WEBVTT - Special Guest Episode: Interview w/ Columbus Short

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<v Speaker 1>Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with Higheart Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is crazy, you guys. You guys, we have.

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<v Speaker 1>Our family's here, our original family is here.

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<v Speaker 2>Gladiator in a Suit. Yes, this is a very very

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<v Speaker 2>special episode. It's a standalone, it's a episode.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first time we're in a studio with

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast because of this man.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were like, we've been wanting to get Columbus

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<v Speaker 2>Short on Unpacking the Toolbox for a while, I say,

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<v Speaker 2>like two years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but we're saving it too because we.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanted to do in person, and we were so psyched

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<v Speaker 2>that you're open to it and into it, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>very happy to see you, happy.

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<v Speaker 4>To see you.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're going to flip their wigs. Remember when I said,

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<v Speaker 3>y'all will flip your wigs. This is why. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the man, the myth, the legend who literally

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<v Speaker 2>said do you want to be a gladiator in a suit?

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<v Speaker 4>To you?

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<v Speaker 2>To me and your face like this is crazy, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I could get emotional about it. To Columbus Short, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, thank you for doing this. Let it be

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<v Speaker 2>known gladiators that Columbus We're going to get into questions

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<v Speaker 2>and have a good time. But also you brought the

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<v Speaker 2>most funnest friends you brought Neo.

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<v Speaker 3>Neo came and saying Happy birthday to Carrie.

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<v Speaker 2>Washington because of Columbus short Neo came saying happy birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>and I gave him a hug and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the most cologne I've ever smelled on.

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<v Speaker 5>His And it smelled so good, and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was so talented, and I all day I would like

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<v Speaker 2>to catch a whiff of it on my sweater and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, that's near cologne. Yeah. Wait, can you

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<v Speaker 2>first take us back, like where were you when you

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<v Speaker 2>booked the part, because didn't you were an offer or

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<v Speaker 2>you had to audition. Tell us how you got this

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<v Speaker 2>part and where you were in your life career.

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<v Speaker 4>So Shanda had the couple of years before had said

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<v Speaker 4>to me, offered a private practice, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I do not want to do television. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>be a movie star. That was my idea. I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to be a movie star, like I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 4>on a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Star track and at the time those were different trail.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, but you know what, there's a guy

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<v Speaker 4>named Tate Higgs to be appropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>No way, yeah, suggested love. That's because that's my guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm like, and he's down, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>he's down for the child. I wasn't so then that

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<v Speaker 4>I'll never forget the night C A A messaged the

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<v Speaker 4>you know when back in the day when they message

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<v Speaker 4>sent messengers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah. You would have to go.

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta go get the script out, yes, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 4>they sent it wasn't called scandal, it was damage.

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<v Speaker 3>There it is.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, all right, man, let me see.

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<v Speaker 4>And I read it and she had me at free. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, I didn't read it. I put it

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<v Speaker 4>on my my night stand and I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not going to read it. And I told C I

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<v Speaker 4>A and Real Steen Entertainment Partners my team. I said, nah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to do no TV. And something woke

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<v Speaker 4>me up in the middle of the night and I

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<v Speaker 4>and I woke up. It was like two o'clock in

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<v Speaker 4>the morning, and I picked up the script and I

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<v Speaker 4>just said, let me read. I said, I will give

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<v Speaker 4>it ten pages. And first thing they had me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yes, hello, wait did you did you have the

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<v Speaker 1>first line in the script right.

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<v Speaker 3>Now a date?

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<v Speaker 6>And then he says, I'm not here to bring you

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<v Speaker 6>on a date.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not a day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is not a date. What are you drinking martini?

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<v Speaker 2>But like, this is not a date.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had just three days before that watched so

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, I had like done Studio sixty with

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<v Speaker 4>Aaron Sorkin, right, and you know, Josh Molina comes from

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<v Speaker 4>the Aaron, so it's always paced and you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to do that, drop that ball, don't drop me.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like, okay, I'm going to put this

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<v Speaker 4>and on it and me and Katie it was like,

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<v Speaker 4>what's the movie for Social Network? Came out and I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to do this scene. We have to pace

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<v Speaker 4>it like Aaron. We have to do it like that,

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<v Speaker 4>and boom, and we did it. And I remember Wilmer

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<v Speaker 4>Vodama came to.

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<v Speaker 1>Visit yet that day, Brun, you brought all the stars, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>Well didn't you bring Madonna?

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<v Speaker 3>You should have brought Madonna. We'll get into that.

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<v Speaker 4>So Wilmer came and he was just like, do your thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was so ship.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so nervous, but cameos, which you don't get nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not like that. And I remember picking you up.

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<v Speaker 2>We shared a trailer in the pilot. After the pilot,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys shared a double banker, but in the pilot

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<v Speaker 2>we shared a double banker. And we're there and we

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<v Speaker 2>know we're about to shoot the Quinn Harrison scene that honestly.

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<v Speaker 3>The opening scene.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says, you will slay dragons. You will love

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<v Speaker 2>the fight more than anybody else. And you got to

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<v Speaker 2>say it, say it, and I go, say, what gladiators do?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to be a latter? I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a gladder in a suit.

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<v Speaker 5>Boom scam.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, so that's the scene we're all talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I pick you up, I knock, and I remember, like

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<v Speaker 2>so vividly. We walked to the location, which was downtown,

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<v Speaker 2>and you were like nervous, which you're not. We had rehearsed,

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<v Speaker 2>we had done readings of the pilot for the studio

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<v Speaker 2>and network, like you had it, but you were like, yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>A good wood. I felt like what we're doing is

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<v Speaker 4>about to either when it's just gonna either fall in

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<v Speaker 4>space or it's going to be fantastic. It's going too,

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<v Speaker 4>and I remember that moment and you were so Katie, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to tell you from you know, Shoshana Bean

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<v Speaker 4>has spoke highly of you. Camilla Martin has spoken high Broadway.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about equity Broadway. They love you, right, So

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<v Speaker 4>when I'm talking about her, I'm like, Okay, I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know who she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's because I was a babysitter. Wait, can I

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<v Speaker 2>ask you one other thing? This is the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>I remember. I remember walking there and being like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I think he's nervous. I was nervous too,

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<v Speaker 2>but like obviously I hadn't done shit, Like I was nervous,

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<v Speaker 2>but you were like shouldn't. I mean, it was good

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<v Speaker 2>that you were nervous. And then we did the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other memory I remember so well is after

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<v Speaker 2>your coverage, they flipped the camera on you and you

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<v Speaker 2>do your monologue and I remember everybody in video village

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<v Speaker 2>standing up and giving you a standing applause. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember that?

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<v Speaker 3>Reason?

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<v Speaker 2>I never did that again.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I had to sit.

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<v Speaker 4>And the reason Wilmer was there is because I needed

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<v Speaker 4>some like support, emotional support, because I was like, this

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<v Speaker 4>might be the moment of my career. And I sat

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<v Speaker 4>there and I had to sit there and look at

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<v Speaker 4>this woman, this one. And I was like, no, Quinn,

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<v Speaker 4>this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a day.

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<v Speaker 4>And and and so what happened after that? We created

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<v Speaker 4>scandal pace true or not true?

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<v Speaker 3>True?

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<v Speaker 4>From that day, I just said, spit it out as

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<v Speaker 4>fast as you can and get it out of your

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<v Speaker 4>mouth and be done with it. And and I did that,

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<v Speaker 4>and and and and and.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you knew because that makes every scene, every

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<v Speaker 1>every time I've been in a film or a TV

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<v Speaker 1>show in the pace and it's paced up, it's it's better.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes it better.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so do you call Shanda? Take it back really quick?

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<v Speaker 2>And said, I woke up in the millen ighty two

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the morning. I read the first time pages

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in what did you do?

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<v Speaker 4>So let me tell you what happened. Yeah, So I

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<v Speaker 4>went over there and I walked in the room and

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<v Speaker 4>it's Betsy Beers, Jeff's wife, Linda. And it's Linda Jeff, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean Linda, Betsy Beers, Mary Howard, Yeah, there sitting

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<v Speaker 4>there like the queens, right, And I was like, I

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<v Speaker 4>sat down and I was like boom, okay, okay. We

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<v Speaker 4>had the meeting. We talked and I said, okay, well

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<v Speaker 4>it was that and I'm getting out of the room

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<v Speaker 4>all my way out, but I said I had one

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<v Speaker 4>more question. I said, who is going to play Olivia Price?

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<v Speaker 2>Remember I don't remember that Price and Harrison right? Was

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<v Speaker 2>a Harrison right?

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<v Speaker 4>It was something else wrong, but so so so Olivia Price.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, who's playing Olivia Price? And then it's Olivia Pope.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Kerrie Washington. I love you for the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>my life. Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I feel like we all got super close

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<v Speaker 1>because we rehearsed the pilot like a play, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>all rehearsed it for like two weeks, right, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we all got super close, which is rare because you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get close shooting a show.

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<v Speaker 3>But you were the start. You were not as I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't know you were you were? You were? You were?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was feeling, yeah you were. If you remember,

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<v Speaker 1>I had like one line in the pilot and then

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<v Speaker 1>were very last and that's it. And then last minute

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<v Speaker 1>they wrote Shanda wrote that monologue in the bathroom, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I ever rehearsed that in the when

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<v Speaker 1>we were rehearsing in that rehearsal room.

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<v Speaker 3>That wasn't even rehearse that. I don't believe. So I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think so that wasn't Rentil Later.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because at the Studio Network table read, the only

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<v Speaker 2>note that Shonda got was we want more gear, we want.

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<v Speaker 3>We want more of him. And I had a few scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember I walk in with the with the rings

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<v Speaker 1>for Henry ian Cusick was this Stephen for Steven?

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<v Speaker 3>So what happened? So you left the lot? Okay? I

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<v Speaker 3>left the lot. Jeff Perry was moving furniture. He was, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is true story. I said peace out to Jeff Harry.

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<v Speaker 2>As he was just moving a microwave into his wife's office.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just being a good husband.

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<v Speaker 3>Being a good husband. Yeah, And I was like boom.

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<v Speaker 4>I get in the car. I get a call from

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<v Speaker 4>c I A. They're like Columbus, she got the part.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Shanna telling me that she uh, we were

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<v Speaker 1>at her house at some gathering watching the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said that she that you were the only person

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't audition, and that she called Jeff Jeffrey Dean

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan got vouch for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Come on, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Shawn had a policy on our show that she called

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<v Speaker 2>people's previous bosses to sort of check in if they

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<v Speaker 2>were my boss.

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<v Speaker 3>He was my boss as a loser. I was in

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<v Speaker 3>the losers, okay with them.

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<v Speaker 4>With Joel Silver, Uh just me Zoe's al Donna, Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 4>and he was the leader of our cores right and

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<v Speaker 4>he had, by the way, whatever his role was on

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<v Speaker 4>Grey's Anatomy was like Jeffrey Dean Morgan, who got me?

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<v Speaker 4>Who got me?

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<v Speaker 2>Vouched for you?

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<v Speaker 1>But also but also Shonda loved you, like I think

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<v Speaker 1>he could have vouched for you, and Shaun could have

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<v Speaker 1>if she didn't like your work and like who you were,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't just for do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just say though we on part of this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to go back and rewatch episodes, which I

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<v Speaker 2>have not done, like when we watched it together, when

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<v Speaker 2>we were live tweeting, you couldn't really watch like trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be with the Gladiators and all this. Now that

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<v Speaker 2>g and a lot of time has passed, we go back,

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<v Speaker 2>we watch the episodes and you are, Oh my god, Columbus.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about you so much talk about you.

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<v Speaker 2>So much on this podcast. Your acting work is so unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>It was based on you, guys, but you thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>but you are like the gladiator.

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<v Speaker 5>You make it look I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 2>You do phone and flips and like.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let's explain that.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I wor answer as.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, First you know that business as an actor, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So uh, Laurence Fishburne Morpheus always told me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was doing this movie called Armored, right, and I

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<v Speaker 4>saw this man pick up a box like a case

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<v Speaker 4>and like put it and it was like with no dialogue.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the most incredible thing I'd seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Like choreographed. Yeah, it was like how I grabbed it

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<v Speaker 3>and he said.

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<v Speaker 4>Son, He's called me grasshopper, and he said always make

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<v Speaker 4>business business right, right and put that thing down and

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<v Speaker 4>everything something.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was like wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And so everything that I didn't scandal, I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>all of those tools, all of those notes they were

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<v Speaker 4>they were they were coming from the ones that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Jeffrey Dean Morgan, from Jeffrey Wright to Lawrence fishburn to

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<v Speaker 4>Matt Dillon to Jon Renaud.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Matt Dillon, I love yah were giving me cheat

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<v Speaker 3>codes and you were just you were wide out to.

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<v Speaker 5>Know I was shot out of a cannon I was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I go back and we watch the episode. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a part of our podcast where it's really not Gemo.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Katie and Gemo's cringe worthy acting moments. It's really

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<v Speaker 2>just me complaining about what I'm doing in the episode

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<v Speaker 2>because I hope and pray that I've come a long

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<v Speaker 2>way from that. But like, you were so confident, so cool,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you knew exactly what the show was, You knew

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the tone was, Like you were in the

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<v Speaker 2>pocket of like you are the quintessential like Gladiator scandaled

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<v Speaker 2>to me and watching it back, you're like, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You're also you're also a dancer, right, so all that

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<v Speaker 1>all that business, like to make that look good, like

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<v Speaker 1>you made it look good. It's hard to teach that advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>What we talked about all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>We would talk about, like Madonna in my time with Brittany,

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<v Speaker 4>how hard it is to teach human beings how to walk,

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<v Speaker 4>Like to.

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<v Speaker 3>Teach a human how to walk?

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<v Speaker 4>Why knew how to oh yeah, like walk that then

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<v Speaker 4>she poked it out on this shore.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't know how to walk. We shot pilots the

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<v Speaker 2>pilot for nights seven pm to seven am for three

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<v Speaker 2>weeks straight or something. And here.

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<v Speaker 6>Was its really fucking cool but super pointing saddle shoes

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<v Speaker 6>and they were pointing and the hallway was long because

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<v Speaker 6>it was it was on a stage and he's going

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<v Speaker 6>up and down like for a thousand hours. You were

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<v Speaker 6>limping like if you could off.

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<v Speaker 5>Your feet were like the front of pointed.

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<v Speaker 2>Feet point in that shoe. You had some couple I

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<v Speaker 2>was waddling.

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<v Speaker 3>I will, let's talk about your boobies.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not boobies, because I.

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<v Speaker 4>Agree that that was no boobies.

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<v Speaker 3>The what's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Called the wrapank spanks?

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<v Speaker 3>We were span you were spanked up. You were.

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<v Speaker 5>It was because I to Ben the sausage skirts.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a fucking everybody can't breathe for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I remember every every morning coming onto set

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<v Speaker 1>and Carrie would you know, greet everyone, and we'd bang

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<v Speaker 1>on the table and say what episode it was? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just like this is episode three ten or.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever it was. But you always walked in with like

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<v Speaker 3>with sunglasses on and your chunk.

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<v Speaker 1>Litas like looking like you'd had like a real night

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<v Speaker 1>chunk late like sandals like.

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<v Speaker 2>Slides, but you would always have to be cool, sneak.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but but in the morning, before he got

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<v Speaker 1>into costume, you would have your chunk litas on right

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, to rest those feet that were gonna climb

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<v Speaker 1>into those.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were such a rock star, such a movie star,

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<v Speaker 1>walking on into the into O p A just every morning,

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<v Speaker 1>And I just remember looking at you and just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>you were so and so amazing and so when your

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<v Speaker 1>energy was just so beautiful and so happy, and you always.

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<v Speaker 3>Brought so much happiness to say, you know what on

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<v Speaker 3>the worst day. Yeah, but I.

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<v Speaker 4>Would see Germo with the sitting do you guys remember

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<v Speaker 4>I used to cut my hair for the first two seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, by myself my hair till they finally.

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<v Speaker 4>But Germo would be sitting and relaxing with those things

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<v Speaker 4>under his eyes on.

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<v Speaker 3>Inside like under them, use them. I want those things.

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<v Speaker 3>I use them almost a yeah, to do that. Those

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<v Speaker 3>were so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you have any.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I've watched every episode except when I died.

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<v Speaker 3>After I died, it was over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well in more ways than one, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a group of after you died.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, listen, this show was.

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<v Speaker 1>Just never the same when when you left me it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't no disrespect.

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<v Speaker 3>You get there.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be back with more after than break. What

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<v Speaker 2>are you some of your favorite keeping it like highlights

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<v Speaker 2>of acting, stuff that you got to do, Like do

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<v Speaker 2>you have any memories for me? It's obviously glad I

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<v Speaker 2>in her suit. Also you slow dancing with Abby.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another thing I remember about that story.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, no Columbus short and Darby Stansfield is another

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<v Speaker 4>storyline because Darby is by the number. She's by the book.

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<v Speaker 4>She's so by the book and she could never figure

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<v Speaker 4>out how I was stumbling into work sometimes and I

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't remember lines, and she was strung and all right

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<v Speaker 4>if I was late are These are things that we'll

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<v Speaker 4>talk about later. But Darby Stansfield, I loved those moments,

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<v Speaker 4>the the the episode with the billionaire. Yes, I just

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<v Speaker 4>got that's my girl. But I'm doing Remember the microfiche

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<v Speaker 4>episode when I'm like, we're doing things on the microfiche,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in the library.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember microfiche.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, first of all, guys, let's just put it on.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you guys remember this?

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<v Speaker 4>Forget episodes when we had to have a meeting, a

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<v Speaker 4>securities meeting and the guy came and broke down everything

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<v Speaker 4>how to secure Yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like from Disney, know what was happening. I

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<v Speaker 3>remember it, but I didn't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Was happening, Like if someone says scary ship to you online,

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<v Speaker 2>like let us.

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<v Speaker 4>How to use our phones to go through. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a full securities and I was like, I remember that?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you guys?

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<v Speaker 3>Do ever?

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I don't remember what he said, but

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<v Speaker 4>I look back like damn should wait.

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<v Speaker 2>My other thing was remember this part where you go

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<v Speaker 2>that's big office talk or something for Henry and c

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<v Speaker 2>Sick's office, because.

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<v Speaker 4>He and I got the office.

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<v Speaker 3>And you got the office.

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<v Speaker 2>But you did it because you're oh you remember, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having flashbacks of your scene something. He throws you on

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<v Speaker 2>your on the back. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so mad. Oh let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've always been taught you'll not ever lose a scene, right,

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<v Speaker 4>don't lose it. I was like, he gotta body me,

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<v Speaker 4>so I was like, I gotta have something I can do.

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<v Speaker 4>But you did the aftermath he does this like super theatrical,

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<v Speaker 4>like turning up off the table that I was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, I don't know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you trying to do that to be like I'm cool,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the way it came on. So you did.

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<v Speaker 3>You ended up winning the scene, yo. But another another scene.

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<v Speaker 1>That stuck out for me is the seven fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>episode when Harrison goes into the room and sits with Huck,

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<v Speaker 1>who is log saying the numbers. Oh, I watched it

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<v Speaker 1>again last night, said, just to refresh my memory.

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<v Speaker 3>Who was who directed that episode? What's her name? Alison

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<v Speaker 3>lay Brown? Aliston, You're incredible director. She took time with

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<v Speaker 3>all all.

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<v Speaker 4>Of us had big monologues in that episode except me.

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<v Speaker 4>I just kept saying, you were tripping, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>like what I was saying is what I could say

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<v Speaker 4>for real? Is that was the realist monologue of my life.

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<v Speaker 4>So good. I spoke to my life and respeks to

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<v Speaker 4>what it is right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're a talker, like talk talk to, talk talk to,

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<v Speaker 1>You're a door, yeah, you're you're say man, You're you're

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<v Speaker 1>an action man, you're a man yeah, and I'm outside.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So that's getting with me.

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<v Speaker 1>But but then also Columbus at the end, you say,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do now, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do in this situation because me talking

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to help you.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna sit here with you and wait for as long

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<v Speaker 3>as it takes and wain right here with you. Just

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<v Speaker 3>broke my heart. And you guys were also. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>remember that during the rehearsal for those monologues.

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<v Speaker 1>Shanda came down, rose it on down to set and

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<v Speaker 1>set in.

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<v Speaker 3>The chair and watched you guys monologue. Oh my god, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Got mine at six pm.

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<v Speaker 2>I was up the first at six am. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>ship they used to do to me, because I was

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<v Speaker 2>and I deserved it. I was the rookie. That's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>throw me in.

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<v Speaker 4>I will say this and I'll put this on everything

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<v Speaker 4>I love from Josh Molina, Jeff Jeffrey Wright, Tony Golden, you, Darby, you, everyone,

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<v Speaker 4>our carry Of course, what we showed up when.

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<v Speaker 3>It was time.

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<v Speaker 4>We knew, I don't care what was going on in

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<v Speaker 4>our lives personally, but when they said action, we had

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<v Speaker 4>to show up, and we did put it down.

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<v Speaker 1>It also felt like it was something special, something rare

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't happen often. Are are all of us coming

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<v Speaker 1>together and being on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And then when when the pieces start getting some pieces

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<v Speaker 1>get removed and shifted around Bellamie, Oh my god, so great.

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<v Speaker 1>Then then it starts to become something else, not necessarily bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just becomes something different. But there's nothing like

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<v Speaker 1>those first like three seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>We want back, like we haven't gotten there yet. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's something about like the Gladiators in O p A.

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<v Speaker 2>It's us and yeah and carry that just feels so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff like it's just the most fun and the soundtrack

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<v Speaker 2>and the music and the moves and your songs and

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<v Speaker 2>you're so weird and I'm such a dork and Abby

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<v Speaker 2>so tough, like it was just like.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it was really the off camera, so like, if

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna be honest, like we spent most most more

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<v Speaker 4>time together then we spent with our family.

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<v Speaker 2>Together hours on hours weekly, millions of hours.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean sometimes we did remember Friturdays.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Saturdays, Yeah, Saturdays, Oh my god, I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, how a rapping Saturday morning, five in the mornings.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really crazy crazy and then we'd be back

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<v Speaker 2>five am Monday morning. It was barely any time. So

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<v Speaker 2>you got questions okay, yeah, okakay, favorite, uh fave costume.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you take a suit or seven?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's the one I took a picture with geramo in.

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<v Speaker 4>It's my favorite suit. It's a three piece suit. It's gray,

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<v Speaker 4>and I had a vest to vest suit and I

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<v Speaker 4>had a clock like she gave me a time. Do

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<v Speaker 4>you remember, Oh yeah, yeah that was I was.

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<v Speaker 3>On television. But check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>You also wore suspenders really well, like you wore suspended you.

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<v Speaker 1>You had an episode where you wore pink suspenders and

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<v Speaker 1>you looked so freaking you were.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember there being like I was, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Then the pants got tighter. It was the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like but the same. It was like she

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<v Speaker 4>had to start letting things out, like letting it. But

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<v Speaker 4>I was squeezing Magee and I was squeezing and some

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<v Speaker 4>of those squeeze it.

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<v Speaker 3>In the season three high, Moode was right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think favorite actor to work with I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a favorite actor to work with is my

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<v Speaker 4>entire Scandal cast. And I put that on everything because

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<v Speaker 4>we played together the right way. That's it felt like

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<v Speaker 4>Jeffrey writes, my favorite actor, Wow, I would you know?

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<v Speaker 4>He pushed me. I can name a bunch of actors

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<v Speaker 4>but the way we worked, we got we were a

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<v Speaker 4>team and it was just I don't know, it was

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<v Speaker 4>just it's just.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're right, it felt like it felt like one

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<v Speaker 3>one like.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those scenes we had to nail where each

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<v Speaker 2>person would get a line or a paragraph and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember being like, oh my god, we're gonna get We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get it where no one would flub because it

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<v Speaker 2>would be like, you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Allowed.

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<v Speaker 4>So what I what what Shonda was writing and all

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<v Speaker 4>the writers, kudos to them, all the writers on Scandal.

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 4>They were writing a symphony. And so when you're writing

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<v Speaker 4>a symphony, everybody has to do their part to execute

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<v Speaker 4>the scene. Hell yeah, And as we were doing that,

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<v Speaker 4>there was music in the language, right, and all we

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<v Speaker 4>had to do was live in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Way, the orchestra each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, hold on, before we get into some deeper stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We normally do gear moot six Degrees of Horror.

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<v Speaker 3>Which upset Yeah, well and really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>The movie Quarantine that you did with Jennifer Carpenter is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest freaking horror movies the dollar round.

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<v Speaker 4>To them.

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<v Speaker 3>What was that like working on that film?

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<v Speaker 4>I was freak the funk out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry the time. I don't. I don't watch horror

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Like to in my spirit, right, I'm with you, not

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<v Speaker 4>a horror guy. Friends that are like yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 4>you're you know daging, you're VASKI, oh my guys like

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<v Speaker 4>they love horror.

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<v Speaker 3>I was. I was scared.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I was like, we're in this studio,

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 4>uh stage we on Sony Lot were on stage twelve

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 4>and they built this apartment and like, there's real zombies.

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Like I was just like, I gotta because you got

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<v Speaker 3>to tell the truth. Yeah, tell the truth that it's

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 3>an actor. But I was I didn't have to act.

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<v Speaker 3>I was scared. They scared into a zombie.

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 4>Like I got my net and I turned into a zombie.

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 4>And then I was like, how do you play a zombie?

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<v Speaker 3>I was really committed.

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<v Speaker 2>You were so good.

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<v Speaker 3>He was so good.

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<v Speaker 1>But also a moment yeah, but also in that movie,

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<v Speaker 1>you worked with Jennifer Carpenter, who is in the Extorcism

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<v Speaker 1>of which.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw first.

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<v Speaker 3>Yo, you saw that and you don't like movies. That

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<v Speaker 3>is the most horrifying.

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<v Speaker 4>When I got the movie, when I got them, we

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.879
<v Speaker 4>Clint told me Clint Clint Culpepper Joe k.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So wait, so Clint says, go see I said.

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<v Speaker 3>The Exorcism of Emily.

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<v Speaker 4>When he gave me the movie, he said, go see

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 4>this movie, this is the Girl. And I said all right,

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 4>and I went to right there on our Victory and

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 4>Laura Canyon this movie theater by myself and I saw

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<v Speaker 4>the movie and I was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I can never watch it again. And I love horror movies.

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<v Speaker 1>She's and it's based on a true story of a

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<v Speaker 1>girl that gets possessed, Yeah, by by your demon?

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 3>You're not watching it? Yeah, well check out this segue.

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:43.959
<v Speaker 3>This this slick segue. Going from.

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Going from six degrees six degrees of Horror, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go to six degrees of Britney Spears.

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<v Speaker 3>Because because we both had our run ins with.

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<v Speaker 2>Me Spears so very lovely.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 1>List your first got both of my bees.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, really messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>But Columbus choreographed the on its hotel tour, right Columbus,

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<v Speaker 1>I did, I did you need?

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<v Speaker 5>What in the world?

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 3>How did you book that? Like? How did that come about?

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 4>It was so weird? Okay, So, so I was on

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<v Speaker 4>tour with Stomp. I was on broad right, right, that's right,

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm making sounds with the objects, like with your feet.

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Was like, that's why the feet were jacked up, because

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>you were stomping for years before scandal.

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<v Speaker 4>So I said, I can't. I had a layoff. Do

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.479
<v Speaker 4>you guys know what a layoff is on Broadway? If

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 4>you're on a Broadway tour, you get layoffs. So we

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 4>had a seven week layoff. They give you money to

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<v Speaker 4>sit down and chill until we pick up again on

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<v Speaker 4>whatever tour we're on. And this was right before September eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>I was in Temple, Florida, and I was high on Molly. No,

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<v Speaker 4>not Molly, Molly didn't exist. It was ecstasy, yeah. And

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<v Speaker 4>I saw Brittany with a PEPSI can and I was

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<v Speaker 4>with my friends and I said cast mates, and I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting up for one day. They were like, you're

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<v Speaker 4>freaking crazy. Anyway, come on for the layoff.

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<v Speaker 3>I got.

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<v Speaker 4>I get this house. I got seven thousand dollars, So

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<v Speaker 4>I put four thousand dollars down on this house. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm living with these dancers and they're all dancers. I'm

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 4>just chilling, right, but they're you know, helping me pay

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 4>the rent in New York and they're going to dance

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<v Speaker 4>auditions and stuff, and I was like, I want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do that, and of course you could do it.

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 4>I want to do that. So I started going to

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<v Speaker 4>dance auditions and Wade.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, Michael Jackson to music.

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<v Speaker 4>So here's the correlation. I was producing music with my partner,

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin tant Rohan, who was Wade's assistant, and so he

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<v Speaker 4>was like, we were making music. We're producing music where

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 4>we're writing and producing for artists that are in the game.

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<v Speaker 4>And he says, come to this audition and I got

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<v Speaker 4>cut in the first round. I didn't have with Brian Friedman.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't do that.

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I was, I don't believe I didn't have this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, And so I got cut and I was like, man, someday.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 3>So I worked.

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 4>So what I started doing was it takes ten thousand

0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 4>hours to be a master of air craft. So I

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 4>was like, I'm going to go to class every day.

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<v Speaker 4>So I started obsessing.

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 3>I quit the tour, quit my job. I quit my job.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I said, I'm not coming back. September eleventh, I

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<v Speaker 4>was supposed to be in Boston flight United. Wow, maybe

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 4>not the same flight, but still I pivoted and I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in the five six.

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<v Speaker 3>Every day.

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<v Speaker 4>And then a year later, a year later, I was

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<v Speaker 4>working with Jamie King on a Nike industrial Jamie and

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 4>the Tallawego brothers and these people.

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Jamie King, who produces and for Madonna has done a

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>bunch of tours of Madonna.

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 4>So and breaking off the plane, we do a Nike

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<v Speaker 4>Industry on Japan. Where were we Japan or somewhere? And

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 4>he and we land back in l A and X

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 4>and he goes, tomorrow, I needs you to meet me

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 4>in Chicago. I said, meet you in Chicago. He said,

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 4>your flight's already booked. I'm literally getting my bag from

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 4>the thing. I go to Chicago and all of the

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 4>legendary choreographers are in Chicago, and I'm like, oh, what

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 4>is happening?

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 3>I said, what's happening? I know I'm about to tell you.

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 4>I said, what's happening Jamie? And he it's Oprah. We

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 4>gotta do Oprah. It's it's Oprah. We have to do

0:32:56.760 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 4>the gap campaign. What's happening? Madonna and Missy? Oh?

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Remember remember? Yes?

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course?

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<v Speaker 4>So he goes in back in the back of the stay.

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 4>So I'm looking at Gil, I'm looking at brand Friedman.

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I mean like all.

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Of the top of the game, the legendary choreographer.

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 4>And he goes, I need six eight counter right now.

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 4>Columbus teach it to them and we're going on stage

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 4>in fifteen minutes. I said, So, I looking at hi guys,

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 4>love you guys man, I'm a big fan and five

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 4>six seven and I created something out of out of nowhere.

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 4>Boom We've got on stage. We did the Oprah I

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 4>booty bumped with the Oprah. Awesome moment shut and and

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 4>when I landed back in La, he goes, I want

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 4>you to be on the Brittany tour.

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 3>What Yeah?

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 4>And I'm doing the Brittany Tour. So I got the

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 4>Brittany tour one day while we're due I'm at rehearsal

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 4>for two weeks. I'm doing rehearsals with Brittany as a dancer,

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 4>just as a dancer. And you're high and my partner

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Kevin tan Rowan, we are, who's a really stope director?

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 4>Now shout out keV and he's like, Columbus, we have

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.239
<v Speaker 4>a session tonight and what are you doing. I'm like,

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm at Brittany reheards the dude. He's like, be here

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 4>at six o'clock. It's like, boom, get to the studio.

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm at the studio, said, who's our session with? And

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 4>he's like, wait for it, waiting for it. The gate

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:33.720
<v Speaker 4>opens and it's fucking Brittany. Brittany, it's me. He didn't

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 4>tell me it's Brittany.

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 3>They come.

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 4>She comes in the.

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Student with Felicia, with Felicia.

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 4>Remember Felicia, Flicia Felicia.

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, who is a bunch of the documentaries, an

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 1>old family friend.

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, Brittany and Felicia.

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 4>Truck big, big rob It was big, No, it's big

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 4>Mike to get truck boom and she's like.

0:34:58.000 --> 0:34:59.959
<v Speaker 3>Oh my lord, Columbus, what you're dying?

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 4>I said, what are you doing here? And she's like,

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 4>you're up. I was like, yeah, I'm believe.

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 3>What song did you guys do me against the music? Oh?

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.919
<v Speaker 3>My god? So wait with Madonna? Is that the woman Donna?

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 4>Let me tell you that I'm finishing the story. So

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 4>Brittany goes, We're in the studio, we're working, we're doing

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 4>remixes all the like cool remixes for the tour, like

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 4>to make certain numbers, invent certain numbers. Oops, I did again.

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, you know slave, you know we're remixing stuff.

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.879
<v Speaker 4>And she goes, I really hate and Larry Rudolph, never

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 4>forget Larry Rudolph is there and he and and she goes,

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 4>I there the single they want Me to do is

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 4>called outrageous by R. Kelly, and she goes, I don't

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 4>like this single. I don't want this to come out.

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 4>I don't want me against the music. I said, so,

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 4>what's the problem with me against the music? I heard

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 4>the record, Me and Kevin listen to the record, and

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 4>I said, I'm just sitting there and I rocked for

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 4>a couple of seconds, and I said, I got an idea.

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 4>Didn't you just kiss Madonna last week on the Movie Awards.

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 4>Swear to God, I said, didn't you just kiss Madonna?

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 3>She said yeah.

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 4>I said, call Madonna right now, get her on this record.

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 4>You get Madonna, You get Madonna on this amazing, I

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:23.919
<v Speaker 4>swear to God, this is how it went down. I said,

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 4>if you get Madonna on this record, she says, you said,

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 4>I said, call Madonna right now, right now, there's nothing. Note,

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 4>don't put off tomorrow. What you can do right now?

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 4>Call Madonna. She called Madonna. Madonna's like, I want to

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 4>hear it. I want to see it. So Madonna flies

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 4>to LA. The next day, I set up a rehearsal

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.359
<v Speaker 4>at Culver City Studios with all the dancers to show

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 4>her the presentation.

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>And Madonna's sitting and did you choreograph what you showed?

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:54.240
<v Speaker 4>Of course, So Madonna was like, yeah, I mean, next

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 4>thing I know. I hired Paul Hunter, the direct video

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 4>Hunter and boom At an MTV dude the video. We

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.279
<v Speaker 4>did all this stuff and then we made the video.

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>And then cut to me doing the I Want to

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Go video with Brittany.

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how the hell I got that. That

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 3>was just chance.

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>The director was a fan of Weeds and Half Baked,

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and so in the beginning of the video, I stand

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>up and she says, you know, fuck you, fuck you

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>You're cool from Half Babe, and I'm the guy that

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>when she says you're cool, she points to me, and

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:24.839
<v Speaker 1>I stand up and give the thumbs up.

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 3>That's all I was supposed to do in the video.

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 3>And then the night so psyched. Oh yeah, but not close.

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 3>Madonna was coming to come to our set. You kid, you.

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't have survived. He would not have.

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 4>I was working on it, so like trying to get

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 4>Madonna to just come in one day and just squeeze,

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 4>you would have died.

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Died. Rae was a regular on Scam. Yes, she came

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>and she was like, Ellen DeGeneres is having Madonna as

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 2>a guest tomorrow. We're going to get g on it.

0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 2>He's going to be the guest.

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 3>J I got showed him.

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I showed her my show.

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, I showed him my tattoo of her.

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't know. And I got down on my knees

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and bowed. And the look on Madonna's face was like, oh, yeah,

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly where you should be.

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Why isn't everyone else on their knees.

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, this isn't about Madonna, it's not about Brittany,

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 1>It's about Columbus short.

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:20.879
<v Speaker 2>But it's the best.

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 5>This is crazy, That's what I mean.

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Like you brought all of that to Harrison is how

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I like the moving and the musicality of Harrison. It

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 2>is not lost on me that no one, none of

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 2>us could do that, because none of us were choreographing

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.399
<v Speaker 2>for fucking Britney Spirits or asking Madonna to be on

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:39.320
<v Speaker 2>one of her songs.

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 5>Okay, okay, we already talked about this part.

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, deep questions, let's go, let's go.

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:47.879
<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back. Guys.

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:53.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know where to start with this, but

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>like I'm trying to even remember, like where when it

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.040
<v Speaker 2>started to fall apart.

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 4>So I would I would whisper in Gierramo's ear because

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.839
<v Speaker 4>you know, I was struggling, guys like I was. You know,

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.839
<v Speaker 4>my marriage was was toxic, it was terrible, and I

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 4>was using drugs to try to battle whatever I was

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 4>going through with my marriage and all this stuff. But

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 4>I just or the one thing I knew my life

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 4>could be in shambles, The one thing I knew was

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 4>not let you guys down. So I'd come and to

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 4>Garramu and tell him stuff like man, this this heaven,

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.760
<v Speaker 4>this is what's going on. You know, I was showing

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 4>up late work, unprofessional I was doing. I just started

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 4>to fall apart because I had my life became unmanageable

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:48.320
<v Speaker 4>and and and I didn't and I wanted to protect

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 4>myself from shame and also shanda and Mary. I thank

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 4>you guys, Betsy, I thank you guys. They were trying

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 4>to protect me too, and I but when it came,

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 4>when it became too, when I wasn't being honest with

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 4>things and wasn't like, what's really going on? Are you

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 4>with your wife or you're not with your wife? We

0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 4>told you to get out of that situation. You're not,

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 4>You're still in it. You're doing all these weird things,

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 4>blah blah blahm. And then once it was over, well,

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 4>I remember the call. So I was in this ten

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 4>thousand square foot house and.

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I remember you getting that.

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:26.799
<v Speaker 4>Yep, And I'm in this ten thousand square foot house.

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 4>I knew Season four, I'm about to get paid. We're

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:31.879
<v Speaker 4>about to get paid, right, we were about to get paid,

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 4>and I boom trumped out here. But I had already

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:41.480
<v Speaker 4>made my private decision to remove myself from the toxicity.

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 4>But they were the person the individual, wasn't They were like, oh,

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 4>he really is doing that. And then it was headline,

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 4>out of nowhere, out of nowhere, this is true, out

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 4>of nowhere. I had like Shanda calls me with Betsy,

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 4>Mary Paul Lee ahead of.

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 3>On the phone.

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 4>That's a tough call all the agencies. But everybody's on

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 4>the phone and they're like, Columbus, we need no more headlines.

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.359
<v Speaker 4>I said, I swear to God there will be no

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 4>more headlines. I'm trying to stay out the way. So

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 4>I dipped Arizona and I dipped that Arizona. And two

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 4>weeks later, TMZ dropped the headline that I that I

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 4>ransacked my house or some some some headline. I don't

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 4>remember it, but it's something like that. You gotta know

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 4>what it's just. It was strategic.

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 3>So that happens, I.

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 4>Go into a spiral because I get the call, I know,

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.720
<v Speaker 4>Monday morning. This happened on a Friday. I said, Monday,

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm gone. I'm gone. No, I know it for sure.

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 4>So I was just praying. I was like, but they

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 4>called me. I was like, they said, but as they said,

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, we're gonna we can't move forward Columbus like this,

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:00.839
<v Speaker 4>and we were going in the season four. Guy, Yeah,

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 4>I was so broken hearted and I went into I

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 4>went into a dark, darn place for years and and

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 4>because not only were you guys my family, it was

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 4>my livelihood, of course, my you know my name, and

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 4>when it was not you know, I had my own issues,

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 4>but the issues that were being named in the public

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 4>were not my issues.

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 3>So I was just like, you know.

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:36.240
<v Speaker 2>No, no, yes, drugs were an issue, marriage was an issue,

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 2>but there were things that came out in the press.

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've never abused no women like that. This I

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 3>was the first meet to guy.

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 4>I started it before it was even me too, wasn't

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 4>even it was just me.

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 2>It was okay, so it was But the drugs and

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.800
<v Speaker 2>things like that, that was like in because I remember, yeah,

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 2>like one in two.

0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 3>You guys supported my son's football team. You guys that

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 3>money in That's right, that's right, super yeah, yeah, you

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean.

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, whatever, So I and I, you know, it's funny.

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mention it, but I remember, you know, you're

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 2>such a stand up guy in your heart, Like I

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 2>remember you're complaining about your feet hurting so bad, and

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 2>we're wrapping at seven o'clock in the morning and you're

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 2>like rushing home to go straight to like take your

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 2>kid to school, you know what I mean. Like you

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 2>were like and then I don't know when it shifted

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:30.280
<v Speaker 2>whatever happened in season three. I don't know what drugs keeping.

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 4>Thing secret from you guys. Yeah, like I Giermo was

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:37.800
<v Speaker 4>my secret squirrel, Like for real, he knew about ida

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:42.240
<v Speaker 4>with my wife, you know, he knew that was happening early,

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 4>the little small little della when.

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>We were we were trailer mates too, like where we

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>shared a trailer.

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 4>But yeld me just tell me the truth. I was

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 4>so ashamed of course life. Yeah, it was raggedy. My

0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 4>life was raggedy. And I just want to say I

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 4>was making mistakes. So imagine I've for since I was

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 4>a kid. The only thing I knew was entertainment. The

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 4>only thing I knew how to do was to dance,

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:16.440
<v Speaker 4>to sing, to play the mute, play drums, play keyboard, playing,

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 4>sing and act. That's all I knew how to do.

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know how to do anything when the rug

0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 4>was perverbally a slip from underneath me. So I went

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.360
<v Speaker 4>into a spiral and I kept making stupid ass mistakes.

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.360
<v Speaker 4>I was doing it on purpose. I was making dumb,

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 4>dumb decisions. And tell my wife, thank you to my

0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 4>wife who was my friend before she was my wife,

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 4>And was like, Columbus, you are better than this. You

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 4>are you can and I and she and then we

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 4>and she got pregnant and then with Denzel and I

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 4>named him Didnzel, And from the moment Denzel was born,

0:44:56.360 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 4>it was like, let's go, let's get it back. Things

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 4>starting to happen. Yes, yes, and I'm just it was

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 4>just a change in my life. And life's not perfect.

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 4>But when you of course not when you're when you're

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 4>walking with the proverbial scarlet letter on your back or

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 4>this this, this misnomer.

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Or this dark cloud. It's hard.

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 4>It's hard, and the hardest part of it if anything

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 4>was missing you guys, I put that on everything I

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 4>love for us, letting you guys down. I knew you

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 4>guys couldn't talk to me. I knew Carrie couldn't talk

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 4>to me. I knew it was I knew what it

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 4>was that you don't have to even say that. It

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 4>was just like Columbus is boom bomb ostraciz is type thing.

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 1>But it was awful, you know, Yeah, you know how

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:47.600
<v Speaker 1>hard it was to shoot that scene where where Harrison dies,

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Like we were all like sobbing that day, everybody, even Oliver,

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.240
<v Speaker 1>I remember Oliver miss Man.

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:56.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was that was one of.

0:45:56.239 --> 0:46:01.360
<v Speaker 2>The hardest watch honestly, Like, as your friend but also

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 2>as an artist, it was just like, I mean, it

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 2>was really hard to watch someone mess up who has

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:13.400
<v Speaker 2>more talent in his finger than anybody you know. And

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>it was like even you on your worst day, if

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you're late, or you had had at night or whatever,

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 2>it was like you, even then your acting was phenomenal,

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 2>still brought it to watch some unacceptable it's not professional,

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:32.280
<v Speaker 2>not excepting, but I'm just saying, you're such a talented

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 2>human being and to watch you, for whatever reason, sabotage

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and make the choices that I get yourself out was

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 2>hard to be like, oh my god, like please please don't, don't. Don't, don't,

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 2>don't don't. We've got such a good thing going.

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 4>Like linch, I don't want to get emotional because I

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:58.720
<v Speaker 4>remember the day when you guys are you and Darby

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:01.879
<v Speaker 4>Gus pulled up on the van when it was all

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 4>going down that day, I was I was having a

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 4>nervous breakdown and I just had to get through the

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:18.799
<v Speaker 4>day right And we got through the day, and you know,

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 4>I pushed through all of that and man, I was like,

0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna do this today. I'm not gonna get

0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 4>emotional today. But you guys don't even know, like I'm sorry.

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, Katie, I'm sorry, Gammook, like I'm from the

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 4>bottom of my heart. I'm sorry man, because you guys

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 4>were my team and I was a team leader, and

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 4>I'll let you guys down and I deal with that

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 4>every day.

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>You're so good man. If anything it you know you.

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I never felt like you let me down. I felt

0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>more pissed off and upset and so sad that you

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 1>weren't going to be there anymore and you were letting

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:04.800
<v Speaker 1>yourself down.

0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 3>More than anything. I never felt like the fuck.

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.919
<v Speaker 1>It was more like where's Columbus, Like he's gone, that's

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:13.879
<v Speaker 1>not there, you know what I mean.

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 4>I let Carrie down.

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever talked to them since?

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 4>No, I've talked to Carrie, but I have not been

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.000
<v Speaker 4>able to say I'm sorry.

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 4>And you know, through all you know, therapy and the

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.720
<v Speaker 4>groups and the classes and all the stuff that I've done,

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 4>it's about making amends and not just like I've been

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.799
<v Speaker 4>able to make amends to the closest alligators to the boat,

0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 4>but I've never been able to This is the first time.

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 4>If Seanda's hearing this, if Carrie's hearing this, and I'm sorry, Tony,

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, Jeff, I'm sorry, Me, I'm sorry. You know

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 4>what I mean. Like that, that's it I say about that.

0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Listen, every time we all speak and we get together

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and you up, it's it's it's nothing but love, like

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 1>it is always likes.

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Always it is always like and like it is like

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:12.439
<v Speaker 2>I've never heard anybody truly like It's what Gierma was saying.

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Everyone was like, we don't want to lose you, and

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 2>we felt like we had this. You know, it was

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 2>so crazy being on a Judy Smith Olivia Pope show

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 2>because I think actually, maybe you were going down way

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 2>earlier than any of us kind of knew. And we

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 2>were so good at like keeping shit under wraps almost

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 2>because you were fixers that Like I think like even

0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 2>before you know, I don't know what was going on

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 2>in your personal life, but stuff was going on. I

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know if Judy helped.

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.080
<v Speaker 1>You or that.

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I feel like I don't know if that

0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 2>was for better or for worse.

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 4>Who you know and you know so so part of it.

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:55.439
<v Speaker 2>It's a long time ago now. And again, like GiMA said,

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 2>no one ever said bad shit about you.

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 4>Say this and closing is that I didn't know the

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:09.439
<v Speaker 4>impact of me being an African American male number two

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:13.239
<v Speaker 4>on the call sheet. After Steven left second season, we

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:15.400
<v Speaker 4>were in our bubble. We all we did was worked.

0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 4>I was all work in Twitter. That's what I didn't know.

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know how I was really impacting a culture

0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:26.840
<v Speaker 4>that's a lot of.

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:30.440
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't until I was fired.

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:34.120
<v Speaker 4>And then it was like this one time Dave Chappelle,

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 4>I went twitch to the laugh Factory and Dave Sapelle

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 4>there and I had done I got on stage because

0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:40.919
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you guys know I do stand

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:43.439
<v Speaker 4>up on the you know, I've been started in stand

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:47.360
<v Speaker 4>up early. And so anyway, Dave. I went up before

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 4>Dave and Dave they goes Columbus short, This's crazy, this is.

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:57.320
<v Speaker 7>He said, he was this, This man was on scale

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:00.399
<v Speaker 7>of Harrison right. He said, how did you fuck up?

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.160
<v Speaker 7>Right in front of everybody? And I was just like

0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:07.280
<v Speaker 7>he said, and he just it was such a dope.

0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 7>He killed me, but he was killing me with.

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:16.760
<v Speaker 4>Love and and and you know, from that day I

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 4>just was like moving through earth, like journeying through earth

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 4>with a with a with a with a cloud and

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.840
<v Speaker 4>it's like every move I was making, I was like,

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 4>I got how am I gonna? I almost gave up

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:35.319
<v Speaker 4>a few times, multiple times, gave up on life, not

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 4>committed sudicide. But I'm saying just like I'm gonna this is,

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm done, and I don't know what else to do.

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't I'm not And and thank you, Thanks be

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 4>to God for my wife, from from my kids, inspirations

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 4>that come from multiple sources. And I prayed for this day,

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.799
<v Speaker 4>the day that I could look at you and say

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, and look at you and say I'm sorry

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:04.240
<v Speaker 4>you and and have this one moment to make a miss.

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 4>And this is a blessing right now.

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:07.960
<v Speaker 3>So that's all I want to feel that way.

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like you've been. We were like, can we get

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Columbus on here, Like do you think he would be

0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:17.439
<v Speaker 2>open to like hanging out and talking about it? Because honestly, dude,

0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 2>you're such when we watch it back like you're the show.

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:22.800
<v Speaker 2>It's just like you're.

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:24.560
<v Speaker 3>So we were the show.

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where did you get like tell me about now,

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>like ten years later or however long it is. I

0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:38.040
<v Speaker 2>think it's even longer longer. I don't know how did you.

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I know, thank God your wife and your kids like

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:43.400
<v Speaker 2>set you straight and clean and things like that. But

0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 2>was there, like what else helped you? Therapy? You said,

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 2>have you done?

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:48.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:55.600
<v Speaker 4>I started going to twelve Steps and going to group

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:59.759
<v Speaker 4>meetings with you know, people that have struggled with all

0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 4>kind of things, and through that, I'm becoming, believe it

0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 4>or not, an avoc like an ambassador and an advocate

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 4>and a leader in these spaces where I'm like, these

0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 4>people are broken, these people are struggling, and and and

0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:20.279
<v Speaker 4>it's it's every week I just I get something else.

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:23.800
<v Speaker 4>And uh so I've been doing that for a while

0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 4>and it's changed my life in terms of interpersonal relationships

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 4>and even me and my wife couples therapy, like I

0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 4>want our marriage to thrive, you know what I mean?

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.480
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean. It's good like shop, you

0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:43.279
<v Speaker 4>got to deal with you, right, you gotta do you go,

0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 4>so we got to deal with humans and and through

0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 4>that when my life was completely goal oriented, my goals

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:59.840
<v Speaker 4>now are peace in my home, peace with my kids,

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 4>their productivity, education, surrounded by love, non toxicity in the home.

0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:09.839
<v Speaker 4>All of these things, these are the things that those

0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.440
<v Speaker 4>are the things that are important to me and to

0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 4>in my life. And so that's and and let me

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.680
<v Speaker 4>just say this, even though those are the things that important,

0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 4>don't think that I don't miss being at the highest

0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 4>level of the game. Of course, because this is my craft.

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 4>I miss it.

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:29.440
<v Speaker 2>So tell me about that. Have you been acting lately?

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Like what's going on?

0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:30.600
<v Speaker 4>And now?

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, I was relegated to the two V movies and BT.

0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:38.880
<v Speaker 4>Plus minus b A T minus and all of those things.

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:43.319
<v Speaker 4>So I was doing those, was keeping food in my mouth.

0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Listen, I can name a couple of things. I am

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:52.000
<v Speaker 3>so proud of about thing. So I started a tech

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:53.320
<v Speaker 3>company and play a lot of golf.

0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 2>And I started athlete.

0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:59.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah I'm an athlete, and I was right, I know, so,

0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:01.799
<v Speaker 4>so play a lot of golf. So I started a

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 4>tech company called ORCA United Society ORCA United. We're dealing

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:09.960
<v Speaker 4>in tech, but we're Web three, Web four, we're dealing

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:15.759
<v Speaker 4>with sports entertainment. We are in multi media, the new

0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 4>Web three multimedia UH entertainment company. So with that has

0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:26.280
<v Speaker 4>come multiple opportunities as we're leading the way. In understand,

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.440
<v Speaker 4>I was on, I was, I was, I was dealing

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.680
<v Speaker 4>with AI before SAD was dealing well right, And that's

0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 4>what I was doing all the low. Did you get

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 4>into this magical mystery? And but I'm blessed and so

0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.880
<v Speaker 4>yeah and so. But but what the core is I

0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 4>want to make product. I want to continue to make

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:48.880
<v Speaker 4>good television, continue to make good film, continue to put

0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 4>athletes in positions to be successful on the golf course,

0:55:53.200 --> 0:55:56.239
<v Speaker 4>on the football field, on the basketball court, any in

0:55:56.320 --> 0:56:00.560
<v Speaker 4>any avenue. And and that is kind of the conglomorate

0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.319
<v Speaker 4>that's been kind of brought to me. But one of

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 4>the things that was hyper important. And I'll bring it

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:08.920
<v Speaker 4>back to one. Until home got right, Nothing that I

0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:11.160
<v Speaker 4>do it was going to be right. And this is

0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 4>us getting it right. Yeah, I love you, Love you

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:15.759
<v Speaker 4>so much.

0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 3>To Columbus.

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 4>I am content and happy where I am in life. Obviously,

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:27.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, I believe that great things are ahead for

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.560
<v Speaker 4>all of us. And you know I'm always going to

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 4>have for you. I'm always going to have your back.

0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:37.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to always tell you over a cliff and

0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:39.400
<v Speaker 4>that's period, point blank. I live by that.

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Hell, you look at this guy, yo.

0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 1>But here here's a fun question. Did you ever think

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:47.439
<v Speaker 1>about how you would have liked Harrison, how you would

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.600
<v Speaker 1>have liked his story to end on Scandal because I

0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 1>mean the way it ended.

0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Was you know, it was tragic. It was tragic, and

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 4>it was thought that post and the guy I watched

0:56:56.680 --> 0:57:01.799
<v Speaker 4>like three or four episodes, you know a yeah, like

0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:06.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about season four. Season four was tough even

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.719
<v Speaker 4>and Cornelius, you did a wonderful job. Cornelius, you did

0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 4>a wonderful job. You know that was you were you were,

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:18.320
<v Speaker 4>you were stellar, coming in solid as a rock. But

0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 4>it was it was tough for me to see that

0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't on my team. Can you imagine a football player.

0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 4>Imagine Travis Kelce not being able to be on the

0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:34.080
<v Speaker 4>field with Patrick Mahomes and you know, the rest of

0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 4>his team playing them for the Super Bowl. That's what

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 4>I felt like. I felt like an injured player on

0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 4>the field and it was so I couldn't watch. But

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 4>when I did watch, was you guys holding it up

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:49.760
<v Speaker 4>and holding up the standard and doing it the right way,

0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:52.680
<v Speaker 4>and and I was like, they're good, you know what

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:53.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean?

0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Hell yah?

0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So wait, so did you say how you would have

0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:57.920
<v Speaker 1>liked Harrison's story to end.

0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:03.560
<v Speaker 4>I would have liked Harrison to eventually have been with Katie,

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:04.960
<v Speaker 4>how we started.

0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Like in like in a relationship.

0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:16.640
<v Speaker 4>It was it was Nonslieve came in, but but you know,

0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 4>and I was mad by the way, how you get

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 4>a sex scene before me?

0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 3>What the hell was listen? I was shocked to Darby

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:29.800
<v Speaker 3>get a second. Y'all, y'all was having sex. Y'all was

0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:33.800
<v Speaker 3>having sex. I was having no sex. I don't have sex.

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.439
<v Speaker 2>I remember like three when things were starting to.

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Go, they waited.

0:58:41.360 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have no Yeah, taking off, like taking shirt off,

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:49.400
<v Speaker 1>like taking shout.

0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:51.720
<v Speaker 4>My wasn't ready.

0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I still used to say, though, I remember like you

0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:59.800
<v Speaker 2>were upset right like, and you were upset that they

0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:01.000
<v Speaker 2>were and giving you a ton.

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Of storyline no storyline, And I'm sending her emails.

0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Like, but that's because season three four, wasn't she saying?

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Am I making this up? I don't know my memory.

0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:10.840
<v Speaker 3>I was faulty as a human.

0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was saying, prove that you can do it, yes,

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and I'll give it to you.

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes. That was it. That was it.

0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I remember you were pissed so you would go to

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:21.560
<v Speaker 2>table reads and it wouldn't be like a real Harrison

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Juicy story.

0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:24.920
<v Speaker 4>You were just late three times ready to do it.

0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 4>You were late three times last week, and how am

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:28.959
<v Speaker 4>I going to give you a storyline? You were late

0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:33.880
<v Speaker 4>last month? Darby's complaining. This person's complaining. This is you know,

0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:38.520
<v Speaker 4>you're not showing, You're not showing up and doing trust

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 4>you with more, and you're not doing the job right.

0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:47.840
<v Speaker 4>And even though the ratings were right, numbers are right

0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:53.880
<v Speaker 4>for Life, but they were Harrison Ryan, but the Life

0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:55.120
<v Speaker 4>was Harrison wrong wrong.

0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:59:55.880 --> 0:59:59.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So you know, since then, as a producer, as

0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:02.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm producing projects just like you do, just like you

1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:06.480
<v Speaker 4>guys do, Like I never realized the responsibility of like

1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:11.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, time is money. This is this Like I'm like, dude,

1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:15.040
<v Speaker 4>when people showing up late to my set, I'm like, gosh,

1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:17.760
<v Speaker 4>what are you doing this? And I'm like, I have

1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:21.400
<v Speaker 4>to stall myself out with certain actors, young actors that

1:00:21.480 --> 1:00:24.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm like being hard on them. But I was doing

1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:27.720
<v Speaker 4>the same stupid ship and so I'm like, man, now

1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:30.520
<v Speaker 4>I look back, if I could have did it again,

1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:34.360
<v Speaker 4>oh man, I would have did it different. But everything

1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:36.920
<v Speaker 4>that I went through, everything that I did, all the mistakes,

1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:38.920
<v Speaker 4>has led me to the man that I am. To him,

1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:40.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm proud of the man I am.

1:00:40.760 --> 1:00:42.360
<v Speaker 3>No regrets man, no regrets.

1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:46.960
<v Speaker 2>What are your acting roles right now? Like where do

1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:48.480
<v Speaker 2>you where would you love to I.

1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:51.720
<v Speaker 4>Don't have dream acting roles. I played Martin Luther King recently.

1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:57.160
<v Speaker 4>That was one of the dreams. My dream is to

1:00:57.200 --> 1:01:00.080
<v Speaker 4>be able to put other actors and tell good stories,

1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.360
<v Speaker 4>not black stories, not like you believe it or not.

1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:07.960
<v Speaker 4>When I'm the director and the studio, when I'm Lou Wasserman,

1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:10.240
<v Speaker 4>the movie I want to make, I want to make

1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:13.520
<v Speaker 4>The Diary and Frank you know, those are the movies

1:01:13.560 --> 1:01:15.959
<v Speaker 4>I want to make. I love that story.

1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 4>You know there's a story of there's a story of

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<v Speaker 4>Japanese soldiers in World War Two that nobody talks about,

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<v Speaker 4>the nis A soldiers. Those are stories I want to tell.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not about you to direct, direct, produce and act.

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<v Speaker 4>But really, if I know that, if I can I

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<v Speaker 4>have the infrastructure to put actors in positions to make

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<v Speaker 4>successful stories and tell truthless stories, then I'm doing the

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<v Speaker 4>right drop period, point blank album. I got an album.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not doing an album to win Grammys necessarily or

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<v Speaker 4>to sell go platinum. I'm forty one years old. I

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<v Speaker 4>just want to make for I have to finish the

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<v Speaker 4>the assignment. And you know my album's done, it's coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>You're singing, Yeah, yeah, my album.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell us what it's called and where we

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<v Speaker 2>can find the headlines? When does the drop?

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna drop it in the spring. Yeah, it's coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's coming in hot Okay. In closing, yes, is there

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<v Speaker 2>anything that you feel like you have not said or

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<v Speaker 2>want to say or anything? I don't feel like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just want you to leave feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>The only thing I want to leave saying is I

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<v Speaker 4>am sorry and over a cliff. Hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's it always man. Thank you for doing this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, appreciate you doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're happy.

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<v Speaker 4>Love you guys.

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