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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Higheart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is crazy, you guys. You guys, we have.

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Speaker 1: Our family's here, our original family is here.

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Speaker 2: Gladiator in a Suit. Yes, this is a very very

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Speaker 2: special episode. It's a standalone, it's a episode.

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Speaker 1: This is the first time we're in a studio with

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Speaker 1: this podcast because of this man.

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Speaker 2: And we were like, we've been wanting to get Columbus

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Speaker 2: Short on Unpacking the Toolbox for a while, I say,

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Speaker 2: like two years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're saving it too because we.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to do in person, and we were so psyched

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Speaker 2: that you're open to it and into it, and we're

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Speaker 2: very happy to see you, happy.

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Speaker 4: To see you.

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Speaker 3: And they're going to flip their wigs. Remember when I said,

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Speaker 3: y'all will flip your wigs. This is why. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: you guys.

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Speaker 2: This is the man, the myth, the legend who literally

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Speaker 2: said do you want to be a gladiator in a suit?

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Speaker 4: To you?

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Speaker 2: To me and your face like this is crazy, Like

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Speaker 2: I could get emotional about it. To Columbus Short, first

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Speaker 2: of all, thank you for doing this. Let it be

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Speaker 2: known gladiators that Columbus We're going to get into questions

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Speaker 2: and have a good time. But also you brought the

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Speaker 2: most funnest friends you brought Neo.

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Speaker 3: Neo came and saying Happy birthday to Carrie.

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Speaker 2: Washington because of Columbus short Neo came saying happy birthday,

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Speaker 2: and I gave him a hug and I was like,

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Speaker 2: that's the most cologne I've ever smelled on.

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Speaker 5: His And it smelled so good, and he.

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Speaker 2: Was so talented, and I all day I would like

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Speaker 2: to catch a whiff of it on my sweater and

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, that's near cologne. Yeah. Wait, can you

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Speaker 2: first take us back, like where were you when you

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Speaker 2: booked the part, because didn't you were an offer or

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Speaker 2: you had to audition. Tell us how you got this

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Speaker 2: part and where you were in your life career.

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Speaker 4: So Shanda had the couple of years before had said

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Speaker 4: to me, offered a private practice, and I was like,

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Speaker 4: I do not want to do television. I want to

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Speaker 4: be a movie star. That was my idea. I was like,

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Speaker 4: I want to be a movie star, like I'm I'm

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Speaker 4: on a movie.

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Speaker 2: Star track and at the time those were different trail.

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Speaker 4: And I said, but you know what, there's a guy

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Speaker 3: No way, yeah, suggested love. That's because that's my guy.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, and he's down, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's down for the child. I wasn't so then that

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget the night C A A messaged the

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Speaker 4: you know when back in the day when they message

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Speaker 4: sent messengers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. You would have to go.

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Speaker 4: I gotta go get the script out, yes, yeah, And

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Speaker 4: they sent it wasn't called scandal, it was damage.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, man, let me see.

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Speaker 4: And I read it and she had me at free. Well,

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Speaker 4: first of all, I didn't read it. I put it

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Speaker 4: on my my night stand and I was like, I'm

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Speaker 4: A and Real Steen Entertainment Partners my team. I said, nah,

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to do no TV. And something woke

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Speaker 1: Hell yes, hello, wait did you did you have the

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Speaker 1: first line in the script right.

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Speaker 3: Now a date?

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Speaker 6: And then he says, I'm not here to bring you

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Speaker 3: This is not a day.

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Speaker 2: But like, this is not a date.

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Speaker 4: And I had just three days before that watched so

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Speaker 4: Vodama came to.

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Speaker 1: Visit yet that day, Brun, you brought all the stars, dude,

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Speaker 1: Well didn't you bring Madonna?

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Speaker 3: You should have brought Madonna. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 4: So Wilmer came and he was just like, do your thing,

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Speaker 2: I was so nervous, but cameos, which you don't get nervous.

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Speaker 2: You're not like that. And I remember picking you up.

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Speaker 2: We shared a trailer in the pilot. After the pilot,

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Speaker 2: know we're about to shoot the Quinn Harrison scene that honestly.

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Speaker 3: The opening scene.

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Speaker 2: And he says, you will slay dragons. You will love

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Speaker 2: say it, say it, and I go, say, what gladiators do?

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Speaker 2: You want to be a latter? I want to be

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Speaker 2: a gladder in a suit.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so that's the scene we're all talking about.

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Speaker 2: I pick you up, I knock, and I remember, like

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Speaker 4: and I remember that moment and you were so Katie, like,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you from you know, Shoshana Bean

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about equity Broadway. They love you, right, So

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Speaker 2: And the other memory I remember so well is after

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Speaker 2: do your monologue and I remember everybody in video village

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Speaker 2: remember that?

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Speaker 3: Reason?

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Speaker 2: I never did that again.

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Speaker 3: Because I had to sit.

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Speaker 4: And the reason Wilmer was there is because I needed

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Speaker 3: Not a day.

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Speaker 4: And and and so what happened after that? We created

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Speaker 4: scandal pace true or not true?

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Speaker 4: From that day, I just said, spit it out as

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Speaker 1: I mean you knew because that makes every scene, every

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Speaker 4: It makes it better.

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Speaker 2: Wait, so do you call Shanda? Take it back really quick?

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Speaker 2: I'm in what did you do?

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Speaker 4: So let me tell you what happened. Yeah, So I

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Speaker 4: it's Betsy Beers, Jeff's wife, Linda. And it's Linda Jeff, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It was something else wrong, but so so so Olivia Price.

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Speaker 4: my life. Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: And then I feel like we all got super close

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Speaker 3: But you were the start. You were not as I

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Speaker 3: wasn't know you were you were? You were? You were?

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Speaker 3: That wasn't even rehearse that. I don't believe. So I

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Speaker 2: Well, because at the Studio Network table read, the only

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Speaker 1: I remember I walk in with the with the rings

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Speaker 1: for Henry ian Cusick was this Stephen for Steven?

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Speaker 3: So what happened? So you left the lot? Okay? I

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Speaker 3: left the lot. Jeff Perry was moving furniture. He was, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: As he was just moving a microwave into his wife's office.

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Speaker 2: He was just being a good husband.

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Speaker 3: Being a good husband. Yeah, And I was like boom.

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Speaker 1: I remember Shanna telling me that she uh, we were

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Speaker 1: that didn't audition, and that she called Jeff Jeffrey Dean

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Speaker 3: Yes, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Come on, dude.

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Speaker 2: Shawn had a policy on our show that she called

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Speaker 4: Yes, I've watched every episode except when I died.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys remember this?

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Speaker 4: Forget episodes when we had to have a meeting, a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way it came on. So you did.

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Speaker 3: Who was who directed that episode? What's her name? Alison

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Speaker 4: Of us had big monologues in that episode except me.

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Speaker 4: I just kept saying, you were tripping, and it was

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Speaker 1: Like you're a talker, like talk talk to, talk talk to,

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Speaker 1: You're a door, yeah, you're you're say man, You're you're

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Speaker 4: So I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Gonna sit here with you and wait for as long

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Speaker 2: I was up the first at six am. That's the

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Speaker 4: I will say this and I'll put this on everything

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Speaker 3: It was time.

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Speaker 4: We knew, I don't care what was going on in

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Speaker 1: And then when when the pieces start getting some pieces

444
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Speaker 1: get removed and shifted around Bellamie, Oh my god, so great.

445
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: Then then it starts to become something else, not necessarily bad,

446
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: but it just becomes something different. But there's nothing like

447
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: those first like three seasons.

448
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 2: We want back, like we haven't gotten there yet. But

449
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: there's something about like the Gladiators in O p A.

450
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: It's us and yeah and carry that just feels so good.

451
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 2: Stuff like it's just the most fun and the soundtrack

452
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: and the music and the moves and your songs and

453
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: you're so weird and I'm such a dork and Abby

454
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: so tough, like it was just like.

455
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: Maybe it was really the off camera, so like, if

456
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: we're gonna be honest, like we spent most most more

457
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 4: time together then we spent with our family.

458
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: Together hours on hours weekly, millions of hours.

459
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Speaker 4: I mean sometimes we did remember Friturdays.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Saturdays, Yeah, Saturdays, Oh my god, I love you.

461
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, how a rapping Saturday morning, five in the mornings.

462
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: It was really crazy crazy and then we'd be back

463
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: five am Monday morning. It was barely any time. So

464
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Speaker 2: you got questions okay, yeah, okakay, favorite, uh fave costume.

465
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: Did you take a suit or seven?

466
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 4: Oh, it's the one I took a picture with geramo in.

467
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 4: It's my favorite suit. It's a three piece suit. It's gray,

468
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 4: and I had a vest to vest suit and I

469
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 4: had a clock like she gave me a time. Do

470
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 4: you remember, Oh yeah, yeah that was I was.

471
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Speaker 3: On television. But check it out.

472
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: You also wore suspenders really well, like you wore suspended you.

473
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Speaker 1: You had an episode where you wore pink suspenders and

474
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: you looked so freaking you were.

475
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 5: I remember there being like I was, and.

476
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 4: Then the pants got tighter. It was the same thing.

477
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 4: It was like but the same. It was like she

478
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: had to start letting things out, like letting it. But

479
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: I was squeezing Magee and I was squeezing and some

480
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Speaker 4: of those squeeze it.

481
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 3: In the season three high, Moode was right, I.

482
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Speaker 2: Think favorite actor to work with I can't.

483
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Speaker 3: I can't.

484
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: I have a favorite actor to work with is my

485
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 4: entire Scandal cast. And I put that on everything because

486
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 4: we played together the right way. That's it felt like

487
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 4: Jeffrey writes, my favorite actor, Wow, I would you know?

488
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: He pushed me. I can name a bunch of actors

489
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 4: but the way we worked, we got we were a

490
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: team and it was just I don't know, it was

491
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 4: just it's just.

492
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Speaker 3: And you're right, it felt like it felt like one

493
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: one like.

494
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: One of those scenes we had to nail where each

495
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: person would get a line or a paragraph and I

496
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 2: remember being like, oh my god, we're gonna get We're

497
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: gonna get it where no one would flub because it

498
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: would be like, you're not.

499
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Speaker 3: Allowed.

500
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 4: So what I what what Shonda was writing and all

501
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 4: the writers, kudos to them, all the writers on Scandal.

502
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 4: They were writing a symphony. And so when you're writing

503
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: a symphony, everybody has to do their part to execute

504
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 4: the scene. Hell yeah, And as we were doing that,

505
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 4: there was music in the language, right, and all we

506
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 4: had to do was live in that.

507
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: Way, the orchestra each other.

508
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, hold on, before we get into some deeper stuff.

509
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: We normally do gear moot six Degrees of Horror.

510
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: Which upset Yeah, well and really quickly.

511
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: The movie Quarantine that you did with Jennifer Carpenter is

512
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: one of the greatest freaking horror movies the dollar round.

513
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 4: To them.

514
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: What was that like working on that film?

515
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: I was freak the funk out.

516
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry the time. I don't. I don't watch horror

517
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: because I don't.

518
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: Like to in my spirit, right, I'm with you, not

519
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: a horror guy. Friends that are like yeah, yeah, yeah,

520
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 4: you're you know daging, you're VASKI, oh my guys like

521
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 4: they love horror.

522
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: I was. I was scared.

523
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, we're in this studio,

524
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: uh stage we on Sony Lot were on stage twelve

525
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: and they built this apartment and like, there's real zombies.

526
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: Like I was just like, I gotta because you got

527
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 3: to tell the truth. Yeah, tell the truth that it's

528
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: an actor. But I was I didn't have to act.

529
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 3: I was scared. They scared into a zombie.

530
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: Like I got my net and I turned into a zombie.

531
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: And then I was like, how do you play a zombie?

532
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: I was really committed.

533
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: You were so good.

534
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: He was so good.

535
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: But also a moment yeah, but also in that movie,

536
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: you worked with Jennifer Carpenter, who is in the Extorcism

537
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: of which.

538
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 4: I saw first.

539
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: Yo, you saw that and you don't like movies. That

540
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 3: is the most horrifying.

541
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 4: When I got the movie, when I got them, we

542
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 4: Clint told me Clint Clint Culpepper Joe k.

543
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

544
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: So wait, so Clint says, go see I said.

545
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 3: The Exorcism of Emily.

546
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 4: When he gave me the movie, he said, go see

547
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: this movie, this is the Girl. And I said all right,

548
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: and I went to right there on our Victory and

549
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 4: Laura Canyon this movie theater by myself and I saw

550
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 4: the movie and I was crazy.

551
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: I can never watch it again. And I love horror movies.

552
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: She's and it's based on a true story of a

553
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: girl that gets possessed, Yeah, by by your demon?

554
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: You're not watching it? Yeah, well check out this segue.

555
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 3: This this slick segue. Going from.

556
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: Going from six degrees six degrees of Horror, I'm gonna

557
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: go to six degrees of Britney Spears.

558
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: Because because we both had our run ins with.

559
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Speaker 2: Me Spears so very lovely.

560
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: You have to, you know, and.

561
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: List your first got both of my bees.

562
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 5: Okay, really messed up.

563
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: But Columbus choreographed the on its hotel tour, right Columbus,

564
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: I did, I did you need?

565
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 5: What in the world?

566
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: How did you book that? Like? How did that come about?

567
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: It was so weird? Okay, So, so I was on

568
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: tour with Stomp. I was on broad right, right, that's right,

569
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: Like I'm making sounds with the objects, like with your feet.

570
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: Was like, that's why the feet were jacked up, because

571
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: you were stomping for years before scandal.

572
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: So I said, I can't. I had a layoff. Do

573
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 4: you guys know what a layoff is on Broadway? If

574
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: you're on a Broadway tour, you get layoffs. So we

575
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 4: had a seven week layoff. They give you money to

576
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: sit down and chill until we pick up again on

577
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: whatever tour we're on. And this was right before September eleven.

578
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: I was in Temple, Florida, and I was high on Molly. No,

579
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 4: not Molly, Molly didn't exist. It was ecstasy, yeah. And

580
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: I saw Brittany with a PEPSI can and I was

581
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 4: with my friends and I said cast mates, and I said,

582
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 4: I'm getting up for one day. They were like, you're

583
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 4: freaking crazy. Anyway, come on for the layoff.

584
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: I got.

585
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: I get this house. I got seven thousand dollars, So

586
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: I put four thousand dollars down on this house. And

587
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: I'm living with these dancers and they're all dancers. I'm

588
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 4: just chilling, right, but they're you know, helping me pay

589
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: the rent in New York and they're going to dance

590
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: auditions and stuff, and I was like, I want to.

591
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: Do that, and of course you could do it.

592
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: I want to do that. So I started going to

593
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 4: dance auditions and Wade.

594
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Michael Jackson to music.

595
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: So here's the correlation. I was producing music with my partner,

596
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: Kevin tant Rohan, who was Wade's assistant, and so he

597
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: was like, we were making music. We're producing music where

598
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: we're writing and producing for artists that are in the game.

599
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: And he says, come to this audition and I got

600
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: cut in the first round. I didn't have with Brian Friedman.

601
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: I couldn't do that.

602
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: I was, I don't believe I didn't have this.

603
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: I don't believe Okay, okay.

604
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: Okay, And so I got cut and I was like, man, someday.

605
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: So I worked.

606
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 4: So what I started doing was it takes ten thousand

607
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: hours to be a master of air craft. So I

608
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to go to class every day.

609
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: So I started obsessing.

610
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: I quit the tour, quit my job. I quit my job.

611
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: Well, I said, I'm not coming back. September eleventh, I

612
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: was supposed to be in Boston flight United. Wow, maybe

613
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: not the same flight, but still I pivoted and I said,

614
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: I'm in the five six.

615
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: Every day.

616
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: And then a year later, a year later, I was

617
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: working with Jamie King on a Nike industrial Jamie and

618
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: the Tallawego brothers and these people.

619
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Jamie King, who produces and for Madonna has done a

620
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: bunch of tours of Madonna.

621
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: So and breaking off the plane, we do a Nike

622
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: Industry on Japan. Where were we Japan or somewhere? And

623
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 4: he and we land back in l A and X

624
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 4: and he goes, tomorrow, I needs you to meet me

625
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: in Chicago. I said, meet you in Chicago. He said,

626
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: your flight's already booked. I'm literally getting my bag from

627
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: the thing. I go to Chicago and all of the

628
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: legendary choreographers are in Chicago, and I'm like, oh, what

629
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: is happening?

630
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: I said, what's happening? I know I'm about to tell you.

631
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: I said, what's happening Jamie? And he it's Oprah. We

632
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: gotta do Oprah. It's it's Oprah. We have to do

633
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: the gap campaign. What's happening? Madonna and Missy? Oh?

634
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: Yes? Remember remember? Yes?

635
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: Of course?

636
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 4: So he goes in back in the back of the stay.

637
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: So I'm looking at Gil, I'm looking at brand Friedman.

638
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean like all.

639
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: Of the top of the game, the legendary choreographer.

640
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 4: And he goes, I need six eight counter right now.

641
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: Columbus teach it to them and we're going on stage

642
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: in fifteen minutes. I said, So, I looking at hi guys,

643
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: love you guys man, I'm a big fan and five

644
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: six seven and I created something out of out of nowhere.

645
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 4: Boom We've got on stage. We did the Oprah I

646
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 4: booty bumped with the Oprah. Awesome moment shut and and

647
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: when I landed back in La, he goes, I want

648
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 4: you to be on the Brittany tour.

649
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: What Yeah?

650
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: And I'm doing the Brittany Tour. So I got the

651
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: Brittany tour one day while we're due I'm at rehearsal

652
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: for two weeks. I'm doing rehearsals with Brittany as a dancer,

653
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: just as a dancer. And you're high and my partner

654
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: Kevin tan Rowan, we are, who's a really stope director?

655
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: Now shout out keV and he's like, Columbus, we have

656
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 4: a session tonight and what are you doing. I'm like,

657
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: I'm at Brittany reheards the dude. He's like, be here

658
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: at six o'clock. It's like, boom, get to the studio.

659
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: I'm at the studio, said, who's our session with? And

660
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: he's like, wait for it, waiting for it. The gate

661
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 4: opens and it's fucking Brittany. Brittany, it's me. He didn't

662
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 4: tell me it's Brittany.

663
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: They come.

664
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: She comes in the.

665
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: Student with Felicia, with Felicia.

666
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: Remember Felicia, Flicia Felicia.

667
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: Oh yes, who is a bunch of the documentaries, an

668
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: old family friend.

669
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Brittany and Felicia.

670
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 4: Truck big, big rob It was big, No, it's big

671
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: Mike to get truck boom and she's like.

672
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 3: Oh my lord, Columbus, what you're dying?

673
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 4: I said, what are you doing here? And she's like,

674
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 4: you're up. I was like, yeah, I'm believe.

675
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: What song did you guys do me against the music? Oh?

676
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 3: My god? So wait with Madonna? Is that the woman Donna?

677
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: Let me tell you that I'm finishing the story. So

678
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 4: Brittany goes, We're in the studio, we're working, we're doing

679
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 4: remixes all the like cool remixes for the tour, like

680
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: to make certain numbers, invent certain numbers. Oops, I did again.

681
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 4: You know, you know slave, you know we're remixing stuff.

682
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 4: And she goes, I really hate and Larry Rudolph, never

683
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 4: forget Larry Rudolph is there and he and and she goes,

684
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: I there the single they want Me to do is

685
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 4: called outrageous by R. Kelly, and she goes, I don't

686
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 4: like this single. I don't want this to come out.

687
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 4: I don't want me against the music. I said, so,

688
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 4: what's the problem with me against the music? I heard

689
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 4: the record, Me and Kevin listen to the record, and

690
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 4: I said, I'm just sitting there and I rocked for

691
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: a couple of seconds, and I said, I got an idea.

692
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: Didn't you just kiss Madonna last week on the Movie Awards.

693
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: Swear to God, I said, didn't you just kiss Madonna?

694
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: She said yeah.

695
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: I said, call Madonna right now, get her on this record.

696
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: You get Madonna, You get Madonna on this amazing, I

697
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 4: swear to God, this is how it went down. I said,

698
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 4: if you get Madonna on this record, she says, you said,

699
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: I said, call Madonna right now, right now, there's nothing. Note,

700
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: don't put off tomorrow. What you can do right now?

701
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: Call Madonna. She called Madonna. Madonna's like, I want to

702
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 4: hear it. I want to see it. So Madonna flies

703
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 4: to LA. The next day, I set up a rehearsal

704
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 4: at Culver City Studios with all the dancers to show

705
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: her the presentation.

706
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: And Madonna's sitting and did you choreograph what you showed?

707
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 4: Of course, So Madonna was like, yeah, I mean, next

708
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: thing I know. I hired Paul Hunter, the direct video

709
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: Hunter and boom At an MTV dude the video. We

710
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 4: did all this stuff and then we made the video.

711
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: And then cut to me doing the I Want to

712
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: Go video with Brittany.

713
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

714
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: I don't know how the hell I got that. That

715
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: was just chance.

716
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: The director was a fan of Weeds and Half Baked,

717
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: and so in the beginning of the video, I stand

718
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: up and she says, you know, fuck you, fuck you

719
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: You're cool from Half Babe, and I'm the guy that

720
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: when she says you're cool, she points to me, and

721
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: I stand up and give the thumbs up.

722
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: That's all I was supposed to do in the video.

723
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: And then the night so psyched. Oh yeah, but not close.

724
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: Madonna was coming to come to our set. You kid, you.

725
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have survived. He would not have.

726
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: I was working on it, so like trying to get

727
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: Madonna to just come in one day and just squeeze,

728
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: you would have died.

729
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: Died. Rae was a regular on Scam. Yes, she came

730
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: and she was like, Ellen DeGeneres is having Madonna as

731
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: a guest tomorrow. We're going to get g on it.

732
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: He's going to be the guest.

733
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: J I got showed him.

734
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: I showed her my show.

735
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I showed him my tattoo of her.

736
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: She doesn't know. And I got down on my knees

737
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: and bowed. And the look on Madonna's face was like, oh, yeah,

738
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: that's exactly where you should be.

739
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: Why isn't everyone else on their knees.

740
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: But anyway, this isn't about Madonna, it's not about Brittany,

741
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: It's about Columbus short.

742
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

743
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: But it's the best.

744
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 5: This is crazy, That's what I mean.

745
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Like you brought all of that to Harrison is how

746
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: I like the moving and the musicality of Harrison. It

747
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: is not lost on me that no one, none of

748
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: us could do that, because none of us were choreographing

749
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: for fucking Britney Spirits or asking Madonna to be on

750
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: one of her songs.

751
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, we already talked about this part.

752
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: Okay, deep questions, let's go, let's go.

753
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. Guys.

754
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start with this, but

755
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to even remember, like where when it

756
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: started to fall apart.

757
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: So I would I would whisper in Gierramo's ear because

758
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 4: you know, I was struggling, guys like I was. You know,

759
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 4: my marriage was was toxic, it was terrible, and I

760
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: was using drugs to try to battle whatever I was

761
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: going through with my marriage and all this stuff. But

762
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: I just or the one thing I knew my life

763
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 4: could be in shambles, The one thing I knew was

764
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: not let you guys down. So I'd come and to

765
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 4: Garramu and tell him stuff like man, this this heaven,

766
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 4: this is what's going on. You know, I was showing

767
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: up late work, unprofessional I was doing. I just started

768
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: to fall apart because I had my life became unmanageable

769
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 4: and and and I didn't and I wanted to protect

770
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: myself from shame and also shanda and Mary. I thank

771
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: you guys, Betsy, I thank you guys. They were trying

772
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 4: to protect me too, and I but when it came,

773
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: when it became too, when I wasn't being honest with

774
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 4: things and wasn't like, what's really going on? Are you

775
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: with your wife or you're not with your wife? We

776
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 4: told you to get out of that situation. You're not,

777
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: You're still in it. You're doing all these weird things,

778
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: blah blah blahm. And then once it was over, well,

779
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 4: I remember the call. So I was in this ten

780
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: thousand square foot house and.

781
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: I remember you getting that.

782
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 4: Yep, And I'm in this ten thousand square foot house.

783
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 4: I knew Season four, I'm about to get paid. We're

784
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 4: about to get paid, right, we were about to get paid,

785
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: and I boom trumped out here. But I had already

786
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: made my private decision to remove myself from the toxicity.

787
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: But they were the person the individual, wasn't They were like, oh,

788
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 4: he really is doing that. And then it was headline,

789
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: out of nowhere, out of nowhere, this is true, out

790
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: of nowhere. I had like Shanda calls me with Betsy,

791
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 4: Mary Paul Lee ahead of.

792
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: On the phone.

793
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: That's a tough call all the agencies. But everybody's on

794
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 4: the phone and they're like, Columbus, we need no more headlines.

795
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: I said, I swear to God there will be no

796
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 4: more headlines. I'm trying to stay out the way. So

797
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 4: I dipped Arizona and I dipped that Arizona. And two

798
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: weeks later, TMZ dropped the headline that I that I

799
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: ransacked my house or some some some headline. I don't

800
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: remember it, but it's something like that. You gotta know

801
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: what it's just. It was strategic.

802
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: So that happens, I.

803
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 4: Go into a spiral because I get the call, I know,

804
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 4: Monday morning. This happened on a Friday. I said, Monday,

805
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 4: I'm gone. I'm gone. No, I know it for sure.

806
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: So I was just praying. I was like, but they

807
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 4: called me. I was like, they said, but as they said,

808
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna we can't move forward Columbus like this,

809
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 4: and we were going in the season four. Guy, Yeah,

810
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: I was so broken hearted and I went into I

811
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: went into a dark, darn place for years and and

812
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: because not only were you guys my family, it was

813
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: my livelihood, of course, my you know my name, and

814
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: when it was not you know, I had my own issues,

815
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: but the issues that were being named in the public

816
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 4: were not my issues.

817
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: So I was just like, you know.

818
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: No, no, yes, drugs were an issue, marriage was an issue,

819
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: but there were things that came out in the press.

820
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never abused no women like that. This I

821
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: was the first meet to guy.

822
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 4: I started it before it was even me too, wasn't

823
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: even it was just me.

824
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: It was okay, so it was But the drugs and

825
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: things like that, that was like in because I remember, yeah,

826
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: like one in two.

827
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 3: You guys supported my son's football team. You guys that

828
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: money in That's right, that's right, super yeah, yeah, you

829
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

830
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, whatever, So I and I, you know, it's funny.

831
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: I didn't mention it, but I remember, you know, you're

832
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: such a stand up guy in your heart, Like I

833
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: remember you're complaining about your feet hurting so bad, and

834
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: we're wrapping at seven o'clock in the morning and you're

835
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: like rushing home to go straight to like take your

836
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: kid to school, you know what I mean. Like you

837
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: were like and then I don't know when it shifted

838
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: whatever happened in season three. I don't know what drugs keeping.

839
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 4: Thing secret from you guys. Yeah, like I Giermo was

840
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 4: my secret squirrel, Like for real, he knew about ida

841
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 4: with my wife, you know, he knew that was happening early,

842
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: the little small little della when.

843
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: We were we were trailer mates too, like where we

844
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: shared a trailer.

845
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: But yeld me just tell me the truth. I was

846
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 4: so ashamed of course life. Yeah, it was raggedy. My

847
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 4: life was raggedy. And I just want to say I

848
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 4: was making mistakes. So imagine I've for since I was

849
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: a kid. The only thing I knew was entertainment. The

850
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: only thing I knew how to do was to dance,

851
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 4: to sing, to play the mute, play drums, play keyboard, playing,

852
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: sing and act. That's all I knew how to do.

853
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to do anything when the rug

854
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: was perverbally a slip from underneath me. So I went

855
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 4: into a spiral and I kept making stupid ass mistakes.

856
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 4: I was doing it on purpose. I was making dumb,

857
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: dumb decisions. And tell my wife, thank you to my

858
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: wife who was my friend before she was my wife,

859
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: And was like, Columbus, you are better than this. You

860
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: are you can and I and she and then we

861
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: and she got pregnant and then with Denzel and I

862
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 4: named him Didnzel, And from the moment Denzel was born,

863
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: it was like, let's go, let's get it back. Things

864
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: starting to happen. Yes, yes, and I'm just it was

865
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 4: just a change in my life. And life's not perfect.

866
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: But when you of course not when you're when you're

867
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 4: walking with the proverbial scarlet letter on your back or

868
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: this this, this misnomer.

869
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: Or this dark cloud. It's hard.

870
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: It's hard, and the hardest part of it if anything

871
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 4: was missing you guys, I put that on everything I

872
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: love for us, letting you guys down. I knew you

873
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: guys couldn't talk to me. I knew Carrie couldn't talk

874
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 4: to me. I knew it was I knew what it

875
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: was that you don't have to even say that. It

876
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: was just like Columbus is boom bomb ostraciz is type thing.

877
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: But it was awful, you know, Yeah, you know how

878
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: hard it was to shoot that scene where where Harrison dies,

879
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: Like we were all like sobbing that day, everybody, even Oliver,

880
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: I remember Oliver miss Man.

881
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was one of.

882
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: The hardest watch honestly, Like, as your friend but also

883
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: as an artist, it was just like, I mean, it

884
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: was really hard to watch someone mess up who has

885
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: more talent in his finger than anybody you know. And

886
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: it was like even you on your worst day, if

887
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: you're late, or you had had at night or whatever,

888
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: it was like you, even then your acting was phenomenal,

889
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: still brought it to watch some unacceptable it's not professional,

890
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: not excepting, but I'm just saying, you're such a talented

891
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: human being and to watch you, for whatever reason, sabotage

892
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: and make the choices that I get yourself out was

893
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: hard to be like, oh my god, like please please don't, don't. Don't, don't,

894
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: don't don't. We've got such a good thing going.

895
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 4: Like linch, I don't want to get emotional because I

896
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 4: remember the day when you guys are you and Darby

897
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 4: Gus pulled up on the van when it was all

898
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 4: going down that day, I was I was having a

899
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: nervous breakdown and I just had to get through the

900
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: day right And we got through the day, and you know,

901
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: I pushed through all of that and man, I was like,

902
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do this today. I'm not gonna get

903
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: emotional today. But you guys don't even know, like I'm sorry.

904
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Katie, I'm sorry, Gammook, like I'm from the

905
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: bottom of my heart. I'm sorry man, because you guys

906
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 4: were my team and I was a team leader, and

907
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 4: I'll let you guys down and I deal with that

908
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 4: every day.

909
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: You're so good man. If anything it you know you.

910
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: I never felt like you let me down. I felt

911
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: more pissed off and upset and so sad that you

912
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: weren't going to be there anymore and you were letting

913
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: yourself down.

914
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: More than anything. I never felt like the fuck.

915
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: It was more like where's Columbus, Like he's gone, that's

916
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: not there, you know what I mean.

917
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 4: I let Carrie down.

918
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

919
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: Have you ever talked to them since?

920
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 4: No, I've talked to Carrie, but I have not been

921
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: able to say I'm sorry.

922
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

923
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: And you know, through all you know, therapy and the

924
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 4: groups and the classes and all the stuff that I've done,

925
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 4: it's about making amends and not just like I've been

926
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: able to make amends to the closest alligators to the boat,

927
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 4: but I've never been able to This is the first time.

928
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 4: If Seanda's hearing this, if Carrie's hearing this, and I'm sorry, Tony,

929
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Jeff, I'm sorry, Me, I'm sorry. You know

930
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like that, that's it I say about that.

931
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 1: Listen, every time we all speak and we get together

932
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: and you up, it's it's it's nothing but love, like

933
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: it is always likes.

934
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: Always it is always like and like it is like

935
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 2: I've never heard anybody truly like It's what Gierma was saying.

936
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: Everyone was like, we don't want to lose you, and

937
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: we felt like we had this. You know, it was

938
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: so crazy being on a Judy Smith Olivia Pope show

939
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: because I think actually, maybe you were going down way

940
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: earlier than any of us kind of knew. And we

941
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: were so good at like keeping shit under wraps almost

942
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: because you were fixers that Like I think like even

943
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: before you know, I don't know what was going on

944
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: in your personal life, but stuff was going on. I

945
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: don't know if Judy helped.

946
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: You or that.

947
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like I don't know if that

948
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: was for better or for worse.

949
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: Who you know and you know so so part of it.

950
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 2: It's a long time ago now. And again, like GiMA said,

951
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: no one ever said bad shit about you.

952
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: Say this and closing is that I didn't know the

953
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 4: impact of me being an African American male number two

954
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 4: on the call sheet. After Steven left second season, we

955
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 4: were in our bubble. We all we did was worked.

956
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: I was all work in Twitter. That's what I didn't know.

957
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: I didn't know how I was really impacting a culture

958
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 4: that's a lot of.

959
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 3: I couldn't until I was fired.

960
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 4: And then it was like this one time Dave Chappelle,

961
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: I went twitch to the laugh Factory and Dave Sapelle

962
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 4: there and I had done I got on stage because

963
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys know I do stand

964
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 4: up on the you know, I've been started in stand

965
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 4: up early. And so anyway, Dave. I went up before

966
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 4: Dave and Dave they goes Columbus short, This's crazy, this is.

967
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 7: He said, he was this, This man was on scale

968
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 7: of Harrison right. He said, how did you fuck up?

969
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 7: Right in front of everybody? And I was just like

970
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 7: he said, and he just it was such a dope.

971
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 7: He killed me, but he was killing me with.

972
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 4: Love and and and you know, from that day I

973
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 4: just was like moving through earth, like journeying through earth

974
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: with a with a with a with a cloud and

975
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 4: it's like every move I was making, I was like,

976
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: I got how am I gonna? I almost gave up

977
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 4: a few times, multiple times, gave up on life, not

978
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 4: committed sudicide. But I'm saying just like I'm gonna this is,

979
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 4: I'm done, and I don't know what else to do.

980
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: I don't I'm not And and thank you, Thanks be

981
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: to God for my wife, from from my kids, inspirations

982
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: that come from multiple sources. And I prayed for this day,

983
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 4: the day that I could look at you and say

984
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and look at you and say I'm sorry

985
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 4: you and and have this one moment to make a miss.

986
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 4: And this is a blessing right now.

987
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: So that's all I want to feel that way.

988
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm like you've been. We were like, can we get

989
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: Columbus on here, Like do you think he would be

990
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 2: open to like hanging out and talking about it? Because honestly, dude,

991
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: you're such when we watch it back like you're the show.

992
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: It's just like you're.

993
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: So we were the show.

994
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, where did you get like tell me about now,

995
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: like ten years later or however long it is. I

996
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: think it's even longer longer. I don't know how did you.

997
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: I know, thank God your wife and your kids like

998
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: set you straight and clean and things like that. But

999
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: was there, like what else helped you? Therapy? You said,

1000
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: have you done?

1001
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1002
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: I started going to twelve Steps and going to group

1003
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 4: meetings with you know, people that have struggled with all

1004
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 4: kind of things, and through that, I'm becoming, believe it

1005
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 4: or not, an avoc like an ambassador and an advocate

1006
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 4: and a leader in these spaces where I'm like, these

1007
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: people are broken, these people are struggling, and and and

1008
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 4: it's it's every week I just I get something else.

1009
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 4: And uh so I've been doing that for a while

1010
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 4: and it's changed my life in terms of interpersonal relationships

1011
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 4: and even me and my wife couples therapy, like I

1012
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: want our marriage to thrive, you know what I mean?

1013
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. It's good like shop, you

1014
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 4: got to deal with you, right, you gotta do you go,

1015
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 4: so we got to deal with humans and and through

1016
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: that when my life was completely goal oriented, my goals

1017
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 4: now are peace in my home, peace with my kids,

1018
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: their productivity, education, surrounded by love, non toxicity in the home.

1019
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 4: All of these things, these are the things that those

1020
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 4: are the things that are important to me and to

1021
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 4: in my life. And so that's and and let me

1022
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 4: just say this, even though those are the things that important,

1023
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 4: don't think that I don't miss being at the highest

1024
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: level of the game. Of course, because this is my craft.

1025
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: I miss it.

1026
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: So tell me about that. Have you been acting lately?

1027
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: Like what's going on?

1028
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 4: And now?

1029
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: Well, I was relegated to the two V movies and BT.

1030
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: Plus minus b A T minus and all of those things.

1031
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: So I was doing those, was keeping food in my mouth.

1032
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 3: Listen, I can name a couple of things. I am

1033
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: so proud of about thing. So I started a tech

1034
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 3: company and play a lot of golf.

1035
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: And I started athlete.

1036
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah I'm an athlete, and I was right, I know, so,

1037
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 4: so play a lot of golf. So I started a

1038
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 4: tech company called ORCA United Society ORCA United. We're dealing

1039
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 4: in tech, but we're Web three, Web four, we're dealing

1040
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 4: with sports entertainment. We are in multi media, the new

1041
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: Web three multimedia UH entertainment company. So with that has

1042
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 4: come multiple opportunities as we're leading the way. In understand,

1043
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 4: I was on, I was, I was, I was dealing

1044
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 4: with AI before SAD was dealing well right, And that's

1045
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 4: what I was doing all the low. Did you get

1046
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 4: into this magical mystery? And but I'm blessed and so

1047
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 4: yeah and so. But but what the core is I

1048
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 4: want to make product. I want to continue to make

1049
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 4: good television, continue to make good film, continue to put

1050
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 4: athletes in positions to be successful on the golf course,

1051
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: on the football field, on the basketball court, any in

1052
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 4: any avenue. And and that is kind of the conglomorate

1053
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 4: that's been kind of brought to me. But one of

1054
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 4: the things that was hyper important. And I'll bring it

1055
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 4: back to one. Until home got right, Nothing that I

1056
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 4: do it was going to be right. And this is

1057
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: us getting it right. Yeah, I love you, Love you

1058
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 4: so much.

1059
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: To Columbus.

1060
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 4: I am content and happy where I am in life. Obviously,

1061
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 4: you know, I believe that great things are ahead for

1062
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 4: all of us. And you know I'm always going to

1063
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 4: have for you. I'm always going to have your back.

1064
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 4: I'm going to always tell you over a cliff and

1065
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 4: that's period, point blank. I live by that.

1066
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 2: Hell, you look at this guy, yo.

1067
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: But here here's a fun question. Did you ever think

1068
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: about how you would have liked Harrison, how you would

1069
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: have liked his story to end on Scandal because I

1070
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: mean the way it ended.

1071
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 4: Was you know, it was tragic. It was tragic, and

1072
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 4: it was thought that post and the guy I watched

1073
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: like three or four episodes, you know a yeah, like

1074
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 4: I'm talking about season four. Season four was tough even

1075
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 4: and Cornelius, you did a wonderful job. Cornelius, you did

1076
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: a wonderful job. You know that was you were you were,

1077
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 4: you were stellar, coming in solid as a rock. But

1078
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 4: it was it was tough for me to see that

1079
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: I wasn't on my team. Can you imagine a football player.

1080
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: Imagine Travis Kelce not being able to be on the

1081
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 4: field with Patrick Mahomes and you know, the rest of

1082
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: his team playing them for the Super Bowl. That's what

1083
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 4: I felt like. I felt like an injured player on

1084
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 4: the field and it was so I couldn't watch. But

1085
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 4: when I did watch, was you guys holding it up

1086
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 4: and holding up the standard and doing it the right way,

1087
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 4: and and I was like, they're good, you know what

1088
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: I mean?

1089
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: Hell yah?

1090
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: So wait, so did you say how you would have

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Speaker 1: liked Harrison's story to end.

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Speaker 4: I would have liked Harrison to eventually have been with Katie,

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Speaker 4: how we started.

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Speaker 3: Like in like in a relationship.

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Speaker 4: It was it was Nonslieve came in, but but you know,

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Speaker 4: and I was mad by the way, how you get

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Speaker 4: a sex scene before me?

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Speaker 3: What the hell was listen? I was shocked to Darby

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Speaker 3: get a second. Y'all, y'all was having sex. Y'all was

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Speaker 3: having sex. I was having no sex. I don't have sex.

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Speaker 2: I remember like three when things were starting to.

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Speaker 3: Go, they waited.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have no Yeah, taking off, like taking shirt off,

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Speaker 1: like taking shout.

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Speaker 4: My wasn't ready.

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Speaker 2: I still used to say, though, I remember like you

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00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: were upset right like, and you were upset that they

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Speaker 2: were and giving you a ton.

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Speaker 3: Of storyline no storyline, And I'm sending her emails.

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Speaker 2: Like, but that's because season three four, wasn't she saying?

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00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: Am I making this up? I don't know my memory.

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Speaker 3: I was faulty as a human.

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was saying, prove that you can do it, yes,

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Speaker 2: and I'll give it to you.

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00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: Yes. That was it. That was it.

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Speaker 2: I remember you were pissed so you would go to

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00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: table reads and it wouldn't be like a real Harrison

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Speaker 2: Juicy story.

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Speaker 4: You were just late three times ready to do it.

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Speaker 4: You were late three times last week, and how am

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Speaker 4: I going to give you a storyline? You were late

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00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 4: last month? Darby's complaining. This person's complaining. This is you know,

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00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 4: you're not showing, You're not showing up and doing trust

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00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 4: you with more, and you're not doing the job right.

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Speaker 4: And even though the ratings were right, numbers are right

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Speaker 4: for Life, but they were Harrison Ryan, but the Life

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00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 4: was Harrison wrong wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, since then, as a producer, as

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00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 4: I'm producing projects just like you do, just like you

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01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: guys do, Like I never realized the responsibility of like

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: you know, time is money. This is this Like I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 4: when people showing up late to my set, I'm like, gosh,

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01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 4: what are you doing this? And I'm like, I have

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01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 4: to stall myself out with certain actors, young actors that

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01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: I'm like being hard on them. But I was doing

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Speaker 4: the same stupid ship and so I'm like, man, now

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Speaker 4: I look back, if I could have did it again,

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01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 4: oh man, I would have did it different. But everything

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Speaker 4: that I went through, everything that I did, all the mistakes,

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01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: has led me to the man that I am. To him,

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Speaker 4: I'm proud of the man I am.

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Speaker 3: No regrets man, no regrets.

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01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: What are your acting roles right now? Like where do

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01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: you where would you love to I.

1146
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 4: Don't have dream acting roles. I played Martin Luther King recently.

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01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 4: That was one of the dreams. My dream is to

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01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 4: be able to put other actors and tell good stories,

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01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 4: not black stories, not like you believe it or not.

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01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 4: When I'm the director and the studio, when I'm Lou Wasserman,

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Speaker 4: the movie I want to make, I want to make

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01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: The Diary and Frank you know, those are the movies

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Speaker 4: I want to make. I love that story.

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Speaker 3: Definitely.

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01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 4: You know there's a story of there's a story of

1156
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 4: Japanese soldiers in World War Two that nobody talks about,

1157
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 4: the nis A soldiers. Those are stories I want to tell.

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01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 4: It's not about you to direct, direct, produce and act.

1159
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 4: But really, if I know that, if I can I

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 4: have the infrastructure to put actors in positions to make

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 4: successful stories and tell truthless stories, then I'm doing the

1162
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 4: right drop period, point blank album. I got an album.

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01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 4: I'm not doing an album to win Grammys necessarily or

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: to sell go platinum. I'm forty one years old. I

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01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 4: just want to make for I have to finish the

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01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 4: the assignment. And you know my album's done, it's coming out.

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01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 4: You're singing, Yeah, yeah, my album.

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01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: Can you tell us what it's called and where we

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01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: can find the headlines? When does the drop?

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Speaker 4: We're gonna drop it in the spring. Yeah, it's coming out.

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: It's coming in hot Okay. In closing, yes, is there

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01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: anything that you feel like you have not said or

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01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: want to say or anything? I don't feel like that,

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01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: but I just want you to leave feeling.

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01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 4: The only thing I want to leave saying is I

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01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 4: am sorry and over a cliff. Hell.

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01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it always man. Thank you for doing this.

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01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: Yep, appreciate you doing it.

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01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: We're happy.

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01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 4: Love you guys.

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01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 8: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,360
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