1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning the Breakfast Club Morning. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Everybody is dj n V Charlemagne to God. We are 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: to Breakfast Club. Angel RII is with us as well, 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and we have a special guess in the building, the 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: US Secretary of Transportation. 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: Pete Boody Judge. Welcome back. Thank you, Secretary Pie, it's 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: good to be back. 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 3: Good news here. 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: Before you came in, I was talking about Secretary Pete 10 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: about his cars, and you were saying that I see 11 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: some way that he likes the new Mustang, the electric Mustang, 12 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: and that you They said you were in it. 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I thought we should practice what we preached. 14 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: We're encouraging electric vehicles, and I thought we ought to 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 3: do that too. So our security detail we had them 16 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: get a Mustang Mochi, which is how I usually get 17 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: around when I'm in Washington, and it's great. My favorite 18 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: part is when they took delivery of it. Part of 19 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: what standard. You know, they get the keys, they get 20 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: the paperwork, and then they get a gas card for 21 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: buying gas, you know, to reimburse that. And they're never 22 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: going to need that because it doesn't need any gas. 23 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: Electric taxpayers will never have to pay for a drop 24 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: a gas going into that car. 25 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: Question, does the Secretary of Transportation have to pay for transportation? 26 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: Do you get free calls and stuff like that? 27 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 3: Sure, it depends. So if I'm on personal travel then 28 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: then yeah, obviously that's that's out of my pocket. If 29 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: it's work travel or if there's you know, security you 30 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: need to get around, then it's a little different. But yeah, 31 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: I mean usually you know, you get free calls. I 32 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: do not get free cars. No, Like I've like, we 33 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: got a minivan that that you know, if I'm dropping 34 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: the kids off daycare, that's just our our family car. 35 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: You know we got I never thought I'd be a 36 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: minivan guy, and then you got kids. We very much. 37 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: It's actually great. Yeah, And it's it's a plug in 38 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: that one plugs in too, so you can it's a hybrid, 39 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: so you plug it in, you get maybe thirty forty 40 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: miles off of the electric and if you go any 41 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: further than that, like if we're on a road trip, 42 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: then it switches to game. 43 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: You can get a cooler car. You can get like 44 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: an electric escalade or something. You got the electric suv. 45 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: You don't have to drive a menis that out? Act 46 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: like you're from Indiana all your life. 47 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: Now I'm literally from Indiana and I'm literally a dad. 48 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: We're Midwestern dads. I got two kids. I never thought 49 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: i'd be a minivan guy, but I gotta say it's 50 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: kind of that's kind of the right answer for us 51 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: right now. 52 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm meant to ask this before we get jump into it. 53 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: When you talk about the electric grid, right when it 54 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: comes to all these electric CAUs they're hopefully focusing I 55 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: guess in the next five years they want all calls 56 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: to turn over to electric. Do we have a strong 57 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: enough grid to hold all those electric cars and all 58 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: the electric battery cause and everything that we need, and 59 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: also when people are driving from state to state, is 60 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: enough to make sure that these people won't run out 61 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: of electric and be on the side of the roads. 62 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: Right, So the honest answer is we cannot run tomorrow's 63 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 3: cars on today's grid. But the other part of the 64 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: answer is that's why we're upgrading the grid and the 65 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: chargers so presidence goes. By the end of this decade, 66 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 3: we want half of new car sales to be electric. 67 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: We think we can get there. It's not for everybody. 68 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 3: It's not for everybody. Overnight prices still need to come down, 69 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: but we think we can get to half by the 70 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: end of the decade. We also have to have about 71 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: half a million chargers around the country by the end 72 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: of the decade, and we're funding that. Part of what 73 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 3: was in the President's Infrastructure Law is about seven and 74 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: a half billion dollars that we're using to really do 75 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: two things. One is where you're talking about, where you 76 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: go out on a road trip, you know there's going 77 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: to be a gas station. We got to make sure 78 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: when you go on a road trip, you know there's 79 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 3: going to be a charging station. But the other piece 80 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: is we got to make sure there's community charging. So 81 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: if you live in a single family home where you 82 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 3: got a garage, then it's easy. You can just plug 83 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: in your wall. At our house in Michigan, we just 84 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 3: plug it in a regular wallplug. But if you're in 85 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: an apartment building, if you're in a dense area, and 86 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: especially if you're in a low or middle income area, 87 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: then it might not yet be profitable for companies to 88 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: put in chargers. So we've got to make sure that 89 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: we accelerate that process, put a little incentive in to 90 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: make the economics move in the right direction so that 91 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: everybody has access because then they have a chance at 92 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: the savings that come from not having to buy gas. 93 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: So it's definitely a process the grid has to be 94 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: upgraded to. But remember it's also complicated and expensive to 95 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: move millions and millions and millions of gallons of liquid 96 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: fuel around this country every day. At the end of 97 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: the day, in the long run, it's more efficient to 98 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: move electrons through a so to speak, through transmission lines 99 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: than it is to move liquids around. But you know 100 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: this is not going to happen overnight. It's going to 101 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: be years. We're underway, we're working out. 102 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: I have to one questions before we jump inc the 103 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: electric cost stuff, because this is something that I'm into. 104 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: They say that those batteries are just as bad. 105 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: For the environment as gasoline and fuel. Is Is that true? 106 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: No? But there are issues with them, uh, And a 107 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: lot of the issues have to do with how the 108 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: materials that go into them are extracted. So we've got 109 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: to make sure that they are extracted under good labor 110 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: conditions and their mind appropriately. We're trying to get more 111 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 3: of that done in the US. Under the Trump administration, 112 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: they didn't care a lot about electric vehicles. As you know, 113 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: China got an edge, and China does not care about 114 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: things like mining, environmental conditions, or child labor, any of 115 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: those other issues. We do. And so we're working to 116 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: make sure that we get more of these things sourced domestically. 117 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: But it's a different set of problems, so that those 118 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 3: are issues we take them seriously. But the problem with 119 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: burning regular gas is it's causing the climate to change. 120 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: That's not the problem that they were worried about on 121 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: when it comes to batteries. Climate change is getting faster, 122 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: it's getting worse. Is real. People can pretend otherwise, and 123 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: I know there's a lot of oil and gas profits 124 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: to be protected by pretending otherwise. It's just it's just true. 125 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: We can see it all around us. And the biggest 126 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: part of the US economy. Of all these sectors of 127 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: the economy, the one that puts the most carbon pollution 128 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: into the air is transportation. So to me is transportation sector. 129 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: That means our goal has to be to try to 130 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: be the biggest part of the solution, and part of 131 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: that is cars, and big part of that is going electric. 132 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: Last question I had was Elon Musk was very mad 133 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: at you guys. Right, they said that he was giving 134 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: you guys the middle finger, that he wanted some tax rebates, 135 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: and you guys wouldn't give them the rebates, so he 136 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: decided to take the money off of his cars himself. 137 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: Right. 138 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: That's when the Tesla's were at his lowest at at 139 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: one time. What should your thought process on that? 140 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 3: And Elon Musk, Look, what they have built a Tesla 141 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: is extraordinary and that's part of why evs are available. 142 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: Push the market forward, biggest maker of vvs in the country. 143 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: Our job is to try to make sure that the 144 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: industry as a whole does well, and we want to 145 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: make sure that it does well in America with American workers. 146 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: And obviously we care about workers having a free and 147 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: fair choice to join a union, which some auto companies 148 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: do and some auto companies do not. Past that, we're 149 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: not out to put a thumb on the scale. We 150 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: just need to make sure these cars are safe and 151 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: we want any business on American soil with American workers 152 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: making American cars to thrive. 153 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 4: Mayor Pete, you know one of the things that Mayor 154 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 4: Pete now, Secretary. 155 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: Pete, I'll always answer to Mayor and I. 156 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 5: Love that I think it really prepares you for where 157 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 5: you are now. I want to just commend you on 158 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 5: the fact that you've been one of the most consistent 159 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 5: administration voices. 160 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 4: That have been on this show. 161 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 5: That's right, And I also think that it's really interesting 162 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 5: that other than that, the most times I hear about 163 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 5: you is when something went wrong in transport to and 164 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 5: nine times out of ten, your responsibility is to hold 165 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 5: the folks accountable. You didn't do it, for example, the 166 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 5: railroad derailments earlier this year, and it would love for 167 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 5: you to talk to the audience about how you responded 168 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 5: to the railroad administration responded to those derailments, the fact 169 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: that they happened regularly every day, but those in particular. 170 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: Yes, the one that god the most attention was in 171 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: February this year in Ohio there was a Norfolk Southern 172 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: train who was carrying hazardous materials. It derailed and it 173 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: sent up it in order to prevent an explosion, they 174 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: actually burned off some of the material that was in there. Thankfully, 175 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: there were no fatalities there, but it was terrifying for 176 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: the town there, called East Palestine, and there was a 177 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: lot of frustration, a lot of anger, and a lot 178 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: of misinformation that really terrorized the community. And when that happened, 179 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: over time, I realized that we had to change the 180 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: way we approached these Normally, a Secretary of Transportation doesn't 181 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 3: go to an active HASTHMAD site or an active crash site, 182 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: not because people in this job don't care about the issue, 183 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: but because we have a National Transportation Board Safety Board. 184 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: It's designed to be independent. They do the investigation, we 185 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: do the policy. But what I found was people wanted 186 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: and needed to see a visible administration figure there, and 187 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: honestly I was a little slow to see the importance 188 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: of that given the misinformation that was going on. So 189 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: I knew that I had to get out there and 190 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: do something that was a little bit of a break 191 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 3: from the norm but was very important so that the 192 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: people who live in that community knew that they wouldn't 193 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: have to wait a year for the NTSB report to 194 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: come out to know that we cared about them and 195 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 3: we were supporting. Now, to be clear, our department was 196 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 3: on the ground from the first hours of that incident. 197 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: It's not like we weren't present or like we forgot, 198 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: but the information layer and the things that they were 199 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: being told as they had very legitimate questions like is 200 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: my house safe? Is the water safe? Which it was, 201 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: but they needed a testing to prove that is the 202 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: air safe. The community was so terrorized by that that 203 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: we had to take additional steps to get good information there. 204 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: But here's the other thing that's really important. When I 205 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: went out there, I wasn't just there to show my face. 206 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 3: I was there to talk about safety reforms that we need. 207 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: That incident woke up a lot of Americans to something 208 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: people didn't know, which is that all along we have 209 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: had every single day on average to Arouilda, were about 210 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: a thousand to rail onents a year in this country, 211 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: and there's nothing new. In fact, it used to be more. 212 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: They came down from many thousands a year because of regulations. 213 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: People don't always want to hear about regulations. Regulations aren't 214 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: always popular if they make us safer. And so right now, 215 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 3: there's a bill sitting in Congress called the Railway Safety Act, 216 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: bipartisan bill that would give my department more power to 217 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: hold these railroad companies accountable. It would allow us to 218 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: increase the fines to something that would really get their attention, 219 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: because right now, a multi billion dollar corporation might not 220 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: really care that much about the fines at the level 221 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: that we're allowed to assess if we catch them in 222 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: a violation other measures around the physical safety of the 223 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: tank cars that these chemicals move in, And it's just 224 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: sitting there, and some of the same members of Congress 225 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: who couldn't wait to get on TV to try to 226 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: make a part of an issue out of this still 227 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 3: haven't gone on the record on whether they're four or 228 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: against it. By February, it's going to be a year 229 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 3: since that crash happened. And again, there are other derailments, 230 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 3: thankfully usually not as serious, but there are other derailments 231 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: happening every day. We need those enforcement tools, we need 232 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: that stepped up action, and we're doing everything we can 233 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: under the laws as it exists, but we need Congress 234 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 3: to do more too. 235 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: Is that a limit with the cars that the actual 236 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: trains can carry, because anybody that lives in seventy five 237 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: to seven Virginia knows that those trains are going for 238 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty minutes, So is there a limit that 239 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: maybe we break it up so you wouldn't have that 240 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: many disriyments. 241 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: There's not, but we're looking at the safety issues of that, 242 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 3: because now you've got trains that are a mile long, 243 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: two miles long, three miles long. It is amazing. And 244 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: this is another thing we're working on right now. There's 245 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: actually no legal requirement on how many people need to 246 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: be staffing that train. The railroad industry. Bobby has been 247 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: pushing to have it be down to one. Imagine one 248 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: person on a train that's three miles long. We see 249 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 3: the back of it, no, I mean we take you 250 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: an hour to walk to the back of it. So 251 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 3: we were putting through a rule that would establish a 252 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 3: minimum staffing standard. But we're also looking at some of 253 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: the safety implications of trains being that long. Then you 254 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: have the community implications when I'm in especially in smaller communities, 255 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: and they have these railroad crossings and you get stuck 256 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: behind it twenty minutes and it's not crazy for your commute, 257 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 3: but sometimes that's an ambulance, you know, Sometimes that's that's 258 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: a safety issue. Somebody really needs to get there. But 259 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: we're also changing that. So we have another part that 260 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: I love the Presence Infrastructure Plan is we have dollars 261 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: for railroad crossing elimination. Now we can't get all of them. 262 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: There's there's one hundreds of thousands of these, but we 263 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: can go to some of the places. We were in 264 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 3: North Dakota and forced North Dakota. They've been trying to 265 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: get rid of this railroad crossing since I think nineteen 266 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: ninety one. Everybody in town when we went there and 267 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: knew about the spot we were talking about. I think 268 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: it's forty first Street that just cuts off one part 269 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: of town where the university is, from another part of town. 270 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 3: And we're finally we brought the funding that's going to 271 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: allow them to eliminate that crossing. We're in Orangeburg, South Carolina. 272 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: You know a lot about orange We're with the Congressman 273 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: Cliburn there celebrating work that's going to help there where 274 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: you have highways and railways that cut people off. So 275 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: in addition to holding the railroads accountable, we're also looking 276 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: at the physical infrastructure here. Now I would be remiss 277 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: if I did not mention that as we speak, House 278 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: Republicans are pushing cuts to a program called CHRISSY, the 279 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: Consolidated Rail Infrastructure Safety Improvement Program, which is one of 280 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: the main sources of federal dollars we use to improve 281 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: the safety of our railroads. I would argue that now 282 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 3: is the time to double down on that, not to 283 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: cut it. And you're going to hear me making a 284 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: lot of noise about this as they're deciding how to vote. 285 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 5: You know, the other thing you brought up East Palestine, 286 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 5: which is not exactly the same as what's happening in 287 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 5: the Middle East and Palestine is conflict. There are a 288 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 5: lot of folks in the community who feel very strongly 289 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 5: about the amount of four and eight dollars that are 290 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 5: going overseas to support but aren't feeling that same type 291 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 5: of aid and relief in our own communities. Department of 292 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 5: Transportation is responsible for some of the relief that can 293 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 5: be provided to the community. So can you talk a 294 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 5: little bit about what you all are doing in that regard. 295 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're focused on what we can do with the 296 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 3: federal dollars that have been entrusted to us to make 297 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 3: everyday life better. It's part of why I'm here in 298 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: New York. 299 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: Yea. 300 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've got the Hudson Tunnel. This is a 301 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: ton of hundreds of thousands of people count on this 302 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: to get their communities from here to New Jersey and beyond. 303 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: It's one hundred years old. And if there was a 304 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: problem that took that tunnel out of. 305 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: Service, it's one hundred years old than one. 306 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: Hundred years old, I think it was. It was finished 307 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: when Teddy Roosevelt was present. 308 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: Connect new jurority dependentation. 309 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've probably been through it very very often, right, 310 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: and you're going through century old infrastructure. We got one 311 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: in Baltimore that that we're redoing. It will be known 312 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: as the Frederick Douglas Tunnel. Right now, it's known as 313 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: the Baltimore and Potomac Tunnel. Well, he said, the Hudson 314 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: Hudson Yeah, yeah, East River Tunnel needs some work too, 315 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: and we're working on that. So and this is a 316 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: major I mean the Hudson Tunnel piece alone, that's gonna 317 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: be one of the biggest public works projects in modern 318 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: American history. 319 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: The twenty ninety ten million dollars. 320 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: That's just the start we've got. We've got billions more 321 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: identified in our transit programs, and then we're gonna we're 322 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: gonna have more announcements to make about that. It's gonna 323 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: be billions. But yeah, this is two hundred ninety two 324 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: million dollar piece that's gonna do the concrete casing around 325 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: Hudson Yards that that's a big piece of it because 326 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: we really need it. People count on it every day, 327 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: whether they think about it or not. In fact, our 328 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: goal is that people don't have to think about it. Yeah, 329 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: if you're not thinking about infrastructure, if you're not thinking 330 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: about whether there's a hole in the road that's going 331 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: to screw up your car, or whether your train's going 332 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: to be late because there's a problem in the tunnel, 333 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: then you can think about whatever else you're dealing with 334 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: in life. You can think about your job, you can 335 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: think about your kids, you can think about your. 336 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: Faith, especially when you all that traffic that is going 337 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: to cause because of the construction while we're doing it. 338 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: That's not what I had in mind. 339 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 5: But the other thing is if you put back on 340 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 5: your mayor p heat, it's not just folks getting to work. 341 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: There are folks who are going to work on these projects. 342 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's the because, look, some of these projects 343 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: are going to take a while before they're done, but 344 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: even during that period, you're talking about where things are 345 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: you know, delayed or backed up. The jobs that that's creating, 346 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: and we're working to make sure that that there's fair 347 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 3: access to those jobs. We've heard so many stories from 348 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: from communities and people who look at you know, the 349 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: project finally comes to their neighborhood and they say great, 350 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: but nobody working on this project looks like they're from 351 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: this neighbor. 352 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 4: My dad is the main one with the bullhorn, this 353 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 4: bother yea. 354 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: So we've got local higher preferences that that we're now 355 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: able to do under the law. We've been working with 356 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: project labor agreements and community benefit agreements. I was in 357 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: LA their program called Higher LAX specifically for people who 358 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: are from the same zip code as Lax to get 359 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: into these building trade jobs. And some of them, you know, 360 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: some of them had had been homeless in the past, 361 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: some of them had had an involvement in the justice system, 362 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: and we're now making good money educating their kids, buying 363 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: a home. I mean, these are transformational opportunities when you 364 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: get some of these construction jobs. So we're really excited 365 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: about that. Will it take so some of the projects 366 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: we can do in one construction season, that's going to 367 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: be years. 368 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: Four years more minimal casing, so the concrete casing we 369 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: think they do in about three years other parts of 370 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: it are going to go well into the twenty thirties. 371 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: It's just that big of a vision when you talk 372 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: about the overall connection of what's called the Gateway linking 373 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: all the way there. But that's that's part of what 374 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: we know you have to do. You have to have 375 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: a portfolio of projects from ones are going to be 376 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: done by this year to ones that you know some 377 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: other Transportation secretary is going to get to cut the 378 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 3: ribbon on one day. But that also means a pipeline 379 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: of work you can expect, and you know, some of 380 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: these are a long time coming. The other big one 381 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: that we're excited about that were announcing the Second Avenue subway, 382 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: extending that out to one hundred and twenty fifth Street. 383 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 3: That neighborhood has been asking for decades to get that 384 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: kind of subway access and we're finally able to get 385 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 3: it done with this kind of fun day and it's 386 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: I know that's going to change lives. Yes, the job's 387 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: working on it, but also just the jobs that people 388 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: are going to be able to have because they can 389 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: take advantage of the Transit. 390 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: Secretary p There was a rumor that that's been going 391 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: on probably since I've been alive that in any state 392 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: that you're in, if the roads are bad and you 393 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: hit a pothole, you can send the bill to your 394 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: local or state official and they were replenishing money. 395 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: Is that true? 396 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: I would not bank on that. 397 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why people say it every time, because 398 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: if they say, if you get a flat tie, because 399 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: if we pay for the roads and it is a 400 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: pothole and image my tie, that there was a way 401 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: to get your money back, But that's not true. 402 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 3: Not in any place that I've ever worked as mayor. 403 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: My sworn enemy was potholes. Right. Mayors hate potholes, Yes, 404 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: because you see them and you get calls about them, 405 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: and you're trying. 406 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: To fix them, and I'll destroy your call. 407 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: So one other thing, I got it, Yes, But they 408 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 3: called the pothole tax, right, So sometimes people are paying 409 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: so much in terms of the cost that you then 410 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: have to take on because the road's not in good shape. 411 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 3: You would have been better off, obviously, would all be 412 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: better off if the roads were better, which is why 413 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: we're fixing the roads. And the single biggest piece of 414 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: all the funding we have across is trillion dollars. I 415 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 3: think that the biggest individual set of investments ties back 416 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: to the roads and the bridges that go with it, 417 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: but also we're trying to make the roads last longer. 418 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: We just cut the ribbon at a facilit We actually 419 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: have a research facility inside of the dot. We're belonging 420 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: to the dot. It's in Virginia. We have a few 421 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 3: research facilities, but this one. One of the things I saw. 422 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 3: There was a test bed where they've laid in different 423 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: types of pavement and concrete. If you look at it 424 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 3: from in a cross section, that's like a layer cake, 425 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 3: and we have three hundred censors through it, and we're 426 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 3: going to be able to monitor and measure how it 427 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: responds to different weather conditions. They have machinery that can 428 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: test an eyebeam or a piece of concrete until it 429 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: fails by putting one hundred thousand pounds of pressure on 430 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: it or simulating a million trucks over the course of 431 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: years and years in an accelerated way. So we're trying 432 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: to be smarter with the technology so that this stuff 433 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 3: lasts longer. The big problem is in the spring. What 434 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 3: happens is, especially if you're anywhere north of Well certainly 435 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 3: anywhere like New York or where I come from. The 436 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: freeze thaw cycle means you get some water, it gets 437 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: into those cracks, then it freezes, it expands, it starts 438 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: to crack the surface, then it melts. Then you get 439 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 3: more water getting in there, and it gets worse and worse. 440 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 3: We think we can be much much smarter with our 441 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: materials and with our technology. I know this isn't considered 442 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: the sexiest thing, but I love the potential of just 443 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 3: making our pavement more durable because it means less potholes, 444 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 3: and it means our taxpayer money goes further so we 445 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: can do more good projects. 446 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: Question about the Hudson Tunnel again. With those changes, when 447 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: that increase the price of traveling, will metro cards go 448 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: up again? 449 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: No, at least not as a result of what we're funding. 450 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 3: I don't know what the plans are for MTA or 451 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 3: how they're thinking about their fares. I know congestion pricing, 452 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: which is a state project, that's part of how they're 453 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 3: planning to fund some of their work, but no, part 454 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 3: of what we're trying to do is provide more of 455 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 3: the federal funding because you couldn't raise fares high enough 456 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: to cover the cost of these, I just can't do 457 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: a you know, fifteen to twenty billion dollar project on 458 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: the strength of the fares. There's there's a lot of 459 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: money to go around people to stop. You couldn't keep 460 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: using it. That's why there has to be a federal role. 461 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 3: And by the way, I think it's fair game for 462 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 3: there to be a federal role because even if you 463 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: don't use that tunnel every day, we're all living in 464 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: an economy where if that tunnel was out of service, 465 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: that would impact the economy all the way back to 466 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: our house in Michigan. 467 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 4: One of the other things that I think is important. 468 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 5: We of course saw the Supreme Court decimate affirmative action 469 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 5: for higher education earlier this year during the summer. I 470 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 5: know that a day program at SDA took some hits 471 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 5: as well. This attorney that's on these cases is relentless 472 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 5: about it. Are you at all concerned about the impacts 473 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 5: on the Disadvantaged Business Enterprise Program at DOT and how 474 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 5: that might impact even some of the companies who are 475 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 5: working on projects around the infrastructure. 476 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: I am. They're coming after our DV program too. Now, 477 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: we believe that program is not just good policy, but 478 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 3: it's legally sound. We're going to fight for it. We 479 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: know that it's made a difference in terms of people 480 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 3: getting access to these jobs and opportunities that come with it. 481 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: Just yesterday I was speaking to the National Association of 482 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,239 Speaker 3: Minority Contractors. They are gearing up, getting ready, and by 483 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: the way, what they want is a fair shot to compete. 484 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: But these are businesses that have been you know, over 485 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: the years, you look in the past, systematically excluded the 486 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: whole basis of the dB program. The reason why it 487 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: has legal footing is that there's been a lot of 488 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 3: proof of the disparities that have opened up. And when 489 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 3: these businesses do get a fair shot to compete, they 490 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 3: can do amazing work and then they create jobs as 491 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 3: they go. So, whether we're talking about AAA to A, 492 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 3: which is a small business Administration program, or our own 493 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: programs that go under the flagship at DBE, we're going 494 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: to keep pushing because we believe in them. We're doing matchmaking. 495 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: You think it's like speed dating between investors and businesses 496 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: that want to grow in this way, we're doing matchmaking 497 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 3: between people who are building transit and transportation projects and 498 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 3: the businesses that hope to bid on it. And it's 499 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 3: not just. It's not just you know, if you're in 500 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: heavy construction, it could be you could have an accounting 501 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: or legal services or professional services business that could benefit 502 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 3: from some of the opportunities. We even upped our own 503 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: goal for the federal contracts from our department, the DOT. 504 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 3: We upped it to twenty one percent from a category 505 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 3: called sdb's the small Disavantaged Businesses. And we beat that goal, 506 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: and we're looking at what we can do to turn 507 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: the diary higher. So we really believe in this work. 508 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: I know it's coming under attack. I just don't think 509 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: those attacks are legally sound. So we're gonna push. 510 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about some some political stuff 511 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: going on. How do you feel working with the news 512 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: speak at a house, Mike Johnathan when you hate Gaith. 513 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 3: You know it's my job to try to work with anybody, 514 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: so I will. It's kind of tough now, yeah, I mean, look, 515 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: we're joking earlier about my minivan, like it's a strange 516 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: feeling to be driving our kids are twin two year 517 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 3: old to daycare, driving past the Capitol, looking at the 518 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 3: dome of the Capitol, knowing that under it sits a 519 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: speaker who thinks that my marriage ought to be against 520 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: the laws. I mean not not just not being in 521 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: favor of marriage, which most people in the country. 522 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: Get now, but the anti gay conversion therapy. 523 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: The conversion therapy, these laws. I mean, I don't I 524 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 3: don't get it. But uh, but maybe he I don't know, 525 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: maybe maybe we can get through to this guy. I'm 526 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: not sure I've ever met him, so would you. 527 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: Want to do? 528 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 5: We haven't, Like, where did he even come from? Like 529 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 5: fifty two rounds later. 530 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 3: They went through a lot of different steps to get 531 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: to this speaker. But but again, you know, my job 532 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 3: is to try to work with anybody. Look, I was 533 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: a gay mayor in Indiana when Mike Pence was the governor, 534 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 3: and and I fought him on on those issues, but 535 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: I also worked with him on other issues because working 536 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: together on the economy was the right thing to do 537 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 3: for the city. So it's, uh, he's got departmentalized. 538 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: I think he takes it a step further than Mike PINNs. 539 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: I mean he did. The criminalization of gay sex is 540 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: what he talks about. He says, you know, homosexuality led 541 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: to the fall of the Roman Empire, Like that's that's 542 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: a bit different. I think that's a step further than 543 00:24:59,359 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: Mike Pinnce. 544 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, he seems exceptionally committed to that ideology. And I 545 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: don't know how you reach somebody like that, you know, 546 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: I saw somebody ask him about his worldview and he said, 547 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 3: you know, pick up a Bible and read it, and 548 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: that's my worldview. But when I pick up, first of all, 549 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 3: this country was established by people who didn't want to 550 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: live under other people's interpretation of their own religion. But 551 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 3: also as a Christian, I pick up a Bible and 552 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: I get to a place like Proverbs twenty nine, the 553 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 3: righteous man knows the cause of the poor, and the 554 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: wicked regardeth it not. And then I'm thinking about the 555 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: Speaker of the House who went out of his way 556 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 3: to be against the child tax Credit, which when President 557 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 3: Biden's American Rescue Plan expanded the child tax credit cut 558 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 3: child poverty in half, and when they let it expire, 559 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: child poverty doubled. So we know that it was a 560 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 3: cause and effect. And I just Reverend Barber, William Barber, 561 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 3: somebody I have a lot of respect for him. 562 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 2: Guy. 563 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 3: He sometimes talks about how you see some of these 564 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: figures out there who have, As he puts it, they talk, 565 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 3: they say so much about what God says so little, 566 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: and so little about what God says so much. I 567 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 3: don't know, but we'll see if we can get through 568 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 3: to these folks. 569 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: You know, it's interested though, right, because you're a politician, 570 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: but then you're still a human at the end of 571 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: the day. So that's what you gave was very politically 572 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: correct answer. But when you and your husband are sitting around, 573 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 2: the conversations got to be a lot different. I mean, 574 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 2: the guy said that same sex relations are the dark 575 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy that could doom even 576 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: the strongest republic. Like, I'm trying to figure out, are 577 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 2: there are any there anything that disqualifies you from being 578 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: a politician nowadays? Obviously nothing. 579 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 3: I mean I look at some of the folks running 580 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: around that house Republican conference, were above and beyond you 581 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: know that kind of stuff. But but yeah, I mean, 582 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 3: the thing I don't understand is sleep. That's our family 583 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 3: he's talking about, you know. And I just got asked 584 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: about this yesterday too, and I was thinking, you know, 585 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: chaos is not a bad word to use to describe 586 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 3: what it's like around bedtime at our house when we're 587 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: trying to get our kids ready for bed and we're 588 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: trying to feed them and there's spaghetti flying and uh, 589 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: you know, one of them won't take their shoes off 590 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 3: and U and one of them needs a diaper change. 591 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: But like that's our family. Like that's a chaos that 592 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: is rooted in love. It's not dark, it's as beautiful, 593 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 3: it's it's and that is strengthening. I'm certain that every family, Uh, certainly, 594 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: I'm certain that our family. 595 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: Is part of. 596 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 3: What we have in mind when when we talk about 597 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 3: society needing protect people going about their lives, and I 598 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: think about all the other families that that are terrified 599 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: right now, and that that maybe you're not in as 600 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 3: comfortable a situation as we are. Where where you've got, 601 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 3: you know, a governor threatening to take away your kids 602 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 3: because you took them to the doctor, to to to 603 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: to see if you could support them, because they're they're 604 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: questioning their identity. How terrifying that is. Do you lose 605 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: faith a little. 606 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: Bit when you think about all the things that you 607 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: and your husband are thinking, and do. 608 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 3: You lose faith just a little bit? 609 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: Because this is our government, it's our government. 610 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: It's the only one we got. So if there's a 611 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 3: part of it that is disturbing or discouraging, you've got 612 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: to respond to that with the part of it you 613 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: believe it. I mean, I can't throw off my hands 614 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: and complain about the government when I've been given such 615 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 3: a prominent role in our government, right, I just have 616 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 3: to figure out how to use it to do the 617 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 3: most good for the most people, which is my job. 618 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: And yeah, there are things that are discouraging. Then again, 619 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: there are things that are incredibly exciting. Some of the 620 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 3: projects that we're doing that people gave up on a 621 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 3: long time ago, or I mean, we go to a 622 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: lot of communities and they still don't believe that the 623 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 3: money's actually coming even when we're delivering it, because it's 624 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: taken so long that they start to give up. We 625 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: even got this done bipartisan, I mean, I don't think 626 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 3: we had I don't think we had Mike Johnson on board, 627 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 3: but we had some Republicans who crossed over and voted 628 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: with us to get some of this infrastructure stuff done. 629 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: So have we solved every problem? Definitely not, Or something's 630 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: going to get worse before they get better. Maybe, But 631 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: I believe in what we're doing, and I see good 632 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 3: things happening around. 633 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 5: Us looking forward to the twenty twenty four election. You're 634 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 5: in this role at dot Transportation Secretary. Have you thought 635 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 5: about if you'd want to serve in any other capacity 636 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 5: under another Biden Harrison administration. I know you're not supposed 637 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 5: to necessarily answer this, but you are really smart, have 638 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 5: a lot of skill sets that you developed in school 639 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 5: as well as as a mayor. There are so many 640 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 5: other entities and agencies that could utilize the way that 641 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 5: you think things through. Have you thought about any other 642 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 5: role that you'd want to serve in. 643 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: I'm pretty absorbed just in the day job that I've got. 644 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: I love public service, and I serve as the pleasure 645 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: of the president. I know that, you know, the job 646 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: I'm doing now is not the kind of. 647 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 4: Job you can do forever answer my question, But. 648 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: I also think it's it's got to be the best 649 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 3: job in the federal government right now because we're building 650 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: things that that we you know, we're building the things 651 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: like my kids are going to be counting on fifty 652 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 3: years from now. You know, fifty years from now, my 653 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: kids will be going through the Hudson Tunnel. That that 654 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 3: that we're going to be starting construction on today and 655 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: being able to be at the forefront of some of 656 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: that work is incredibly rewarding. So so yeah, I mean, 657 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: the only honest answer your question is, I don't know. 658 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: Do you think Biden and Heareth is still a winning ticket? 659 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 660 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta be careful I talk about it 661 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: just because I'm here as secretary, I'm not supposed to 662 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 3: talk campaigns. But but what I will say is I 663 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: believe in the President and the Vice president. I believe 664 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: in the work we're doing, and I believe in the 665 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: results that we're getting. I mean, the I I get 666 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 3: that in so many ways, it's been a rough few 667 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: years for everybody, and I get that we're still kind 668 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 3: of coming out of some darkness from COVID to what 669 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 3: was going on earlier with inflation, to just the political 670 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: upheaval and everything that we're seeing in Congress and then 671 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 3: the former president. But look at what's happened, like take 672 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: aviation right right now, we've got a lot of frustration 673 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: with airlines not being able to keep up with the 674 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 3: tickets they're selling. By the way, it made a lot 675 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 3: of progress this year, cancelation's down below normal, still very expensively, 676 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: and yeah, but that's because the demand has been going up. Right, 677 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: it was only two and a half years ago that 678 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: the big conversation about airlines was are they going to 679 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: go out of business? The big conversation was how much 680 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: taxpayer funding do we need to put together to make 681 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 3: sure that the US aviation sector doesn't collapse? And that 682 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: was less than three years ago. It's you know, it's 683 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 3: November right now, Folks are starting to think about holiday shopping, 684 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 3: Christmas presents. Two years ago, that was just two years ago. 685 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 3: We were looking at news stories of ships waiting their 686 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: turn off the West Coast and the supply chains were 687 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: so backed up. People were saying Christmas is gonna be canceled. Like, 688 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: we figured it out, We got through it. We actually 689 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 3: had an all time record high that year in terms 690 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: of retail sales. But those kinds of things are happening. 691 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: A thirty five dollars insulent for seniors, and if we 692 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 3: didn't get blocked by congressional Republicans, it would be thirty 693 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 3: five dollar a month insulent for everybody. And I think 694 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: we can still get that done. So whether it's our 695 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: transportation stuff or other sides of the house, like the 696 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 3: administration has a lot to be proud of and also 697 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: a lot of work today. 698 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: Can we go back to Mike Johnson for one second. 699 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: I know you got to go, but were you ever 700 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: discouraged by Christianity because of the Bible's views on homosexuality? 701 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: Because a lot of those guys like Mike Johnson, you know, 702 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: they say they have those views because of what the 703 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: Bible says. So were you ever personally discouraged? Yeah? 704 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: I think every Christian, definitely, every gay Christian has had 705 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: to contend with the ways in which the Church and 706 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: scripture have have been sometimes weaponized or or turned against people. 707 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: But I also think that that at least as I 708 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 3: spend time with scripture, there are parts of it that 709 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: tell you about the wisdom of God, and there are 710 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: parts of it that tell you about the values that 711 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 3: prevailed at the time that it was written. We we 712 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: we don't think it is outrageous to wear mixed cloth. 713 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 3: We don't subscribe to a lot of things that you're 714 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: going to see in Leviticus. Even the most devout people don't. 715 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: Don't think that those codes or ideas tell us how 716 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: we ought to live today. They tell us how it 717 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: was viewed as what was viewed as the norm thousands 718 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 3: of years ago in the Middle East. But the parts 719 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 3: that that that most speak to to me have to 720 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 3: do with with protecting those who need to be protected. 721 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 3: They have to do with with infinite love. And Yeah, 722 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: I think every Christian wrestles with with all of the 723 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: different things and ideas and forces and and anditions that that. 724 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 2: That are part of that. 725 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: But and it's turned a lot of people off from religion. 726 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 3: Right at our wedding, our pastor talked about how many 727 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 3: people are walking away from religion entirely. Uh. And and 728 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 3: yet I think that it can be such a force 729 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 3: for good without ever believing that I push, you know, 730 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 3: what I believe on anybody else, And while being adamant 731 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 3: that no one in this country ought to have to 732 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 3: live based on some other guy's interpretation of his own religion. 733 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you referenced with Mike Johnson said earlier about 734 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: his worldview, So you wanted them a worldview. Pick up 735 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: the Bible and it's like, could it be possible the 736 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 2: Bible is an outdated worldview? 737 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 3: Or you know which chapter and verse are you looking up? 738 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 3: When you pick up though, right, he seems to he's 739 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 3: fine with doubling child poverty, but he's got a problem 740 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 3: with what goes on in other people's bedrooms. I mean, 741 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: they're picking and choosing more than everybody. 742 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 2: It's kind of hard. It's crazy to just like gain 743 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 2: people so much. In your last name is Johnson. Shut up, man, 744 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 2: I'm just saying you use that one pete, secretary p 745 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: used that one file that away, use that you. 746 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: Found it away, never to go back. 747 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: You appreciate you for you know what you say? You 748 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: say yo, you know what, Mike Johnson, he needs to 749 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: look at the tip of the files. 750 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 4: You know what. 751 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 2: I think. 752 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 3: I gotta go cut a river, Secretary. People appreciate you. 753 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Secretary, appreciate you. 754 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 755 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Angela, I think you as well. It's 756 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: the Breakfast Clove, the morning wake that up in the morning, 757 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club,