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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha STUFFE never told your

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Speaker 1: essentially um and from what I'm gathering in many of

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Speaker 1: whether or not you want to see like all of

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Speaker 1: the back and forth that's happened in the past years,

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Speaker 1: and as a reminder, especially for those of us in

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Speaker 1: the Western area, specifically the US, we get a very

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Speaker 1: whitewashed version of what is happening, and even on top

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Speaker 1: you have this picture of what Iran and when it

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Speaker 1: comes to UH, their beliefs are ideals and what's gone

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Speaker 1: women in Iran have been doing it for years, have

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Speaker 1: that's just something I think is really important that we

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Speaker 1: but I think it's important that we acknowledge that as well. Um. Also,

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Speaker 1: conversations that has happened recently, it's a hard subject, um,

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Speaker 1: So for a quick review. On September, Massa Amani, a

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Speaker 1: fact Lendon More stating that the unrust and dissatisfaction in

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