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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 3: Hello and happy Friday. It's the Herd. Colin Cowherd is

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Speaker 3: out of town.

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Speaker 4: For the day, so you got a special treat me.

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Speaker 3: Jason McIntyre joined by the immortal Rachel Nichols. We will

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Speaker 3: bring the noise in the funk on a beautiful Friday

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Speaker 3: out here in Los Angeles. Divisional weekend. To Rachel Nichols,

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Speaker 3: I know you're fired up.

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Speaker 5: Favorite weekend of the year and this is the best

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Speaker 5: playoff weekend in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm hopeful that we get some good games. We

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Speaker 3: don't have all the great quarterbacks right, but maybe you

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Speaker 3: know You're Washington team was here last year. Remember they

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Speaker 3: smashed Detroit. Oh boy, we got a great, great show today.

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Speaker 3: Greg Jennings one of my favorites. He's stopping by. I

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Speaker 3: wonder if we'll talk about the Packers at all. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, maybe possibly, And then of course, Chris Philka

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Speaker 3: to Ron Armstead, we got a great show. But I

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Speaker 3: want to start, ladies and gentlemen with first impressions. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure your parents told you at some point. Oh, first

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Speaker 3: impressions are everything. Gotta have the firm handshake, got to

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Speaker 3: make the eye contact.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 3: I remember my first impression of Los Angeles a decade ago.

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Speaker 3: You know, the wife and I we come out here

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Speaker 3: to check out Los Angeles, see if we're going to

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Speaker 3: move out here. And Colin and his wife showed us

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Speaker 3: out night, really nice dinner, seventy degrees, the sunset, the

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Speaker 4: It was incredible. First impression of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 7: We're here, we.

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Speaker 3: Gotta go sold I want to talk about the first

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Speaker 3: impression of Sam Darnold. You guys surely remember where he

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Speaker 3: started his NFL career, right I was with my New

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Speaker 4: I have not forgotten this game.

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Speaker 6: I remember it.

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Speaker 3: Finally, Monday Night football, Sammy Darnald and the Jets go

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Speaker 3: to Detroit and Sam Donald throws a pick six on

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Speaker 3: his first NFL pass. I'll never forget it. I was

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Speaker 3: Early Sam donald debut. You know, there's a big game

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Speaker 3: my Jets, Monday Night Football, and there's all these USC

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Speaker 3: fans watching the game, and it was pure laughter. Oh,

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Speaker 3: here we go again with the Jets. And that was

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Speaker 3: kind of the start of a rough go for Sam

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Speaker 3: six on their first career pass. They did win the game,

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Speaker 3: but nobody remembers that they won the pick six.

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Speaker 4: That's all they remember.

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Speaker 3: And the next year, Sam Donald is seeing ghosts in

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Speaker 3: the belief that Sam Donald is under so much pressure

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Speaker 3: this weekend and in these playoffs because of that first impression.

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Speaker 7: It was so bad.

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Speaker 3: He's run out of New York. He's in Carolina, Okay,

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Speaker 3: trying to rehab the image. Then he goes and sits

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Speaker 3: in San fran Now he's found a home in Seattle,

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Speaker 3: and folks, let's be real, Sam Donald appears to be

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Speaker 4: I got hit with a.

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Speaker 3: Fun fact in the morning meeting today, Sam Donald zero

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Speaker 3: career playoff wins.

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Speaker 4: I was blown away. I was like, wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: All I've heard Collins say all week is that you

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Speaker 4: Not Mahomes, It's.

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Speaker 3: Not Josh Allen, it's not Matt Stafford, it's Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: And these regular season wins, what do they mean? Really nothing.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's impression of Sam Donald's is going

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Speaker 3: to change unless he wins the Super Bowl, beating Sam

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Speaker 3: Fran come on their touchdown favorites. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: Donald addressed the game yesterday apparently kind of a pulled

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Speaker 3: I know some people are talking, Oh the excuse is

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Speaker 3: here we go, here's Donald talking about the matchup with

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Speaker 8: I think for us, we're treating it, you know, just

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Speaker 8: another week, another game. You know, That's that's how everyone,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is funny. They are the favorites to win

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. They're the number one seed and the

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Speaker 4: That's staggering.

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Speaker 3: And then you look at the other side of the

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Speaker 3: coin and he's facing Rock Purty, My guy, Rock Purty.

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Speaker 3: You know I love to kpe up for him. Well, Jay,

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Speaker 3: He won like every game he started in the first

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Speaker 3: Eagles in the playoff game, he gets hurt on the

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Speaker 4: Okay, TBD. Next season they go to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: He takes the lead in overtime against Patrick Mahomes's first

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Speaker 3: impressions matter and that's why I've been blown away by

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, you got Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 3: Folks, how about this stat You know who had the

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Speaker 3: Why because nobody believes in Sam Darnald.

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Speaker 4: They're laying points. I can't lay points to Sam Donald.

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Speaker 4: Folks when they walk when that game kicks off, everybody

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Speaker 3: Stadium knows the deal. Shanahan and Purty are gonna cook.

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Speaker 3: The Seattle defense is really good. We know what JSN

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Speaker 3: able to win us the football game? And that's why

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Speaker 3: I think he's under more pressure than Josh Allen this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Josh Allen has established himself as an MVP

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Speaker 4: Sam Donald doesn't have a playoff win. Okay, the moment

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Speaker 4: he throws an interception in this one.

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Speaker 3: Remember that Rams Thursday Night game, Remember how bad he was.

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Speaker 4: They get bailed out by the special.

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Speaker 3: Teams luck box two point conversion. Nobody credits that game

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald's a nice guy. I met up with the

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Speaker 3: I don't mean hey, he's a you know, he's a

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Speaker 3: needs to get the ball fourth quarter trailing, like Caleb

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Speaker 3: Williams has done a billion times this year. Go down

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Speaker 3: the field and get the win. That's what it's going

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Speaker 3: to take, I believe for Donald to exercise the ghosts

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Speaker 9: When you get to these big moments in big games,

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Speaker 9: whether going to get in or not. The margin of

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Speaker 9: So that's where the fundamentals come into play. You have to,

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Speaker 9: you know, in order to throw the ball accurate, okay,

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Speaker 7: It's over time.

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Speaker 10: You need to refine your techniques so that when you

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Speaker 3: It's a tall order for Sam Darnold and the Seahawks,

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Speaker 3: but they're big favorites, be careful, all right. I want

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Speaker 3: and that is superstar Josh Allen, the defending MVP of

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Speaker 3: talking about Josh Allen in Denver. Buffalo is favored, now

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Speaker 3: they're slight underdogs, and it feels like a crossroads game

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Speaker 3: for Josh Allen. I do believe he's the best quarterback

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Speaker 3: That'll be Stafford or Drake May. But Josh Allen has

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Speaker 3: the ability to put a team on his back, win

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Speaker 3: had Buffalo winning the Super Bowl this year. Can Josh

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Speaker 4: Want to scare anybody in Buffalo, but let's be real.

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Speaker 3: Their twenty two starters or free agents, and we're talking

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Speaker 4: He's getting banged up.

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Speaker 3: And to draw a parallel to another big, strapping quarterback

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Speaker 3: It was basically over for him. These big quarterbacks who

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Speaker 4: They don't last.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you look at Lamar Jackson, Guy's had an

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Speaker 3: You look at Joe Burrow, it's a guy who got

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Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl in year two. Then the AFC Championship.

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Speaker 3: Can't get back to the playoffs. And I do believe

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Speaker 3: final eight quarterbacks right left in the playoffs, Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: in the top fifteen in the league. Paying your quarterback

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Speaker 3: what he's worth an exorbitant sum makes it difficult to

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Speaker 3: build around him. And you go, look at that receiving core, Folks,

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Speaker 4: That's it, and that's Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: You could argue James Cook, but the Denver run defense

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Speaker 3: Oh and it's just spicy take all right, just you know,

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Speaker 3: Here we go our number two here on the Herd,

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Speaker 3: Jason McIntyre filling in for Colin Cowherd joined by Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 3: We are chopping it up. If you guys remember twenty

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Speaker 4: Nothing yet, but we are on a high alert.

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Speaker 7: Let's see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Jannis got smoked again last night. Maybe you get traded today.

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Speaker 3: That would'd be a fun fot.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't count on that, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: To reach it a little bit, we got Tarron Armstead,

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Speaker 4: Here. He's got some great insight into divisional weekend.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 4: One fun thing.

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Speaker 3: As soon as the staff told me, oh, Jay Mack,

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Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna say my piece and let the

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Speaker 3: So here we are going eight to one ranking the

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Speaker 7: Number eight.

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Speaker 3: This is undeniable. It has to be Brock bo Nicks.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, bo Knicks number eight.

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Speaker 4: Listen. He hasn't really proven anything, no playoff wins. He

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Speaker 3: I've seen some numbers about how he loves to throw

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Speaker 4: Problem, folks. Bo Nicks is I don't know that he's

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Speaker 3: He has been very good and exceeded all expectations through

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Speaker 3: I should cook against the Bills, but I think it's undeniable.

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Speaker 3: Of the eight quarterbacks, bo Nick's rank subber eight, number seven, Right,

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Speaker 3: this one was a little harder, But I'm going with

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Speaker 3: Sammy d slanging Sam Donald of the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 4: Now that's gonna look awkward.

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Speaker 3: The top two seeds who had to buy have, in

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Speaker 4: Now, I know what you're saying, Jay, that's harsh. Okay,

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Speaker 4: who you putting seven? Talk to me because I look

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Speaker 3: Donald zero playoff wins, led the NFL in giveaways this season.

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Speaker 4: How are they the number one seed?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the defense, Like, that's the reality. The defense

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Speaker 7: Number six.

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Speaker 3: This is where it gets tricky, and I went with CJ.

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Speaker 3: if you just watch that Steelers game, you would say

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Speaker 4: Onto the football.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna get some gloves halftime, or

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Speaker 3: Stroud's really good. But what about what a stat from

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Speaker 4: Stroud can sling it.

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Speaker 3: There was a great pass to Christian Kirk on a

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Speaker 3: I think it was fourth quarter, early fourth He's good.

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Speaker 4: We know that.

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Speaker 3: Is this another OC thing like Jalen Hurts. I don't

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Speaker 7: From his rookie year number five.

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Speaker 3: All right, this is Caleb Williams the spot. You could

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Speaker 3: I think it was a rematch, and people are like,

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Speaker 7: And I have number five, number four.

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Speaker 4: All right, this one is the potential MVP of the league.

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Speaker 3: Drake may listen, he's only got one playoff start. I

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Speaker 4: I think May is very good.

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Speaker 3: I actually liked him Warden Jane Daniels coming out of college.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see it last year, but everybody's seen it

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Speaker 7: Four, number three.

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Speaker 3: It's my guy Rock Party. I think this is the

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Speaker 3: the results and they've been amazing. The Rock Party. List

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Speaker 3: of stats here is too long. We't have time to

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. We're not giving him that loss against the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: We got hurt on like the first drive they had,

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Speaker 4: The guy comes back. That's what I want in my quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, you know who the best

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Speaker 4: Number one in the name.

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Speaker 3: Number two, I went with Matt Stafford, and he's probably

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, I'd be the Rams because I love

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Speaker 3: I've got him at number two, number one, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can go anywhere else with this.

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Speaker 4: The guy is Superman all the cold. He put on

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Speaker 4: a cape and lead the team to victory.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know, he feels like a man trying

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Speaker 3: to do it by himself. And I'm very worried for

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Speaker 3: him because if it doesn't happen this year for the Bills,

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Speaker 3: as I said earlier, eight free agents, Alan turns thirty

447
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Speaker 3: this summer, the injuries starting to mount.

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Speaker 4: I mean they were.

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Speaker 3: Kind of laughing at how bad he was hurt repeatedly

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Speaker 3: against the Jags. He's got the bomb ankle man. When

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Speaker 3: he delivers, it's beautiful to watch Josh Allen at number one.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine anybody would debate any of this.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 3: Back here on the Herd, Jason McIntyre and Rachel Nichols

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Speaker 3: were in for a Colin Cowhard Divisional Football Friday. A

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Speaker 3: lot of chaos around the league at coaching openings. Let's

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Speaker 3: dive into it all with Greg Jennings, My main.

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Speaker 4: Man, Greg Jennings.

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Speaker 3: He's on First Things First every day at three Easter?

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Speaker 4: Greg, how are you dude? Looking real strong in that

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Speaker 4: nice suit. Did you lose a bet? Is that why?

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Speaker 7: It's not?

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Speaker 4: As I heard you've been gambling a lot on first.

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Speaker 11: Day, No gambling at all, just making it a couple

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Speaker 11: nice healthy.

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Speaker 6: Well I guess one was.

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Speaker 11: A little unhealthy because of the outcome, but.

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Speaker 6: You know, nothing nothing too string with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how are you feeling? You know your packers went down?

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Speaker 3: I know Lafleur is your boy obviously, Yes.

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Speaker 6: I'm checking.

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Speaker 11: I'm checking my it's the visional round, right, that was

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Speaker 11: wild card looked last week the right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're past Wednesday. We've moved on.

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Speaker 11: You're trying to open wounds that I've been trying to

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Speaker 11: put bandages on. No, it was a tough weekend, obviously,

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Speaker 11: you know, unfortunate for the Packers, but the Bears that

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Speaker 11: they've been hot. Man, they got a quarterback that's playing

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Speaker 11: lights out, especially at the end of the games or

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Speaker 11: in second half. They got a coaching staff that truly

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Speaker 11: supports and believes in what they're what he capable of

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Speaker 11: putting them in great situations. The defense played lights out

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Speaker 11: in that second half. They took that game. They simply

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Speaker 11: took that game. And we're the better team when it mattered.

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Speaker 3: Most well, the Packers kind of gave it to him.

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Speaker 3: And that's twice. And that's what I didn't like about Lafleur. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: they stopped playing. You know, you could maybe excuse the

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Speaker 3: one where Love got hurt and they have Malik Willison there,

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Speaker 3: but they had that game one up ten with two

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Speaker 3: minutes left, and then you fast forward to this one

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Speaker 3: the last round, and I know you said the Bears

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Speaker 3: took it. Come on, maybe you have to admit they

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Speaker 3: got a little bit lucky. I know there's some guys

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Speaker 3: on the set with you at first Thing First who

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Speaker 3: may not agree, but they've just gotten lucky all season.

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Speaker 3: This is a charm life for Chicago.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's luck when it happens once, twice, maybe even

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Speaker 11: a third time. When you make a habit of doing

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Speaker 11: this and you do it better than almost anybody else

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Speaker 11: outside of the Denver Broncos, it becomes who you are

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Speaker 11: and you live for those moments.

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Speaker 6: And so I'm not going to call it.

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Speaker 11: Look, when you were watching that game and Caleb got

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Speaker 11: the ball, how.

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Speaker 6: Did you feel.

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Speaker 11: Did you feel like, oh, he can't do it again,

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Speaker 11: or did you feel like, man, he might do it again.

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Speaker 6: I was nervous. I'm not going to sit here and

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Speaker 6: lie to you.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's less about that.

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Speaker 3: It was more about the Packers leading the whole damn

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Speaker 3: way and then like, what are we going to do?

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Speaker 3: And then they go up thirteen after the golden touchdown,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, we're fine because I had the Packers

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Speaker 3: of money line and I mean, it just blew up

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Speaker 3: on my face.

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Speaker 4: Now, Caleb is a good point.

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Speaker 3: Where do you feel he is at this stage? Is

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Speaker 3: this just a guy who's built for the fourth quarter

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Speaker 3: in the game, winning drives. He's still complete like fifty

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Speaker 3: percent of his passes most weeks.

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Speaker 4: Do we have a young Josh Allen? What do we

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Speaker 4: have here? I don't know what to make of them.

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Speaker 11: Look, if you're the Bears, you believe you have the guy.

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Speaker 11: And look, I'm on the outside looking in, but I

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Speaker 11: understand what it takes to be a quarterback and to

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Speaker 11: play at a high level in this game, and you're

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Speaker 11: not going to get very seldomly do we see quarterbacks

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Speaker 11: just out the gate and checking every single box.

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Speaker 6: He's going through a process.

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Speaker 11: He has a coach that has implemented a scheme and

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Speaker 11: has put expectations on him and really demanded him to

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Speaker 11: be better in every area, and he is developing in

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Speaker 11: all those areas. And if you listen to how Ben

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Speaker 11: Johnson has spoken about him early in the season versus now,

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Speaker 11: it's a different tune that he's speaking on Caleb with

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Speaker 11: And look, I understand the completion percentage. I think he

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Speaker 11: resolves that going into next season. I think we will

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Speaker 11: see a huge jump in his completion percentage just because

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Speaker 11: of the comfort that he will have in his second

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Speaker 11: year with Ben in that offense, with those guys around him,

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Speaker 11: understanding that he can get it done knowingly and at

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Speaker 11: a high clip at the end of games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk about the trash talking situation

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Speaker 3: with Ben Johnson. So you played a wide receiver position.

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Speaker 3: A lot of diva's there, not Greg Jennings, a lot

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Speaker 3: of guys running their mouths.

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Speaker 7: I'll just fire.

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Speaker 4: I will just say something's going on with Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Man, he's really puffing his chest out and peacocking around

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Speaker 3: because they're winning. And the handshake with Lafleur, the f

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Speaker 3: bombs in the locker room. I don't know if this

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Speaker 3: is working out well. And I'm sure you saw the

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Speaker 3: clip where McVeigh this week was like, Yeah, Lafleur's a

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Speaker 3: good friend.

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Speaker 4: I talked to him, smile.

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Speaker 3: And the story Ben Johnson is setting himself up to

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Speaker 3: kind of lose by thirty to one of these Lafleur

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Speaker 3: Shanahan Tree guys who were just like, yeah, you're going

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Speaker 3: to run your mouth.

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Speaker 4: This is how it works in the league.

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Speaker 11: Look, I was with Ben Johnson down in Miami. He

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Speaker 11: and Dan Campbell. Obviously we know what he was when

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Speaker 11: he was with Dan Campbell. He's not going to back

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Speaker 11: down from anybody, Like. Look, he took this job understanding

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Speaker 11: the task at hand was to turn the program to

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Speaker 11: earn turn the organization around, be what this young quarterback

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Speaker 11: needs to develop, and allow their fan base in that

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Speaker 11: organization to understand that this is the future face of

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Speaker 11: our franchise in Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 6: He's done that.

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Speaker 11: And when you have success, when you win, you afford

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Speaker 11: yourself to the opportunity to do things like this. Now,

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Speaker 11: do I believe that he's taking it a bit far?

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Speaker 11: I would say yes, because I'm I'm on the opposite

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Speaker 11: side of it like I was in the Green and

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Speaker 11: Gold and so when you but I understand what this

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Speaker 11: rivalry means. I understand with him coming in first year

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Speaker 11: head coach and getting two of the three wins, none

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Speaker 11: more important than last weekend, like you're gonna say things

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Speaker 11: with your chess, and he is.

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Speaker 6: He's full blown.

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Speaker 11: Vested in this idea of I do not like the

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Speaker 11: Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 6: I don't like Matt Lafleur.

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Speaker 11: I don't like anything across the state line that goes

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Speaker 11: into Wisconsin, and look, I'm good with that. Just understand

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Speaker 11: you must maintain this these winning ways if you are

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Speaker 11: going to continue to say it with your chess that way.

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Speaker 3: So I gotta ask, that's a great stat he had.

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Speaker 3: You were in Miami with Ben Johnson. I just looked

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Speaker 3: it up. He was the offensive quality control guy seven

595
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Speaker 3: years ago. And fast forward to now and he's the

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Speaker 3: head coach in the division round and it looks like

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Speaker 3: they might have something cookiing. Let me ask, what do

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Speaker 3: you think is behind this whole? I don't we don't

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Speaker 3: like Green Bay.

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Speaker 4: I hate them.

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Speaker 3: Is it simply leaning into the Bears franchise or is

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Speaker 3: there something personal with him and Lafleur and maybe that crew,

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Speaker 3: that posse of coaches.

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Speaker 11: Look, I don't know if it is something personal. I

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Speaker 11: don't know about that part. But I understand how the

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Speaker 11: rivalry works. I understand what he was getting himself into.

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Speaker 11: Understanding that it has not truly been a rivalry. It's

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Speaker 11: been one sided, green Bay dominating it for.

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Speaker 6: The past thirty years or so.

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Speaker 11: And he understands that, like taking on this job was

611
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Speaker 11: not just about developing Caleb Williams, turning the organizational organization around.

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Speaker 6: And not beating Green Bay.

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Speaker 11: Taking this job was doing all those things and having

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Speaker 11: a good enough outfit to where when we beat when

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Speaker 11: we play those guys in Green and Yellow, we win

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Speaker 11: more often than not. And right now he's off to

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Speaker 11: a great start, so I don't knock it. Look, he

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Speaker 11: has to be ready to take on what comes with that.

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Speaker 11: And I don't think Matt Lafleur is gonna turn into

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Speaker 11: a Ben Johnson overnight. Neither should he. But you know,

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Speaker 11: when you do things and make comments like that, it

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Speaker 11: has a reverberation across the league. And we'll see what

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Speaker 11: happens this weekend. But look, he's betting on his guys

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Speaker 11: to get it done.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of a guy putting a target

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Speaker 3: on his back in year one? Because that's what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: I know people want to deny it, and that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Tough talk is fine, but he has the target squarely

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Speaker 3: on his back, and Greg, you know how it goes.

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Speaker 3: Chiefs were eleven or zero one score games last year.

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Speaker 3: That flipped and all of a sudden they're met. They're

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Speaker 3: not making the playoffs, So Ben, they rode hot and

633
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Speaker 3: then won a lot of close games next year.

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Speaker 4: If that flips and they missed the playoffs. Oh who's

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Speaker 4: the genius now, Ben, It's a dangerous game to play.

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Speaker 4: Hey to each his own? Are are you endorsing this behavior?

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Speaker 11: Look, I'm not endorsing it, but I don't I don't

638
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Speaker 11: not like it. Like when you are in that locker room,

639
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Speaker 11: you want to coach that is going to stand ten

640
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Speaker 11: toes down and say, hey, I'm in this with you guys.

641
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Speaker 11: I don't like them. I don't it's us against everyone.

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Speaker 11: And when you take that approach and you continue to

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Speaker 11: deliver and you send that messaging in the locker room,

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Speaker 11: you are more times than not going to be supported

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Speaker 11: by the guys that are walking out of that locker room.

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Speaker 6: To play that game on your behalf.

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Speaker 11: So look, it's worked out for him this year. I

648
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Speaker 11: think this is a team that's not just a fluke.

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Speaker 11: This is a team that is here to stay and

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Speaker 11: an offense that is growing into something that we are

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Speaker 11: going to be probably in awe of in the next

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Speaker 11: year and years to come.

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Speaker 3: All Right, let's pivot to let's go that Seahawks Niners

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Speaker 3: game Saturday. I think this is all about Sam Donald.

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Speaker 3: I tried to make the case in the meeting. I

656
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Speaker 3: was shot down that there's more pressure on Sam Donald

657
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Speaker 3: than any other quarterback in these playoffs.

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Speaker 4: And I know Josh Allen's.

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Speaker 3: Under pressure obviously in Buffalo, but we've seen what he

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Speaker 3: can do.

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Speaker 4: Donald has zero career playoff wins. They are the Super

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Speaker 4: Bowl favorites. Okay, I'm a little worried about Sam. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what to make of this oblique thing. I

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Speaker 4: know your obliques don't get hurt because you're jacked. What

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Speaker 4: are we doing with Seattle here against the great.

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Speaker 11: If there's a game that I'm not necessarily putting all

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Speaker 11: the pressure on Sam Donald, it's this one look, You're

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Speaker 11: going up against the defense, a team that you've seen

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Speaker 11: three times, a team that your defense has dominated, and

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Speaker 11: it's going to be hard for them to score points

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Speaker 11: on your defense. Like all Sam Donald has to do

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Speaker 11: is just not turn the ball over, not play the

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Speaker 11: way that we've seen him play in moments where he

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Speaker 11: gets flustered. If he can deliver and execute, and they

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Speaker 11: put points on the board when they get down in

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Speaker 11: the red zone, something that they struggle to do in

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Speaker 11: the last game of the season, but they ended up

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Speaker 11: winning a game because of that defense. They didn't really

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Speaker 11: deliver in the red zone. I believe they were zero

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Speaker 11: to three in the red zone. If they are able

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Speaker 11: to put points on the board, they're just simply gonna

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Speaker 11: make it very hard for the forty nine ers to

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Speaker 11: win this game because defensively, I know Robert sala is

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Speaker 11: going to have a game plan.

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Speaker 6: He's going to make it ugly.

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Speaker 11: He's going to try to make it a grind out

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Speaker 11: game as much as possible as they should. Because this

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Speaker 11: defense is just simply of the Seattle Seahawks. They're not

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Speaker 11: going to give that forty nine ers offense a lot

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Speaker 11: of opportunities.

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Speaker 3: But what you just said was like, hey, just don't

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Speaker 3: turn the ball of, don't screw it up. Essentially for you,

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Speaker 3: when you have a defense anyx yes c J.

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Speaker 11: Stroud, when you have a defense that is that good

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Speaker 11: in a game like this, we don't need you to

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Speaker 11: score forty, We don't need thirty on the board. Just

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Speaker 11: what we can't have is you throwing a pick six

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Speaker 11: or giving the ball into into an opponent where they

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Speaker 11: are in a red zone situation right out the game

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Speaker 11: with their downs, Like you can't have those type of

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Speaker 11: mistakes at the quarterback position in games like this.

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Speaker 3: So Darnold led the league in giveaways fumbles plus interceptions,

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Speaker 3: and you mentioned red zone.

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Speaker 7: I just looked it up.

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Speaker 3: Seattle twenty second in the league in red zone touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: My only problem is, are you trying to turn him

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Speaker 3: into and this is not disparaging. Are you trying to

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Speaker 3: turn him into Trent Dofer? Hey, hand the ball off,

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Speaker 3: make some safe passes. Our defense will get us home.

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Speaker 3: Is that like a winning game plan? If you tell

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Speaker 3: your quarterback that, doesn't he go in with like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I can't screw it up.

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Speaker 4: That's hell. It just feels like a negative mindset.

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Speaker 6: No, you don't. He doesn't.

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Speaker 11: He doesn't go into game like that, like I believe

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Speaker 11: with everything that Sam Donald believes that he's the better

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Speaker 11: quarterback of the two. You go on net with that

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Speaker 11: type of mentality, that type of confidence understanding though, we

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Speaker 11: got guys behind you that can really get it done.

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Speaker 6: So we don't need you to be hero.

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Speaker 11: We just need you to be play within the framework

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Speaker 11: of what we are going to go out there and

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Speaker 11: ask you to do and be and let the rest.

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Speaker 11: Let everybody else handle the rest. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so hypothetical Lafleur loves what you're saying on the show.

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Speaker 3: He's watching now. He reaches out to you. Hey, Hey, Greg,

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Speaker 3: I really need your input on this one. I don't

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Speaker 3: know the answer. If you could pick a quarterback for

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Speaker 3: the next five year, would you take Rock Party or

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald?

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Speaker 6: Wow? This is Oh that's a great question. It's question

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Speaker 6: and I'm glad. I'm glad.

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Speaker 11: I'm glad Lafloor is not going to ask me about

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Speaker 11: a quarterback named Brock Party or Sam Donald because he

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Speaker 11: has this guy in Jordan Love, which we tend to love.

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Speaker 6: So did I dodge that question? No, I'll answer it.

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Speaker 11: Look, I'm going with Rock Party because I believe that

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Speaker 11: there's more that he can deliver, especially with his legs.

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Speaker 11: You don't see the panic as much. He's a younger quarterback.

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Speaker 11: You can kind of continue to grow and develop. He's

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Speaker 11: been there, kind of done that. Hasn't won the big

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Speaker 11: games because obviously he didn't have a chance to play

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Speaker 11: the first time around. The second time around, he delivered,

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Speaker 11: and we've seen it. We haven't seen that from Sam Donald.

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Speaker 11: Can he get it done? I believe he can, but

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Speaker 11: he just needs a supporting gas to do so.

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Speaker 4: All right, two more real quick.

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Speaker 3: So number one, AJ Brown, I'm sure you saw the video,

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Speaker 3: got into it with Siriani on the sideline. Big Dom

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Speaker 3: had to step in and cooler heads prevailed. And Howie

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Speaker 3: Roseman's asked about AJ Brown and Philly and he's very

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Speaker 3: political with his answer. As a wide receiver, again, you

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Speaker 3: were not a diva. AJ Brown certainly has given off

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Speaker 3: diva tendencies.

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Speaker 4: What do you do with the guy? Do you try

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Speaker 4: to trade him?

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Speaker 7: Do you just keep him?

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Speaker 3: Because something's going on in that locker room and nobody's

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Speaker 3: articulated it, but Jalen Hurts keeps getting asked about their friendship.

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Speaker 4: We don't see them kumbaya.

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Speaker 3: There's all these reports that one of them got engaged

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Speaker 3: and didn't invite the other to the party.

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Speaker 4: What are we doing here, Greg?

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Speaker 3: Don't we moving on from AJ Brown or keeping him?

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Speaker 6: Look, only time will tell.

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Speaker 11: I think if you're if you're Howie Roseman and you're

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Speaker 11: getting calls on AJ Brown, which I assume he will

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Speaker 11: be getting calls on AJ Brown. They got calls on

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Speaker 11: AJ Brown this season, and he decided to hold on

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Speaker 11: to him, which I thought was the best decision moving

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Speaker 11: forward for this this season. However, now you're looking at

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Speaker 11: a situation where you know you're going to have a

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Speaker 11: different play caller. I'm not so quick to just say,

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Speaker 11: you know what, we'll deal AJ Brown. Now, if you're

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Speaker 11: going to get a hal in a great deal of

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Speaker 11: assets in dealing AJ Brown, then you're going to entertain

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Speaker 11: that you're going to take those calls. You're going to

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Speaker 11: see what's out there. But it's not. Everybody makes it

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Speaker 11: seem like it's just easy to you know what, we

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Speaker 11: got to get this guy out because he's disrupting who

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Speaker 11: we are and what we want to be. No, he's

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Speaker 11: the voice of the locker room. Like you can call

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Speaker 11: it diva if you want to. And I think some

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Speaker 11: of his some of what he's done has been kind

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Speaker 11: of across the line, so to speak. However, there is

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Speaker 11: always a voice in the locker room. There are much

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Speaker 11: more guys that feel the same way that AJ Brown

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Speaker 11: feels in that locker room that are unwilling to speak

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Speaker 11: up because of a guy like AJ Brown who is

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Speaker 11: willing to speak up. So, despite what we may believe,

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Speaker 11: those are the facts, Like that is what happens in

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Speaker 11: locker rooms, and so you don't just dismiss a guy

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Speaker 11: just because we don't like the way he handles all

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Speaker 11: the things when he is as valuable and as productive

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Speaker 11: as AJ Brown.

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Speaker 3: All right, ninety seconds or less, I got to wrap

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Speaker 3: up with Aaron Rodgers questions that you guys are linked forever,

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Speaker 3: just kidding. Pittsburgh Steelers job comes open. Tomlin steps down

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Speaker 3: even if Roger stays, and I don't think you will.

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Speaker 4: Is this a good job?

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Speaker 3: And get beyond the owner. Look at the blue chip

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Speaker 3: talent or lack thereof. Look at the second oldest roster

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Speaker 3: in the league, no path to a franchise quarterback. I'm

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Speaker 3: hearing rumors that they really like Will Howard, the guy

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Speaker 3: from Ohio State that smells like a tank.

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Speaker 4: To me, what do you make of this Pittsburgh opening?

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Speaker 11: Look, I think it's one of the best openings out there.

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Speaker 11: Obviously you got Lamar and the Ravens opening that's still available.

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Speaker 11: But you talk about what they have an aging roster.

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Speaker 11: You can turn that around. If you have a coach

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Speaker 11: that comes in with a vision, you know you going

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Speaker 11: to have time. If you don't have a quarterback, the

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Speaker 11: next best thing for an organization to offer you is time.

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Speaker 11: Time to create your plan, execute your plan, implement that vision.

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Speaker 11: And we've seen it time and time again with the Ravens.

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Speaker 11: Obviously with the Steelers, they give.

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Speaker 6: A long runway.

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Speaker 11: Now, how it works out is depending on who you

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Speaker 11: bring in and the plan that they implement. But you

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Speaker 11: have you're looking at everything as an asset right now. Tjatt,

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Speaker 11: Jalen Ramsey, all these high number, high ticket guys, you're

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Speaker 11: not tied to them necessarily. You can you can ship them,

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Speaker 11: or I shouldn't even say ship them.

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Speaker 6: You can deal them.

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Speaker 11: You can take calls, people will answer the phone.

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Speaker 3: I'm shipping TJ. Watt FedEx, Greg Jennings, great styles. Always

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Speaker 3: catch them on first things first after us, have a

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Speaker 3: great weekend, Greg, Are you too, j Mac