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 11: the league. Poka Nukua is over the moon. I mean,

596
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 11: this guy is phenomenal. Nowy got Devonte Adams. Higbee is

597
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 11: a tight end. He's out tonight.

598
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 8: Uh.

599
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 7: They're deep.

600
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Speaker 11: They built you know, they built their team dan around

601
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Speaker 11: the defensive line. What they've done with a defensive line

602
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 11: with the Verse and Fisk and the other guys that

603
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 11: they brought in and drafted. They did what the Niners

604
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 11: did in the late nineties with John Lynch and Excoose

605
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 11: me nothing that the late nineties, but in the late

606
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 11: teens in twenty eighteen nineteen in that area, they went

607
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Speaker 11: to two Super Bowls by building that defensive line around

608
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Speaker 11: both and the other guys. Now they have none of

609
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 11: those guys and the Rams have morphed into what the

610
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 11: forty nine ers became on the defensive front. So, I mean,

611
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 11: the Rams are a full fledged Super Bowl contender.

612
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: Any problem with Tom Brady being in meetings with teams

613
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: as a minority owner of the Raiders.

614
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 11: Not really, No, I mean you can get all the

615
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 11: information you need without necessarily being in those meetings.

616
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 7: No, I have no problem with it at all.

617
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Speaker 2: Ever been told something in the meeting that you wondered

618
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: if it was true?

619
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Speaker 14: Oh?

620
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Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot. But that was in the early days.

621
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Speaker 7: Now the guys much better.

622
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 11: But my favorite meeting Mike Morris, he's coaching the Rams

623
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Speaker 11: when they were in Saint Louis in around two thousand

624
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 11: and two or three. It's a Monday night game and

625
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 11: we're in there and Mike says to us, hey, off

626
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Speaker 11: the record, and he tells us something. And I have

627
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Speaker 11: the Saint Louis Post dispatch on the desk in front

628
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 11: of me. I said, Mike, here it is. It's on

629
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Speaker 11: the front page of the Sport Session.

630
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Speaker 2: Off the record.

631
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Speaker 11: It became on the record. Well while we were sitting

632
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Speaker 11: here at this meeting.

633
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

634
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 7: Now most of the meetings.

635
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Speaker 11: Look, the coaches understanding now, especially the younger guys, and

636
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 11: they understand, you know, how to deal with the media,

637
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 11: had to deal with the you know, with the broadcast folks.

638
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 7: We were talking. It's funny.

639
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 11: We were talking to Kyle Shanahan yesterday on the Zoom

640
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 11: and Kyle was talking about, you know, every press conference

641
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 11: now is you know, how's this guy has that guy?

642
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 7: Is it a ligament? Is it attendant? What is it?

643
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 11: And so all of a sudden he says, you know,

644
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 11: I didn't go to medical school. I'm answering all these questions,

645
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 11: which reminded me of one of my favorite story is

646
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 11: Doc Rivers, who was my partner on the NBA back

647
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 11: twenty years ago. And Doc was coaching the Celtics, like

648
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 11: in the eight to nine area, and I think Paul

649
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 11: Pierce had gotten hurt in a playoff game. So the

650
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 11: first five questions are about Pierce. Know, how long is

651
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 11: he out for? Is it an acl is it a ligament,

652
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 11: what is it with? Blah blah blah blah blah. So

653
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 11: after five or six questions, Doc finally looks down at

654
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 11: the guy and he goes, hey, listen, He says, you

655
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 11: do know Doc is a nickname.

656
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Speaker 3: Right, So.

657
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: Steak before or after the game.

658
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Speaker 11: You know, tonight, maybe a little a couple of bytes,

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Speaker 11: maybe at halftime, but you know, I'll have like maybe

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Speaker 11: a I'll have a burger at the hotel before I

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Speaker 11: go over there, and then some candy corn during the game.

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Speaker 11: And Junior mentioned and maybe maybe two or three bites

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Speaker 11: of a steak maybe tomorrow night. Tomorrow night for sure,

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Speaker 11: Dan at Tuscana.

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Speaker 2: Probably yeah, maybe you gonna eat some scraps for Herby's dog.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely. Herby's dog's already almost one hundred pounds. He's just

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Speaker 7: a baby. What's going on here? Crazy stuff?

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Speaker 2: Man, have fun tonight. Great to see you again. Thank

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Speaker 2: you about it.

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Speaker 7: Always always great, Dan, take him man.

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Speaker 12: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Michaels Ell on the call with Herbie tonight Thursday Night

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Speaker 2: Football on Prime Video. It'll be at SOFI at eight

674
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Speaker 2: point fifteen Eastern Niners and the Rams. Last call for

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Speaker 2: phone calls. What we learned once in store tomorrow, this

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Speaker 2: day's sports history after this.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio

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Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

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Speaker 1: listen live. Charlie Sheen on the program tomorrow. It's been

681
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Speaker 1: fourteen years since I've spoken to him, And that was

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Speaker 1: a mess. That was a bomb that went off fourteen

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Speaker 1: years ago when he called in and he was leaving

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Speaker 1: two and a half men and we had tiger blood

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Speaker 1: and winning now he's got a documentary. It's got a

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Speaker 1: book out. So we'll talk to Charlie Sheen back on

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Speaker 1: the program tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, she did.

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Speaker 9: He have I want to say l I U winning

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Speaker 9: the NCAA tournament that year in our bracket contest.

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Speaker 2: Pauli still has the bracket. It was Acron versus l Iu.

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Speaker 9: Akron versus Lu, That's what it was.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he filled out a bracket. That was bizarre that

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Speaker 2: he filled out a bracket. What was the most random

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Speaker 2: person that filled out a bracket? Yeah, Pauli.

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Speaker 4: Michael Douglas, a legendary actor, participated twice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a lost.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, I don't know who he had winning.

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Speaker 4: He has a lot on winning. He didn't fill it out.

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Speaker 4: He signed his name and said the Loton's going to win. Seriously.

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Speaker 2: Gambling podcast coming up. We're going to start taping that

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Speaker 2: in about fifteen minute twenty minutes from now with Shayan Irving,

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Speaker 2: Dylan and of course Bad Larry with picks on tonight's

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Speaker 2: game and the game's coming up this weekend. Let me

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Speaker 2: see Colby in California. Hi, Colby, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 14: Hey Bob, Hey, I was hoping to get on before

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Speaker 14: you had out, Michael Von, I wanted to remind or

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Speaker 14: ask you to remind him about calling the Westminster Dog Show.

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Speaker 2: With Will ferrells. Oh, that's right. Will wants to do that?

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Speaker 2: Is it Will wants to do it or Al wants

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Speaker 2: to do it with him? Colby?

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Speaker 14: I thought I thought Will agreed it was it was

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Speaker 14: one of your guys' ideas. I don't think you got

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Speaker 14: Al to actually agreed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well that could be a problem though, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think we'll probably reach out. But yeah, thanks for

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Speaker 2: the phone call there. Let's see Jim in Cleveland. Hi Jim,

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Speaker 2: thanks for holding. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Hey?

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Speaker 12: Dan?

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Speaker 15: Six to four sympathy way to thirty. I had something

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Speaker 15: about my son, But first, hey, can Marvin make a

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Speaker 15: drop where when he tries to derail the show you

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Speaker 15: maybe play that breaking my stride?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I guess we'll maybe what else is on your mind?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 15: And then I had I'm from I'm from Detroit area

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Speaker 15: and I moved to Cleveland and we just had a

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Speaker 15: newborn son, and I told my wife's family that I

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Speaker 15: want him to be a Rounds fan loyalty. But now

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Speaker 15: I heard you talking earlier. That kind of sounds like

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Speaker 15: a life of pain for him. So I'm not really

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Speaker 15: sure where I should go with that, so I'll hang

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Speaker 15: up on listening.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I let my kids pick their fandom.

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Speaker 2: I did not influence them anyway, but I just said,

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Speaker 2: if you're in, be all in, you know, don't just

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Speaker 2: don't change from year to year or that team. My

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Speaker 2: team's not any good, and I'm going to root for

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Speaker 2: that guy. You find that they do root for a team,

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Speaker 2: but they also root for individuals because everybody plays fantasy

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Speaker 2: Joe and Knoxville. Hi Joe, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 10: Hey guys, A long time listener, first time caller five ten,

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Speaker 10: Rock Solid two twenty two. I was going to talk

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Speaker 10: about the fastball differential, but first I'd like to say

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Speaker 10: two big time lineups that I would say my favorite

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Speaker 10: all time. The nineteen Astros. They had Springer, Brentley Altuve,

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Speaker 10: Bregman Alvarez, Carrea, Kyle Tucker, Julie Gurio, and Martin Moldonado.

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Speaker 10: And they also had Verlander, Cohen Grinky one two three.

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Speaker 10: It's how they didn't win the World Series, I don't know.

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Speaker 10: But also the ninety three Blue Jays with Henderson Devo, Monitor,

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Speaker 10: Alamar Overwood, Carter ed Spray, Tony Fernandez, and a rookie

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Speaker 10: Carlos Delgado. Just those two are just my favorite all

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Speaker 10: time lineups. And as for the fastball, you go back

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Speaker 10: and look at it. I believe they used to measure

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Speaker 10: it from a different distance from the plate. You go

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Speaker 10: back and watch when guys through, you know, eighty nine

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Speaker 10: to ninety. You look at it now. I've watched so

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Speaker 10: many games you can kind of sew it down a little.

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Speaker 10: If you want ninety back then looks about like ninety

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Speaker 10: three now if you watch ninety three ninety four now,

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Speaker 10: if you watch the games like if you see it,

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Speaker 10: it's still got a smooth pitch going in. It'll be

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Speaker 10: ninety four miles an hour. That used to be what

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Speaker 10: eighty nine to ninety looked like. So that's something to

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Speaker 10: think about.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you, Joe Nolan. Ryan was thrown

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Speaker 2: over one hundred and it was different back then with

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Speaker 2: the jugs gun. But you know, you talk to guys

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Speaker 2: who faced him and they would swear that it was

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Speaker 2: far more than one hundred miles an hour. But that

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Speaker 2: was a big deal. It's like man he's throwing a hundred.

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Speaker 2: He was throwing more than that. How about this day

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Speaker 2: in sports history, Paul, just one, This one's fun.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen twenty, the Cincinnati Reds and Pittsburgh Pirates played the

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Speaker 4: only tripleheader in baseball history. The Reds won two of

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Speaker 4: the three games. They needed to play all of them

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Speaker 4: because of the implications to the World Series. So there

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Speaker 4: are two reinouts in a row. They played three games

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Speaker 4: in one day in under six hours.

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Speaker 2: On this date, twenty sixteen, Vin Sculling calls his final

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Speaker 2: Dodgers game after sixty seven years. Also on this date,

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight, Bucky Dent three run homer Bucky f

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Speaker 2: and Dent the Yankees eliminate the Red Sox that single

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Speaker 2: playoff game for the Alias title. Also, Don Shula beat

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Speaker 2: David Shula Dolphins over the Bengals. First ever NFL meeting

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Speaker 2: between father and son head coaches Fresh and Milwaukee's back

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Speaker 2: Hi Fresh.

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Speaker 12: What is beat? And Dan Nick got a question for you,

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Speaker 12: plan off of how great the pitchers and kickers are

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Speaker 12: getting an evolution of sports athletes in general. Did you

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Speaker 12: think there will ever be a time whether playing surfaces,

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Speaker 12: baseball fields, football, fields will need to be larger.

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Speaker 2: I've brought this up to the commissioner of the NBA.

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Speaker 2: We'll get it. I think they might have to widen

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Speaker 2: the court in the NBA just because of people. How

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Speaker 2: many people are on the perimeter. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you raise the hoop at any point. I think

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Speaker 2: that that was something that came out in the seventies.

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Speaker 2: Is it time to raise the basket to eleven feet?

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Speaker 2: I hope that doesn't happen, but I could see where

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Speaker 2: they widen the field or the court in basketball. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they'll do that with football or baseball.

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Speaker 2: Baseball is about the dimensions you create your ballpark. I

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Speaker 2: mean it really is amazing. Imagine if Golden State created

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Speaker 2: their own basketball court and the three point shot was

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Speaker 2: five feet further, just to play to Clay in Stepf's

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Speaker 2: strengths can baseball they allow you to do that. It's like,

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Speaker 2: this is what we do. We want a spacious stadium

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Speaker 2: because we want to focus on pitching and defense, or

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Speaker 2: we want a short left field or right field porch

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Speaker 2: because we got home run hitters. Let's go around the room.

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Speaker 2: What we learned on the program Dylan in for Fretz

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Speaker 2: Sea today. Would you learn Fritzy Sandy Kofax apparently yes,

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Speaker 2: and you're Don Drysdale Satan.

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Speaker 9: Would you learn today not a lot of three MVP

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Speaker 9: at the same time teams?

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Speaker 3: Marvin, you're big in Turkey?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that. You know, cosmetic surgery is

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Speaker 2: really big in Turkey.

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Speaker 3: That's Turkey A.

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Speaker 4: Is that official Turkey A?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: It is?

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 4: Hal Michael's stake at halftime, Dylan, what.

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Speaker 2: Did I learn?

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Speaker 12: Uh?

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Speaker 6: You learned that Turkey A is Turkey.

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Speaker 2: You didn't have anything, did you?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 6: I didn't. I'm not used to being Todd