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Speaker 1: And welcome to Friday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He is Paul the Tina M.

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadow wrap it up the week in style with

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Speaker 1: two more schools to preview as we get you set

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Speaker 1: for the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft. We got two

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Speaker 1: big ones Clemson and Wisconsin. So we'll have two special

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Speaker 1: guests coming on the program momentarily will break down those prospects.

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Mickey Pleler in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: He'll break down Clemson. But Paul, before we get into that,

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Speaker 1: I mean Clemson, it goes without saying, has a numerous

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Speaker 1: amount of prospects. This year no different than previous years,

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Speaker 1: considering they took care of business again in the nationale

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Speaker 1: championship level. But I think what's appealing about Clemson. We've

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Speaker 1: talked so much about how this is a deep class

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Speaker 1: Clemson is providing a number of guys at those respective spots. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not just Clemson with those guys, it's Wisconsin with

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Speaker 1: the hog Molly's on the offensive line. So we're talking

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Speaker 1: trenches today. What this is right up your alley. That's

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Speaker 1: why it's no surprise that we're doing these two schools

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Speaker 1: on the day that Paul is one of the Trust me,

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Speaker 1: this is not a coincidence at all, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin's got three offensive lineman, that's correct, who have all

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Speaker 1: played with one another for the last few years. You've

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Speaker 1: got Michael Dieter, who's a versatile guy. Edwards is a

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Speaker 1: versatile guy. So that's gonna be an interesting conversation, especially

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Speaker 1: if the Giants and when we've had these talks on

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Speaker 1: the last few shows. Second round, Paul offensive Lineman's there

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Speaker 1: a guy who can play right tackle? One of these

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Speaker 1: three guys could certainly be in the conversation. Well, you

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Speaker 1: have to believe the Giants are going to draft an

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Speaker 1: offensive tackles somewhere in this mix in the first three rounds.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's much question in my mind about that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know which pick it's going to be. But

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Speaker 1: I really do believe they're going to take one because

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Speaker 1: there's depth in there's value in the first three rounds

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Speaker 1: very confident that they're going to get one. By the way,

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Speaker 1: let's not forget that Zeitler, the Brown's offensive lineman who

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Speaker 1: came to the Giants, and the Odell Beckham Jr. Trade

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Speaker 1: is also a Wisconsin guy. Yeah. Well, Wisconsin has a

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Speaker 1: tremendous track record to your point of producing quality offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, who is Niler's former Browns teammate, recently retired.

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Speaker 1: He's another Wisconsin product. Travis Frederick, that Dallas Cowboys starting

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Speaker 1: He's another Wisconsin product. You've heard the statement that they

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Speaker 1: grow him on trees and Wisconsin they grow him in

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Speaker 1: the corn field. Indeed, well, that's why they produce offensive

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Speaker 1: live and Paul because of the corn fields. Those big

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Speaker 1: a spirit. They're not lacking in that department. They know

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Speaker 1: Clemson Tigers and again, defensive oriented crop coming from this club,

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Speaker 1: and we all know how badly the Giants are seeking

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Speaker 1: of Clemson. This is a school that they certainly have

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Speaker 1: turned to. Brent Venable's great defensive coordinator, has done a

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Speaker 1: large crop of prospects trying to get into the National

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Speaker 1: Football League this year. Once again, and we are now

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Speaker 1: joined by a very special guest. They'll break down this

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Speaker 1: Clemson group. Mickey Polylery is a sports talk show host

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Speaker 1: Paul Detino here on Giants Dot com Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time house everything this morning. Everything is great, guys.

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Speaker 1: We've got a spring game, Spring game tomorrow and Spring

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Speaker 1: talk about several of those guys maybe today. But this

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Speaker 1: then we'll get obviously into details about the individuals. But

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Speaker 1: oh five point five The Royal w CCPFM in Clemson,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, previewing the Clemson prospects. You use the term maturity,

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Speaker 1: Terrell Um, a guy that that had the interception in

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Speaker 1: the National Championship Game and the guy that you'll will

427
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Speaker 1: be talked about this time next year. Another big physical corner. Um.

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Speaker 1: They you know, tend to go over there a little

429
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Speaker 1: bit more. Um. The thing about ter if there is

430
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Speaker 1: a weakness on Moan is that he does get his

431
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Speaker 1: hands on you a bunch. And you know the NFL game,

432
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Speaker 1: all that downfield and defensive holding and now we're gonna

433
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Speaker 1: review all that stuff, I guess, but but uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna you know, they didn't test him in years

435
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Speaker 1: UM one and two around here. He got a little

436
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Speaker 1: bit tested this year. But really his stats, you know,

437
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Speaker 1: they're just not gonna throw it in a whole lot.

438
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Speaker 1: And he's not an interception guy. But that might be

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Speaker 1: the biggest confidence you give that. Um. You know, if

440
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Speaker 1: you got a corner, I have a bunch of interceptions,

441
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Speaker 1: people think you might pick on him. People just really

442
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Speaker 1: shot away from this us his first two years. Mark

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Speaker 1: Fields is the other cornerback. How does he compare to Mullin?

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Speaker 1: How much of an upside d you see in him.

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Speaker 1: Fields is a is a interesting studies Um feels is

446
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Speaker 1: a guy that if you ask in ten years, you

447
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Speaker 1: might say, boy, what a steal this guy was, or

448
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Speaker 1: what a bust this guy was. The thing about Mark

449
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Speaker 1: Fields just he's more talented than than trade by Mullen.

450
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Speaker 1: But they've always had a little bit of an issue

451
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Speaker 1: around here. Just maturity wise. Just a guy that's just

452
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Speaker 1: assignment wise. Maturity wise. You know, sometimes will take a

453
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Speaker 1: gamble when he didn't have to go for a pick

454
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Speaker 1: when he didn't have to. The athleticism is the athleticism

455
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Speaker 1: was just says there, his dad played the NFL for years.

456
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Speaker 1: He runs better than any any corner we've had here

457
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Speaker 1: in the last two or three years. It's there. But

458
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Speaker 1: maturity level now does the paycheck motivating for that? Does? UH?

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Speaker 1: Does he continue to to find more maturity? You know,

460
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Speaker 1: he was not dependable here and really didn't start here

461
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Speaker 1: because because of athleticism or any kind of of UH skills.

462
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Speaker 1: It was all about the maturity level and the dependability

463
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Speaker 1: of it. You get him in the right system, you

464
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Speaker 1: get him the right coach, get him in the right

465
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Speaker 1: you know, with the right mentorship, maybe UH you know,

466
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Speaker 1: I think he can excel, but he's not a guy

467
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Speaker 1: like a lot of those other guys, the highest character

468
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Speaker 1: that I would say I didn't invest my money in.

469
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Speaker 1: We go to the other side of the ball. You

470
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Speaker 1: got Renfrou and wide receiver who to me with his size,

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Speaker 1: you know, lack of height, I see him probably as

472
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Speaker 1: more of a slot guy. Would you agree, Yeah, you know,

473
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Speaker 1: here's the kid, one of the most interesting kids who

474
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Speaker 1: come through here as well. Um, just just you know,

475
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Speaker 1: you know how he does it. I have no idea

476
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Speaker 1: how he does it. He doesn't look like a wide receiver.

477
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Speaker 1: He looks like I tell a quick story. After the

478
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Speaker 1: National championship game, the first the first time around it

479
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Speaker 1: it's just fresh munist Alabama. He catches two nationally the

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Speaker 1: two touchdown passes in the title game. Uh. He goes

481
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Speaker 1: and plays the local golf course here and they ask

482
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Speaker 1: you gotta be sixteen years older, driver a golf cart,

483
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Speaker 1: he asked, and they asked for his I d They

484
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Speaker 1: don't know who he is chemistry, you know, I mean

485
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Speaker 1: he looks like a bookcorn chemistry student. Uh. And yet

486
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Speaker 1: he just makes place, he gets open. And you know,

487
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Speaker 1: ten years ago i'd have told you there's no way

488
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Speaker 1: this kids an NFL player. But look around the league

489
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Speaker 1: and look at what the Patriots have done, and look

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Speaker 1: at what the you know, these possession underneath guys that

491
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Speaker 1: have had it, and I know third down guys, um

492
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Speaker 1: and these dependable guys. We had Adam Humphreys here. Adam

493
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Speaker 1: was like the Bucks for a while. I think I

494
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Speaker 1: think he signed with the with the Titans a few

495
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Speaker 1: years ago, a few weeks ago, I should say, but

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Speaker 1: he's an eight He catch guy, you know, third down guy,

497
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Speaker 1: and and and the run rentfro is more productive and

498
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Speaker 1: the guys, I really feel like it's gonna be a

499
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Speaker 1: eight year guy in the league, third down guy, hanging

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Speaker 1: around guy and uh, I don't know how he does it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He is quick, he he separates in the underneath stuff.

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Speaker 1: He's slippery, um and despite having the smallest hands of

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Speaker 1: anybody that you'll see, he just catches everything. Go back

504
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Speaker 1: and look at some of the most athletic catches you've

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Speaker 1: seen here, and they all come from a guy that's

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Speaker 1: just doesn't look like an athlete. Well, maybe I think

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Speaker 1: you bring up a great point. I'm with you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's toughness also stands out to me, and

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Speaker 1: his smarts, I mean the adjustments he makes to your

510
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Speaker 1: point that he's able to get in position to get open,

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Speaker 1: get his hands on the football and make plays after

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Speaker 1: the catching. You know, I thought your example of New England.

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Speaker 1: You see what they did with guys like Julian Edelman,

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Speaker 1: former quarterback Danny mmon Dola. You know there's a place

515
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Speaker 1: for under Referro Walker is another guy. There's a place

516
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Speaker 1: for a hunter Renfrow to me with an NFL team,

517
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Speaker 1: because he'll grind it out. He'll probably if anything, I

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Speaker 1: was gonna ask you special teams, how much do you

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Speaker 1: think he could contribute there to carve out further of

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Speaker 1: a career. He's a high school quarterback that moved over

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Speaker 1: high school baseball player, athletic guy um cong by the way,

522
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Speaker 1: he's a former walk on here. And but so in

523
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Speaker 1: other words, he's one of these guys that would just

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Speaker 1: do all that he he did some part returning mainly

525
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Speaker 1: just you know, just from building the football here. He

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Speaker 1: didn't do a whole lot of other special teams work

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Speaker 1: here because she's so you know, so dogone valuable, uh

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Speaker 1: you know, and as that possession receiver. Again, I just

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Speaker 1: look around and read and I can't believe it. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe that Edelman and those guys have made the

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Speaker 1: impact that they made on the game. But on third down,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, you better find him on third

533
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Speaker 1: down because on third and four, the way he reads

534
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Speaker 1: your defense, how smart he is, He's going to separate.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't have a lot of I have to

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Speaker 1: have a lot of separation because you get it close,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna catch the football, he's gonna move the chains. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You don't game plan for him. But at the end

539
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Speaker 1: of the day, you can watch Manka fitz Patrick. Go

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Speaker 1: back and watch the very first game as a freshman. Uh,

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Speaker 1: in that National Champions of Game. Mankn fitz Patrick, I've

542
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Speaker 1: got him up from your territory high. He fought a

543
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Speaker 1: cornerback he made look silly. And there's no doubt who

544
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Speaker 1: the most athletic between us two is, who's the higher rated,

545
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: who who're gonna invest in those might be? But yet

546
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Speaker 1: in rentfro two touchdown passes, I guess Alabama. I think

547
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Speaker 1: in his career, I think he had like eight touchdown

548
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Speaker 1: passes and like twenty four catches like three d something.

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Speaker 1: You know, he just he earned an NFL defensive back

550
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Speaker 1: to Alabama every single year. Well, you don't make you

551
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Speaker 1: before we let you go. I just want to say,

552
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Speaker 1: see that, as I said earlier to you about Ferrell,

553
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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that I know Scouts put

554
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Speaker 1: a little extra checkmark in the box for when a

555
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Speaker 1: guy shows up in big, big spots. Uh, that's an

556
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Speaker 1: intangible that does count for a lot when you get

557
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Speaker 1: to the show. There's no doubt I'm been mentioning this

558
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Speaker 1: to just just to play upon that. That's what you

559
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Speaker 1: get at clumpson on a lot of these guys. Now, Um,

560
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Speaker 1: you know we saw it now, I never do a

561
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago that the good sins that has

562
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: played pretty well for you and Goldmans has been a good,

563
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Speaker 1: steady guy for you. High they're not gonna back down

564
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Speaker 1: from the moment. Not the most athletic guys there, but

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Speaker 1: they're they're not gonna back down for the moment. The

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Speaker 1: moment is not gonna be too big for them. And

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Speaker 1: we talked about the Shawn Watson when we visited you

568
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Speaker 1: guys a couple of years ago. Back to this, Uh,

569
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Speaker 1: that the stage is not too big you think about it,

570
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: they're they're built for big games like that. And we'll

571
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Speaker 1: mention one quick guy, uh, Mitch Hight on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys need some offensive line help. He's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be a first day pick. I think it's

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Speaker 1: you know, fourth or fifth round guy. He started at

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Speaker 1: the very first game as a true freshman here left

576
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Speaker 1: tackle in this league. And he's not a road grader.

577
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Speaker 1: He's not a guy that's going to look great in

578
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Speaker 1: the combine, great the Pro Day or anything on those lines.

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Speaker 1: But quite frankly, and as simply, you know, we complicate

580
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Speaker 1: this game so many times, his guy does not sack

581
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Speaker 1: the quarterback and his guy does not make a tackle.

582
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Speaker 1: Now again, it's not physically the most impressive looking thing,

583
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Speaker 1: but you're drawing it up and uh in covering his

584
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Speaker 1: kid for I think I might say fifty fifty eight

585
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Speaker 1: fifty football games. He's one quite frankie you never talked

586
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Speaker 1: about because there was no weakness. He's not gonna road

587
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: grade anybody. He's not gonna be an all Pro, but

588
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Speaker 1: he's gonna play in the league eight or ten years

589
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: and he's gonna make somebody a really solid offense linement

590
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Speaker 1: over the fourth and fifth six well, and there's room

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Speaker 1: for those guys in the NFL, specifically teams that need

592
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Speaker 1: depth and versatile offensive lineman who could be moved around.

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Speaker 1: He is Mickey Plyler, sports talk show host on one

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Speaker 1: oh five point five The Roar w c CPFM in Clemson,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. Mickey has always greatly appreciated the time in

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Speaker 1: the inside. Thanks so much for joining us here on

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Speaker 1: the program. Catch you next year, Mickey, Thank you. Sounds great.

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Speaker 1: You guys have a great year you as well. That

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Speaker 1: is Mickey Plyler, once again breaking down the Clemson prospects

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Speaker 1: who are getting set to enter the two thousand nineteen

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. I think the NFL should just have like

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Speaker 1: what they have in Europe with soccer teams, and the

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00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: low level teams should drop down in Alabama, and Clemson

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Speaker 1: should be allowed to come into the and play in

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Speaker 1: the NFL for a year or two, because, after all,

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Speaker 1: they've got a full team of prospects. Nick Saban has

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Speaker 1: coached the Dolphins and he's been an assistant in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know necessarily whether he's anxious to go

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Speaker 1: up against the powerhouses of football, but It's funny because

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Speaker 1: that's soccer parallel has been brought up even at the

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Speaker 1: NBA to punish teams the league. You know there is

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Speaker 1: the league now, correct the league? Yes, the sponsor changed

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Speaker 1: it from D League to G League. I'm to be

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Speaker 1: politically correct. We do we do to these minor league systems.

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Speaker 1: But we'll get into that a little bit later on

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Speaker 1: on the program. So we just broke down Clemson gonna

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Speaker 1: make a quick transition to another school that has a

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Speaker 1: number of intriguing prospects getting set for the two thousand

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Speaker 1: nineteen NFL Draft, and that is the Wisconsin Badgers. Were

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Speaker 1: now joined by Bryant Posting sports director W T. S

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Speaker 1: O the Big ten seventy in Madison, Wisconsin. Brian, you

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Speaker 1: got Lance Medal, Paul the Tino here with you on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com, Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate the time

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Speaker 1: house everything today, good Lands. Thanks for having me on. Hey,

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Speaker 1: great to have you on this morning. And you know

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Speaker 1: we were just talking before you came on the program.

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Speaker 1: It's about Wisconsin football and where's the beef because you

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Speaker 1: guys certainly having up front, especially in that offensive line.

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Speaker 1: So before we get down into the nitty gritty. How

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Speaker 1: about just a thumbnail sketch on I guess it's bench

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Speaker 1: wal Dieter and Edwards who are getting a lot of

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Speaker 1: praise coming out of the Combine. And quite frankly, I've

633
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Speaker 1: heard people tell me that they think David Edwards is

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Speaker 1: massively underrated in spite of the props that he's received. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's been an All American and All Conference

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Speaker 1: player and six seven pounds and uh, I mean he's

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Speaker 1: a Mahler. I mean he's he's really really good in

638
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: the run game. You know, he played right tackle for Wisconsin,

639
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: but he's solid in past protection. Um, you know he

640
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: I do believe you look at Wisconsin, uh, the history

641
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin football since Barry Alvarez took over the program

642
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: in and they've turned out offensive lineman the best Joe

643
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: Thomas who just retired from the Cleveland Browns and a

644
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: perennial All Pro. But you know a couple of guys

645
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: are recently. A few guys recently have come out and

646
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: played significant roles of their teams. Ryan Ramcheck in New Orleans,

647
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: Rob Havenstein was Super Bowl with the Rams. Kevin Zeitler

648
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: the Giants just got him in that trade with Cleveland. Cleveland,

649
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: So I mean they it's it's you know, some people

650
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: refer to Wisconsin as running back you, and that I mean, actually,

651
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: actually you could make a case for that. But offensive

652
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: line you certainly fits Wisconsin's mold and Joe Rudolph, who's

653
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator and the offensive line coach who has

654
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: done a great job under Paul Chris getting these guys ready.

655
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: But I I like, I like David Edwards a lot.

656
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: I think he can be a solid pro. Ben Shall

657
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: both Ben Shaw is a guy you know, he played

658
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: guard at Wisconsin, six six three fifteen and he's nasty.

659
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: Uh And so you put the size together in the

660
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: fact he piss his people off or they pissed him off. Okay,

661
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I like him already, right. And then Michael Michael Dieter,

662
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: he's six six or so something like that. He's played center,

663
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: he's played guard, he moved to left tackle, then moved

664
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: back to guard this year out of the team's needs,

665
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: and he performed so well in any position that he

666
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: was put in. So really, all three of these guys

667
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: I think will be solid NFL offensive lineman for many

668
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: many years. Now. We know the conference is a conference

669
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: that does stress power up front in the trenches. I'm

670
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, telling you anything you don't already know.

671
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: But what is it specifically about those old lineman at

672
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Speaker 1: a Wisconsin You mentioned the history and the tradition. Is

673
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: it something that they just teach the pro techniques that

674
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: allow these guys to be groomed quicker so that they're

675
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: ready for the NFL game, No doubt about it. Whether

676
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: it was Bill huberback in various days or Bill Callahan

677
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: who eventually went on to coach the Raiders and the

678
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: Nebraska Cornhuskers, and did you Joe Rudolph Right now they

679
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: play except for the two years when Gary Anderson was

680
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: coach here a few years back, Wisconsin has played a

681
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: pro style offense. It's power I running with a fullback.

682
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: They'll they will use two tight ends. They incorporate or

683
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: have incorporated, their wide receivers more recently because they have

684
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: better wide receiver of them they have had before. But

685
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: it's it's all taught. They're taught how to play as

686
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: a pro while they're in college and that has them

687
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: ready for the NFL. And Travis Fredericks another guy by

688
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: the way that we should mention to a product has

689
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: come out of Wisconsin show, I mean, and one of

690
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: the most intelligent people you'll ever meet too. I mean,

691
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: if he wasn't a football player, he'd be making billions

692
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: of dollars, and he's making millions now, so I think

693
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: he's over. Yeah, he's got time to get to the billions, Brian.

694
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Right now, he's working right. You brought up David Edwards,

695
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: who we started with, and the one thing that I

696
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: find very interesting about him, Brian, is he was a quarterback,

697
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: then he played tight end, and then all of a

698
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: sudden becomes a white tackle, which you don't see happen

699
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: very often. What do you attribute because I think this

700
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: is going to be something that's appealing. I'm sure to

701
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: NFL scouts his versatility's athleticism, But what do you attribute

702
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: to how he successfully made that type of a transition.

703
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: I think it's part of the culture that they have

704
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin when some of these young men that are recruited,

705
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: and a lot of the big boys come out of

706
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: the state of Wisconsin, there's no doubt about that. But

707
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: when they're recruited, they may come in at six ft

708
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: four and two hundred and sixty pounds, and they've been

709
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: playing Division six football and upstate Upstate Wisconsin. Right, So

710
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: when they get them on campus, they they see where

711
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: they where they stand athletically, how they handle um different

712
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: things in game situations. They basically figure out their football

713
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: i Q. And then they determine where they're going to

714
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: put them where they fit best on the team. I mean,

715
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: that's way Wisconsin football has operated. They don't get the

716
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: five and four star recruits. They'll get a few. Graham

717
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Mertz is a highly touted quarterback that's a freshman that

718
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: graduated high school early and it's going to battle for

719
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: the starting job this year. But what they do is

720
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: they just they just developed these young men and determine, Okay,

721
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, at his size, he's got to play here,

722
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: and they bulk him up and look what they've produced.

723
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing. It's just something that bow bench

724
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: All has done, David Edwards has done, Michael Dieter. You

725
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be an offensive lineman and

726
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: both and bench All really that that's where they targeted

727
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: him when he was coming out of high school. He

728
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: was gonna be what they thought would be a big tackle,

729
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: and he certainly is where do you see Dieter actually

730
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: playing when he gets to the NFL. We already understand

731
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: that he's got great versatility, but but where do you

732
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: think his best fit will be? Because that may certainly

733
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: affect his draft status. Yeah, his his versatility and his intelligence,

734
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: so therefore I could see him playing center. But I

735
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: think he's more than the prototypical guard in the NFL.

736
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: That's that's where I think he sees he he fits,

737
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: but could play some tackle as well. That's I mean,

738
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: that's the thing you're with Michael Dieter in particular, of

739
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: the three offensive linemen that are going to go in

740
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: this draft, somewhere mid rounds, maybe his high as the

741
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: third round. Who knows um Deeter is the most versatile

742
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: of those three, and he's got a mean streak in

743
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: him as well, and just this desire to continue to

744
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: get better. And I mean, he was one of the

745
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: most consistent offensive line in the Big Ten has had

746
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: in the last couple of decades. Bryant, you're gonna tell

747
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: me that they can't line them up at wide receiver

748
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: after what he Illinois, he did catch a touchdown path

749
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: he did against Nebraska a couple of years ago. And

750
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: he keeps. He kept asking Paul Chris to feed a more,

751
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: feed the more, but it never happened again. It was

752
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: his one shining life, A nice move up the left sideline. There.

753
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: You feed him anymore, he'll be He's a nimble he's

754
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: nimble for his size. Oh yeah, yeah, he's got great

755
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: foot work. He does. Actually, all three of them do.

756
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean they are, they're they're good pros. I think

757
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna be good pros because of how they've been

758
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: taught at the University of Wisconsin. Now on the other

759
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: side of the ball, Brian, they've got a trio linebackers

760
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: who also have draftable grades. Again, I don't know necessarily

761
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: how high they're going to go, but these guys are

762
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: potential make it players. Yeah. Andrew Van Ginkle an outside linebacker.

763
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: He was a junior college transfer who you know. He

764
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: played well his first season with Wisconsin, which would be

765
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: his junior year academically and uh, and he played well

766
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: and you could see that he had something about him

767
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: that could be effective. Um uh playing on a you know,

768
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: a play by play basis. But he got hurt in

769
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: the second game of the season and really was never

770
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: able to live up to his potential until the latter

771
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: part of the year. He's fantastic off the edge. He

772
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: is so so athletic. I mean, you know, he actually

773
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: could be a wide receiver if he needed him to be.

774
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: He's got some pretty good hands. He can really run

775
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: to the boundary. I like Andrew Vane Ginkl a lot.

776
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: He might be a bit lean for what the NFL

777
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: is looking for, but he's bulked up, you know, ten

778
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: pounds or so since the season ended, so I think

779
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: he sees that as well. In the middle linebackers. I mean,

780
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: you're listened to him at six three to one coming

781
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: out of the combine. That doesn't sound too like to no,

782
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: but when he when he played in college, though he

783
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: was lean, you know, he did not. He was not

784
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: two pounds twenty. He's obviously put on some Yeah, yeah,

785
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: probably like that the most. He's long, right, so so

786
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: that's so you've got that length in him too, which

787
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: adds some pounds to him. But no, he's put on

788
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: some beef, there's no question since the season ended. But

789
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: you know Edwards, t J. Edwards and Ryan Connley a

790
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: couple of middle linebackers really really good. T J. Edwards

791
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: very good athlete. Uh instinctive. I mean he he led

792
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: the team and tackles two years ago when he was,

793
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, the top linebacker in the Big Ten, and

794
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: last year he finished second to Connolly, who actually played

795
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: only twelve games because of an injury. Listened to this

796
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: injury that Connley had, He had surgery to repair abdominal muscins,

797
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: the muscles that had tolled from his pubic bone. How

798
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: comfortable does that sound? No? That does not sound good? No, no, no,

799
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: no no. He he reads plays well, He's fast to

800
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: the boundary. I you know, Connley's may have more more

801
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: of the the get up and go of the two

802
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: middle linebackers. But TJ. Edwards, I mean he was, he was.

803
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: He was a fantastic college linebacker. And sometimes that's where

804
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: your career ends. But I think he's gonna he'll he'll

805
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: he'll be selected or signed as a free agent somewhere

806
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: and he'll get his chance. We're talking with Briant post

807
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: E sports director W. T. S O The Big Tense,

808
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: Heavity and Madison, Wisconsin previewing the Wisconsin prospects or the

809
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: upcoming draft. You brought up t J in terms of

810
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: his ability to, you know, go sideline to sideline, which

811
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: I think is certainly appealing when you look at his statistics, Brian,

812
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's filled up the statute, interceptions, tackles for loss.

813
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: But I feel as if maybe sometimes people are overlooking

814
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: what he could bring to the table with respect to

815
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: his athleticism, and they feel his smarts makes up for

816
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: what he's lacking there. I mean, how smart intellectual of

817
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: a player is he that he can carve out a

818
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: lengthy career if there's maybe not as much upside from

819
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: an athleticism standpoint. Yeah, and we've seen that a lot

820
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: with middle linebackers, the quarterbacks of the defense. And that's

821
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: what words has been the last three years at Wisconsin.

822
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: He is highly intelligent. He is one of the best

823
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: interviews you could ever have because he engages in you

824
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: and doesn't just give you, you know, one liners or cliches.

825
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: Um he's I mean, he's an out academic performer at

826
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: Wisconsin too while being a starting football player on a

827
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: really good program. So no, he's he's got that for sure.

828
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: His football i Q is ridiculous and because of that,

829
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I do think that teams will give him a good

830
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: look because he's just as smart as can be. I've

831
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: got one more guy I need to ask about Lance,

832
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: and it comes down to the fullback who was really

833
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: a dying breed in the National Football League. You just

834
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: don't see him very much anymore. But Alec ingold to me,

835
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: if you still want to have a fullback in your offense,

836
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: this guy is pretty tough. He would be a guy

837
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: who I would want my camp. Yeah. Well, well, you

838
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: know what, he's in the mold of Derek Watt with

839
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: the San Diego or Los Angeles Chargers now right, And

840
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: he's he and and the thing is with Alec he

841
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: moved from the defensive side of the football to play

842
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: fullback and and took it for the team, thrived for

843
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: the team as a fullback. And you know, when you

844
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: look at what Jonathan Taylor has done his first two

845
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: years at Wisconsin, He's rushed for two hundred yards. He's

846
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: had over six hundred carries. And while Taylor at times

847
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: will go single back and Gold has been his leading

848
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Speaker 1: blocker and he just demolishes uh pursuing linebackers and freeze.

849
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: You know, Taylor up to rush for five six yards

850
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: per carry. I mean, that's been his career average. But

851
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: he also can do things out of the backfield that

852
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: I think would be helpful. He's a very good pass catcher.

853
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: He's I don't know what the total number is of

854
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: touchdowns he scored um in relation to the touches he

855
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: had at Wisconsin, but it's you know, I mean it's

856
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: three big is like eight to one. So he uh,

857
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: he can do a lot of different things. And if

858
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: you're in that mold, you know, say, Klon Barkley, you

859
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: know what, there's nothing wrong with with having a guy

860
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: sticking his nose in there, a young pup like alec

861
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: Ingold and opening holes and maybe increasing a few more

862
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: for you. Well. And it's interesting you brought up his

863
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, Brian,

864
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: because Pat Shermer had to the Giants and one thing

865
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: he's always said, and the Giants have had a fullback

866
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 1: here there on the roster. Their only way that they're

867
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: keeping a full back is if he can serve as

868
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: a receiver and catch the ball. If he can't, then

869
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: there's no way they're keeping a fullback. So that makes

870
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: Ingold appealing based on how they've utilized him at Wisconsin,

871
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: based on what you're saying. Yeah, Ingold can catch the

872
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: ball and he's a good special teamer too. I mean,

873
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is not afraid to put starters out on special

874
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: teams and Ingolds one of them, and he's fantastic in

875
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: that role. Great stuff, Absolutely he has. Brian post E,

876
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: Sports Director w TSO the Big Tense seventy in Madison, Wisconsin.

877
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: Brian greatly appreciate the time and the inside. Thanks so

878
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: much for coming on the program. Thank you, Brian, all right,

879
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: have fun. Thanks guys, you got it. That is Brian

880
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Postic once again weighing in on the Wisconsin products. A

881
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: lot of offensive lineman and a handful of linebackers. We

882
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: just talked to guys who watched two programs on a

883
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: day in and day out basis, and it is clear

884
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: there is a lot of pro talent on these two

885
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: schools and or coming out of these two schools, I

886
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: should say, And it seems to me, uh lands that

887
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: more than ever because of what's happened over the last

888
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: more than a handful of years now with the new

889
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: cb A in the NFL, where you can't necessarily get

890
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: these guys coached up and trained up as much as

891
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: you'd like, especially as rookies, when guys can come out

892
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: of their big time college programs with some of that

893
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: pro skill training, it really is a tremendous advantage to them,

894
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: and these schools both get those guys already a step

895
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: and a half on their way into the NFL. Well,

896
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: that's why I thought what Brian said was interesting, and

897
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: it was based off a question that you posed to him.

898
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: The structure, the culture that is embedded into Wisconsin football,

899
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: the types of offensive line coaches that they've brought in.

900
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: Paul has now created uh cluster of players that can

901
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: immediately make the transition from college to the pros. Where

902
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: there are other schools, you know, they run these creative,

903
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: out of the box scheme that all of a sudden,

904
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: they get it to the NFL and they're asking them

905
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: to do something completely different. See what's interesting is that

906
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: you get a few of these programs like Wisconsin, like Clemson,

907
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: who do keep that part of the game in mind.

908
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: They do want to train these guys in the pro styles,

909
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: in the pro techniques, in the pro philosophies, because, yeah,

910
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: for them, they're proud of the lineage of the guys

911
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: that they've sent into the league. We've talked about this

912
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: at infinite um. Most college coaches are in the game

913
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: to just win games. They want to win on Saturday,

914
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: to get that booster money, to get that alumni money,

915
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: to get the sponsorships that they need, because they want

916
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: to drive their Saturday tailgate people crazy with victories. Well,

917
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: that's fine, Okay, I get that, and that's what their

918
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: job is. They're supposed to win for their college programs. However,

919
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: there are clearly times when NFL scouts can look at

920
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: a program, or a specific school or persistent specific coaching

921
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: staff and say, no, no, there guys are a little

922
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: more pro ready than those other guys over there, and

923
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: that can make a difference and where a guy gets

924
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: either drafted or whether or not the guy even becomes

925
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: a priority undrafted rookie free agent and winds up making

926
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: the fifty three man rosterball how much heavy lifting do

927
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: you have to do with the prospect? I mean, I

928
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: think that's the big question for an NFL scout. How

929
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: much do you got to polish the player or is

930
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: he as close to a finished product as possible? In

931
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: terms of the infrastructure of running an NFL system, and

932
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: especially in the trenches where you don't get a ton

933
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: of hitting in NFL training camps anymore. So at a

934
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: place like Wisconsin where they've got these guys already made.

935
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: You know, car Banks, you still love to say, you know,

936
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: with these rookies, you don't just add water. Well, with

937
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: some of these Wisconsin lineman, that's what you do. You

938
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: just add water because they're already a step and a

939
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: half ready to go. Well, and you said earlier the

940
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: corn seeds have already been planted also, I mean, based

941
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: on that power l I don't think there's really anything

942
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: else that you need to do other than adds some water.

943
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: I want to remind you Big Blue Kigoff Live presented

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Speaker 1: win Amazing Giants prizes. So thanks again to Mickey and

946
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: Brian for joining us with respect to Clemson in Wisconsin,

947
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: we've got open phone lines. You want to give us

948
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: a ring. The remainder of the program will certainly be

949
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: happy to field some of your phone calls. Two zero

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00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: one five one three two zero one four five one

951
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: three hashtag Giants chat on Twitter related to the draft.

952
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: Related to speculation, Paul, there was a story that has

953
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: emerged today that Josh Rosen and i Arizona Cardinals quarterback

954
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: is going to show up for offseason workouts because there's

955
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: some speculation. Other players that have been tied to trade

956
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: speculation have decided to hold down and so forth, and

957
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: it will be interesting to see how that plays out.

958
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just another example, regardless of the

959
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: overwhelming speculation that the Cardinals is gonna take Murray and

960
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: look to trade Josh Rosen. Sometimes t put things out

961
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: simply to create noise, to create misdirection. I think it's

962
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: important that everybody takes a step back and understands that,

963
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: not to say that you should throw out everything you hear,

964
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean there's a great deal of stock

965
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: and substance behind everything that is reported leading up to

966
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: the draft, because there's a lot of teams that have agendas. Well,

967
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: there are also other times where teams will put things

968
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: out there just to test the waters and did gain

969
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: a sense of what the temperature is for the player.

970
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's pure smoke, as you suggested. Other times they

971
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: just want to get a better feel for exactly what

972
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: the market might be, to give themselves more information as

973
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: they decide how they want to move well, and here's

974
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: another thing, you have to take it to consideration. I

975
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: could also see Paul the Cardinals drafting Kyler Murray, keeping

976
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen on the roster and waiting quarterback gets hurt

977
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: during training camp. Team now needs a quarterback. The draft

978
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: is over, not a lot of substance on the free

979
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: agent market. It depends on how much Josh Rosen is

980
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: on board with that. Because if in fact, and there's

981
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: a possibility, we don't know, and I we're just talking

982
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: hypothetically here. If player A, let's let's not even put

983
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: names to this. If player A doesn't like the fact

984
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: that his name has been bandied about, no matter who's

985
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: responsible or what the motive is. If player A doesn't

986
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 1: like that very much, and then sees the first round

987
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: draft pick or first overall pick drafted at his position,

988
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: there is a chance that he's not going to be

989
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: very happy and that and and that it will cause

990
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: a problem within your locker room and within your organization.

991
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: So a disgruntled player A is not somebody you're going

992
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: to want to keep around through training camp and into

993
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: the season. If he is a problem, well you certainly

994
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: have to factor that in, but I think from the

995
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: coach's perspective, they would also say competition is good to

996
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: help develop ros depends on how player a response to that. No,

997
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: and that's the million dollar question. How does Josh Rosen

998
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: handle Kyler Murray coming to the mix if the card

999
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: does go that direction. All I'm saying is is that

1000
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if Arizona does hold onto

1001
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: him because it reminds me of the Philadelphia Eagles scenario.

1002
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: And I know I've brought this up a lot on

1003
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: the show, but Philadelphia resigned Sam Bradford Paul, they gave

1004
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: him an extension. They then moved up to draft Carson

1005
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: Wentz whence was it even being handed the starting rains,

1006
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: Bradford went into camp as the star Wentz was hurt.

1007
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: If you remember Teddy Bridgewater goes down all of a sudden,

1008
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: the Eagles have three quarterbacks because Chase Daniel was signed

1009
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: since he was with Doug Peterson in Kansas City and

1010
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: they made a trade. So could something similar happen in Arizona.

1011
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: That's all I'm throwing out there, because you know, everybody's

1012
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: counted down the days, the minutes, they're gonna get rid

1013
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: of Rose in the day before the draft, two days

1014
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: right after pick Murray, and for all we know, maybe

1015
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: they hold on to him, maybe they feel that his

1016
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: value will increase because you know, somebody's gonna get hurt.

1017
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: It's not that we're wishing that, but that's the nature

1018
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: of the beast of the NFL. Somebody goes down during

1019
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: training camp, somebody goes down in the spring where teams

1020
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Speaker 1: don't anticipate that, and they may all of a sudden

1021
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: have a need for a quarterback, and now the market changes. Well,

1022
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: speaking of the draft and not specifically Rose, and I

1023
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: had put up a tweet yesterday commenting that as of today,

1024
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: the Giants have twelve picks in the draft. We've discussed

1025
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: that before. It's the most they've had since they had

1026
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: eleven picks in two thousand three, and the last time

1027
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: the Giants had twelve picks in the draft, which was

1028
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: the last time that the NFL had twelve rounds of drafts. Now,

1029
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: why do I bring that up because we have someone

1030
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: who has twitted us or tweeted us. I guess you

1031
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: like that. Why not? Uh So, Timothy Allen Jerrock says

1032
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: he had forgot about how future trade value of future

1033
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: draft picks can be plus one round. Now why do

1034
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: I bring this up? Well, because he's asking us this question,

1035
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: and what I've tried to present to people is that

1036
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman has a stockpile of twelve draft picks in

1037
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: this draft, and I don't think he's going to make

1038
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: twelve selections. It is my opinion he will try to

1039
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: do something to improve either the positioning of his current

1040
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: picks or perhaps even combo and just flat out move up,

1041
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, by switching rounds and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Uh,

1042
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: there's also a possibility that he could use some of

1043
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: those picks to trade for two thousand twenty picks. And

1044
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: that's where the question comes in because the gentleman who

1045
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: had tweeted me, See I got it right that time,

1046
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: who tweeted me wanted to know what is the value

1047
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: of Like, if you trade one of your fifth round

1048
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: picks the Giants have three. What if you trade one

1049
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: of those fifth round picks for a two thousand twenty pick,

1050
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: what can you expect to get. Well, the rule of

1051
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: thumb in the NFL is if you trade away one

1052
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: of this year's rounds, you can up it by a

1053
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: round for next year's pick. So, in other words, rule

1054
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: of thumb means if the Giants want to trade one

1055
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: of their fifth rounders this year, they can start talking

1056
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: about getting a fourth rounder from somebody in. That's the

1057
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: way that the trade value usually happens, or at least

1058
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: that's where you start your conversation. Whether or not it

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Speaker 1: winds up that way. We know negotiations can always but

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00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the way it goes. So when

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Speaker 1: you think about Gettleman's twelve picks, and I've had critics,

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00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: of course come out on Twitter and say, Tobody, well,

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00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: so many of these picks are in the part up

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Speaker 1: of the draft. Who cares? It doesn't matter? Well, like

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Speaker 1: I had to, I had to mention message one wise

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Speaker 1: guy back this morning and say, did you know that

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Speaker 1: two times Super Bowl champion running back A Mod Bradshaw

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00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: was a seventh round selection Jesse Armstead also way down there.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, you can't find players, especially if you

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Speaker 1: have a good drafting eye and you spend the kind

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00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: of time Gettleman spends watching tape, you can get good

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00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: players with those later round picks. And it's certainly possible.

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00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: Let's say that he trades maybe one of his sixes

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00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: this year and gets a five next year and helps

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00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: his draft lot in. So there is value in saying

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00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: Gettleman has a bushel of twelve picks this year. We

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00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: just don't know how that value will materialize. I look

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00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: at it. His volume volume volume is good, which gives

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00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: the Giants flexibility to work with something this year, to

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00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: work with something next year. I mean Tom Brady, Antonio Brown,

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: or two other examples I would throw out late draft picks.

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00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say this, Paul, Yes, fifth round,

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00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: there's sixth round, theres seventh rounders can yield positive returns.

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00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: To just dismiss them is misleading. What the count it

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00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: to that is? Is it every single year that teams

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00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: are hitting home runs in the fifth, six, and seven rounds. No,

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00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: it's a rare recurrence. But you can't go into the

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00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: draft every year thinking, uh, we got three fives and

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00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: six and seven. Don't worry about it. No, you go out,

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00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: you make wise picks. You give guys an opportunity to

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00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: pete trying to make the roster and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I do think though, twelve is a lot to expect

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00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: if they do make all twelve selections. Let's say, from

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00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: a hypothetical standpoint, for all twelve of those players to

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00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: realistically have a shot to make the roster, I think

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00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: it's very slim. That's why it would make sense if

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00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: you're Dave Gentleman to package some or move some to

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00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: get assets for next year. I totally agree. We have

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00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: another tweet a guy who a Don Decker at n

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Speaker 1: y G and h O G at New York Giant

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Speaker 1: and Hog. That's interesting. Well, it may be a reference

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00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: to Hog model. It could be right up here. It

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00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: could be He wants to know if I've looked at

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Speaker 1: Titus Howard, Uh, the offensive tackle out of Alabama State,

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00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: what analysis could he still be there for a third

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00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: round pick? Just seems like Gettleman, Gettleman pick to me,

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00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: Um Howard should be there in the third round. Quite frankly.

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00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: My comments on him is that I see him as

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00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: a right tackle. Uh came out of high school as

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00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: a quarterback convert at the tight end. We were just

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00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: talking about a similar situation with Wisconsin and David Edwards.

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Speaker 1: Uh what I wrote down on him, He's a red

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00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: shirt senior he goes six five two. Of course, at

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00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: Alabama stake, you're talking about an FCS program, so level

1115
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: of competition will be the first question that has to

1116
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: be asked of him. Uh. The the questions that I

1117
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: also had about his skill set, use of hands as

1118
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: well as his footwork. UH, definitely needed some polish. I

1119
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: did like his arm length, his power. Uh. And let's

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00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: see here, what else did I write? I can't read

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00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: it so much. Oh. I liked his balance, I wrote down.

1122
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: I scribbled it a little bit. I gotta be a

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00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: little more clear on some Well, when you're doing this

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00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: at three shot scratch, when you're doing this at three

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00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, by the time you've watched the

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00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: twentie offensive tackle, you know, sometimes it gets a little blarer.

1127
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that's an indication you need to stop for the

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00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: day so that you could pick it up the following day,

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00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: and then the handwriting is a little bit more clear.

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00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: I get obsessed with these guys. I understand that, But

1131
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: remember it's all about the final product, not really in

1132
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: the moment. You ever see that TV show or that

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00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: movie where suddenly somebody's at his desk and then they

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00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: give you that little time lapse on the screen and

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00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they show you the clock and

1136
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: it's like five hours later. And probably that happens to

1137
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: me every time I watched how many meals I've missed?

1138
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: How many times have you fallen asleep at it's and

1139
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: you what you wake up the next morning and no,

1140
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: usually like an hour and a half later. I'll wake

1141
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: up with my head on the desk and the tape

1142
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: running in front of me realizing it. Oh wow, I

1143
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: was I was looking at linebackers just now and and

1144
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: and a lo and behol Oh it's three thirty in

1145
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: the morning, and last I remember it was two o'clock.

1146
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: So that does happen. Well, at least you find a

1147
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: way to get some sleep in it's it's not sleep,

1148
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: it's not but anyway, So um, arms, I've got power

1149
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: and I've got balance for Titus Howard as good things.

1150
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: So yes, I do think though with the level of

1151
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: comp he'll be there in the third round. Um. I'm

1152
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: probably more excited about guys coming out of bigger programs,

1153
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: partly because of that pro ready aspect we already talked about,

1154
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, for Titus Howard, I'm not suggesting that he

1155
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: can't be a legitimate NFL prospect, because I believe that

1156
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: he is. He's probably going to need more time, more polish,

1157
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: more work, and more elbow grease to get him ready.

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00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: And I think that the Giants probably are much more

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00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: likely to draft a plug and playwright tackle from a

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00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: bigger school than they would to go after Howard. Again,

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 1: not to say that he wouldn't be on their radar.

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00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we've seen offensive lineman from smaller programs

1163
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: get drafted, so it can start a red flag. You know.

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00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: There's been some guys some D three programs that have

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: made it to the NFL. It's all about technique. It's

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00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: all about whether Allie Mark Pett that was the exact

1167
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: guy went to I think Hobart right if I'm correct,

1168
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: so for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So there's one guy

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00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: that comes to mind. Rare but certainly something to take

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00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: into consideration. One last thing I want to throw out,

1171
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: related to the actual current roster before we signed off.

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00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: This story may have gone under the radar, but the

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00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: Giants did wave Quadri Henderson yesterday. The reason I wanted

1174
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: to bring that up, Paul I was very high on him.

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00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: Last year when the Giants added him, I thought there

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00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of potential. Unfortunately, dealt with some injuries,

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00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: had a shoulder injury. He was placed on I R

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00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: in November. But when he was a return man, he

1179
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: did flash and he showed a lot of promise. What

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00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: I think you have to understand with a move like

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00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: this is the Giants acquiring Jabril Peppers, who has been

1182
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: a main punt and kickoff return eye for Cleveland. He's

1183
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: now going to be relied upon. End They're bringing back

1184
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman Paul, so between Coleman and Peppers, the opportunity

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: for somebody else to just make the roster as mainly

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00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: a special teamer. I think he's extremely slim, so I

1187
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: think this is more about Henderson having an opportunity to

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00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: maybe claim a job elsewhere as opposed to realistically having

1189
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: a shot to carve something out with the Giants. Well,

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00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: let me also add this, I do believe that the

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00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 1: Giants do need a skyscraping receiver in the room. Monti

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00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: Tumor and I talked about this on the show the

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00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: other day. I do favor having at least one of

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Speaker 1: them in the room. The A A f just folded

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Speaker 1: and again another thing that I posted on Twitter. And

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Speaker 1: Charles Johnson, the former Minnesota Viking who had his most

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Speaker 1: productive years fourteen, fifteen and sixteen with Minnesota. Pat Shermer

1198
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: was a offensive assistant on that Viking squad. And Johnson

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Speaker 1: six two and a half, has some length, has speed,

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Speaker 1: has come off of some injuries, has been in a

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Speaker 1: couple of different camps. Last year, actually came to camp

1202
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Speaker 1: with the Jets, but coming off that A c L

1203
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: injury from the previous year, he was unable to make

1204
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: the team. Well, he goes to the A A F

1205
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: this spring and leads that league in receptions, receiving yards caught,

1206
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: five touchdown passes. I think the average like fifteen yards

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Speaker 1: of grabs, one of the most productive wife He was

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: the most productive wide out by far in the league.

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01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: I think he's got to get another look by somebody

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, because now he's two years removed from

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Speaker 1: the A c L, which is the usual m O

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01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: for guys coming off of that surgery. I would not

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Speaker 1: be adverse if I were looking for a tall wide

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Speaker 1: receiver in the room to give in this guy a look.

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01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: And there's been plenty of a f players that have

1216
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: been signed over the last few days, even hours in

1217
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: the National Football League, so teams are clearly looking to

1218
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: add to their rosters. You get ninety guys on the

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01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: roster right now, there's no harm in trying to bring

1220
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: in some extra competition, all right. That is gonna wrap

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Speaker 1: up the latest edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live and

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Speaker 1: appreciate everybody for tuning in today as well as all

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Speaker 1: week long. Have a very enjoyable weekend. Will be back

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Speaker 1: up and running on Monday. Will continue to preview all

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Speaker 1: of the draft prospects from various schools to get you

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Speaker 1: set for a draft that is less than a month away.

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Speaker 1: How about that? Yes that you get everybody excited, including

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Speaker 1: my partner here Paul to Tino for Paul to Tina

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Speaker 1: on Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest of your Friday and

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