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Welcome back. It's Mike Schallenberger. 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: This is KF I am six forty sitting in for 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: John Account and Johnny Ken Show. Well, we've covered some 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: pretty heavy topics so far. We've covered the addiction, the 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: homeless crisis, the energy crisis. I guess I was gonna 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: say we're gonna turn too some lighter fare UFOs, but 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's not. Maybe it's heavy. Who knows there is 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: now government investigation of this. People say UFOs are real, 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we know what they are. The you refers 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: to unidentified So it's kind of like saying that we 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: don't know what everything is, which maybe isn't as wild 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: with an idea as we thought. Nonetheless, there's a lot 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: of goofiness in this issue. I've certainly never talked about 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: this publicly, but you know, look, I pay attention to 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: this stuff just like anybody else does. One of the 25 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: I think most sober people out there is this guy, 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: Nick Pope. He actually ran the British government's investigation into 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: UFOs and looked at a bunch of cases. He's somewhat famous. 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: He's on a bunch of TV shows. You know, when 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: other people are always attributing everything to aliens, Nick is 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: the guy that's like, you know, we don't know. And 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: that's kind of why I wanted to start the show 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: off with them. Nick Pope, are you with us? I 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: am thanky to be on the show. Thanks for having 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: me on. Hey, great to have you. So. Look, UFOs 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: are now kind of mainstream. I'm comfortable talking about how 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about them. How would you describe the public 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: conversation about this. There's been some government reports. Just talk 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: to me as though I've been asleep in a cave 39 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: for the last ten years. What kind of change has 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: there been in the conversation about UFOs in your mind, 41 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: it's been a massive change. It's been a one hundred 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: and eighty degree term. This subject has come out of 43 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: the fringe and into the mainstream. I think a few 44 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: years ago, if you'd stopped someone in the street, they 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: would say, oh, yeah, X files, crazy conspiracy staff and 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: things like that. Now, as you say, there have been 47 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: revelations about the Pentagon having a program called a TIP 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: that looked at this. There have been classified briefings in Congress, 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: and a few weeks ago public hearing. Last summer, the 50 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Office of the Director of National Intelligence issue the preliminary 51 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: assessment of all this. So suddenly we are having a conversation. 52 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because it's completely bipartisan. Number of Republicans 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: and Democrats. Congressional representatives are looking at this. There have 54 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: been discussions in both the House and the Senate, the 55 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: Intelligence committees, the Armed Services committees. It's suddenly people are 56 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: seeing this as a defense and national security issue. Well, yeah, 57 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because it's close to home. We're 58 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. This is you know. The big thing 59 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: that broke this open was, of course, these navy pilots. 60 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: I believe there were some off the coast of southern California, 61 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: but then others off the east coast who came forward 62 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: and said they'd had these sightings. A story came out 63 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: last month saying that California has had more UFO sidings 64 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: than any other state. I mean, when you look into 65 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: this issue, it's amazing, like Los Angeles has had one 66 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: of the most famous UFO sightings of all times. It 67 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: occurred during World War Two. I wonder if you can 68 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: say a little something about, maybe you kind of back 69 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: us up a bit, when do we start seeing when 70 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: do people start seeing UFOs in Los Angeles and southern California, 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: And then and maybe talk a little about that big 72 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: side and then what's what's been going on more recently? Sure, well, 73 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: I think you can say it's almost one of these 74 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: truisms that people have probably seen strange things in the 75 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 1: sky since the dawn of time. But the modern UFO 76 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: mystery really dates back to the Second World War and 77 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: the immediate post war period. That's when it came to 78 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: public attention. And yeah, the so called Battle of Los 79 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: Angeles is one of these classic cases. It's nineteen forty two. 80 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: It's just a few weeks after Pearl Harbor, and essentially 81 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: something flew and was seen over Los Angeles and all 82 00:04:54,520 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: the civil defense folks with their anti aircraft guns actually 83 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: opened up on something. They fired their powerful searchlights up 84 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: at it. And there's an iconic picture that I think 85 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: is in the archives of one of the old Los 86 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: Angeles papers showing something caught in these beams and all 87 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: the Triple A being fired up at it. And they 88 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: fired for hours, and some people said they hit the 89 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: thing and there was no effects. And it's still something 90 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: of a mystery, but it's one of these bizarre things. 91 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: It's it's almost faded from from public awareness. I mean, 92 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: I guess it's been a long time. And then they 93 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: made a Hollywood movie which which I kind of guests, 94 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: took the origin story and it had some fun with it. 95 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: But now people people kind of forget that there was 96 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: a real incident. I mean, it's an incredible photo. It's 97 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: actually on the it was on the Los Angeles Times 98 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: with the Battle of Los Angeles, you know, Nick. One 99 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: of the things, Yeah, one of the things so interesting 100 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: to me is somebody that is not an expert but 101 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: just sort of read about this, is that I think 102 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: most people sort of jump to the conclusion that these 103 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: UFOs are spaceships with little aliens from different planets, and 104 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: maybe that's what it is. But when you read you 105 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: know people like Jacques Valet, who's this very kind of 106 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: respected scientist. He was the French character, the young French 107 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: guy in the Steven Spielberg movie Close Encounters of the 108 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: Third Kind. He says, if I'm not misunderstanding, he's sort 109 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: of instances. We don't really know what these things are. 110 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: We don't know if they're from different planets. I mean, 111 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: how is there It's hard because I know this is 112 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: still considered not mainstream, but is there a consensus view 113 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: among any UFO experts about what it is that we're 114 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 1: looking at. Do most people think that these are people 115 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: or these are beings from different planets or is it 116 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: just much more uncertain than that. In terms of pop culture, 117 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: I think the extraterrestrial hypothesis is clearly very popular, and 118 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: it's it's captured the public imagination, both both in the 119 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: news and in sci fi movies. But in reality, there's 120 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: there's much less consensus than people might think, and there's 121 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different theories people people talk about extraterrestrials, 122 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: but other people think time travelers from the future. People 123 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: talk about hidden dimensions, which a few years ago would 124 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: probably have been regarded as crazy, but now they're doing 125 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff at the Large Hadron Collider in Europe, 126 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: people like Michio Kaku literally looking for these so called 127 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: extra dimensions that you need for string theory to hold together. 128 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: And then there are I guess, the more conventional theories 129 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: that maybe this is adversary technology, some secret prototype aircraft, 130 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: missile or drone from China or Russia, or even that 131 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: it's our own tach some highly classified, deeply compartmentalized program 132 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: that even all the security clear people in Congress can't 133 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: get access too. I mean, the intelligence assessment I mentioned 134 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: that was issued last summer said likely there is no 135 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: single explanation for this. There's probably a whole bunch of 136 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: different things going on. Well, what, I'm just curious. You've 137 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: studied this for a really long time, now decades, I believe, 138 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: has there been something that you've changed your mind on 139 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: or have you has your own thinking changed over the years, 140 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: or are you or has it basically been the same 141 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: for several decades? Oh, I changed my mind all the time. 142 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: I came into this quite by accident. I was a 143 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: civilian employee at the UK Ministry of Defense and for 144 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: much of the early nineties I was assigned to their 145 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: UFO program. I came in very skeptical. Actually, I thought 146 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: there was probably nothing to this except misidentifications and hoaxes. 147 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: And then I started to delve into it. I got 148 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: two or three hundred report each year, but also I 149 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: delved into the archive of files and it was clear 150 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: to me and then this is what we're I guess, 151 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: getting more visibility off here in the US. But it 152 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: was clear that this wasn't just anecdotal evidence. These things 153 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: were tracked on military radar systems. They were occasionally picked 154 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: up on military satellite filmed on ford looking infrared camera 155 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: like the US Navy videos that you mentioned a few 156 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: moments ago. And so there's a range of corroborative physical 157 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: evidence to back up some of this. So yeah, that 158 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: that changed my mind. It made me, I suppose, more 159 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: open minded about some of the more exotic possibilities. Nick Pope, 160 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: thanks so much. I appreciate you keeping an open mind 161 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: about this. I think it's important that we don't jump 162 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: to conclusions. I'm Mike Schellenberger. This is care if I 163 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: am six or forty sitting in for Johnny Ken and 164 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: Johnny Ken show. Stick with Us're gonna do more UFOs 165 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: after the break, We're covering UFOs. This is something I've 166 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: literally never talked about, but it's in the news. The 167 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: US government says they're investigating it. I want to start 168 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: with people. I thought I had a lot of credibility 169 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: on it. We just heard from Nick Pope, he ran 170 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: the British government's investigation to UFOs. My next guest is 171 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: a guy named John Greenwalt Junior. He runs something called 172 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Black Vault. When he was fifteen years old, he demanded 173 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: that the CIA send him the documents that they had 174 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: I've been collecting on UFOs filed Freedom of Information Act requests. 175 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: He was persistent with it, and last year I believe 176 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: he got twenty seven hundred pages of UFO related documents, 177 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: uploaded them to his website. It's called Black Vault. Apparently 178 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: there's two point two million pages of UFO documents. So 179 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: this is a lot of credibility because this is not 180 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: just you know, hearsay. This is a guy that has 181 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: actually went and got the documents that the US government 182 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: has been using. Really excited to talk to him, John Greenwall, 183 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: are you there? I am, Yeah, thanks for having me. Hey, 184 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. Well, so you're just an interesting person. 185 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: You're fifteen years old and you, I mean, that's not 186 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: a typical fifteen year old thing to do, to go 187 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: request that the CIA hand over the UFO documents. What 188 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: inspired you to do that? Yeah? It, To be honest 189 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: with you, I don't have a great story other than 190 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: I was just simply curious. I never had an experience, 191 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: and not to age myself. It's now been twenty six 192 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: years since I started filing foy as when I was fifteen, 193 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: and I've done over ten thousand of them, not only 194 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: on UFOs but pretty much every government secret you can imagine. 195 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: And UFOs to me is just simply the most fascinating 196 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: and it is one of the most easily provable cover 197 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: ups that the government has done. I mean, what's interesting 198 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: about it? I went in just looked at I went 199 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: and read a bunch of I went and read all 200 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: the New York Times articles about UFOs a couple of 201 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: years ago, just using their archives, and I was struck 202 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: that like there was like big New York Times stories 203 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: in the mid seventies early mid early seventies about the 204 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: government cover up of UFOs. I mean, if you say 205 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: government cover up, you sound like a conspiracy theorist. But 206 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: that is something that we know they did. They did 207 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: cover up UFOs. So you say it's fascinating, what like 208 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: looking over the sweep of the US government's investigation to UFOs, 209 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: what do you think is interesting about it? What makes 210 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: what stands out to you as a pattern, or what 211 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: makes you what's particularly fascinating for you? Sure? So for me, 212 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: in a nutshell, I look at it overall for the 213 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: last sixty plus years. And sometimes people get a little, 214 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, sleepy in the eyes when they hear things 215 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: that are fifty sixty years old. But it really sets 216 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: the tail for what's going on today. And in short, 217 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: there is a easily provable cover up that they don't 218 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: want to tell us about it. And the fact that 219 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: they tried to do the cover up, that they tried 220 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: to maintain it for so many decades is part of 221 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: that interesting aspect of all of this that leads to today, 222 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: why feel the need to cover it up? I mean, 223 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: are we talking about top secret technology and classified platforms. Well, 224 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: a lot of skeptics will want you to believe that. Yes, 225 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: and although I think that that plays a role in it, 226 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: it's obviously not it. That's that's not the destination, are we. 227 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: That's kind of the question mark here. I'm not really sure. 228 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest and I'm not trying to dodge 229 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: your question. I think that there's so much that we 230 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: don't know about what they are covering up. So when 231 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: you look at what they do tell us, and and 232 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: contrary to popular belief, not everything is all blocked out. 233 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: That you can read about technology even in the nineteen 234 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: seventies and beyond that we just can't explain even today 235 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. So when you look at those records, 236 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: and the government is kind of telling you one thing, Hey, 237 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: we want you to believe there's nothing to this, move along, 238 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: nothing to see here. But when you use the Freedom 239 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: of Information Act and you look at the documents and 240 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: then you see UFO cases that are shutting down different 241 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: military jets, that's documented, not embellished. So when you look 242 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: at that and you realize, wait a minute, here, there's 243 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: there's a technology here that we can't explain, and this 244 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: isn't something that just resides in the nineteen seventies. It 245 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: goes all the way to today. So you have to 246 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: look at it a kind of a broad stroke play 247 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: to paint the picture of the phenomena is not just 248 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: unique to now, it's not unique to then. It's been 249 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: going on and the military, according to them, is clueless. Yeah. 250 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I do a lot of work on nuclear power. 251 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: We spent the first hour of the showtime on nuclear power. 252 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: I'm writing a book on nuclear power, and I'm just 253 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: shocked at how often UFOs come up around nuclear weapons sites, 254 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: around nuclear power plants. It's striking. I wonder, what have 255 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: you seen in terms of UFOs showing up around nuclear sites? 256 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: Is that part of the mystery here, part of what's 257 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: going on? Absolutely and something that hasn't been adequately exp land. 258 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: And there are some cases that are more well known. 259 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: You see him in documentaries, others not so much. One 260 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: specific case was I found it had never been out 261 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: in the public domain before. It was a security guard 262 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: that had witnessed multiple UFOs throughout multiple nights over what's 263 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: called present day Cooper Nuclear Station, and he was afraid 264 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: to report it and years later decided that he should 265 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: for security reasons. He had regretted it. But it wasn't 266 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: just one witness. There were multiple security guards that had 267 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: seen it on this nuclear facility. So it is an 268 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: ongoing security issue, whether alien or not, because that's always 269 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: the biggest question. It doesn't matter. There's a security potential 270 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: threat here that has not been adequately addressed. And we 271 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: as America were finally asking that question to the American government, like, hey, 272 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: you know you've covered this up for so long. Have 273 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: you've really been ignoring it? Well, in that era, I 274 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: can easily prove no, they weren't ignoring it, despite what 275 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: they wanted you to believe. Now, for me, that narrative 276 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: is twisted a little bit. Now they're willing to say, yes, 277 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: we are looking into it, but we're not going to 278 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: tell you anything about it. And that also is not 279 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: an embellishment. They really are classifying anything related to UAPs. 280 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: And it's been a struggle through the Freedom Movement for 281 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: Information Act to get material, but I've been able to 282 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: get some material out, and that material, when it comes out, 283 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: proves that not only is the cover up still alive 284 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: and well, but according to the military's own words. They 285 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: can't explain these sightings. Yeah, what's the most before you go, John, 286 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: it's so fascinating, it's so much sure, what's the most 287 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: interesting case in your mind? And we always have about 288 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: thirty seconds, So most interesting case of UFO sightings that 289 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: are experiences that you've you've documented in thirty seconds. It's 290 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: hard to summarize, but that nineteen seventies one that I 291 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: brought up that shut down two different military F four 292 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: phantom jets seemingly strategically, so it wasn't just like a 293 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: plane malfunction. This UFO, which then turned into three different craft, 294 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: one of which ended up landing on Earth, is a 295 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: fascinating case because this was nineteen seventy six and here 296 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: we are in twenty twenty two and it has not 297 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: been adequately explained. And again it's not standalone. There are 298 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: multiple cases that you can look into that remain classified, 299 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: sometimes in part. But when you look at stuff you 300 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: can read and it's fascinating and it really does defy 301 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: logic and what our present understanding of technology is. If 302 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: you can read that, what can't we read? And that's 303 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: fascinating to me. John Greenwalt, thank you for joining us. 304 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for being a suber investigator. This is John 305 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: Greenwald Black Vault. I'm Mike Schellenberger. This is KF I 306 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: AM six forty sitting in for John A Count the 307 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Johnny Ken Show. Stick with us. We've got a really 308 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: exciting UFO oriented guest. Next, Mike Schellenberger. This is KF 309 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: I AM six forty sitting in for John A Count 310 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: and the Johnny Ken Show. We are finishing up a 311 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: little bit on UFOs, having some fun, trying to get 312 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: some serious voices in here, not French folks, but serious 313 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: investigators until what is a really weird phenomenon We don't understand, 314 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: but we know that the US government has taken seriously. 315 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: My next guest is James Fox. He has made the 316 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: best documentary film on UFOs called The Phenomenon. You can 317 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: see it now on Amazon. Let's here a little bit 318 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: from it. There are cases that are not explainable in 319 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: conventional terms, that have been made by credible observers, a 320 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: relatively incredible thing. We got right up to it. It 321 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: lit up. Is this a warning? What's this? An attempt 322 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: to communicated? Scar? I was running and playing and all 323 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: service marine. James Fox are you with us, Yes, I am. Hey, 324 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: nice to meet you, sir. I'm a huge fan of 325 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: the phenomenon. I think it's by far the best documentary 326 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: film it's ever been made on UFOs. So congratulations, oh 327 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: thank you. It only took eight years. Well, you know 328 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: what impressed me about it is that you had as 329 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: your main technical advisor this really interesting French born scientists 330 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: who's lived in Silicon Valley named Jacques Valet, and he's 331 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: actually played by France Wat Truffau in Steven Spielberg's fictional 332 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind. But when you 333 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: reach Oc Valley, he's actually very you know, because it's 334 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: such a fringe area still, but he treats the subject 335 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: with a lot of skepticism, necessary skepticism. I really admired 336 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: that he was involved with you, and it seemed like 337 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: you were really careful to just pick cases that you 338 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: felt like had a lot of truth to them and 339 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: stayed away from more of the French elements of this movement. 340 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: Definitely well established cases. And it was the first film 341 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: and I've made five on the topic that I delved 342 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: into Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and those are 343 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: reports from eyewitnesses of beings associated with the craft, and 344 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: we pulled actually one very well established, extremely credible case. 345 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: Had a project bluebooks own files, the Air Force's own 346 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: files about the nineteen sixty four Skoro, New Mexico UFO 347 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: incident that involved a police officer. Well, these cases are 348 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: the ones that involved police officers. Navy pilots are absolutely amazing. 349 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: But you ended the phenomenon with this case of these 350 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: school kids I think in like Kenya or something that 351 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 1: had a close encounter Ruizimbabwe in a school aerial school 352 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four. But you go back and you go 353 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: back and you interview the grown adults and they none 354 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: of them changed their story. They all said that really 355 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: happened like they said when they were kids. You know, 356 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: there was a Harvard psychiatrist by the name of doctor 357 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: John Mack that at the time, back in nineteen ninety 358 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: four was receiving funding from Lawrence Rockefeller. Lawrence Rockefeller, Lawrence Spellman. 359 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: Rockefeller was supporting lots of research in this field, and 360 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: pretty tremendous pressure on then the Clinton administration to get 361 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: answers from Roswell. So he went to RUA with a 362 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: camera crew and documented the children just weeks after it happened, 363 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: and we licensed that footage from the John Mack Institute, 364 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: and then we tracked down the children with help from 365 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Randall Nickerson, who's got a film out now called Aerial 366 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: Phenomena at twenty years later and uh, you know, and 367 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: then ju supposed the archival footage with today you know, 368 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: modern day and uh, you know, they've had time obviously 369 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: to articulate better and think about, you know what, what 370 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: what happened, what they experienced. It's it's one of the 371 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: most amazing cases in the history. They were, they swore 372 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: to it. Now you let me see this new movie 373 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: you've got coming out in the fall, new documentary and 374 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: the trailer is just out of this world is called 375 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: Moment of Contact, and it's about a really interesting case 376 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: from Virginia, Brazil. I lived in Brazil and that that 377 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: is a part of as an interior part of Brazil. 378 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: Virginia Brazil also a close encounter and it struck me 379 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: the similarities to the Zimbabwe case and that you had 380 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: these kids who saw some kind of being and then 381 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: you interviewed them later as adults and they swear they 382 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: saw the same thing again. Tell us about Moment of Contacts. 383 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: It's a moment of contact. You know, I'd heard, I was. 384 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: I was just about to start producing out of the blue. 385 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: I just finished my first film on UFOs called fifty 386 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: Years of Denial, and a very good friend of mine 387 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: suggested that I look into this alleged UFO crash that 388 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: happened in Brazil in nineteen ninety six January, January, in January, 389 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: and you know, evidently live aliens were seeing walking through 390 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: this town. And I just thought it was too unbelievable 391 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: to even waste time and look into it. So I 392 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: didn't look into it for roughly ten years later, and 393 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: then I looked into it with extreme skepticism. But here 394 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: I am, all these years later, and I just produced 395 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: a film on it called Moment of Contact, and I'm 396 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: convinced that we have a modern day roswell that occurred 397 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: in Brazil. It's a crazy story. There's actually a Wall 398 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: Street Journal article from nineteen ninety six called Tale of 399 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Stinky Extraterrestrial STUS up crowd in Brazil. It sounds like 400 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: a hoax or just whatever, but you actually want Yeah, 401 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: I contacted the author. I contacted the author of that 402 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal article. He's living out of the country 403 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: now and I sent him a rough cut of moment 404 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: of contact and he's like, wow, I didn't realize how 405 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: serious this case really was. And uh, you know he 406 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: got the stinky alien part right because they weren't quite smellthy. 407 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: That's bizarre accords, But yeah, yeah, I mean, what gives 408 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: a lot of credibility too, is you the military clearly 409 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: was involved in covering something up like kind of that 410 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: people will agree with. It's just a debate about what 411 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: it was. Is that right? Well, you know, we have 412 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: to be pretty deep intelligence inside intelligence insiders participating in 413 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: the film for the first time in history. So um, 414 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: I've showed it to extreme skeptics, you know, friends of 415 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: mine that have seen all my work, and they were like, 416 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: this is the most incredible story I've ever heard because 417 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: they believed it. And quite frankly, I don't expect any 418 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: of your audience to believe it because I didn't. But 419 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: when you when you listen to the testimony, when you 420 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: see the evidence, you'll you'll think quite seriously that this 421 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: this very well might have happened. It seems like obviously 422 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: the conversation on this has changed. You've been obsessed with 423 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: this issue for decades. It sounds like, just how how 424 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: much more mainstream has this issue gotten in your view? 425 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: I mean, and can it still get more mainstream? I mean, 426 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: obviously I'm talking about for the first time, but you know, 427 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: the Pentagon as a report, and obviously there's just now 428 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: it seems like you can talk about it and people 429 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: don't feel the need to ridicule it. And you must 430 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: have seen a huge amount of change on this issue 431 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: since you've been working out well, I was four years 432 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: into making of the phenomenon when the New York Times 433 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: had that story in December of twenty and seventeen that 434 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: revealed a tip which is advanced Aerospace Threat Identification program. 435 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: So that secret UFO Pentagon program is revealed in the 436 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: front page of the New York Times. And of course 437 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: Tristopher Mellen, whose former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, 438 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: walked these you know, walk these tapes, these evidence out 439 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: of the Pentagon with the help of Lou Alexondo, who 440 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: was head of the program, and that changed everything he 441 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: I had, you know, because i'd been kind of laughing, 442 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: I mean, changed everything within the media and with those 443 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: but but also I noticed a difference in attitude with 444 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: people that have been sort of laughing at me for 445 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: the last couple of decades, like, wow, um, there's extremely 446 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: credible eyewitness testimony couple with official evidence, you know, m 447 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: cockpit camera recordings from these these Navy fighter pilots, radar confirmation, 448 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: visual confirmation from multiple eyewitnesses of craft that defy science 449 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: and physics as we understand it. James Fox, you are 450 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: such an interesting investigator. I appreciate that you approached this 451 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: issue with such an open mind and a commitment to 452 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: really just covering the facts because there's so much fringe 453 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: information out here. What's the best way for people to 454 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: say in touch you? If I can email, list or websites, 455 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: it's just James Fox on Twitter? Is that? How do 456 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: people find you among Twitter? James Fox? I'm also I've 457 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: got a website you can reach out to me that way. 458 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: It's The Phenomenon's Film dot com. The Phenomenon Film dot com. 459 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, I've got a little bit of a social 460 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: media presence from James Fox, and we'll be we'll be 461 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: making some major announcements with Moment of Contact in the 462 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: coming weeks. Well, we'll best of leuct to you, sir, 463 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: and thanks for joining me. This is Mike sell Burger 464 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: and this is k IF. I am six forty sitting 465 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: in for Johnny count the Johnny Ken Show. Stick with 466 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: us after this break. We're going to talk a little 467 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: bit about what it was like to run for governor 468 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: and the biggest problems facing the state and how we 469 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: solve them. Stay tuned. Boy, what a pleasure it's been. 470 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: It's my first time guest hosting and learned a lot. 471 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we covered the drug crisis, homelessness, the energy crisis, 472 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: and had a little bit of fun at the end 473 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: there with UFOs, which we don't know what they are, 474 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: but worth talking about. Got to know the show because 475 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: I just got done running for governor. Came in third place, 476 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: so I got the bronze medal. There actually is no medal, 477 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: turns out, it's apparently the prize you get is to 478 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: be able to guest host The Johnny Ken Show. And 479 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: but it was you know, I wanted to reflect a 480 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: bit on it. I mean, it was a really fun 481 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: experience in a lot of ways. It was hard, but 482 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: also made a lot of friends. You know, the state 483 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: is in bad trouble. You know, we've got a big 484 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: budget surplus this year, but it's going to go away 485 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: next year, especially since we're heading into recession. The biggest 486 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: crisis facing the state is what we call homelessness, but 487 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: it's basically an untreated mental illness and drug addiction crisis. 488 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, it's it's not just humanitarian disaster any where. 489 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: It's now grinding civilization to a halt. The four oh 490 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: five in LA was halted a couple of weeks back 491 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: when a homeless person got up on a freeway overpass 492 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: and they stopped the traffic worried they were going to 493 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: jump a person just appeared to be passed out, but 494 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: drivers had to wait three and a half hours. You know, 495 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: I think the big thing is that people have gotten 496 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: them their heads confused about this. You know, people think 497 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: that they some have to choose between do you want 498 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: a high quality of living or do you want to 499 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: help the homeless. We're not helping the homeless by letting 500 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: them live in these open air drug scenes, these homeless encampments. 501 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: It's you know, the women in them are all being 502 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted, like nearly one hundred percent, and repeatedly they've 503 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: us control of their behavior because of addiction on treatmental illness. 504 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: We've got this big blind spot. You know, people that 505 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: come from the left end of the spectrum. You know, 506 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: we care a lot, but that means that we sort 507 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: of have this blind spot. We don't understand that just 508 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: caring is not enough. Another way to put it is 509 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: that you can actually hurt people if you let your 510 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: compassion get in the way. Sometimes people need an intervention. 511 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: You know, we need love, but love is not all 512 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: you need. The Beatles were wrong about that. I mean, 513 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: you forgive them. They were in their twenties when they 514 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: wrote that lyric. But we need an intervention in the state. 515 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: We need to grow up. We've got a bit of 516 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: a Peter Pan governor. He's now running for president. Pretty clearly, 517 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: we've got pretty radical, ideological district attorneys who refuse to 518 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: enforce laws. They think that they're helping people, they're not. 519 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: You know, it appears that this guy that shot the 520 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 1: two El Monte police officers was you had big problems 521 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: with meth. We're seeing people with advanced psychosis. We've got 522 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: to have an intervention here. It's gonna have to happen 523 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: at the ballot box, and we just heard this from 524 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: Stanford psychiatry professor. You're gonna have to throw these guys out. 525 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get new people in office, and 526 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: we can help make that happen. We're building a movement, 527 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: California Peace Coalition. We've got the ability to do this. 528 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: We've got the right laws in the books. People are 529 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: wrong when they think that the political elections are being stolen. 530 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: They're not. Okay, there's not saying there's not some fraud. 531 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: But don't let anybody tell you that your vote doesn't count. 532 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: It does count. We gotta recall George Gascone. We gotta 533 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: at some point get rid of Governor Gavin Newsom, even 534 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen this year. We need political change 535 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: to get the kind of changes we need in society. 536 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. And it may not happen this year, 537 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: but it may happen in other ways, or it may 538 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: happen at the local level. You see San Francisco voters 539 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: just got rid of Chessa Bodine a couple weeks ago, 540 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: and now we're gathering signatures in Los Angeles to get 541 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: rid of George Gascone. But we got to do more 542 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: and We need to find each other. We need to 543 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: see that the recovering addicts who were homeless on the streets, 544 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: parents of homeless addicts trying to get their kids off 545 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: the street, parents whose kids have been killed by federal 546 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: we all have the same interests. We have the same 547 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: interest as the residents impacted by homelessness. We just gotta 548 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: get our head screwed on right. And it's not the 549 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,959 Speaker 1: only issue. I mean, we got to have parents, got 550 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: to have more choices about where their kids go to school. 551 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: We got to produce more energy. I mean, the energy 552 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: crisis is the most ridiculous of these problems because it's 553 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: so obvious we just don't have enough reliable energy. And 554 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: you just add more solar panels, it's not going to 555 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: cut it. You got to have oil and gas or 556 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: nuclear or coal or one of those those technologies to 557 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: keep civilization running. You know, there's a small minority of 558 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: far left, radical left extremists, and I would know because 559 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: that's where I came from. I'm fifty one now, but 560 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: when I was a boy and in my twenties and 561 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: early career, you want to tear down the whole civilization. 562 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. They shut down the psychiatric hospitals, shut 563 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: down the police stations. Now they're trying to empty the prisons. 564 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: It's not working. 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