WEBVTT - The Execution [14] 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.320 Welcome to Monster d C Sniper, a production of I 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:07.480 Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.360 in this podcast are solely those of the podcast author 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.680 or individuals participating in the podcast, and do not represent 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.120 those of I Heart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.079 This episode includes testimony and argument from trial transcripts read 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.680 by voice actors. Portions of these transcripts are excerpted for 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:32.880 the purposes of this podcast. Listener discretion is advised. We won, 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.960 we won. That's Malvo's defense attorney Tom Walsh. I remember 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.320 standing in court when that verdict came in, standing right 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.080 at the side them, and that was it. That was it. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.480 We won. If you understood the case, it was basically 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.760 just two outcomes. They win, they get death, we win, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.559 he gets life. And when they came back on December 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.920 twenty three with life, that was it. Teenage sniper Lee 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.920 mal Vou escaped the death penalty less than a month 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.680 after his older part nor John Mohammed, was handed the 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:06.440 ultimate punishment. Victims and their families were stunned when people 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.840 heard the judge say life without parole. People screamed out, 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.000 as if he was acquitted. You know I understood the 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.280 emotion those people had because they thought justice would be 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.120 the same penalty that Mohammed got. That boy, he's not 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.160 going to change. He's not going to change his mind, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.120 he's not going to change his herd. Who's the point 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.480 to have that guy in jail. He's a monster. I 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:35.080 don't expect anything from him. I just expect for him 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.479 not to have a good life, because he doesn't deserve 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.360 a good life. Ultimately, the chest Peak jury found him 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.840 guilty of capital murder and they gave him life. Chesapeake 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.480 has never given anybody the death penalty. But that's the 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.120 way it is. And I believe in the jury system. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.840 And if your neighbors think you shouldn't get death, and 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.520 that's the way it goes. Personally, I think he should 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.200 have he knew exactly what he was doing. Malvo sitting 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.800 in Red Onion Prison. It's one of the nation's supermax is. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.880 It's a very stark facility. He's spending twenty three hours 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.800 a day in a very small cell. He has no 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:17.639 physical interaction with any other inmates, and barring some outcome 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.920 from the resentencing, he will likely be there for the 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.520 rest of his life. I was okay with life without parole. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:30.640 Now we're dealing with the situation where maybe someday he 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:35.200 will walk the streets again. Having grandchildren, do I want 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:40.040 to take the gamble that in their lifetime he will 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.360 walk the streets and take the gamble that he's going 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.760 to be fine and not revert back to something crazy. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.120 There is a ruthless person on the loose. What I 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.600 nerves this community the most is the randomness of the murders, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.560 ordinary people doing ordinary things. They killed the people in 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.560 one day and then went on the rampage for the 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.680 next month. It is quite a mystery. The police say 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.880 they have never had a crime quite like this. Be careful, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.560 these guys are using weapons that are gonna go right 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:18.560 straight through our bulletproof vest. From My Heart Radio and 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:30.239 Tenderfoot TV, this is Monster DC sniper Lee Boyd Malvo 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.040 was sent to red Onion State Prison in the Western 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.920 party of Virginia, where he would serve his life sentence. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.360 Red Onion is one of the strictest super max prisons 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.480 in the country. After he was incarcerated, he started talking 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.520 to people about what had happened, and the details he 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.200 provided changed the case in ways that no one anticipated. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.600 One of the people he talked to was Anthony Meoli, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:59.240 the criminologist who helped Malvo write his autobiography. What we 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.280 know is the d C Snipers is really the United 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:08.720 States Snipers. They shot people from Washington to Arizona to 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:14.760 allegedly Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina. So there's a lot 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.200 of people shot in many, many different states, according to 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:23.480 Lee's own words, Investigators had continued to look into other 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.240 crimes that they thought might be connected to the pair. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.160 One crime they investigated was the death of Jerry Taylor. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.920 He'd been shot with a rifle while golfing in Tucson, Arizona, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.560 on March nineteo. His body had been found in the 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.520 bushes with his wallet nearby on the ground, but strangely, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.920 his money and credit cards weren't missing. Investigators had learned 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.960 Mohammed and Malvo were in the area at the time, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.480 visiting Mohammed's sister. This was the same trip where they 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.920 stole a credit card from a Greyhound bus driver. Later 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.400 they would ask that ten million dollars be deposited on 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.720 that car. But Taylor hadn't been shot by a two 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.799 to three rifle like the Bushmaster that Malvo and Mohammed 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.720 had used in their DC attacks, but rather a three 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:13.440 oh eight caliber rifle. Still, the shootings resembled the random 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.120 killings of the DC sniper attacks, and the fact that 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.000 Malvo and Mohammed were in the area when it happened 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.359 seemed like two big of a coincidence. So now that 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.160 Malvo appeared to be talking, investigators from the Tucson Police 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.600 Department went to interview him. That's a detective him in 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.960 his Tusson Police Department in going over our file. And 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.159 we know that you were in Tucson in early March 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.000 of two thousand two. Can you tell me how you 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.560 and I believe it was John Mohammed got to Tucson. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.039 We got to Tussan by greyhound from Tacoma, Washington. Did 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.720 he tell you when you got on the bus coming 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.960 Tucson that this was a job and we're going to 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.000 do how do you phrase it? I don't know what 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:57.200 words you h We're gonna go to Tucson. Um, I 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.760 want to see my sister and this we're here to do. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.080 Where did you do a job? Did he tell you 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.440 how much money he was paid to do this job? 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.960 You usually twenty five out Love to start, you brought 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:15.400 your sniper gear from Washington State. How did you know 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.600 he was a golfer? We had an address and he 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.240 had some additional information in the end, Love, it's one 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.039 one sheet of paper with writing back in front. Did 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:24.560 you know anything about the guy? The only thing he 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.400 showed me was the picture. I wasn't allowed to read anything. John, 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.120 I ever tell you why this guy had to die? 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:34.760 M hm. You have a job to do, yes, and 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.400 we have an address, but we're going to We go 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.040 out there in the morning. We walk in the area 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.080 and look at what's in the area. There's the houses 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.320 and there's a golf course at the back. We go 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.119 out there and we're looking for the guy in the picture. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.560 I spot the man and what he does is after 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.920 hitting the balls for a couple hours, he comes down 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.320 the slope and picks up all the balls with the machine. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.440 How many days would you say you spent at the 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:07.400 golf course hiding and watching this particularly, probably three three 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.200 days in time the day that this guy is shot. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.120 Time we get out there in the morning, that even 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.320 says you have to do this and said no, because 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.400 I've never done this before. And he said, you're going 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.880 out there and doing this. This is the first time 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.440 you shot and kill someone, but it was the first 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.200 time you shot is killed somebody with this rifle. Yes, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.760 that even as soon as we talked, I have to 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:34.400 go back out there in the last bus and stay 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.400 out there interred in the night. Where do you ever 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.800 rifle the rifles? And down in the case and in 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:42.880 the green Duffle bag that goes over back back. So 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.480 you have the Douffel bag on the bus, one of 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.040 the rifles in the case inside the Douffel bags. Did 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.680 you ever get questioned anybody ever looking at the bag? 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.440 You wouldn't really question, you know, it's like a camper's bag. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.640 What kind of rifle was? Is a three? It nine 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.680 inches was cut off the original bar so that it 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.720 would fit easily with an event, and it was a 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.960 temporary suppressing. Where did you get that weapon? The weapon 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.520 was bought by Earl Dancy. So you get there the 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.960 night before, Yes, because I know he picks golf balls. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.320 I put the golf balls on the slope, so you're 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.600 setting the balls to draw him to the area where 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.720 you want him to be. Once he sees those days 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.280 basically baited he goes after. Malvo says that he wore 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.040 camouflage clothes and hid under a tree, covering himself with 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.120 a net and branches. He camped out all night so 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.520 he'd be in position the next day when Jerry Taylor 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.800 went golfing. All right, So when does the guy show up? 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.800 Do you learn in one have you hit any balls 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.680 prior to coming down to that area? That sloped area. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.400 The thing is where I was. I couldn't move to 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.920 get up and see him, but I knew he was 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.640 going to come down. And that's all I'm waiting on 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.280 because he's the one that always does it. He doesn't 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.800 last two days, comes down slope and picks up all 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.040 the balls. All right, So you're you're there. Wait and 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.240 if he goes down, why starts backing up balls. He 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.920 came close to me. He walked by and picked up 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.959 the first ball and then went around. I'm right here 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.400 and he's right here. He's a little bit about me 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.240 because I'm down in the ground. It's a traditional military 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.960 sniper position, all right, just a rifle of the scope. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.520 So you had him in your sides. Yes, Then he 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:27.400 came back, and what's going back up the slope? That's 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:33.920 my new shot. He fell, lays down and there's no movement, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.400 and I started to back up. Then he got back 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.640 up and started walking, and he starts going up the slope. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.760 He didn't die immediately, and I had to go out 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:50.000 there and get him. And once I got him, like 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.160 pulled him here. Uh So you went after him and 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.640 you grabbed him and drag him down. Okay? Does he 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:05.960 say anything to you? Yes? He said he was saying 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.199 he was stepping. He was saying something. Do you remember 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:16.480 what he said he was? It was it was basically groans, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.040 because it was like something filling up his mouth and 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:21.040 something of scars. But you could tell he was trying 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.080 to say something. Was he looking at you? He was striped? Yes? Okay, 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.800 so you drag him into the bushes? Yes, grab drag 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.880 him by the arms, legs, legs, legs. You take his wallet? 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.640 I take the wallet. Look at the picture to drop 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.520 the wallet. The bag was not far from there. It 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.000 was like laying under a boulder. Pulled it out, put 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.920 the women too pieces, closed it up, and then put 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.120 it in the back. Go out to the bus stop, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.920 Get to the bus stop. What do you do? I 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:57.480 get the bus stop, I sit beside him and and jittery, 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.560 and he says, come there, no one knows he done anything. 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:11.199 How old were you talking? Uh? Assenting? Now that this 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.079 hall is is done, and you know, and you know 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.000 you've been through a lot in the last couple of 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.800 years with these proceedings, as are why are you talking 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.400 to I'm talking to you because I'm sorry, sorry, there's 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:34.280 something you want to say to the family or you 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.400 can't bring it back. I'm sorry, Thank you very much. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.400 We're gonna go back to Tucson tomorrow morning and we're 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.760 going to have to talk to family and we're going 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.920 to have to tell the family that somebody that knew 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.760 this man wanted him dead and this is going to 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:54.720 be terrible news for that. According to the Arizona Daily 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.720 Star newspaper, police had no doubt that Malvo killed Taylor, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.680 but Taylor's daughter, Cheryl Witz, said she couldn't imagine anyone 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.079 wanting to hurt her father, and police never found evidence 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.280 to support Malvo's claim that it was a hired killing. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.920 So was Malvo lying or did Mohammed's underworld dealings extend 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.719 beyond smuggling people across borders? Was he working as a 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:23.400 hitman as well, or maybe Mohammed lied to Malvo and 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.839 this was part of how he groomed Malvo for the 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:31.040 d C attacks. Anthony Meolie, the criminologist who helped publish 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.959 Malvo's autobiography, says Malvo never mentioned any contract killings to him. 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.199 The idea that this was a contract hit, to me 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.800 is total hogwash. But Lee also referenced the fact that 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:48.040 he shot thirty six people. Lee himself shot thirty six 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.720 people and killed over twenty of them. He also said 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:56.480 that John shot as many as seventy people. Now I 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.280 don't know how true that is, but he said I 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.440 wouldn't put it passed him that he shot that many 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.760 people because he was always out doing bad things. Malvo 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.160 told me only that during the time he started killing 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.520 people with Mohammed, he believed deeply in the Nation of 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.880 Islam based philosophy that Mohammed had been teaching him. Mohammed 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.959 had him eating only a single small vegetarian meal a 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:23.120 day and would give him sepenty two different vitamins and supplements. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.679 Malvo might have been even more of a true believer 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.720 than Mohammed. Malvo says, shortly after Mohammed had him shoot 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.880 Keenya Cook in Tacoma, he confronted Mohammed about inconsistencies he 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.760 was seeing. Mohammed had been telling him that the white 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.440 man was the devil, but he was dating a white woman. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.280 He isn't in a relationship with his white baby. I mean, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.439 you're talking all his didn't. I mean, I came on 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.120 to get him, to get your children back. I mean, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.360 you can addy blow. Somebody worried out what's up? So 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.839 a week or two after the first shooting, he came 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.880 on a fift He was around at time, and I 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.400 sat tighter and I had a fified back. I said, look, 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:05.640 you called me out of here, and you said I 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.200 need to get my children back. That's why I'm here. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.960 You can't talk. You know the white man is the devil, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.719 and you missed Lucas won't be either your kids or 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.400 make your mind up. And make your mind up right 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.400 now before I put two rounds. There's a order than 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.160 the dashboards will take those quarters up. You will step 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.520 out the truck, walk to the phone, make the call 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.280 and say he's over. And that's the rep I need 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.960 to hear. You had actually at that moment bought entirely 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.440 into his plan, yes being but the plan US as 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.560 far ago could certainly make money along the way, find 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.840 the kids take and go to Canada, both flight school 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.920 and do what you want to do around that would 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:51.360 the layout it changed along the way. Malvo says Mohammed 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.320 had put together a list of cities with people named 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.320 Mildred Mohammed in them. He says they began traveling across 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.320 the country searching for mohammed Sex wife and his kids. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.440 They first stopped at Los Angeles in February or March 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.280 of two thousand two, where they shot a man. Details 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.960 about this killing are spars and the victim has never 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.680 been matched up with the alleged crime. Malvo says they 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.720 went on to shoot and kill Jerry Taylor in Arizona 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.320 in March. Then, Malvo said they continued east and a 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.640 couple of months later, Mohammed shot another man at a 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:29.520 golf course in Florida. Investigators connected this to the mysterious 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:34.120 shooting of seventy six year old Albert Michael Sick. Michael 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.320 Sick was shot while golfing in Clearwater, Florida, on May 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.400 eighteenth of that year. Malvo also confessed to involvement in 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.560 the May seven shooting a Billy Jean Dylan in Denton, Texas. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.440 Dylan was murdered while doing yardwork, but Malvo told me 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.160 only that he and Mohammed committed so many crimes that 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.000 they all started to blur together. I mean, didn't summer 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.760 whole week, you know, ub or something We're gonna get pulled. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.520 It would be some violence. He got to the point 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:08.000 where he said, I created a fucking monster. During this time, 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.800 he got several nervous breakdown and each time he came 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.120 out of old he did need to bloodlet would be 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.080 greater and greater. His need for violence would be greater 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.160 and greater. He would he would just escalate. He was 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.400 bald train and I was on the train with him. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:27.480 I will attached. After the Denton, Texas murder, Malvo says 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.040 he and Mohammed then traveled to a gun show in 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.320 El Paso, Texas, where Malvo stole the twenty two revolver 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.200 they would later use to shoot Paul Arufa. Then they 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.560 went to Hammond, Louisiana, where they crossed paths with a 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:46.040 man named John Gata. It was a normal day. I 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.360 went to work and I went home, and I was 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.800 going to return to work to catch up on some stuff. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.440 And I decided before I did that, thought I would 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.520 stop at the mall time on Square and used to shopping. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.520 I did so, and I made a purchase, and then 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:09.440 I came out and I went to drive away, and 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:14.240 I noticed that I had a flat tire. I could 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.199 have driven just a little short piece to a service 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.879 station that's right in front of the mall, but I 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.600 just parked my truck that night. It was dark, of course, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.159 you know you have a parking lot lighting. I was 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.680 just assessing the situation and I was getting some tools out. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.880 There were two black men that walked right Bondy. They said, 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.200 it looks like you have a flat tire, and the 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.879 kind of laughed under the breath, and they asked me 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.240 if the mall was open. Well, I knew it was closing, 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.200 but just to buy myself more time, just you know, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.240 make sure they weren't up to something. I said it 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.959 might be. I said, you could check something to that effect. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.640 I didn't see where they came from where they went 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.560 and I went to the back of my vehicles because 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:07.000 that's where you would retrieve the spare tire, and I 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:13.320 saw a figure hunched over and running from the back 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:19.080 of my vehicle to the front. And I'm like, okay, well, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.920 I'm not ready for this, and I said, I'll just 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.160 go to the other side of the vehicle and say 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.920 what do you want? So I went around to the 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.960 passenger side of the vehicle, and when I did, Malvo 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:39.000 met me face to face. He was about maybe six 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:45.400 ft away. Before I had a moment to think about anything, 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.760 I don't even know if I ever got out what 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:55.200 do you want, he just raised the pistol and shot me. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.879 I thought he was aiming from my head, but the 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:03.440 bullet struck me on the right side of my neck. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.600 I just remember falling to the ground. I just felt 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.680 like the safest thing to do was just lay there 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:16.159 for a few minutes. I don't remember feeling that they 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.439 were like reaching in my pocket. I noticed my wallet 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.680 was missing, without thinking that it might have a spinal 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.480 injury or anything. I was going to walk to the 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:31.080 service station and just call for help. Before I did, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.080 there were some people, like passers by, and so they 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.840 came up and they said, Stain, you're bleeding, Are you okay? 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.080 And I kind of looked at my shirt and it 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.879 was you know, blood on my shirt and at that 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.680 time I heard the ambulance siren. They took me to 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:52.280 the hospital and they treated me. The doctor said that 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.200 when he got the call, he said, well, this guy 0:19:55.359 --> 0:20:00.200 is going to come in either paralyzed or dead. The 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:04.600 bullet had entered my neck. It traveled from the light 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:06.920 side of my neck to the left side of my 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:12.240 upper back, acrossing the final card without doing any damage. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.720 I felt luck. I could just went back to work 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.119 that next day. I don't want missing work and my 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.080 friends and know, at least take the weekend or a 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:26.000 week or whatever, you know. When my vehicle was brought 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.200 to the provider who was going to fix the tire, 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.879 they noticed that the puncture on the tar was on 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.720 the sidewalk. If you get a flat tire, it's on 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.399 the treads, but in this case it was like the 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:42.280 tar was purposely slashed. So I would you not be 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:48.159 able to drop off? Malvo and Mohammed then traveled to 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:52.960 Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Mohammed's hometown. Friends and relatives said it 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:54.920 seemed like he was going out of his way to 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.960 talk and visit with people he hadn't seen in years. 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.439 He lied to people, telling them he was still married 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:03.760 to Mildred, that he was doing well, and that he 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:08.680 owned houses in Canada and the Caribbean. And it was 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.159 here that Malvo says Mohammed first told him about his 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:17.120 plan for the d C attacks. Mohammed had a plan 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.480 that would have extended far beyond the horrors of October 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:42.280 two thousand two if they hadn't been stopped. In two 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:46.200 thousand six, Mohammed, who was already on death row in Virginia, 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.879 was prosecuted in Montgomery County, Maryland, for the six murders 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.800 that took place there. Malvo was prosecuted as well, but 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.800 he pled guilty and agreed to testify against Mohammed and 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.760 share new details about the case, including John's full plan. 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:07.080 Here are excerpts from Mohammed's Maryland trial, with prosecutor Catherine 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:11.959 Winfrey questioning Malva. Winfrey and Malvo's quotes are read by 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:17.359 voice actors. Now, did you go back to Louisiana in 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.919 mid July two? Yes, Now, when you were with him, 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.359 what would the two of you do? We would visit 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.639 people he was dealing with at the time. Did you 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.639 feel like a member of the family. Yes? Did you 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:32.959 come to love Mr Mohammed. Yes, did you tell him 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.520 you loved him? Yes? And how about his feelings for you? 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:40.280 Did he tell you that he loved you? Yes? Did 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:45.560 you believe that? Yes? And did there come a time 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.879 that Mr Mohammed told you he had learned where his 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.520 children were. Yes. We were in Baton Rouge at his 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:54.000 brother's place. We were across the street and a gully, 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.240 sitting on a log. He told me that children are 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.520 in Maryland, just outside d C. And he plained that 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:05.920 we're not going to get the children. Not yet explained 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.439 to me what was going to happen. After we left Louisiana. 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.359 He said, we were going to go to the Washington, 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.359 D C. Area, and we're going to terrorize these people. 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.640 Every day. They're going to be six shots, six slangs 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:22.600 a day for thirty days. And after thirty days, what 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.720 was going to happen. Phase two was to create much 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:29.840 more damage by using improvised explosives. We had ball bearings 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.520 or nails. Usually. What I was told was we get schools, 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:39.800 school buses, hospitals, children's hospitals. Everything is around children. Malvo 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:43.000 later elaborated on Mohammed's plan when he spoke to me 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:47.120 only from prison. We're got ruish. I think the July 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:49.800 he played to me that we're going to go DC 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:54.040 and we're going to carize the parts work and we're 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.840 just going to go into that region and just were 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.359 habit and shut it down because all these people care 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.320 about it. There sucking money. And if you disturb that 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:05.840 process and let people know that they're not stay eight 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:09.399 were eight times this system is no longer visible. So 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:12.360 when he explained it to me, I said, this man, 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.120 we can robbing and doing work, doing what you're asking 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:17.080 to do, and we made you know X amount of money, 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.320 you have, the passports, you have, the contact, we know 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.119 what the children are why and just kicked him and leaves. 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.480 I mean that's that's the whole story. I mean what 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.879 he's like, No, I don't get back to these mothers, 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.080 focus the I don't kill Drew birds. You want to stop. 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:36.399