1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM paranormal 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: podcast network. This is the place to be if you're 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: ready for the best podcasts of the paranormal, curious. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: And sometimes unexplained. Now listen to this. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 12 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: On each episodpisode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 15 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Years ago, 16 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: I was a full time skeptic, and even worse than that, 17 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 3: I was rather mean when people believed in the afterlife. 18 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: I thought, and I really did think, that there was 19 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: an information out there for reasons to believe. However, it 20 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: was just me who didn't do the research. There are 21 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: plenty of people, even very affluent people with tons of 22 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: years of great credentials, to show there is an afterlife. Today, 23 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: I want to feature one individual who is a doctor. 24 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: Karen Wyatt, she hosts the End of Life University podcast, 25 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: has been a hospice doctor over twenty five years, and 26 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: she's one powerful woman. She's the author of several books, 27 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: including The Journey from Ego to Soul, How to Transform 28 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: Your Life when Everything Falls Apart, and Seven Lessons for 29 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: Living from the Dying. You can find out more about 30 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: her at karenwyat MD dot com. Also about the End 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: of Life University at eoluniversity dot com. She also has 32 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: an amazing YouTube channel with tons of videos. Just search 33 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: End of Life University. Welcome doctor Karen. 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: Thank you, Sandra. It's such a pleasure to be here 35 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 4: talking with you. 36 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: Oh, it's a pleasure talking to you too. You have 37 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: really done some extraordinary things. Can you tell us about 38 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: yourself and some of your history? 39 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 4: Oh well, thank you. Well, I can tell you my 40 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: entire life story because as I see looking back at it, 41 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 4: I see how all the pieces fit together of various 42 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: times in my life But I'll start when I was 43 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: a young doctor trained in family medicine to just do 44 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: a general practice and take care of patients of all ages. 45 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: Very excited and happy and just really getting started as 46 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 4: a young doctor. And there was a sudden tragedy in 47 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 4: my life when my father died by suicide, and as 48 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 4: you can imagine, it was absolutely devastating to me, sure 49 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: to have him die in that way, to have him 50 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 4: really make that choice of how and when to end 51 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 4: his own life, but particularly because I felt extremely guilty 52 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 4: as a doctor. I'd had training in behavioral medicine, and 53 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: I had helped a lot of patients who were suicidal 54 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: and depressed, and thought that I couldn't help my own father, 55 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: who was one of the people I loved the most 56 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 4: in the world, just absolutely tore me apart, and I 57 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 4: really started to question, like, am I doing the right thing? 58 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: Should I even be a doctor? I must be terrible 59 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 4: at it. I couldn't help my dad. So I suffered 60 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: with a lot of guilt and reef and just confusion 61 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: about why am I here and what am I doing? 62 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 4: And why did all of this happen? And it took 63 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 4: me about three years of being really lost in all 64 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 4: those negative emotions before I one day I had this 65 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: inspiration in my head to call hospice. And at that 66 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 4: time I wasn't even sure what hospice did or what 67 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 4: it was about, but I called to see if they 68 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 4: could use a volunteer who happened to be a doctor. 69 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: And as it turned out, the director that I spoke 70 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: to that day said, I don't know why you called us, 71 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 4: but thirty minutes ago our medical director resigned and we 72 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 4: are not able to keep our doors open if we 73 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: don't have a doctor working with us. And then you 74 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 4: show up. And so it's like in that moment, I 75 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: became a volunteer for that hospice, and it was like 76 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 4: such a divine spark in a way, and it turned 77 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: out to be exactly what I needed to help me 78 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 4: through my grief and through the process by just kind 79 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: of diving in to death and dying grief of the 80 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: families and the patients that I was caring for, and 81 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 4: I healed my grief. I learned so much about the 82 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 4: spiritual journey of life and the end of life and 83 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 4: facing death and becoming a full time hospice doctor, and 84 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: I just I fell in love with the work, and 85 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 4: it helped me become the person I was meant to be. 86 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 4: And so I'm no longer practicing medicine. I retired so 87 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 4: that I could start writing books and speaking and doing 88 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 4: a podcast because I felt this need to help educate 89 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: people beyond one on one work with patients individually. So 90 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 4: that's how I got here to where I am today. 91 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing. I just if I had a hat, I'd 92 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: be taking it off to you right now for really 93 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: your commitment to people. Could you share with us some 94 00:05:54,240 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: of those stories about experiences people had before passing. Oh yeah, 95 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: I saw many patients. How I would describe it, or 96 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: how it appeared to me, was that the physical body 97 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: was beginning to dissolve the way in a sense, as 98 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: if it was becoming less and less solid and material 99 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: in a way, and the soul was becoming predominant for 100 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 3: those patients who were very close to death. 101 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: And when they reached that point, so many of the 102 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: patients would talk about seeing their loved ones who were 103 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 4: in the room, who came and were waiting for them, 104 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: and they were very, very comforted. Some of them talked 105 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 4: with their loved ones and would describe conversations they had had. 106 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: Others just talked about seeing a beautiful light, seeing and 107 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: feeling love. And for those patients who had those experiences, 108 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: their fear seemed to completely disappear, and they had this 109 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: beautiful aura of light about them and seemed to be 110 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: completely at peace as they were completing this physical journey 111 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: here on earth. And it was so reassuring to sit 112 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: with them and listen to them talk and tell their stories, 113 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 4: and it validated what I had understood that there's something 114 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 4: more here than this physical existence, and so all of 115 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 4: that came together for me as well by having this 116 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 4: opportunity to sit with them. 117 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: There's so many people, and I used to be one 118 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: of them that used to think, oh, the seeing the 119 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 3: light is just a natural part of their brain shutting down. 120 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: You know. 121 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: You hear those people that say that, I'm sure with 122 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: the near death experiences and things, this is just coming from. 123 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: If I was skeptical listening to this, how would you 124 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: know it was their loved ones or what comforts you 125 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: knowing that the afterlife is real? 126 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 4: I guess I can't say for any individual person that 127 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: I would know that it was their loved ones. But 128 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: there were some really interesting occur insanis And in one case, 129 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 4: our patient was a man with Alzheimer's who, in the 130 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: very end stages of Alzheimer's, had not spoken for a year. 131 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: He had not been capable of speech for one year, 132 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 4: so he had not not spoken to anyone or spoken 133 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: to his wife at all, and we were caring for 134 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 4: him in the very last days of his life. When 135 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: I came to visit one day, his wife was so 136 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: excited and she said, something happened last night. I have 137 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 4: to tell you about it. And she said, John was 138 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 4: asleep in his room and I was in the next room, 139 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 4: and in the middle of the night, I heard a 140 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 4: voice talking. And she said, I got up and went 141 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: into John's room thout, thinking did someone come in in 142 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 4: the middle of the night, And she said it was 143 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: John And he was speaking, she said, and it was 144 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: his voice. It was him. He was totally articulate and 145 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 4: totally lucid and speaking. And he was taught to his 146 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 4: brother who had died several years before, and he said 147 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 4: they were having a conversation back and forth. In that case, 148 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: it's a case where we had observed medically deterioration and 149 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: decline in this patient's brain functioning and yet he was 150 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 4: still able to speak when he was in this state 151 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: as he was very close to death. And so she 152 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 4: knew from his conversation it was his brother he was 153 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: talking to, calling him by name, describe, they were talking 154 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 4: about past experiences they had had. He was laughing and reminiscing, 155 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: and so so hearing that story and hearing her say, 156 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: I know that his brother was here. I know his 157 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: brothers waiting for him. That is congruent with what I 158 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 4: believe and what I've experienced in my life, and so 159 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 4: I can say it's based not just on a belief, 160 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 4: but on some of my own experiences with having dreams 161 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: and visions of people that I love and care about 162 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: after they died. 163 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: Oh that's really nice. I think it's good to be 164 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: a skeptic because it gets us on this journey of 165 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: looking for evidence. No one can convince me otherwise, and 166 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: I'd never pushed this on people. It really is the journey, 167 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: and there's so much to uncover. One of my favorite stories, 168 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: I think it was in a Martha Atkins ted talk, 169 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: but she says there was a young boy who was 170 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: in hospice and he kept looking at the corner, talking 171 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: to what his family thought were three imaginary friends, and 172 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: it was just before he passed, and the names that 173 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: he gave were the names of the last three boys 174 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: that were in that room. And wow, yeah, those kind 175 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: of things, you know, come on, they're there, We're all 176 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: greeted and carried over. 177 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. I had always been a very I 178 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 4: was very spiritual, even as a child, and I remembered, 179 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 4: you know, having discussions with my mom when I it 180 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 4: was in elementary school, and I was trying to describe 181 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: to her that God is so much bigger than the 182 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: God that she was trying to talk to me about 183 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 4: that sounded like just a human being, a powerful human, 184 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 4: that there was something else like God. No, no, God 185 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: is so much is bigger than that, like you have 186 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: to think bigger. And I never understood, like how was 187 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: it that I How did I know that? Where did 188 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 4: that come from? But then I remembered when I was five, 189 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 4: I had some sort of health incident happened, and apparently 190 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: my heart stopped and my dad did CPR and the 191 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 4: paramedics were called. And so I was talking to actually 192 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: to someone from Ions who said, you probably had a 193 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 4: near death experience when you were five. I don't remember that, 194 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 4: and also I would never claim that without having a 195 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: memory of it. But then all of a sudden, it 196 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 4: started to make the pieces fall in place, like why 197 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: did I seem to have this knowledge that was beyond 198 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 4: my years as a child? And then why is it 199 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 4: that I feel like I've just always known that there's 200 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: something else there. I've always known that my whole life. 201 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 4: I've never had to go through a process of trying 202 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 4: to believe in it or questioning it, that it was 203 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: part of me, part of the knowledge that I came 204 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: here with, or maybe that I maybe I encountered it 205 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 4: when I was five, I don't know. 206 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: You know how great the world would be if kids 207 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: got that message at the age of five, and how 208 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: we would all grow up and what a different world 209 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: it would be. 210 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really true. I can say that it made 211 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 4: a huge difference for me all through my life see 212 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: things from a different perspective, being able to understand like, oh, well, 213 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: this isn't this isn't all there is, So this isn't 214 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 4: really so bad what we're going through right now. 215 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: Oh, I agree, Karen. It's time for us to take 216 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: our first break, and when we come back, let's find 217 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: out a little bit about Seven Lessons for the Living 218 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: from the Dying and your end of life University. 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Karen, 238 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: you've experienced some major things early in your life up 239 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: till now, would you agree that all of those earlier 240 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 3: things were necessary for you to be who you are 241 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: today and doing what you're doing. 242 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so fascinating. And never when I was going 243 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: through that terrible, terrible pain of my dad's death at 244 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: that point, I would not have thought that there would 245 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: be a day like this when I could look back, 246 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: because in the midst of it, it's so hard, it's 247 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 4: so hard to see things fitting together. And I just remember, 248 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 4: you know, day after day, kind of floundering in all 249 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: of it. And yet I see the value in a 250 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 4: way of going through that time of suffering, going through 251 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: the pain of it, in order to come out on 252 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 4: the other side, and to have learned so much in 253 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: the process. 254 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: Yes, I always think of that pine cone. Can't remember 255 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: what kind it is that needs to be subjected to 256 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: a fire, severe heat before it can start to grow. 257 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: And I always think of us and the deep grief 258 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: and some of the worst challenges of life, and I 259 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: just imagine from that there is this little blossom or 260 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: this little thing starting to grow, our spirituality that gets 261 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: us in search of the bigger questions. And I don't 262 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: know if we will always have it if we don't 263 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: have something that will cause our earth to shake, so 264 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: to speak, or that little growth to start. 265 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 4: It's so true the years like, I love that story too. 266 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: I talk about that all the time, that the seed 267 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: coverings of the pine code don't open unless they're exposed 268 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: to high heat, so the new seedlings can't grow without 269 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 4: the fire. Over the years, as I've done my podcast 270 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: and interviewed hundreds of people about their journeys and what 271 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 4: led them to do the work they're doing, I hear 272 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 4: amazing stories, but they're always along the same lines. Everyone 273 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 4: has gone through some kind of suffering and pain in 274 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 4: order to get where they are today, and so I 275 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 4: do believe it now. It gives me so much hope. 276 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: And every time I find myself in a place of 277 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 4: my own suffering or returning to grief again, now I 278 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 4: have that overwriting knowledge that I can't see where I'm 279 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: headed now, but I know that there will be something 280 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 4: on the other side. 281 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: Of this, definitely. Karen, how long have you practiced medicine? 282 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 4: I practice as a doctor for twenty five years, and 283 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 4: I did hospice off and on all throughout time. Once 284 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 4: I got started, I loved it so much, And the 285 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 4: only thing that shifted is that we moved to a 286 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 4: new community that didn't have a hospice where I could 287 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: work full time anymore. So I went back to my 288 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 4: family practice and then did hospice on the side as 289 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 4: a volunteer. But I stayed involved in hospice all throughout 290 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 4: those years because I loved the work so much. It 291 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 4: was so meaningful. 292 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: I know many people that have volunteered with hospice and 293 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: they don't have that fear of dying. I know it 294 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: may not be an easy thing to do, because you know, 295 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: you fall in love with people and they don't last, 296 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: I guess to say physically anyways, but what a beautiful 297 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: thing to be there for the people and their families, 298 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: and as a hospice is nothing to be afraid of. 299 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: I think when you hear the word hospice, you think, Okay, 300 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 3: that's the end. Can you just speak a little bit 301 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: about what hospice is, because I don't know, honestly, if 302 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 3: everybody knows how cool it is for a resource for people. 303 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm I'm sure you're correct. A lot of 304 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 4: people don't know and they may have only heard of 305 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 4: it vaguely, but hospice is it's kind of a system 306 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 4: for caring for people at the end of life, and 307 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: it's a benefit that's available to people through medicare or 308 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 4: insurance that's for the last six months of their life. 309 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 4: In general, patients need to be approaching the end of life, 310 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: and the care is provided by a team of providers. 311 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 4: So there is a doctor, but there's a nurse, a 312 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 4: social worker, and a chaplain and a volunteer. So every 313 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 4: patient gets assigned to this entire team of people who 314 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 4: will make visits. Most hospice care is provided in the 315 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 4: patient's home and so provided that they have a caregiver 316 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 4: who can be with them at home and help provide 317 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 4: the care. There are in patient units where hospice can 318 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 4: be provided twenty four to seven if the patient needs 319 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 4: that professional care around the clock, and patients can receive 320 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 4: care wherever they happen to live, so if they're in 321 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: an assisted living facility or a long term care facility, 322 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 4: they can get visits from the hospice team there also, 323 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 4: So this team of people has been specially trained to 324 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: work with people who are dying. And so what's different 325 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 4: about it is that there's no longer a focus on 326 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 4: curing a disease or a focus on how can we 327 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 4: treat what's happening to you to make it better. The 328 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 4: focus becomes on how can we help you live as 329 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 4: fully as possible with the time that you have left, 330 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 4: And that's the really interesting part. The whole staff is 331 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 4: committed to helping people be comfortable physically but also emotionally 332 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 4: and spiritually, and helping families come together, helping them all 333 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 4: along this journey to have the best experience they possibly can, 334 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 4: and making sure that no one feels alone as going 335 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 4: through it, so the family can be trained in how 336 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: to care for their loved one at home, how to 337 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: be with their loved one. The hospice staff, the social 338 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 4: worker and chaplain are really good at helping families come 339 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 4: together who may have conflicts between them. You know, they 340 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 4: can help them work through that so that they can 341 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 4: all be together with love and compassion as their loved 342 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 4: one is facing the last days. It's really amazing and 343 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: remarkable care, and in my opinion, it some of the 344 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: best medical care that our system offers to people because 345 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 4: of that team approach, and really all types of medical 346 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 4: care should actually be given in the same way, I 347 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 4: think with the same a team of people who just 348 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: care about you as a whole person. 349 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: My dad spent a little time in hospice trying to 350 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: regulate some of his medications and really to make people 351 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: comfortable that are experiencing pain. Correct. 352 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 4: Yes, that's the majority of our training providers is in 353 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: how to help with physical comfort, and so we learn 354 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 4: a lot about various medications that are available, but how 355 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 4: to use medications, sometimes in a different way. We combine 356 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 4: them in certain ways to help with physical comfort and 357 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 4: to alleviate other symptoms. And so the average doctor doesn't 358 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 4: really get the same knowledge through their training or even 359 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 4: in the work they do with patients. When they treat pain, 360 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: they write a prescription and hand it to the patient. 361 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: But we're there with them every day, and we have 362 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 4: lots of creative ideas for things we can add or 363 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: change in order to help with pain. So that's probably 364 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 4: the most one of the most important parts of our 365 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 4: training is how to make sure patients are not in pain. Now, 366 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 4: I will say not probably not every hospice is as 367 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 4: good as other hospices, because you know, it all depends 368 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 4: on how much training the staff has had. But that's 369 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 4: the goal will always is to provide that comfort and 370 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: to get the medications t traded properly so that the 371 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 4: patient doesn't have to go through pain. 372 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: Great. I know mankind's biggest fear is dying. I do, 373 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: and I think once we handle that, we don't die. 374 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: And it's really great that there are places like hospice. 375 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 3: And I had no idea that most hospice is provided 376 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: in the home. Oh wow, you know, I had no idea, 377 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: So thank you for sharing that about hospice. 378 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 4: You're welcome. 379 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind we talk about what you're up to now, 380 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 3: because I didn't know about End of Life University and 381 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: your podcast. 382 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 4: And while I was doing the hospice work, I kept 383 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 4: I mean, it was an amazing privilege to sit with 384 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 4: patients at the bedside and just listen to their stories 385 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 4: and listening to them tell me what they were learning 386 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 4: as they were looking back on life from the very 387 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 4: end of life here on planet Earth. And it became 388 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: clear to me that each one of them was having 389 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 4: some sort of a spiritual experience and spiritual learning that 390 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: was happening at the end of life. And I got 391 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 4: to be the students, just sitting and listening and taking 392 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 4: all of that in what is it like to be 393 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: at this time in your life when you know you 394 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 4: only have a few weeks left to be here? Over time, 395 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: I began to gather their stories because they were so powerful, 396 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 4: and I would journal every day and write down some 397 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 4: of the stories patients had told me. And one day 398 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 4: a patient said to me, you know, I have just 399 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: learned the most profound lessons of my entire life. And 400 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 4: he said, what makes me sad is that I'll only 401 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: be here a short while longer, and I won't be 402 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 4: able to share this knowledge and this wisdom with other people. 403 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: And he said to me, do you tell my story? 404 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 4: Would you teach other people what I have learned? And 405 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 4: I made a promise to him that day that I would, 406 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 4: And so I knew in that moment, someday I will 407 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 4: write about this. Someday I'll write a book or something. 408 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 4: I'll write these stories, and I'll be the voice for 409 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 4: my patients who didn't have the opportunity to teach other 410 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 4: people what they were learning. I knew all along at 411 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 4: some point I would write a book, and I tried 412 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 4: it at various times while I was still working, and 413 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: wrote a few you know, a few pages here, a 414 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 4: chapter there. All of it I thought was terrible. You know, 415 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: I was really frustrated with it not getting it done. 416 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 4: And finally, ten years ago I left medical practice in 417 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 4: order to write that book. I felt like, this book 418 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 4: is really important. I have to get it written. So 419 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 4: I left medical practice so I could full time work 420 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: on writing. So the original version of the book came 421 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: out ten years ago after I finished writing the first 422 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 4: version of it, and then it kind of sat there 423 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 4: and I sold some but didn't seem to get out 424 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 4: in the world the way I wanted it to. So 425 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 4: at that point I decided maybe I needed to start 426 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 4: doing something more than just writing. And then I started 427 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: doing interviews with people That became my podcast, End of 428 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 4: Life University. So I thought, I want to find a 429 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 4: way to teach people about death and dying in hospice 430 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 4: and all these issues. So I started the podcast and 431 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 4: lo and Behold. A year and a half ago, a publisher, 432 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 4: Watkins Publishing from the UK, came to me and said, 433 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 4: we would like to re release your book. Would you 434 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: like to revise it and update it? And so I 435 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 4: created a new version of the book and then it 436 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 4: got republished with a publisher that could actually help me 437 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 4: get it into the world. And so that's the latest version. 438 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 4: That's really great. I'd like to talk to you about 439 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: some of these lessons when we come back from the break. 440 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: Of course, you're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 441 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 442 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. 443 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 6: There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming right up. 444 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 5: We're happy to let you know that our Coast to 445 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 5: Coast AM official YouTube channel has now reached three hundred 446 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 5: thousand subscribers. 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Karen, you had mentioned 455 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: these great stories that you didn't want to die when 456 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 3: the people did, especially one gentleman that wanted his story told. 457 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 3: Can we honor him and them today by sharing the stories. 458 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: Yes, well, he was a very interesting patient because he 459 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 4: had spent his life he was in finance, and he 460 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: was very, very successful financially. He had a huge home, 461 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 4: several cars, lots and lots of material possessions. And when 462 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 4: I came to visit him the first time, he walked 463 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 4: me around as house. He showed me everything that he owned. 464 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 4: But he was very sad, and we sat down to 465 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 4: talk about it, and he said, I've spent my entire 466 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: life focusing on how to be rich and how to 467 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 4: have as much wealth as I possibly could. And he said, 468 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 4: but I sacrificed love in order to do that. He 469 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 4: told me he'd been married, he had a son, but 470 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 4: he'd been estranged from them for years, and he said, 471 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 4: I gave up love to have this. And he said, 472 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 4: none of this means anything to me. None of this 473 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 4: is important at all. And he said, I don't care 474 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 4: about any of the wealth I have. I don't care 475 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 4: about any of the work that I've done. None of 476 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 4: that is important. And he said, I realize now that 477 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 4: love is the only thing that really matters in life. 478 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 4: And I didn't pursue it when I had the chance 479 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 4: ultimately helped him get in touch with his son who 480 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: came to visit, so he was able to have an 481 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: experience of the love that he felt he had given 482 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 4: up on before he was able to reclaim that for himself. 483 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 4: But it was powerful for me to see that someone 484 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 4: who had had a value of materialistic value in life, 485 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: which is true of so much of our society. People 486 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 4: put their possessions and their wealth ahead of a lot 487 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 4: of other things in life. To hear him say at 488 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 4: this point, I don't care about any of this. I 489 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 4: don't want it at all. It's meaningless. And so he 490 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 4: gave me the term what really matters When he said that, 491 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 4: I learned what really matters, and also the lesson of love, 492 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 4: that love is how we should be spending our time 493 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 4: and energy cultivating more love. Oh can you tell us 494 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: this gentleman's first name? Well, I referred to him as Ted, 495 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: so he's Ted. 496 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 3: Ted book for everyone listening, including myself. I just think 497 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: that's a really perfect thing to hear, because how many 498 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: of us are living on that hamster wheel. We just 499 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: keep living in the future and working hard, and let's 500 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: just raise a glass, whether it's a glass of tea 501 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: or a glass of wine or whatever that is to 502 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: our friend Ted, and thank you Ted. Your message lives on. 503 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: Well where to next, Karen? We have more time and 504 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: I love your stories, and where do we go now? 505 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 4: I thought a story popped into my mind which tells 506 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 4: me I should probably share it. I think to my 507 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 4: mind a moment ago of a friend of mine died 508 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 4: around five years ago after seven years of dealing with 509 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 4: breast cancer, and so I got to be part of 510 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 4: her journey, partly involved in hospice, but mostly as just 511 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 4: her friend and listening to her. And she read my 512 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 4: book early on in her illness, and so she began 513 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: right away to focus on these lessons. And she said, 514 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 4: I don't know if I will live or die. I 515 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 4: don't know what's going to happen, what the outcome will be. 516 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 4: But she said, it's so clear to me that I 517 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 4: just need to focus on spiritual growth and that's the 518 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 4: perfect thing. And no matter what the outcome is, she said, 519 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 4: I'm moving toward the place that I need to be anyway, 520 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 4: So she said, I'm using this illness as a way 521 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 4: to grow. And she shared the book with her husband 522 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 4: and her two children, and they talked about it all 523 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 4: the time, talked about all the lessons about loves and 524 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: how you know what that meant to them and their 525 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: lives together, and worked through so many issues, and this 526 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 4: all took place over seven years of time. Eventually, she 527 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 4: had a recurrence of her cancer and the doctor let 528 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 4: her know that all of the treatments they had tried 529 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 4: at that point they were trying were not working. And 530 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 4: she was totally accepting of that because she had allowed 531 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 4: for that possible ability from the very beginning, like I 532 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 4: don't know what will happen, I don't know what will come, 533 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 4: and so she'd stayed in this open place of really 534 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 4: surrendering and just living life as fully as she could 535 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 4: in every moment. So when when she ended up being 536 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 4: admitted to hospice, she was totally accepting of that's okay, 537 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 4: because that's just what's next. The part that I had 538 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 4: a vision of that I really wanted to share was 539 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 4: about two days before she died, I came to visit 540 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 4: her and it was the last time I saw her, 541 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: and she was absolutely glowing with light. That's this is 542 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 4: something I just want to share, how beautiful it is 543 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 4: like someone who like just her soul was fully visible, 544 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 4: she was glowing. She could only whisper at that time, 545 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 4: and she whispered to me, I'm not sad and I'm 546 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 4: not afraid. And then she looked at me and she said, 547 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 4: is that okay? And I said, that's beautiful. It's beautiful. 548 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 4: And she said, I know that I'm leaving my husband 549 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 4: and children, and she said, but I just know that 550 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 4: somehow they will be fine. And I know that this 551 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 4: is this is what's meant to be and what's meant 552 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 4: to happen. It was phenomenal for me to see my 553 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 4: friend and to know that she met her death just 554 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 4: full of light and full of love. And it was 555 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 4: a totally beautiful and transformative experience for her family. Even 556 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 4: though they were grieving and they felt the loss of 557 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 4: her beautiful presence, something amazing happened during all of those 558 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 4: last months of her life. 559 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 3: That's really inspiring to know that it is possible to 560 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: be like that. I think most of us, it's the 561 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 3: great unknown. Nobody wants to die. I think about it 562 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: sometimes and I'm pretty tough, but then I think, you know, 563 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 3: there's been how many people have walked this earth before us, 564 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 3: and they've handled it right, Yeah, they got through it, 565 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 3: you know, and now everything that we know. There's a 566 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 3: great quote and I don't know where it came from, 567 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: but it's our life is but a thread in the 568 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 3: fabric of our soul. You know, there's such a much 569 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: bigger picture to it. All I want to ask you, too, 570 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: is how do you think? Well, first of all, I 571 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 3: want to make sure we talk about end of life 572 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 3: University because I was looking around the website and I thought, 573 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: what if people really could embrace death in all the 574 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 3: little particles that deal with it prior to and things 575 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 3: that are going to happen and all that, Like, what 576 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 3: if we got that all settled in our mind? Now, 577 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 3: how would we live life? 578 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly why I wanted to write this book. 579 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 4: And I think for me, that's a question I asked myself, 580 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 4: are these lessons I'm seeing my patience experience? Is that 581 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 4: something you can only learn when you are on your death? 582 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 4: Is that something that you only really get it when 583 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 4: you have a few days left to live? Or is 584 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 4: it possible to learn that earlier in life? And Ted 585 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 4: has said to me, if I had known this twenty 586 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 4: years ago, it would have changed everything about how I live, 587 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 4: And so that made me decide I want to change 588 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 4: everything about how I live right now. And I don't 589 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 4: have a terminal diagnosis, so I don't know how much 590 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 4: time I have, but I want to do this work 591 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 4: right now. So I became kind of the laboratory I 592 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 4: guess for my question, can I learn these lessons? Can 593 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 4: I learn can I practice forgiveness now? Can I focus 594 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 4: on being in the present moment now in my life? 595 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 4: Does that work? And so that really became the intention 596 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 4: for all of my life is how can I learn 597 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 4: these lessons now and what does it change? What I 598 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 4: discovered for myself is that suddenly I began to view 599 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 4: every moment of life as precious, every moment that I'm here, 600 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 4: and I had a strong desire to not waste my time, 601 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 4: to especially not waste my time with a lot of 602 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 4: negative emotions. I don't want to waste my time being 603 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 4: angry or upset about things. If I could quickly get 604 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 4: myself back to a place of joy and love and grace. 605 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 4: I wanted to get myself out of anger and not 606 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 4: spend time there if I didn't have to. So for me, 607 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 4: that became like that manifested itself over all these years 608 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 4: of time, now that I've been working on writing a 609 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 4: book and putting it out in the world, is seeing 610 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 4: my own life change, and so that reinforced for me 611 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 4: the importance of putting these lessons into the book and 612 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 4: bringing it to the world and encouraging people like my 613 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 4: friend Mary lou did, encouraging people if you are willing 614 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 4: to look at it and face the fact that you'll 615 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 4: die one day, it could change everything, and it could 616 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 4: bring so much more meaning and fulfillment into your life 617 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 4: right now if you actually commit to it and do 618 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 4: the work. 619 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 3: Really great. You know, I thought one day, and this 620 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 3: might sound a little bit morbid, but you know how 621 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 3: we have all these nice meditation things and healing and 622 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 3: visual imagery and the journeys. I thought, what if we 623 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 3: had one that we are approaching death and looking back 624 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 3: on life, and we shut our eyes for the final 625 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 3: time and we open them and we are crossing a 626 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 3: finish line and our loved ones are there and our 627 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 3: pets are there, and we're our perfect age. But during it, 628 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 3: Karen I was thinking, when we look back, did we 629 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 3: do what we wanted to do? Did we say what 630 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 3: we wanted to say? Did we focus on love and 631 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 3: forgiveness and and so I have not put that meditation together, 632 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 3: but I just thought, you know, if we could to 633 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 3: embrace that, now, I think we get a heck of 634 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 3: a lot of things done. Relationships would be healed. 635 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 4: Oh, you're so right. I totally believe that. And as 636 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 4: in addition to the story of my friend Mary Lou, 637 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 4: her daughter, as we were going through this process and 638 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 4: she's approaching the end of life, her daughter was engaged 639 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 4: to be married in Hawaii, and Mary Lou said, my 640 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 4: goal is I have to make it to her wedding. 641 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 4: I need to be able to go to Hawaii and 642 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 4: be there for her wedding. And so we worked together 643 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 4: on this goal for her to be at the wedding 644 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 4: and be there to see her daughter Mary before she died. 645 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 4: That was the one thing that she really wanted to accomplish. 646 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 4: But two weeks before the wedding, Mary Lou got very sick. 647 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 4: She took a turn for the worse, and it was 648 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 4: obvious that she wasn't strong enough to handle a flight 649 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 4: that far away, all the way to Hawaii, you know, 650 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 4: and go through the stress of the weddings. 651 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 3: Karen, let's conte you the story when we get back 652 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 3: from the break. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 653 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 654 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, there's more Shades of the Afterlife coming 655 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: right The Coast to Coast AM mobile app is here 656 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: and waiting for you right now. And with the app, 657 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: you can hear classic shows from the past seven years, 658 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: listen to the current live show, and get access to 659 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: the artbel vault where you can listen to uninterrupted audio. 660 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: Head on over to the Coast to Coast am dot 661 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: com website. We have a handy video guide to help 662 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: you get the most out of your mobile app usage. 663 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: All the info is waiting for you now at Coast 664 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: Tocoast am dot com. That's Coast to Cooast AM dot com. 665 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, it's the Wizard Weird Joshua pe Warren and 666 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 2: now here's more Shades of the Afterlife. 667 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain 668 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 3: and with me is doctor Karen Wyatt, author of Seven 669 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 3: Lessons for the Living from the Dying. Karen, you are 670 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 3: just talking about your good friend Mary Lou who had cancer. 671 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 3: Was meant to fly to her daughter's wedding and took 672 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 3: a turn for the worse, and you said she called her. 673 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 4: So she called her daughter and said I just can't 674 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 4: do it, and Mary Lou was crushed because it had 675 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 4: been such a plan for her. Well, two days later, 676 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 4: her daughter and future son in law showed up. They 677 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 4: flew here to be with their mom. And I went 678 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 4: to visit and I said, when are you going back 679 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 4: to get ready for the wedding And she said, very 680 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 4: calmly and just with a huge smile on her face. Oh, 681 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 4: I canceled the wedding. And I said, what, Like, what 682 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 4: bride could cancel a wedding two weeks before the wedding 683 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,240 Speaker 4: takes place, And she said, well, of course I canceled 684 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 4: the wedding. Being with my mom is what really matters, 685 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 4: she said, A wedding that could happen anytime, but being 686 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 4: with my mom is what's important to me. So I'm 687 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 4: here and I'm staying here and we're not leaving. We're 688 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,919 Speaker 4: staying here to be with her and I out care 689 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 4: for her. And I was blown away, blown away after 690 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 4: all the bridezilla stories I've heard of bride's who would 691 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 4: to cancel a wedding that you've been planning for a 692 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 4: year was huge, and yet for her it was very 693 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 4: small compared to being here and showing love for her 694 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 4: mom and taking care of her. And in the end, 695 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 4: this daughter and her fiance got married on the deck 696 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 4: of her parents' house. Her brother came to the wedding, 697 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 4: and they had a friend officiate the ceremony. They played 698 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 4: music on a CD player, they picked wildflowers, they baked 699 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 4: a cake together, and Mary Lou got to be at 700 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 4: the wedding. In the end, it was just a completely 701 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 4: different wedding than they had imagined. So like that again 702 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 4: was a powerful lesson to me that wow, not only 703 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 4: was Mary Lou working on learning what matters in life, 704 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 4: but she taught her children so much so that her 705 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 4: daughter just willingly let go of all of her plans 706 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,359 Speaker 4: and completely reshaped her wedding. So wow, this family is 707 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 4: so many powerful stories that came from them, and how 708 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 4: beautiful their relationship was and how they cared for one 709 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 4: another at the end of Mary Lou's life. 710 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 3: That's beautiful. Not everybody is lucky enough to have their 711 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 3: parents still alive, but for those of us that do, 712 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 3: love the heck out of them. They gave us so 713 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 3: much for us to be here, and it's just a 714 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,840 Speaker 3: really great, great, great story. And for those who parents 715 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 3: are not walking along as a human, they can still 716 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 3: hear you, they're still with you, they're still cheering you on, 717 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 3: So that's really nice. Tell us a little bit about 718 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 3: your website, Well. 719 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 4: It's the End of Life University. It accompanies my podcasts, 720 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 4: so the podcast episodes are available through there a link. 721 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 4: I also post blogs there and I have had the 722 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 4: desire of just providing as much education as possible for people. 723 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 4: So every time I hear questions that come up or 724 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 4: what people are looking for, I try to find a 725 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 4: way to provide that to them, whether someone I interview 726 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 4: for my podcast or a blog that I write. And 727 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 4: I've created a few courses. One is on filling out 728 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 4: advanced directives to help people with that, and another course 729 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 4: is actually how to teach a class on death and 730 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 4: dying because I met lots of people who said, I've 731 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 4: had experiences too, and I want to teach other people 732 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 4: in my community, but I don't know how to put 733 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 4: a class together. So I made a course to help 734 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 4: would be teachers learn how to create their own class 735 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 4: because I really feel we need a lot more education 736 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,919 Speaker 4: about end of life issues. And by helping people who 737 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 4: want to teach learn how to just do the nuts 738 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 4: and bolts of teaching online or in person that can 739 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 4: help them, I can help get more classes out there 740 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 4: in the world. 741 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 3: This is so important and I am going to be 742 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 3: your champion and share you as much as I can 743 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 3: in this interview because it's so important. It's something we 744 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 3: don't hear about too much. You know, we're concentrating on 745 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 3: so many things busy in life life. Yes, there's people 746 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 3: that want to learn about the afterlife. We talk about 747 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 3: living life fully, but not much about end of life. 748 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, And isn't it interesting? I mean, given that it's 749 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 4: the one thing that we share all going to do 750 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 4: every person, that how little we really talk about it. 751 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 4: And it makes me sad that we've lost that aspect 752 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 4: in our society because at least I believe that a 753 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 4: little more than one hundred years ago, people must have 754 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 4: talked about it more because most people died at home then, 755 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 4: and they receive medical care at home, and funerals were 756 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,240 Speaker 4: held at home also, And so it feels like we've 757 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 4: distanced ourselves from all of that so much, and it's 758 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 4: really just a natural part of this physical life, even 759 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 4: though we're also having a spiritual life. We chose to 760 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 4: come here and be in physical bodies, So this is 761 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 4: what happens to physical bodies. It's a natural process us. 762 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 4: And it feels sad to me that most people don't 763 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 4: get as much out of it as they could. They 764 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 4: experience so much fear, and they tend to deny it 765 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 4: and avoid it, when if they could simply embrace it, it 766 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 4: could have so much meaning for them. 767 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 3: I agree, everything that I do is to help people 768 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 3: who have experienced grief and also help people live life fully. 769 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 3: My day job had been for many many years catering 770 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 3: for race car teams. But one of the race car 771 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 3: drivers who won tons of championships, he had seen that 772 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 3: I had written this book We Don't Die, and very 773 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 3: secretly he's like, what's this all about, Sandra, And I 774 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 3: told him and he said he had never shared this 775 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 3: story openly, but he said when he was in his twenties, 776 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 3: he got to a terrible car accident and ended up 777 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,240 Speaker 3: flatlining on an operating table, ended up going into a coma, 778 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,839 Speaker 3: and he said, I was greeted by my grandparents in 779 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 3: a world that made this life seem like just a dream, 780 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 3: so clear, so vivid. He said, I knew what had happened. 781 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 3: I knew I was with them. I knew I was fine, 782 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 3: And he said he was able to. He actually felt 783 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 3: himself hovering over his body, seeing mom and Dad and 784 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 3: his brother praying by his bedside, and he felt like 785 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 3: he had the choice continue on with Grandma and gramps 786 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 3: or come back, and he knew to come back, but 787 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,919 Speaker 3: he said he never forgot that experience. It was more 788 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 3: vivid than any memory he has. And he said, without 789 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 3: the fear of dying, I no longer had the fear 790 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 3: of living. So I'm not telling people to put your 791 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 3: foot that far down on a gas pedal, But for him, 792 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,839 Speaker 3: he could go a little bit faster, he could take 793 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 3: the curves a little bit more aggressively, and he won 794 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 3: tons of championships. So whatever that represents in our life, 795 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 3: knowing that ultimately we survive, you know, be safe, of course, 796 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 3: But where is it that we aren't taking chances, or 797 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 3: that we haven't taken a risk, or that we've been 798 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 3: afraid maybe push the envelope a little. 799 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 4: That's so true. Fear really causes us to constrict our 800 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 4: lives in so many ways, and we're actually here to 801 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 4: experience all of it, to you know, to blossom and 802 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 4: grow and take in what life has to offer. 803 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a little trivia. I think you probably know this, 804 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 3: but I was just talking to my mom about this today. 805 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 3: Back in the day, we were talking about one hundred 806 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 3: years ago, people would die at home. In fact, they 807 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 3: would die in the parlor and that's where they are. 808 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 3: They would put in the parlor, and that's where the 809 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 3: viewing would be, and family would come and things like that. 810 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 3: And so as time went on, the word parlor just 811 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 3: got linked to funerals and deaths, and so we have 812 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 3: funeral parlors now. But the name was changed from parlor 813 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 3: to living room. So that's why we have our living 814 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 3: room is not to be associated with the parlor, which 815 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 3: was associated with death and funerals. How about that for 816 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,720 Speaker 3: a little trivia? 817 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 4: Isn't that? Isn't that just great? I love that that 818 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 4: It's built right into the language we use every day. 819 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 4: And I never once thought about why is this called 820 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 4: Why do we call this a living room? Where does 821 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 4: that come from? 822 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 5: There? 823 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 3: You go just a little bit of trivia. Everybody remember 824 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 3: that when they're doing they're in their living room, live 825 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 3: live fully. So we're almost out of time. Karen, what 826 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,919 Speaker 3: haven't we said or what would you like to leave 827 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 3: people with? 828 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 4: I just I wanted to say that if you can 829 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 4: open your mind to be accepting of the idea of death, 830 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 4: if you ever have a chance to volunteer with hospice 831 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 4: or in a hospital or a place where you could 832 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,879 Speaker 4: sit with patients who are nearing the end of life, 833 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 4: it's profound. It will change everything that you know and 834 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 4: that you think about death and dying. It's a great 835 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 4: opportunity to learn, and it will help you with your fear. 836 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 4: And so I encourage people to do that as much 837 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 4: as possible. And if you just take one step forward 838 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 4: and allow yourself to look at the fact that we're 839 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 4: all mortal here in our physical bodies, you can get 840 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 4: through the fear that you have and you will find 841 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 4: so much more peace of mind and so much true 842 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 4: joy in just living life day to day once you 843 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,839 Speaker 4: get beyond that fear, So it's worth it to keep 844 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 4: trying and to keep working towards that. 845 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 3: That's beautiful, beautiful words. Yeah, fear can be a killer. 846 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,839 Speaker 3: In it inself. It's hard to get out of our head. 847 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 3: But once we start and we're busy on whatever it 848 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,360 Speaker 3: is we're fearful about, the fear disappears. It's like fear 849 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 3: can't multitask. It can be there when we're busy. 850 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,439 Speaker 4: The idea that once we as we were through the fear, 851 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 4: we increase our capacity to live with greater love. And 852 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 4: once we are experiencing that kind of love, then we 853 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 4: realize fear is quite small in comparison to the vastness 854 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 4: of love. 855 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 3: That's beautiful, Karen, Thank you so much for that and 856 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 3: for our listener. Please check out Karen's websites. We've got 857 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 3: Karen Wyatt MD dot com and also Eoluniversity dot com. 858 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 3: That's the End of Life University dot com. Last I checked, 859 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,840 Speaker 3: there was four hundred and three episodes. I think go 860 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 3: to YouTube type in End of Life University. In closing, 861 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 3: I want you to remember our website is we Don't 862 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 3: Die dot com. Every month, we've got new medium courses, 863 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 3: we've got medium demonstrations. We've got all kinds of free 864 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 3: goodies going on, including our free Sunday gathering where you 865 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 3: can witness a live medium demonstration. And also get all 866 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 3: kinds of inspiration comfort. If you join our Sunday gathering, 867 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,799 Speaker 3: come fifteen minutes early. Say hello to me when I 868 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 3: start the zoom room. I would love to hear from you. 869 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of 870 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,399 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 871 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,800 Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. 872 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 873 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 874 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 875 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com