1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: He has to rap rate off podcast. My name is 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: beat I Elliott Wilson Elliott. What's really good this guest? Man, 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: I can't believe he's here. Man, I can't believe it's 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: killing cam camera Joss Ye right of podcast. He has 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: a new album on the way. Purple Hates part too. Hey, Man, 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: build a dip set movement. Man, and every time you 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: can speaks and if you long form like this, man, 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: it's extremely rare. If you say he's coming, I guess 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: he's coming. But I don't know. Man. Listen, I got 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: some questions. Man, I know you got something real. That's 11 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: the type of questions they're taking it back. We got 12 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: to it's only rights cam and everything, man, the business 13 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: ventures everything. Man, it's got building, dip set man, diplomats movement. 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: You know what that logo means. It means a lot. Man. 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Man, kill a can rap right 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: off podcast. I want't understanding it. Legendary Man, you're ready, 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm ready camera, Joel pleasure. How you're doing. Thanks for 18 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: having me. I appreciate that. Everything. It's always rare when 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: you speak, brother, Yeah, it's very rare to come out 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: that often. How you look good Man good Purple Haze too. Yeah, 21 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: is the time December. Yeah, We're gonna put on this summer. 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: I had a lot of music. I've been, uh you know, 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: studios in my house. I always work or whatever, even 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: when I'm not working, so I always do music. But 25 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: it's about the time and put some more music out. YEA, 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: why sequel because it's like your first sequel. People love 27 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: purple Haze, and it's really the fifteen year anniversary this 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: December Purple Haze one, So you know, I thought it 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: would be a good time. I did a mix tape 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: about two years ago called the Program, and I was 31 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: gonna put that the sequel out to that actually, but um, 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: I thought, being it was the fifteen anniversary of Purple 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: Haze one, that we are do purple hayse to Purple Hazes, 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: representing your catalog. Like if you go back to that time, 35 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: what was what was kind of going on? Because I mean, 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: obviously come Home with These was the launch of the 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: Rockefeller did that and then the first the first Purple Haze. 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: I was doing a lot, man, I was I wasn't Ohio. 39 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: Get yeah, I was in Chicago, living in Chicago, living 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: in Ohio. Back and forth to New York. Um at 41 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: that particular time, I smoked a lot of purple hate, 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: so I named the album now. But it was it 43 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: was a lot going on, you know, just at that time, 44 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: UM Jewels was getting off the ground, Jim was getting 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: off the ground. I don't even think Jim had his 46 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: first single yet at that time. So just trying to 47 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: organize the crew, a lot of traveling, a lot of 48 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: driving on a yeah, but it was. It was a 49 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: lot going on. But it was a great time in 50 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: my life. It really was. It was a good time. 51 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: What do you think of that album being involved as 52 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: like a cult classic to a lot of people. I 53 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: appreciate it whatever. When other people give me credit for anything, 54 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: I always appreciate it. But when I go back and 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: listen to it, that's probably my favorite album that I 56 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: really Yeah, you know, I come home with me because 57 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: it's a debate there, you know, I'm about to say that, 58 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: talk about that, about to say, you know, I get 59 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: the shows because when I do shows, I'm not sure 60 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: maybe now, but a lot of ships because people can 61 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: play in my shows that I don't. I don't have 62 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: any song from s D. I don't really do any 63 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: songs from the right exactly. So with Purple Hayes, I 64 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: just think that I was more and the rever already 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: a Rockefeller as opposed to come home with me. We 66 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: were just trying to catapult the diplomat brand that Rockefeller. So, um, 67 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: I think I was more comfortable right in that one. 68 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: So did you have to make sacrifices as an artist 69 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: to to help build your team and build and build 70 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: your brothers? Yeah? Absolutely, Like you know, what is this 71 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: probably twenty two years I saw my first deal, but 72 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: I only have six albums, you know what I'm saying. 73 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: By executive produced twenty two albums, you know what I'm saying. 74 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: So of course I'm executive twenty two albums, always making 75 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: sure somebody else's album or project is is um in place. 76 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know that's not a lot of albums 77 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: for that many years. But you know I probably got 78 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: a hundred mixtapes, if not more mix tape absolutely, So 79 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: I just think Purple Waves is my best, but I 80 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: get s D I get come on me yeates right, 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: you know my personal favorite. So I believe in Plea's 82 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: the first single right on now, we just put that 83 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: out the world. There's so much music, man, Like I said, 84 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: we're trying to really rush and put out the program 85 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: this month, but I was saying that I didn't. I 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: was having a hard time decide and whether I'm gonna 87 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: put this song on the program or this song on 88 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: prop ways or this song. So I said, let's just 89 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: focus on Purple Hays and then next year, early next year, 90 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: we'll come out with the program once that does down. 91 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Is any of the themes from the original Purple Hay 92 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: is gonna be on the sequel, Like It's Mizzle gonna 93 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: make a return. We're talking about all that. I don't 94 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: know where missles that right now? You know what I'm saying. 95 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: Like a lot of people like stat too, But we 96 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: on the music. So a lot of music done. I 97 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: worked till the end, till this very last minute. I 98 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: have to turn it in. But uh, you know a 99 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: lot of people want to skits on there, and I'm like, classic, man, 100 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't think I was telling somebody about that was 101 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: that the skin isn't nothing, but the phone call to 102 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: somebody even skits those was real, actually was a real persons. 103 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: This is a real person too, and all that stuff. 104 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: All that stuff was like not not really skits, Like 105 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: these women were really crusting. You don't care. It was crazy, 106 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, it was crazy that this girl, the girl 107 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: who did she did a few different skins. They're not skits, 108 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: but their old phone calls. On the particular the girls said, 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: um signed like a doctor chicken. It was another album 110 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: after I think Crying Page. I used the phone call 111 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: and she's like, ye'all want fifteen hundred dollars. I'm like, yo, 112 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: We've been doing this for years. Yeah, and then UM, 113 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I ain't been paying you. Come on, man, 114 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: you know this is crazy. So she ended up suing 115 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: me behind man, you know, the person who got disconnected 116 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: after a while, and once personal gets disconnected, then they've 117 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: started getting at me and I'm not her friend anymore. Actually, 118 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: after that we stopped speaking, but a lot of stuff 119 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: be really phone calls me. Uh, not to be proud 120 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: of it, but at that particular time, praying on females emotions, 121 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you always kind of 122 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: kept a comedic tone to say it was. I was 123 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: always important to have that with your stuff, Like obviously 124 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: it's hardcore hip hop, but you always like took the 125 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: time to kind of have something kind of funny. And 126 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm not saying i'm I'm just saying, tough people, don't 127 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: that tough all the time, Like you can't you can't um, 128 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: you can't laugh when you're tough, Well, you can't can't 129 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: do stuff but dance and nothing like that because you're tough. 130 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: To me, people are faking to be tougher. That tough 131 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: all the time to people. Yeah, tough people, don't that 132 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: tough all the time. You can't laugh, you can't make 133 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: a joke, you can't smile. That's that's not tough to me. 134 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: So I enjoy laughing. I like having fun, and when 135 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: it's time to get down the business, we get down 136 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: the business. But I think it's all entertainment. And you 137 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: can't be put in the box. Like a lot of 138 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: people stereotype you because they have this image of you 139 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: and then they put you in this box. It's like, 140 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, growing up, if you ever see Minister Society, right, 141 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: you're like old dog, old dog, old dog, and then 142 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: you go see inkwell and you're like, yo, what is 143 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: the old dog. I'm he's act you know what I'm saying. 144 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: Like it's so many times a week. Did some people 145 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: come up to me and say, Yo, Vico, why you 146 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: did that? Yo? I understand why you did it. This 147 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: is somebody came up to me actually in Miami one time. 148 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: This is a couple of years ago. I was like, yeah, 149 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: I knew what I know where you had to do 150 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: that last night? You know what I'm saying. They ain't 151 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: gonna play around with the fucking keyloads and then don't 152 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: tell you about it, yo, So what you have to do? 153 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: What you have to do last night? I'm like last night, 154 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: like people take that seriously and I'm like, you know, 155 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, I wonder if like Denzel goes 156 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: do that like training day, but they're not putting that box, 157 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you talk about that 158 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: paying the fool like you know, you was trying to 159 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: be authentic, even the thing on you with the audition, 160 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: but like not to do that movie right, and obviously 161 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: you thought it was quality, but like to see at 162 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: Land the test of time, like that movie is still 163 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: even to this day, so impowerful people, right. I just 164 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: really gotta give thanks to Dame dash for that, because 165 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: you know he um executive produced the movie. He fought 166 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: for me to get the part because I believed mayor 167 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: Max wanted somebody else to do the part. So you know, 168 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: all the credit and and grace goes to him for 169 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: allowing me to be in the movie, all the classic 170 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: lines with some of the I lived, like what was that? 171 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: The movie was that lived from my point of view 172 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: because um, at that particular time, I was the only 173 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: one still hanging out at Hall them every day. We 174 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: shot a lot of the movie in Canada. Um, Charles 175 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: Stone is a great, great director, and um, he gave 176 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: me a lot of leeway. So some of the lines 177 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: were really corny, and um, I was like, so what 178 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: we did a lot of a lot of the movie. 179 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: But I'll say my lines and then we'll do another take. 180 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: And then Charles to say, be like, say how you 181 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: would say that if it was really you? So I 182 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: didn't the ratting lines and then I improvt lines as well. 183 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: I think about that line and that's the when you 184 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: always said and I can't act turned down three movies? 185 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: Do you remember which movies those were? I didn't want 186 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: to do Friday to like not they wanted. I wouldn't 187 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: say I was gonna get the part but like I 188 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: think Sticky Fingers got that part, and there's like in 189 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: a dog trunk that's something trying to find ice cube, 190 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: but it was that part. There was another movie with 191 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks and yeah, but it was like and I'm 192 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: a super big Tom Hanks fan. He's probably like one 193 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: of my top two actors. But I think Marlon and 194 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: Damon Marlon Wayne's got the part. I don't remember the 195 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: name of the movie, but it was like one of 196 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: the worst movie Tom Hanks was. You know what I'm saying, 197 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that bad because it's not. It's 198 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: not a lot of bad Tom Hanks and it's not 199 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: a lot you know what I'm saying. Yeah, like it's 200 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: not a lot of bad movies, but this was probably 201 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: one of the worst ones that he did. So I 202 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: remember those were two movies that I read the script 203 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'm just not comfortable doing it. 204 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I just shot a new movie 205 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: called is It The Crime? Um when the process of 206 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: editing and mixing right now, and I kind of stepped 207 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: out my element to do that because any movie I 208 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: was in, whatever the movie percentage, and you know, of 209 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: course Kells's and I shot like regular but paid the full, 210 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: and people would be like, look at Kim getting away 211 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: with acting like Cam. You know what I'm saying. It's 212 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: like ice Cube as well. You know, ice Cube does 213 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: a great job of surrounding himself with good actors, and 214 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: he doesn't come too far out this element. I mean, 215 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: like Lottery or whatever it was. He played like an 216 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: old man, but he's still like in his other movies, 217 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't come even if his barbershop is still like 218 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: the Tube version of barbershop. So I want to step 219 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: out the element of just people being like Kim, you 220 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: just being yourself and trying to take on a diverse character. Yeah, 221 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: he stepped out of your element really This year, man, 222 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: we saw you on that stage with jay Z. Yeah 223 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: side show. Yeah, it was cool. Was good money to 224 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: say the least. Like I was like, we had gym 225 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: on earlier. I said, I was screaming like at year girl. 226 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: Man was like, why do you felt like that was 227 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: a good time to squash the bee? I mean, tell 228 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: the truth. It really wasn't never like real physical beef 229 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: anything like that. You know. When I was up there Rockefeller, 230 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: I really believe my personal opinion and you know, just 231 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: not bringing up stirring up a bunch of old dust 232 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: or whatever is that. We came up there and because 233 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: of my situation at Sony, we just started diplomats and 234 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm referring to we came up there and started moving 235 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: real quick because we got jerked around and Sony and 236 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: we learned the business. And when we got to Rockefeller, 237 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: we we already knew what we had to do. We 238 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: know who's running radio, we know who's running promotion, we 239 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: know who's had a marketing. Okay, cool deaf jams downstairs. 240 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: But going downstairs to speak to Kevin Lous, to speak 241 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: the uh Kaiser, to speak to yor to speak to 242 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Julie Greenwall. And you know, I'm not saying this's how 243 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: jay Z felt, but it felt like maybe because it's 244 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: other artists didn't do that, and then it might have 245 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: been wrong too. In our part, we was jumping the gun, 246 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: but without you know, talking, you're aggressive. You're trying to 247 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: make it happen without talking to him. And you know, 248 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: day more for me, the vice the president job rack 249 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: a fella without consult with jay Z. So a lot 250 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: of little emotions was going on with not just jay 251 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: Z and myself, but you know, you gotta Brooklyn there 252 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: and Philly there, Harlem. There's a lot of different cruise 253 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: gonna cruise within cruise. So basically, um and then it 254 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: probably didn't messing. We was moving a little bit too. 255 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say too fast. We did we had 256 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: to do because we came from a mess up situation. 257 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: Everybody wasn't on the same page. But no matter whether 258 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: me and jay Z got along publicly or even in private, 259 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: what I tell people is that me and him may 260 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: not even been speaking, but when I had to do 261 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: what I had to do, addgate six signatures to do anything, 262 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: which was Leo Cohen, Julie Greenwall, Kevin Low's, Big jay 263 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: Z and Damon jay Z signed off on anything, well 264 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: it was diplomats to duels or anything that I did. 265 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: So maybe we may have not been on the same 266 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: page um personally, but business wise. He never helped me 267 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: up from doing anything. He put an I g post 268 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: of a classic photo. You guys said before like this 269 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: history there. Yeah, well, you know, um, Dame and jay 270 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: Z grounded for a long time to get to where 271 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: they had where they was at. You know, they were 272 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: trying to get record deals, and luckily for them they 273 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: didn't because it turned out to be beneficial on their part. 274 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I mean I remember jay Z opening 275 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: it up for MEFA man. It was like, yeah, it 276 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: was like Dame and jay Z had these lexus is 277 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: and and I used to ride around with Dame and 278 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: Bleak with around with Jay easy and I don't know 279 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: if it was Penn State, that might have been Penn State. 280 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: We drove out there just US four to open up 281 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: one time for method Man and not me opening up. 282 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: Jay Z was opening up and he had that one 283 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: song with Bleak at the time coming of age, so 284 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: he did the song whatever. But I was around them 285 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: for a long time, well before they even had any 286 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: records going on, and it was cool to see everybody 287 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: come up like that. So the conversations prior to the show, 288 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: even after, we're just real simple, like it wasn't really 289 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: big conversations. Um Jim called me, he said, um, Jay 290 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: wants you to perform. I said, cool, it's not a problem. 291 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: And that was that. Then want to call me with 292 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: jay Z. We spoke for about three or four minutes, 293 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: uh talk, just to smooth everything out. Everybody was cool. 294 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: We ain't talking about no bullshit and nothing, and then um, 295 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: we did the show. Then we spoke the next day 296 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: for a minute and that was that your members of 297 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: the song above me to City. I think Jim was 298 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: also saying that that was like one of his favorite 299 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: sessions because you know, you got it's cooking up and 300 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: like obviously everybody got their prides in MC when that 301 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: song came out. So I'm just telling my attitude at 302 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: that time. We was like no, we was going to 303 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: baseline all the time, like, um, we was workhorses. We was. 304 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: We was like we wasn't wasting those studio times to studios. 305 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: If one wasn't being used, we're gonna use the other one. 306 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: If neither one of them are being used, we're gonna 307 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: use both of them. And a little bit of tension 308 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: started to rise a little bit. Nothing crazy, but um, 309 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of tension started to ride just because 310 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: I think how we was moving and coming in and 311 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: going and everything else. So trying to remember exactly whatever happened, 312 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying. I can't remember exactly why I was tension, 313 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: but the moral story is a little tension in there. 314 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: So I came in the studio. I had did Old 315 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: Boy already, I believe, and just judge Blaze that is. 316 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, come in, I gotta a beat 317 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: for you, and there's the New York City beat. And 318 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: so I was in there for about parade three or 319 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: four minutes and Jay walked and he's like, Yo, can 320 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: I talk to you? So he's like, I'm like, what's up? 321 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: So he's like, uh, you know, it seems like it's 322 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: a little tension around here. You know, they don't need 323 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: to be tension. We all work and I can't say 324 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: verbat on what we talked about, but he's like, Yo, 325 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: you know it's tension, but yo, we all here to 326 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: work together with out and out and out of that. 327 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: So I was like, I will come onto the song 328 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: right here if that's yeah yeah, And he's like that. 329 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: So he went in there, and I'm being honest with you, y'all, 330 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: I'll never see nobody do that because I write my 331 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: arms down. He sat there or the mother probably six 332 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: minutes and did that verse. He didn't know the beat 333 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: was up. He didn't know nothing, because like I said, 334 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: he just walked in until we could talk. And he 335 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: sat there for about six minutes and did that verse 336 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: in one take. I was like, oh, ship, So I 337 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: had to write my ship fast too. So I wrote 338 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: my ship fast, and then we did the last verse 339 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: and it was it turned out to be a great song. 340 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I ain't gonna hold you, he said. 341 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: He came in there and listened to me for about 342 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: five or six minutes and when the booth and did 343 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: it in one take. And then, uh, I just had 344 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: to do what I had to do real quick because 345 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to be sitting there that long. When 346 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: he didn't even write his ship down and it wasn't 347 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: like he had already. You know, sometimes nigger might be 348 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: acting like they freestyling had it, But you're not gonna 349 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: make up. You can't have my name in the song 350 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: and talk about all these things pertaining to New York 351 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: already written, you know what I'm saying. So that was 352 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: some dope shitt he did. But the only thing with 353 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: Baseline people talk about it like, look, think of all 354 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: that talent and a young Kanye young like right, that 355 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: must have been a crazy like energy all the time 356 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: they're at that studio. It was too much competition, man, 357 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: two studios and you gotta realize. I mean, Kanye came 358 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: kind of later, but what you gotta realize is that 359 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: we wasn't wasting no time. We already got jerked. We 360 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: felt the Sony, so we was there to be cordial 361 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: and work with anybody, but we really had an agenda 362 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: as far as creating a diplomats. He mentioned it, there's 363 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: Sony things, so that was a pivotal thing. Like obviously 364 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: we know Big was one of the f us believe 365 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: in you. You got went on like talk about that 366 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: early transition and then why do you think things went 367 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: flat with Sony and things came to a halt. Mason 368 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: introduced me the Big Big pass Away and gave me 369 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: the deal because Big wanted to sign me. Um I 370 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: put out the album. I don't really know the details 371 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: of uns deal, but you know, it was presumed to 372 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: be a pretty big deal and he only put out 373 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: my album. Charlie didn't come out right next to Snoop right. 374 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: Sony end up dropping his label, but in his contract 375 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: they were allowed to take whatever artists from his label 376 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: that they wanted, so I ended up going to Epic 377 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: by default. It was like, okay, you can have your label, 378 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: but we're keeping camp. So when I got to a 379 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: new system right exactly some When I got to Sony, 380 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: it was real corporate. Dave McPherson was running the label, 381 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: and you know, I don't think he was the biggest 382 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: hip hop guy there. But I put out s D E. Um. 383 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, it was a good feeling to put out 384 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: s D because not saying I didn't like Confessions of Fire. 385 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: But what you gotta realize is I'm signing with bigg 386 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: eas Man five six, seven months after Biggie died. So 387 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: I had to hear line and I had to hear 388 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: a lot of YO big what it did this big? 389 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: But it did that big, And I'm like, I did yeah, 390 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: but you know it's big, so you you try to 391 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: listen to everything, but it's like, I can't compare myself 392 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: the big, biggest big. I gotta make my own way 393 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: for myself. Yeah. So when I got to when I 394 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: did s D E was really great energy because I 395 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: didn't have to compromise my sound or compromise what I 396 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: wanted to do, because that's exactly you know what I'm saying. 397 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: So I didn't have to do that because you know, 398 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: a lot of times not saying I didn't do songs 399 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: on on Come Home with Me that I wanted to 400 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: do definitely, But yeah, part of me confession is absolutely 401 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: I had to compromise a lot of stuff to to 402 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: make um, you know, the label happy as well. Where 403 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: as D A s D. I did my own thing. 404 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: So when I got as D, you know, somebody up 405 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: there at the label, a female who worked there. She 406 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: liked me, she was cool, and she was just telling 407 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: me how they was not promoting my project the right way. 408 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: You know. Um, they wasn't, you know, spending money on market. 409 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: The guy who's running market is on vacation on my 410 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: budget promotion department, on board a new car. I'm saying like, yeah, 411 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that, so um, and she 412 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: feel like the album wasn't it wasn't set up to 413 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: win when you put it out at all, not at all. 414 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: When I started learning this, I was like, you know, 415 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: I'm signed here for seven albums, you know what I'm saying. 416 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I only have six hours, So signed 417 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: it for seven hours, which was a standard deal at 418 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: that time. You know, I look outcast. Everybody who was 419 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Papa had seven albums deal. So when I realized they 420 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: wasn't doing the right thing, and um I didn't want 421 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: to beat there anymore. And like I said, I knew 422 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: Dame and jay Z before they had a deal. Me 423 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: and Dame had fell out over some son stupid. So 424 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: I swallowed my pride, and because we haven't probably spoke 425 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: for two years, I swallowed my pride. And when it 426 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: asked him for us help because that's my brother while 427 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: we were speaking or not, and he hadn't even pawned 428 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: on it, He's like cool because you know, at this 429 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: time he's at his height and he had destro at Rockefeller, 430 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean with def jam which Rockefeller I believe in 431 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: the lecturer at the time when the lecture was still 432 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: up and it was another one. So he's like, yeah, 433 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: we could do this, so we could do that or whatever. 434 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: But I help you. And um I was coming up 435 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: there before he got there, probably with like forty niggas 436 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: every day, press of like real police detail up there 437 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: every day. And I was like, yeo, y'all playing my 438 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: life right now. You know what I'm saying, y'all gotta 439 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: let me out this deal. And it just got it 440 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: more expensive to keep me and Dame came up and 441 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: he took to Dave McPherson and they end up letting 442 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: me out. So that's how I got out of the 443 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: Sony deal and went over the rocket Feller. I've always 444 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: wanted to know, like from the early days, from Children 445 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: of the Corn, from Confessions a Fire to sde your flow. 446 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: It was very it was more like hurried. It was 447 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: fast paced. Then we come to come home with me, 448 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: it changed up completely. What brought about that change? A 449 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: lot of stuff I said go over people's heads, you 450 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like to take a song and like, um, 451 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: it depends on the artist to like hmm, I'm thinking. 452 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the song. But I 453 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 1: did a song on Confessions, and to me it just 454 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: went over a lot of people says not d rugs, 455 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: thank you too, But it was And then Tom changed 456 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: to you know, like I'm wing what wh next year 457 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: w be my fourth decade, you know what I'm saying 458 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: on this and it's a pleasure to still be relevant 459 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: and people asking for my stuff and ship like that. 460 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: But tim changed, and you gotta reinvent yourself. But at 461 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: that particular time, if you looked at was kind of 462 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: early late nineties, pall me, that was kind of what 463 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: was going on, whether it was D M Max, a 464 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: drag on anybody like that. And I just think that 465 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: instead of it was about rapping, you know, to where me. 466 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: To me, I've seen like cash money and no limit 467 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: and even even Rough rather says that I'm not saying putting. 468 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what I learned. And people like lifestyle, 469 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying to me more, They can 470 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: relate to lifestyle more than just be an a lyricist, 471 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like I used to say 472 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: this all the time, and I'm talking about within my crew, 473 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: like and this is years ago because Jim doesn't out 474 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: as a super great rapper, really proud of him, but 475 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: it was a time when we I used to have 476 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: to make us practice on the tour bus and I 477 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: used to add this thing called the five o'clock showdown 478 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: to where I make everybody right robs every day at 479 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: five o'clock. What was Jim jells Jay all right? And hell, 480 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if hever I was there, but everybody 481 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: had the right rob and JR. Right O was kind 482 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: of one every day, right every day. But the point 483 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: being is and then I'm not dissing Jay are or 484 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: nothing like that, but Jim at that particular time even 485 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: now them not dis And last there's no distant whatever. 486 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm talking about stuff. We're talking amongst each other. 487 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: You arrival, Jail may rap better than Jim or whatever, 488 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: but you rather be like Jim, you know what I'm saying. 489 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: You're rather weird that check a chain on a belt 490 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: or a skull head when he did, the skull has 491 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: a start going from baggy clothes to slimming clothes down. 492 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He has a great image. 493 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: And I always realized that about Jim even coming up, 494 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: because we used to run into you know, we didn't 495 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: always hang out in over again in and we used 496 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: to run into a lot of the same females we 497 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: may adult with or whatever stuff like that, you know 498 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So um, his image was always a one, 499 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: always fly, always got you know, we used to battle 500 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: on who would get sneakers first or whatever whatever. But 501 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: image means a lot to me more than the lyrics do. 502 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: It's more of are you relating to what this artist 503 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: is saying? Because some people, but you know, we used 504 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: to have fights, um, and that's what made me kind 505 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: of form diplomats when I was I didn't even ever deal, 506 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: but like people used to fight on my block on 507 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: who's the favorite No Limit soldier. You know what I'm saying, 508 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: Like soldiers slim nah mea ex is dope, she chubby, 509 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: but she she's killing it. Nah man, mrical is down 510 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: with them now? Nah? You know what I'm saying. Yeah, 511 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: you know she murders really called a And those was 512 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: real arguments that we had in my neighborhood. And I 513 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, if I perform something like that, it 514 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: don't matter who like Sue the most. If you all 515 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: on the same team, you know, it's a win for everybody. 516 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: Because somebody may be like, I don't like him, I 517 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: funk with Jim, but somebody be like, I don't frek 518 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: with Jim. I like duels and all the way around 519 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: the board. But I got that from real arguments in 520 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: my neighborhood over No Limit. Yeah you know what I'm saying. 521 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: So switching the floor is just more of a lifestyle thing, 522 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: just the evolution of your absolutely. Then on top of that, 523 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: not just switching the floor, you can't be the same forever. 524 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like you sit there and 525 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, um your audience view of the age, 526 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 1: But you know jay Z used to wrap fast like twister, 527 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. 528 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: I remember he came to my block and battle Big 529 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: Elt with that same style, and yeah, I was out there. 530 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: But you gotta reinvent yourself, you know what I'm saying. 531 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: So you know, if you have the same floor at 532 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: the time, you you could and try to sustain. But 533 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: it's not a lot of people sustained that long. Like 534 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: for instance, I'm trying to think like you may have. 535 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: Of course you got you got kissing the locks I'm 536 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: talking about on the high level. You got jay Z, 537 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: Kanye even came out later. How many people last twenty years. 538 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You may have a good single, 539 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: good runner. Little Wayne. Of course, Little Wayne came out 540 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: before me. You know what I'm saying, he's rapping since 541 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: he's fucking fourteen years old. Black, Like I said, even 542 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: after No. Leten watching Cash Money, But um, yeah, you 543 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: know Little Wayne don't saying like whether they started. You 544 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so everybody got to reinvent yourself 545 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: once in a while, something about making people, making the 546 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: crew right rhymes and five because I always felt like 547 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: that whenever you did radio freestyles like you always have, 548 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: you always have bars like it was like you always do. 549 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: These guys were ready to go. Yeah. I mean even now, 550 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty then that I'm talking about. But I 551 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: always knew content is king if you always, if you 552 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: feed content, people are gonna love you. It's about consistency. 553 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: Like I say that about applies as well too, Like 554 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: applies he um, he got hot because he put out 555 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: three albums at eighteen months. You know, I don't know 556 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: the last Timely put the album OT, but you always 557 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: got a funny single, the cool single. But you know, 558 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: I know I had a created Flawda. So I heard 559 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: a lot of applies Mother and Florida. But that guy, 560 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: and with the Atlantic system back in him at the time, 561 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: three three albums at eighteen months is a lot. And 562 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: even if he hass gaps, now that's kind of what 563 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: to me, what made people pay attention to him is 564 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: when you work, and when it's decent work of good work, 565 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: people pay attention to that. So even like when mix tapes, 566 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: we was the first group to ever do a mix 567 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: tape that wasn't without that was that wasn't on it, 568 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: that wasn't a DJ of Court like DJ Clue and 569 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: Case Sleigh and ron G and doo Op and a 570 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: whole bunch of others that s and that's a bunch 571 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: of If I forgot somebody, sorry, but I always getting 572 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: to argument it wasn't your fifty one or fifty cents 573 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: the Future with Diplomats Volume one. Now we was first first. 574 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: It was definitely first, a hundred percent g and it 575 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: came out after we came out, but it was like 576 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: a big magazine and it came out I believe it 577 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: was the Fast Magazine. I'm not sure if it was FEDS, 578 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: the Dawn Diva, but it was a picture of all 579 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: like out poor Richport and all these people were furs 580 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: and jack and there was like a big big deal 581 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: for that magazine. And I'm like like, like we got 582 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: the first in the closet, you know what I'm saying, 583 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: We got all these lovers whatever. So I said, you 584 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: looked our every mixtape, everybody's mixtape, and we just cool. 585 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: Case Slave was heating up at the time, and I'm like, yo, 586 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: let's just do our all mixtape. Get case, slay the hosted, 587 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: pull the furs out, whoever got their home for I'm 588 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: gonna put the furn back. We're gonna take a picture back. 589 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah that's better. All. Yeah, that's how we did it. 590 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: Though I was important to put out that that that 591 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: artist tape at that time. Why did you know that 592 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: was the right move to take control of it? It's 593 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: kind of change you pretty much revolution and changed the 594 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: mixtape game. Absolutely. I got to Rocket Feller and they 595 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: wasn't accepting the team yet, you know, and I get 596 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: I get that because David's like him, you just got 597 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: here that I'm not yo, telling your mommy and jewels. 598 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: He's like, YO, calmed, Yeah he was, he was, And 599 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: they like, yo, I'm telling you. You're like Cam, calm down, 600 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: you have two minutes. Well be here that long. And 601 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: I was like, yo, listen, man, I'm telling you, I 602 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: got a little team, Like yo, just relax. So I'm 603 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: like all right, cool, So I'll started putting mix tapes out. 604 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: Then you get mad at me for putting mixtape, but 605 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: they like, you're wasting all this money, man, you could 606 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: be he money from all these songs. So I was 607 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: telling them like, look, we're about to start busting moves. 608 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: Um you want, you want to mess with Jewels or 609 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: you don't. Is that the reason why Duels was featured 610 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: so heavily on Come home with me? Yeah? If you look, 611 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: my player was just to make Jewels a superstar. And 612 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't even have to rap that much, you know 613 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like I love rapping, I don't, 614 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: but my my dream. You know, I got jealous one time, 615 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: not jealous, but I wanted. I wanted. You know, sometime 616 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: when you you can't turn off celebrity when you want to, 617 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I remember being that not jealous isn't 618 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: the right word. But I was at a movie theater 619 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: one time and and all these people coming up to 620 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: me and speaking got and it's cool. You know That's 621 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: like I I'm blessed. You know what I'm saying. I 622 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: don't have to have to be regret about anything, because 623 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: if that's my job was waking up, kissing babies, taking pictures, 624 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: hugging and don't got this in the traffic. I'm cool 625 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: with that, you know what I'm saying. But so many 626 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: people is coming up to me and everything. And I 627 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: see Kevin Lows in the movie theater, you know. At 628 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: the time, you know, I was like that. I was 629 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: on deaf Jam at the time, and I'm like kell 630 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: with something like somebody people like Kim, Yo, I want 631 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: to get on, and I want to get on, and 632 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, this is the dude putting me on it, 633 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: Like Yo, don't do that, Kim, don't do that. Yoke, 634 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: you don't do that. Not like Dad, You're making more 635 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: money than all of us, but you still could walk 636 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: around and nobody knows who the hell you are. So 637 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna make everybody I messed with celebrities. 638 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to anyway and fading the back and trying, 639 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: uh and try and just make money and don't necessarily 640 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 1: have to be in the spotlight at the time. If 641 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: you look Jels on my first two singles on come 642 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: Home with Me, he has the singles on the Diplomat 643 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: album on volume one and two. We gave them both 644 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: the singles. All this stuff I got did by myself. 645 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: But I was just trying to push him to make 646 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: him a superstar. I always felt like that maybe Cam's 647 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: more excited about the business, like because obviously had those 648 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: bad experiences than once you learned the business and got 649 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: hot and got that leverage, you really like, yeah, dugged 650 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: it out. And because when you learn, you know, when 651 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: you first get a deal and the back then you're like, 652 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: oh I got a record. There was almost like impossible 653 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: to get a record here, you know what I'm saying. 654 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: So when you end up getting a deal is really 655 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't care. Remember my businessman's at the time was like, Kim, 656 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: do not give a fifty percent and your publisher And 657 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm twenty years old at the time, like, but they 658 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: was giving me I don't even know. It's a super 659 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: low number, probably like a hundred thousand or something like 660 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: that for my fifty percent of my publishing, which is ridiculous. 661 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: But I was like, yo, I need a call when 662 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: I go back uptown. Man, I ken't be having no 663 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: deal with no call. You know what I'm saying, No sense, 664 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: you don't get it. You know what I'm saying, Kim. 665 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: If you don't get it, this is where you I'm like, look, 666 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear all that right now. I 667 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: need this. Benzman, you know what I'm saying this, but 668 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: I can't go back to my block told me I 669 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: got a record deal and don't got the new whatever 670 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: year it was mans, you know what I'm saying, So 671 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: going forward and I'm like, I'm like, damn, let's think 672 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: it was right. I had to fight to get my 673 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: publishing back, but I end up getting it back eventually anyway. 674 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: Because he was remember time bragging about you, like you 675 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 1: know this business exacts fact then it with faceless. But 676 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: you used to mention Kevin Lyles to making all these 677 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: different deals at one time. What was that like? Was 678 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: that was that the most exciting time when it was 679 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: like you really was like in command and able to 680 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: make all these different revenue streams with different labels. It's 681 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: always good when you could make some money, but it 682 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: was more about taking advantage of being hot, you know 683 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, and that's what I was saying, like, 684 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: but I think that's what I was about to say 685 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: when we was talking about um, I was telling Dame, 686 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: I'm about to start moving, you know what I'm saying. 687 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: Because he didn't not saying he didn't want to. He 688 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: didn't think it was time. So I went damn, I 689 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: can't remember. Dan was downstairs an upstairs from us. You know. 690 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,479 Speaker 1: We went in Rocketfeller. It was two walking closets, big 691 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: full of junk and with two cubicles in front of him. 692 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: And I made people come clean them out or the closets, 693 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: put dusk in their office, I mean dust chairs. It 694 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: was late because we people were leave the office about seven. 695 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: We stay late. We found a electrical dudio, put some 696 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: phones in here. That's sure. We had two offices, and 697 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: and people like stay property or even other Brooklyn dudes, 698 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: not dissing them or not. They just couldn't believe, like 699 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: how cam get an office. They was mad that we 700 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: had offices and cubicles and all that, and I'm like, 701 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: nobody gave us this. We just we just basically took 702 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: this and from nackled out way. Well, I don't even 703 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: know how we got the elector do to put phones 704 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: and then we got four phone lines clicking. We don't 705 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: hire in terms, you know, I used to. I used 706 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: to hire people who had college degrees in music. I 707 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: haven't work for me because I found this so entertaining 708 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: that I had a g D. And it was like 709 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: these big music music for school. Yeah whatever. And I'm like, 710 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 1: look what you want to all the school to come 711 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: here and work for me? And then exactly, and they'll 712 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: be like, yo, Kim, if you get these amount of 713 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: points and then this, I said, what's points? They'd be like, 714 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: but the points, And I'm like, what is it? Can 715 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: we take points to the bank? Don't you just tell 716 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: me the number on money? I don't play points and 717 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: all that. You know what I'm saying. I need a 718 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: dollar amount. I don't play all that, yo. Well the 719 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: fourteen points off the door? Look that fourteen dollars out 720 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: of a hundred? All right? Cool and say dollars because 721 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: I don't. I can't cast that. I can't pay my 722 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: bills with points. I need to speak regular English when 723 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: they come to certain things. And I was very transparent, 724 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: like you know, I was in a position one time, um, 725 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: somebody trying to sue me. And you know, when you're 726 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: in the up position. I don't know if you'll ever 727 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: been in one. It's like seven lawyers in front of 728 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: you and the first lawyers like and it's kind of 729 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: have nothing to do. I'm just telling you who I am. Yo. 730 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: Karen Cameron Giles and therefore, um section seed, paragraph to 731 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: seventy five. You with it, yo, yo, wish you you 732 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. Man, don't when you 733 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 1: start with therefore, already know you're about to get into 734 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: some bullshit. Now if you're just wondering if you was 735 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: there to o'clock, Oh was I there a two o'clock? Now, 736 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: I wasn't there. Next lawyer, Um, considering the fact of 737 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: hearing after that, y'all don't know what you're talking about? 738 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: Did you sign the paper? Oh? Did I sign the paper? Yeah? 739 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 1: I signed the paper. Cool. Next lawyer that I don't 740 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: know what you I don't know what you're talking about. 741 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: Got the next lawyer, he said. I kept doubting them, 742 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: and then you know what they said. They said, can 743 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: we've been lawyers so long we forgot how to talk regular. 744 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you don't have to talk regular, 745 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna stop you every time. A lot of 746 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: people are scared to ask questions when they don't know 747 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: what somebody's saying, and I'll stop you because they scared 748 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 1: that they'll look stupid or whatever the case may be. 749 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: I have no problem asking you a question if I 750 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: don't understand what you're saying or what you're talking about. 751 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: So I'll stop you debt in your tracks and be 752 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: like I don't understand. Explain to me like I'm a 753 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: three year old, but um, basically that's how I take 754 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: my attitude everywhere. So back to story. I'm telling Dave, 755 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm about to start moving. I'm trying to get you 756 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: ll signed Kevin Lows Love Duels. He's like, we ain't 757 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: gonna do it yet. I took the project Diplomat project 758 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: to Kevin Lows, you wanted to sign a diplomat project 759 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: and juels. So I like, back, I go upstairs tell Dave. 760 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, I waited until I got more solidified. Dame 761 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: goes crazy, flips out, goes there yelling at you motherfucker. 762 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: How the fun song? And I'm like, yo, yo, yo, 763 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: yo yo. He's not doing this thing now. He's doing 764 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: this on purpose, because if I would have want an 765 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: ask him for the deal, he would have said no. 766 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: But of course it's you. He just trying to get 767 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: me mad. I'm like, why are you just kidding? Like 768 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,439 Speaker 1: the artist or whatever. He's like, now we're doing the deal, 769 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: but they gotta go through rock for her and say, yo, bro, 770 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: I came to you with this first thing. Anyway, we 771 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: all worked it out to where Diplomat sent you Wels 772 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: and everybody was underneath Diplomat, rocket fell, devil jam and um. 773 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: But um Yeah. Basically, I just took advantage of the 774 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: opportunities while I had the opportunity to do it. Yea, 775 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: I have a question camp back to the B Side show. 776 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: U Nas was on the bill as well, and I 777 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: saw that was a picture with you and him and 778 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. How did y'all recordstile that relationship. 779 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: I was at the airport in Lors Vegas. Rea was 780 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: actually on the flight together and I was in the 781 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: airport in Lors Vegas and at my back turn he 782 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: came and hit me in the ribs, just playing around. 783 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: I'll turn around and was like it's up. He's like, nah, 784 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,280 Speaker 1: what's up? Man? And we just talk talking about no beef, 785 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: no problems, no nothing. We got on the plane and 786 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: we rode from legs. We got off the plane. I'm like, 787 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: you know what, come take this picture because nobody going. 788 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: So we took the picture and that was it. To 789 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: be honest, we're achased number. We never really spoke after that, 790 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, we was in the airport and he 791 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: came up and gave me a five, and we talked 792 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: for two minutes and got on our flight and came back. 793 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: But it is crazy that one of the probably one 794 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: of the most classic dips set back because I really 795 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: mean it came out of the session of the differences 796 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: of the time you tell people whatnot because he did 797 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: three songs that night, right probably so I would like 798 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: to be honest. Guy was really the toughest things I 799 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: had to do to be honest, you know what I mean, 800 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: because I'm a NAS fan man, real big really never 801 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: you're giving him a lot of respect now, I do 802 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: remember that earlier. Yeah, because I'm saying this, this is 803 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: at the time we're like really, but then he comes 804 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: across Jim Jim like you got to check him. But 805 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: like you guys are fans of him. I'm super na 806 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: I used to you know, nobody really knew about nos 807 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: when he first came out because I was you know, 808 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm like that real hip hop junkie as well. It's 809 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: trying to get money when I was young. You know, 810 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: my cousin blood said God blessed that he was big, 811 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: big on hip hop, so you know, we had a 812 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of tapes and stuff. But I was I'm a 813 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 1: real big NAS fan, Like what happened was um Nas 814 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: just just me for no reason, you know. And it 815 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: was really tough decision to make, but it was like 816 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: one of those decisions where it's like dag we about 817 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: to pop off, and you know, this ain't like today. 818 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: It was like there, you gotta say something. I was 819 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: like ilse being gonna look back, and it was like, damn, 820 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: this is not us though, so we can't go No, 821 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: we can't go light as NAS. You know, at that 822 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 1: particular time, and even now still a debate for whoever 823 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: people think it's the best MC, but you know, right 824 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: to us now, it was the best m C at 825 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: that particular time. It was like tag man, what did 826 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: he distance for? We didn't even do nothing to He's 827 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: more mad at hot nineties seven and you know, he 828 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: was getting a lot of radio play and a lot 829 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: of a lot of support at the time, and I 830 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: guess whatever they did to him and some of you, 831 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: I don't even remember exactly what happened, but like Kim 832 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: is whacking, I'm like to you, man, I didn't even 833 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: do nothing. So I was like, you know what, But 834 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: it was that some of Jim you guys went straight 835 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: to the studio, right, yeah, because he was supposed to 836 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: perform and he then and then they let us perform, 837 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: and then yeah, we went to the studio because he 838 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: was on tour. Two We went back to tour after that, 839 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: and um, but we just had to. It was one 840 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: of them situations since where at that particular hour it 841 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: was like, look, this is not we can't just do 842 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: one song because he could come back with another song 843 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: and kind of kill everything, you know what I'm saying, 844 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: So let's just bombard the situation, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. So, 845 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: but that was the only way we felt that we 846 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: could handle it because now as just such a legend 847 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: at that particular time. Do you feel like you crossed 848 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: the line because beef now is different. Yeah, I mean 849 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 1: at that particular time, I probably didn't. It's some things 850 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: that I found about afterwards that I probably want to 851 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: say if I knew, you know what I'm saying, Do 852 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: I regret it? Yeah, because I didn't want to go 853 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: that far, but at that particular time and my mind 854 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 1: set and then Niggers I was running around with. They 855 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: didn't give a fun We called said because we wasn 856 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: It was like it was on the ride. It was like, Yo, 857 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,320 Speaker 1: he's not gonna stop our movement. It was like, Yo, 858 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: the money, the money is as where his cameraman is 859 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: that Nobody's gonna come in between it. You know what 860 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I told you we just got jerked. This 861 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: sony unloss his deal. We see this money right there, 862 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: and a monkey wrench comes in between it. Nah, we can't. 863 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 1: Nothing's gonna come in between this money, like you know, 864 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: like you know even and I'm so happy I knew. 865 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 1: I knew basically somebody my man toned from Queens at 866 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 1: that time. We haven't spoken a while, but he he 867 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: knew a few dudes from Queens and he's seen how 868 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: he was riding around at that time. He like him, 869 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: let me put this ship to bed, because I'm being 870 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: honest with you. I've seen an interview and I apologize 871 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: to his baby mom's and his daughter because you know, 872 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: that was just ignorant ship. But it was just an 873 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: over way to handle at the time. And I remember 874 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: she was like she was, she said in an interview. 875 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,479 Speaker 1: I don't know who it was. She's like, Nig's gonna 876 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: do this to Cam at that time, DA, And I 877 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: was like, no, he wasn't. You know what I'm saying, 878 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: not at that's not saying that thing. You have a 879 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: tough crew, but show I was yo. I was working 880 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: with some hungry, hungry, hungry, hungry people at that time. 881 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: And like I said, I apologize to her and her 882 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: daughter and now the daughter. I was totally out of 883 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: line and totally wrong, but we were just on the 884 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: mission at that particular time to try and get to 885 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: the bag, you know what I'm saying. And I had 886 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: so many people with me because you gotta realize, you know, 887 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: big Y'll head died May Set left. I had basically 888 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: haulom on my back. I was basically the savior for 889 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: fucking hole Burrow, you know what I'm saying. So I 890 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: had a lot of people willing to do whatever for me, 891 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: and that part of that's probably part of the reason 892 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: why I went so hard as well. You know what 893 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying, is because it was so many people like Kim, 894 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: you can't let nis do this to us, So you 895 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: can't let niggas do that to us, and do what 896 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: you wanna do be cause I got your back. And 897 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: so at that particular time, you know, I was running 898 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 1: around the streets really really strong and reckless. You know 899 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I even called I caught on a 900 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 1: gun case in two thousand two, And to be honest, 901 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm happy I got caught when I got caught because 902 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 1: we was our mindset thought we was above the world. 903 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: When once the money start coming in and then the 904 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: fame too, and we already is you start thinking you 905 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: above the Lord, you know what I'm saying. So you 906 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: think that also led to some of the tension and 907 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: dip set at the time, and then Gym's emergency, it 908 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: seemed like then you got low right like you mean 909 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: it between you within the crew what once? What once? 910 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: The movie got big and the money's and everybody's making 911 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: different money now, and it's like, well, that's years later, 912 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that's years down the line. 913 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: But you know, it falls with me and Jim. There's 914 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I could have done differently 915 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: behind the scenes that may have been said and not 916 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: sent on both of our part. You know what I'm saying. 917 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: Jim's attitude is he not just music. He had to 918 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: fight for whatever he got. You know what I'm saying, 919 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: But it's a call. I remember I bought a new 920 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: car he my bends I was telling you about. I 921 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: had a call, brand new car for three days. Jim 922 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: when he got an actor, I don't even know how 923 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 1: he got it, you know what I'm saying. He didn't 924 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: want me to have a car. He didn't have a call. 925 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But that was my man 926 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: from top to bottom. And we all said ship that 927 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have said. But all that come with it. 928 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: If nobody, everybody would be lying, if they say that 929 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: they're not a little bit victim of the lie. I'm like, 930 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And nobody, nobody's above feeling 931 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: good and wanting lie like once in a while, you 932 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Maybe Kevin allows it, and you 933 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But even now Kevin allows as 934 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: an Instagram you know what I'm saying, or whatever, it's 935 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: different times. You got Jim out of five h man. Yeah, 936 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,880 Speaker 1: well he get itself out as well. You know what 937 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. One thing about Jim, Jim probably works harder 938 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: than anybody I know. You know, if you look at 939 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: his Instagram or anything, he's always got son. He got 940 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: a soda, or he got weed or a phone or 941 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: anything Jim goes on. He really works hard. So anything 942 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: Jim gets is you can't ever say he's lazy. I can't. 943 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 1: I can't accuse him of that. You mentioned that Mace earlier, like, 944 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: are you guys in a better place nowadays? I haven't 945 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: spoke to me, so I'm saying so, I don't have 946 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: a problem with him. You know, that last situation was 947 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: more music or whatever. I don't know, I be if 948 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: we see each other, But I don't really have a 949 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: problem like that. But it was all music. I thought 950 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,320 Speaker 1: what he did was cute. Nothing for reals about Tommy 951 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: fight back. But oh yeah, yeah, he might have got 952 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: you in that battle little something. People. A lot of 953 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 1: people say that, but I remember on Mace for years, 954 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: so probably yeah, that was dope. Um, he got his 955 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: spawn back, got a little backbone. Yeah, give the hip 956 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 1: hop cam. No, it's it's part of the game, you know, yo. Listen, 957 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,760 Speaker 1: you can't take the attitude that I have and expect 958 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: stuff not to come back to your way. It is 959 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: what it is. If you're a boxer, you're gonna get hit. 960 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: You know, it's about hitting back after that, you know 961 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Bill Ronny kind hard too once us 962 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: a time. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was all front. 963 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: I didn't even know who Billo Ronny wasn't that particular. 964 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: I remember um classic cam moments. It's like classic songs 965 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,800 Speaker 1: and classic publicist that Rocket Fellows like that. I'm you know, 966 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 1: you gotta go Bill Rodney, like you'll be careful with 967 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: this guy so seriously, but I didn't know who he was. 968 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: And then they like people like you're gonna bill a 969 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: real unit. No, I'm going back. I'm going with you 970 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: because I guess he went on there before and they 971 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: kind of sensed him to what he wanted to say, 972 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,840 Speaker 1: and this was kind of his revenge. So I already 973 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: went in there with the attitude of everybody telling me, 974 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: can be careful, Kim, and I'm like, yo, I don't. 975 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: It's nobody. If we're gonna get into verbal sparr And 976 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm damn for whatever. I'm cool with that. Nobody's gonna 977 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: out talk me. That's never gonna happen. But I've seen 978 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: how aggressive Dame was I kind of felt off, fed 979 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: off Dame's energy because Damon went up there before, and 980 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never seen it, but the way 981 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: Dame baud it too, was he didn't get his ship 982 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: off the way that he wanted to get his ship off, 983 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: and this was his opportunity to get back. So I'm 984 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: more was playing robbing the Batman on that particular episode. 985 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 1: He was like a current affair, yeah, because they was. 986 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: They was telling me ship at the office like you 987 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: he started his career and telling So I was just 988 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: like more laughing because to me, I don't care who 989 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,800 Speaker 1: you are, I'm gonna get at you and we're gonna 990 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: take that type of stance. But so they was, you know, 991 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: all the market and promotion, the publishers telling me be careful, 992 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,760 Speaker 1: be care I'm like, but I thought it was funny. 993 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: So that's why when I went up there all off 994 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: the back, I'm going off what they told me. So 995 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm coming up here my own energy off 996 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: the back. Classic snitching is the big talk this year. 997 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: Sixty minutes. He made it clear that the serial killers 998 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 1: in Partment what they did was sixty minutes. Also, they 999 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: edited out what they wanted to add it out. What 1000 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: I told him was, you know, they made it seem 1001 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: that way they of the two. I said, look, it's 1002 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: not my job to do your job, you know what 1003 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then what they also didn't put out, 1004 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 1: but they also didn't put his See what people don't 1005 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: realize and telling, right is what if telling doesn't work, 1006 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,640 Speaker 1: and then you got to go back to the environment 1007 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 1: or the person you told on didn't get convicted and 1008 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 1: living in the same building, block, neighborhood, whatever with the 1009 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: person you're putting the finger on. Yeah, and then everybody 1010 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,600 Speaker 1: in the block is like your snitch, there's out of jail. 1011 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: You gotta look at them, your families around. It's just 1012 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: a dangerous situation because telling doesn't mean that you're going 1013 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 1: to get a conviction. So it's not guaranteed just because 1014 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: you go tell that you're gonna get the conviction. Then 1015 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,719 Speaker 1: they didn't put the part when I was like the 1016 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: blue shield of silence police doing and this is going 1017 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,280 Speaker 1: on now. Let alone back when I did that interview, 1018 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,520 Speaker 1: police do a lot of dirt and me and you partners, 1019 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: you slap somebody up, do some foul ship, And they 1020 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: questioned me about I'm gonna say, you ain't do nothing 1021 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 1: that got trying to attack you up because it's the 1022 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: blue shield of silence. But that's that's not snitching in 1023 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: the police force, you know what I'm saying. So it's 1024 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,799 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. Yeah, they lived by that cold 1025 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff they didn't put in the interview. 1026 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: They just trying to make me seem like, oh I'm 1027 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: moving if we're serial. They addited a lot out. But 1028 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: it's cool. One fund when the Rap City freestyle, you're 1029 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 1: counting the money that there's a whole new generation that 1030 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: just what do your memories of that? Were you really 1031 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,800 Speaker 1: count money? Like even how much you add on you? 1032 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 1: How do you how do you rap and count money 1033 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: at the same time. You got to think of stuff 1034 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: to stand out, you know what I'm saying, Like you 1035 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: gotta realize like we wasn't there from the beginning and 1036 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,400 Speaker 1: the basement, like so many people wrapped in the basement. 1037 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,319 Speaker 1: What are you going to do to make your time 1038 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: in the basement memorable? You know, it was a bunch 1039 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: of people that came before and after me that wrapped 1040 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 1: in the basement, But you remember that. I think it's 1041 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 1: the most famous, probably the most famous rap city free stuff. 1042 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate it because it's a memorable moment. It's transferred 1043 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: to the new generation, right, absolutely, Yeah, Cam, I was 1044 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,319 Speaker 1: thinking about the last Diplomat album, and you know, on 1045 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 1: the intro, you seem like you had some words for 1046 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: Kanye West, like you get what kind of hard on Kanye? 1047 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: In the last couple of joints are You're going to 1048 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: Sunday Service. I don't know what I even want, right 1049 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: and Kanye or whatever. I don't ever really go hard 1050 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: to tell it you. I just be saying what happened, 1051 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: and then people like, oh, he dissed them. I never 1052 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,440 Speaker 1: dis neet nobody. You never diss these people. I just 1053 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,320 Speaker 1: really be saying what happened, And because you state what happens, 1054 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,480 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, he dissed them more he went hard 1055 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: on them or whatever. But I don't know what I said, 1056 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: Tom or something like that. I don't remember, but I'm 1057 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,280 Speaker 1: not saying I didn't. But I'm just saying, um because 1058 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,560 Speaker 1: I wrote it on the spot just for the beat. 1059 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 1: But I remember, and I said, my man, I got 1060 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,279 Speaker 1: love for Kanye too. But I remember something happened and 1061 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: Dave was saying like, now he does this because he's 1062 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: by Polar, and I'm like, you know what you're talking about, Like, Yo, 1063 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,360 Speaker 1: we knew kin for man years and now he's brought Polo, 1064 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 1: so what's not saying he's not I just never knew this, 1065 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: So I kind of wrote about that in that verse 1066 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: or whatever the cases. But I remember Dame telling me 1067 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 1: that like probably a few days before I wrote the verse, 1068 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, bro, I didn't know this man, 1069 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: so it was kind of like that was it was 1070 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: kind of new news to me. But whatever it is, 1071 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: I really feel that I gotta listen to it again 1072 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,439 Speaker 1: because a lot of stuff I wrote on the spot 1073 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,720 Speaker 1: and I keep it pushing, but I'm pretty sure whatever 1074 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 1: I said was some facts that was going on. I 1075 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: remember the Bob Polar part because Damon told me that 1076 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: ship and he was kind of trying to make an 1077 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: excuse for some ship. I don't remember what it was, 1078 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,000 Speaker 1: but I don't necessarily maybe odds because I didn't really 1079 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: have not a facts or nas and like I said, 1080 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: but anything like people I know and I feel that 1081 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: they didn't do the right thing and didn't do something right. 1082 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: I just state what happened I guess it still could 1083 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,320 Speaker 1: be this. If you want to call it this, I 1084 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: call it. I'll be saying it's the facts. You're gonna 1085 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: get some facts on his purple haste too, right, Absolutely, man, 1086 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 1: Andy ain't can reveal about it. It's tough. Man. Who 1087 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 1: do you rely on, like in that process of ticking songs? 1088 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: You do you trust anybody else's judgment? Yeah? Absolutely, because 1089 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: you know I'll be around Nigga's to tell me like 1090 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: that I should just trash care and I like it 1091 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: females to like and it isn't just one person. I 1092 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,400 Speaker 1: play ship a lot of times. There's a lot of 1093 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,920 Speaker 1: DJs in the hood that I played for two because 1094 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: you know DJ has got good is because they got 1095 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: the DJ parties or whatever. So I'll play for a 1096 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: few DJ's in the hood that do a lot of 1097 00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 1: sports bars. And that's been consistent for you, is that 1098 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 1: people funk with I play for some females check their 1099 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,920 Speaker 1: attitude out, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But um, at the end 1100 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 1: of the day, I definitely got to keep people around 1101 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 1: me who's gonna tell me that what's real and what's 1102 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: not real, because if not, then you're just fooling yourself. 1103 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: You may put some bullshit out, you know what I'm saying. 1104 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 1: You're saying that having this having a six hour t 1105 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 1: how do you look at your you know, as people 1106 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: draw around these empty lists now and stuff like that, 1107 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,960 Speaker 1: how do you view your legacy and the legacy of 1108 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 1: dip set, Like what do you think you you've your 1109 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,400 Speaker 1: contribution has been to hip hop? Like how do you 1110 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: define your place in the game and what you've accomplished. 1111 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,960 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people funk with us because 1112 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,920 Speaker 1: we came right before like the Internet era right there 1113 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 1: talking about dip set anyway, And so as kids are 1114 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,240 Speaker 1: getting older, they're doing all the ship that we would 1115 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,280 Speaker 1: did before Instagram or Twitter and you know, money, pulling 1116 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,880 Speaker 1: money out on the gram or pulling guns out on them, 1117 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: or pulling your reality like if you go to YouTube 1118 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: or smack DVDs. We just doing all that ship, you 1119 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, You know what I mean. So 1120 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 1: I think that they adapted to it because where this 1121 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,239 Speaker 1: be with the generation right before this generation that's out 1122 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,399 Speaker 1: now and like I said, just still be an act 1123 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,399 Speaker 1: for him. People want to funk with dip set. People 1124 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: have dip set tattoos and diplomatic. I think it's and 1125 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying our logo is more famous or maybe 1126 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: just his favorite, but it's our logo and the boot 1127 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,840 Speaker 1: Tank logo. People identify those logos. You know. It's a 1128 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: bunch of artists. They used the dipper Man your logo 1129 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,879 Speaker 1: and put their stuff in it. You know what I'm saying. 1130 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 1: Whatever the label is or their name or whatever. And 1131 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate all that love, you know what I'm saying, 1132 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: But um, far as legacy, I just think me personally, 1133 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: I just think it ended kind of early. Not saying 1134 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: it ended because we always brothers and always gonna meet up, 1135 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: but our fighting each other ended what could have been 1136 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 1: a longer run. So you think it was more about 1137 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,399 Speaker 1: the movement you built and you're looking at for your 1138 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,480 Speaker 1: own loan situation, you as a person, as an artist, 1139 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of wrapped into building the building 1140 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: the bigger unit. Do you look at you? People came 1141 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,080 Speaker 1: a separate Um, well, I came in by myself. But 1142 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 1: I don't think one person is above the group. You 1143 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. People love the group, And like 1144 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,920 Speaker 1: I was saying, um, I didn't do nothing. You know 1145 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people give me credit and everything. I 1146 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 1: didn't do nothing that I didn't watch people do before me. 1147 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like I said, whether it's 1148 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,439 Speaker 1: rocket fella, whether it's rough riders, whether it's murdered inc. 1149 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,440 Speaker 1: Whether it's cash money, whether it's no limit. I watched 1150 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,840 Speaker 1: all these people assemble their crew, and I love I've 1151 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 1: seen people fall in love with movements, and I thought 1152 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 1: we had the lame wide open for that, and I 1153 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: took advantage of it. Can we talk about those real 1154 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: bottle wars a big meach some of the Jim Jones 1155 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 1: al Copo. Yeah, it was a party one time in Miami, 1156 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: and they was like spilling drinks. Nobody knew to be 1157 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,400 Speaker 1: m was. They're spilling like drinks over the top of 1158 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 1: the real the rail and I was underneath for whatever 1159 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 1: balcony it was. But Jim was getting wet, Jim and 1160 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 1: somebody else getting wet, and they got they like you 1161 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 1: stop sucking throwing ship. They didn't give a funk. They 1162 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,240 Speaker 1: kept throwing ship. So Jim went up there with some 1163 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: other people and somebody from that and got cut so 1164 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:32,440 Speaker 1: allegedly y allegedly right, So we got to show the 1165 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: next day, and I'm doing my show and I'm looking 1166 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 1: at the crowd. The crowds moving, it's cool, and they 1167 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 1: some a lot of people in the crowd holding up 1168 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 1: some black mafia family to towns and ships. There's a 1169 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 1: lot of them. So the show was over. It was cool. 1170 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,600 Speaker 1: So we're schilling. I don't think it's cool from the 1171 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,640 Speaker 1: Royal Palm and we're chilling in front of there. So 1172 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 1: they're like ten people. I don't know if you ever 1173 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,200 Speaker 1: been in real parts, like a long driveway in Miami 1174 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. So we're kind of like spread out. But 1175 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,000 Speaker 1: the avenuees like right here. So we're chilling all spread 1176 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 1: out and ten people come like to the avenue, all right, 1177 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:28,440 Speaker 1: which whenty people come to? Thirty people come to the avenue. 1178 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,440 Speaker 1: It's like about fourteen years a lot of people outside 1179 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: was like fourteen of us, but there's other people, girls, 1180 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,480 Speaker 1: everything out there. Now they got like forty niggers over here. 1181 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't know who these niggers are, you know what 1182 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm like, what the funk is going on? 1183 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: And they're just looking. They started pulling guns out and 1184 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,280 Speaker 1: pipes and they was trying to get Jim. So they 1185 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: ran towards Jim. I've seen the police run. The police 1186 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:58,080 Speaker 1: ducked under the call my niggers ran. I was with 1187 00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 1: one of my niggers. I don't want to sit there 1188 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 1: and say, YO, just shoot if niggas coming to what. 1189 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what the fun is 1190 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 1: going on? And my man is like back, but they 1191 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 1: ran past me. I didn't know where they was going. 1192 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,080 Speaker 1: I guess they were trying to get Jim. Jimmy went 1193 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,120 Speaker 1: the Royal Palm. Then they walked past me. It's like, YO, 1194 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: tell your niggas get together. I'm like, who the funk 1195 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: are y'all right? He was, So a friend of mine 1196 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 1: told me who they was and we we sat down 1197 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,120 Speaker 1: and squashed it, and they was mad at Jim still, 1198 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,919 Speaker 1: so Jim Jim had a show in Atlanta maybe two 1199 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,680 Speaker 1: months after that. No Man Jim went down there, I 1200 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,720 Speaker 1: think with two people to the club, and when he 1201 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,640 Speaker 1: got there, they respected him for going by myself and like, 1202 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,240 Speaker 1: now we gotta funk with you if you wanna come 1203 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,320 Speaker 1: down here by yourself, And then he ended up being 1204 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: cool with Blue with Beach and everybody else because they 1205 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,960 Speaker 1: was like this on he got to be crazy. Hen 1206 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,800 Speaker 1: come down here by myself and don't give a fun 1207 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,440 Speaker 1: And then um, you know, they ended up coming to 1208 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 1: New York and I remember, um, you know, and like 1209 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,680 Speaker 1: I said, be already I got cool with them or whatever. 1210 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: I remember, I'm coming to New York and there's a 1211 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,920 Speaker 1: club called Club Show at the time, and uh I 1212 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,240 Speaker 1: wanted there if Christal was real popular at the time. 1213 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: So someone there I was like, give me timballs to 1214 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,200 Speaker 1: Christal and there's like b a Meth ordered order Christal 1215 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,200 Speaker 1: for the night. I said, what the fund is you 1216 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,320 Speaker 1: talking about? All the cred said they ordered all the Chris. 1217 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:35,960 Speaker 1: I said, they're not even here, they're coming. They pre 1218 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,200 Speaker 1: ordered them. They pre ordered all the Christal for the night, 1219 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 1: all right. So it's another club called Eugenes. Not want 1220 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 1: to pre ordered all the Christal the next night, you 1221 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, or whatever day was the next time, 1222 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,160 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm like, I ain't know. 1223 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Niggers could call ahead of time if you order all 1224 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,520 Speaker 1: the Chris styles. So I did that ship another night 1225 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,160 Speaker 1: to them, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, it 1226 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: was cool ship. There wasn't no real ship like that, 1227 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,280 Speaker 1: but it was more you know, bum bottles. But yeah, 1228 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,400 Speaker 1: the first nig is the pre order or pre orders 1229 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,960 Speaker 1: Champagne Christal. Anyway, we had to drink. They didn't have 1230 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,080 Speaker 1: more way. We had to end up drinking vood Kliko 1231 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,560 Speaker 1: that night. Ordered all the Chris down. So I want 1232 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,320 Speaker 1: to get that same ship at another club before they 1233 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,360 Speaker 1: got there. Got some fan question though, can Yeah, what 1234 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: did you mean and ste when you told I think 1235 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,880 Speaker 1: it was that to me when he said, like to 1236 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: my nigga, Duke, do the guard. I assume we all 1237 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,840 Speaker 1: make mistakes. I don't know whatever be going on at 1238 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,640 Speaker 1: the time. Sometime I'll just be righting whatever happened at 1239 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,240 Speaker 1: the time, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, me 1240 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,640 Speaker 1: and Dude we probably was arguing at the time, maybe 1241 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 1: so or whatever. It's funny because you know, Duke is like, uh, 1242 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,880 Speaker 1: it was real cool with blood Shot, my cousin who 1243 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: passed away. I got cool with dude through blood Shot 1244 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,440 Speaker 1: and on. Me and Duke used to always have these 1245 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: little arguments and ship. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1246 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 1: nothing crazy but little arguments and ship. And I remember 1247 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: after blood died, I wasn't speaking to dude I'm like, 1248 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't even know you like that, bro, you know 1249 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 1: that's cool with you because he's like, no, you have 1250 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,960 Speaker 1: to speak to me. This is because Duke is a 1251 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,000 Speaker 1: little crazy. But you have to speak to me, Blood. 1252 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 1: When I said, Yo, Brod, y'all, I'm not gonna let 1253 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,680 Speaker 1: you not speak to me. You have to speak to me. 1254 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,680 Speaker 1: It's this mandatory that we're gonna be friends, Blood, but 1255 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,800 Speaker 1: not want us not to be friends. Yeah, I think 1256 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: it's crazy. Man. I gotta funk with him. But I 1257 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,480 Speaker 1: don't remember exactly. I know the line you're talking about, 1258 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,479 Speaker 1: but whatever probably we him was going through at the time, 1259 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,919 Speaker 1: but I can't remember. Did you do to do it again? 1260 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,960 Speaker 1: Session with Destiny's Child? Was y'all together? When you all 1261 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,240 Speaker 1: did that? Man, let me tell you something like, Kim 1262 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:53,800 Speaker 1: gotta go. I'm sorry. I wasn't. I wasn't your story man, 1263 01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:00,880 Speaker 1: that's crazy, bro, crazy man Jim trades to this. Wow. 1264 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: So I had to do a show the day that 1265 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,640 Speaker 1: they did the session, right when Destiny that Child did 1266 01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:13,600 Speaker 1: the session. So, Um, I met dest Need's Child actually 1267 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,280 Speaker 1: before I the deal. Um, they had just signed of Columbia. 1268 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 1: I didn't have a deal yet. Wild Cliff was trying 1269 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,919 Speaker 1: to sign me in prize and on them We're all 1270 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: on the stand a live remix if you ever if 1271 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,480 Speaker 1: you ever listen to that. So that was the only 1272 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,840 Speaker 1: time I really spoke to them face to face. You know, 1273 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,520 Speaker 1: um talking about beyonceing Kelly and you know they changed 1274 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,760 Speaker 1: the other two around sporadically, but whatever, you know what 1275 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,960 Speaker 1: I mean. So I don't know the rest of them. 1276 01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 1: So that's the only time I really met them in 1277 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,080 Speaker 1: wild Cliff session and we talked because we's all new 1278 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,640 Speaker 1: artists and its cool vibes or whatever. So when they 1279 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,320 Speaker 1: did the do It Again song, I told you I 1280 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,520 Speaker 1: wrote the lyrics for them or whatever. I left it there. 1281 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,720 Speaker 1: Two weeks later, we had a show and um, Virginia 1282 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,440 Speaker 1: Remembers in Virginia and you know, on backstage, we're moving, 1283 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, everybody doing anything whatever. So these two girls 1284 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,440 Speaker 1: come up to me. I was like, yo, you like 1285 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,200 Speaker 1: the chorus we did. I'm like what. Jim is behind me, like, 1286 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, the 1287 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,600 Speaker 1: chorus we did for you? Don't like what chorus did 1288 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,200 Speaker 1: y'all do for me? They're like. Jim was like, oh, 1289 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,439 Speaker 1: Beyonce and Kelly. I'm like, oh ship yo, yo, my bad, y'all. 1290 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 1: I apologize that ship was dope, but they had the 1291 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,640 Speaker 1: attitude super dupe but attitude and walk the funk off 1292 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,640 Speaker 1: on me. I was like the gym was like, yo, 1293 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,760 Speaker 1: what the funk man? I only seen him one time, 1294 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,320 Speaker 1: like four years ago. My they got I didn't recogniz 1295 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,400 Speaker 1: because they wasn't like they were show dressed. They had 1296 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,160 Speaker 1: a baggy clothes on. I guess you know they was 1297 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,960 Speaker 1: going to get ready for their performance and ship like that. 1298 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,720 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But yeah, they didn't recognize 1299 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,560 Speaker 1: them and they was mad about that ship. It was 1300 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,560 Speaker 1: because Jim was mad at me behind it too. What's 1301 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,800 Speaker 1: your favorite songs to perform? Like, what's your like? I 1302 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,840 Speaker 1: guess if you had a camera on playlist, Like, what's 1303 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,360 Speaker 1: your goal to records? If I'm doing a quick show, 1304 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,680 Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes people won't mean not even the singles. No, 1305 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Like, if I'm doing a quick shoker, 1306 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,760 Speaker 1: sometimes you've been ten minutes says for Teo Manutes says, 1307 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,480 Speaker 1: when you're doing festivals and show like that, I'll do 1308 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,800 Speaker 1: down and Out. I really mean and sucking or not. 1309 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,480 Speaker 1: Gangster music. Let me see what else? Because I changed up. 1310 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,400 Speaker 1: It depends on where I'm at. You could do a 1311 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,919 Speaker 1: good bet side show too, Yeah, I changed up where 1312 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm at, Um depending on the location. But um, those 1313 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,640 Speaker 1: are probably four or five that definitely down and out 1314 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,600 Speaker 1: sucking or not, I really mean it, and gangster music 1315 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 1: probably my four go too. If I had to do 1316 01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 1: a short show. You gotta talk about losing weight weight? Yeah, 1317 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,479 Speaker 1: did your uncle really tell you at the leven can't 1318 01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:03,160 Speaker 1: get paid? Worthless? Kid? He wasn't my real uncle? Boy? Yeah? Yeah, 1319 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,920 Speaker 1: like uh uncle from the block definitely say that. You're 1320 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,120 Speaker 1: like you're big this earth risit. He put it to 1321 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,840 Speaker 1: me just like that. But you know they attitude where 1322 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 1: you come from, right, you can't get money right? For instance, 1323 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,400 Speaker 1: like this close? How they make this? You ever see 1324 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,160 Speaker 1: your show? How does it made? Cable? I watched Ship 1325 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,720 Speaker 1: all the time because there's so many people don't take 1326 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,760 Speaker 1: the time and energy to find out how to get 1327 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,400 Speaker 1: to what they want to do. Like Niga come up 1328 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,720 Speaker 1: to me, that's a real story. They would be like, yo, Kim, 1329 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,920 Speaker 1: I want to open the store. And I'll be like 1330 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,200 Speaker 1: all right, cool, what we're doing. He's like, I just 1331 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,280 Speaker 1: want to open the store. Like, so we don't know 1332 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 1: if we're selling cold cuts of sneakers. We don't know 1333 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,240 Speaker 1: what the funk we're doing. You ain't doing to due 1334 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,120 Speaker 1: diligence to go see what the rent would be every year. 1335 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,840 Speaker 1: You didn't see what the water build of electric still 1336 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,400 Speaker 1: made of electricity B bill b every year you haven't 1337 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,200 Speaker 1: done a estimated. You don't know what. First of all, 1338 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,680 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're selling, so you don't know 1339 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,120 Speaker 1: how much inventory with course or what against your gross 1340 01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,120 Speaker 1: against your net. You need to go put a business 1341 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,040 Speaker 1: playing together and come back. You just want to open 1342 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,160 Speaker 1: up a store. You want to use my money? In 1343 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,479 Speaker 1: my brain, what the funk I need you for? I 1344 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,800 Speaker 1: can do this in myself. I don't make no sense. 1345 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,200 Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't do the due diligence. 1346 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,360 Speaker 1: So like that line that you're talking about, you know 1347 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,240 Speaker 1: that's older niggas on my block attitude, like how big 1348 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,160 Speaker 1: this well you you know when I was younger nigga's 1349 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,400 Speaker 1: attitude like it's too much ship in the world that 1350 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,519 Speaker 1: you could learn and do, and people be wanting fast money. 1351 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,720 Speaker 1: But if you take some time to learn how to 1352 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,880 Speaker 1: do stuff, then you can make money. These wheels on 1353 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,000 Speaker 1: this camera. Who made that wheels? Who made the fucking wheels? 1354 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,040 Speaker 1: We don't know, you know what I'm saying. But somebody 1355 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,640 Speaker 1: made the wheels. Somebody made that stand, you know what 1356 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Somebody had to make this cord. You know 1357 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,959 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Somebody had to make this clothe with it, pillows, everything, 1358 01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,160 Speaker 1: somebody's doing it. It ain't just pop up here, you 1359 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So a lot of times people 1360 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,360 Speaker 1: don't take the time or do the due diligence or homework. 1361 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,240 Speaker 1: They just want to say I want to do this, 1362 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,920 Speaker 1: when it's a lot of work that goes into doing 1363 01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,439 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. I saw that. If you 1364 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,920 Speaker 1: want you said you wanted to get into making toilet paper, Yeah, 1365 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,120 Speaker 1: I did to do this or not toilet paper machine. 1366 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,960 Speaker 1: The cheapest one is twelve thousand. You could go on 1367 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,400 Speaker 1: the one that could toward a hundred sixty tho brand new. Uh, seriously, 1368 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,200 Speaker 1: that's how much. Of course, if you google it there 1369 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. But I have to I didn't have time. 1370 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,799 Speaker 1: The person I was working with never did. The homeworkers, 1371 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,599 Speaker 1: I don't have time to make a toilet paper full 1372 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,000 Speaker 1: full time. But I'm saying, like, yo, you know what 1373 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,080 Speaker 1: I mean, But it would be smart to do toilet paper. Yo, 1374 01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,080 Speaker 1: everyone use this toilet paper, because that's what I'm saying. 1375 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,200 Speaker 1: It's things that there's a luxury and there's things that 1376 01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,280 Speaker 1: are necessity, like you don't have to have a call. 1377 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 1: It's convenient. You gotta use toilet paper. Everybody in this 1378 01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:01,000 Speaker 1: room is gonna use toilet paper. I hope I'm saying. 1379 01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,800 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1380 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,360 Speaker 1: It's a fact that you're all gonna use some toilet 1381 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,080 Speaker 1: paper in the next day and a half. You know 1382 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,639 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It is a fact. Yeah, exactly. I'm 1383 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,519 Speaker 1: just giving the leeway case you went already. You know 1384 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,840 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you're gonna use toilet paper, and I 1385 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,880 Speaker 1: bet you it's probably you know, I haven't done it 1386 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,120 Speaker 1: the homework in a long time on it. But what 1387 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,800 Speaker 1: you got, Seaman Scottie's what else? It's not a fresh 1388 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,839 Speaker 1: new brand in the marketplace. It's probably generational families, families 1389 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:38,280 Speaker 1: just eating, eating, eating, eating, Yes, all for this toilet paper. 1390 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,040 Speaker 1: And there's no new toilet paper. You know what I'm saying, 1391 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:48,040 Speaker 1: the market toilet paper for black females alone, Like females, 1392 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,559 Speaker 1: you have a little more extra than the average person. 1393 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,080 Speaker 1: This is for you, you know, yeah, yeah, this is 1394 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,600 Speaker 1: definitely yeah, your threat counting on the toilet paper. This 1395 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,160 Speaker 1: is the comfort level you need. And some and so 1396 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,600 Speaker 1: so and so they eat that up. You know what 1397 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean. You've made some changes with the dip set store, 1398 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,719 Speaker 1: but you not only sell the clothes, which an amazing 1399 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,920 Speaker 1: look great, thank you, You're selling like coffee mugs and 1400 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:17,600 Speaker 1: shower curtains and everything, diplomats everything. Yeah, I mean, to 1401 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,639 Speaker 1: be honest, a lot of stuff outside of the clothes. 1402 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,080 Speaker 1: It's stuff that I see people make and I'm and 1403 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,800 Speaker 1: and what happens is I'm not even I'm not even 1404 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,000 Speaker 1: against it. So like I give an example, like coffee Mark. 1405 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,960 Speaker 1: I've seen somebody sell on the coffee mar so we 1406 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:38,160 Speaker 1: tracked them down. I can put camera like a camera unauthorized. 1407 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,680 Speaker 1: I can put a season to sis out, but it 1408 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,840 Speaker 1: was their idea. So I try to eat with them. 1409 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 1: This is dope, but I need half. I'm gonna go 1410 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,519 Speaker 1: with half because it's something my likeness. You know what 1411 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying, oh, we can't afford to do it. You 1412 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,760 Speaker 1: sure right, And I'm doing myself on my site if 1413 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,320 Speaker 1: you don't want to eat together because now I'm a 1414 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,280 Speaker 1: solidifying my own coffee up by, I'm presenting you the 1415 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:03,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to get any because this was your idea. You 1416 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:08,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But yeah, it's not doing that well, Finna. 1417 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,519 Speaker 1: So a lot of stuff, candles, all that stuff I 1418 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,000 Speaker 1: see other people doing, not track them down to work 1419 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,960 Speaker 1: with them. And a few people have worked me as well. 1420 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Other people it's not as lucrative. And then when they 1421 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,400 Speaker 1: act like it's not lucrative. I tested out myself on 1422 01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,920 Speaker 1: my own side. It's that picture that's so iconic and 1423 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,320 Speaker 1: it's just become Yeah, I'm not mail Mona Lisa. You 1424 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:33,720 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Definitely last one beat out when 1425 01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,800 Speaker 1: we go. So I'm just happy to we did this, 1426 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,760 Speaker 1: man Like, thank you guys for having me. I know, 1427 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,599 Speaker 1: um on a different mat project. We're supposed to get 1428 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,240 Speaker 1: off with you guys and everything didn't work out. Was 1429 01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,760 Speaker 1: I apologize about that, but thank you for having that 1430 01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,120 Speaker 1: doing a dip set cover when I'll cut it off 1431 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:56,920 Speaker 1: on them, like for excels Okay, I told me down. 1432 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. Thank you absolutely man. Like a 1433 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 1: big st fan, that's my ship. I fight for that 1434 01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:08,840 Speaker 1: album all time. What's coming to December sixteenth? Man, thank 1435 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,520 Speaker 1: you so much. That Right Off Podcast