1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: It's time for episode four of the Dave Pash Podcast. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Hi everybody, I'm your host, Dave Pash, ESPN announcer and 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals play by play voice. If you've missed the 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: three previous episodes, check out entertaining conversations with Pro Football 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Kurt Warner, All Pro safety Buddha Baker, 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: and Cardinals head coach Cliff Kingsbury. We are presented by 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: bet MGM, official sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: and Hila River Hotels and Casinos. You can follow along 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: on Twitter at pash pod for information on future guests. 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: Today we talk with a groundbreaking broadcaster, Mina Kimes, full 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: time NFL analyst at ESPN. Mina has had a really 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: interesting and unique path to ESPN. Her background includes playing 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: soccer at Mesquite High School in Gilbert, Arizona. There are 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: also parts of her life that have nothing to do 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: with sports, particularly in her profession, and we'll get into that. 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: We will, of course get into Mina's thoughts on the NFL, 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: the NFC West, and the Arizona Cardinals. Plus a tweet 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: from Mina about Kyler Murray and Rondale Moore that went viral. 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: So here she is ESPN NFL analyst Mina Kimes. So, Mina, 20 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: First of all, you have ties to Arizona. I'm curious 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: about your journey here. You moved around a lot when 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: you were young. How did you get to Arizona? What 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: did you think of it? When you lived here? You 24 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: went to high school in Gilbert, and then why'd you leave? 25 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: So I moved to Arizona right before high school from Virginia. 26 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: Had not lived here, and it was because my dad 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: had retired from the military and got a job working 28 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: for Lucky Martin in Arizona, so we moved here. I'd 29 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: lived in a sillion places on account of the military thing, 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: but I had never lived in the Southwest, and as 31 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: a kid, I think I I liked it. It was 32 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: very different from Virginia, Michigan, Washington, Nebraska where I was born. 33 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: You know, the desert isn't really unlike anywhere else. But 34 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: but but I love it. And like you said, I 35 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: lived in Gilbert, went to Mesquite High School, which at 36 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: the time was very new ago Wildcast has now been 37 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: around for a minute. I guess, however, a old I am. 38 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, So when people ask me where I'm from. 39 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: I often tell them Arizona because m Davis where I 40 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: lived the longest, and I only left to go to college, 41 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: So I don't give away your age and say when 42 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: you went there, were the Were the Cardinals good when 43 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: you were in high school? Uh? Yeah, yeah, we were talking. 44 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: My brother and I were talking about that with the 45 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: Sun's success, because um, it had been so long since. 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: Uh we weren't Sweden grew up Suns fans, but we 47 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: were thinking back to kind of a different Arizona sports teams. 48 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: And there is also peaked Diamond back years while I 49 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: was there. But yeah, you know, some ups and downs, 50 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: I'll put that way. Were you a Cardinal fan? Because 51 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: I know now you're a Seahawk fan. Were you always 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: a Seahawks fan or was there a time where you 53 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: rooted for the Cardinals when you lived here? Yeah? I 54 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: was always Seattle fan. So that's not just Seahawks, Mariners, 55 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: University of Washington. My brother went to a sc by 56 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: the way, but yeah, Sonics when I was very young 57 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: and Seahawks from day one. Did you know when you 58 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: were young that you wanted a career in sports. We'll 59 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: get into a little bit you know, the transition you 60 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: made from a non sports field to a sports field, 61 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: still in journalism, but totally different things you were covering. 62 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: Were you a big sports fan, did you play sports? 63 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: Did you want a career in sports when you're growing up? So? 64 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: I played soccer growing up, and I played soccer at 65 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: Mesquite High school actually, but now I never thought I 66 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: would work in sports as an analyst or even a reporter. 67 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a writer growing up, and that's 68 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: why I do. Out of college. You know, worked as 69 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: a business journalist, but I had I'd never planned on 70 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: working in sports or even football. It was just a 71 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: hobby and a passion of mine. And I knew about 72 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: the business journalist background fortune in Bloomberg, right, that's where 73 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: you work, that's right, prior to coming to ESPN. So 74 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: how did you like, How did that come about? Going 75 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: from being a business journalist to not only being a 76 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: journalist in the sports field, but now being an analyst, 77 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: being an ESPN NFL analyst. Yeah, so ESPN the magazine, 78 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: which I think is the same more. But they approached 79 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: me and when I was at Bloomberg News an investigative reporter, 80 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: and asked if i'd be interested in kind of doing 81 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: the same thing, writing features and calm, but writing about sports. 82 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: They knew I had an interest in football because I 83 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: had written a personal essay about football and all my 84 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: social media was football football stuff, so I decided to 85 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: make the leap after they hit me up. And then 86 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: a couple of years into writing about football, I started 87 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: doing podcasting and radio really about football, fantasy football, and 88 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: that's sort of how I made the transition from writing 89 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: to being also an opinionator at ESPN, panelists on Around 90 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: the Horn and shows like that. And then I guess 91 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: it was just a year ago switched full time from 92 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: doing a mixture of kind of everything to just doing 93 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: NFL Live, which is our daily NFL show, and then 94 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: doing my own football podcast, which is which has been 95 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: around for a while, but you know, it's been a 96 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: focus of mine now since then. How was it received? Look, 97 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: do I want to get in doors Burke in a 98 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: second is a great frint of word with her forever, 99 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: and in talking with her over the years, you know 100 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: there's times where you know her success wasn't received well 101 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: by a lot of people. I am curious because you're 102 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: the first ESPN NFL analysts who happens to be a female. 103 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: How was it received. I'm sure on social media you 104 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: get a mix, but you know, in terms of players coaches, 105 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: like what kind of feedback did you get? You know, 106 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: I would say this is a pretty big gap between players, coaches, 107 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: and people in the industry, and then social media people 108 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: are geting their opinions, often without names and faces that 109 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 1: you know, I've for the most part, really had great 110 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: relationships and feedback because I find, especially covering football, you know, 111 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: most people in arnously are just excited to talk about 112 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: the sport. And if you're passionate about hues and o's 113 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: and learning about the game and talking about it beyond 114 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: just you know, the hot takes, but kind of digging 115 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: into the game on a more granular level, I think 116 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: people are really receptive to that, and that's always been 117 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: my approach to it and why I love talking about it. 118 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: It's such a completed sport, there's always room to grow 119 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: and learn, and I, yeah, the reception has been great 120 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: even and for me, you know, I've learned a lot 121 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: on the fly, because not not just about the sport, 122 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: but about doing analysis on television, getting to do commentary. 123 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: I work with the Rams in the preseason. So I 124 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: guess I really am going all around the West these days. 125 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, for me, a lot, a lot of the 126 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: last couple of years, a few years have been spent 127 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: just learning those skills and not really learning the sport, 128 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: but learning how to talk about it in different ways. 129 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: What was it like on social media for you? You know, 130 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: I look at it sometimes, but I also am pretty 131 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: deliberate about not looking at it too much, which I 132 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: think is something a lot of people are in industry 133 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: have kind of. It's a process for all of us 134 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: and also people who play the sport and play any 135 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: professional sport, but covering it is can be such a 136 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: time stuck, right if you spend a lot of time 137 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: looking at it and I guess listening to it. So, 138 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, as i've I think my job has grown, 139 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: and I guess the number of people tchirving has grown. 140 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: I think I actually can weirdly look at it less 141 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: and less. The only times my social media blows up 142 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: two times working with Bill Walton for whatever reason, it 143 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: just blows up. And then doing a college football game 144 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: either in the SEC or at Ohio State, Michigan or Clemson, 145 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: like you get, I'm so much hate, I just try 146 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: to ignore it. So I can only imagine, like what 147 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: it's like when you're talking about the NFL, and you're 148 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: talking about it every day, how many people on Twitter 149 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: that you know just realize, Hey, I've got a free 150 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: shot here at me. At times, I'm gonna take it 151 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: because there's, you know, no repercussions. I think college football 152 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: fans are actually way more on the Internet and NFL 153 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: I'll say that. That's the impression I get, but that 154 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: of every sport, every and in a certain fan bases, 155 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: you just mentioned a couple of them where they are 156 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: very I think active would be the nicest way to 157 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: put it online. So I mentioned Doris earlier. So I've 158 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: been with the Cardinals. Is my twentieth year and a 159 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: ESPN for well two thousand and three. This will be 160 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: my eighteenth college football season coming up. Just finished my 161 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: fifteenth year on the NBA and a lot of those 162 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: years doing NBA. Doris has been an analyst with me. 163 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: I've done games with her college basketball. We did WNBA together, 164 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: not just at ESPN, but I remember when I was 165 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: doing games at Syracuse, I would drive down to New 166 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: York City and do Liberty games on the radio for 167 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: MSG Radio and Doris was the analyst. And this was 168 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: in the late nineties. So I've known Doris for twenty 169 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: five years. I've kind of watched her ascension. We're really 170 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: good friends. I have so much respect for her. I've 171 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: always said this, and I said this, you know, fifteen 172 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, that I felt Doris is as good 173 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: an analyst as anybody on any sport in our business. 174 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: What kind of an impact And I don't know if 175 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: you know Doris or have talked Doris at all, but 176 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, you know, what kind of an impact 177 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: has she had on your career? Yeah, well, I think 178 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: Doris has impacted a lot of women in our field 179 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: no matter what you do, whether you know, because she's 180 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: also held a lot of different roles. But for me personally, 181 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: the work she's done as an analyst has been not 182 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: only really inspiring and fun to watch and educational. I 183 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: just absolutely love when whenever I tune into a game 184 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: and hear her, I love I love it because I 185 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna I'm gonna learn something, and she's such 186 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: a good communicator. But you know, just kind of normalizing 187 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: that role, I think for me. You asked a little 188 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: bit about the feedback I get, and a lot of it. 189 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's just surprised and people say, thinking 190 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: you know something. I hear a lot as people say, 191 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: well who wrote that or where are you reading it? 192 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: It's like, no, I'm not a I'm not reading a 193 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: proptor to. But I think it's just an assumption people 194 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: make about especially in football, because, um, you know, Doris 195 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: covers a sport where I included. There's increasingly more than 196 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: ever female analysts in basketball, which is fantastic, especially at 197 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: ESPN on the shows I'm on, We're we have so 198 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: many wonderful women covering basketball in up and comers like 199 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: Cheney or blukay Monica mcnah. I mean, just it's wonderful 200 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: where in football, you know, I think we're still kind 201 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: of having women in roles other than being a reporter 202 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: or host is still pretty new. And yeah, you can 203 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: obviously I see the impact that Doris has had on basketball, 204 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll see that in football too soon. Yeah, 205 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: it's a great point because you've got a lot of 206 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: different basketball analysts. You mentioned she came on an NBA 207 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: broadcast with us for a couple of segments during the season. Uh, 208 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, I've done games with La China Robinson, Malika 209 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: did some games with Malika during the during the playoffs, 210 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: and obviously you know she did a great job on 211 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 1: the finals when you know she was reporting, Uh in 212 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: the finals, I thought she just did a phenomenal job. 213 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: But you're right, Football, you're the You're among the first, 214 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: if not the first, but hopefully, hopefully there'll be more. 215 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm curious about your your NFL Live crew because I've 216 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: known Laura for a long time, worked with Laura. She's 217 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: such a great talent. Orlovsky spears. You guys have great chemistry. 218 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: It's funny because I see you and Dan like you're 219 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: on the air together, and then you guys just tweeted 220 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: each other all the time. What's the what's the dynamic like? 221 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: Because it seems like you guys have great chemistry together 222 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: all of you. Thank you so much. I truly love 223 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: them all. And it's funny you mentioned that's tweeting each 224 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: other because that's like one twentieth of the actual dialogue 225 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: we have off air, which is you know, all of 226 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: us and then Ryan Clark as well, who's the regular show. 227 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: We just are constantly texting our thoughts and opinions about 228 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: things happening in football, and obviously goes crazy during the season. 229 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: We actually have football to talk about and not just storylines. 230 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: But I joke every morning during the season, I wake 231 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: up and I have like twenty clips from Dan and 232 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: I try to watch some of them, just of tape 233 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: that he's clipped off for me, and then I'll clip 234 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: something and send it to him. Just the other day, 235 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: I sent him something. It was a clip with Justin 236 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: Herbert making a play and he gets the Raiders and 237 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: he said, well, I already sent this to you. You 238 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: didn't see it. I'm like, no, I don't. One of 239 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: your twenty clips that you sent me at six am, 240 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: now I missed it. But it's really just part of 241 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: an ongoing conversation, like we're all really love the sport 242 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: and love talking to each other about it. Frankly, and 243 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: for me personally, the opportunity to talk to, you know, 244 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: these guys who are not only played the game, but 245 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: are specialists at you know, the position, like Dan asking 246 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: him questions about quarterback play is such a privilege for me. 247 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: Or if I have a question about like I don't 248 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: know a certain coverage shell. I can text Ryan or 249 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Dominique Fox for his and say what is this here? 250 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: And how you know what's going on? And have you 251 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: ever seen this team do this? And yeah, it's really 252 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: just wonderful. I feel like it is really just like 253 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: talking to your friends every day, but having people watch 254 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: it live on television. It's a lot of fun. The 255 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: only thing I could think of when you mentioned the clips, 256 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: sending the clips is Mike Tariko. He would show me 257 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: clips that Gruden would send him, like Gruden would send 258 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: him like multiple texts every day with all these clips 259 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: and Gruden narrating the clips, and you can imagine what 260 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: that sounds like, right, not for air, not for air 261 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: clips And he just said it was hilarious, so that 262 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: I could I could imagine. That's That's the thing that 263 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: was going through my mind. You mentioned earlier about doing 264 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: the RAMS games, doing games in the booth for the RAMS, 265 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: and I work with on multiple sports people that do 266 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: games and studio. So you're doing studio for ESPN games 267 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: for the RAMS. How do you like doing the game 268 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: broadcast first? And then tell me about the differences for 269 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: you like studio and games. Well, you know, covering preseason. 270 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: It's doing the preseason is very unique because it's just 271 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: a very different animal from regular season commentary in terms 272 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: of not only the players, but what you're watching, the stakes, 273 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: what you talk about during the game. You know, we're 274 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: not going to get as dialed in. Perhaps it is 275 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: actually a little bit more almost like studios than in 276 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: the regular game. Especially coach McBay doesn't play any of 277 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: the starters, so it is kind of it gives us 278 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: room to have fun. And Andrew Ciciliana, who does play 279 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: by play for the Rams, was just wonderful. But I've 280 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: really enjoyed just kind of learning how to do it. 281 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: The mechanics of it, as you know, are so different, 282 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: the timing of it. Being on a studio show, it's 283 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: a mixture of a conversation but also having kind of 284 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: an internal clock of giving opinions, and the way you 285 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: get opinions, the length of time you talk, the nature 286 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: of those opinions, whereas doing the games, it's so different 287 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: the kind of commentary that's relevant, how long you talk what. 288 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: So for me, it's really just been an educational process 289 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: because I've been doing studio shows for a while now 290 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty accustomed to it in different formats on ESPN, 291 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: but I'm very new to working games. I went to 292 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: school with Andrew Siciliano. So oh okay, yeah, I mean 293 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: that whole Syracuse thing, right, I mean, everybody seems like, 294 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: you know what's Syracuse. So it's probably though for an analyst, 295 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: because you know, we're all kind of trained the same way. 296 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: It's good because really, you know, the analyst, our job 297 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: is to set you guys up and to kind of 298 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: lead you certain places or follow up on something you 299 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: might say. So I'm sure Andrew's a great partner for you. Yeah, 300 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: he's the best. Um, So, would you want to call 301 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: more games? Like? You're right? Pre season is different. It's 302 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: more like a studio show, more of a talk show. 303 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: You're talking more about the players. I mean, Ron Wolfley 304 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: and I do the radio in the regular season, but 305 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: we do you know TV in the preseason, and you know, 306 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: so we're not just breaking down plays. You're doing more storytelling, 307 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: talking about you know, player. So would you want to 308 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: call more games where you are breaking down more plays? 309 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: Regular season games, playoff games? You know, I'd like to 310 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: get good at it from Yeah, let's lee out his 311 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: free season guys, but it's a great learning experience. All right. 312 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: So let's talk NFC West because we talked about your 313 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: time with the Rams and you know, obviously being a 314 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: big Seahawk fan in your connection to Arizona. So have you, 315 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: guys made predictions yet? Have you made your predictions on 316 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: what you think the NFC West will look like in 317 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one? Well, I did do an NFC West 318 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: preview pod on my football show, and I have the 319 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Rams taking the division. But you know, I joke all 320 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: the time, this division is like a healthscape. I mean, 321 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: I think that it is unanimously viewed nationally as the 322 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: best division in football. And you look at a team 323 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: like the Cardinals that you know, I think would be 324 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: a surefire playoff team and other divisions, and because they're 325 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: in the NFC West, it's going to be challenging, you know, 326 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: And you have to really it's a challenging schedule, the 327 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: level of competition, some of the even a team that 328 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:30,239 Speaker 1: has mate had some exciting offseason additions like Arizona. Hey, 329 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: you know that it's an uphill climb. So it's hard 330 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: for me. I feel like it's a division where like 331 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: the four teams really could finish into any order, and 332 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked. Like I said, I do have 333 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: the Rams winning it, but I would not be surprised 334 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: if they're on if another team comes out on top. Personally, 335 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: I feel the Rams are better suited to win the 336 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: whole thing than they were last year. And obviously, you know, 337 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: golf got hurt. But to me, Matthew staff Effort is 338 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the league. And 339 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: Sean McVay, the guy is brilliant. He is you know, 340 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: being around him, he knows everything that's going on with 341 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: the team, but when it comes to quarterbacks, he's the man. 342 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Is that one of the reasons why you think the 343 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: Rams are going to win the division because of the 344 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: addition of Stafford or is it something else in your mind? Yeah, 345 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: I do. I think you know, that was sort of 346 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: the single biggest issue with the team. I'm a little 347 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: bit wary of defensive regression with some of the losses 348 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: that they've had, not just a defensive coordinator Brandon Staley, 349 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, a cross town but losing John Johnson and 350 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: Troy Hill, two of the more underrated dvs in particularly 351 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: Johnson in the NFL Brockers have become. These guys aren't 352 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: really big names, but when you've got a roster like that, 353 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: that's pretty top heavy, even though you have you know, 354 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, who are the best in the 355 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: NFL with their respective positions. When you lose depths suddenly, 356 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: when you pay those guys a lot of money and 357 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: you start losing depths like they have, that can cause problems. 358 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: But I think the addition of Stafford, you know, it 359 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: probably will make enough a big enough of the difference 360 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: on offense to offset that. And it's no mystery why 361 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: McVay and less need went out and got him, which 362 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: is they wanted a quarterback who was not only going 363 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: to air the ball out downfield, which was I think 364 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: you saw Jared Goss. The offense their area is kind 365 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: of declining every year since the Super Bowl, but also 366 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: his second reaction ability, the fact that he can extend 367 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: plays and just work outside a structure is really you know, 368 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: they're hoping we'll take the offense to another level. So 369 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: let's move to Seattle. I want to hit Seattle and 370 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco before we get to the Cardinals. The Russell 371 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: Wilson Drama What are your thoughts on that. Do you 372 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: think it impacts the Seahawks once we kick the ball 373 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: off in September. No, I think it's pretty much resolved 374 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: this year. You know, we'll see what happened next season. 375 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: But it has an interesting contrast with this Roger's story 376 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: because with Wilson, I think the particular grievances, if you will, 377 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: we're actually are maybe not articulated by him, but we 378 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: knew what the source of the problem was back in 379 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: the spring, and then Seattle went out and dressed it 380 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: in terms of augmenting the offensive line trade for Gabe Jackson, 381 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: signing Gerald Everett was a free agent tight end was 382 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: left with the Rams, and then they drafted another wide 383 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: receiver to place David Moore as the third and then 384 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: signed or hired Shane Waldron to be their offensive coordinator 385 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: from the Rams. So I think, you know that's this 386 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: is an offense that really struggled in the second half 387 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: of last season for a multitude of reasons, some of 388 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: which had to do with Wilson, some schematics, some personnel, 389 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: and I think the changes they've made should hopefully address 390 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: some of those issues. And you know, Wilson can get 391 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: back to playing at the high levels that he did 392 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: in the first half of the year. I don't know. 393 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: In the second half with him, it was hard to 394 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: tell if it was all the hits that just were 395 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: taking a toll on him. What did you see because 396 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: he just didn't seem at times in the second half 397 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: of the year to be anywhere near as sharp as 398 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: he was early on, when he looked like the MVP 399 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: through the first couple months of the season. Yeah, it's fine. 400 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: There's some parallels, and I think Arizona not in terms 401 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: of why, but there I think there are questions about 402 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: sort of, okay, well what happened at this offense with 403 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: Arizona later on in the season, but a far Seattle goes. 404 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, defenses started playing two eye safety coverage against 405 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: them a lot more, and watching Seattle, Wilson and the 406 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: offense in general, they were still kind of forcing the 407 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: ball downfield. This is an obviously deep passing game that 408 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: was super explosive and efficient the first half of the season, 409 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: and when defenses took that away from them, you kind 410 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: of felt like Wilson was forcing it, not really taking 411 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: the layups that were available to him. The team really 412 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: was not running the ball super efficiently as well. I 413 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: think the absence of a reliable tight end option. You know, 414 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: Greg Wilson was injured and not super effective. Will Disley 415 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: was coming back from injury, was a problem down the 416 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: stretch as well, so and then the offensive line and 417 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: the interior in particular, there were some issues. Dwayne Brown 418 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: left tackle is still effective as ever, so I think 419 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: it's really hard to pin the blame on any one 420 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: thing schematic, Wilson or the personnelit. I think it was 421 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: kind of a mixture of those things. But I think 422 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: they are really hoping that with Waldron bringing an offense that, 423 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: similar to the Ramps, has a more integrated run pass approach, 424 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: a little more tempo, they can address some of the 425 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: issues and be a little bit more I guess, responsive 426 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: to what defenses are giving them. With San Francisco, I 427 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: always felt I was never sold that they were going 428 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: to take mac Jones. I just felt they were gonna roll. 429 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: They're gonna go with Trey Lance or maybe even Kyle 430 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: Pitts and roll with Jimmy g for this year. I 431 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: don't know where you stood on that, but as you 432 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: look at the forty nine ers, now can they win 433 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: with Jimmy G or do they need to go to 434 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: Tray Lance. I mean, I think they can win with Jimmy. 435 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean deemed that did win with Jimmy and not 436 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: a totally dissimilar roster, you know, during that Super Bowl 437 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: run season. But there's a reason why they traded the 438 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: world for Lance, and it's not just me. It's largely 439 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: because Jimmy G's been so injury he has battled these 440 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: injuries in the last couple of years, but also I 441 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: think some of the limitations he brings in terms of 442 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: his inability to again make plays outside It really sounds 443 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: like I'm talking about golf again, but plays outside a structure, 444 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: and sometimes the problems he had reading and particularly the 445 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: middle of the field, some of the turnovers. Um you know, 446 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: you could sense at times coach Shanahan wanted to move 447 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: on and I think have a quarterback in that offense 448 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: that could not only execute it, but elevated I think 449 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: that's they're hoping for the Lance, who obviously in experience, 450 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: not a lot of passing restaurants in order to go 451 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: to State, certainly not the highest level of competition, but 452 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: really had all of the tools you see not all 453 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: the tools, but the physical tools and mental ones that 454 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: you see I think in the elite quarterbacks right now, 455 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: where they're able to go above and beyond what they're 456 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: what's it's not just about scheme with them like Kyler 457 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: for example, and I think kash Hanahan really wanted that 458 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: as well. I was going to ask you when you 459 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: when you started talking about the attributes the Trey Lance possesses, 460 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: if you see those same things in Kyler, what do 461 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: you think is the ceiling for Kyler Murray and how 462 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: much does that impact whether the Cardinals or a playoff 463 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: team this season? What ceiling is a great way to 464 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: put it, because I think his ceiling is guy high Kyler's. Actually, 465 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: I would say it's really closer to him and Lamar 466 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: for Who's He's one of the deadliest run threats I've 467 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: ever seen in the league. And he has a beautiful 468 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: deep ball, beautiful arm. You know, his problems are or 469 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: when the offense is struggled, it's been you know, some 470 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: of the issues in the intermediate passing game. I think 471 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: at times the run game, which took a big leap 472 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: forward the prior year, sort of stagnated last season for 473 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: various reasons. Some of it has to do with the 474 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: run blocking um, which obviously the team went out and 475 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: addressed a bit. And then you know, I think skill 476 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: players and scheme, but the tools are just phenomenal. With Kyler. 477 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 1: I think it's so to me, it's it's he. He 478 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: has it all. Like again, when you talk about the guys, 479 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: the Allens, the mahomes Is, I think Kyler has those tools. 480 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: It's just a question of whether him and coach Kingsbury 481 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: can harness them in a more efficient fashion. The addition 482 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: that the Cardinals made the players as Steve Kind brought in, 483 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: do you think that that's enough for them to take 484 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: the next step offensively where they're not doing it for 485 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: seven or eight games, but they're doing it for seventeen games. 486 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's going to be a combination 487 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: of those editions and then also the play calling. But 488 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: I loved the Ronnie Hudson trade was probably one of 489 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: my I think the best moves of the entire offseason. 490 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the best centers in the NFL. 491 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: And when I look at the Arizona offense last year 492 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: and some of the struggles down to stretch, you know, 493 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: I think you saw Kyler's efficiency as a runner decline 494 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: a bit. Some of that was health related, but I 495 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with what 496 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: how defenses were playing Arizona in the second half of 497 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: the season, sort of anticipating that, and the absence of 498 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: a power running game is kind of a CounterPunch was 499 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: pretty I think telling. And to have again a center 500 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: like Hudson in there is going to make a remarkable difference. 501 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: I'll be curious to see. Also, um, how like a 502 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: James Connor fits into that. I loved the drafting of 503 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: ron Dale. Moore is one of my favorite players in 504 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: the draft, and um, he's another one where I think, like, okay, incredible. 505 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: I mean it does like a little lightning ball, you know, 506 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: But again, it really comes down to utilization because incredible 507 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: physical skill set obviously hasn't played in a minute, not 508 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: your prototypical NFL wide receiver. But if they can figure 509 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: out how to use him and get him into space, 510 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: it's just it's much like Kyler. The tools are there, 511 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: it's just how are we going to use them and 512 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: how are you gonna get them open? What did you tweet? 513 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you don't remember undraft Day about 514 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: ron Dale Moore and Kyler Murray. Wasn't there something just 515 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: I was like, it's there, they go well together side. 516 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: I think it was something to that. I think it 517 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: was something like they're they're adorable. And then I think 518 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: af as Well said I then it as a positive 519 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: this as an NFL show, I can't. I just can 520 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: only say, oh my god. Yeah, Frandell's like what five seven? 521 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: I think, pop my head. He's little man, he is, 522 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: He's gonna look interesting out there and when he's not 523 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: doing that, pads on. But he's incredible guy. What his talent? 524 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: All right? So, speaking of players maybe in stature that 525 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: aren't the biggest you with ties to Seattle, I'm sure 526 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: appreciate Buddha Baker, how much do you think that we'll 527 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: be talking about Buddha at all and the defensive Player 528 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: of the Year discussion here this season? You know, I 529 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: unfortunately don't think so. And that's not Buddha's fault. I 530 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: think these kinds of awards tend to they tend to 531 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: reward units where the whole unit is elite, and then 532 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: you're just kind of taking the best player, right or 533 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: especially if you're looking at a secondary versus like a 534 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: edge rusher, where like you know Chandler Gubbins in the bath, 535 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: where you're up huge numbers and they kind of speak 536 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: to themselves, but with secondary play. Even though I think 537 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: Buddha is by far the most talented player in that 538 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: group and does the omens work and frankly plays he 539 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: I loved him in college, but he's better than I 540 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: thought he would be in the NFL. I think because 541 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: of how those awards are given out, he might be overlooked. 542 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: But but he's just been so much. I mean, his versatility. 543 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, we knew he's a thumper, but the coverage. 544 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: I think his coverage abilities have really surpassed my expectations. 545 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: And he is undoubtedly the heart and soul of the defense. Now, 546 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: all right, couple more and I know you get a role. 547 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: Do you see Brady ba and the Buccaneers repeating? Now 548 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm rolling with Kansas City, and I think they would 549 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: have won if their entire offensive line wasn't Nash Unit. Yeah. 550 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: Does the Shaun Watson play at all in twenty twenty one? 551 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: And if he does? Where? First question? I have no 552 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: IDEA Second question, not Houston? Yeah, well, listen. I really 553 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Mean, it was great talking to you. Um 554 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: your show, NFL Love and ESPN is one of my favorites. 555 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: I love the crew. I have to start getting in 556 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: more to the Mina Kimes show featuring Lenny. How did 557 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: Lenny get the job? Because Lenny's a dog, right? You 558 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: know he worked for free? Okay, all right, that goes 559 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: a long way. Yeah. Does he have an opinion on 560 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals in twenty twenty one? Have you had a 561 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: chance to ask him? I have not. I have not, 562 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: but I think he would be crow Kyler. I don't 563 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: know why. He kind of runs like Kylie. I'll assume 564 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: that's a compliment. Mina, thanks so much, great talking to you. 565 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time by Dave. So great to 566 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: catch up with Mina. Full disclosure, that's the first time 567 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: I've ever spoken to Mina Kimes people. Thank you. Both 568 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: work at ESPN. You must know each other, No, we 569 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: follow each other on social media. Reached out to Mina 570 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: as I've been a long admirer of her work, really 571 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: wanted to get her as one of the first guests 572 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: on this podcast. That's the first time we've actually met 573 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: in person, and it wasn't even in person, it was 574 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: over the phone. But man, did she deliver great stuff 575 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: for Mina on the Cardinals, on her beloved Seahawks on 576 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: the Rams. She like us pretty high on Los Angeles 577 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: and she has close ties to that organization as a 578 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: member of their preseason television broadcast team. Also her time 579 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: in Arizona, spent several years here at Mesquite High School 580 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: and Gilbert playing soccer, and then her very unique path 581 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: to covering the National Football League for ESPN a big 582 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: part of her professional life not covering sports at all. 583 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: If you want more of Mina Kimes outside of what 584 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: you get on ESPN, you can check out her very 585 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: entertaining podcast, The Meta Chimes Show featuring Lenny, which, as 586 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: we found out, is Mina's dog all right. Some upcoming 587 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: guests that we have include Cardinals owner Michael Bidwill. Also 588 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: two members of the ESPN Monday Night Football crew, Brian 589 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 1: Greasy and Steve Levy. Got a chance to catch up 590 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: with them in person recently. You'll hear that podcast coming up. Also, 591 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: actor James road Day, we'll talk about his beloved Tennessee 592 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,959 Speaker 1: Titans preview the upcoming season of A Million Little Things, 593 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: which airs on ABC, and we will of course relive 594 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: some of the great moments in the hit TV show 595 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 1: psych where road Day starred as Sean Spencer. We are 596 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: presented by bet MGM, official sports betting partner of the 597 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and Hila River Hotels and Casinos. You can 598 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: check us out on Twitter at Pash pod and don't 599 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: forget if you haven't had a chance to listen to 600 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: the previous three podcasts, great stuff from Hall of Fame 601 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: quarterback Kurt Warner, Hardinal safety Buddha Baker, and Cliff Kingsbury. 602 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: That'll do it for episode four of the Dave Pash Podcast. 603 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time.