Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It is Friday, March sixth, and those
Speaker 1: missing Epstein files having to do with an alleged sexual
Speaker 1: assault by President Trump have been found. They have been released,
Speaker 1: and they are awful. Welcome to this episode of Amy
Speaker 1: and TJ. Robes. I feel compelled to start with this.
Speaker 1: The President of the United States has not been formally
Speaker 1: accused of any criminal wrongdoing. These are allegations, as he says,
Speaker 1: are baseless, unfounded. Fine, but they are now out ropes.
Speaker 1: And the big deal here is that these it just
Speaker 1: so happened that these were the three files that we're missing,
Speaker 1: and now that we see what's in them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a tough read.
Speaker 3: And look, you know, we have debated, We were debating
Speaker 3: whether or not we even did this episode because it's tough. Look,
Speaker 3: there are allegations that are, as you pointed, really hard
Speaker 3: to absorb and to even read. I mean this, we're
Speaker 3: talking about a thirteen year old girl at the time,
Speaker 3: and these are serious criminal allegations that are unfounded in
Speaker 3: a sense because there is no proof.
Speaker 2: This is her word against his word.
Speaker 3: And that's what makes any type of sexual allegation or
Speaker 3: an allegation of abuse so difficult. Because oftentimes there isn't proof,
Speaker 3: and obviously so many years have passed.
Speaker 2: This is from nineteen eighty three, yeah, mid eighties.
Speaker 3: So look, there's no way that this is ever going
Speaker 3: to be the truth is never going to be determined
Speaker 3: here beyond a reasonable doubt or any doubt. Really, So
Speaker 3: this is tough but also important, and I think almost
Speaker 3: more notably important because these were the files that somehow
Speaker 3: weren't included.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if this stuff had all been included in that
Speaker 1: first document dump, people would have found it, reported about it.
Speaker 1: He would have said these are unfounded, baseless, wild accusations,
Speaker 1: and folks moved on. I think it does ropes. Is
Speaker 1: that what it is. It adds to an element like
Speaker 1: these just so happen to be the ones that were withheld,
Speaker 1: the ones with the worst Is this not the worst
Speaker 1: information that has come out in any Epstein file about President.
Speaker 2: Trump, without a doubt, without a doubt.
Speaker 3: And then we get the response or the I guess,
Speaker 3: just the official statement from the Department of Justice on
Speaker 3: X and it's such a confusing statement. It even adds
Speaker 3: to almost the deliberate confusion, like it's almost like they're
Speaker 3: deliberately trying to make it seem.
Speaker 2: Unintelligible so that you just move on.
Speaker 1: And they nailed it because they confused the hell out
Speaker 1: of me. But we want to again. I guess we
Speaker 1: just have to give this warning folks. We're going to
Speaker 1: share the excerpts of what excerpts of what is in
Speaker 1: these newly released I guess newly found documents, but they
Speaker 1: are out there. The timing I think it was actually
Speaker 1: overnight when these hit, was it not Robes? So yes,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are waking up to this news. Yes,
Speaker 1: the files have been fouled. Let's go back though. We
Speaker 1: know documents have been coming out and trickling out since
Speaker 1: the end of last year, but in particular recently, there
Speaker 1: were files that were put out in which there was
Speaker 1: an allegation made against Epstein and Trump by someone in particular,
Speaker 1: a particular woman who had come forward in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: She did four interviews with the FBI. Only the notes
Speaker 1: of one of those four interviews made it into the
Speaker 1: public release a file, so people started asking, where's the
Speaker 1: rest of it? Where are the details about the interviews
Speaker 1: she did with the FBI talking about Trump? So this
Speaker 1: has been going on not quite a week maybe, but
Speaker 1: now those are the documents that have been filed. So
Speaker 1: that is the setup, I guess now robes for what
Speaker 1: we're going to share. These four interviews all done in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen after Epstein was arrested, correct, right, And that's
Speaker 1: why the FBI went and talked to this woman. Now
Speaker 1: let's start at the top here, robes. The reason that
Speaker 1: the FBI even got in touch with this woman is
Speaker 1: because a friend of the alleged victim reached out to
Speaker 1: the FBI, and that's where we started.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's interesting, just news of Jeffrey Epstein being arrested
Speaker 3: prompted so many of these interviews where people finally felt safe.
Speaker 3: And that is what I got out of this when
Speaker 3: we read every word of these newly released documents. And
Speaker 3: one of the biggest takeaways I got, and just it
Speaker 3: takes my breath away, is the fear.
Speaker 2: The fear that this woman felt.
Speaker 3: This she talks about being hounded for years and followed
Speaker 3: and threatened for years, so she didn't even want this recorded.
Speaker 3: She was so afraid of her identity being released. That
Speaker 3: was really palpable to me. But it begins with how
Speaker 3: the investigation started. A friend states that re she was
Speaker 3: informed by an unidentified female friend currently residing in Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 3: that she was forced to perform oral sex on President
Speaker 3: Trump approximately thirty five years ago in this state of
Speaker 3: New Jersey. The friend stated that she was approximately thirteen
Speaker 3: to fourteen years of age when this occurred. The friend
Speaker 3: allegedly bit President Trump while performing oral sex and described
Speaker 3: his heavy breathing. The friend was allegedly hit in the
Speaker 3: face after she laughed about biting him.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the setup. I mean, that is how
Speaker 1: the FBI first come came to know about this whole incident,
Speaker 1: is because this other person came forward. Now again it
Speaker 1: seems to I just want to keep giving warning. Some
Speaker 1: of this stuff is very difficult to hear. I don't
Speaker 1: know how robes to treat sometimes these these stories, because
Speaker 1: as bad as this sound, it seems sometimes it seemed,
Speaker 1: how can the president defend himself? These are heinous accusations
Speaker 1: that we are going to read here. But how is
Speaker 1: it not relevant to this investigation? How is it not
Speaker 1: relevant to these files? How's it not relevant to this
Speaker 1: president and connection to Epstein? I don't know how to
Speaker 1: not report on.
Speaker 3: It correct And I think, and again we pointed this
Speaker 3: out a few minutes ago. But I think because these
Speaker 3: were the files that were, according to the Justice Department,
Speaker 3: mistakenly marked as duplicative, I believe is what they said.
Speaker 2: The word they used makes it all the more glaring.
Speaker 3: And that's why this is deeply concerning because this report
Speaker 3: apparently was also included in a Department of Justice presentation
Speaker 3: about the Klain Maxwell files internally, so this was regarded
Speaker 3: with some level of credibility by detectives and yet was
Speaker 3: not included in the document release, and that, I think
Speaker 3: is what makes this all the more concerning.
Speaker 1: And again a reminder here as we continue, we're going
Speaker 1: to get into now what this victim, alleged victim told
Speaker 1: the FBI, and some of these excerpts, but again I
Speaker 1: just want to keep warning, yes, this is something this
Speaker 1: is tough to hear. And also a reminder that the
Speaker 1: president has denied any wrongdoing. He has not been found
Speaker 1: or charged and accused criminally in any way.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: So, after the friend spoke to detectives or to the FBI,
Speaker 3: the victim then eventually agreed to do so as well,
Speaker 3: and so here is some Here are some excerpts from
Speaker 3: that interview. The victim could not recall the identities of
Speaker 3: the other individuals present. However, they all exited when Trump
Speaker 3: asked everyone to leave the room, Trump mentioned something to
Speaker 3: the effect of, let me teach you how little girls
Speaker 3: are supposed to be. Trump unzipped his pants and put
Speaker 3: her head down to his penis. Victim quote, bit this
Speaker 3: shit out of it. Trump struck victim and said words
Speaker 3: to the effect of get this little bitch the hell
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 1: That's these are notes again, folks, this is seven years ago.
Speaker 1: These interviews were done. A woman that came forward after
Speaker 1: Epstein was arrested. Do I remember robes with some of
Speaker 1: this They they started wrecking. I think some victims even
Speaker 1: started recognizing him. They didn't even realize in some cases
Speaker 1: who they had dealt with, and they started seeing his
Speaker 1: face and robes. This is amazing that in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: this was all triggered because he was arrested.
Speaker 3: Look, there was I believe this from speaking with Virginia
Speaker 3: and reading the excerpts from other victims. They were genuinely
Speaker 3: afraid for their safety.
Speaker 2: Many of these women went.
Speaker 3: Into hiding, and you're right, maybe some were so young
Speaker 3: that they weren't even putting two and two together and
Speaker 3: then they see his face and they're triggered, flooded.
Speaker 2: With oh my god, that's who that person was.
Speaker 3: Or maybe they thought it was just them, that they
Speaker 3: were the only ones, and then they started to see
Speaker 3: the scope of it and felt compelled to add to
Speaker 3: what this man reportedly did.
Speaker 2: Just so many women girls.
Speaker 1: In these interviews, not just about this incident, which there
Speaker 1: is more about, but roads I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 1: She gave kind of some insights into their relationship and
Speaker 1: watching them interact Epstein and Trump.
Speaker 3: Yes, she went on to say to the FBI agents,
Speaker 3: Victim got the feeling the relationship between Epstein and Trump
Speaker 3: included a certain amount of jealousy. She thought Trump appeared
Speaker 3: jealous of Epstein, but at some point they ended up
Speaker 3: on level playing fields. Trump and Epstein sometimes used the
Speaker 3: terms fresh meat, untainted, and not jaded while referring to girls.
Speaker 3: Victim stated she had two additional interactions with Trump, but
Speaker 3: she asked that the interview move on to a different
Speaker 3: subject for the time being.
Speaker 1: Gain folks, these are FBI notes from interviews they did
Speaker 1: with an alleged victim, and this is what they the
Speaker 1: FBI Law enforcement was jotting down in their notes. Again
Speaker 1: another interesting nugget here having to do Robes with their
Speaker 1: relationship about blackmail here, But before we even move on
Speaker 1: to that, your reaction to this, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: her interpretation. I mean, the President's going to say she's
Speaker 1: making every bit of this up and it never happened.
Speaker 1: But Robe, that's interesting insight. Take it for what it
Speaker 1: is it is.
Speaker 3: And she even went on to say, I know you
Speaker 3: didn't include this excerpt, but like the not jaded thing
Speaker 3: she said, at the time, she had no idea what
Speaker 3: it meant. And she remembered later looking it up to
Speaker 3: even try to figure out what the word jaded meant
Speaker 3: and how it would apply. And she only when she
Speaker 3: became more mature and grew up did she realize what
Speaker 3: that reference was.
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: And again a testament here to just how I mean
Speaker 1: they were. So this was thirteen fourteen fifteen at the time.
Speaker 1: Now more about their relationship, Robe. She seemed to give
Speaker 1: some insight in these interviews about Trump's some of his
Speaker 1: I guess dealings behind the scene. And also Robe, you
Speaker 1: pointed out the hell that some of these young ladies
Speaker 1: seemed to go through and this inner. She alluded to
Speaker 1: that with being followed and even blackmailed by Epstein for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, phone calls where she said she would get, you know,
Speaker 2: hang up static.
Speaker 3: It sounded like an episode of a horror movie warning
Speaker 3: her telling her to shut the f up, being run
Speaker 3: off the road.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is I was.
Speaker 3: I was. Actually it was chilling to hear her tell
Speaker 3: the FBI what she says she has been through for decades.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said quote stated that Epstein's blackmailing of her
Speaker 1: mother ruined my family. I asked the agents to keep
Speaker 1: her safe, stating throughout my life his Epstein's people have
Speaker 1: found me, have kept tabs on me. That sounds like
Speaker 1: someone who was fearful. Again, this is twenty nineteen. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is decades now, and she's still complaining.
Speaker 3: Yes, Look, Virginia's Gufrey moved to Australia and went into
Speaker 3: hiding for more than a decade to get away from Epstein.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's legit. This is not just her story.
Speaker 3: This is the story of so many others.
Speaker 1: It's to think the rope twenty nineteen she's talking about,
Speaker 1: He's kept tabs on me throughout my life ruined my family.
Speaker 1: This is twenty nineteen and she's talking about these things.
Speaker 1: I mean, how long did this possibly go on? I
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting, this interesting line. And she said
Speaker 1: that she was confident Trump knew Epstein blackmailed people because
Speaker 1: she heard the two of them talking about it. Yes,
Speaker 1: and this other here rope. This is just interesting talking
Speaker 1: about possibly some of Trump's business dealings were not on
Speaker 1: the up and up.
Speaker 3: Yes, she said that she knew Trump had illegal building permit.
Speaker 3: She heard Trump talking about washing money through casinos. Number six,
Speaker 3: she said, is Donald Trump's favorite number. Not sure how
Speaker 3: she knew that, but she had heard it at one point.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting.
Speaker 3: She's claiming these girls who were around Trump and Epstein
Speaker 3: actually heard them just being themselves, talking business, talking about
Speaker 3: their likes, their dislikes, and just having that adjacent information
Speaker 3: beyond just any alleged sexual abuse, but just to have
Speaker 3: overheard all of these conversations. It is interesting that this
Speaker 3: was all documented by the FBI.
Speaker 1: Yeah, four interviews that were done. Stay here will tell
Speaker 1: you how the interviews wrapped up and why possibly there
Speaker 1: was not a fifth interview. Stay here, all right, We
Speaker 1: continue here on this Friday, March sixth going through what
Speaker 1: are the latest files released in the Epstein files. These
Speaker 1: are the ones that were missing four interviews done with
Speaker 1: a woman who alleged sexual abuse by Epstein and in
Speaker 1: fact by President Trump back in the eighties when she
Speaker 1: was a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old girl. Those files
Speaker 1: that were missing have now been found and details three
Speaker 1: interviews and the details of those interviews that the FBI
Speaker 1: took with this woman in twenty nineteen. Roads had been
Speaker 1: going through some of this pretty awful stuff. I want
Speaker 1: to always keep saying. The President has denied any wrongdoing.
Speaker 1: The White House has certainly been defending the President said
Speaker 1: he's been exonerated really by a lot of what they
Speaker 1: see in these files.
Speaker 3: Yes, and we should point out as of this recording,
Speaker 3: the White House has not responded to this latest release
Speaker 3: as of early Friday morning, but again this happened overnight
Speaker 3: and the Department of Justice saying that it discovered fifteen
Speaker 3: documents were incorrectly coded as duplicative. So that has been
Speaker 3: the official response from the Department of Justice on x
Speaker 3: And we know that the White House has said that
Speaker 3: some of these files and even the ones that were
Speaker 3: released before, may include fake falsely submitted images, documents, or videos,
Speaker 3: because they're saying everything that the FBI investigated, everything that
Speaker 3: was sent to the FBI was included in these files,
Speaker 3: including false, unfounded claim against President Trump.
Speaker 1: Didn't they have some word like they could be explosive
Speaker 1: or they warned that some of the stuff?
Speaker 3: Actually it says some of the documents contain untrue and
Speaker 3: sensationalist claims against President Trump that were submitted to the
Speaker 3: FBI right before the twenty twenty election.
Speaker 2: I wonder if.
Speaker 3: They were actually referring specifically to that interview, because if
Speaker 3: this happened in the summer of twenty nineteen, yes, that
Speaker 3: would be leading up to the twenty twenty election, so
Speaker 3: that they could actually have been pre warning about this
Speaker 3: in case it got out, or in case it was released,
Speaker 3: or in the event that someone would recognize that this
Speaker 3: was missing.
Speaker 1: Is that a line or a suggestion that maybe this
Speaker 1: was politically motivated the timing of it at the time.
Speaker 3: To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false, and
Speaker 3: if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would
Speaker 3: have been weaponized against President Trump already.
Speaker 1: So they wrapped up and this was I guesses this
Speaker 1: is how they wrapped up with the lady in the interviews,
Speaker 1: and nothing more came of it.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: This is the last bit from the FBI asked whether
Speaker 3: she was comfortable detailing her contacts with Trump. Victim again
Speaker 3: asked what the point would be of providing the information
Speaker 3: at this point in her life when there was a
Speaker 3: strong possibility nothing could be done about it. The agents
Speaker 3: asked to go home and take as much time as
Speaker 3: she needed to think about speaking with the agents further agreed,
Speaker 3: and the interview ended.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, and as far as we know, nothing
Speaker 1: else ever.
Speaker 3: Came of it, right, Because look, if you do the math,
Speaker 3: if she was thirteen eighty three, she's in her mid
Speaker 3: fifties right now. Obviously the statute of limitations is far over,
Speaker 3: and she will just be vilified. Look, if her claims
Speaker 3: are true, even if she's saying absolutely what happened, there
Speaker 3: is nothing legally that could be done about it. And really,
Speaker 3: she has way more to lose than anything to gain.
Speaker 3: And she's lived in fear for how long you know.
Speaker 1: There there will be plenty, plenty of folks out there
Speaker 1: saying she needs to come forward, she needs to be brave,
Speaker 1: she needs to represent the other women. She needs to
Speaker 1: do this and that I nope, this woman can do
Speaker 1: what And you know, I don't know if she has
Speaker 1: been Maybe she has been in that group of survivors,
Speaker 1: maybe she has been interact maybe she's been in front
Speaker 1: of in some of those press conferences. We just didn't
Speaker 1: know who she was. Maybe we don't know, But I
Speaker 1: cannot robes anyway. No one should question this woman on
Speaker 1: the decision she has made for her and her safety.
Speaker 1: You just cannot. And this is another situation in the
Speaker 1: Epstein files where something's there, we don't We get no finality,
Speaker 1: we get no answers, we get no truth. Necessarily, it's
Speaker 1: just something else in there. And one side said it happened,
Speaker 1: on other sides that it didn't.
Speaker 3: I know, the Trump allegations and the Trump narrative is
Speaker 3: going to be obviously the big incendiary headline and certainly
Speaker 3: the thing that brings people to read these excerpts. But
Speaker 3: I think actually just hearing about her detailing what happened
Speaker 3: to her in the years afterward, is just as chilling
Speaker 3: and fascinating and eye opening as to perhaps how Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Epstein may have been able to stay in his position
Speaker 3: of power and keep all of these women quiet with
Speaker 3: the threats and the blackmailing. It's really eye opening to
Speaker 3: hear her version of what she says happened to her.
Speaker 3: But of course we will always keep our eye on
Speaker 3: this constantly developing situation with the Epstein investigation.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you as always for listening to us I
Speaker 2: Ami Roboch alongside t. J. Holmes. We'll talk to you
Speaker 2: very soon.