1
00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:14,200
Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It is Friday, March sixth, and those

2
00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,919
Speaker 1: missing Epstein files having to do with an alleged sexual

3
00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,560
Speaker 1: assault by President Trump have been found. They have been released,

4
00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,040
Speaker 1: and they are awful. Welcome to this episode of Amy

5
00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,600
Speaker 1: and TJ. Robes. I feel compelled to start with this.

6
00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,360
Speaker 1: The President of the United States has not been formally

7
00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,920
Speaker 1: accused of any criminal wrongdoing. These are allegations, as he says,

8
00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,800
Speaker 1: are baseless, unfounded. Fine, but they are now out ropes.

9
00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,800
Speaker 1: And the big deal here is that these it just

10
00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,160
Speaker 1: so happened that these were the three files that we're missing,

11
00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,520
Speaker 1: and now that we see what's in them.

12
00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a tough read.

13
00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,560
Speaker 3: And look, you know, we have debated, We were debating

14
00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,360
Speaker 3: whether or not we even did this episode because it's tough. Look,

15
00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,040
Speaker 3: there are allegations that are, as you pointed, really hard

16
00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,160
Speaker 3: to absorb and to even read. I mean this, we're

17
00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,120
Speaker 3: talking about a thirteen year old girl at the time,

18
00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:27,360
Speaker 3: and these are serious criminal allegations that are unfounded in

19
00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,200
Speaker 3: a sense because there is no proof.

20
00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,880
Speaker 2: This is her word against his word.

21
00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,360
Speaker 3: And that's what makes any type of sexual allegation or

22
00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,759
Speaker 3: an allegation of abuse so difficult. Because oftentimes there isn't proof,

23
00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,960
Speaker 3: and obviously so many years have passed.

24
00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,880
Speaker 2: This is from nineteen eighty three, yeah, mid eighties.

25
00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,360
Speaker 3: So look, there's no way that this is ever going

26
00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,440
Speaker 3: to be the truth is never going to be determined

27
00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,400
Speaker 3: here beyond a reasonable doubt or any doubt. Really, So

28
00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,760
Speaker 3: this is tough but also important, and I think almost

29
00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,560
Speaker 3: more notably important because these were the files that somehow

30
00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,520
Speaker 3: weren't included.

31
00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, if this stuff had all been included in that

32
00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,680
Speaker 1: first document dump, people would have found it, reported about it.

33
00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,320
Speaker 1: He would have said these are unfounded, baseless, wild accusations,

34
00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,600
Speaker 1: and folks moved on. I think it does ropes. Is

35
00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,720
Speaker 1: that what it is. It adds to an element like

36
00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,160
Speaker 1: these just so happen to be the ones that were withheld,

37
00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,480
Speaker 1: the ones with the worst Is this not the worst

38
00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,480
Speaker 1: information that has come out in any Epstein file about President.

39
00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,639
Speaker 2: Trump, without a doubt, without a doubt.

40
00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,359
Speaker 3: And then we get the response or the I guess,

41
00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,840
Speaker 3: just the official statement from the Department of Justice on

42
00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,200
Speaker 3: X and it's such a confusing statement. It even adds

43
00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,520
Speaker 3: to almost the deliberate confusion, like it's almost like they're

44
00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,519
Speaker 3: deliberately trying to make it seem.

45
00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,720
Speaker 2: Unintelligible so that you just move on.

46
00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,240
Speaker 1: And they nailed it because they confused the hell out

47
00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,160
Speaker 1: of me. But we want to again. I guess we

48
00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,760
Speaker 1: just have to give this warning folks. We're going to

49
00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,960
Speaker 1: share the excerpts of what excerpts of what is in

50
00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,680
Speaker 1: these newly released I guess newly found documents, but they

51
00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,600
Speaker 1: are out there. The timing I think it was actually

52
00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,320
Speaker 1: overnight when these hit, was it not Robes? So yes,

53
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people are waking up to this news. Yes,

54
00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,160
Speaker 1: the files have been fouled. Let's go back though. We

55
00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,679
Speaker 1: know documents have been coming out and trickling out since

56
00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,680
Speaker 1: the end of last year, but in particular recently, there

57
00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,679
Speaker 1: were files that were put out in which there was

58
00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,320
Speaker 1: an allegation made against Epstein and Trump by someone in particular,

59
00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,640
Speaker 1: a particular woman who had come forward in twenty nineteen.

60
00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,680
Speaker 1: She did four interviews with the FBI. Only the notes

61
00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,280
Speaker 1: of one of those four interviews made it into the

62
00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,080
Speaker 1: public release a file, so people started asking, where's the

63
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,680
Speaker 1: rest of it? Where are the details about the interviews

64
00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,320
Speaker 1: she did with the FBI talking about Trump? So this

65
00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,320
Speaker 1: has been going on not quite a week maybe, but

66
00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,360
Speaker 1: now those are the documents that have been filed. So

67
00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,120
Speaker 1: that is the setup, I guess now robes for what

68
00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,160
Speaker 1: we're going to share. These four interviews all done in

69
00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,840
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen after Epstein was arrested, correct, right, And that's

70
00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,040
Speaker 1: why the FBI went and talked to this woman. Now

71
00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,400
Speaker 1: let's start at the top here, robes. The reason that

72
00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,680
Speaker 1: the FBI even got in touch with this woman is

73
00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,839
Speaker 1: because a friend of the alleged victim reached out to

74
00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,200
Speaker 1: the FBI, and that's where we started.

75
00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,240
Speaker 3: Yes, it's interesting, just news of Jeffrey Epstein being arrested

76
00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,360
Speaker 3: prompted so many of these interviews where people finally felt safe.

77
00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,560
Speaker 3: And that is what I got out of this when

78
00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,720
Speaker 3: we read every word of these newly released documents. And

79
00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,680
Speaker 3: one of the biggest takeaways I got, and just it

80
00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,119
Speaker 3: takes my breath away, is the fear.

81
00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,080
Speaker 2: The fear that this woman felt.

82
00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,000
Speaker 3: This she talks about being hounded for years and followed

83
00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,080
Speaker 3: and threatened for years, so she didn't even want this recorded.

84
00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,960
Speaker 3: She was so afraid of her identity being released. That

85
00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,240
Speaker 3: was really palpable to me. But it begins with how

86
00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,640
Speaker 3: the investigation started. A friend states that re she was

87
00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,840
Speaker 3: informed by an unidentified female friend currently residing in Portland, Oregon,

88
00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,479
Speaker 3: that she was forced to perform oral sex on President

89
00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,760
Speaker 3: Trump approximately thirty five years ago in this state of

90
00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,040
Speaker 3: New Jersey. The friend stated that she was approximately thirteen

91
00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,679
Speaker 3: to fourteen years of age when this occurred. The friend

92
00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,120
Speaker 3: allegedly bit President Trump while performing oral sex and described

93
00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,599
Speaker 3: his heavy breathing. The friend was allegedly hit in the

94
00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,039
Speaker 3: face after she laughed about biting him.

95
00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the setup. I mean, that is how

96
00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,240
Speaker 1: the FBI first come came to know about this whole incident,

97
00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,719
Speaker 1: is because this other person came forward. Now again it

98
00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,200
Speaker 1: seems to I just want to keep giving warning. Some

99
00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,440
Speaker 1: of this stuff is very difficult to hear. I don't

100
00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,599
Speaker 1: know how robes to treat sometimes these these stories, because

101
00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,960
Speaker 1: as bad as this sound, it seems sometimes it seemed,

102
00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,000
Speaker 1: how can the president defend himself? These are heinous accusations

103
00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,080
Speaker 1: that we are going to read here. But how is

104
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,080
Speaker 1: it not relevant to this investigation? How is it not

105
00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,279
Speaker 1: relevant to these files? How's it not relevant to this

106
00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,800
Speaker 1: president and connection to Epstein? I don't know how to

107
00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:10,640
Speaker 1: not report on.

108
00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,919
Speaker 3: It correct And I think, and again we pointed this

109
00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,520
Speaker 3: out a few minutes ago. But I think because these

110
00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,120
Speaker 3: were the files that were, according to the Justice Department,

111
00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,680
Speaker 3: mistakenly marked as duplicative, I believe is what they said.

112
00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,960
Speaker 2: The word they used makes it all the more glaring.

113
00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,200
Speaker 3: And that's why this is deeply concerning because this report

114
00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,599
Speaker 3: apparently was also included in a Department of Justice presentation

115
00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,000
Speaker 3: about the Klain Maxwell files internally, so this was regarded

116
00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,120
Speaker 3: with some level of credibility by detectives and yet was

117
00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,800
Speaker 3: not included in the document release, and that, I think

118
00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,000
Speaker 3: is what makes this all the more concerning.

119
00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,800
Speaker 1: And again a reminder here as we continue, we're going

120
00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,760
Speaker 1: to get into now what this victim, alleged victim told

121
00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,400
Speaker 1: the FBI, and some of these excerpts, but again I

122
00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880
Speaker 1: just want to keep warning, yes, this is something this

123
00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,760
Speaker 1: is tough to hear. And also a reminder that the

124
00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,120
Speaker 1: president has denied any wrongdoing. He has not been found

125
00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,600
Speaker 1: or charged and accused criminally in any way.

126
00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:14,440
Speaker 2: Correct.

127
00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,560
Speaker 3: So, after the friend spoke to detectives or to the FBI,

128
00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,559
Speaker 3: the victim then eventually agreed to do so as well,

129
00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,520
Speaker 3: and so here is some Here are some excerpts from

130
00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,640
Speaker 3: that interview. The victim could not recall the identities of

131
00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,840
Speaker 3: the other individuals present. However, they all exited when Trump

132
00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,480
Speaker 3: asked everyone to leave the room, Trump mentioned something to

133
00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,360
Speaker 3: the effect of, let me teach you how little girls

134
00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,960
Speaker 3: are supposed to be. Trump unzipped his pants and put

135
00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,000
Speaker 3: her head down to his penis. Victim quote, bit this

136
00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,520
Speaker 3: shit out of it. Trump struck victim and said words

137
00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,960
Speaker 3: to the effect of get this little bitch the hell

138
00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:54,920
Speaker 3: out of here.

139
00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,960
Speaker 1: That's these are notes again, folks, this is seven years ago.

140
00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,280
Speaker 1: These interviews were done. A woman that came forward after

141
00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,640
Speaker 1: Epstein was arrested. Do I remember robes with some of

142
00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,080
Speaker 1: this They they started wrecking. I think some victims even

143
00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,440
Speaker 1: started recognizing him. They didn't even realize in some cases

144
00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,360
Speaker 1: who they had dealt with, and they started seeing his

145
00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,400
Speaker 1: face and robes. This is amazing that in twenty nineteen,

146
00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,200
Speaker 1: this was all triggered because he was arrested.

147
00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,040
Speaker 3: Look, there was I believe this from speaking with Virginia

148
00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,720
Speaker 3: and reading the excerpts from other victims. They were genuinely

149
00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,120
Speaker 3: afraid for their safety.

150
00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,240
Speaker 2: Many of these women went.

151
00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,880
Speaker 3: Into hiding, and you're right, maybe some were so young

152
00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,800
Speaker 3: that they weren't even putting two and two together and

153
00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,280
Speaker 3: then they see his face and they're triggered, flooded.

154
00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,360
Speaker 2: With oh my god, that's who that person was.

155
00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,719
Speaker 3: Or maybe they thought it was just them, that they

156
00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,600
Speaker 3: were the only ones, and then they started to see

157
00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,720
Speaker 3: the scope of it and felt compelled to add to

158
00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,640
Speaker 3: what this man reportedly did.

159
00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,280
Speaker 2: Just so many women girls.

160
00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,360
Speaker 1: In these interviews, not just about this incident, which there

161
00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,840
Speaker 1: is more about, but roads I thought this was interesting.

162
00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040
Speaker 1: She gave kind of some insights into their relationship and

163
00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,439
Speaker 1: watching them interact Epstein and Trump.

164
00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,680
Speaker 3: Yes, she went on to say to the FBI agents,

165
00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,400
Speaker 3: Victim got the feeling the relationship between Epstein and Trump

166
00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,920
Speaker 3: included a certain amount of jealousy. She thought Trump appeared

167
00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,959
Speaker 3: jealous of Epstein, but at some point they ended up

168
00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,360
Speaker 3: on level playing fields. Trump and Epstein sometimes used the

169
00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:36,760
Speaker 3: terms fresh meat, untainted, and not jaded while referring to girls.

170
00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,720
Speaker 3: Victim stated she had two additional interactions with Trump, but

171
00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,120
Speaker 3: she asked that the interview move on to a different

172
00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,640
Speaker 3: subject for the time being.

173
00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,720
Speaker 1: Gain folks, these are FBI notes from interviews they did

174
00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,040
Speaker 1: with an alleged victim, and this is what they the

175
00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,680
Speaker 1: FBI Law enforcement was jotting down in their notes. Again

176
00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,560
Speaker 1: another interesting nugget here having to do Robes with their

177
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,520
Speaker 1: relationship about blackmail here, But before we even move on

178
00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,200
Speaker 1: to that, your reaction to this, I mean, this is

179
00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,400
Speaker 1: her interpretation. I mean, the President's going to say she's

180
00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,679
Speaker 1: making every bit of this up and it never happened.

181
00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,760
Speaker 1: But Robe, that's interesting insight. Take it for what it

182
00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:15,640
Speaker 1: is it is.

183
00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,680
Speaker 3: And she even went on to say, I know you

184
00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,360
Speaker 3: didn't include this excerpt, but like the not jaded thing

185
00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,000
Speaker 3: she said, at the time, she had no idea what

186
00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,560
Speaker 3: it meant. And she remembered later looking it up to

187
00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,600
Speaker 3: even try to figure out what the word jaded meant

188
00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,840
Speaker 3: and how it would apply. And she only when she

189
00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,559
Speaker 3: became more mature and grew up did she realize what

190
00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:35,600
Speaker 3: that reference was.

191
00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,760
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting. Oh my goodness.

192
00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,280
Speaker 1: And again a testament here to just how I mean

193
00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,640
Speaker 1: they were. So this was thirteen fourteen fifteen at the time.

194
00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,080
Speaker 1: Now more about their relationship, Robe. She seemed to give

195
00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,280
Speaker 1: some insight in these interviews about Trump's some of his

196
00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,600
Speaker 1: I guess dealings behind the scene. And also Robe, you

197
00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,600
Speaker 1: pointed out the hell that some of these young ladies

198
00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,920
Speaker 1: seemed to go through and this inner. She alluded to

199
00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,280
Speaker 1: that with being followed and even blackmailed by Epstein for

200
00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:06,200
Speaker 1: a long time.

201
00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, phone calls where she said she would get, you know,

202
00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:10,840
Speaker 2: hang up static.

203
00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,960
Speaker 3: It sounded like an episode of a horror movie warning

204
00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,880
Speaker 3: her telling her to shut the f up, being run

205
00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:17,559
Speaker 3: off the road.

206
00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,760
Speaker 2: I mean, this is I was.

207
00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,920
Speaker 3: I was. Actually it was chilling to hear her tell

208
00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,440
Speaker 3: the FBI what she says she has been through for decades.

209
00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said quote stated that Epstein's blackmailing of her

210
00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000
Speaker 1: mother ruined my family. I asked the agents to keep

211
00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,200
Speaker 1: her safe, stating throughout my life his Epstein's people have

212
00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,920
Speaker 1: found me, have kept tabs on me. That sounds like

213
00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,000
Speaker 1: someone who was fearful. Again, this is twenty nineteen. Yes,

214
00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,360
Speaker 1: this is decades now, and she's still complaining.

215
00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,720
Speaker 3: Yes, Look, Virginia's Gufrey moved to Australia and went into

216
00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,440
Speaker 3: hiding for more than a decade to get away from Epstein.

217
00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,400
Speaker 3: I mean, that's legit. This is not just her story.

218
00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,120
Speaker 3: This is the story of so many others.

219
00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,920
Speaker 1: It's to think the rope twenty nineteen she's talking about,

220
00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,559
Speaker 1: He's kept tabs on me throughout my life ruined my family.

221
00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,439
Speaker 1: This is twenty nineteen and she's talking about these things.

222
00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, how long did this possibly go on? I

223
00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,160
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting, this interesting line. And she said

224
00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,360
Speaker 1: that she was confident Trump knew Epstein blackmailed people because

225
00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,240
Speaker 1: she heard the two of them talking about it. Yes,

226
00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,160
Speaker 1: and this other here rope. This is just interesting talking

227
00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,319
Speaker 1: about possibly some of Trump's business dealings were not on

228
00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:32,880
Speaker 1: the up and up.

229
00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,920
Speaker 3: Yes, she said that she knew Trump had illegal building permit.

230
00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:42,000
Speaker 3: She heard Trump talking about washing money through casinos. Number six,

231
00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,319
Speaker 3: she said, is Donald Trump's favorite number. Not sure how

232
00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,280
Speaker 3: she knew that, but she had heard it at one point.

233
00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,480
Speaker 2: So it's interesting.

234
00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,959
Speaker 3: She's claiming these girls who were around Trump and Epstein

235
00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,760
Speaker 3: actually heard them just being themselves, talking business, talking about

236
00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,319
Speaker 3: their likes, their dislikes, and just having that adjacent information

237
00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,160
Speaker 3: beyond just any alleged sexual abuse, but just to have

238
00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,560
Speaker 3: overheard all of these conversations. It is interesting that this

239
00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,440
Speaker 3: was all documented by the FBI.

240
00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, four interviews that were done. Stay here will tell

241
00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,120
Speaker 1: you how the interviews wrapped up and why possibly there

242
00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:32,440
Speaker 1: was not a fifth interview. Stay here, all right, We

243
00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,640
Speaker 1: continue here on this Friday, March sixth going through what

244
00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,880
Speaker 1: are the latest files released in the Epstein files. These

245
00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,360
Speaker 1: are the ones that were missing four interviews done with

246
00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,920
Speaker 1: a woman who alleged sexual abuse by Epstein and in

247
00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,800
Speaker 1: fact by President Trump back in the eighties when she

248
00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,920
Speaker 1: was a thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year old girl. Those files

249
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,240
Speaker 1: that were missing have now been found and details three

250
00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,640
Speaker 1: interviews and the details of those interviews that the FBI

251
00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,559
Speaker 1: took with this woman in twenty nineteen. Roads had been

252
00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,640
Speaker 1: going through some of this pretty awful stuff. I want

253
00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,520
Speaker 1: to always keep saying. The President has denied any wrongdoing.

254
00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,520
Speaker 1: The White House has certainly been defending the President said

255
00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,520
Speaker 1: he's been exonerated really by a lot of what they

256
00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,320
Speaker 1: see in these files.

257
00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,000
Speaker 3: Yes, and we should point out as of this recording,

258
00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,840
Speaker 3: the White House has not responded to this latest release

259
00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,960
Speaker 3: as of early Friday morning, but again this happened overnight

260
00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,440
Speaker 3: and the Department of Justice saying that it discovered fifteen

261
00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,040
Speaker 3: documents were incorrectly coded as duplicative. So that has been

262
00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,400
Speaker 3: the official response from the Department of Justice on x

263
00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,560
Speaker 3: And we know that the White House has said that

264
00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,280
Speaker 3: some of these files and even the ones that were

265
00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:49,960
Speaker 3: released before, may include fake falsely submitted images, documents, or videos,

266
00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,040
Speaker 3: because they're saying everything that the FBI investigated, everything that

267
00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,480
Speaker 3: was sent to the FBI was included in these files,

268
00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,040
Speaker 3: including false, unfounded claim against President Trump.

269
00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,400
Speaker 1: Didn't they have some word like they could be explosive

270
00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,840
Speaker 1: or they warned that some of the stuff?

271
00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,280
Speaker 3: Actually it says some of the documents contain untrue and

272
00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,800
Speaker 3: sensationalist claims against President Trump that were submitted to the

273
00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,400
Speaker 3: FBI right before the twenty twenty election.

274
00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:16,480
Speaker 2: I wonder if.

275
00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,040
Speaker 3: They were actually referring specifically to that interview, because if

276
00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,720
Speaker 3: this happened in the summer of twenty nineteen, yes, that

277
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,840
Speaker 3: would be leading up to the twenty twenty election, so

278
00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,480
Speaker 3: that they could actually have been pre warning about this

279
00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,880
Speaker 3: in case it got out, or in case it was released,

280
00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,000
Speaker 3: or in the event that someone would recognize that this

281
00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:35,640
Speaker 3: was missing.

282
00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,320
Speaker 1: Is that a line or a suggestion that maybe this

283
00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,760
Speaker 1: was politically motivated the timing of it at the time.

284
00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,040
Speaker 3: To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false, and

285
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,400
Speaker 3: if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would

286
00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,600
Speaker 3: have been weaponized against President Trump already.

287
00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,680
Speaker 1: So they wrapped up and this was I guesses this

288
00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,840
Speaker 1: is how they wrapped up with the lady in the interviews,

289
00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,000
Speaker 1: and nothing more came of it.

290
00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:00,760
Speaker 2: That's right.

291
00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,680
Speaker 3: This is the last bit from the FBI asked whether

292
00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,360
Speaker 3: she was comfortable detailing her contacts with Trump. Victim again

293
00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,320
Speaker 3: asked what the point would be of providing the information

294
00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,920
Speaker 3: at this point in her life when there was a

295
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,160
Speaker 3: strong possibility nothing could be done about it. The agents

296
00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,320
Speaker 3: asked to go home and take as much time as

297
00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,720
Speaker 3: she needed to think about speaking with the agents further agreed,

298
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,200
Speaker 3: and the interview ended.

299
00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,360
Speaker 1: That makes sense, and as far as we know, nothing

300
00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,000
Speaker 1: else ever.

301
00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,600
Speaker 3: Came of it, right, Because look, if you do the math,

302
00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,280
Speaker 3: if she was thirteen eighty three, she's in her mid

303
00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,760
Speaker 3: fifties right now. Obviously the statute of limitations is far over,

304
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,120
Speaker 3: and she will just be vilified. Look, if her claims

305
00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:52,520
Speaker 3: are true, even if she's saying absolutely what happened, there

306
00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,080
Speaker 3: is nothing legally that could be done about it. And really,

307
00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,320
Speaker 3: she has way more to lose than anything to gain.

308
00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,440
Speaker 3: And she's lived in fear for how long you know.

309
00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,920
Speaker 1: There there will be plenty, plenty of folks out there

310
00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,320
Speaker 1: saying she needs to come forward, she needs to be brave,

311
00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,320
Speaker 1: she needs to represent the other women. She needs to

312
00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,560
Speaker 1: do this and that I nope, this woman can do

313
00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,000
Speaker 1: what And you know, I don't know if she has

314
00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,919
Speaker 1: been Maybe she has been in that group of survivors,

315
00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,440
Speaker 1: maybe she has been interact maybe she's been in front

316
00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,399
Speaker 1: of in some of those press conferences. We just didn't

317
00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,719
Speaker 1: know who she was. Maybe we don't know, But I

318
00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,480
Speaker 1: cannot robes anyway. No one should question this woman on

319
00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,200
Speaker 1: the decision she has made for her and her safety.

320
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,240
Speaker 1: You just cannot. And this is another situation in the

321
00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,400
Speaker 1: Epstein files where something's there, we don't We get no finality,

322
00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,360
Speaker 1: we get no answers, we get no truth. Necessarily, it's

323
00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,560
Speaker 1: just something else in there. And one side said it happened,

324
00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,520
Speaker 1: on other sides that it didn't.

325
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,280
Speaker 3: I know, the Trump allegations and the Trump narrative is

326
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:58,359
Speaker 3: going to be obviously the big incendiary headline and certainly

327
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,840
Speaker 3: the thing that brings people to read these excerpts. But

328
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,720
Speaker 3: I think actually just hearing about her detailing what happened

329
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,000
Speaker 3: to her in the years afterward, is just as chilling

330
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,719
Speaker 3: and fascinating and eye opening as to perhaps how Jeffrey

331
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,480
Speaker 3: Epstein may have been able to stay in his position

332
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,639
Speaker 3: of power and keep all of these women quiet with

333
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,320
Speaker 3: the threats and the blackmailing. It's really eye opening to

334
00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,160
Speaker 3: hear her version of what she says happened to her.

335
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,920
Speaker 3: But of course we will always keep our eye on

336
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,359
Speaker 3: this constantly developing situation with the Epstein investigation.

337
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,520
Speaker 2: We appreciate you as always for listening to us I

338
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,080
Speaker 2: Ami Roboch alongside t. J. Holmes. We'll talk to you

339
00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,040
Speaker 2: very soon.