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Please 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: players be eighteen years older to purchase blay Fine. Yes, Yes, Yes, 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I'm your host for Sean McDonald. 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: Each Money Making Conversation talk show is about entrepreneurship and entertainment. 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: I provide the consumer and business owner access to celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs, 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: and industry decision makers. I recognized that we all have 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: different definitions of success. For some, it's a sizable paycheck. 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Mine is helping people wake up and inspiring them to 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: accomplish their goals and live their very best life. These 27 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: are my passion and that's what I'm going to do 28 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: for you. I want you to stop tripping over small 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: challenges and prepare to rise above the bigger obstacles that 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: life will present to you. The Money Making Conversation interviews 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: provide relatable information to the listener about career and financial planning, entrepreneurship, motivation, leadership, 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: overcoming the art, and how to live a balanced life. 33 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Now you know, I can brag about my guests. I 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: can brag about my skill level. But my next guest, 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: it's one of my favorites. She's my favorite. Okay, my 36 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: next guest elevision writing credit because a lot of people 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: know I'm a former sitcom writer. Okay, so when I 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: see people who are writing they have just a body 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: of work that she has. I'm always feel it is 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: a blessed conversation because he has a skill set that's 41 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: a phenomenal. Her producing and writing credits conclude ABC's Pushing Daisies, 42 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: ABC's Castle, The c w S Jane, The Version, The Jane, 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: The Virgin, Marvel, Netflix Daredevil. Currently, she is the co creator, coach, showrunner, 44 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: executive producer for Apple TV plus news series Home Before Dark, 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: starting Jim Sturgis and the Amazing Brooklyn Prince. You'll find 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: out why we when we start the interview, which has 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: been renewed for a second season. Now that's all you 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: want in this business is getting renewable. But when you 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: get when you write a series, you produce a series, 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: and before air it gets renewed. That they blessing and Mr. 51 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Inspired by the report of a real nine year old journalist. 52 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: The storyline goes like this, when a young girl and 53 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: her family moved back to the small town, her father 54 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: left behind her pursuit, meaning the nine year old girl 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: other truth used to the unearthing of a long buried 56 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: code case. Please work with the money making conversation. Co 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: creator co showrunner executive producer of Home Before Darc doa rest, Nick, Hi, 58 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: everywhere I go? What's that a lot? Because you know 59 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: you've got a lot going on. You got you're one 60 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: of those a lot going on people. And that's impressive. 61 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: That's impressive. Thank you. That was really incredible. I want 62 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: you to follow me around everywhere. You know some with 63 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: the storylines did you have that could be written in? 64 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: You know, we do our boat to include everything that 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: needs to be included. And like you said, I've been 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: blessed to work on a lot of different kinds of 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: show because that were working, that would definitely work in 68 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: the Jane the Version series me following around introducing you 69 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: wherever you go. That's definitely working at Jane the Virgin 70 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: for sure. Now when I look at this body of work, 71 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: you know it. First of all, it's just shows a 72 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: range that's a comedy, I see drama, I see action, adventure, 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: sci fi. Uh, and then this then we have this 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: new series series, Home Before Dog. If you don't mind, 75 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: Before we get to Home Before Dog, I'd just like 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: to talk about and compliment you on your body of work, uh, 77 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: that you that you put before and just just just 78 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: just tell us about your mindset from a creative standpoint 79 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: when you walk into projects and such a such a 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: level of diverse projects that that I've just presented to 81 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: the two listeners on my podcast Money Making Conversation, Well, 82 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: I just I go wherever I'm called. I mean, I 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: know that that sounds overly spiritual probably for this conversation, 84 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: but I really do try to read everything that comes 85 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: my way and think about whether or not it's the 86 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: thing that needs to be made or the thing that 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: needs to be said at that time, um and so. 88 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: And also by the way, sometimes it's just something that 89 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: I feel passionate about. Obviously, like Daredevil said a lot 90 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: about justice and uh, you know about vigilante justice in 91 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: particular and having to work sometimes outside the system. But like, 92 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: ultimately I was really just excited to work on a 93 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Marvel show because I'm a nerd. So you know, it's 94 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: it's sometimes it's fun and sometimes there's messaging. Um in 95 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: terms of why I go where I go, that's the reason, 96 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: and in terms of like why the different genres and 97 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: the breadth of the work. One of the things I 98 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: really love about what we do. And I tell this 99 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: to my students because they teach at USC and Sundance 100 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: and a couple other places. We can really write ourselves 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: out of any corner. And it's been sort of the 102 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: most beautiful part of my career has been this ability 103 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: to not get pigeon holes into anyone thing. It's every 104 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: time you know, you think, Okay, well, I guess she's 105 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: a romantic comedy writers, Well let me show you this 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: dark drama that I just wrote completely your expectations. So 107 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: um so yeah, it's it's really is. One of the 108 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: most wonderful things about being a writers is being able 109 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: to have that breath and it is beautiful. I'm looking 110 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: at your body work now. Okay, I'm a nerd Marvel, Netflix, Okay, Daredevil, 111 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: my wife and I oh, I'm telling you. We we 112 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: just couldn't wait, and we were big when we started. 113 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: We didn't stop every time. Now to starve the show. 114 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: Charlie Cox okay, incredible athletes, excellent actor. But the fight 115 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: scenes though, yeah, I mean, and you know one of 116 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: my favorite all time fight scenes was when he was 117 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: coming down the stairwell, remember that scene. Incredible, Yeah, that 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: we we used that fight scene, the hallways, that that 119 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: hallway fight scene, the stairwell one in my episode, the 120 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: fire escape one. Always there's a hallway one in um 121 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: the first season, which is incredible, that's like a one, 122 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: but it didn't that fire escape one. Oh my god, 123 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: the five escape one was really really fun to shoot. Yeah, 124 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things that was really 125 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: cool for me was I went from Shooter, you know, 126 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: where we only had seven days to shoot our sequences 127 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: and didn't always feel as safe as it might um 128 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: and uh, and then we went I went to Daredevil 129 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: and I was really I mean, that machine is such 130 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: a I'm very happy for everybody at Dizzy plus who 131 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: are who are now you know, getting to make these 132 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: new Marvel shows. That's the way that those Marvel Netflix 133 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: shows was was run was really quite remarkable, and they 134 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: took such teainstaking care to make every single one of 135 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: those action sequences fun as how, completely reminiscent of the comics, 136 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: and also really safe for everybody involved. So it was 137 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: really it was. And by the way, I grew up 138 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: in New York City, so I would text like my 139 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: my movie nerd friends who I grew up with and 140 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: be like, I am shooting. And actually, because I used 141 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: to like hang out on the soup and you know 142 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: the fears of my friends. Oh my god, that's awesome. 143 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: You know the thing about Daredevil and I I'm not 144 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna bring up okay that those two 145 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: fight scenes were great. And then the fight scene where 146 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: he had to break out of the prison. Remember that 147 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: one of course, my dear friends one Master Dean wrote 148 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: wrote that one, and I mean he kills it. That's 149 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: my favorite sequence in the whole season. Okay, now I'm 150 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: gonna tell you my favorite scene sequence was when the Punisher. 151 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: Remember when the Punisher was sent in to kill that 152 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: guy and he had to he came out and realized 153 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: he had been set up and he had his way. Yeah, 154 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm that was the most brutal. That was great. Come on, dog, 155 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: that was brutal. But I loved it. I went wow, 156 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I just I was tired watching it. I'm like, this 157 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: guy has to be incredible shape. I was like, oh 158 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: my god. So so it's just it's just the fascination 159 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: of being able to do work like that. Do I 160 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: just I'm kind of you know, which ain't to be 161 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: on your shoulder just watching sometimes because that stuff is great. 162 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm a little Nerrid, I'm sorry, it's really and you 163 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: know that real it really is a good back to 164 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: the thing that I started saying, right is like one 165 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: of the reasons to sign on to a Marvel shild 166 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: has that kind of read. If you can actually sort 167 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: of within that, you can use that as a platform 168 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: to say whatever you want to say. You can talk 169 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: about vigilante justice, you could talk about in the system. 170 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: You can, and you know that it's actually getting out 171 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: there in the world is supposed to. When I was 172 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: on Island sick, I loved I Love Dick. It was great, 173 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: but ultimately I'm pretty sure we were mostly preaching to 174 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: the choir. I don't think that the feminist message much 175 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: beyond the feminist audience you know that ended up finding it. 176 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: The Marvel shoesn't really are really special because of their reach. 177 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: Well they're not only special because the writing. I love 178 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: the character development, you know, and you know how you 179 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: remember when he came, he was in he was at 180 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: the bottom I think it bottom the church and just 181 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: watching him suffer and to deal with the pain. And 182 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: I guess you're saying this, this dude really did watch series. 183 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: It's I'm sorry, Yeah, we were and everybody on the show, 184 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: like really took such incredible care with the with the 185 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: original material. Everybody with a deep fan of the material, 186 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: everybody read the most recent comics. We wanted to make 187 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: sure that it was something that the deep fans of 188 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: the show would love but also be surprised by, you know, 189 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: be influenced by the comics, but not follow them so 190 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: closely that everybody knew what was coming. Um, it was 191 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: a real bummer for everybody when that got canceled. But 192 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 1: I was, really, why are you going to do that? 193 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: You don't bring up the bed. So we were going 194 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: to go and you know, I know it's canceled, you know, God, 195 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: God bless, but I really wanted that fourth season for 196 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: all the folks at day. 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That's O T T E R 234 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: dot ai. Great transition to an amazing series that I 235 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: had the fortune of screening this weekend and m and 236 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: watch amazing nayo actors called Brooklyn Princes. You know, you know, 237 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: you know Dakota Fanning. I thought she was brilliant, you know, 238 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: watching her do her things. Um, and then transition in 239 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: through teen and now as an adult actors, she is 240 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: always very difficult to do. UM. I'm looking at this 241 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: young lady. Tell us about her u in the whole 242 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: casting process to bring on board. And before we really 243 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: get into detail about the series Home before Dawk, we 244 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: were very lucky in that we were told that Brooklyn 245 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: Prince's parents were not that excited about doing a television 246 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: show that they you know, they knew that that was 247 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: a commitment that they didn't necessarily want to put their 248 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: kids through because they have a very they have very 249 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: nice life inse Florida, like as a regular family. And UM, 250 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: we sort of the woman who brought me the original 251 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: underlying material said me, you know what if we just 252 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: send it to her and let's just see what happens. 253 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: And we got them to read it and they and 254 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: Brooklyn both loved and read the scripts. And in the meantime, 255 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: we have been we had been auditioning all of these 256 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: other kids, and none of them were getting it. I mean, 257 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: looking back the idea that we were we decided to 258 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: do a television show about a nine year old girl 259 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: without having the said nine year old girl at task already, 260 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: who we knew could actually handle this sort of it's 261 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: crazy that we decided to do that, because the show 262 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: could have been a disaster with the wrong kids. UM. 263 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: But we ended up getting her and her father to 264 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: read with John to our director um on a long 265 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: distance audition. And the thing that was so remarkable was 266 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: that Brooklyn and her dad would like correct each other. 267 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: They had this sort of peer relationship where like, hey, Dad, 268 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: you missed the line and he's like, oh sorry, And 269 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: you could see that they really respected each other as 270 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: colleagues as much as you know, she's he's also her father, 271 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: And that's exactly the same as the real healthy and 272 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: her father. They deeply respect each other and they have 273 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: a very peer like relationships. They're almost like, you know, 274 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: crime investigative, like crime partners in a lot of ways. 275 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: The way that they tell stories is almost like the 276 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: way like people who have been married for fifty years 277 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: tell stories, like remember when you did the thing in 278 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: the place that okay, find you tell that first. And 279 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: that's very much Brooklyn on her dad, because we knew 280 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: that Brooklyn would understand what we were writing in terms 281 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: of like reflecting the real healthy. Oh it's beautiful. It's 282 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: just a beautiful script. Uh. You know. The one thing 283 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: I love about watching creative writing is you know the story, 284 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: watching the story developed. You know. And so, but before 285 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: we go into the story, let's talk about the real 286 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: healthy And and I saw a social media post where 287 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, she had gotten stopped by police officer. I 288 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: believe in Arizona. And so she videotaped that and then 289 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: posted it and then then you reach you you you've 290 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: made a comment to on social media, and then she 291 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: said something about she doesn't do any interviews, and it 292 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: was really funny watching this little mature girl have this 293 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: conversation with adults at a very professional level talk about 294 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: that whole that whole relationship. I got all kicked off 295 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: because I was just laughing watching I just watching the 296 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: whole relationship build itself out on So your media and 297 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: your your interaction, and you are a naturally funny person, doll. 298 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm just going with you. Thank you. It's really funny, 299 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: it's really sweet. I mean, so, yes, she is incredible. 300 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: She's a tiny warrior. And now she's actually not so 301 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: tiny anymore. She's a like fourteen fourteen years old. UM, 302 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: But when we met her, she was a tiny warrior. 303 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things that I actually 304 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: I love about that video that you're talking about, by 305 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: the way, that's a great example of like using your 306 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: privilege in a way that your people can't. UM. And 307 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: I think that even though she's a journalist and she's 308 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: non biased, I think she's very aware of that. I 309 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: think that she's aware of what she can and can't do, 310 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: and feels the obligation to report on those things specifically 311 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: because she can. Um. One of those things that she 312 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: said to us was, you know, one of the one 313 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: of her. Even though she doesn't like it when people 314 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: call her a young journalist, she's just a journalist to her. 315 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: She's also aware that like being a young female white 316 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: child in America, I means a people will sort of 317 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: say and do things around her. They'll let their guard 318 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: down in a way that they kind of normally wouldn't. 319 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: And that was I mean, people literally would just confess 320 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: things to her. You know, she in her tiny town 321 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, she uncovered a mess rings, she uncovered a 322 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: vandalism rings, And basically these were just people who didn't 323 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: take her seriously enough to realize that she was gonna 324 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: be essentially handing them straight into the arms of the 325 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: associates worry UM. And so we were really just so 326 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: taken by her, and we were really taken also by 327 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, her relationship with her father, who was a 328 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: daily news reporter. UM for many many years covered homicides 329 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: and the bronx and covered Savon Martin and covered new Town, 330 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: and he got so disillusioned by the news and the 331 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: clickbait of it all that he left. He left New York. 332 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: He took his four girls and his wife and brought 333 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: them to see Lescrow, Pennsylvania, back where he was from, 334 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: and he could write. He was really depressed. Um. He 335 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: was supposed to be writing a book. And Hildee, who 336 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: he had taken to all of these crime scenes, was 337 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: the only one of his four daughters who had been 338 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: interested in journalism, started riding her bike around Seeland Scow, 339 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and reporting these very small, very truthful stories, including 340 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: just down the street, a man killed his wife with 341 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: the hammer and she scooped the local paper of that story. Um, 342 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: and and then those the story went viral, and the 343 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: comments for the story went viral. The comments were awful. 344 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: They were all about, you know, you're just a little girl, 345 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: why aren't you having tea parties? And she's like, if 346 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: you don't like the news, why don't you do something 347 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: about the news? And I love And that brought Matt 348 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: her dad out of his depression, and it really brought 349 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: the whole family. Shining a light on the truth and 350 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: reporting just the fact brought the whole family got together. 351 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't know how to be not 352 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: inspired by that story. You know, well, you know the 353 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: thing about it. You can be inspired by the story, 354 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: but how you develop it and make it and maintain 355 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: some level of realness and also entertainment because this is entertainment. 356 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: And and then as you built the story out, you know, 357 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: basically the reason the show work for me, it really 358 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: is a parenting show. It's a parenting storyline. It's about 359 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: it's about a relationship between a common of age with 360 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: her her sister, older sister. You have a marriage that's 361 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: it's it's dysfunctional that has to find itself, a father, 362 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: father's son. It's a lot of abc D stories that 363 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: I felt were really relatable. And it's all sent around 364 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: it's all centers around this young girl, which you're saying, 365 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: stay true to yourself, don't let bullying turn you, don't 366 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: let the people not understanding you. And even in the 367 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: story as we go through, there's some conflict with the dad, 368 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, because he suddenly wants to become a parent, 369 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: and and and and and it's really it's really that's 370 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: what I enjoyed about it, and and I never was 371 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: bored in the whole process, but it was just watching 372 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: this young lady developed and then you guys doing that 373 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: little nice little skills set. She has like a photographic 374 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: memory type and that's real, that's actually true, had that 375 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: kind of memory. So it was it was an easy 376 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: thing to throw in there because it was the reality 377 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: of the of the real kids. Well, all I wanted 378 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: to just say is this is that you know this series. 379 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: You know, I recommended all my fans on social media, 380 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: all my fans or whatever. Ninety thousand um email fan 381 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: newsletter goes out every Friday, nine am. I'm putting it 382 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: in that um I from the very beginning, I fell 383 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: in love with this young lady, Brooklyn Prince. If you 384 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: guys know anything about him to talking to my listeners. 385 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: Now look her up. She's upon a five star and 386 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: then she cries. She cries immediately, she laughs immediately, she 387 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: controls the scene, she knows how to, she knows the level. 388 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: But throughout I think the key in this series she 389 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: remains a nine. She remains a nine year old child. Darry. 390 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: That was the key for me, you know, because sometimes 391 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: you can get these these kids actors and they go, 392 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 1: you're an adult. You're not You're not an adult. You're 393 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: nine years old, right, And I never believe that she 394 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: was not nine years old. She's just a small your girl, 395 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: And I bought the storyline that guess what, you know, 396 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: she learned these things from following her dad on crime scenes. 397 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: And so all the all the layers that you wanted 398 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: the story to bring credibility to stories, you definitely put 399 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: in there. Your your skill as a writer, as a 400 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: co creator, as a co executive doucer, and a show runner, 401 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: and all the excuse me, executive and co show runner 402 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 1: shows out and uh, brilliant body at work. So so 403 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: I just want to stay before the clothes. So what 404 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: happens when you do a series, Dora, and then renew 405 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: it they reknew it do before you air? What runs? 406 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: Do you mind? Did you go? Right? I don't even 407 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: know if I'm if I'm supposed to say this, but 408 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: I'll say it anyway. Like we actually got renewed before 409 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: we were even I think officially done with the pilot. 410 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 1: Renewed essentially based on the basis of how the pilot 411 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: looked like it was turning out and how we had 412 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: written all the other scripts for the season, so they 413 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: were judging it based on how the scripts were coming in. 414 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean we were pretty poor. We were, 415 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: we were you know, there's those moments where you mean, 416 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: it was even more than even more than I'm renewed, 417 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: although yes, absolutely that. It was also like how did 418 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: I get this lucky? You know what I mean? Like 419 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: how do I get this lucky to live this life 420 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: and have this opportunity? Like holy crap. So that was 421 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: really incredible. Um, and you know, unfortunately the pandemic happened 422 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: right in the middle of the second season. But you know, 423 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: we'll get back to work. It's safe to get back 424 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: to working. In the meantime, this has really offered me 425 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do a bunch of other stuff that 426 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about. So you know, I appreciate I 427 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: appreciate you. I appreciate you your body of work with 428 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: talk ceature that if a musk, I'm gonna call it 429 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: if a mus Dara res Nick, you know, I love 430 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: you girl. She has a great series going Home Before Dark. 431 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: It started by man Jim Sturgeons. He's the dad of 432 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Prince, who was this uh this this amazing young 433 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: detective recorder. I can't wait till the next season series 434 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: of shows Gone because I'm telling you I started at 435 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: ten o'clock on Saturday morning. I finished at seven o'clock 436 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: on Saturday night. I watched it in my office. Then 437 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: I grabbed me a sandwich in the kitchen with my 438 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: laptop and finally finished up watching my sprinkler system go 439 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: off in my front yard on my front porch. It 440 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: was that good. I'm telling you, Home before Dark is 441 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: a body of work. There's this borderline, uh fanatical for me. 442 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, I'm just I'm a nerd or now I'm 443 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: a fan. Okay, so Dark, I don't want to hold 444 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: you any longer. I just want to let you know 445 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: thank you for allowing me to compliment you, and not 446 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: only on this body of work, but to share a fantasy. 447 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: I got to talk to a person who actually created 448 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: those amazing scenes on Dar Devil, which will live with 449 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: me for the rest of my life. My wife and 450 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: I we both enjoyed that series. So she's a fan 451 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: of you. Of your work as well, and just keep winning. Okay, 452 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: do you too? This is the bright spot I really needed. 453 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: I I really I hope that you're good out there, 454 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: and I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the support. 455 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and you keep supporting me. And guess what, 456 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: We're friends now, Okay, dar keep winning? Bye bye. In 457 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: this season of giving, Holes has gifts for all your 458 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: loved ones. For those who like to keep it cozy, 459 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: find fleeces, sweaters, loungeware, blankets and throws. Or support minority 460 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: owned or founded brands by giving gifts from Human Nation 461 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: and Shame Moisture. 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