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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Chris Raybond of the Action Network in

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Speaker 2: Fantasy ABS, and I'm joined by one of the top

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Speaker 2: rankers in the game, one of the most accurate in

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Speaker 2: the Bays Odds maker, Sean Kerner.

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Speaker 1: Sean, what's going on? What's up?

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Speaker 1: So that was cool. But appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: And in this episode, we're going to break down fantasy

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Speaker 2: tight ends. And it's an interesting year for tight ends,

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Speaker 2: you know, Travis Kelcey not the consensus number one, I

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Speaker 2: twelve talk about anybody outside you know, more late round

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Speaker 2: guys that we like as well, and Sean, I just

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Speaker 2: want to ask you before we go player by player

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Speaker 2: in general, what is your tight end strategy been for

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Speaker 2: this season and how does it How are you prioritizing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very interesting this year, as you alluded to,

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Speaker 3: you know, Travis Kelce isn't the consensus tight end one

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Speaker 3: that's interesting in itself. I'm finding, you know, tight end

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Speaker 3: I think it's up for debate, which you know four

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Speaker 3: So I think it kind of allows you to wait

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Speaker 3: I found it it's something that if I'm able to

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Speaker 3: usually let somebody else take the first tight end off

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Speaker 3: But again we'll talk about some of these guys in

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Speaker 3: the tight end three to tight end like eight range.

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Speaker 3: I think that's probably the sweet spot. And then after that,

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Speaker 3: and then there might be some flyers later on. But

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Speaker 2: So would you say it's fair to say you are

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Speaker 3: Think that's always kind of how I've approached it, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, tight end, it's usually going to fall off

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think he should be ranked number one,

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Speaker 2: Kelsey mentioned the age entering his age thirty five season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So last year, you know, Laporta finishes the tight

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Speaker 2: much of that was they just need like Kyler was

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Speaker 3: I think he is absolutely in the discussion for tight

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00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 3: end three. He's actually my tight end four. But I

435
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 3: agree he probably he probably has the lowest floor out

436
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 3: of all these guys we're talking about. So yeah, maybe

437
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: the widest range of outcomes, and yeah, three seasons in

438
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 3: he has failed to live up to his hype. But

439
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 3: I think he's been held back to to you know,

440
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 3: poor quarterback play, the scheme and injuries so far. So

441
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 3: all of that could change this year under the new

442
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 3: coaching regime and more importantly just having a viable quarterback

443
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 3: like Kirk Cousins under center. So he's still only going

444
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 3: to be twenty four this season. We have to remembers

445
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: Kelsey didn't catch his first NFL pass until he was

446
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 3: twenty five, so Pitts is still very young and still

447
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: entering his prime. So I don't think I've ever really

448
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,959
Speaker 3: been high on Pits. I was always pretty cautious with them,

449
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 3: but I think this is a year I might be

450
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 3: a little bit ahead of ADP. Again, I haven't tight

451
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 3: end forced. I think now is the time to invest

452
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 3: in them. And you know, he has tight end one

453
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 3: overall upside too if everything clicks in Atlanta. So he's

454
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 3: one of those guys where I'd be willing to roll

455
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 3: the dice. I still think he has a pretty solid floor,

456
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 3: but I would agree that out of all the guys

457
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 3: were discussing about, you know, tight ends, three through eight,

458
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 3: he might have the widest range of outcomes, but I

459
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 3: think at tight end six he's absolutely worth it.

460
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense, you know, I think six, six

461
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: or seven.

462
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 2: I just the the only guy I really don't want

463
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 2: to take him over is a guy like Kink because

464
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 2: I feel like both of those guys. Yeah, there's like

465
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 2: some projection involved, but again it's like Pitts. I think

466
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: Pitt's has more competition for targets just with Drake London

467
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: there and Bejon there, but he could definitely be like

468
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: the next Hockinson in that offense. So yeah, I think

469
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: I think he's a little he's a little safer this year,

470
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Speaker 2: and I think the ceiling is probably even higher without

471
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Speaker 2: without these Arthur smith shenanigans going on.

472
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, before.

473
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Speaker 2: We move on to tight ends seven through twelve, just

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Speaker 2: All right, Evan Ingram is the tight end seven one

488
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: hundred and forty three targets last year one hundred and

489
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: fourteen catches. Kind of went under the radar a little

490
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: bit because he only average eight point four yards per catch,

491
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: only caught four touchdowns, but the volume was there. He

492
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: is entering his age thirty season. How much of that

493
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 2: volume you think repeats from last year.

494
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the volume is definitely bankable and he's

495
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: a very safe play. He was very much a high floor,

496
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: lower ceiling player last year. He finished inside the top

497
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: twenty four tight ends eighty four percent of the time

498
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: last year, which led the position, so very high flour,

499
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 3: but he only finished in the top twelve just thirteen

500
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 3: percent of the time that ranked tied for eighteenth, and

501
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: that's kind of what you were talking about. He averaged

502
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: just eight point four yards per catch, only scored four touchdowns,

503
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: you know, both of those figures. He could see some

504
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: positive aggression and be even better this year and have

505
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: more of a you know, weekly ceiling. But I think

506
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: we can expect, you know, roughly a similar type of role,

507
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: similar type of numbers this year, just really steady production

508
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: that's probably better for you know, season long, head to

509
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 3: head full PPR formats. So he's my tight end eight.

510
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: You know, in best ball, we'll talk about him next.

511
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 3: But in basketball, I much rather have George Kittle, and

512
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: maybe in season long head to head formats, i'd rather

513
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: have Evan Ingram. So I think when you're debating between

514
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: these two guys, it really comes down to which format

515
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: you're drafting in.

516
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kiddo is a little more unpredictable, but he does

517
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: have you know that high ceiling, can score multiple touchdowns

518
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: in a game, put up hundred yard plus games. Uh So, Yeah,

519
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: Kittle Titan eight last year. I mean, he pretty much

520
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: outproduced Debo and catches per game in yards per game,

521
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: he had four point one for sixty four, Deebo four

522
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: point zero for sixty and with one fewer touchdowns, So

523
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: I think he also becomes massively intriguing if you know,

524
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: something goes on with Taiyuk or anything like that. But uh, yeah,

525
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: you're you're essentially looking at Kittle as as more of

526
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: a best ball half PPR guy, and then Ingram is

527
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: the full.

528
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Kittle is a really good best ball type

529
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: of option. He finished in the top twenty four just

530
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 3: sixty three percent of the time. That ranked nineteen last year,

531
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: but finished top twelve forty four percent of the time,

532
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: which led the position, and he was third and best

533
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 3: ball points outed per game. So he's he's the type

534
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: of tight end. He just has a wide range of

535
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: outcomes every week just due to this forty nine ers

536
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: offense having so many different weapons being very efficient. But

537
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: you know, they do have a lower volume, so it

538
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: seems like one or two of those guys every week

539
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: is left hold in the bag. So he's a little

540
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 3: bit tougher in you know, season long, head to head formats,

541
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: trying to figure out when he's gonna have those weeks

542
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 3: for his best all. You don't care, You just take

543
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: the like beaks when they come, and I think he

544
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: has some sneaky upside at ADP right now, considering, I

545
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: guess there's still a slight chance to Brandon now he

546
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 3: gets traded away, that would certainly raise Kittle's weekly floor

547
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: and he would still have the massive ceiling. So I

548
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: think right now, if you can get Kittled tight end

549
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: eight really in any format, I think he's definitely worth it,

550
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: because again there is a chance eight you gets traded away,

551
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: and that would only bump up Kittle in my projections.

552
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Kiddle down here.

553
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: You know, eight seven other tight ends off the board

554
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: and you could get Kiddled.

555
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: It's pretty good value.

556
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: Tighten nine is Jake Ferguson had a really good year

557
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: too for the Cowboys. One hundred two targets, seventy one catches,

558
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: seven hundred and sixty one yards, five touchdowns in his

559
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: age twenty four season. Now, Cowboys did looks like there's

560
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: gonna be a downgrade to the run game with Poward

561
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: and gone and the O line as well. You know,

562
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: there could be some I mean there's some new faces there,

563
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: and you know Michael Gallup has gone as well, So

564
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: I mean all in all you could, I think could

565
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: probably see this passing game rely on Ferguson even more

566
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: than it did last year. But what do you think

567
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: for Ferguson entering year three? Yeah, yeah, he's definitely a

568
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: top ten type of guy. And if you remember the

569
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: first handful of games last season, we were trying to

570
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: figure out long with the Cowboys who was going to

571
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: replace Dalton Schultz in this offense. So they you know,

572
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: Ferguson certainly led a three way committee with Peyton hender

573
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: Shot Luke Screonmaker. It wasn't really until after the Week

574
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: seven by that he really did take over as the

575
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: clear tight end average and eighty one percent routes run

576
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: rate from Week eight on, I think that best represents

577
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: what to expect this year. He was eighth and points

578
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: per game from that stretch on, So I think that

579
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: that's absolutely what we can you know, project for him.

580
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: This year should only get better.

581
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: You know, now he has the full offseason, knowing he's

582
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: the top tight end, probably just going to be even

583
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: better in year three. So I agree, I think this

584
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: this Cowboys offense could be even more reliant on the

585
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 3: passing game and with defenses, you know, maybe double teaming

586
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: Lamb that could just open up Ferguson even more. So, Yeah,

587
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: I have him right here at tight end nine. And

588
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: I really think, you know, fergus and Joku are kind

589
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: of like the mini tier. Once these two guys are

590
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: off the board, I think this position really opens up.

591
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 3: So I think these these next two tight ends are

592
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: your last chance to really grab you know, a tight

593
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: end one in my opinion.

594
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Ferguson shouldn't forget either that. You know, he's

595
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: only twenty five this year, and he caught three touchdowns

596
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: on ten receptions in that playoff Loster Green Bay. So

597
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: even though he had five on seventy one er in

598
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: the regular season, his touchdown upside is probably a little

599
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: bit higher than you know, his regular season numbers give

600
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: him credit for as well.

601
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's a guy.

602
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: Who probably is gonna just be the new Dualt and Sults,

603
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: you know, just be a big part of that that

604
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: cowboy offense. And there's not you know, Brandon Cooks is

605
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: a little bit older, Colbert is unestablished, and now they

606
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: don't really have a go to pass catcher the same

607
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: way they might have had with Power.

608
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, like I think Ferguson's arrow is pointing up.

609
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: And the reason I like him more than a guy

610
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: like in Joku is just because Joker. You also have

611
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: to question, like, you know, was it Flacco and Kenny?

612
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: Can you do the same thing with Watson? Whereas Ferguson,

613
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: you know, is obviously Dak all year. But let's talk

614
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: about Najoku. So he with Joe Flacco, he played five games,

615
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: average nine targets, six catches, seventy eight yards and had

616
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: four touchdowns in those five games.

617
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: And then every.

618
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: With everyone else, which there were some that wasn't just DeShawn,

619
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: with some other not as good as Deshaun starting quarterbacks,

620
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: but overall seven targets, four point six catches, forty five

621
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: yards per game, and just point eighteen touchdowns per game,

622
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: a drop off of about of over eight PPR points

623
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: and in over seven know, yeah, over eight of half

624
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: hand full PPR points compared to Flacco.

625
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: So you know what you what is the real Najoku

626
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: I guess for this year is my question?

627
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, who the hell knows? But I think you hit

628
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: the nail on the head. The fact that you have

629
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: to ask that, I mean, you should probably draft Ferguson

630
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: ahead of him, because there's really no question there. We

631
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: know he's probably going to be the number two target

632
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: in that offense, whereas Najoku. When you're talking about that

633
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: that final five games stretch, I mean, it's one of

634
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: those things where we talk about the watching the player

635
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: absolutely matches up with the numbers. When you were watching him,

636
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: he looked like the best touchdown in the league. Like

637
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: he legit, we've known he has that sort of upside. Unfortunately,

638
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: it was Joe Flacco that unlock that. And like you said,

639
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: with the five games with Deshaun Watson, he only averaged

640
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: one point seven best ball points out per game that

641
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: would have ranked twenty seconds. So you just have to

642
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: figure maybe it's somewhere in the middle there, maybe closer

643
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: to his floor. Who knows, but that that does give

644
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 3: me some pause taking him inside the top nine. But

645
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: and you know, Jerry Judy might ding his his target

646
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: share slightly. So unfortunately, it does depend on if you

647
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: think Deshaun Watson can even remotely return to the form

648
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: we saw with the Texans, and as we talked about,

649
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: we I don't even know if that's possible at this point.

650
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: So well, I think, unfortunately you have to ding the Joku,

651
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: not for him per se, but because of Deshaun Watson.

652
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: So that's why I think tight end ten makes sense.

653
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: It'd be hard to take, you know, a guy like

654
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: Brock Bowers ahead of him. We'll talk about him in

655
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: a second, but I think Joku should be, you know,

656
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: the tight end ten. But I'd much rather have someone

657
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: like Ferguson because there's a little bit more certainly there.

658
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, the floor is just lower with

659
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: the Jokers and Ferguson, even if maybe the media and

660
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: ceilings are similar. Uh, and then then it kind of

661
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 2: like you said, all bets are off once you get

662
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: to tight end eleven. Rock Bauers obviously uber talented guy.

663
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: You know, went in the first half of the first round,

664
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: but you know, there are some knocks. He is a rookie,

665
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: and that doesn't mean as much anymore with the way

666
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: you know, teams are just kind of using these these

667
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: moves tight ends in the passing game. But there's also

668
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: an alpha wide receiver one there for now in DeVante Adams.

669
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: Another highly drafted tight end there and Michael Mayer, who's

670
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: only you know from the year before, and then one

671
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: of the worst quarterback situations in the league with O'Connell

672
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: and minshew, the Pierce like we wants to you know

673
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: or not likely he wants to be a run heavy

674
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: kind of defensive minded team. So you know, given all that,

675
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: what what are we really like? How is Bowers Because

676
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: some people might not even be that familiar with him. Uh,

677
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, how how is he getting this tight end

678
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: eleven spot in AP and do you think he should

679
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: be going there?

680
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: There's there's a case for other guys.

681
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's being drafted tight end eleven because of just

682
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: his raw potential. He is one of the top tight

683
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: end prospects we've ever seen, possibly since Kyle Pitts, and

684
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: he just has massive upside. He could easily become a

685
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: top five tight end in the league as soon as

686
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: his rookie season. I think last season with you know,

687
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: Sam laporta Daltonton kid, really just hitting the ground running

688
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: as rookies. We've seen these talented rookies not see the

689
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: slagash start we're kind of use to seeing. When it

690
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: comes to you know, college tight ends converting to the NFL.

691
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: A lot of these guys are just excellent pass catchers

692
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: and they just hit the grand running that's gonna be

693
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: Rock Bowers, But I didn't love the landing spot. As

694
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: you mentioned, you know, under pierced this this could be

695
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: a much more run heavy, defensive minded Raiders team. They

696
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: already had an up and coming tight end and Michael Mayer,

697
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: so I don't know how that's gonna work out necessarily.

698
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: They already have an alpha wide receiver and DeVante Adams.

699
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: Even Jacoby Myers really does command a pretty high target share,

700
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: and this is you know, one of the worst quarterback

701
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: situations in the league with Gardner Minshew and An O'Connell.

702
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: So while I love Bowers as a talent and I

703
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: get why he's tight end eleven, I still think there's

704
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: quite a bit a drop off from even tight end

705
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: ten to eleven. So I usually like to have a

706
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: tight end before, you know, we get to this part

707
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: of the draft. But maybe he'll have a Daltonton Kaid

708
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: type season if you know, DeVante Adams or Jacoby Myers

709
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: or Michael Mayer miss his time or something like that.

710
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: But I think everyone's healthy. If this situation is what

711
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: I think it'll be, I think that's going to hurt

712
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: him in the long run. But down the road, it

713
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: would not shock me if he does turn into a

714
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: top five annually. You know, Dancy tight End.

715
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he might be might be a year away.

716
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: But you know, we already mentioned it kind of after

717
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 2: the top ten guys.

718
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of kind of taking a fire here a

719
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: little bit.

720
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: So if you're looking for the ceiling instead of the floor,

721
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: I can't blame you, but I think the floor version

722
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: of it would were not the floor version of him,

723
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: but the floor play in this range would be Dallas

724
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: Goddard at tight End twelve. He's a he's a more

725
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: of a high floor, low ceiling guy.

726
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: Crazy.

727
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: In six years, he never has cracked sixty receptions and

728
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: he's never had more than five touchdowns.

729
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: So that's kind of.

730
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 3: Crazy to think about for some of that, right, Yeah.

731
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: I mean God was always in the mix of you know,

732
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 2: this tight End one mix, so it's kind of crazy

733
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: to think that he never put up had a season

734
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 2: with better numbers. You know, you have Brown, you have Smith,

735
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: and then you have Hurt Scrambling. I think all those

736
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: things kind of capt his ceiling a little bit. But

737
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: you do have the lack of a number three wide receiver.

738
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean I think it's Paris Campbell right now that

739
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: kind of keeps his floor intact. He would obviously benefit

740
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: I think from some some touchdown walk given that his

741
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: career high five or some injury luck. You know, brown

742
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: Smith been pretty healthy over the last couple.

743
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: Of years, So.

744
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, overall, how do you look at Goddard and

745
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: do you think there's a case for taking him over

746
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: a guy like Bowers?

747
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, Goddard, it's essentially Evan Ingram, but

748
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: with a little bit less bankable volume. So he's going

749
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: to give you fairly steady production week to week, but

750
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: only average ten yards of catch, only score three touchdowns,

751
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: and you just have to wonder, if you know the

752
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: Eagles is being so successful to push, especially near the

753
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: goal line, is part of why his touch on the

754
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: upside is limited. And it's hard to see that really

755
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: seeing too much positive regression. But I think this is

756
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: this is right about the time you should take him.

757
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: I think I'd rather take a flyer on Bauer's upside.

758
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: Bowers still has more upside than Goddard, I think, so

759
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: I would still lean Bowers. But Goddard, again, he's going

760
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: to provide you that steady weekly floor, so he's more

761
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 3: of a solid play and season long head to head

762
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: formats PPR, he's maybe a little less valuable, but again

763
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: he's after him. I would say, depending on how many

764
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: games you think TJ. Hawkinson's gonna play this year, I

765
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: think there's another you know, slight drop off once Goddard's

766
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: off the board. So I do think you know, Bowers

767
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: and Goddard a sort of their mini tier maybe with

768
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: Hawkinson in there. So I think it is important if

769
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: you missed out on a tight end the first ten,

770
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: to maybe take one of these guys because this position

771
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: does take a slight dip and then it's wide open.

772
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 3: I think you have ten to twelve viable tight ends

773
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: after this that you can make the case for. But

774
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: I do like, you know, Goddard when he goes to

775
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 3: you know, tight end twelve slot.

776
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean.

777
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: The one thing with you know, his raw volume numbers,

778
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: he does dant a benefit from Kellen Moore's potentially increased pace,

779
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: you know more, he's been a top five and pace

780
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: every year, so now he's with the Eagles, So something

781
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: as simple as that, you know, could could kind of

782
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: help out Goddard. So yeah, I think season long, ibably

783
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: like him ahead of Bowers just because I mean Bowers,

784
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: you could Bowers can have a Michael Mayer like season

785
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: as well, for all you know, Like that's in his

786
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: range of outcomes where I think there is more of

787
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: a floor. So I think best balls where I really

788
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: want Bowers. But then the problem with that is you're

789
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: not really trying to stack either of those greater quarterbacks stack.

790
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's tough.

791
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's Bowers probably just like like on his

792
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: compared to his actual range of outcomes, he's probably a

793
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: little bit overvalued, but you know, the ceiling is there,

794
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: whereas Goddar, you know, he's you kind of know what

795
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: you're getting there.

796
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's tough. But yeah, I think the more

797
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: the more I could, more risk I want to take on.

798
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: That's where I'll take a guy like Bowers.

799
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: But if I just need to, if I just have

800
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: a really good team and I just need a high

801
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: floor tight end, I'd probably go Goddard. Okay, let's look

802
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: at guys real quick outside the top twelve. If you

803
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: miss out one of those guys and you mentioned you

804
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: don't even really want to miss out in the top nine,

805
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: or ten. But if you do, who's the guy you

806
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: know outside that top twelve that you're targeting.

807
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is this is a range. Every

808
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: year there's two three league winners, So a couple of

809
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: guys like in that tight end twenty range I like

810
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: to have like really good upside to be Kate Otton.

811
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: You know, he he sees a ton.

812
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: Of playing time, you know, around ninety percent routes on rate,

813
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: but his upside was capped last year because Mike Evans

814
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: and Chris Godden played, you know, all seventeen games. So

815
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: if either one of those guys were to have you

816
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: miss any time, Auton's going to get a boost and become,

817
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: you know, a top two target in this offense. So

818
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 3: I think he's priced about right at tight end twenty one,

819
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: but has a higher ceiling than other guys in this range.

820
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: I think you could say the same thing about Tyler Conklin,

821
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: where you know, he didn't score a single touchdown last year,

822
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: but that that'll change with Aaron Rodgers under center, so

823
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: he has some sneaky touch you know, touchdown upside there.

824
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: I think way later on, the last guy I want

825
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: to talk about is Mike is SICKI around tight end

826
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 3: twenty nine. I think he is a decent flyer because

827
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 3: he's bounced around the past couple of years. He wasn't

828
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: a good fit in the the McDaniel's offense in Miami,

829
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: so he was shipped to you know, New England, played

830
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: behind Hunter Henry. That wasn't a good fit at all.

831
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 3: But I think as upside in the Bengals offense, especially

832
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: with you know, Tyler Boyd Gone. There's an open competition

833
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: right now for the number three wide receiver role, but

834
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: that could actually be Gasecki in this offense. So anytime

835
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: you could potentially get Joe Burrow's number three target, I

836
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: think it's worth a flyer. And I think you know,

837
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: tight end twenty nine, Gasiki, he's still one of the

838
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: better pass catching tight ends. He has some upside I

839
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: think in that range. I definitely think he's worth a

840
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: flyer in best ball.

841
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he is intriguing and just like for free

842
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: in best ball, especially if you're building up Burrow stacks. Anyway,

843
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: I like another guy like you know, if I don't

844
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: want to, I agree, I don't want to miss out

845
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: on the tight end one tier. But Donald Saltz actually

846
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: is pretty interesting to me because you know, he's still

847
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: only twenty eight, so he's still in his prime. He's

848
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: attached to an elite quarterback, and you know he could

849
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: actually benefit from all the attention you know, Dell Collin

850
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs draw because at this range, you're you're kind

851
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 2: of going a little bit touchdown chase and you're not

852
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: expecting anyone here to get massive volume. So I think,

853
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of touchdown upside being attached to

854
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: c J. Stroud playing a ton of games indoors. His

855
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: route participation rate was around seventy three percent last year,

856
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: which is pretty good, pretty on the high end of

857
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: tight end. So I don't mind some some Dalton Schultz.

858
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: You know, I know people are going to kind of

859
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: be scared off because you know, Dell and is going

860
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: to be healthy, Digs is there, But I think that

861
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: could actually help him compared to you know, other guys

862
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: in this range, which the quarterback situation is usually not

863
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: nearly as good.

864
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Like when.

865
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 3: You're trying to project the Texans receivers, it is tricky

866
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how this is going to sort

867
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: out with Diggs, Nico Tank Dell. But when it comes

868
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: to tight end, we know that Dalton Schultz is going

869
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: to be right around five routes on rate, So he

870
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 3: does that have that stability and you know, a cheap

871
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: way to invest in this Texans passing attack.

872
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: And our guy David, our producer d Paine, he also

873
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: wants he he wants to know about Taysum. You know

874
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: Taysom I think is always kind of an interesting one.

875
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: He's going around tight end eighteen right now.

876
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: You know, do you think he has or what do

877
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: you think his value is going to be this season?

878
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: You know what what's changed in New Orleans from last

879
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: year and how are you kind of projecting him going forward?

880
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's always worth a flyer in that range,

881
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 3: is given his his massive upside last year he finishes

882
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: the tight end twelve. However, I think most most of

883
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 3: his value I think comes from when he's a runner,

884
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: especially near the goal line. I think when they line

885
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: him up as a true tight end, his value does

886
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: take a hit. So with him kind of have to

887
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: monitor Juwan Johnson's status. He is dealing with the knee injury.

888
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: I think you have like a Nie scope, so his

889
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: week one like his week one status might be in doubt.

890
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: So if they have to use Taysom as more of

891
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: a traditional tight end, I think that might ding him,

892
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: so that that's something worth monitoring. But yeah, I don't know, Like,

893
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: do you know how they intend to use Taysom this year?

894
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be more of the same or are

895
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: they going to start to dial back with him.

896
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: That I think there's a there's a definitely a bigger

897
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: risk that they dial it back with him, only because

898
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: you had you know, Peyton and Carmichael. You know, Peyton

899
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: was the coach, Carmichael was the OC for a number

900
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: of years. Then Peyton moves on, but carmichaels still there.

901
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: Now.

902
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: They also got rid of Carmichael, so they got a

903
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator, a Clint Kubiak. So you're gonna have

904
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: a different scheme change. You know, Kubiak is not necessarily

905
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: married to Taysom or anything like that.

906
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: The way you know the other guys were. So there

907
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: is some downside.

908
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, if Taysoum is

909
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: the number one tight end because or then at least

910
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: the number one receiving tight end because of Johnson's absence.

911
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: I used to start the year that that's also intriguing.

912
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: So I would say, I think, you know, the the

913
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: ceiling is similar, but the floor is probably even lower

914
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: for Hill, but that doesn't really matter at tight end eighteen.

915
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would, especially with Johnson's status in doubt,

916
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: I would take some I would take some flyers on

917
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: him because he's one of the few guys I think

918
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: that has, you know, outside the top ten, that really

919
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: has that league winning upside and it's already kind of obvious.

920
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: It's not like, oh man, you know, you have to

921
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: really like squint to see.

922
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: It like we've seen it with him. So yeah, I

923
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: think he's worth some flyers.

924
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: But just keep in mind that the fact that Carlmichael's gone,

925
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: you also could have a lot different role.

926
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: And and best ball specifically, have you gotten good at

927
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: like trying to predict when he's going to go off

928
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: or is it a crap shoot every week? I think

929
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: it's a crap shoot.

930
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's it's a crap shoot. Especially well now

931
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: it's because again like now, because you have none of

932
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: the same regime, I think it could change. But yeah,

933
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: I think it's usually usually when he's had like a

934
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: couple of quiet games is when you'd expect him to

935
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: go off last year, like and then when he had

936
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: a good game, then it was like the next week

937
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: they would kind of let the defense plan for it

938
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: and nothing would happen. So yeah, he is kind of

939
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: a best ball pick. But then you know, I mean,

940
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: how many how much Derek Carr are you really stacking?

941
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a weird situation. He's you're not gonna

942
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: have him on too many teams. But I do think

943
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: the upside, especially with Johnson, you know, health and doubt.

944
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: I think there is there. He is worth some fires.

945
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 2: But just keep in mind that there's a new regime

946
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 2: and it could get really ugly at the same time.

947
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,960
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