1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, and for this week's select, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: I've chosen our episode from September of twenty sixteen, on 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: the Strata Various Violin. It's where we get to the 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: bottom of whether strata various violins really are that much 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: better than others, or whether everyone in the music world 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: is just really into brand names. I think you'll be 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised. And I mentioned the movie The Red Violin 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: that like, this episode is worth checking out too, so 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: enjoy them both. 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: Charles W Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry Roland. Yeah, Jerry said. 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: Right before she pressed record, I'm sleepy three two to one. 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, I didn't hear you didn't even notice that, 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: did you. I was just remember or practicing what I 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: was going to say. 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, we'll go ahead. 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: I just did. Oh it was successful. 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: You're practicing. Hey, welcome to the podcast. Should we talk fiddles? 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, Chuck fiddle d D let's do. 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: I bought one a few years ago. By the way, 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: it took one lesson. 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: And you became an expert. 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: Yep, No, that's just me, man, That's how things go 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: with me. I have a lot of things that I've 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 2: been like, I'm going to do this. 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Got a lot of balls in the air. 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, specifically musically. I bought a steel guitar and didn't 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: learn to play that and sold it. I bought a 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: keyboard and was going to learn to play piano, didn't 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: do that, Okay, bought the violin. I'm keeping a violin. 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: Though, So you're stimulating the economy. 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. And I usually keep just like sell 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: that and use that money to buy the next thing. 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: I don't play. Yeah, but I don't know, like I 36 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: know how to play guitar. So I'm kind of realizing 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: at my age, like maybe that's all it's going to be. 38 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: You're a guitar man. And like Bread said, yeah. 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: But used I used to want to be like man 40 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: by the time I die. I want to be able 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: to play all the stringed instruments. Yeah, that was my goal, 42 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: and I've learned one. 43 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean that's more than some people. I don't I 44 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: don't know how to play any stringed instruments. 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, but you don't care too it sounds like no. 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean I well, so you consider the piano a 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: stringed instrument. It's got strings, so yeah, is it percussion 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: or is it string or is it both? 49 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: Well, a little hammer hits the string percussion interesting, where 50 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: as a harpsichord is plucked. 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, talking piano, Yeah, I wish I could play the piano. 52 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I'd like to learn that one day. 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: Right. My brother took lessons as a kid and my sister, 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: but I didn't. Oh yeah, Scott can still play a 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: little bit today of. 56 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: Course, Hey Scott, super bro. 57 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: Uh So the fiddle a little history here before we 58 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: get into the man the fiddle or violin. There's no difference, 59 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: by the way, is that right? Yep? 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: It's one pronounced one way and the others pronounced it 61 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: the other way. 62 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little and I thought there was a 63 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: difference when I bought mine. I was like, well, what's 64 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: the difference, And it's just in how you play it. 65 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: They were like, hillbillies play fiddles, yeah, other people play 66 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: violins exactly. 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: So the fiddle at first was not a well regarded instrument. 68 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: It was thought of as a sort of a cheap 69 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: tavern instrument, you know, like you'd get drunk and hop 70 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: upon the table at the tavern, really and beat out 71 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: a little Irish jig. Really yeah, and it didn't have 72 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: a good reputation. Wait when, well, I mean this is 73 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: the sixteenth century. 74 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So then initially yeah, okay, yeah, I'm with you. 75 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Then I'm with you, okay, hanging on. 76 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: And even in parts of Italy, at first the church 77 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: ordered the destruction of violins. They were so like look 78 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: down upon. And then a lady named Catherine de Medici 79 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: got on board and she was like, this thing is wonderful. Sure, 80 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna order thirty eight of them for my court 81 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: from the guy named Nicholas Amati, who was the grandson 82 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: of the great violin maker Andrea Amadi. Actually she probably 83 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: bought them from Andrea if it was the fifteen hundred, right, 84 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: and yeah it was fifteen sixty four, and that was it. 85 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: Things started to change, and that's literally what kind of 86 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: led the violin down a path of respectability. 87 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Once you introduce it into court, sure people tend 88 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: to follow suit. Yeah. Yeah. So the Amades lived in 89 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: a place called Cromona, Italy, right, and Crimona because the 90 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: Amadis lived there, who were basically the de factor inventors 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: of the violin, cello, and viola as we recognize them today. 92 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: Because that's where they were from. Kromona became the center 93 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: of violin production. Yeah, stringed instrument production, plain and simple. Yeah, 94 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: which is pretty neat, like the idea that that's where 95 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: violence came from and that they're that recent in origin. Yeah, 96 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: And of course that goes further back than that, like 97 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: loots were obviously around long before the violin. Sure, but again, 98 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: if you look at a violin today and say, oh, 99 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: it's a violin, you can thank the Amadis of Cremona 100 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: for making that recognizable to you. 101 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. And here's another cool little fact. The the you know, 102 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: the fancy beautiful shape of a violin is not for esthetics. 103 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: It is all about the sound that it makes. 104 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: The violin doesn't give a damn weather you think it 105 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: looks good. 106 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: Well, it turned out to look beautiful. But all those 107 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: curves allow for equal resonance of all the notes, which 108 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: if it was more basically shaped, Yeah, certain notes would 109 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: be sound better than others. 110 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: Huh. 111 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: So that allowed the entire fingerboard to sound wonderful. 112 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: Well. Plus, also, if you look at a violin face on. Sure, 113 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: if you go down the sides in the middle, it's 114 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: cut in. Yeah, those are called seabouts. Those actually have 115 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: a practical purpose, I'm sure, in addition to helping produce sound, 116 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: but it allows the bow to play the strings on 117 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: either side without hitting the body of the violin. Yeah, 118 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: pretty clever. 119 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: It's really hard to play. I can't stress that enough. 120 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: It's like I thought, this is not so different than 121 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: a guitar, Like I'm just holding it under my neck 122 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: and using a bow instead of fingers. 123 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: That's got to be a pretty big difference. 124 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 2: It's a huge difference. 125 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: Yes, fingers, bows totally different. You're born with one the other. 126 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: You have to like buy well. 127 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: It's a combination of pressure on a string, angle of 128 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: the bow on the. 129 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: String, pressure from your parents. 130 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: Placement of the bow on like as far as how 131 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: far down it is, up and down the violin speed. 132 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 2: It's like there's like ten different things that go into 133 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: making a sound on a violin that you have to 134 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: do successfully all at once. It's really really hard. Yeah, 135 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: Like I was intimidated and went in the closet. You go, 136 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: maybe my daughter will play one day and then we'll 137 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: be waiting for her. Nice so we'll see. But should 138 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: we go over the parts? I know you mentioned the seabout. 139 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Sure, seabout's my favorite. So you take it from there. 140 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: Well, if you look at a violin, you got the 141 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: very above those little tuning pegs which are contained in 142 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: the peg box. You've got the scroll, which is that 143 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: kind of a curvy, lovely fancy piece at the top. 144 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: Then you have the neck and the fingerboard. The neck 145 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: goes from basically down to the body of the violin, 146 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: but the fingerboard continues on through it. The upper about, 147 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: the lower about, and then that seabout you mentioned, which 148 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: is also called the waist. Then you have your two 149 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: f holes cut on either side. 150 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: Ye, the fancy holes, Yeah, they look like f's. 151 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: Then you have your bridge, which is the very thin 152 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: piece of wood that keeps the strings you know, off 153 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: of the violin body itself and taut. Then you have 154 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: your tail piece at the bottom where the strings end, 155 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: and then the all important chin rest. And that's a violin. 156 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Bam, go make one. Now I'm leaving. So again, there 157 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: was the amadis that came up with the violin you 158 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: just described, that's right, And one of the amadis the 159 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: grandson of Andrea Amadi, who I think is credited with 160 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: inventing the violin basically. But his grandson, Nicola taught a 161 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: young man by the name of Antonio and Antonio Strataviri. 162 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: Ooh, that name sounds familiar. 163 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Antonio STRATAVII was born in Cremona. They're not sure 164 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: when they think, probably about sixteen forty four. 165 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: His life is a bit of a mystery, his young 166 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: life at least, right, not a lot of great records 167 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: on it. 168 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: You know what, This just jogged my memory. We never 169 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: explained why Alexander Hamilton would shave two years off of 170 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: his age, even though we specifically said we were going to. 171 00:08:59,400 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: Well that's all. 172 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: Should we follow up now? 173 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: Probably not, okay, I think people would get mad. 174 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to know, right in and we'll 175 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: tell you, or maybe we'll post it on such means. 176 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: I think that's better. Yeah, but who cares. We're talking 177 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Strataveri now. 178 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've moved on, all right. 179 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: So Strativery there's not very good records about his youth, 180 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: I think, as you said, but he pops up in 181 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: sixteen sixty six at the very latest. 182 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: That's right. 183 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: A violin pops up in sixteen sixty six. I should 184 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: say it has an inscription on it and a label actually, 185 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: and if you translated to English, it says made by 186 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: Antonio Stradiveri of cremona pupil of Nicoro Amadi in sixteen 187 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: sixty six, well done the year of Satan. 188 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: And that means he was either a pupil, which it 189 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: clearly says, sure, or a bit of a bit of 190 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: a stretch of the truth and a bit of a 191 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: ruse in a career move. 192 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: Really. 193 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some people that say, and that's why I 194 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: was wondering it says people believe some people believe he 195 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: was a pupil. 196 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't get with the well it says he was. 197 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: A pupil and the inscription right. But the other thought 198 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: is that maybe it was a bit of a career 199 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: move to say I was taught by the grade Amadi. 200 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: Right, who's dead now and can't say otherwise? 201 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: Maybe, but uh, who knows. I bet he was probably 202 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: a pupil. 203 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: Actually he wasn't dead, so that would have been pretty 204 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: gut seacher to have done that, because Amadi didn't die 205 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: for many years, many more years after sixteen sixty six. 206 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: So I think the common consensus is that he was 207 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: a pupil of Amadi. 208 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: He would have said, he's stealing my business, so what up? 209 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: But with that, right, man, this thing is going to 210 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: be lousy with that, all right? 211 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: So sixteen sixty six, you are correct. He builds his 212 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 2: very first violin on his own. He continues to build 213 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: violins on his own in his attic, which was apparently 214 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: the tradition attic violin building. 215 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: Was it? 216 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: That's what it said? 217 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: Huh. 218 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: I guess that was just like where you would put 219 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: your workshop. Okay, who knows, maybe it I don't know. 220 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the movie The Red Violin? Yes, 221 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: great movie, agreed, like, stick with it. 222 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,239 Speaker 2: I think I might have seen that on your recommendation 223 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: years ago, probably if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, really good 224 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: movie though. Yeah. So he's making violins. He moves into 225 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: a home in sixteen eighty and he started to get 226 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: some recognition as a great builder and maker of violins, 227 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: a great craftsman. 228 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: He did, and he was still kind of living in 229 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: the shadow of the Amadis. But when Nikola Amadi died 230 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: in sixteen eighty four, by this time everyone said, this 231 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: guy is Kremona's best maker. Of violins. Yeah, which since 232 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: Kromona was the world capital of violin making. They were 233 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: made elsewhere, but Kromona was like the place where the best. 234 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: Were made, the krem of the Cromona. 235 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: Right. That made him the world's best violin maker. And 236 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: he hadn't even entered his golden period yet. 237 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's making more than violins. He's making cellos 238 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: and guitars and mandolins and harps pretty much anything with. 239 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: Strings except harpsichords. 240 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,359 Speaker 2: Who knows, he might have made a harpsichord. 241 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: I'll bet that'd be worth a lot probably. 242 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: So all right, should we take a break here, Yes, 243 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: all right, we'll get into more craftsmanship right after this. 244 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: All right, So Strativari is following in Amadi's Amadi his footsteps, 245 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: but he's also like, you know what I'm gonna. I'm 246 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: gonna start tweaking this thing, Yeah, and craft my own 247 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: brand of violin. And he does so. He said, I'm 248 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: going to use some new materials, maybe some new finishes. 249 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna make that seabout a little straighter 250 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: then you're used to. 251 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, then f's a little straighter the f holes 252 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: is it straighter? Was that the deal, I think so. 253 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: And then we altered the f hole some and uh 254 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: something with a scroll too, Is that right? 255 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: He made it more amazing. 256 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: And he made the the scroll larger scroll, the f 257 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: holes not only straighter but longer, larger scroll, and a 258 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: and a straighter and stronger seabout that was like mechanically 259 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: that those were the biggest differences. 260 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: Right, But he also crucially came up with his own 261 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: formula for a varnish. It's a very easily recognized, deep, 262 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: deep red brown varnish. That's right, that his violins have. 263 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: It's very handsome. But a lot of people, as we'll 264 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: see later, believe that it's possibly the varnish that made 265 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: Strata various violins so great because when he made these changes, 266 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: not only was he making these changes to the shape 267 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: and appearance of the violin, he was also like a 268 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: master wooden layer. Like. The craftsmanship that his violins had 269 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: were just unparalleled. There were flawless, flawless works of art 270 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: as musical instruments, So in addition to just being a 271 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: flawless work of art, they also sounded better than anything 272 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: anything that could possibly compare be compared to it. And 273 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: what's really exceptional about strata varius is it's not just 274 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: one of those things where like, oh the name is 275 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: actually what is really driving it. A stratavarius violin that's 276 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: three hundred years old today is probably better than any 277 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: violin that's been produced in the last three hundred years, 278 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: including a brand new one, only now getting to the 279 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: point where they can they've discovered techniques where they can 280 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: start to replicate the sound of a strata varius. That's 281 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: how good this guy's violins were. That that it's not 282 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: a joke, it's not hyperbole of how great the strata 283 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: various violins were. They are still the ones that this 284 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: guy made by hand, are still the best violins in 285 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: the world. 286 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most really. 287 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: Saying something for sure, considering how much progress we've made 288 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,479 Speaker 1: in the last three hundred years and just about. 289 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: Everything, and and these are you know, for the the 290 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: finest tuned ears in the world. Like clearly there are flawless, 291 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: amazing instruments and violins being produced since then. But for 292 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: the true like aficionado, they can spot the difference. Apparently, 293 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like you and I can't. 294 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: No, But people whose job it is to identify and 295 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: praise strata various violins. Say that comparing it to a 296 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: non stratavarius, like a knockoff or something, is like comparing 297 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: a Ferrari to a school bus. Yeah, well, it's like 298 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: that obvious. 299 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: For people like saying things like that. 300 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: It's a great quote. 301 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: We're just a couple of schmumps. What do we know? 302 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: So it just went. 303 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: It might be a new gag. So he and his 304 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: first wife had six kids. He was good at having kids. 305 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: He and his second wife, His wife sadly died in 306 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: sixteen ninety eight. He got remarried and had five more 307 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: kids with wife number two. He was great at making 308 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: violins and making children. Yes, crafting children. He's great at it, 309 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: crafting little babies. 310 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, they called them the mice tro in the bedroom, 311 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 312 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: And I think a couple of his sons even went 313 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: on to follow in his footsteps. 314 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: Is that right from his first marriage? 315 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: Right? They were at second lot they. 316 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Were schmumps, though they couldn't hold a candle to their 317 00:16:58,760 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: father's work. 318 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: So let's talk about the golden period from seventeen hundred 319 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: to seventeen twenty to twenty five, depending on who you 320 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: had talked to, This was the Golden Period where these violins, 321 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he had really honed his design at this point, 322 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: and the materials that he used and everything kind of 323 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: all coalesced into making the best violins in the history 324 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: of the world. 325 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: Right, it was like Lebron's tenure at the Heat. 326 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: Oh, well, we'll see his career is not over yet. Yeah, wow, 327 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: you're calling it now, huh. 328 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: I mean he he made a case for a resurgence 329 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: this past season, but we'll see if he can repeat it. Okay, 330 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: he was playing on five hundred cylinders with the Heat. 331 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: It was just perfect because he didn't have to be 332 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: the team leader. He could be one of like the leaders. 333 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: That team had several leaders, and he could be one 334 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: of them. It wasn't like the whole team just pushed 335 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: upward towards Lebron. 336 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: See, a lot of people have the opposite view that 337 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: that was. You know, anyone can get on a team 338 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: of superstars and win championships, but no, not necessarily to 339 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: be the one leader is a bigger accomplishment. 340 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm very curious to know how, say, like the Golden 341 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: State Warriors are going to be next season with Durant 342 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson on there. Thompson knows 343 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: so much. But like Steph Curry and Kevin Durant, they're 344 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: like two of the greatest players that have ever lived, 345 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: ever lived, not just their playing right now, how are 346 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: they going to gel the idea that Dwayne Wade and 347 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: Chris Bosh and Lebron James were all able to keep 348 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: their egos in check and come together to work together 349 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: and lead a team together. I think that's harder than 350 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: this just being like, forget it, I'll do it myself, 351 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: you think, yes. 352 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: All right, So Stratavari is making his mark on the world, 353 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: getting his reputation, and he's making a lot of money. 354 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: He wasn't one of these. It's like after he died 355 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: they later realized how great he was. He was a 356 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: rich man. Yeah, making and selling these violins. 357 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently there was a phrase richest stretta vari Yeah, 358 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: like richer than an astronaut is what we would say today. 359 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. He was one of the more famous guys in 360 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: Italy at the time, for sure. 361 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and rightfully so. 362 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: His crowning achievement supposedly is in seventeen sixteen when he 363 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: built the Messiah And this is the only violin that 364 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: he never sold that he kept in his workshop till 365 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: the day died. 366 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: It was his head stash violin. 367 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: And this violin has rarely been played. Apparently. One of 368 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: the sort of things unspoken rules when this thing's been 369 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: sold and passed down is that don't even play it. 370 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: This one should remain pristine. 371 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically as close to a mint condition strata 372 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: various as you can find in the world. Oh it's 373 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: not close, it's meant yeah, but I mean a couple 374 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: of people have played it. Oh really, Yeah, it's not 375 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: been unplayed. 376 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of bad eggs in there, a couple 377 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: of super lucky violin plays that screw your unwritten rules. 378 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is before the Ashmullyan got their hands 379 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: on it. 380 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So post seventeen twenty, post golden period, he still 381 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: produced violins and things, but apparently his eyesight was going, 382 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: his hands were not as steady, and they weren't quite 383 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: what they were during the golden period. I'm sure they 384 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: were still wonderful violence. 385 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's still churning out the good stuff, but 386 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: nothing like that golden period. 387 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: And he worked into his nineties, so he was building 388 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: violins for you know, seventy years. 389 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: He worked up to his death. As far as I understand, 390 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: I think so so yeah. But that golden period stuff 391 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: that was there was the Messiah from seventeen sixteen, the 392 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: Allard from seventeen fifteen, the Bets from seventeen oh four. 393 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: Those are just a few of the ones that he 394 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: made during this period that are still around today. He 395 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: made I saw a thousand, also saw fifteen hundred stringed 396 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: instruments during his career, amazing about six hundred and fifty 397 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: survived today. And there they tend to have names, especially 398 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: the ones from his golden period. As you just heard, 399 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: they have names, and they're usually the name of the 400 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: most famous UH player who owned it. 401 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 2: They weren't like a skippy and old roy right, Barnabas 402 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 2: Barnabas the violin right. 403 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: So there's a there's a superstition among violinists that the 404 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: more you play a violin, the more a particular person 405 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: plays violin, the more that violin takes on the character 406 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: of that player, right, so much so that a violinist 407 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: or even a cellist or a violist can come along 408 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: afterward and play that person's violin. Yeah, and it will 409 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: say it will sound much more like the person who's 410 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: violin it is than the person playing it. 411 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 2: Wow. 412 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: And there's there's a further superstition that the more you 413 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: play a violin, the better it sounds. 414 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: Well, that's not a superstition, that's fact, right, any instrument. 415 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: So there is a study from I think nineteen ninety 416 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: six that I came across that found that the more 417 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: violin wood is vibrated, the more the dampening coefficient is lowered. 418 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: The lower the damping coefficient, the longer a note resonates. 419 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: The longer a note resonates, the richer the sound. And 420 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: so just playing it right, because you're vibrating the wood 421 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: when you're playing a violin, the more you do that, 422 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: the more frequently you do that, the better the violin's 423 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: actually going to sound. So astoundingly, the more you play 424 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: a violin, the better it sounds. 425 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's true for any instrument, is it. Yeah, it's 426 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: called breaking it in. Oh, So it's like a pair 427 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: of genes you can identify with that. 428 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: Sure, I love genes. 429 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: You know, a pair of genes five years in or 430 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: better than they are when you come off the shelf. Yeah, 431 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: it's the same thing. It's breaking it in, especially strings 432 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: with anything with the fingerboard. That fingerboard just you know, 433 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 2: wears in those frets wear down a little and it 434 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: does get a little bit attuned I think to your style. 435 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Yeah, very interesting. 436 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to do more on musical instruments here 437 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: and there. Okay, I'm putting it out there, all right, 438 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 2: all right, well let's take another quick break and we 439 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: will get into all the controversies surrounding just why these 440 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: things sound so good and all those theories. Pretty interesting stuff. 441 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: So, Chuck, I gotta say, you did a good job 442 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: putting this one together. Okay, sure, I'm interested in it. 443 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: You know we I had that stuff from the B 444 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: Side podcast for like two months back in the day. 445 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: People still call for it. 446 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: And we covered this very briefly. Oh really, yeah not. 447 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 2: We didn't do right by it. So that's why I 448 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: was like, you know what, that's a good topic. Nice, 449 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: I mean, dust that one off. Nice. So there have 450 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: been many many theories over the years, like if the 451 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: strat is so revered in legendary that people experts, scientists 452 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: are bound to want to crack that nut. Yeah, like 453 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: why yeah, like what's the deal. 454 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: And it's not. Again, this is it's objectively better than 455 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: other violins, the ones that strata vary made. 456 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: Correct some of the theories. The old theories back then 457 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 2: was that he would soak the wood in salt water. 458 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: Not true, that the wood was coated with volcanic ash, 459 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: not true. That dragon's blood was used in the varnish. 460 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: That may have been true, Okay, George R. Martin came 461 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: up with that one. 462 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: Probably so, and then i'll, you know, we'll get into 463 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: the more modern theories. There's really well, there's a couple 464 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: of leading theories. One is the wood, yeah, this ice 465 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: age wood, which we'll talk about, and the others the varnish. 466 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: Right, go, okay, Well, the Strativari was working during what's 467 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: known as Europe's Little Ice Age, which is a period 468 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: of unusually, very unusually colder temperatures, and I think they're 469 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: still trying to figure out what the heck happened. And 470 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, we need to do like 471 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: an irregular ice age podcast and we'll talk about it then. 472 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, But the. 473 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: Upshot of it was that because of the colder temperatures, 474 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: the spruce that was used by Strativari in the manufacture 475 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: of these violins grew slower but more evenly steadier, so 476 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: that the wood that was harvested from these bruce trees 477 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: was much more uniformly grained. Right, So just basically really 478 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: high end wood was produced by this little ice age. 479 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: The problem with that being the reason that Strata Vari's 480 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: violins were so great, is that that wood was also 481 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: available to violin makers elsewhere in Europe, and their violins 482 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: don't sound anything like a Strata Vary. 483 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 484 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: So the little ice age theory, while still I think 485 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: out there has I think that really kind of goes 486 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: a long way to undermining it. 487 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, like they were, people were really excited about that 488 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: at first, and I think they're like, yes, not proof. 489 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: It's a cool theory. It is cool, little ice age. 490 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: There's another dude at Texas A and M I named 491 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: Joseph Nagavary nagie Vary, what a unique name. And he said, 492 00:26:54,280 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: it's all about this varnish, this cremones. Cremones varnish. Is 493 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 2: that not right? 494 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? Cream and ease. 495 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what they say. 496 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: Start your morning right with cremin ese. 497 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: So he published an article in Scientific Journal Public Library 498 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: of science one. It's capitalized for some reason, and he says, 499 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 2: you know what's going on here. It's this varnish that 500 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: he used. Let me analyze it chemically, and what he 501 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 2: found out was it's very unique in that it has 502 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: these things in there that you would not expect to 503 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: be in a varnish, like borax and chromium. And he said, so, 504 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: what I think is going on is this stuff. He 505 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 2: added this stuff to the varnish to protect it that 506 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 2: would against damage an infestation, But what it really did 507 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 2: was actually weakened the wood and made it porous where 508 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: it should not be, and that created more tone, a 509 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: more booming, rich, powerful tone. Right. 510 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: Pushback his well, his theory is not entirely out of 511 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: left field, like it's it's pretty much accepted that if 512 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: you put the wrong kind of varnish on a violin, 513 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: it's going to ruin the sound. Sure, so his whole 514 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: thing was, well, why couldn't you stumble upon some varnish 515 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: that actually enhanced the sound, And that was his idea 516 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: that that's that accounted for strata areas violin sounding like that. Yeah, 517 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: I think he did get a lot of pushback. There 518 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: seems to be even if He's right. There seems to 519 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: be a desire among the people who collect and play 520 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: strata various violins is that we'll never understand what makes 521 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: it special. We don't really want to know what will 522 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: make it special. 523 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 524 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: There's a guy who was widely quoted. He's a violinist 525 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: from America's name is James EANs Ends EANs Man, Well, James. 526 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: His his whole view is that he's played a number 527 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: of strata of various violins and other stringed instruments, and 528 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: he said that there's probably a thousand things that make 529 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: them special. Yeah, and we could never possibly know what 530 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: all those thousand things are, and there's never just going 531 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: to be just this one thing that is the key 532 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: to what made strata varius violins so great. 533 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I watched a BBC documentary that was 534 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: really pretty great and they interviewed another violin maker and 535 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: he said, you know, it was the right place, right time. 536 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 2: Thing like this guy came along. Maybe they had this 537 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: good wood that was special, maybe he had this varnish 538 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: that was special. 539 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were in the hands of somebody special too. 540 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: Well. That was his point was that other people were 541 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: using some of these same things and they turned out 542 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: very different. He said he was so good at what 543 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: he did, Like that's the secret. He was just better 544 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: at doing this than other people. 545 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: Right, Like how Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade brought the 546 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: best out of Lebron James. 547 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: Well, where I think this Texas A and M Professor 548 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: aired was that he was so bold as to even 549 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: posit the idea that it may have been an accident, 550 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: and that like. 551 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: I would say bold is an appropriate term. 552 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they turned out this good on accident. He 553 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: didn't know this varnish was going to do that, or 554 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: the wood may have been even pre treated with these chemicals, 555 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: and he kind of lucked into what it ended up being. Yeah, 556 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: and not that he wasn't talented, but like that's why 557 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: they are what they are. 558 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: And people were like, whoah, blasphemy. 559 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, out heretic. So how much of these things cost 560 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 2: a lot? 561 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: The end I saw, I mean, the numbers are all 562 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: over the place. Like one thing, we'll say that the 563 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: the record was three point five four four million dollars. Yeah, 564 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: and then later on the record was broken with three 565 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: point six million dollars with the Molitor stratavaries owned famously 566 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: by Milwaukee brewer Paul Mollitor. That's where that one got 567 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: its name. 568 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I agree. And then this says, in June 569 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, the Kreutzer at a pre sale estimate of 570 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: seven and a half million to ten million, but it 571 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: failed to reach the reserve price. 572 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: Right But then later on another one sold in twenty 573 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: eleven for sixteen million, So apparently nobody's really keeping tabs here. 574 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: I looked down the internet. I couldn't find anything approaching 575 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: a comprehensive list of how much these things had gone for. 576 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: But the fact is millions of dollars, tens of millions 577 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: in some cases, from what I understand. And there are collectors, 578 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: very very wealthy collectors who are driving the price of 579 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: strata various violins and other string instruments through the roof, 580 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: where if you were smart enough to buy one for 581 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: a few hundred thousand dollars twenty thirty years ago, it's 582 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: worth easily ten twenty times that now. 583 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of a shame that these aren't 584 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: in the hands of the great players of the world, 585 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: you know. 586 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Well, they're in the hands of the great players of 587 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: the world who come from very wealthy families. 588 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, or who, like you said, bought one twenty or 589 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: thirty years ago, right, and that's their you know, their 590 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: go to But. 591 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just another fat piggy thing to buy 592 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: and own and possess. The one I have is the 593 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: most expensive one, right, Fortunately, the one that's so so 594 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: valuable that it's frequently cited as priceless is the Messiah. Yeah, 595 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: and that is owned by the Ashmoley and at Oxford University, 596 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: so that one's not up for grabs, which is cool 597 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: because all the other ones are just operating under that level. 598 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the lady in the BBC documentary as a violinist, 599 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: and she got to hold the Messiah with gloves. 600 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: And it's called that because there's a Nativity scene in 601 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: laid on the back I believe. 602 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: Oh I don't think it's the back. I think it's 603 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: in the little tail piece. Oh okay, But this thing 604 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: is gorgeous. And she was allowed to hold it with 605 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: gloves is like white cotton gloves, And the whole time, 606 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: even though I knew that wouldn't happen, I was like, 607 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: don't drop it. Yeah, you know those slippy little cotton gloves. Sure, 608 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: and it just made me nervous watching it. 609 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: Did you ever see that video of things that were 610 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: very expensive things that were accidentally oken that I made 611 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: years back? 612 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: I remember that. 613 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: It's just like it was tough to make. I bet 614 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: it's tough to watch too. 615 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. So over the years there have been many, many, 616 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: many many fakes. As as soon as he died, they 617 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 2: started pumping out forgeries, and not even forgeries, like just 618 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: mass produced violins that they would throw a label on that. 619 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: At the time, in the nineteenth century, eighteenth and nineteenth century, 620 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: the people buying the violins knew that they were like 621 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: knockoff manufactured fakes. 622 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, largely in Germany, right right, But they weren't like, yeah, 623 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 2: they weren't. 624 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: They weren't being duped. It was like this is this 625 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: is in the style of Stratavarius or whatever. Yeah, largely 626 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: in Germany and Czechoslovakia. And the thing is, though, is 627 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: over time these what are now pretty old violins because 628 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: they were again made in the eighteenth and nineteenth century. Yeah, 629 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: they I had labels on them that would say like Stratavarius, 630 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: cremonsis fachibot Onoh, and then say like sixteen seventy nine 631 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 1: or something like that. Right, So, if you find one 632 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: of these violins and your attic, yeah, and it looks 633 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: pretty old. It literally says an Italian. This violin was 634 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: made by Stratavarius in sixteen seventy nine. You could be 635 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: forgiven to think that you have just found a Strativarius 636 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: violin and all of your money problems are over. You 637 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: can go buy more meth than you'll ever be able 638 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: to do in your entire life. 639 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: It might say made in Germany too, though. 640 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: That's a big giveaway, it is. Yeah, And apparently if 641 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: you're an appraiser of this kind of thing, you were 642 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: so sick of people calling you that you can't even 643 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: hide it when you're interviewed in an article. Yeah. 644 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 2: The one guy even said that. He's like, people get 645 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: angry when you tell them it's not he said, because 646 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: they think they've got a lottery ticket and you have 647 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: to break it to him. And he said, they get 648 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 2: mad on these phone calls. 649 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: Right, and they're like, well, do you have twenty bucks 650 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: from men? 651 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 2: It's pretty funny. Uh, do you got anything else? 652 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? If you find a violin and you look it 653 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: over and it says Stratavarius and you look even further 654 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: and it doesn't say made in Germany. 655 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 2: Fake. 656 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: If it doesn't say that, I know, but it's still 657 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: probably a fake. Well you can. There's a Smithsonian article 658 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: about it that has basically step by step what you 659 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: can do and who you can submit photos to to 660 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: get it basically pre appraised, well not appraised, but just 661 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: looked at. And they can usually tell from the photos like, no, 662 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:35,959 Speaker 1: it's a fake. 663 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: Like step one, leave it out in the sun and 664 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 2: let it let it get rained on a couple of 665 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 2: times if ants are attracted to it, not as strata exactly. 666 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, but one of the appraisers makes the point like 667 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: they're about six hundred and fifty in the world and 668 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: they're all basically accounted for it. 669 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: We know where they are. 670 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even when we don't know where they are, 671 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: we know we would know the one that we don't 672 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 1: know where they are when they surface. 673 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. They stolen one. 674 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one that was famously stolen thirty something 675 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: years ago from a concert violinist and it was a 676 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: stratavarius and it was in the attic of a Milwaukee 677 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: thief's house and I guess he died and his girlfriend 678 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: took it to an appraiser who's like, uh, this is stolen. 679 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: I know who's this is crazy. 680 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: So it's a very small community. So the idea that 681 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: somebody's just gonna walk up with like a real strata 682 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: varius that had previously been unknown is it's just most 683 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 1: likely not going to happen. 684 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. The one of the other appraisers said, it's like 685 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 2: finding a new rem brand. He said, we know what 686 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: he painted, right, we know where they are. 687 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, now they got computers painting rem brands. 688 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember that. 689 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 690 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 2: I think a guy left his strata in the cab 691 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 2: a few years ago too. 692 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: Was it, Joshua Bell? Sounds like something that I would do. 693 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: He's wacky. 694 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 2: I can't remember. I believe that happened, though I remember 695 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 2: to get it back. I think so. 696 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: Only in New York, right, jeez? 697 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 2: Can you imagine? No? 698 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: Because again, like these are concert violinists who have almost 699 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: been entrusted by humanity with these things like here, this 700 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: is a very expensive violin. Yes, but we are giving 701 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 1: this to you because we think you will enrich this 702 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: and with your playing and maybe someday it'll be called 703 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: your last name Stratavarius. Play it well, don't leave it 704 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: in the back of a cab. 705 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 2: And then that guy had to get on Craigslist and 706 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 2: buy a one hundred dollars fiddle right yep to play 707 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 2: first chair at the Philharmonic. 708 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, Chuck, Yes, you got anything else? 709 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: I got nothing else. 710 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't either. Good job putting this together, man. 711 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: Thanks. 712 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,879 Speaker 1: If you want to know more about Stratavarius, you can 713 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: search the internet for it, because we don't have an 714 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: article on how stuff works. Since I said, uh, Internet, 715 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. 716 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 2: Recall this from my good buddy Becks Rebecca Bloomfield. She's 717 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 2: one of my pen pals. 718 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: Okay from the stuff you should know want see in 719 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: prison over the years. 720 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 2: She sure is. No, she's not. She's a delight though, 721 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 2: and she backed me up on my comments about women 722 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 2: in science, so I felt good about it, so I 723 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: wanted to read it. She made me feel better. I 724 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 2: hope you guys had a great time in the UK. 725 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 2: By the way, she just missed our show and I 726 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 2: think in London by a couple of days, since she 727 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 2: was very bummed out. 728 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: Does she live there or was she visiting? 729 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 2: I think visiting. She now lives somewhere else, so she said, 730 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 2: I know you did. I just listened to the delightful 731 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 2: history of steam. Anyway, I'm writing to say, bloody well done. 732 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 2: Is that a curse word? 733 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: I think like it's like. 734 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 2: Very okay, great, well done, Chuck on your comment on 735 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 2: what we could have achieved of women had been allowed 736 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 2: into the stem fields from the start. I know this 737 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 2: sort of comment could be a minefield for guy, but 738 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 2: I can assure you you made your point really well. 739 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 2: I'm normally the first to jump on non feminist comments 740 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: or man's plaining. That's what I was afraid of, So 741 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 2: she said, I'm usually the first to jump on the 742 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 2: man's plaining. And when you said it, I just said yes, yes, Chuck, 743 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 2: very loudly in my office. I even startled the dogs. 744 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: Raising children is very important, but men can do it too. 745 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 2: All humans of any gender should have a choice to 746 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: what they do with their lives that should not be 747 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 2: predetermined because of their gender. So good on you, Chuck. 748 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: Makes me happy to know that the next generation of 749 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: women are being raised by men like you. And that's 750 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 2: from Beck's Bloomfield And she is a graphic designer for 751 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 2: Little Red Robot Design Ooh, Shout Out and just a 752 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 2: nice lady. 753 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: Nice. Well, thanks a lot Be's Can I call her that? 754 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: Or should I just call her Rebecca? 755 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 2: No, you're in the club. 756 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: Okay, Well thanks a lot Bes for that email and 757 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: for shouting. We appreciate that kind of thing certainly. If 758 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: you want to get in touch of this, you can 759 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: tweet to us at sysk podcast. 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