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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: Wait, look at Ms Tannover here back from Guatemala.

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Speaker 3: Who was there for two weeks.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I spent one thousand dollars two weeks.

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Speaker 2: You didn't spend one thousand dollars. I think we need bugs.

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Speaker 2: No God, the speech is okay.

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Speaker 4: The speeches were fine.

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Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know me, my name

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Speaker 2: is Janelle.

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Speaker 4: I was roommates with the bride in college.

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Speaker 5: Just get real.

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Speaker 6: Back back to my flag, grim mass thing.

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Speaker 4: The quarterbacks coach who got fourteen good games out of

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Speaker 4: Sam donold that that's the guy.

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Speaker 6: That's the answer, that's what you would feel great about.

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Speaker 4: You'd feel better about him.

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Speaker 7: Which is just the unknown.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 6: But it's also the like anger the other.

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Speaker 4: Point, which which I just I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm angry enough to get the

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Speaker 4: Paul de Bate, You're angry.

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Speaker 8: You shouldn't be somebody who has that much money and

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Speaker 8: walking into a stadium wearing what she wears.

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Speaker 2: You know, when she's on stage and you know, she

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Speaker 2: looks like somebody that's a band major. I know, but

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Speaker 2: like if she all of a sudden started dressing like shiz,

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Speaker 2: who is it?

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Speaker 4: I just have one question, if you can ask you

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Speaker 4: one more question. Have you ever seen over the top?

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Speaker 4: And is there a subculture of arm wrestling in the

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Speaker 4: truck driving community.

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Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium and Evan's back from Disney World.

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Speaker 7: I mean the Senior Bowl basically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll talk about that. It's Deuce, it's Paul,

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Speaker 2: it's me, it's Matt and Nabooth. You got a lot

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Speaker 2: of NFL stuff to talk about, some Patriots stuff to

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Speaker 2: talk about. We get the Pro Bowl. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk about Drake May at the Pro Bowl. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't happy. Yeah, I don't want to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of stuff going on. Obviously it's Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl week. They had media night last night down in

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Speaker 2: New Orleans, and I think that's gotten less and less

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Speaker 4: Well because the Patriots aren't ever like.

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Speaker 6: Me, not to take Evan's side of the street, but

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Speaker 6: it's just got nothing to do with football.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was the fun of it for me. It

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Speaker 2: was kind of the fun of it. Let's get all

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Speaker 2: the silliness out of the way and then we'll get

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Speaker 2: into football.

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Speaker 4: It's so weird for it. I used to watch it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, probably because the Patriots weren't it but Tuesdays, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know why I was a crazy fan,

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Speaker 4: But now that it's Monday nights, I don't even watch

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe I'm just jelly because I'm not down there,

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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but yeah, it just doesn't seem to

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Speaker 7: Well because the Chiefs are in it every single year.

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Speaker 7: It's less that.

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Speaker 2: I think the league is really try to make it

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Speaker 6: Part of it.

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Speaker 7: It stinks.

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Speaker 2: It stinks.

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Speaker 7: It's not a good event. No, it stinks. Okay, there's

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Speaker 7: just you get maybe one good SoundBite out of it,

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Speaker 6: I used to go and try because everybody is there,

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Speaker 2: It's really the best access you can get all week

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Speaker 7: So we had the coaches available during the week as well.

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Speaker 2: Yep, do they still have like the crazy people dressed

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Speaker 6: That is one of the redeeming values of that night.

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Speaker 6: There's there's some talent. Yeah, there's some talent in that stadium.

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Speaker 2: What so, coming off the Senior Bowl, are you more

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Speaker 2: Three, okay. And in terms of any I know the

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Speaker 7: No, it's a disappointing week for a lot of the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: You're gonna here if you read anything about the Senior

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Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, the Senior Bowl can't be

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Speaker 7: You do, but not I wouldn't say on the field,

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Speaker 4: We mean and everyone chatting a little bit about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, as soon as that happens, you see the

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Speaker 4: I love him, he's still twenty nine. I mean it's

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Speaker 6: I don't know if it makes sense in terms of

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 2: True. True, that's a big difference, just.

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Speaker 6: A minor technicality there. But I would be interested in Cup.

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Speaker 6: But I need to see what they do, you know.

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Speaker 6: And I heard Albert Breather this morning and I was

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Speaker 6: of like the Adam Thielen role on how he's sort

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Speaker 6: a complimentary piece. I like the idea of Cooper Cupp.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it'd cost you a whole lot to

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Speaker 2: So it's like twenty million or something like that.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know what the money is, but you know,

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Speaker 6: as you know, I'm very consistent. I don't really care

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Speaker 2: You can do the.

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Speaker 6: Finances on your time, but I don't think you're going

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Speaker 6: maybe a day three pickswap. You know, maybe I'll give you,

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Speaker 6: like that to get Cooper. It's not gonna cost you

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Speaker 4: Said, they're gonna trade them.

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Speaker 6: So if I had, say, like t Higgins and Hawkins,

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Speaker 7: He gets it in they're both Higgins, which would be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about what's the cost of bringing in Garrett?

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Speaker 2: And and people think that Miles Garrett's better.

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Speaker 7: hasn't he hasn't has washed. He hasn't had a full

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Speaker 6: He's missed at least five games the last three years.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's expensive. Obviously you can renegotiate contracts and all

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Speaker 7: idea and theory of him being this like veteran mentor

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Speaker 7: I would be more interested in him, and I wonder

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Speaker 7: if you could maybe throw a current player into the

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Speaker 6: If you're gonna do that joke, right, it's the Dodgers. Okay,

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Speaker 6: that's that's the Twitter joke is the Dodgers signed.

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Speaker 7: Um, he's right about the Lakers too, But yeah, I

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Speaker 7: you know, just someone that Rabel might view as not

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Speaker 7: the coaching staff's changing. Yeah, maybe you can. You can

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Speaker 7: dump one of them.

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Speaker 2: So even though these two guys, you know, one says

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Speaker 2: you technically you can't talk to them yet, right the Well.

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Speaker 6: It depends if the team's allowed that.

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Speaker 2: I guess you have to get permission from the team.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: My guess is Cleveland isn't in that position yet, but

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Speaker 7: Toast?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not toast. He might be injured, but when

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Speaker 2: he's out there, he doesn't. Okay, lately he's okay, He's

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Speaker 7: He's he's anything. For a couple of years, he's in

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Speaker 4: You're only the first setting. It's like lightly brown.

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Speaker 2: What was his numbers the last three games for the Rams?

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Speaker 2: Look at that, I noticed them.

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Speaker 6: I'll go from December on. Okay, okay. He had three

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Speaker 2: So he had two games in there that he was

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Speaker 6: I see one five for ninety two a touchdown.

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Speaker 6: I got a bunch of those.

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Speaker 2: You need the context, I got a bunch of those.

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Speaker 6: Kendrick Bourn.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he just doesn't separate on film the same way

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Speaker 6: Was six and two touchdowns in that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, great season.

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Speaker 6: sixty seven for seven to ten. So the production has

441
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,639
Speaker 6: dropped dramatically.

442
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 2: But I'll take six seven hundred yards from my fourth receiver.

443
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, he's not going to be your fourth receiver?

444
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 7: Why not because you paying him twenty million dollars a year?

445
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 7: So what.

446
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 2: So, who don't care about the money? Who you say

447
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 2: you don't care about the money.

448
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 6: But uh see, I'm not talking about the money. You

449
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 6: said he's the fourth receiver if you brought him right now,

450
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 6: he's your one research.

451
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm not stopping there.

452
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 6: So who are your are the three that are better

453
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 6: than that?

454
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. They're not on the roster right now. Okay,

455
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 2: they're not on the roster.

456
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 6: So you think it's realistic that they're going to acquire

457
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,479
Speaker 6: three receivers.

458
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 2: At least one at least one through the draft.

459
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 6: Yes, but he's better than Cooper Cup.

460
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not. But Cooper Cup is not in tended

461
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: to be my one or two receiver.

462
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, as I said, I'd be

463
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 6: interested in that. I think Mike's got some value there

464
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 6: with with sort of experience and mentorship. But my fear

465
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 6: would be whatever, and I think is fearing you're gonna

466
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 6: pay this guy whatever he's got left on his contracts,

467
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 6: that's gonna be our acquisition at the position. And that's

468
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 6: not good enough.

469
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 7: You're gonna end up having Cooper Cup. You'll take another

470
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 7: Dart in the draft, you know, at some point in

471
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 7: the top one hundred, and that those are your receiver acquisitions,

472
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 7: and that, to me isn't good enough. Like I'd much

473
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 7: rather pay t Higgins thirty instead of Cooper Cup at

474
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 7: thirty two years old twenty now.

475
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 6: T Higgins also misses a handful of games each season

476
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 6: the last few years.

477
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 2: Yep.

478
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 6: The difference to me is he's twenty five, not thirty two.

479
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: And he might want more than thirty, right, that's about.

480
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 6: What it's gonna cost, you think, So yeah, I mean

481
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 6: he might get I mean, he might get thirty two

482
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 6: or something like that, but he's not gonna get what

483
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 6: like Justin Jefferson got No, Well, that's thirty five, right,

484
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 6: I think, ish.

485
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was thirty five two years ago.

486
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 6: It was just what just happened.

487
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: Just last year. They just signed him for thirty justin Jefferson. Yeah,

488
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: signed before the season, right before the season. Okay, Yeah,

489
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 2: I just wonder if he's not at that Jamar Chase's

490
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: level of Cede Lambs level and just got the like

491
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: thirty five I think is the high end he Higgins

492
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: isn't that he's a notch below that. I agree with that.

493
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 6: But if he look, if he's looking for that, he's

494
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 6: not going to sign anywhere. Yeah, I don't.

495
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 2: Think, well, some team will do it.

496
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 7: I just wonder if that mentor, you know, I was

497
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 7: listening to Malik Neighbors talking about Darius Slayton who's a

498
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 7: free agent, and saying how big he was in his development.

499
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 7: The same thing as the professional in a room. And

500
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 7: if you're going to pay Darius Slayton twelve million dollars

501
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 7: to be the professional in the room and then you're

502
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 7: going to go out and spend some real money on

503
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 7: a receiver, I'd much rather do that than than trade

504
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 7: for for Cooper Cup and then you still got your

505
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 7: your mentor you know, you still got your your VET

506
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 7: in the room type of guy. I agree with that

507
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 7: point that their Vets in their room last year. We're

508
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 7: not Yeah, we're not Vets and they don't have enough

509
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 7: kJ Osborne.

510
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: It's Kendrick Bourne.

511
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I would I would just say that as

512
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 6: long as you're going to do what you are suggesting, Fred,

513
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 6: get some high end talent at the position. I'm interested

514
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 6: in in these kinds of players, but not if that's

515
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 6: kind of what you know.

516
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: I agree with that, we're on the same page that

517
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: like Cooper.

518
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,479
Speaker 6: Cup and I always have I think he's a good player.

519
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 6: I do think Evan's right. I think he's really really

520
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 6: approaching the end of the line. But I think there's

521
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 6: still some value there.

522
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl anybody watch.

523
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 4: I watched the Thursday night skills with my kids. Drake

524
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 4: unfortunately didn't do so hot on that or either. I

525
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 4: think you got twenty two points, but I tuned.

526
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: I tuned in for a little bit on Sunday, probably

527
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: more than I should of It's it probably did decent

528
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: ratings compared to what else was on TV, but it's

529
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: just not that compelling for me. I mean, particularly the

530
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: flag football. The flag football game stinks. It's three plays,

531
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: you're in the red zone and then can you get

532
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: it in it's it's it's not even a good flag football.

533
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 6: Did Connor play flag football grow up?

534
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: No? He did not. That's flag football, Yeah, no, it isn't.

535
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 5: I know.

536
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 6: They're trying to revolutionize sports. Yeah, like they you know,

537
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 6: they want high school sports now to be you know,

538
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 6: boys and girls flag football is. You know, I heard

539
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 6: the commissioner talk about it yesterday, jims them the ginger hammer.

540
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

541
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 6: You know, this is so exciting for us or we

542
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 6: have no I think Louisiana just you know past girls

543
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 6: flag football as a the Olympics and official high school sport.

544
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 6: He talked a lot about the Olympics. It's so exciting

545
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 6: that they're playing all these people playing our sports they're not.

546
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: It's not your sport. It's not football.

547
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 6: It's no different than like three on three basketball is basketball.

548
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 6: It's not the same sport. It's it's entirely different. And

549
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 6: my kids both played it. They loved it. It's just

550
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 6: not all that interesting.

551
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: It's not especially at this level when you see these

552
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: like amazing athletes, you know, playing flag football, it doesn't translate.

553
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: You know, the quarterbacks standing back there and you know,

554
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: he's got a time, he's got a clock by which

555
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: he has to throw it and like it's either completer

556
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: or it's not, and there's nothing else going on.

557
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 4: It's like it's like the review stuff. Like I just

558
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what the answer is with the Football

559
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 4: All Star Game weekend. I mean, all the events seem

560
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 4: kind of contrived and choppy. You know, nothing's like smooth.

561
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: And I mean the punting thing was kind of fun,

562
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: but you only have you only have two guys competing

563
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: on each roster, you know.

564
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 6: Just so you know, if they can't get Evan to

565
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 6: watch it, yeah, well.

566
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 7: The ball knower's put our noses up.

567
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: I was just trying to get my kids to watch,

568
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 4: like that's yeah, that's what part of the reason they

569
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: watched it Thursday night. I was just curious if it

570
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: appealed to them and all they both played flag football,

571
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: but even they were saying, like catch this was eh,

572
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 4: not so great.

573
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 7: No, there's just nothing compelling to me about All Star

574
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 7: games across the board.

575
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: And as soon as they announced that Vita Veo was

576
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: on the Nationals tugle war team, it's like it's over.

577
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: They won, and of course they didn't, like they won

578
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 2: two straight and it was over, like you're not gonna

579
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: beat him tugle war.

580
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know what the answer is. I mean,

581
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 6: and I know that for me, I would just say

582
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 6: stop doing it. But I know they'll never do that

583
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 6: because I look at it as an opportunity to make

584
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 6: some more money.

585
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: I think the players that are down there are actually

586
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: having a good time. I think they're enjoying themselves.

587
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 7: It's just maybe it's just nostalgia, but the old Quarterback Challenge,

588
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 7: and we have video of Brady doing it, I think

589
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 7: in like a one or two right after they won

590
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 7: thirty six, so too, I guess of him doing it,

591
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 7: and it's like, but that was the star power participating

592
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 7: in that was always it was always the best of

593
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 7: the best quarterbacks, like Brady Manning. Dan Marino famously did

594
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 7: one where he just is unbelievable in it. And like

595
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 7: now it's just, you know, no offense to our guy

596
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 7: or anybody else. But like, it's not Patrick Mahomes that's

597
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 7: doing the Quarterbacks Challenge, it's Jared Goff and Drake May

598
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 7: And you.

599
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: Know, we will be more intriguing if they played softball,

600
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: it really would. I know they can't play beach volleyball

601
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: because you know, Robert Edwards, you know, but like do

602
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: something where you can actually compete hard, you know, like

603
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: like softball. You know, I don't know.

604
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know what the answer is.

605
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 7: It Like the NBA has a big problem with their

606
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 7: All Star weekend.

607
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: Oh that's ridiculous.

608
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 7: The dunk contest is dead. No one wants to do it.

609
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 7: The only thing that really is is good, and that

610
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 7: is the three point contest because you're just shooting, so

611
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 7: everybody is kind of willing to do that.

612
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 6: I generally try to see that it's fantastic and that's it.

613
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

614
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: I think hockey else Star game is actually one that

615
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: works to me, Like.

616
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 6: Well, the game itself doesn't, but the skills, I think

617
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 6: hockey accuracy, yeah, the skill and like I I could

618
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 6: be talked into some of the skills stuff. I didn't

619
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 6: watch any of this with with football, but I think

620
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 6: that you could. You know, I assume that the quarterbacks

621
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 6: were thrown at targets of some sort. Yeah, yeah, I

622
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 6: mean I could probably if I was stumbling upon something.

623
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 4: That was the first part they did was the competition

624
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: where they had some stationary targets, then they had ones

625
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 4: way deep. I mean Jered goff was awesome. I mean

626
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 4: it was it was That was the only part to

627
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 4: me that was those I think.

628
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 6: It's amazing, Like when Fred and I were kids in

629
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 6: the seventies, like the Pro Bowl was an actual game.

630
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 6: I actually played it, and I just imagine, I can't imagine,

631
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 6: like why would you ever play that game for real?

632
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: But getting hurt right.

633
00:28:53,440 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 6: And Drew Brees got hurt in the prob I'm not

634
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 6: telling you no, I'm not telling you you're wrong. I

635
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 6: just don't recall anybody.

636
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: Except for Robert, except for Robert Edwards, the poor guy.

637
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 7: I feel like the skill competition right now is gimmicky

638
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 7: if they made it a little bit more legitimate like hockey,

639
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 7: like hockey is legitimate, translatable skill, hardest shot, fastest skater.

640
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 6: I went to the hockey skills competition back when the

641
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 6: Garden first opened, I want to say the late nineties.

642
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 6: It was. It was called the Fleet Center I think

643
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 6: at the time. But it was really a lot of

644
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 6: fun to watch, just the you know, the when they

645
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: when they're doing the like the the fastest skater, you

646
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 6: think they're gonna slam into the into the boards. They're

647
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 6: going so fast, you don't know how they could possibly

648
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 6: hold themselves up and make those turns and the agility

649
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 6: that they show, and like, like Mike said, the slap

650
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: shot Charra and the target you know Ray Borok used

651
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 6: to win the target thing, all, Yeah.

652
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: Of course they shot. He did, he did. I was right.

653
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: He located his right shoulder while you recover a fumble. No,

654
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: I well, just when the still Trapp doesn't called something

655
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: and you look at me with those wide eyes, I'm like,

656
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: oh God, I'm.

657
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: Trying to recover a fumble at the polo competitor.

658
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 6: I still don't have any recollection of that.

659
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: No, like his.

660
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 9: Oh, so, it.

661
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 6: Wasn't his rotator cuff. It wasn't the shoulder injury that

662
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 6: knocked him out of San Diego.

663
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 4: Now, it was a three hundred and sixty degree tear

664
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: of his labor I'm and a partial tear of his

665
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: rotator cuff. The injury threatened to end his NFL career.

666
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 7: Now, was that a Pro Bowl? Didn't realize that m.

667
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 6: Okay so seven would be the sixth season?

668
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, O six season?

669
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 6: So maybe he was that Maybe that was nothing. I

670
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 6: didn't realize that that was a Pro Bowl.

671
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember anyway, I remember the injury.

672
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 6: Now, I just had no recollection that I was at

673
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 6: a Pro Bowl.

674
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so so the Pro Bowl happened. Nobody's really

675
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: excited about that. So then we have the Super Bowl

676
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: coming up. We've got the Eagles chief. Wow, I'm excited

677
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: to watch.

678
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 6: I think now that I'll watch Freddy. I think it

679
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 6: could be much like everybody else in the country, even

680
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 6: though people say that they won't.

681
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: I think it will be a good game. I think

682
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: both teams, believe it or not. I think it could

683
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: be a low scoring game.

684
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 6: Actually define low scoring.

685
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: Well, tell me what the number is. I don't know

686
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: what the over under is, but it just tell me

687
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: what it could come under. It could come under.

688
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 6: I could see like high twenties to low twenties, something

689
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 6: like that.

690
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: In Kansas City.

691
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: Thirty eight forty eight eight pound the under pound the under.

692
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 6: I think that's a good number, like twenty seven to

693
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 6: twenty three, something along those those lines.

694
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 7: I wonder if it opens up in the fourth quarter,

695
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 7: because I can see generally what happens in.

696
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 9: The Super bowls.

697
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: Yes, he's get gassed.

698
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 6: Tom Brady's theory was always that the defenses get tired.

699
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 6: They do get tired and the offense has an advantage.

700
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: But you got to take Mahomes in that situation unfortunately.

701
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like I think that's happened in

702
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 6: almost all of Mahomes's super The offense doesn't look like

703
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 6: it's doing Any defense is tired.

704
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 4: It's not that good. I mean, all the defenses get tired.

705
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: All of Paul's shows now are doing the comparison between

706
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: the Patriots and and they're you know, they're trying to

707
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: bait Patriots fans, But I think it's a legitimate discussion.

708
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: And I heard them talking about Brady versus Mahomes. If

709
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: you had one game to win, who would you pick?

710
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 6: Brady?

711
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tom Brady just realistic.

712
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you another question, if you had

713
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: one play, who would you pick? What do I need

714
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: you need to it's a game on the line, but

715
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: play from where like you're in the red zone or

716
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: like within the ten yard line.

717
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 6: Brady, If it's like the twenty five and I need

718
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 6: someone to like just make a ridiculus athletic play, maybe

719
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 6: I'll go Mahomes there like that, But but like a

720
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 6: regular play that I can I need my guy to

721
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 6: decipher what the defense is doing and make the right

722
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 6: call and make the throw accurately on time.

723
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: Brady.

724
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: Ye see, I might pick Mahomes and Mahomes, and I

725
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: might pick my homes only because the way the league

726
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: is now, I want somebody, buddy who has that dual

727
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: threat with one play to go, like, no matter what happens,

728
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: he can maybe bail himself out, you know.

729
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 6: A good good counter.

730
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

731
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: I wonder how long do we have to do this?

732
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: Like is this is this forever?

733
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 6: Until then you can you can actively the ten years

734
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 6: like barroom debates, I'm not here.

735
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: No. The fact that I.

736
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: Still think that even if the Chiefs do the three

737
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: p right, I still think as of that time, the

738
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: Patriots dynasty will be better because of its duration. And

739
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: of course there will be Yeah, the Patriots have done

740
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: still had done nothing that the Chiefs did, even though

741
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: doing three in a row is something the Patriots hadn't done.

742
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 6: And the only thing that you would say is that

743
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 6: the Chiefs were if they were to win Sunday or

744
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 6: ahead of the pace, even lose, even losing their ahead.

745
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 2: Of the PA, they're ahead of the pace and that's great.

746
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 6: But the duration of the that's to me it's.

747
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: I would say the Patriots dynasty is a greater feat

748
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: than anything that the Chiefs can do up to this point.

749
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: But like you said, they're on pace to the pace.

750
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 6: They've been to more super Bowls and a less amount

751
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 6: of time.

752
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: They're on pace to do better, but they need to

753
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: do it for you another fifteen years.

754
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 4: Like anyway that twenty thirty four, Patrick Mahomes is back

755
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: in the super Bowl, Like this.

756
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 6: Is the argument that you fell into this, This is

757
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 6: kind of what started our freaking them.

758
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 4: And you might like about Josh mctanias. Again, I don't care.

759
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 6: There's nothing in the rules that says that Mahomes has

760
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 6: to take.

761
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: A ten gap.

762
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's what I would like if this is

763
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 6: important to you, and I'll come up front and it's

764
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: not overly important to me, because nothing that Kansas City

765
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 6: can do will tell me that what I saw the

766
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 6: Patriots do for twenty years didn't really happen. Much like

767
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 6: if I were a Steelers fan, nothing the Patriots did

768
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 6: changed anything that Pittsburgh did when winning four out of

769
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 6: six in the seventies. So I would just say that

770
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 6: that's what I would fear if I did care about it.

771
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 6: Is that Mahomes doesn't take a ten year gap and

772
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 6: he wins three more in that ten years, and all

773
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 6: of a sudden, he doesn't need to do it for

774
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 6: twenty years.

775
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: That's what's really interesting, Paul, the comparison of how close

776
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: Brady came a lot of times in those ten years,

777
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: or he lost a whole year to injury, you know,

778
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 4: like he the luck started.

779
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 6: To seven and eleven, they lost super Bowls.

780
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: You know, the luck started to change a little bit.

781
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: They stopped getting those bounces, they started having off playoff games.

782
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: You know, is that Kansas City's credit that hasn't.

783
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: Really happened to this one year he didn't play.

784
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, I know they got housed in

785
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. Maybe that's as you know, close as you

786
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: can get with you know, him going against Tampa. But

787
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 4: they're still right in the mix. And to do it.

788
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 4: You know, I know Brady had Manning and Philip you know,

789
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: there was some good talent in the AFC, but you know,

790
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 4: you're doing a time with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Guys

791
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 4: were very good.

792
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 6: It's really impressive.

793
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 4: You really have to.

794
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 6: I think it's more reminiscent of the first part, because

795
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 6: I thought it was a much more difficult.

796
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: Road double MVPs, like.

797
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 6: Four, they had a deal with Manning and Roethlisberger and

798
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 6: McNair and people forget that team all the time, and

799
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 6: how good that Tennessee team was defense, you know, and

800
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 6: then periodically as that went on, it was you know,

801
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 6: San Diego was a powerhouse in six, that fourteen and

802
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 6: two team that the Patriots beat in the division round

803
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 6: on the road. So I think this is comparable to that.

804
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 6: I think the second part of it, I mean kind

805
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 6: of feasting on kind of you know, how many how

806
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 6: many divisions around? The divisional round game from one to

807
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 6: seven was not a cupcake the way it turned into

808
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 6: from like thirteen, twelve, thirty. The Tim Tebow Broncos, right,

809
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 6: you know, the Marcus Mariota Titans, those teams were not

810
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 6: you know, the brock Oswiler Texans. Those teams couldn't beat

811
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 6: You couldn't beat anybody.

812
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: Even Jacksonville, who gave us a scare. That wasn't that

813
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: good a team.

814
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 6: Well that particular year, I thought they were pretty good.

815
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think the first part of the dynasty,

816
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 6: the road to get there, was much more difficult than

817
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 6: the second part. Oh yeah, but it's also a whole

818
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 6: different game too, Like just look at how offensive some

819
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 6: of those those games were as compared to early when

820
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 6: it was more defensive oriented. Yeah, that's the other thing too,

821
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 6: that the Patriots get to get credit for. They kind

822
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 6: of won in two different errors, almost two different styles.

823
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 6: You know. Can can Kansas City do that? Can they adjust?

824
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 6: My guess is yes, But like the did, I don't

825
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 6: have to think.

826
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs have adjusted a little bit even now.

827
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: I mean they are they invested more on defense than

828
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: they did offense, and you know, they're letting Mahomes cover

829
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: up the wards, much like the Patriots did with Brady,

830
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: you know. And then the other debate is Gronk versus Kelsey.

831
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: I think Gronk had the problem with injuries. I think

832
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: if he hadn't been injured so much, his numbers would

833
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: obviously be even even greater than they are.

834
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 6: It is scary how similar the numbers are.

835
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: In the playoffs. But Kelsey has better numbers in the pick,

836
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: doesn't he?

837
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in terms of like catches, but like

838
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 6: the record is almost the same in the same amount

839
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 6: of games. It's like seventeen and four and eighteen and

840
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 6: five or something like that.

841
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: And then the final comparison Andy Reid and Belichick.

842
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 6: You know, uh, you know, out of all of them,

843
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 6: I think that's the one if you were just died

844
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 6: in the wild Patriots guy, that's the one I would

845
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 6: feel the worst about. I think Reid's gonna pass him.

846
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: In terms of just strictly wins. Yeah, but what about

847
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: like who's the better coach?

848
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 6: What do you think think that that's the one that

849
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 6: you have to worry about the most.

850
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I always I love to I like to

851
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: throw the context in of as you said, Fred, the

852
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: league has evolved, and I think it's evolved towards Andy

853
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: Reid and offensive coach and you know, Bill really made

854
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: their great dynasty run. As Paul pointed out in that

855
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 4: first part of the two thousands, where it was about defense,

856
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 4: it was you know, he was the defensive genius. I mean,

857
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 4: Baryon's calling him a genius, you know, So I just

858
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: I think that that's a factor in the conversation. I

859
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: also would just throw out there the fact that I

860
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: don't think the league's gonna have a you know, unkind

861
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: word to say about Andy Reid at the end of this.

862
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 4: And I think there are a lot of people with

863
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 4: how it went with Bill here, with some of the

864
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 4: controversies that went down that that unfortunately shaded some of

865
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 4: his legacy a little bit. You know, It's just there's

866
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 4: no way around it. And Andy Reid, I know there

867
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: are some off the field issues for him as well,

868
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 4: but I just feel like everyone really pulls him up

869
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 4: on kind of a pal who.

870
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: Doesn't like Andy Reid?

871
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah? And I would also say, just just to

872
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 6: you know, in the comparison, I think Andy Reid has

873
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 6: some success that Belichick doesn't without the star.

874
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: Right right. I mean Donovan McNabb was a good quarterback,

875
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: but he wasn't stiff. Yeah, he stiff.

876
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 6: Stiff? Come on, how do you do without Andy Reid?

877
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

878
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 6: But he was terrible in Washington and Minnesota.

879
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 7: But he's terrible.

880
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: He was a decent quarterback. He wasn't a stiff. He

881
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Speaker 2: wasn't a stiff.

882
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Speaker 6: Agreed to disagree, but I think he was a stiff.

883
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: But but you can make the argument that Andy Reid

884
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 2: made him better.

885
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 6: Oh, I think that's inarguable.

886
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he did. Andy Reid had more non Chiefs

887
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 2: success than Belichick had, you know, not Tom Brady.

888
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 6: Belichick won one playoff game without breeding like Andy Reid

889
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 6: has like thirteen yeah, or eleven double digits whatever it is, yep,

890
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 6: without Mahomes. Yeah, Mahomes says.

891
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 4: How old is any read? Though? I mean how is he?

892
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 4: I mean, does he got twenty thirties in him?

893
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 6: Like he got another seven twenty thirties?

894
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: Like is he gonna you know, I'm saying if we're

895
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: talking about longevity, but he only needs.

896
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 6: Three more years to six He only needs three more

897
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 6: years to set the record.

898
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 7: Like twelve with the wins record.

899
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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh okay, I just I was just talking championships.

900
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 6: Is she gonna beat three and a half years? Maybe?

901
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: But he did. Reid did say he's not going to

902
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 2: be coaching in the seventies like Bill Belichick. I don't

903
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: believe he's heard that. I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding.

904
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Speaker 4: She's Phil's already got two munch drafts out whatever the

905
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: end of the season.

906
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: But no, but like, yeah, so he needs about three

907
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: years to catch Bill and you know, make the kiss.

908
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: He'll probably coach long point?

909
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 4: Could I mean? I like Bill burst joke when he

910
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 4: was a Brady Knights Andy reads too fat. That was

911
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: my one of my favorite line from Brady Knight.

912
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Speaker 7: One of your favorite lines.

913
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Speaker 2: Yes, good, laugh, good chuckle, all right? Eight five five

914
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Speaker 2: past five hundred. Is the TPX Outline podcast at Patriots

915
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Speaker 2: dot com. Is the email address? Anything else we want

916
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Speaker 2: to get on the table.

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00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 6: Before we setting the table there, Freddie touched on a

918
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Speaker 6: lot of topics.

919
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: We said a lot. Let's go to the listeners see

920
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: what they had to say. Christians in LA, what's up,

921
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: Christian Hey?

922
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 10: Because I knew you guys a couple of things. One

923
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 10: thing about the Andy Reid versus Bill that Effect debate

924
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 10: is one Andy Reid didn't stay with the Philadelphia Eagles

925
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 10: and remake them into a better team. He went to

926
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Speaker 10: another team that had Alex Smith, who kept them relevant

927
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 10: and was borderline a championship quarterback himself. So it wasn't

928
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 10: like Andy Reid lost his main you know, we lost

929
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 10: Brady and.

930
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 6: Then Andy Reid got fired in Philadelphia. It wasn't his

931
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 6: choice to leave, much like it wasn't Old Belichick's choice

932
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Speaker 6: to leave Cleveland or Patriots, ye right, or the Patriots.

933
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Speaker 11: We have to take the fact that Andy Reid went

934
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Speaker 11: to a different team that had relevant players and was

935
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Speaker 11: pretty you know, pretty much a season team.

936
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Speaker 10: It wasn't like going back to starting from zero like Bill.

937
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 7: Had given a lot of credit hold Police, Okay, it's

938
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 7: given a little bit of a lot of credit to

939
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Speaker 7: Alex Smith. There.

940
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Speaker 6: Christian Kansas City sucked the year before Andy Reid got there.

941
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Speaker 6: I believe they were two and fourteen. I believe that

942
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 6: was the team he inherited. But I'm going to look

943
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 6: it up because I don't want to Okay, I don't

944
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 6: want to misspeak if I'm wrong.

945
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Speaker 11: Second thing, I've been reading a lot and a lot

946
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 11: of school of thought are saying this, and I just

947
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Speaker 11: want to see what you guys think of it.

948
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Speaker 10: We pick up Travis.

949
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Speaker 11: Hunter repair with Christian Gonzalees. That then has an effect

950
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 11: of having other teams have to hold the ball longer,

951
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 11: which then helps our past rush get to them, which

952
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 11: then gives us more of essions on offense, which didn't

953
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 11: help our offense offensive offensive line. The one player, So

954
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Speaker 11: it has a domino effect, Right, you put this great

955
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 11: guy on defense, you pairing with another great cornerback, and

956
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 11: that really does have an effect on.

957
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Speaker 10: How the rest of the game flow. Well, sure, you

958
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 10: guys agree with that.

959
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, any great player is going to have

960
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: a domino effect on everything. Yep, you know so.

961
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 5: And I was right.

962
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 6: The Chiefs were two and fourteen the year before we

963
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Speaker 6: got there.

964
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: But thanks for the call, Christian.

965
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can make that argument. A great pass rusher,

966
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Speaker 7: it's going to make it easier on the secondary. He's

967
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Speaker 7: going to get home, you know so.

968
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Speaker 2: Now, speaking of speaking of Travis Huster Hunter, Phil Perry

969
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: from NBC Sports Boston came out with his mock draft

970
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Speaker 2: yesterday and he had two point zero and he had

971
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Speaker 2: the two quarterbacks going two and three, which not Travis

972
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Speaker 2: Hunter down to number four.

973
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Speaker 6: So I wanted to get to that in Evans's Senior

974
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Speaker 6: Bowl stuff because that's really the quarterback stuff to me,

975
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: is most relevant for the Patriots. Yeah, and just your fear.

976
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 6: I don't know if you talk to anybody. I know

977
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 6: you talked to vrabel Wolf in Cowed, and I don't

978
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 6: know if you in your conversations, did you get a

979
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 6: feel as to the level of confidence from anybody that

980
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 6: any of those quarterbacks will go in the top three.

981
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 6: I would yeah, I would.

982
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Speaker 7: Say cam Ward has maybe a little bit more love

983
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 7: than we initially thought, or that it was initially out there.

984
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of people that are pretty

985
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 7: high on on cam Ward being not in the Kaleb

986
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 7: of Jaden Daniels, Drake May category, but in the first

987
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 7: round talent category at quarterback, and then Shador. My takeaway

988
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 7: with Shador is that it's a lot of it is

989
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 7: also about branding, right, Like, if you're the New York

990
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 7: Giants and you really want to make a splash, and

991
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 7: you really want to bring a name brand and the

992
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 7: whole Sanders thing to New York, then it can be appealing.

993
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 7: I don't think that he personally would go if his

994
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 7: last name was Smith instead of Sanders. I'm not sure

995
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 7: he's in this conversation, but you know, I would say

996
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 7: that Sanders is being more compared to like the Bonixes

997
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 7: of the world, like mid first round talent. Cam Ward

998
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 7: is a little bit more toolsy with a little bit

999
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 7: more upside. So maybe there's a little bit more.

1000
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: But if you're a Patriots Travis Hunter Dreamer, yeah, both

1001
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: of those guys have to go through two or three

1002
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 2: in order for you to have a shot at Travis

1003
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: Hunter presumably.

1004
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's it's really early, but

1005
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 7: I would say it's not totally out of the realm

1006
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 7: of possibility that that could happen. The Titans at one

1007
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 7: are interesting because they said, oh, we're not going to

1008
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Speaker 7: pass on a generational talent, but like that's vague, Like

1009
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 7: what's a generational talent?

1010
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: Whoever?

1011
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 6: We pick week D right, And I don't think there's

1012
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 6: a generational talent.

1013
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 7: Right, So if you deem it that there isn't, then

1014
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 7: like they might just default to the best quarterback, which

1015
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 7: would be probably cam Ward, So there could be a

1016
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Speaker 7: quarterback still that goes first.

1017
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: A lot of people are assuming that's a dual.

1018
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 7: Carter, Yeah, I mean, I don't know if he's generational though,

1019
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 7: like you know, I think that's that's I would say

1020
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 7: that just by definition, Travis Hunter is more generational than

1021
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 7: Abdul Carter is because we've never seen somebody in like

1022
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 7: fifty sixty years played both sides of the ball at

1023
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 7: that level that he did last year for Colorado. We've

1024
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 7: seen pass rushers like you know, Abdul Carter is, Michael Parsons, like,

1025
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 7: we've seen guys like that.

1026
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: Let's go to Patty and agawam. What's up Patty? Everyone?

1027
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 8: Hey, Hey, I got a few things. First off, Fritt,

1028
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 8: can I can I tip pick to you again this.

1029
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: Year in the draft in the first round? Kenny?

1030
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 6: What can you?

1031
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 8: What can you in the first round?

1032
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: Tip pick tip? Yeah? I don't care. I don't know.

1033
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: I hate that. I would rather have it whenever, you know,

1034
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: But I get it. Everyone finds out the pick like

1035
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: five minutes before it's announced on TV.

1036
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 8: So the other thing is just regarding the Super Bowl.

1037
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 8: I don't have a problem with the Chiefs one, and

1038
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 8: I guess some of an anomaly amongst the Patriots fans

1039
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 8: like I I enjoyed watching greatness and I think Brett

1040
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 8: you said last week, like player two to fifty three,

1041
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 8: the Eagles are probably the better team, but the big

1042
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 8: Darrie hole is the number one guy in the roster

1043
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 8: and the head coach matchups.

1044
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 10: So I don't care. Like I hate, I hate the Eagles.

1045
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 10: I hate Eagles fans.

1046
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 8: I hope they lose, But to me, I just I

1047
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 8: don't know.

1048
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 12: Man.

1049
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 8: I can see them sort of dominating the defensive line

1050
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 8: of scrimmage with Joe Toney having to play left tackles,

1051
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 8: and they line Carter up over that left guard. It

1052
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 8: might be a long day for them.

1053
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think I think that defensive

1054
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: line for the Eagles could be a difference maker.

1055
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 7: On both sides. I think their offensive line, Yeah, they

1056
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 7: could easily win this game in the trenches.

1057
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, that's all I got, all right, Patty.

1058
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 6: You know, he described himself as maybe an anomaly and

1059
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 6: Pagriots fans. Based on my very unscientific research, I would

1060
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 6: agree most Pages fans are strongly rooting for the Eagles.

1061
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: I am too, but just you know, obviously so they

1062
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: don't have the three P Yeah.

1063
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost want to this clean game without any

1064
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 4: stupid referee controversy more than I want to win.

1065
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 6: I just don't want just here for the comp your guy,

1066
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 6: the sanctity of the.

1067
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: Your guy saying refereeing may not have ever been better.

1068
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 2: He thinks it's fine.

1069
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 6: The ginger hammer just a no, no, not.

1070
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: The ginger hammer.

1071
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 6: Oh he's out of his mind.

1072
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: Oh whoa.

1073
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 6: That's like that argument that he did yesterday, you know,

1074
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 6: backing up what Goodell said, Yeah, is insane, inscrually insane.

1075
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 6: If you watch these games and you think the officiating

1076
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 6: has never been better now. You want to tell me

1077
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 6: it's the reaction is way over the top because of

1078
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 6: how the quality of camera work and the HD and

1079
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 6: all this stuff that we didn't have access to, you know,

1080
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 6: thirty years ago. Right, that's fine that I'll listen to.

1081
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 6: But don't tell me that the quality of the officiating

1082
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 6: is better now. The job is infinitely harder because everything

1083
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 6: is so much fatter.

1084
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: That's kind of his point.

1085
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 6: But don't but don't tell me it's better. Yeah, it's

1086
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 6: not better. These guys are ill equipped to keep up

1087
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 6: for the most part. It can't even spot the ball.

1088
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think spotting the ball should be

1089
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 6: anywhere near as hard as it is. And I'll tell

1090
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 6: you I could legitimately have a gripe with about seventy

1091
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 6: to eighty percent of the plays where they put the ball.

1092
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: See, I think spotting the ball is hard. I don't

1093
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: because you have to have two things in mind when

1094
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: you're doing it. Where is he down? And where's the

1095
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: ball when he was down? And so you have to

1096
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: be looking at like the whole body, almost have to

1097
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Speaker 2: be have your eyes in two different places at the

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Speaker 2: same time. Where's the ball and where what's the first

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Speaker 2: thing that touches the ground.

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Speaker 6: I didn't say it was an easy job. I think

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Speaker 6: it's in general, like officiating. I don't think it's an

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Speaker 6: easy job. But I just because it's hard doesn't mean

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Speaker 6: I tell you it's better than ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think that's kind of a silly take. But it's

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Speaker 6: just when you're dug in and you think they shouldn't

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Speaker 6: call a blatant face mask penalty because it's bailing out

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Speaker 6: the other team, which is his take, because it's a

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Speaker 6: bailout call, Like you don't want to see games that

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Speaker 6: games aren't decided on the bailout, right, the situation team

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Speaker 6: decided to bail the other out by committing a penalty

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Speaker 6: like that should be called.

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Speaker 2: If you see a penalty, you should call it.

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Speaker 6: Especially if it's blatant like that you want to tell me,

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Speaker 6: like the illegal contact on the near sideline when the

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Speaker 6: ball goes to the far sideline, that is maybe something

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Speaker 6: you can convince me of. When the quarterback who has

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Speaker 6: the ball in his hands is in the pocket and

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Speaker 6: gets ripped down by his face mask and his head

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Speaker 6: turns around the other way, that's a penalty that probably

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00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 6: should be called. Yep, ye, you know that happened in

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Speaker 6: the Rams Vikings game in the regular season. I wanted

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Speaker 6: the Rams to win. You guys know, I like the Rams.

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Speaker 6: I like Matthew Stafford. I'm rooting for the Rams. I

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Speaker 6: have nothing to try to defend Minnesota about. They probably

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Speaker 6: were going to lose the game anyway. But that's a penalty, yep, right,

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Speaker 6: Instead they give it. Not only they they didn't call it.

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Speaker 6: They ended up with a safety. Hey, I'm sorry that

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Speaker 6: didn't happen thirty years ago.

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Speaker 13: Pats from the Past podcast, Mat Smith Paul Prillo joined

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Speaker 13: by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number one

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Speaker 13: in our hearts at least. Rodney Harrison, How Rod How

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00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 13: you doing.

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Speaker 2: Man man?

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Speaker 9: I am doing great.

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Speaker 14: Good to be home, Good to see you guys, and

1158
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 14: looking for a great Patriots game tonight.

1159
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Speaker 13: How's it going with NBC?

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00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 9: Roddy, you still love it? I do. I'm very passionate

1161
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 9: about it.

1162
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Speaker 14: I spent twelve years in the studio and then the

1163
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 14: last three years I've been out at the field location

1164
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Speaker 14: and was just really extremely excited for Devin mccordy getting

1165
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 14: an opportunity that he got. NBC likes Patriot guys, and

1166
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 14: he's smart and he's doing a wonderful job.

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00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 9: Really proud of him.

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Speaker 13: Before we started here, I was actually thinking about this.

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Speaker 13: Here comes Rodney Harrison driving into Patriot Place, a drive

1170
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 13: that you are familiar with for many, many times, but

1171
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 13: you're in a different partner of your life I am.

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Speaker 13: When you're driving in here, Rodney, what goes through your mind?

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Speaker 14: Just so many great memories, Just the opportunity to be

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Speaker 14: able to come out here and play, and Coach Bill

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00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 14: and Robert Kraft giving me the opportunity to come out

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Speaker 14: here and really just be part of something special, and

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Speaker 14: all the great players that I played with. But also,

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Speaker 14: you know, just riding over here with Tony Dundee. It

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Speaker 14: brought up some great memories of us just kicking the

1180
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Speaker 14: coach butt and just bonding together as a team, and

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Speaker 14: just all those hard practices in the rain, in the snow,

1182
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Speaker 14: and just it gave me a greater appreciation for everything

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Speaker 14: that we've accomplished, because it's very difficult to do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were joking around just before we started.

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Speaker 6: My guess is that Tony's memories quite as warman fuzzy

1186
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 6: as yours. You know, for a September, it couldn't be

1187
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 6: a more perfect night. He was probably wondering why it's

1188
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 6: not snowing as he was as he was driving in.

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Speaker 14: But I'll tell you this man, just talking to coach,

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Speaker 14: he has a lot of respect for the Patriots organization,

1191
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 14: Coach Bill and everything that we've accomplished. And I mean

1192
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Speaker 14: those battles were epic. You know, you're talking about going

1193
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Speaker 14: against Dungee and how well prepared he had his team,

1194
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 14: Peyton Manning, all the great players that they had. I mean,

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Speaker 14: I can't believe I'm fifty years old when I want brother,

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Speaker 14: I was, you know, twenty nine years old and now

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Speaker 14: I'm fifty. And just like you talked about different part

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Speaker 14: with kids, I got a sun that plays for the

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Speaker 14: University of Tennessee who got their butts kicked yesterday. But

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Speaker 14: it's just really nice to be back, and it's nice

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Speaker 14: to see you guys still, you know, talking football.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate that.

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Speaker 13: Appreciate that. So I'm gonna put you on the spot

1204
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Speaker 13: a little bit here as you're waxing nostalgia. And it's

1205
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Speaker 13: amazing what life. You know, it's amazing what life is.

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Speaker 13: But who would have ever thought fifteen years ago that

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Speaker 13: you and Tony Dungee would be together on a broadcast

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Speaker 13: and doing that that's a small world, but your lives

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Speaker 13: interestect like that. Do you have a favorite memory here

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Speaker 13: at this stadium? Obviously you want a Super in Houston,

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Speaker 13: you won a Super Bowl in Jacksonville, and those are

1212
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Speaker 13: things that I got a believer at the pinnacle of

1213
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Speaker 13: your professional football career here at you Let Rodney, is

1214
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Speaker 13: there something special that you remember that that takes a

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Speaker 13: cake of the ultimate memory that you might have.

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Speaker 14: I think just I don't know, I don't remember the

1217
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Speaker 14: exact game, but just when Coach Belichick, I think it

1218
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Speaker 14: was when it was an AFC championship game, when he

1219
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 14: gave me a big hug and said, I'm glad we

1220
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Speaker 14: got you here. That was a very special moment because

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Speaker 14: all I ever wanted to do was make him proud

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Speaker 14: of me and let him know that the decision that

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Speaker 14: he you know, that he made bringing me here, that

1224
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Speaker 14: that wasn't a bad decision, and he gave me an

1225
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Speaker 14: opportunity when so many around the league kind of frowned

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Speaker 14: upon Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 9: He believed in me.

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Speaker 14: He gave me a bunch of freedom where I can

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Speaker 14: go out there and just play and express myself. And

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Speaker 14: I just couldn't love a coach more than I got

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Speaker 14: love for Coach Belichick.

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Speaker 6: You talk about that freedom that he gave you, and

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Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you about and was one of

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Speaker 6: the two playoff games. I'm not sure if it was

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Speaker 6: three or oh four, but when you and Ty sort of.

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Speaker 5: It must have been all three, because I don't think

1237
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 5: he had three picks.

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00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you guys kind of swapped like you were

1239
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 6: kind of up in like the corner spot, like popping

1240
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 6: guys and loud tie to you know, just that kind

1241
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 6: of freedom. Was that something that you guys had spoken

1242
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Speaker 6: about before.

1243
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Speaker 14: And He's he never really questioned. He said, hey, you

1244
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 14: guys kind of do what you want to do as

1245
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 14: long as you're in a proper spot and you guys communicate,

1246
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 14: and and that's the type of freedom that he allows

1247
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 14: veteran players, guys that he trusts. We put so much

1248
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 14: hard work and effort in and preparations, so when we

1249
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 14: did something like that, I know he's on the sideline panicking,

1250
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 14: But you know, Ty Law and I I mean to

1251
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 14: be able to play with a guy like Ty, a

1252
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Speaker 14: Hall of famer, you know, and Richard Seymour and Vince

1253
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 14: will Fork and those guys, I mean, I had some

1254
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Speaker 14: special players out in San Diego. But to be able

1255
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 14: to play with some Hall of famers and some guys

1256
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 14: like Willie McGinn as, Kevin Falk, Troy Brown, I mean,

1257
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 14: these guys are legends. These guys are not only are

1258
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 14: they brilliant football players, they're very smart people. And to

1259
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 14: be able to have that opportunity was just really a blessing.

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Speaker 5: And don't tell yourself short.

1261
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 6: You had the probably the biggest pick of that game

1262
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 6: when they went right down the field the first drive.

1263
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 6: You had the interception in the end zone. Right not

1264
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 6: how that all started, Well, stepped in front of poll.

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Speaker 14: We all try to we all try to set the

1266
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 14: tone and it's not about one player.

1267
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 9: It's about the team. And you know, I can't.

1268
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 5: You don't know, you do.

1269
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 9: I gotta mention my boy Tom Brady.

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Speaker 14: You know, just seeing Tom get the love that he

1271
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 14: got last week coming back to the stadium and just

1272
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 14: seeing how old of a man he was.

1273
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 9: You see how tired that dude was.

1274
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 14: He was tired breathing about TV twelve four.

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Speaker 13: Now look at Ruddy, I mean, you're you've got a

1276
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 13: job that takes you to where were you last Sunday.

1277
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 13: You're in New York right for the Giants Dallas game

1278
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 13: Kansas City before that. Yeah, and I don't know if

1279
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 13: you saw this. Did you see the guys on the

1280
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 13: sideline that were there. You mentioned Kevin Falk earlier, Kevin

1281
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 13: Fox in the front where all the former players were,

1282
00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 13: and he's chanting Brady Brady Bread. There's Dan, you know,

1283
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 13: Kevin Fark, Drrell Reeves came back for the game. To

1284
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 13: see that kind of close knit people, Rush Hochstein, you know,

1285
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 13: Dan Copen. Almost of those guys coming back to just

1286
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 13: want to appreciate Tom. That made somebody who's been here

1287
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 13: for a long time. Made me feel good because that

1288
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 13: means it's important to these people to be there.

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00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 14: And it also shows you how much of an impact

1290
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 14: Tom has had, not only just on the guys that

1291
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 14: he works with, you know, as far as the offense,

1292
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 14: but everybody. I mean, Tom has made such an impact.

1293
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 14: When I came here, we used to have lunch together.

1294
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 14: We used to sit down and have conversations and just

1295
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 14: talk about life, talk about perspective. And I just see,

1296
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 14: you know, Tom, twenty years later, he's you can see

1297
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 14: his personality. You see him smiling laughing and being the

1298
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 14: genuine funny guy that we saw everybody else. Man, is

1299
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 14: this guy a robot? Does he ever smile? Does he

1300
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 14: have any emotion? But now since he's retired, he could

1301
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 14: take a deep breath. He's gone through a lot and

1302
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 14: now you know he's just living his best life.

1303
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 6: What has it been like? And now great moments in.

1304
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 4: History.

1305
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Speaker 2: Here are my reasons why I think Mike Rousseau is

1306
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: not an American but a sneaky Canadian. His Mike, his

1307
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: name Mike or Michelle in Francais, Dusseau is the most

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Speaker 2: Canadian name ever, right up there with Mario Lemieux and

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Speaker 2: Guy la Fleur. He played hockey at a high level.

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01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: He excels at and loves the number one Canadian sport.

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: Most importantly, he is sneaky. He is not in your

1312
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: face with dripping sarcasm and smart, smart alec comments. Rather,

1313
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: he comes at it Canadian style. He makes everyone think

1314
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: he is likable and engage in, cooperative and nice and compliant,

1315
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: but in reality he is very much as snark as Paul,

1316
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: maybe more. He gives his little jabs under his breath,

1317
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: so you hear him barely, hear him like a sarcastic

1318
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: fourteen year old getting in the last word. Last week

1319
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: in your discussions about Fred's forthcoming cosmetic surgeries, the talk

1320
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: was on the freezing of fat and cool sculpting. Paul

1321
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 2: pipes in and said it would never work for me,

1322
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: and our sneaky Canadian slips in there is not enough ice.

1323
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: So three cheers for our honorary sneaky Canadian Mike the

1324
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 2: Stark from the Great White North.

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: That. That rejoint tickled Mike yourself pretty good, like a joke.

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Speaker 4: I remember that one, Paul, Sorry about that.

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01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 6: I don't I don't remember that joke, and I don't

1329
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 6: remember you having cosmetic procedures.

1330
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,479
Speaker 2: No, I don't remember that either. What was I talking about?

1331
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: I don't know you're talking about cool sculpting? Oh right, right,

1332
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: but I didn't have it.

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 4: No.

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01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good, good rocket shot you're tooking me.

1335
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 6: But I don't remember you saying it, and I don't.

1336
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: Remember that anything.

1337
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 4: It was a spot on takedown of me, though, I

1338
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 4: mean credit whoever brought that in. That was great.

1339
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 6: Sneaky Deuce.

1340
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: Uh podcasts at Patriots dot Com is the way you

1341
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: email US. And by the way, if you want to

1342
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: get the PU newsletter, which is a lot of fun

1343
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,040
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1344
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com slash PU Newsletter and sign up for

1345
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: the newsletter. It goes out every Friday. Okay, so that's that's.

1346
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 7: Oh you mean when you went for fifty six?

1347
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 6: I'm still arguing, might you might be able to say

1348
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 6: they want a Game seven on the road?

1349
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Speaker 9: Right?

1350
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: They won Game six in Milwaukee, having a Celtics argument

1351
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: on that, and then they weren't underdogs. Paul doesn't like

1352
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 2: the Celtics and Evan does, Oh that's not true. No,

1353
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: that's you like the Celtics. Jake and Chicago.

1354
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 6: What I don't get difference?

1355
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: Jake in Chicago writes in I'm fully on Friends Give

1356
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: thanks to Matty p Train. Highly recommend listening to him

1357
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: on Julian's podcast recently. Lots of insight and behind the

1358
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: scenes talk. Just a smart guy who loves football. The

1359
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: OC thing might have been an experiment gone bad, but

1360
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: listening to him talkball and his understanding of how Bill operates,

1361
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: you start to get the method to the madness and ps.

1362
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 2: If Paul could get through the email read without a

1363
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: snarky comment. I'll donate to his Toyota cam Re fund

1364
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: or buy lunch for the crew his choice.

1365
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 4: Thank you think he did it?

1366
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 7: No, it was fantastic.

1367
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 6: He obviously knows me well, because you know what. The

1368
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 6: first thing in my mind was, I don't have a

1369
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 6: spare day to listen to it.

1370
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: It was like three fars.

1371
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 4: Evan and I both managed to chip away at it.

1372
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 4: But no, it was it was.

1373
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 5: It was really good.

1374
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 7: I listened to it on the on the plane ride

1375
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 7: home the other day and it was really good.

1376
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: It was good. It was really good.

1377
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 7: Anything you learn, I wouldn't say it was like groundbreaking

1378
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 7: in terms of that kind of stuff, but it was

1379
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 7: just cool. Behind the scenes stories were really cool. And

1380
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 7: there's a lot of cutups of it on Twitter too

1381
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 7: as well if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

1382
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 7: But I think the number one thing that you do

1383
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 7: learn is like he's kind of a cool guy, Like

1384
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 7: you know, he's he's pretty fun, like you could tell

1385
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 7: why people would, you know, like Bill would would enjoy

1386
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 7: being around him and kind of a cool hand. Yeah, guy,

1387
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 7: I didn't have an.

1388
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 2: It's no doubt he's smart.

1389
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, he knows Paul I thought his Uh, the coolest

1390
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 7: part I would say was the him talking about his

1391
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 7: play calling process on defense, on defense and just like

1392
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 7: kind of how situation, game plan, opponent, like all that

1393
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 7: stuff goes in and how he would sort of go

1394
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 7: about it. And he mentioned who's the cornerbacks coach? He

1395
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 7: mentioned Josh Boyer was Yeah. He said that he was

1396
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 7: his eye in the sky up in the in the

1397
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 7: booth and was the best, added as anyone that he

1398
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 7: had ever worked with that identifying the personnel for the opponent.

1399
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 7: So he would call down from you know, they're an

1400
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 7: eleven personnel, here's the five you know, skilled players, and

1401
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 7: then Maddy p would make a call based off of

1402
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 7: what grouping and all that kind of stuff that they

1403
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 7: were in. And he said he was the best that

1404
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 7: he's ever had.

1405
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: Interest.

1406
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 6: But I know you're getting the emails. Just wanted to

1407
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 6: add a couple of things that I don't think we

1408
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 6: touched on this week. You know, some more news in

1409
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 6: terms of the coaching staff. Oh yeah, Hot Downing reportedly

1410
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 6: will be the wide receivers coach. Another guy with ties

1411
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 6: to Rabel was eventually Vrabel's last offensive coordinator. I think

1412
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 6: in Tennessee.

1413
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,439
Speaker 2: Seems to be a very intense guy.

1414
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, he had some issues, I know, and he also

1415
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 6: I think was passing game coordinator maybe with the Jets

1416
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 6: at some point. So reportedly he will be the wide

1417
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 6: receivers coach. And I don't know if we talked last

1418
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 6: week about Ben mcadoo's staying.

1419
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: I heard him all of this.

1420
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 6: You know, all of the other than the coordinators themselves,

1421
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 6: the three Cord Greg Bard, friend of the show, Greg

1422
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 6: Bdard had a little chart with all the coaching staff

1423
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 6: in it, defensive assistant for Ben McAdoo, which I thought

1424
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 6: was interesting, senior defensive assistant or something like that.

1425
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 2: Chris Sims was on with uh I think Phil Perry

1426
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 2: from the Super Bowl and no, it was with Tom

1427
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: Curry and Chris Sims. He's the one came out before

1428
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: the draft and said that Drake May is a coach

1429
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: killer is is that he the one that knows? But

1430
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: he had a really good he was down May. So

1431
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: he came in and did a Maya culpa and said,

1432
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: lookten I was wrong all these things that I saw,

1433
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 2: you know, the feet were footwork, the accuracy, it all

1434
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: got corrected, So I was wrong. But if that's true

1435
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: that his initial analysis was accurate but it got corrected.

1436
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: Who gets the credit for that? And is that why

1437
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: maybe they kept Ben McAdoo because maybe he was involved.

1438
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 6: I would say, Drake May, but that's me.

1439
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 2: Somebody was helping him.

1440
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 4: I mean, now it's vam Pelt, I would say. I mean,

1441
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 4: if they moved McAdoo to the defensive side of the ballet,

1442
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 4: didn't I mean, if they kicked him as like the

1443
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 4: quarterbacks coach. Maybe, But it.

1444
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 7: Sounds like what Ben mcadoo's gonna do what Rabel did

1445
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 7: last year in Cleveland, which is like reverse engineer things

1446
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 7: for the defense, Like if I was game planning against

1447
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 7: our defense, this is what I would do offensively, and

1448
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 7: then that way there he can help the defense, the

1449
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 7: scout team, that kind of stuff set them up for

1450
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 7: success that way. But I do wonder what the footwork

1451
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 7: stuff like, you know, I don't know what Josh's philosophies

1452
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 7: are on like left foot forward, which was a big

1453
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 7: Alex van Pelt West Coast thing. If Drake May says

1454
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 7: to him, I feel really comfortable with it. This way,

1455
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 7: the way that they taught me last year, it was

1456
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 7: better for me. It worked like, do they then adjust

1457
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 7: and change everything to mimic left foot forward and be

1458
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 7: able to still do that kind of thing. I'm sure

1459
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 7: Ben mcadou could help them with that process as well

1460
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 7: of streamlining just the two offenses and kind of getting

1461
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 7: them on the same page. Schramatically.

1462
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was thinking, who had one of the questions

1463
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 6: in the mailbag this week was about the footwork and

1464
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 6: any concerns that you know, losing Alex van Peltz. You know,

1465
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 6: maybe he deserves some of the credit to answer your

1466
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 6: original question for Drake May. And one of the things

1467
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 6: you talked about was the left foot forward thing, and

1468
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 6: I do think that's relevant the whole however they want

1469
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 6: to I personally think of footwork with Drake May. I

1470
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 6: don't think Chris Simms was talking about how he lines

1471
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 6: up to take the snap out of the shotgwn with

1472
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 6: what foot forward? Now, I think he's talking about his

1473
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 6: throwing mechanics and how where his feet are when he's throwing,

1474
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 6: when he's on and off platform, when he's leaving the part.

1475
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 6: I think that's the kind of footwork that I saw

1476
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 6: a lot of. Now, I'm not dismissing what Evan's talking about.

1477
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:25,440
Speaker 6: There's something too that left foot forward that has importance.

1478
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 6: I just would think that once you do it, you

1479
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 6: have that like how you're going to align is sort

1480
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 6: of how you're going to align. But I do think

1481
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 6: your mechanics can get sloppy when you're not necessarily drilling

1482
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 6: your footwork all the time. I do think there's a

1483
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 6: minor concern that if he's not, you know, treated with

1484
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 6: the same amount of level of detail. I don't really

1485
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 6: worry about that with Josh McDaniels because I think he'll

1486
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 6: have that. Yeah, I think, you know, I think Josh

1487
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 6: has shown his ability to to you know, mine the derd.

1488
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1489
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 6: Well, he's been a quarterback guy. Ye, Like, he's really

1490
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 6: been the quarterback coach while being the offensive coordinator. He's

1491
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 6: always had an assistant, you know, like the Chaplinsky's of

1492
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 6: the world and the Bowheart degrees. But he's been the

1493
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 6: quarterback coach really since he's been the offensive coordinator.

1494
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 2: Christ in New Hampshire, I've never been more certain of

1495
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 2: anything in my life. The Chiefs are going to win

1496
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: the fixes in or the football gods have decided, or

1497
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: whatever cliche you prefer. I bet my entire savings, my cars,

1498
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: my house, and my children, but my wife won't let me.

1499
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: So he is convinced that the fix is in. The

1500
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: Chiefs will win.

1501
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 4: I hope not.

1502
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean, the Chiefs may win, but just because they're better.

1503
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 6: I just think it's the way people have sort of

1504
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 6: tried it. Well, they're not really very good. It's just fixed,

1505
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 6: like that's how you're making yourself feel better.

1506
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: Sam from Saint Catharine's what allows me to sleep soundly

1507
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 2: at night with all these Chiefs for his Patriots debates

1508
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: is a simple fact that when the lights were brightest

1509
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 2: in championship games and Super Bowl, Brady to and over, Mahomes,

1510
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: Gronk too and over, as Kelsey and Belichick two and

1511
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: over as Andy Reid, and those numbers will never change.

1512
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,480
Speaker 4: In fact, yep, let's Bill gets back in the league.

1513
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 2: True, but those are facts.

1514
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 6: Yep, that happened.

1515
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: Let's see Tanaka writ sin last week, there was a

1516
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 2: discussion about the chip and the ball and using it

1517
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: to determined ball placements and first downs. The issues you

1518
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 2: discussed was questioning if the it could be seen by

1519
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: RF lasers or other means. As a rocket scientist, really so,

1520
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: this person truly is a rocket scientist, You are looking

1521
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: at it all wrong. The chip in the ball needs

1522
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 2: to contain inertial sensors similar to ones than iPhones and

1523
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: other common devices, only a bit more accurate like the

1524
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 2: ones in rockets, which provide telemetry data. The ball would

1525
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: be able to determine from original placement on the down

1526
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: which direction moved and by how much and when it

1527
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 2: was at that position. It is accomplished via multidirectional AC accelerometers.

1528
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 2: The ball simply transmits this information via a Bluetooth type signal.

1529
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: This would eliminate all of the issues with not being

1530
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: able to see the ball and know where the placement

1531
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,839
Speaker 2: should be. These chips are quite small, and newer versions

1532
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: can withstand one thousand G forces. I'm sure that this

1533
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: has already been looked at by the League. If not,

1534
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 2: this rocket Scientist is very disappointed in their technical staff.

1535
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 6: I don't think it's a technology.

1536
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: Problem, it's a money problem. But but chips on their

1537
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: own do they have their own power?

1538
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 6: How do you know when the knees down?

1539
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think that's right. So I was listening

1540
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 7: to a podcast chips, Yeah, right, I have chips in

1541
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 7: the knee, right, right, But I was listening to a

1542
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 7: podcast where I don't think it's I think that they

1543
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 7: figured that piece of it out. They had these balls

1544
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 7: in the one of the spring leaks, I can't remember

1545
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 7: which one, but they are it as a exploratory thing.

1546
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 6: Well, there's a chip in the NFL ball.

1547
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 7: So the problem is is that and I think this

1548
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 7: is what the emailer is getting at. The whole ball

1549
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 7: needs to be covered in the chips. So one of

1550
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 7: those footballs is five hundred dollars for one of the footballs.

1551
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 7: So now when you think about, you know, across the

1552
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 7: league all season long, how many football is the NFL

1553
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 7: goes through And at the end of the day, we're

1554
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 7: talking about maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars spent every

1555
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 7: single year. And I know everybody says, oh, it's a

1556
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 7: ten billion dollar industry. Who the heck cares these people care?

1557
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 7: These greedy people.

1558
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 6: I don't doubt at all. Like the technology exists, yeah,

1559
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 6: I just don't know how it works, like in terms,

1560
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,440
Speaker 6: not the technology like in practice.

1561
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 2: But to have those accelerometers and all that stuff in

1562
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: an iPhone. iPhone has a battery, this power going through

1563
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: the phone which controls all that. I just wonder how

1564
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,719
Speaker 2: a chip has its own power gott.

1565
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 4: To charge your footballs up before every game you plug them.

1566
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 7: This is from a cost perspective.

1567
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 6: I think it is really one of the best that

1568
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:09,839
Speaker 6: could be the simplest answer.

1569
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 4: Couldn't spike it anymore.

1570
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 6: I just think there's still some things to be ironed

1571
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 6: out that they haven't that no one's really explained to

1572
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 6: me how that worked. Like the ball I get has

1573
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 6: a chip in it, and they know where the where

1574
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 6: the chip is when the whistle, like, but where is

1575
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 6: the ball spotted? It's the same thing that you said earlier,

1576
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 6: And you disagree with me that you think it's it's

1577
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 6: harder than I'm giving it credit for to know where

1578
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 6: the knee is, where the ball is right or whatever.

1579
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 6: Chip doesn't alleviate that problem. Yeah, I don't think.

1580
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 2: What is the first thing that touched the ground to

1581
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: cause him being down and then where was the ball

1582
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: at that time? You know, it's it's tough.

1583
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, match it up.

1584
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: Hector in Pennsylvania, and I'm glad he's writing in because

1585
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 2: I heard this trade scenario and it just I just laugh.

1586
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: He's from Pennsylvania. Loves his shift on listener back when

1587
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: it was PFW. Prigress had Andy Hart, which, by the way,

1588
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: I do miss. But would you trade for Miles Garrett?

1589
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: And if so, would you give up a second round

1590
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 2: pick as well as Joe Milton to acquire Garrett?

1591
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 7: You need a lot more to give.

1592
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 2: That would allow the Browns to use their first round

1593
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,520
Speaker 2: pick to go after talent as opposed to a quarterback,

1594
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 2: and would allow the first pick from the Patriots to

1595
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 2: acquire Will Campbell or perhaps go after Abdul Carter. Even Okay,

1596
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: I've heard this before, Joe Milton.

1597
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 6: You've heard someone say that the Patriots could get Miles

1598
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 6: Garrett for a second round pick.

1599
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 2: And Joe Milton right, a second round pick. Yeah, one,

1600
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: why would the Browns do that?

1601
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 14: So?

1602
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: And and this person's going the next step saying that

1603
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: now the Browns have their starting quarterback with Joe Milton.

1604
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 4: You don't believe that, Paul, do they.

1605
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 6: How many points they scored there?

1606
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 4: It's not about.

1607
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: So for anybody. And but he was subscribing to that scenario.

1608
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: Second round go look at what it costs to get

1609
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack, and Miles Garrett is better than Khalil Mack.

1610
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 7: You know, I am always interested about these trades though,

1611
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 7: because it doesn't usually end up being as much as

1612
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 7: you think it's going.

1613
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 6: To make, No, especially when a guy is adamant about

1614
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 6: demanding the trade. Sometimes that lowers the price because they're

1615
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 6: desperate and they have to get to move.

1616
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 7: And I'd also say, like it matters where in the

1617
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 7: first round the picks are coming from. Like I think

1618
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 7: one team that's been floated is the Lions just to

1619
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 7: kind of get them over the top to go out

1620
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 7: and get But if the Lions know that they're going

1621
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 7: to be picking thirty second in the draft for the

1622
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 7: next two years because they now have Miles Garrett and

1623
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 7: they're going to win the Super Bowl, that's a lot

1624
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 7: different than the Patriots trading their first round picks for

1625
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 7: Miles Garrett. So you know it's just because they might

1626
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 7: get technically two first round picks for him. It might

1627
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 7: be two first round picks from a team that is

1628
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 7: expecting to be picking in the thirties, you know, in

1629
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 7: the first round. That's not the same thing.

1630
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 6: Folow. Yeah, I've heard Buffalo thrown out there a lot.

1631
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 6: Dere I've heard it thrown out there, like those two

1632
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 6: teams that are probably different. The bottom of the first round,

1633
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 6: not number four.

1634
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 2: Kyle from Pembroke has a would you rather game? And

1635
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 2: before you asked Paul, why does it have to be

1636
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 2: one of the other, it's because that's the point of

1637
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: the game.

1638
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 6: I love games. What do you make it? This is

1639
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 6: I'm your audience, bro, I love your game.

1640
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 2: Would you rather draft Carter at four or trade four

1641
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 2: for Miles Garrett?

1642
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 4: Carter?

1643
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 6: Draft Carter at four?

1644
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so you want the the upside.

1645
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 6: No, I don't have really a lot of faith that

1646
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 6: Carter will be a better player than Miles Garrett. But

1647
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 6: Miles Garrett is thirty twenty nine. I'll take a guy

1648
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 6: who might be a big part of my team when

1649
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 6: I'm good.

1650
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 4: Again, say, even if Carter isn't as good all around

1651
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 4: as Garrett, he's going to bring something important to the

1652
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 4: table where he can get after the quarterback a little bit.

1653
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 6: I mean, it's unrealistic to expect him to sight unseen

1654
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 6: to be defensive player of the year.

1655
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 2: Can't, right, right?

1656
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 6: I Mean obviously you hope that, but that's hard to

1657
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 6: just pencil in for a kid who's never played it down.

1658
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 2: But you'd rather use the draft pick on Carter than

1659
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 2: trade for Garrett.

1660
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I probably would too, think about it though.

1661
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 2: I love gettr but I would I mean two signed T.

1662
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 2: Higgins to a large, maybe overpay contract, or draft McMillan

1663
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 2: at four.

1664
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 7: T T Higgins Higgins.

1665
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:32,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay again twenty five as opposed to twenty nine.

1666
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: Trade down to swap first and get a Day two pick,

1667
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 2: or draft Will Campbell at four.

1668
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 6: Trade down to get her first.

1669
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 7: Get a day two pick.

1670
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 2: So oh wait, so you get you get the first

1671
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 2: and you get a day two pick.

1672
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 6: So you're not getting a first How far down you're

1673
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 6: swapping with somebody and you're getting a Day two pick?

1674
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 7: How far down am I going?

1675
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

1676
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 7: I don't know. I can't answer it.

1677
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 6: But I have to take Will Campbell at four?

1678
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, take the.

1679
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 4: Trade, Yeah, I might take how down and going?

1680
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 6: Okay, but I don't want Will Campbell at four.

1681
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 7: I don't mind Will Campbell, but I might.

1682
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 6: You know, I might be being stubborn about that.

1683
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: Get rid of the Pro Bowl or get rid of

1684
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: holiday games, midweek games.

1685
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 6: Oh I missed that one.

1686
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 2: So you can get rid of the or get rid

1687
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 2: of the midweek or holiday games, holiday midweek pro.

1688
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 6: I would say, the holiday midweek. I don't care about

1689
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 6: the Pro Bowl anyway. That doesn't know.

1690
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 7: I like the I like the holiday games, don't there's

1691
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 7: no dry football. I watch it every week.

1692
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 6: I do too.

1693
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 7: Well, we don't have we don't really we don't really

1694
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 7: get to like watch a lot of non Patriots football

1695
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 7: during the season, so I I like watching it.

1696
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Floyd and Michigan. Some recent mock drafts of

1697
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 2: the Patriots drafting Mason Graham, which I'm okay with. I

1698
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,879
Speaker 2: like Ted McMillian. McMillan, but he is the number fifteen

1699
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 2: rated player on Daniel Jeremiah's player rankings. Will Campbell is

1700
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: the number eight rated player in his ranking, plus too

1701
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: many comments about him possibly being the guard for me

1702
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 2: to be okay with drafting me at number four. Too

1703
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 2: many people seem to ignore the value of the number

1704
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: four pick. No reaching, But the problem is the number

1705
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: four pick is more valuable in some other years when

1706
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: you have better high end talent. This year, the number

1707
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 2: four pick isn't that valuable.

1708
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 6: I mean, if you, yeah, someone's good, someone's gonna get

1709
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 6: taken four, that doesn't mean that they're worthy of the

1710
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 6: fourth overall pick. So like you have to sort of

1711
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 6: talk yourself into what is the lesser of two evils

1712
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 6: if you don't have an opportunity to take Carter or Hunter,

1713
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 6: because I think those two guys are probably worth the

1714
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 6: fourth pick.

1715
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 4: Yep.

1716
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 7: I'm not a big Mason Graham guy. Not because I

1717
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 7: don't think his tape is good. I do. I just

1718
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 7: I'm not really I don't see the value like I'm

1719
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 7: I guess I'm just missing where like what's the what's

1720
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 7: the vision of building the.

1721
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 4: Team Barmore if they don't know if Barmore can play anymore.

1722
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 2: I've heard many people say you build from the inside out.

1723
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, but now we're building really from the inside. It

1724
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 7: kind of like reminds me of like what Washington did

1725
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 7: all those years ago where they drafted like four first

1726
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 7: round defensive tackles in a row, all from Alabama. It's

1727
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 7: just I just don't see what. I don't see moving

1728
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 7: the needle, Like, I just don't He's not gonna finish sacks,

1729
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 7: so he's not He's not that type of player. He's

1730
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 7: a disruptor.

1731
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: He's not warn sack.

1732
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he's he's a disruptor, just like kind

1733
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 7: of like bar More. You know, like he's he's gonna

1734
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 7: wreck games, but I don't think he's going to be

1735
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 7: the one getting him on the ground. I get the

1736
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 7: interior pressure, I get all that. I just I don't know.

1737
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 7: I just don't think that it's enough A good run

1738
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 7: stopper he is, but I wouldn't say it's his strength.

1739
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:41,879
Speaker 4: On the way to the quarterback.

1740
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, he reminds me a lot of Brandon

1741
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 7: Fiskey with the rams, Like I think that that's his

1742
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 7: ideal roll three technique get up the field calls him

1743
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 7: Fiskey pronunciation.

1744
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 2: I I know how it's spelled, but it's usually it's

1745
01:20:58,880 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 2: pronounced fisk.

1746
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 7: I think it's fisky, friskysy.

1747
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 4: I think it's fisk.

1748
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 7: But yeah, I just I'm not crazy about it. Like

1749
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 7: i'd much I'd much rather compliment bar More with an

1750
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 7: edge rusher with somebody coming, if you're gonna go pass rush, like,

1751
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 7: I'd much rather be off the edge. I just who's

1752
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 7: getting the quarterback on the ground.

1753
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're talking my language. That's in the same kind

1754
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 4: of thoughts that I've been thinking about him, because he's

1755
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 4: a good player. But like you said, I mean, if

1756
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 4: bar Moore is good to go. It's a little bit

1757
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 4: too redundant. I would also just say, with all the

1758
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 4: conversation around Will Campbell, who I really like, I mean,

1759
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be a good player. I just

1760
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 4: think they need to sew up something with the offensive

1761
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 4: line and free agency. I just don't think even if

1762
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 4: you take Will Cambell with four, I still think you're

1763
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 4: putting a lot of You're a lot of hope on

1764
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 4: that one player being able to fix as a rookie

1765
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 4: at a position that a lot of people aren't even

1766
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 4: sure he can play like. I don't want to wait

1767
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 4: till that point to feel like we solidified the offensive line. I'm,

1768
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 4: you know, seeing Steve Palazzola, who we know a little

1769
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 4: bit from PFF, saying you just need the offensive line

1770
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 4: to be okay, just to not suck. And I kind of.

1771
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 2: Agree with that notion.

1772
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 4: That's me.

1773
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 6: I was stunned. And as Evon pointed out, he's kind

1774
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 6: of one of the analytics guys.

1775
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 4: That's why I wonder I feel without Hunter or Carter

1776
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 4: at four, I really am. I'm kind of torn. I'm

1777
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 4: kind of torn on what to do. I don't like

1778
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 4: that much.

1779
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 6: And then I could talk into Will Campbell, but.

1780
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 4: I can talk myself into it.

1781
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: I just like to get there and be like, we've

1782
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 2: got a left.

1783
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 6: Tackle right now, but I would like to sign a

1784
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 6: veteran tackle and draft Will Campbell or Kelvin Bank Aleric Jackson.

1785
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, Aler Jackson's a great one. I mean, or just

1786
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 4: you know, let's wait till day two and get a

1787
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 4: right tackle. Like, let's not you know what I mean,

1788
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 4: Let's sign Jackson. He's a solid player. Fine, get another

1789
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 4: developmental guy in day two. Uh, you know that maybe

1790
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 4: he's going to play the right side. And I mean,

1791
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 4: I also just think like, even as bad as last

1792
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 4: year was, I think we're better coaching. Even if they

1793
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 4: had to bring back some of those, like one of

1794
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 4: the right tackle guys, like they could probably figure it out.

1795
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 4: And that's just saying without even before the draft, get

1796
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 4: more bodies. But I just I think I don't think

1797
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 4: they can get to the draft and be like, let's

1798
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 4: find all our answers to the offensive line. I think

1799
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 4: they've got to fix that or at least feel like

1800
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 4: they've made some solid steps in free agency.

1801
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 6: But I just would feel very good if they don't

1802
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 6: have two guys two different starting tackles next.

1803
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 4: Year after yeah, after after after the draft team.

1804
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 6: I don't care when. Just next year, I want two

1805
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 6: different guys starting at tack.

1806
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:34,839
Speaker 7: I would. I think you sign ideally signed to veteran

1807
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 7: starters in free agency. Not necessarily Joe Thomas, like a

1808
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 7: you're not going to get that guy, but just two

1809
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 7: veteran starters in free agency, whether their guards or tackles,

1810
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 7: just so that you have that those kind of spots

1811
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 7: exactly shops for nobody's just gonna but like it doesn't

1812
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 7: have to be Tray Smith, Like you don't have to

1813
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 7: go pay twenty million dollars a year for a guard,

1814
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 7: but just some serviceable NFL offensive lineman a lot, you know,

1815
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 7: can we keep bringing it up, but a lot like

1816
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 7: what Washington? Did you know they brought in just functional guys,

1817
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 7: you know? Uh, and then you bring those guys in.

1818
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 7: I'm higher. I guess maybe on Will Campbell at four

1819
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 7: than other people. I don't see the knee jerk necessity

1820
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 7: to move him inside immediately. I think he can make

1821
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 7: it at tackle. I think he's plenty athletic enough to

1822
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 7: play tackle in the NFL. I just I always come

1823
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 7: back to if you played tackle, at a really really

1824
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 7: high level in that conference against that competition. Now all

1825
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 7: of a sudden, he's not He's going to be in

1826
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 7: over his head at tackle, Like I just don't necessarily

1827
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 7: see that. Like he's going up against NFL rushers almost

1828
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 7: every week at Alabama.

1829
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 6: Isaiah wins online too.

1830
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 7: So Isaiah was extremely undersized.

1831
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 6: So totally understand he played at a high level in

1832
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 6: that conference.

1833
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 7: Sure, but Isaiah was undersized for an NFL offensive lineman.

1834
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 7: Will Campbell give you an example to potentially have.

1835
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 2: Some short staying on the offensive line theme. Patriots bringing

1836
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 2: Doug Maroon, who is supposedly a good offensive line coach.

1837
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: Then we hear a story yesterday that Dante Scarnecia could

1838
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 2: be around, you know.

1839
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 6: If they need him.

1840
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,959
Speaker 2: Is that an indication that maybe they might be drafting

1841
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 2: Will Campbell and you could have his own private coach

1842
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 2: to make sure that he works out.

1843
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 4: No, to be honest, I didn't really know what to

1844
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 4: make of those reports, Like its just it kind of

1845
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 4: feels like we really promise we're going to take care

1846
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 4: of this really, No, seriously, though, we're gonna bring Dante back.

1847
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 4: We know he's We're a lack of brain power, right,

1848
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 4: we know he's working wood mostly now, but he's gonna

1849
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 4: come back for He's gonna moonlight. He's gonna audit some

1850
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 4: classes and and help us out. Like I just I

1851
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 4: don't really, I'm not really in save us Dante Scarnecia

1852
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 4: mode anymore. I think, you know, I'd be great to

1853
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 4: have him around a little bit, but I'm not going

1854
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 4: to rely on him to be.

1855
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 6: The one anti Tom Brady anti greatest position for of all.

1856
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 7: Interesting, Well, Doug Maron's here or reportedly going to be

1857
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 7: the offensive line coach, and then the assistant offensive line

1858
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 7: coach has also run a room before. I can't pronounce

1859
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 7: his his last name, totally, totally, totally, I say it.

1860
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 2: I think, so that's what we're thinking. It's that.

1861
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 7: So he's he's also been a head offensive line coach too,

1862
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 7: So you really have two guys that have experience of

1863
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 7: coaching the offensive line. And then Josh is really good

1864
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 7: with protections and the schematics of working the offensive line,

1865
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 7: not necessarily technique, but in terms of the x's and o's.

1866
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 7: So do they really have a lot of brain power

1867
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 7: already invested in I.

1868
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: Had one person come in today and said, you know,

1869
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 2: last year they were making fun of us because we

1870
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 2: had too much inexperience. Now they're making fun of us

1871
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 2: because we have too many chefs in the kitchen. Are

1872
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 2: people saying that?

1873
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 6: People are saying there's too many chefs in the too many.

1874
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 2: Chefs in the kitchen when he cooks?

1875
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 6: Oh, is that in relation there's too many head coaches?

1876
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1877
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think it's too many cooks in the kitchen.

1878
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:55,440
Speaker 6: It might be too many personalities, too many strong personalities.

1879
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1880
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 6: I don't think it's necessarily. I don't think that. I

1881
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 6: think they have a perfect amount of coaches to I

1882
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 6: think it's more in line with Bill did, which I

1883
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 6: always agreed with. Less is more, But I don't think

1884
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 6: it's less. I think it's typical of what other teams do.

1885
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 6: The Patriots last year, I believe, had double what they

1886
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 6: have right now. That I'm not that's too many cooks

1887
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 6: in the kitchen.

1888
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean guys running around cooks. But I

1889
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: think it's specifically, you got a lot of head coaches

1890
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 2: who would you would think have a lot of strong opinions,

1891
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 2: and how is that going to all mix.

1892
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 6: That's a concern to me, is that one thinks this

1893
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 6: is the way the offense should run well. And that's

1894
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 6: not necessarily that Josh McDaniel's things, But that's.

1895
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 2: Where Rabel comes in. Rabel has to put the fist

1896
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: down and say, listen, when we make a decision, that's

1897
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 2: it all. We're all on board and there's no second guessing.

1898
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 2: We go forward as a team.

1899
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 4: So that's that's to me is a big reason why

1900
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 4: I'm not that concerned. I mean, had it been a

1901
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 4: first time head coach with a lot of head coaches

1902
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 4: around him, then I think that it's a recipe for

1903
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 4: this guy doesn't know what he's doing, you know that

1904
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. But I just think the way

1905
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 4: I mean I saw, I think it was Taylor maybe

1906
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 4: interviewed Steve Spagnola with the at the thing last night

1907
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 4: talking about how much respect he has for Vrabel, I

1908
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 4: just I think a lot of coach he's kind of

1909
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 4: one of those coaches, coach kind of guys. I think

1910
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 4: a lot of people respect him around league, and I

1911
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 4: I just I think he's going to have the personality

1912
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 4: to keep a handle on all that stuff and be

1913
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 4: able to let people do their job without feeling like,

1914
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 4: you know, they're coming to him.

1915
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: Cynthia is not happy with us. Oh Cynthia about last week,

1916
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: she said, worst episode this week? Hearing the fashion shaming

1917
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 2: of Taylor switch, can we focus on something important like

1918
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: football instead of women bashing other women? Low moment? Pu

1919
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 2: sounded like elementary school mean girls, and that is not

1920
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 2: just Alex and Tamara. Mike sounded like the closet to

1921
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 2: an adult, like the closest to an adult, think and

1922
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 2: not that close and not for very long. I don't

1923
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 2: care if you like her or don't. We're better than that.

1924
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 7: Wow, this guy's.

1925
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 4: Way, I just dig care music.

1926
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 6: I think the one thing I said was I wasn't

1927
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 6: aware there was a rant against her fashion. I wasn't

1928
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 6: aware of that. I thought, I don't know that was

1929
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 6: considered to be like a shot at She really enjoys herself.

1930
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 2: By the way we talk about everybody's fashion on this show.

1931
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 6: I didn't because I didn't know it was a thing. Fortunately,

1932
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 6: the women that I hear talking.

1933
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 2: About it fashions, I'm not here to defend themselves.

1934
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 6: I didn't know either. Got to plead ignorance on this thing.

1935
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 2: We have a right, we have a right to our opinions.

1936
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 6: And she has a right to complain about them.

1937
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 9: What is that bad that you're wearing?

1938
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: Right?

1939
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 4: And Hart that was having like a big dartmouth window

1940
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 4: or something.

1941
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 6: I actually went home that night and I talked to

1942
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 6: Beth about it a little bit. I was like, is

1943
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 6: there a thing like where women don't think that Taylor

1944
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 6: Swift has any fashion sense or anything like that? And

1945
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 6: she was not really. Now we're a little older, you know,

1946
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 6: so maybe we're not as Yeah.

1947
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: Wow, we can't all be the Grammys with the castle

1948
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 2: on his head?

1949
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 7: That was Jayden Smith.

1950
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that was a rough roof. Is that

1951
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 6: is that all? I don't know if that is that allowed.

1952
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 7: Too much entanglement?

1953
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 6: Is that allowed to criticize that?

1954
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: Yes?

1955
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 6: Like yeah, because I thought that was ridiculous.

1956
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked like it was being punished.

1957
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 6: How did you be sitting behind him?

1958
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 7: I know his mom's kind of crazy.

1959
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 6: Your castle, Oh don't don't don't do that.

1960
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 2: She's a little crazy.

1961
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I just didn't realize that that was a

1962
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 6: big thing. And Taylor Switch, Now.

1963
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 7: I would say I didn't know that either. With her,

1964
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 7: it's her dancing that gets a lot of a lot

1965
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 7: of flat.

1966
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 2: She's a singer songwriter. Yeah, that's normally it's there was

1967
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 2: a debate in our department, like two people were going

1968
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 2: at it between Beyonce and h Taylor Swift who was better,

1969
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 2: and like it was starting to get a little heated.

1970
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 2: I had to like kind of get in there. Oh

1971
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: ho ho yeah, yeah heated. I'm breaking up up and

1972
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 2: the one person was starting to get his or her

1973
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 2: feelings hurt.

1974
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 4: Oh it was good.

1975
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 2: That was good.

1976
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 6: Good right there? Give us a damn yeah.

1977
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 2: So I but like people really did, I said, I moderated,

1978
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 2: and I said, listen, Taylor Swift is a singer, songwriter.

1979
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 2: Beyonce is not Beyonce vocals and dancing. That's what Taylor

1980
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 2: Swift did. They're both they both have something the other doesn't.

1981
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 6: I hate it. That's such a balance.

1982
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: And then I said, and they said, well, who has

1983
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 2: had the biggest influence overall? I said, well, I will

1984
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 2: make the comparison to the Patriots and the Chiefs. I said,

1985
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 2: I said, right now, if you had to stop today,

1986
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 2: if Taylor Swift never produced another song, you would say, overall,

1987
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Beyonce had the bigger influence. But Taylor Swift is on

1988
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 2: track to surpass her if she keeps doing it.

1989
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,799
Speaker 4: I think she might already surpassed her, to be honest,

1990
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. Taylor Swift seems like a

1991
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 4: globe phenomenal, already did the country thing, the like of

1992
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 4: Wi the likes, and.

1993
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 2: They both kind of reinvented themselves, you know, over time.

1994
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 2: But you know, so like everybody, haas entitled to their

1995
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 2: own opinion, especially when it comes to art and music

1996
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 2: and entertainment.

1997
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 7: I do like your your take is I would say

1998
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 7: vocal beyon Oh yeah, I think Beyonce is more talented.

1999
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 7: I think Taylor Swift not.

2000
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 2: When it comes to songwriting.

2001
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 6: It depends what you consider. It's like the athletic traits

2002
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 6: that you consider.

2003
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think she's.

2004
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 2: She's like I give credit to what I give credit

2005
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 2: to any entertainer that writes their own songs these days.

2006
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 4: You know, that's what she does.

2007
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 7: She also writes songs for other people a lot of.

2008
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 2: So that's a talent that Beyonce doesn't have.

2009
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 4: Fair you know, But I mean Beyonce is like irreplaceable.

2010
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 4: I mean it's a song.

2011
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's there's no there's no right or wrong.

2012
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 2: There's no right or wrong. Paul another Paul Uh talking

2013
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 2: about the coaching hires. Please provide insight into the hir

2014
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 2: rings of Doug Moron and Todd Downing. Our O line

2015
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 2: and wide receiver rooms maybe the worst in the league

2016
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 2: and clearly need both talent and coaching. Moron was run

2017
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 2: out of Alabama and was ineffective, to say the least

2018
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,520
Speaker 2: in New Orleans. Downing has never specifically coached wide receivers

2019
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 2: and has excelled at literally nothing in his twenty years

2020
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 2: as a coach. These were two of the most important

2021
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 2: hires aside from the coordinators, and both leave a lot

2022
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 2: to be desired, that is, Paul.

2023
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 7: I don't know about that. With Doug Moron. I mean,

2024
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 7: I understand that there's some people that feel that way

2025
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 7: about his endings in those places, but he's a pretty

2026
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 7: wildly respected offensive line coach.

2027
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 6: That's what I thought.

2028
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 7: Oh, I got a couple decades slapped around last week

2029
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 7: for that. No, I think that that's ill informed by

2030
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 7: the people, So I.

2031
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 6: Would say, I mean, we did talk about this a

2032
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 6: little bit just now. Todd Downing, I'm a little I

2033
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 6: think that's an odd hire to me. Like I know,

2034
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 6: like Mike Reese had written and speculated a little bit

2035
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 6: about Wes Welker to him last week.

2036
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:02,440
Speaker 7: I wonder if that's still a possibility.

2037
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 6: Todd Downing to me, hasn't really been very effective, and

2038
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 6: I know he's not gonna be calling plays, and that's

2039
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 6: what he was criticized the most war But Marone I

2040
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 6: feel better about as an offensive line coach than evidently most.

2041
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 6: The criticism Evan when you were gone was that he

2042
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 6: hasn't really been known to develop offensive lineman. He's not necessarily.

2043
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

2044
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 6: I'm always that I always thought he was just what

2045
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 6: you said.

2046
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 7: Was he not able to develop offensive lineman or were

2047
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 7: the guys picking the groceries for him not giving him well?

2048
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 6: The argument in New Orleans was that I think it's

2049
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 6: Ruiz has really developed since he left.

2050
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that's why you bring in Dante Garnekia

2051
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 2: to do the individual development.

2052
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 7: I just think a guy like Doug Moron has a

2053
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 7: really good reputation.

2054
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 6: He does and Bill Bill loved him in a.

2055
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 7: Really strong rep tation across coaching, uh big, really good

2056
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 7: friend with Bill O'Brien, and so that he has some

2057
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 7: adjacent experience in this kind of system with Bill O'Brien.

2058
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 7: I just I don't have any worries at all about

2059
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 7: Doug Maroon. The Todd Downing hired seems to me to

2060
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 7: be more like he's going to be like the high

2061
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 7: level teaching the concepts of the offense, because it is

2062
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 7: a very conceptual, uh, you know, heavy offense in terms

2063
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 7: of the mental load on receivers. So I looked at

2064
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 7: him as more of a guy that's going to come

2065
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 7: in and teach the plays and teach the concepts of

2066
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 7: the offense. So I wonder if Wes Welker is still

2067
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 7: in play as an assistant to come in and actually

2068
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 7: teach the wide receiver elements, you know, releases, top of

2069
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 7: the route, you know that that sort of technique kind

2070
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 7: of things. I would think that maybe they're still higher.

2071
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,759
Speaker 7: Dont forget the adjustment, you know, it's it's two different things,

2072
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 7: right Like, it's you know, like the past game as

2073
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 7: a whole and then all and then teaching technique of

2074
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 7: wide receiver routes and things like that. And I wonder

2075
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 7: if there's another hire still to come in terms of that.

2076
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 2: What's going on in that coaching staff? John says, supposedly

2077
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 2: Evan knows ball, why is he pushing Travis Hunter rather

2078
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 2: than a left tackle. The passing game does not improve

2079
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,560
Speaker 2: without a franchise left tackle, and there are no franchise

2080
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 2: left tackles and free agency.

2081
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 7: When did I say that?

2082
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 2: Are you pushing Travis Hunter over Will Campbell?

2083
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 6: Ask me?

2084
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 2: After the combine rearly, the combine makes that much of

2085
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 2: a difference to you.

2086
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 7: His arm light makes a major difference. If Will Campbell

2087
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 7: has he stretches those babies out and we get to

2088
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 7: thirty three inches, I'm in if he's going to be

2089
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 7: at thirty two and one eighth he's a guard.

2090
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 2: But shouldn't the tape tell you more of the fact

2091
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 2: that he wasn't the first strike guy? And you know,

2092
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 2: because that's what I read that he's not the kind

2093
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 2: of guy who can you know, win on that first strike.

2094
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 2: He has to But if hitting with his fet which

2095
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 2: is fine, if he has the requisite you can overcome it.

2096
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 7: Though if he does have the requisite length and maybe

2097
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 7: he's just not getting the proper coaching to maximize his

2098
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 7: length and maximize that element, you know, it doesn't matter

2099
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 7: to me honestly right now, I just I need to

2100
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 7: see where we're at with the combine. I understand there's

2101
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 7: a lot of interest in the draft. It's very very early,

2102
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 7: like there's a long way to go. We still don't

2103
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 7: have measurements on all these guys, which I do think

2104
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 7: matters for the line. There's a lot of interviews, there's

2105
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 7: a lot of pro days, there's a lot of combine,

2106
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 7: there's a lot of things to start.

2107
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 6: If he measures as a tackle, you would say Will Campbell, Yeah,

2108
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 6: so I would just as a In your defense, I

2109
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 6: think you have been high on Will Campbell, probably higher

2110
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 6: than Mike and ild Yeah. I just there's one thing

2111
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 6: I want to push back on, not necessarily this email,

2112
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,879
Speaker 6: but there was a premise here. We got something similar

2113
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 6: in a mail bag question this week, the idea that

2114
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 6: you take one guy over another because that one guy

2115
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 6: that you don't want to take isn't going to be

2116
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 6: the difference in making you significantly. But no one guy

2117
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 6: is going to turn this around. Right, So if you

2118
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 6: think that it's more important to build the offensive line first, great,

2119
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not gonna argue with you. You might

2120
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 6: be right if you think taking the wide receiver first,

2121
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 6: or an edge rusher for whatever it is. You know,

2122
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 6: one of the question we've got in the mailbag was

2123
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 6: Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter on last year's team wouldn't

2124
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 6: have significantly improved the record. Yeah, I agree, it wouldn't have,

2125
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 6: but that's not why I don't take them. Is Abdul

2126
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 6: Carter better than my options?

2127
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 2: Right?

2128
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 6: Then I want to take them because my idea is

2129
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 6: don't overthink it. My idea is I'm going to take

2130
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 6: somebody at four. Who's going to take me from four

2131
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 6: to thirteen to thirteen and four. That's not going to happen.

2132
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 6: One guy is not going.

2133
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 5: To do that.

2134
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 2: It's one step at a time.

2135
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 6: The idea is to accumulate as many talented players as

2136
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 6: as they can. Because I think you're the same guy

2137
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 6: that we talked about with the offensive line, Steve Palizzolo.

2138
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 6: I think is that my pronouncing that correctly? He No,

2139
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 6: he's I think he's independent third team. Okay, he's the

2140
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 6: one that had the line about you know, you just

2141
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 6: need the offensive line not to be bad, right, So

2142
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 6: that that's where he was coming from. But they asked

2143
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,719
Speaker 6: him to rate the roster and he estimates it's bottom

2144
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 6: three in the league talent wise. One guy's not going

2145
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 6: to fix that, right, So if you think, well, we

2146
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 6: got to take Will Campbell because you can't have it.

2147
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 6: Tom to parrot this email, you can't have a passing

2148
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 6: game without a left tackle. Well, you can't have one

2149
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 6: with no wide receivers either, right, And even if you

2150
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 6: have great protection, those guys aren't going to be all

2151
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,600
Speaker 6: that great because they're not great players. You need playmakers,

2152
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 6: you need good protection, you need guys that can get

2153
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 6: out to the passer, you need everything.

2154
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 2: Don't overthink it when the guy's there that can help you,

2155
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 2: and he's the best guy available. Take.

2156
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 6: And I don't think you're wrong for suggesting that Will

2157
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:03,360
Speaker 6: Campbell makes more sense than Travis Hunter. I'm not arguing

2158
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 6: with that. That might be act that I might feel

2159
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 6: the same way. If Evan's right about Will Campbell's ability

2160
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 6: to play tackle, he could sway me. And you guys

2161
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 6: know I don't generally get swayed, but that mentality could

2162
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 6: sway me. I just don't think that that automatically means

2163
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 6: my offense is better now because I have a left tackle.

2164
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 6: That's part of it. That's how you get better by

2165
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:24,879
Speaker 6: getting better players.

2166
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 7: I would say the only guy that I am pretty

2167
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 7: much had no on right now for is Tech McMillan, like,

2168
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 7: that's pretty much the only guy that I would say

2169
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 7: it would be disappointed, Like even Mason Graham, like I

2170
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 7: wouldn't love it, but I could see the player. I

2171
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 7: can see the talent and the idea of the player.

2172
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 7: Ted McMillan is the only guy that I'd sit here

2173
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 7: today and I'm like at four. Note, I just.

2174
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 6: Want to be confident in the fact that whoever they take,

2175
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 6: they think is the best player, whether it's Mason Graham

2176
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 6: or Travis Hunter or Abdull Carter or Will Campbell, whoever.

2177
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 6: And if you think McMillan's not in that category.

2178
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 7: Fine, I think it's those Fine.

2179
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 6: I just wanted to be confident that whatever guy that

2180
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 6: they pick, they're one convinced is the best of those

2181
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:07,879
Speaker 6: four players.

2182
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 7: Yep, I think it's those four. I think those four

2183
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 7: guys right now are the ones that I would say

2184
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 7: or are really the group that I would consider the

2185
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 7: draft four. Now, if they trade down, that obviously expands

2186
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 7: the group, but those four, and you know, I'll still

2187
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 7: say it. I think Campbell can play tackle. I think

2188
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 7: that Travis Hunter can play wide receiver, and I would

2189
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 7: play them at wide receiver.

2190
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking Fresna, I wonder if we'll have another consequential

2191
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 2: holding episode as we've had in the past three Super Bowls.

2192
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 2: He's talking about penalties holding penalties in the Super Bowl.

2193
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's fixed, but there at least seems

2194
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 2: to be a pattern of utter incompetence. Three years ago,

2195
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 2: it was the phantom hold of Cup on third and

2196
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,400
Speaker 2: goal to give the Rams a winning score late in

2197
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, a total makeup for the t Higgins face

2198
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 2: mask of Ramsey coming out of halftime. Rams win. Two

2199
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 2: years ago was the phantom holding call on James Bradbury

2200
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 2: on third and eight late in the fourth quarter, Chiefs win.

2201
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 2: And then it's switched up last year when the Zebras

2202
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:07,759
Speaker 2: elected not to call a million holes by Donovan Smith

2203
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 2: and Jawan Taylor Chiefs win.

2204
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 6: I don't know those are my favorites.

2205
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 4: It's I'm sorry to think though, it's impossible that this

2206
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 4: game is going to go by without people.

2207
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 6: This is why, because regardless of the out regardless of

2208
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 6: the outcome, this is good. It's if they don't call it,

2209
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 6: it's they let it go. So if that's the premise,

2210
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 6: then I kind of agree with Feliger. There's no way

2211
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 6: that the referees can win. Like if you're going to

2212
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 6: complain when they call it, and then complain when they

2213
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 6: don't call it, what do you like, they can't win.

2214
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 6: And if you think it's fixed, it's fixed. I mean

2215
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 6: I can't. No one can convince you it's not fixed.

2216
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 6: Like that's Jim Murray. Like Jim Murray legitimately.

2217
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 7: He legitimately, he doesn't legitimately.

2218
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 6: He legitimately thinks it's fixed. I'm just telling you he

2219
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 6: thinks these shots the bit part of it. Oh how

2220
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 6: about the story about the the MLB umpire yesterday? Oh yeah,

2221
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 6: oh no, I know it's impossible for it to be fixed.

2222
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 6: Like this is where like these guys, this is how what.

2223
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 2: Was he doing?

2224
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 7: He was can make an access to he had a

2225
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 7: sports book account.

2226
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:14,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2227
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:16,719
Speaker 7: I don't think they found any actual bets.

2228
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 6: Oh of course they haven't. But just like Tim Donaghie

2229
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:20,719
Speaker 6: didn't have any.

2230
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,600
Speaker 7: But he has an account with one of the sports books.

2231
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 6: And contact with someone who had access to this account

2232
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 6: or something like that. Like this is again, I don't

2233
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 6: If you're asking me, gun to my head, do I

2234
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 6: think these games are fixed? I'm going to say no,

2235
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,520
Speaker 6: but I don't just miss out of hand these possibilities.

2236
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 2: I said it before one did you get to these people?

2237
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 2: One of the things these sports books have to do today.

2238
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 2: No more under prop bets.

2239
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:46,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's going on.

2240
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 2: It's too easily to manipulate the under rip terror. Just

2241
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm hurt. I can't play anymore. So you know, no

2242
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 2: more under prop bets. Just eliminate them. Period.

2243
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 7: You heard the Terriers thing.

2244
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:04,560
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I know the the investigation going on, but

2245
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 6: I'm not I mean, I don't know.

2246
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 7: Uh.

2247
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 2: John and Plymouth says that Travis Hunter is overrated. He

2248
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 2: says in caps, I trade down to nine and take

2249
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 2: a left tackle.

2250
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, is there a.

2251
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 2: Chance that Travis Hunter is overrated?

2252
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 7: No?

2253
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 2: No, no, no, of.

2254
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 6: Course there is no. How do you know he's that good?

2255
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 2: Overrated at what position? Or just overall?

2256
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 6: I think I'm old enough to remember Peter Warwick. Fred.

2257
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's the real deal at cornerback.

2258
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, at the very least he's the real deal.

2259
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:39,679
Speaker 2: I don't know about wide receiver.

2260
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 7: He has a higher floor at cornerback. I don't think

2261
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 7: that there's a world where he's a bad cornerback. I

2262
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 7: just think that he's a good enough receiver that I'd

2263
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 7: give him a chance to play receiver, to hit the bigger,

2264
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 7: the bigger.

2265
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:53,560
Speaker 4: Where's this bigger ceiling though higher.

2266
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 7: Receiver, But just that's just because the position, you know,

2267
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 7: inherently it's a bigger it's a more impact position. Like

2268
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 7: if he goes on to be a true top ten

2269
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:03,799
Speaker 7: receiver in the league, that's more impactful in my opinion,

2270
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 7: than being a top ten corner.

2271
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:06,719
Speaker 6: I do like that we're getting a lot of different

2272
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 6: opinions on this stuff, Like from the listeners, you know,

2273
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 6: he's overrated, No, you got to take Will Campbell. No,

2274
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 6: you got to trade down and take Will Campbell at four.

2275
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 7: Well, that's kind of draft more interesting. Last year it

2276
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 7: was just like Drake Mayor.

2277
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 6: Right, and I said that, you know, like general in

2278
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:24,600
Speaker 6: general terms, I let you guys, you know, sort of

2279
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 6: go hog wild with all your mock drafts and stuff.

2280
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 6: But this year it's it's not so much about like

2281
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 6: the mock draft that doesn't really interest me at all,

2282
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 6: But what's going to happen, Like do the quarterbacks get

2283
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 6: taken in the top three, How that impacts the teams

2284
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 6: that are you know, will there be a team maybe Cleveland,

2285
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:47,719
Speaker 6: the Giants in Tennessee aren't interested in quarterbacks. But does

2286
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 6: you know a team like the Raiders or someone else

2287
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 6: look at it differently and say, I got to get

2288
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 6: up into the top three. I got it, you know,

2289
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 6: I got to find a way to get up and

2290
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 6: take them. I think that is intriguing for a draft,

2291
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 6: and I don't think anybody has an idea of how

2292
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 6: this is going to go yet.

2293
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 7: I think that's the most intriguing part is it's almost

2294
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 7: like a game of chicken of like the teams like

2295
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 7: the Raiders the Saints, like they're going to be teams

2296
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 7: in the back half of the top ten that need quarterbacks,

2297
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 7: And do they call the bluff of the teams in

2298
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 7: the top five and say, we don't. You're not going

2299
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 7: to actually draft Shador Sanders third overall, So we're not

2300
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 7: going to give you a boatload of draft picks to

2301
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 7: jump ahead of you because we don't actually think they'll

2302
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 7: do it when push comes to shove and they'll just

2303
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 7: kind of wait it out and be patient, or do

2304
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:33,799
Speaker 7: they get antsy and they go up and get the call.

2305
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 6: Go back to your quarterback stuff that you started when

2306
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 6: Fred was asking you all your thoughts about the seeable

2307
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 6: Jackson Dart. So you're not you're not a huge you're

2308
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 6: not a huge fan. Yeah, but it was seven on

2309
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 6: seven if you're a Raiders team or you know, one

2310
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 6: of those teams, like I don't have a quarterback, but

2311
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 6: I'm not really in position to get one, you know,

2312
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 6: ye Flyer, do you sit there and say, well, I'm

2313
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:58,639
Speaker 6: not going to force it. I'm not going to give

2314
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 6: up resources to get up and get your door Sanders

2315
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 6: who's There's a lot of varying opinions on. But maybe

2316
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 6: I sit tight and in the second or third round

2317
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 6: I have this guy fall into my lap. Yeah, Jackson

2318
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 6: Dark Yeah, And I don't know. I mean, I think

2319
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 6: I talk yourself a bit likely.

2320
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:20,640
Speaker 7: I think that they're Dart mill Row Howard from Ohio State. Like,

2321
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,680
Speaker 7: I think those guys are worthy day two, you know,

2322
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 7: mid round flyers like.

2323
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 6: His hands are evidently tiny.

2324
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 7: But those guys I think have some upside and have

2325
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,720
Speaker 7: you know, some some traits that you could work with

2326
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 7: that if you want to just throw the lottery ticket

2327
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 7: out and in the fourth round on oh, you know whatever.

2328
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 7: I think Milroy will go higher than that, But I

2329
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 7: do too wherever he goes. I could see that. I

2330
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 7: just I think there's really only two quarterbacks that have

2331
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 7: any chance of going high, and that's Cam Morton's door.

2332
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 7: But I think that those other quarterbacks will be more realistic.

2333
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 2: So the Raiders need a quarterback. And there's a report

2334
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 2: that Chip Kelly's going to be coming in to be

2335
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 2: their O c oh.

2336
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 6: No six million dollars.

2337
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 5: So does that happen.

2338
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 2: If Chip Kelly has to say, does he say we

2339
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 2: got to move up and get Marcus Mariota.

2340
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 7: Well, his quarterback in college is Will Howard with the Ohio

2341
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 7: State had a really good playoff. I don't know. I mean,

2342
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 7: I don't know how much influence he'll have.

2343
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 6: Maybe he does what I just said, only instead of

2344
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 6: Dart it's Howard. Is no need to waste any resources.

2345
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 6: We'll get this guy in day two some point. He

2346
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 6: can run my offense, and he can run my offense.

2347
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2348
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 4: I just think from the Patriots perspective, like you guys said,

2349
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 4: we're looking at four guys. But if like it's suddenly

2350
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 4: a trade down happens all of a sudden, all these

2351
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,639
Speaker 4: options open up that I feel like we'll probably spend

2352
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 4: little to no time talking about this spring, the guys

2353
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 4: from Georgia. We were talking about Mike Gave, guy from Marshall.

2354
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 4: I mean, a lot of maybe just a tier below

2355
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 4: some of the names we're talking about in terms of

2356
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 4: edge or uh you know, those kind of players. But

2357
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 4: there's a lot that I like in that mid in

2358
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 4: that mid first round that that could still really be

2359
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:01,680
Speaker 4: helpful and then striguing and maybe you pick up an

2360
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 4: extra second round pick and then you hit a couple

2361
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 4: times in that really you know the best part of

2362
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 4: that that of this draft.

2363
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 7: Jalen Walker from Georgia. Yeah, screams rable linebacker, can play

2364
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 7: on the line, can play off the line, can rush

2365
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 7: the passer a little bit. He's not as big as

2366
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 7: as High Tower, but that can kind of be played

2367
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 7: in a similar role at High Tower, and that that

2368
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 7: kind of player just you know, if you're looking for.

2369
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 7: But the things that they talked about, effort, finish, leadership,

2370
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 7: like all those types of intangibles too. He just has

2371
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 7: checks a lot of those different boxes. And he's he's smaller.

2372
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 7: He's only like two forty two forty five, so he's

2373
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 7: a little bit new agy at that position. He's not

2374
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 7: two sixty like High Tower was.

2375
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:43,639
Speaker 4: So I feel like the tackles too. We talked about

2376
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:45,840
Speaker 4: Josh Simmons from OSU, who you know, was hurt. I mean,

2377
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I think there's a chance that

2378
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,679
Speaker 4: that guy's the best tackle of this all, this whole group,

2379
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 4: you know. So, I don't know. I just we're gonna

2380
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 4: get so focused on these main guys that there are

2381
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 4: other interesting guys out there. I think they could help.

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01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,559
Speaker 2: Mickey Kirk and rights in. First of all, Friday, I

2383
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,479
Speaker 2: love your eye Irish accent when you read out any

2384
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,120
Speaker 2: of my emails is as good as your Dan Shaughnessy impression.

2385
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 2: Hypothetical scenario for a wide receiver coach. Let's say Josh

2386
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 2: has his guy and Rabel has a different guy in mine,

2387
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 2: both equally good candidates who should have final say Josh

2388
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 2: as oc who will be working with the coach daily

2389
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 2: or Rabel as head coach.

2390
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I I'll throw it what I read

2391
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 4: today from Badard, and he reported exactly on this and

2392
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 4: said that Rabel wasn't even in the meeting. He wanted

2393
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels to come to this decision on his own.

2394
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 4: That's what reporting is.

2395
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would said rather it be Josh's decision, But

2396
01:50:35,479 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 7: that doesn't mean that I want the band back together.

2397
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 2: Like, so Josh on his own chose Rabel's guy from Tennessee.

2398
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 6: That's what I believe.

2399
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:50,759
Speaker 2: I come on, really, it's like, Josh, this is your decision.

2400
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 2: Here's the guy. Like, doesn't it seem that way?

2401
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not as worried about wide receivers coach as

2402
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 7: offensive line coach. Like I think that those offensive line

2403
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,440
Speaker 7: coach coordinator I think need to really be in tandem,

2404
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:03,599
Speaker 7: Like I think that needs to.

2405
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 6: Be Josh was like really tight with Dante.

2406
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dante Carmen Brisillo, like you need to be syncd up.

2407
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 7: Put those in those two ways, and I do think

2408
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 7: Doug moron Is is more in the middle of it

2409
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 7: has some some you know, branches touching both coaches, So

2410
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:22,920
Speaker 7: that does make me feel better.

2411
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I unders Anthony and Delaware says, what's

2412
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 2: the difference between if Bill was still here and hired

2413
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,719
Speaker 2: Josh as pass game coordinator or some other title besides

2414
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, do the Raiders still pay his entire salary?

2415
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 2: I see that the Patriots are paying Josh some money,

2416
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 2: but I assume next year they pay him in full.

2417
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 6: If Bill was here.

2418
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 2: So if Bill was.

2419
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 6: Here, he wouldn't have anything to do with Bill.

2420
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 2: He wouldn't give him the title of offensive coordinator. He

2421
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 2: give him some other title. So they pay him less

2422
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 2: and have the Raiders pay more.

2423
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 6: No, that's not the way it works. I'm gonna there's

2424
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff in that story that I'm not

2425
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 6: really gonna touch on.

2426
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, like that Bdard story. Oh I didn't even

2427
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 2: know he had a story. Oh yeah, yeah, I.

2428
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 6: Mean there's a lot of information in it.

2429
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 2: And okay, yeah. Also, Mark from the Bay came up

2430
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 2: in old episodes. He definitely owes you guys a few lunches.

2431
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 2: Pretty sure he was a big bitcoin guy back then.

2432
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 6: I think he was.

2433
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't call anymore.

2434
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 6: That's probably why.

2435
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 4: Was he the one that harass Eric?

2436
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh, Eric had no tolerance for him. He

2437
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't even let it get a word out edge.

2438
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:37,559
Speaker 4: Wise, just go right into it.

2439
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, Kylon Pembroke. Why is McMillan a No.

2440
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:45,839
Speaker 2: At four for you? Evan Ceiling?

2441
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 7: I just don't really love the player. I think he

2442
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 7: the best comp that I would have with Ted is

2443
01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 7: like a Drake London type, maybe even to Higgins like

2444
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 7: good players. Like I'm not saying that those are that

2445
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 7: they're bad players. I just I don't think that they're

2446
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 7: fourth overall players. Like, if you're gonna draft a receiver

2447
01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 7: that high, I expect him to be Jamar Chase. You know,

2448
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 7: I don't expect him to be Drake London.

2449
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 4: You know I'm with you too. I just I mean,

2450
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 4: I've been said it since since the season. I want explosiveness.

2451
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:14,840
Speaker 4: I want guys who are gonna change the speed of

2452
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 4: this team. And I think he's a nice piece. He's

2453
01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 4: a complimentary piece on the right team where you have

2454
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 4: an inside receiver who's really fast and can do a

2455
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 4: number of things. Like, yeah, that's a good complimentary piece.

2456
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 4: I'd love to have him on the team. They're not

2457
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 4: there yet. That's a couple moves down the road for me.

2458
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 4: I just I don't think he moves the needle enough

2459
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 4: for Drake maybe in the red zone. You know, he's

2460
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 4: a big target to throw too. That's a plus, But

2461
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 4: I'm looking more at the guys with speed this year.

2462
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 4: That's what i want. Speed, speed, speed.

2463
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:42,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a possession receiver. If he's not. He's not

2464
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 7: a take the top off the receiver. And I'm not

2465
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 7: necessarily in love with needing that, but it's just when

2466
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:52,479
Speaker 7: I watch him, I just don't necessarily see game changer

2467
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 7: on film with him. I see a nice receiver, but

2468
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 7: I don't see that. And if I'm gonna draft a

2469
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 7: receiver that high, it needs to be game changer.

2470
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,679
Speaker 2: Ben and Brooklyn's trying to get creative to get Miles.

2471
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 2: Garrett says, rather than the Patriots sending picks to Cleveland,

2472
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:10,200
Speaker 2: would the Browns be interested that the Patriots also took

2473
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 2: on Watson and then released him and then released him.

2474
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 2: Others have pointed out that the Patriots twenty twenty five

2475
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:20,960
Speaker 2: pick doesn't help much since Cleveland already has a high pick,

2476
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 2: and they might want to do the trade post June

2477
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 2: one for cap considerations. Patriots might also need to send

2478
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 2: back salary, so this deal would need additional tweaking. Who

2479
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 2: says no Patriots, Yeah.

2480
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I get it. I just that's a player

2481
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 4: they need. That's like they need that kind of player.

2482
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 6: There was no trade there. I mean, it was just Watson.

2483
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 6: Usually it's not going to be so we're going to

2484
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 6: give us Watson in Garrett, we're giving nothing, but we're

2485
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 6: just paying.

2486
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 7: Well, it's like a baseball trade there right, where like

2487
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 7: you give up less, you give it.

2488
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:51,000
Speaker 2: You take on salary.

2489
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:52,480
Speaker 6: No I know, but like I just I need to

2490
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:54,839
Speaker 6: know what the less is like, is all the Patriots

2491
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 6: giving up his money? Yeah, like they're paying Watson.

2492
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 2: That's it.

2493
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:00,280
Speaker 6: I don't think that that, you know, I don't. That's

2494
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 6: the one that was proposed to us in as BFWY.

2495
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:04,800
Speaker 4: They'll put them up. A tropical smoothie doesn't have to

2496
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 4: play for the football team.

2497
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 2: You can just you know, market fall wherever. The big

2498
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 2: conversation has been the Chiefs and the refs. I know

2499
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 2: the Patriots benefited from a lot of calls, and I

2500
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:15,680
Speaker 2: don't really think the fix is in for the Chiefs.

2501
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 2: I do think the conversation is missing an important piece though.

2502
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:22,640
Speaker 2: To me, the most egregious refereeing surrounding the Chiefs is

2503
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 2: the lack of offensive pass interference calls. It seems like

2504
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 2: they run illegal pick plays and don't get called for

2505
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 2: it at least five times a game. It reminds me

2506
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 2: of the early Patriots dynasty. Just on the other side

2507
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:36,160
Speaker 2: of the ball. They are physical and they are going

2508
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 2: to keep doing it and make the refs call it.

2509
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 2: You guys certainly watch all twenty two more than I do.

2510
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:44,200
Speaker 2: Do you agree? Wasn't that an issue when that championship

2511
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 2: game that we beat them and can't?

2512
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 7: Bill definitely feels the same way.

2513
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, Sammy Watkins got opened late in that game on

2514
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 6: the one that the tying field goal on a blatant pick, right,

2515
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 6: which is basically the entirety of the Patriots passing game, Like,

2516
01:55:57,760 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 6: that's what That's.

2517
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 2: Why there's there was between a rub and a pick.

2518
01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 6: I totally agree, right right, I totally agree. And Andy

2519
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:11,880
Speaker 6: Reid and Bill Belichick executed that stuff better than anyone,

2520
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 6: and that's why that's another to me. That's another similarity

2521
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 6: between their two their dominance because they both get away

2522
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 6: with a lot of that. They're very and the Chiefs

2523
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:25,320
Speaker 6: absolutely get away with a lot of it.

2524
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 2: Jeff in Canada, I see on social media that our

2525
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:31,560
Speaker 2: ex coach has a new book out, The Art of Winning.

2526
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 2: I can only assume that the first chapters title draft

2527
01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 2: Tom Brady. Sorry, Bill, but you took shots at us,

2528
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 2: so we have to fire back. Is anyone I've already

2529
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 2: publisher is the title of the Art of Winning a

2530
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 2: head nod to the Art of War, Suz.

2531
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:57,440
Speaker 6: What did you call it?

2532
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 2: I love so winning that it's a nod to that.

2533
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean I think Amanda Belichick actually.

2534
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 2: The game is won before it's played.

2535
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's what she tweeted when she quote

2536
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 7: tweeted Amanda when she quote tweeted the book announcement.

2537
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

2538
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 7: I think she quote tweeted it with the Heart of War.

2539
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 4: Heart of War. I asked Bill a handful of questions

2540
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:24,160
Speaker 4: while he was here during my time, and one of

2541
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 4: them was just about the evolution of this game plan offense.

2542
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:29,360
Speaker 4: And I asked him about that and those right, first

2543
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 4: thing he went to with Wells the Art of War.

2544
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:35,600
Speaker 4: Every battle is one before it's fought, and that's it's

2545
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 4: always been one of his things. That wasn't surprised to

2546
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 4: see that be his title for sure. But I'll read it.

2547
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 4: Don't worry everybody, Yeah, tell us about it. I'll do

2548
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 4: a diarhella for you.

2549
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 6: Thank goodness so much.

2550
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 2: Do we know, like, is it just going to be

2551
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 2: X and O's like focused on preparation and all that

2552
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 2: type of stuff.

2553
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 7: I kind of got the impression that it's more going

2554
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 7: to be philosophy. No it's not. And I don't think

2555
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 7: it's going to be like why did he bench Malcolm Butler?

2556
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:01,960
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think it's gonna be like that's

2557
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 2: gonna be posting the post career, which I gotta say,

2558
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 2: like generally I don't like these books because it's just like, well,

2559
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:10,000
Speaker 2: I did it right, So here's how I did, and

2560
01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 2: this is how it should be done, you know, the

2561
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:16,839
Speaker 2: right for Brett, Well, he wanted forward by Mike Lombardi.

2562
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:20,600
Speaker 7: It doesn't say that it's good it's written by anybody.

2563
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 7: It says written by Bill Belichick. So I mean he

2564
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:24,800
Speaker 7: could have had a ghostwriter, but it's not like it's

2565
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:28,160
Speaker 7: like written by somebody on behalf of Bill your book?

2566
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:35,120
Speaker 2: Come on, jesuz wow. Alright. Writing time description.

2567
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:38,720
Speaker 9: Says Belichick shares memorable examples and practical takeaways from his

2568
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:40,400
Speaker 9: lived experiences.

2569
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:43,040
Speaker 2: Okay, lived experience.

2570
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:44,600
Speaker 7: I'm going to take Deuce's word for it when he

2571
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 7: tells me, how I.

2572
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:49,320
Speaker 2: Suppose the experiences you had when you weren't living, all right,

2573
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 2: that's gonna be it. Nothing that's gonna be it for

2574
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:57,480
Speaker 2: this edition of Patriot's Unfiltered. We'll be back on Thursday,

2575
01:58:57,600 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 2: Catch twenty two tomorrow.

2576
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 7: Tomorrow at noon noon, Yes, back to noon.

2577
01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll look forward to that. I'm going to dive

2578
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,919
Speaker 2: deep into the the college all star.

2579
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 7: Games, yes down there, he is not. College all Star

2580
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 7: games are over now, Senior Bowl and it was the

2581
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:18,040
Speaker 7: last one. So yeah, we'll do some of that. We'll

2582
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,080
Speaker 7: do a little bit on the coaching staff because we

2583
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 7: didn't talk about the coaching staff last week because we

2584
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:22,840
Speaker 7: just did.

2585
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:25,320
Speaker 2: All was bar like calling you like every hour like

2586
01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 2: what did you see?

2587
01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was very upset that he wasn't down there. Well,

2588
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:29,240
Speaker 7: very upset.

2589
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:32,200
Speaker 2: Why can't his station send him down That's why he's

2590
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:35,680
Speaker 2: on the station expert, right, and then they don't even

2591
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 2: send him.

2592
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 7: To You're friends with people over there.

2593
01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm not making business decisions for them.

2594
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 7: I didn't say that.

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Speaker 2: You know, like they don't want to send him that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a bad decision. Like you brought the

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Speaker 2: guy in to talk about college football and the draft

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Speaker 2: and everything, and then you don't send him to this,

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Speaker 2: not the he's not even going to the comp to them,

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Speaker 2: we're not getting him anywhere.

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Speaker 7: No, I didn't mean literally, but yes.

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Speaker 2: I will lobby for that. I will tell them that

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Speaker 2: you should send your guy that you signed up to

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Speaker 2: do this to go do that.

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Speaker 7: You can start a gouf on maybe.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited, like, what is it like a couple

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars tops to send them down?

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Speaker 4: If you know you do it for free.

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Speaker 7: You can sleep on my couch.

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Speaker 4: We sleep on Evans floor.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, that's cot. That's fat business. If you

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Speaker 2: ask me, I agreed. It's going on over there, Paul.

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Speaker 6: It's your station, it is my station. They don't treat

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Speaker 6: me any better.

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Speaker 2: Oh all right, all right, you know you can there.

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Speaker 6: You got one more Felgermas in me? Not tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't bring it down in New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: Oh really? Yeah, all right, that's gonna be it. We

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Speaker 2: will talk to you Thursday.

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