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Speaker 5: But that's I think really the sweet spot where I'm

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Speaker 4: Does it?

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Speaker 1: The world who are like, aren't you worried about it

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Speaker 1: This is the best that I can do.

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Speaker 3: He gave you at least fifteen PPR points and thirty

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Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey number one overall.

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Speaker 1: Check that.

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Speaker 3: If it's a two quarterback league or a super flex league,

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Speaker 3: But in the other league's other formats, I'm starting one quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with McCaffrey.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely sean any disagreement, there any any further things

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Speaker 4: No no hesitation for me. And you know, you always

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Speaker 2: Take Christian McCaffrey. Number one. That is not advice. People

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Speaker 5: I got something for. Ya'na start with you, Dave. Here's

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Speaker 5: the real question. Okay, you take Christian McCaffrey first. You're great,

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Speaker 5: You're in a great spot. You're sitting there late in

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Speaker 2: Do you handcuff? And who's the guy?

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Speaker 3: I wasn't impressed with Chewba Hubbard. Not that impressed with

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Speaker 1: I was in Indy for that preseason game, and so

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Speaker 1: I thought he was all right. I didn't think he

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Speaker 3: Yes, if I've got seven plus bench spots, not including

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Speaker 3: But it's got to be in like round sixteen plus Sean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hubbard for me, And I don't think you necessarily

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Speaker 4: need to own CMC to target him. We saw last

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Speaker 4: So he's not necessarily a handcuff, just he's a high

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like the call of drafting Hubbard pretty much

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Speaker 2: Like this is their guy.

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Speaker 5: it's actually who's his handcuf who's gonna play if he

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Speaker 5: number two. There's some debate up for that. You have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm leaning toward format.

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Speaker 3: If it's PPR half PPR, I'll take Dalvin Cook. I

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Speaker 1: More efficient Derrick Henry should really be exciting. The fantasy managers.

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Speaker 3: And the downside to Henry is that he's had four

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Speaker 1: So in non PPR, I like him a little bit better.

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Speaker 3: But when those catches count, Dalvin Cook is my guy

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Speaker 5: And what are your thoughts on on Kamara? Is he

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Speaker 1: Now he's my three in PPR.

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Speaker 1: You've got to throw it to Alvin Kamara. We need

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Speaker 1: you to throw it to Alvin Kamara please, because we

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Speaker 3: and so I would go McCaffrey, Henry, Cook, Zeke, Kamara, Kamara.

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Speaker 1: Do I say that right? They do? I mess up again?

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Speaker 3: McCaffrey one, Henry two, Cook three, Zeke four, Kamara five.

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Speaker 4: to have to give the ball to Kamara. They don't

438
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 4: have a choice. Sean Payton isn't stupid. He's gonna scheme

439
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 4: up a ton of passing work for Kamara. So I think,

440
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 4: you know, you can't go wrong with either one third

441
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 4: off the board and half PPR then PPR. I think

442
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 4: Kamara's number two actually just barely over Dalvin Cook. You

443
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 4: know he's made for PPR formats, and then Henry's pretty

444
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 4: much in his own tier at number four in PPR.

445
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 4: He takes a massive, massive hit in PPR formats. So

446
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 4: that's that's how I'm approaching these three backs in the

447
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 4: different scoring systems.

448
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind of works out in a way in

449
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 5: that you could kind of like, if you have the

450
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 5: number two pick, depending on the three different scoring systems,

451
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 5: you could conceivably go with, you know, three different guys.

452
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 5: You could go Camara in full, Dalvin in half, and

453
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,640
Speaker 5: then Henry and standard, and I think you'd be fine.

454
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 5: You'd be making the right pick either way. And in

455
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 5: Kamara is just I think, you know, I.

456
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 2: Like to get him.

457
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 5: Number two, especially in PPR, just because you look at

458
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 5: his splits without Michael Thomas and he averages twenty PPR

459
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 5: points you know normally, but thirty without Michael Thomas.

460
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: Now will that be this will not hold up without

461
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: Drew Brees.

462
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 5: Maybe not, but there's just such a huge ceiling because

463
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 5: he has to be their entire offense that and it's

464
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 5: like he's still a top four pick, so it's not

465
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 5: like you're really taking a risk there anyway. So I

466
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 5: like to sometimes take that upside for him number two,

467
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 5: and he actually was the lightest used of the three

468
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 5: of those three guys, so you know, maybe a tiny

469
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 5: bit less injury risk, but yeah, love all those guys

470
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 5: love getting a top four pick. Then it gets interesting,

471
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 5: then it gets really interesting. So Dave, now I'm curious

472
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 5: about you said you would actually take Zeke over Camara

473
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 5: in standard to talk to me about Zeke in general,

474
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 5: and then why in standard?

475
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 3: Well, when you think about stacked boxes and how running

476
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: backs do against those lighter boxes, Zeke is kind of

477
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: proof positive that you can be very successful, especially behind

478
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: a big offensive line with really big guards.

479
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: I think he's got that there where We're all.

480
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 3: Very excited about Dak Prescott coming back and throwing to

481
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: Ceedee Lamb and Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup, but this

482
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: is a team that will lean on its running backs.

483
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: And before Dak got hurt last year.

484
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: I wish I could bring it up on got it.

485
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 3: I got it somewhere around on my machine, but just

486
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: unbelievably consistent from game to game. Before last year, his

487
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 3: career success rate in non PPR was ninety one percent.

488
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 3: You're looking for ten non PPR points he gave you

489
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: that fifty one out of fifty six games through twenty nineteen,

490
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 3: and then he was five or five with Prescott last year.

491
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 3: So a non PPR, I think you can look at

492
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: Ezekiel Elliott is as close to a sure thing as

493
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: you can get. He's a little bit older, but not

494
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: too old. He's a little bit leaner, which might make

495
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: you worry a little bit about how he.

496
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: Could hold up over the course of the season.

497
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: And you could always, you know, make a suggestion about

498
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard and how he'll do. But I think Ezekiel

499
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: Elliott is in line for another really good year. And

500
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 3: if he catches forty five passes on top of sixteen

501
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 3: hundred total yards and twelve or thirteen touchdowns, he probably

502
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 3: won't finish that far off from Alvin Kamara and half

503
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 3: in full PPR either. So I'm pretty bullish on Ezekiel Elliott.

504
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: There are a lot of people that are scared to

505
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: take him. I don't really know what quite happened last

506
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: year in terms of his own skill set. He was

507
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 3: fumbling all over the place. I think he was nervous

508
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: to run because of his offensive This is what this

509
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: is my take. It's not what I've heard, But my

510
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: take is that the offensive line failing, the quarterback getting hurt,

511
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: defense is changing.

512
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: The way they.

513
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 3: Played against the Cowboys changed the way that Zeke played

514
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 3: and he became a little bit more tentative, and then

515
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: he tried to force things a little bit on top

516
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 3: of that, and maybe that's when the fumbles happened. I

517
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: think that changes this year as long as Dak is

518
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: healthy and the O line.

519
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the line is a big part

520
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 2: of it.

521
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 5: I mean, last year, as far as injuries go, just

522
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 5: it was just a nightmare scenario. I mean I remember

523
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 5: the Cowboys going through like four or five different centers

524
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 5: and it was just it was like everything that could

525
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 5: go wrong, you know, did go wrong in that sense

526
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 5: because you already watched your quarterback. Now you're losing your

527
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: your old lineman. Like it was just it was it

528
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 5: was rough. Sean, what are your thoughts on on Zeke?

529
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 5: And then I know you said you would take Nick

530
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 5: Chubb over Zeke, so talk talk a little a little

531
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 5: bit about that.

532
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was just for standard formats, and you know,

533
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 4: I would consider them a toss separately. But I do

534
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 4: think Zeke is going to have a monster season. You know,

535
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: he gets Dak healthy, uh, he gets his O line

536
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: back healthy, and he's due for some massive positive touchdown aggression.

537
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 4: Last year, he only scored five touchdowns on twenty six

538
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 4: carries inside the five yard line. Your average running back

539
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: we would expect close to ten touchdowns on that many

540
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: attempts inside of the five. I don't consider Zeke to

541
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 4: be average, especially on the goal line, so I think

542
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 4: he's due for massive positive toucho on aggression there. You know,

543
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 4: as Dave mentioned, defenses are gonna have to try to

544
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 4: slow this passing game, so Zeke's gonna have plenty of

545
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: holes to run through. I love him this year, so yeah,

546
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 4: don't worry about my my standard rankings. I think half

547
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 4: PPR formats, he's clearly the number five back for me.

548
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 3: Let me just give you the consistency numbers one last

549
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: time for Zeke and this is just my selling point

550
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: on him. In his last sixty one games with Dak Prescott,

551
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: and I believe that's four years and then includes the

552
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: five games together last year. Ten plus non PPR points

553
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: ninety one point eight percent of the time, you would

554
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: have to be really picky. That's like saying I've got

555
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: a girl for you to date, and she's a nine

556
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: out of ten and you go, sorry, I only date tens.

557
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: And then with PPR fifteen plus and PPR.

558
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: He's done that fifty in his last sixty one with

559
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: Dak that's eighty two percent. These are other worldly numbers,

560
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: and so counting on that type of consist since even

561
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: if he takes a step back, he'll be great. So

562
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 3: I wouldn't worry about Ezekiel Elliott at all. I think

563
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: he's worth that top five overall pick.

564
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: Yep, Yeah, he's really like emergedes my, you know, RB five.

565
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 5: Like earlier in the offseason, there are a couple of

566
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 5: guys I was thinking about up there, but now, really

567
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 5: the guy that if I'm not taking Zeke fifth overall,

568
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 5: the guy I'm taking instead of him is Davonte Adams.

569
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 5: I'm going, I'm just going to a different position. Like

570
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 5: it's not about there's no running back that I want

571
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 5: after those top four more than than Zeke.

572
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: And that's a really good point.

573
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 5: You know, his whole entire career was played with Dak Prescott,

574
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 5: who's been a pretty strong quarterback.

575
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he catches a lot of flag.

576
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 5: But I mean since since year one he was efficient,

577
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 5: did not throw interceptions, and gave opposing defenses enough to.

578
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: Worry about that.

579
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 5: You know, you couldn't just completely zero in on Zeke

580
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 5: or he would beat you. So I think, you know,

581
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 5: getting Dak back that's kind of key because you know

582
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: Andy Alton last year, and then you know they had

583
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 5: a couple other guys starting De Nuchie for games. It

584
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 5: was just again, everything that could go wrong did go wrong.

585
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm on board with Zeke here for the

586
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 5: RB five. Travis kelce Travis Kelcey is a guy that

587
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 5: goes especially in a lot of high stakes leagues.

588
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: I see him.

589
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 5: Going in the first front.

590
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: Half of the first round.

591
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 5: Some more casual leagues, he may still go toward the

592
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 5: middle of the back end. But Dave, what are your

593
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 5: thoughts on Travis kelce How high should he be going?

594
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 5: Have you found yourself taken a lot of him or not.

595
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: I see him as a tight end who's finished number

596
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: one at his position in PPR points per game each

597
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: of the last five years. You want to talk about consistency,

598
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: that's the old one, that's the ten out of ten.

599
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: I My style is to go after running backs in

600
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: round one usually, but when I get to a point

601
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: where there I feel like there's like a little drop

602
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: off at running back, that's.

603
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: When I'll go to Kelsey. I think Kelsey is as

604
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: safe as it gets.

605
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: I think he's safer than DeVonta Adams, which is saying

606
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: something because Devanta Adams has been a number one wide

607
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: receiver in PPR points pering game two of the last

608
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: three years. Kelsey's just managed to do it five straight

609
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: years at a position that's really hard to get great

610
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: production from in fantasy. So I'm excited to have Travis

611
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: Kelcey on my squad. I'm gonna pull up my PPR

612
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: rankings and tell you who I would take ahead of them,

613
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: and go ahead in your own mind and say yeah,

614
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: I agree, Yeah, I agree, Oh I disagree, and then

615
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: maybe you'll have an idea on where you're comfortable taking

616
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey. So here we go, McCaffrey, I'm taking ahead

617
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: of him, Cook Kamara, Henry Zeke, taking those guys ahead

618
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: of Kelsey too. I'm taking Aaron Jones ahead of him.

619
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm taking Jonathan Taylor ahead of him. I'm taking Austin

620
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: Eckler ahead of him, and for now I'm taking Saquon

621
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: Barkley ahead of him. Barkley coming off the pup list

622
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: gave me a little bit of optimism enough to say, Okay,

623
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: maybe he's got a shot at putting up another banner year.

624
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: There's obviously risk there when you take a Saquon Barkley,

625
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: he can end up busting on you. So for example,

626
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: let's just say you're cool with those first seven names

627
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: I gave you, but when it comes or the eight

628
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: names or the first eight names I gave you because

629
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: I threw Ecklern there too, but not Barkley.

630
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: Well, now you've made your red line in the round one.

631
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Now you know where you can put Travis Kelcey.

632
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, it's you know, I think it's the thing

633
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 5: is it's going to be there's usually somebody in the

634
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 5: draft that's taken him like earlier, then at least I

635
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 5: want to take him.

636
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: So usually he comes.

637
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 5: Off the board right after like a DeVante or you know,

638
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 5: sometimes even before as high as like fourth or fifth.

639
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: So I haven't been able to get much of him.

640
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 5: Sean, I'm curious what are your thoughts on Kelsey and

641
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 5: how have you been able to actually draft him a

642
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 5: bunch this season.

643
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think he deserves to go fifth overall.

644
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: You know, when I look at my projected points, it's

645
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: about an eighty point drop off between him and the

646
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: tight end four, whereas you know wide receiver and eighty

647
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: point drop off is wide receiver one all the way

648
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: down to wide receiver twenty five. So I think you know,

649
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 4: when you look at but you know the projection drop off,

650
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: it certainly makes sense that he should be a top

651
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: five pick. However, I think, just with my draft strategy,

652
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: if you have the fifth pick, you might get Darren

653
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 4: Waller to you know, he'll probably fall to you in

654
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: round two. That might be a little too early to

655
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 4: take him, but you could probably get Darren Waller in

656
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 4: round three. So I rather just roll the dice and

657
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 4: see if I can get a massive value like Darren

658
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: Waller round three. Whereas if you're taking Kelsey at pick five,

659
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: you're almost drafting him closer to his ceiling. So I'd

660
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: probably lean towards a running back or wide receiver there.

661
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: I think that really the sweet spot for Kelsey is

662
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 4: picks you know, seven through twelve. That's where I've been

663
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: getting him because a guy like Darren Waller's not going

664
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: to make it back to you round three. So that's

665
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: why I think it makes it even more critical to

666
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 4: take a guy like Kelsey somewhere between pick seven and

667
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: pick twelve.

668
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, the interesting thing about Kelsey is this is his

669
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 5: first year, like square, are we in the first round?

670
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 5: Like last year? Sometimes he would go in the first round.

671
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: A lot of times he would go by the turn.

672
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 5: Uh And if you look at the the best ball

673
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: win rates with Kelsey, I believe he was the most

674
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 5: you know, the profitable player. But it was because teams

675
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 5: were able to pair him with a guy like Devontae Adams,

676
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 5: pair him with a guy with a with a high

677
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 5: end running back somebody you know, now, you're not gonna

678
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 5: if you're drafting Kelsey, where he a lot of times

679
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 5: goes in the you know, early to mid first round.

680
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 5: You know by the time the guys that make it

681
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 5: back to you, there's not gonna be really a sure

682
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 5: thing at running back the way there is, you know,

683
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 5: more so in that in the first round.

684
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a little tougher.

685
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 5: I tend to stay away for that reason and because

686
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 5: I'm really looking for my like that overall league winner

687
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 5: in that in that first round, right, And so if

688
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: I'm trying to choose between, okay, the overall tight end

689
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 5: one even with the drop off, versus the overall wide

690
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 5: receiver one or the overall running back one, I'm gonna

691
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 5: try to shoot for that wide receiver or running back

692
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 5: because like last year, for example, the number one receiver

693
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 5: was Devonte Adams, he had three hundred and fifty eight

694
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 5: PPR points.

695
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: Travis Kelce was a number one tight end and he had.

696
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 5: Three hundred and thirteen PPR points, So that's about a

697
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 5: forty five point difference. Alvin Kamara the RB one in

698
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 5: PPR three seventy eight PPR points, So that's about, you know,

699
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 5: over sixty points separating them. And in twenty nineteen there

700
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: are about a dozen guys that beat out Kelsey even

701
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 5: though he finished, that beat out the tight end one.

702
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: So you know, it's it's tough for a.

703
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 5: Tight end, even in an all time great season to

704
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 5: score on par with these other with the running backs

705
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 5: and wide receivers, and Kelsey, the fact that he's even

706
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 5: come close is just a testament to how good he

707
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 5: him and Mahomes and that connection is. But I think

708
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 5: I think to Shawn's point, you know, you're you're drafting

709
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 5: him at his ceiling here, and that's not something I

710
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: really want to do.

711
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm with you, Dave.

712
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 5: I'm looking for the running backs early, and then Devonte

713
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 5: is that guy for me, just because because I think

714
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 5: he can give you that score that's on par you know,

715
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 5: if if i'm if those top four running backs are gone,

716
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 5: I think he can give you that score that if

717
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 5: it doesn't beat those top four running backs, it still

718
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 5: beats everyone else, whereas I think Kelsey still comes up.

719
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 5: You know, I haven't projected, projected, you know, a couple

720
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 5: points per game below those guys.

721
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, I haven't been able to get much Kelsey. Uh,

722
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: don't hate it.

723
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 5: It's just it's more of like a best ball, you know,

724
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 5: thing for me trying to get some diversified portfolios and

725
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 5: things like that. And in a regular redraft league, I

726
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 5: don't I guess it would be fair to say we

727
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 5: don't recommend people taking Kelsey like uh until he drops right,

728
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 5: like until he's at the end of the round.

729
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: I think.

730
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you can get him there, more power

731
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: to you.

732
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 5: But it's it's it's been tough to get him in, uh,

733
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: his teammates Tyreek Hill. He's kind of you know, in

734
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 5: that conversation with Davante Adams, at least earlier in the

735
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 5: offseason when there was that question mark of is Aaron

736
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 5: Rodgers going to play this season? Now Aaron Rodgers is back,

737
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: that moves DeVante ahead of him. Dave, what are your

738
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 5: thoughts on Hill, how he compares to Kelsey, how he

739
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: compares to Adams, how he compares to the other running

740
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: backs if you can get in the first round at

741
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 5: his ADP.

742
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: So he's behind pretty much everybody that we're talking about

743
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: right after Kelsey in my PPR rankings is Davante Adams

744
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: because of the finishes that Devanta Adams has had, the

745
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: consistency that he's had the last four years in PPR,

746
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: he's finished his wide receiver one. This is in points

747
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 3: per game, not overall points, first, sixth, first, and twelfth

748
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 3: last four years, and the twelfth one sucked Rogers wasn't.

749
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: Healthy that year.

750
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: I think he's worth a first round pick. And if

751
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: you're drawing that red line for where you'll take Kelsey,

752
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: but you're a pick later than where that red line is,

753
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: and someone takes Kelsey in front of you and you're

754
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: looking for that safe player who might not be a

755
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: running back.

756
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: I think Devanta Adams is.

757
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: It in PPR, but in non PPR and half PPR,

758
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 3: I would say Dvante's that guy non PPR.

759
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: I'm going to lean toward Tyreek. I think Tyreek has.

760
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: Been close enough to where Devanta Adams has been in

761
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: non PPR points per game each of the last four years.

762
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: One of the years he was way ahead of Devanta Adams.

763
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: That was that year that Rogers got hurt. But just

764
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: as an example, last year, Davante seventeen non PPR points

765
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: per game, Tyreek fifteen point three. They were first and

766
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 3: second in non PPR points per game twenty nineteen ten

767
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: point four for Davante, ten point three for Tyreek. So

768
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: they were basically the same. Twenty eighteen. DeVante was fourteen

769
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: point two, Tyreek was fourteen point three. He was first

770
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: and Davante was second. I think that one of the

771
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: reasons why I'm down on Aaron Rodgers this year is

772
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: because his schedule is going to be tougher, his offensive

773
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: line isn't going to be as good, and I think

774
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: that Devanta Adams is certainly somebody who's right for some regression.

775
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: But I still think he's going to get a ton

776
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: of targets. So I'm talking out of both sides in

777
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: my mouth with Devanta Adams. But those targets they mean a.

778
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: Lot to me.

779
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: When it comes to PPR, that means a lot of catches.

780
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: Tyres won't have as many catches, but Tyreek should have

781
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 3: more yards. Nothing's really changing in that Kansas City offense.

782
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: In fact, their offensive line got better. They'll be able

783
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: to protect Patrick Mahomes more. I don't think they're going

784
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: to improve that offensive line and say well, let's run

785
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: the football more. They want the ball in Patrick Mahomes' hands.

786
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: So Tyreek non PPR only is ahead of Devanta Adams.

787
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: It basically means I'm not taking Devanta Adams in non

788
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: PPR leagues.

789
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's interesting because that's actually how my projection shape

790
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 5: out too. It's you know, Devonte clear edge in PPR,

791
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 5: but those touchdown that touchdown projection from Tyreek in standard

792
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 5: leagues and combined with just that yardage upside, you know,

793
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: he's obviously getting more per catch. You know, It's just

794
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 5: it does give him a little bit more upside Sean,

795
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 5: where are you on on tyger Q?

796
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think it's it's really a toss up

797
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: between these two guys. I would give the edge, the

798
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 4: slight edge to Devonte Adams and half PPR. He was

799
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: a little bit more consistent last year. He finished as

800
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: a wide receiver one fifty percent of the time, whereas

801
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 4: Tyreek finished as a wide receiver one forty seven percent

802
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: of the time. He had that one massive fifty one

803
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: point game against Tampa Bay. That's kind of what you

804
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: get with Tyreek is a much much higher ceiling. But

805
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 4: you know DeVante is gonna hit his ceiling a bit

806
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: more often, So I like that a bit more. And

807
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: you know, head to head format, season long format, so

808
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: can't go wrong with either. I probably lean fifty four

809
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 4: percent of the time going with Adams here over Tyreek.

810
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 4: I think Rayvon, You've made a good point that considering

811
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: this is probably the last season for Aaron Rodgers and

812
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 4: DeVante Adams, it Winn's prize me if he targets Adams

813
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 4: even more this year, just to prove a point. But

814
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: you know, Rogers is probably due for some slight touchdown

815
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 4: reggression himself. He had an insane nine point one percent

816
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: touchdown rate last year. But still, you know, Adams is

817
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: his guy in the red zone. So I think we

818
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: kind of know what we're gonna get with Adams. Again,

819
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: I don't think you go wrong with either guy as

820
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: soon as is you know, the fifth pick. Just based

821
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: on my draft strategy, I think it's okay taking one

822
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 4: of these guys inside the top five.

823
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

824
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 5: The thing I love about Adams is it's like, because

825
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 5: he's not making these huge plays like Tyreek, they're still

826
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 5: getting down the field, so it's just like a couple

827
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 5: added perceptions, Like they'll get the same yardage, but it's

828
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 5: just Devonte will need a couple extra receptions to get

829
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 5: it because he's.

830
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: Not like the super human speed freak.

831
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 5: But that can work against Tyrek in like full PPR formats,

832
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 5: because you know Devonte will have a drive, but he'll

833
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 5: get like, you know, three five catches for seventy yards

834
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 5: and a touchdown, and Tyreek will be like one catch

835
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 5: seventy yards and a touchdown. He's almost too good, right,

836
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 5: He's too good literally, Like so.

837
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: Having Malmes as his quarterback helps a little bit too.

838
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that helps.

839
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean and DeVante. You know, it's the

840
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 5: reason I like him over Zeke, especially in full PPR,

841
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 5: or at least I take him more often than that.

842
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: It's not like one hundred percent, but I take it

843
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 5: more often than Zeke is because when you look at

844
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 5: their floors, I just think, you know, regardless of what

845
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 5: my projection is for Zeke this year, in the first round, especially,

846
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: but early in the draft, you're you're trying not to

847
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 5: take too many risks, and just that the floor separates

848
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 5: it for me.

849
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: Whereas we've seen Zeke's kind of floor and.

850
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 5: What can go wrong and how it looks when it

851
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: goes wrong a little more recently than we've seen it

852
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 5: with DeVante, and so that's really the only thing separating

853
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 5: those two guys. But yeah, Tyreek Hill, I mean, it's

854
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: just he's a fun guy to own, maybe even more

855
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 5: fun than Devonte, just because you do have that fifty

856
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 5: points stealing. But yeah, Swight edged to Devonte for me

857
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 5: in all but standard Leagues's let's talk about.

858
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: Some other receivers.

859
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 5: We'll get back to the running backs and Saquon and

860
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 5: all those guys in the second.

861
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: But Dave, you have Calvin Ridley.

862
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 5: Sometimes he goes in the top five some teams he

863
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 5: goes in the top four, and you also have DK

864
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 5: Metcalf creeping up there too.

865
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: Do you like any of those guys before.

866
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 5: Stefan Diggs or DeAndre Hopkins And how do you kind

867
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 5: of reproach those guys? Are you drafting a lot of

868
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 5: them or are you kind of going running back there?

869
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm going running back pretty frequently there, so I'm taking

870
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: the aggressive approach of trying to win that running back

871
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: position rather than going with the safe play at wide receiver.

872
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: And I think I think there are all safe plays.

873
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: I can kind of make the case against DeAndre as

874
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: a not as safe as.

875
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: Last year type of play.

876
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: But the way Buffalo's rolling that offense is going through

877
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: Josh Allen. I'm not touching the Bills running backs unless

878
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: it's around thirty six. Maybe I'll take Maybe I'll take

879
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: Devin Singletary in round twenty two. But I think Josh

880
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: Allen is throwing and I think Diggs is his target.

881
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: Half the reason why Allen had the breakout here was

882
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: because he got Stefan Diggs and those intermediate targets.

883
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: Even when they weren't necessarily on.

884
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 3: Target, they started getting caught and there were plays after

885
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 3: the catch, and it made a huge difference for Josh

886
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: Allen's numbers, but also for Stefon Diggs numbers.

887
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: So he's three for me.

888
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: I watched Ridley practice yesterday against the Dolphins in Miami,

889
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: and he was crushing that secondary, and you know that

890
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: secondary is good. And that was on the second day

891
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: of the practice. The first day he was crushing him

892
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: just as much. Calvin Ridley, to me, he's a lock

893
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 3: for a ton of targets. I think he's an easy

894
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: guy to go ahead and take as one of the

895
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: top five receivers. I currently have DeAndre Hopkins next up,

896
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: and I've got him and AJ Brown ahead of DK Metcalf,

897
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: and I could stand to spend sixty seconds on both

898
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: of those receivers, Hopkins and Metcalf.

899
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and be a little quicker than that.

900
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: Hopkins is sharing a little bit more. I think Rondell

901
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: Moore is real. I think AJ Green might be real too,

902
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: And I think Chase Edmonds and his role in the

903
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: passing game is going to be a real thing. The

904
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: offense in Arizona is going to flow through Kyler Murray,

905
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 3: just like the offense in Buffalo flows through Josh Allen,

906
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: and so there's going to be a little bit more

907
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: competition for targets for Hopkins. That means that he should

908
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: be a little bit more efficient, But it wouldn't surprise

909
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: me if his target shared dipped just a little bit.

910
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: I still have him fifth, but definitely behind Digs and Ridley.

911
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: And then with DK Metcalf, we know that the Seattle

912
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: offense is supposed to go up tempo, quick pace. They

913
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: want Russ to get rid of the ball quickly. I

914
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 3: think that helps Dk because he's a guy that you

915
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: just look at his body. He's somebody that can break

916
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 3: tackles and make plays after the catch. When they were

917
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: in the red zone last year, I want to say

918
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: that DK Metcalf had fourteen targets from Wilson when Wilson

919
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: threw it under two and a half seconds. So we're

920
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 3: talking about like screens and slants, real short routes where

921
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: they're asking the receiver to make a play after the catch,

922
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 3: and Metcalf was a monster in that regard in terms

923
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: of targets in the red zone. It didn't necessarily reflect

924
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: itself in touchdowns.

925
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: He had a lot of them.

926
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: But he didn't necessarily score every single time he had

927
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: one of those types of targets in the red zone.

928
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: But he's someone that's going to be featured there, and

929
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: I think the case can be made that the Seahawks

930
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: will throw more than they have in the past. DK

931
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: will be the top target getter in that offense, be

932
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: behind them, but when they get in the red zone,

933
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: that's where the focus is going to be and defenses

934
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: will know it and the Seahawks won't care because DK

935
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: Metcalf is that damn good of a receiver in terms

936
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: of size, speed and having that my ball mentality when

937
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: it's up in the air that it just leaves defenses

938
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 3: in a no win position.

939
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dk, I mean he, He and Ridley stand out

940
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: as those guys that could really finish. You know, obviously

941
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 5: the others have already proven it, but those guys that

942
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 5: could finish as the number one receiver overall, like if

943
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: they just you know, have one of those years where

944
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 5: the targets just go way up for whatever reason, you know,

945
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 5: I could see Ridley leading the league in targets. I

946
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 5: think for an Atlanta team that you know, their defense

947
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 5: probably not going to be too great. You know, Matt

948
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 5: Ryan has had Julio all these years to be a

949
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 5: target hig and now you're dealing. I mean, you have

950
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts, but he's a rookie. And then every like

951
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 5: you know, in the backfield, you don't really have a

952
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 5: guy that you want to give like eighty catches too,

953
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 5: so it could be a monster year.

954
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: And then and then.

955
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 5: DK Metcalf, I mean he's just if he's just good,

956
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: Like he can go deep. He has a quarterback that

957
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: throws thirty plus touchdowns year and year out and can

958
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 5: throw the deep ball better than pretty much anyone in

959
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 5: the history of the game. So I love both of

960
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 5: those guys. Sean, what are your thoughts on Ridley on DK?

961
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 5: And when are you taking them? Like who's on the

962
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 5: board when you're saying, okay, I want to take those

963
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 5: guys instead of the running backs.

964
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have these guys ranked in half depr digs, Ridley, Hopkins, Metcalf,

965
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: And you know, last year it was way more fun

966
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 4: being able to get Ridley around wide receiver fifteen. I

967
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: think DK Medcalf is like wide receiver twelve side, way

968
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: more shares of them last year. You know, for me,

969
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: I'm okay with taking any of these guys sort of

970
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: early round two after you have a good running back.

971
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 4: But for me, the dream start to a draft is

972
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 4: having a top four pick, getting one of the top

973
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 4: running backs, and then having one of these guys, usually

974
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 4: it's dk Metcalf fall to me in round two, and

975
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 4: then getting Darren Waller in round three. That is the

976
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 4: dream start for me in a draft. And you know,

977
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 4: Dave made some good points about dk Metcalf. Uh, you

978
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 4: know I love him this year. He's gonna have a

979
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 4: year three breakout, so if you can get him at

980
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: the end of round two. Basically I have these four

981
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: base they're in their own tier. I haven't projected almost evenly.

982
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 4: So getting dk Metcalf as the last receiver out of

983
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: this tier I think is the play because I think

984
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: his upside this year is through the roof. So he's

985
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 4: the guy I've been getting the most out of this tier.

986
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I mentioned it earlier, but I love

987
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 5: getting a top four pick because when I get a

988
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 5: top four pick, I usually end up using a strategy

989
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 5: which you know people are calling a hero RB I

990
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 5: guess now, where like you get one running back early

991
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 5: and then you just kind of you don't touch it

992
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 5: in really until you don't go in the middle rounds

993
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 5: in that frozen pond here, you avoid it and then

994
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 5: you just draft all receivers and hope maybe a stud

995
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 5: tight end and you pick it back up and try

996
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 5: to get your your second run back maybe you know,

997
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: in the sixth or the seventh or maybe the fifth

998
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 5: if somebody falls to you. But you're you're you're using

999
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 5: those high leverage rounds on pass catchers, and I think

1000
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 5: you can have a really great start from those top

1001
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 5: four picks when you go, as Sean said, I mean, uh,

1002
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 5: a top four back, and then you can get like

1003
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 5: a DK or aj Brown or a Justin Jefferson or

1004
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 5: maybe a Hopkins even and and still get a Kiddle

1005
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 5: or a Waller. So you can have potentially, you know,

1006
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 5: if things break right. You know, I know Travis Kelsey

1007
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 5: has been killing, but you can have like a top two,

1008
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 5: top one two guy at each position, or guys that

1009
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 5: and guys that are that are truly challenged for that

1010
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 5: top overall spot at three different positions. So I think

1011
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 5: there's a big edge to kind of getting one of

1012
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: those four those top four picks if you.

1013
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: Don't have one.

1014
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 5: I think that like the end, like drafting your to

1015
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 5: the end of the first round, that's when I double

1016
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 5: up on running backs to most, I think, what about you, Dave,

1017
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 5: Like when when you find yourself like doubling up? Is

1018
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: it just throughout or is there any spot in particular

1019
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 5: where you see yourself doubling up on RB more.

1020
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: I mean I do it very frequently, certainly toward the

1021
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: back half of round one. I already told you that

1022
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: I'm taking a lot of running backs ahead of Travis Kelcey.

1023
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: So let's say I'm picking eighth and Austin Eckler's there,

1024
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm taking Austin Eckler, and then when I come back

1025
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: around in round two, sometimes mixing is there, be happy

1026
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: to have him. Sometimes Chubb is there even in PPR.

1027
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: Love to take him there. For now, I'm cool with

1028
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: Najie Harris. I need to keep watching that offensive line.

1029
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit worried that that offensive line could

1030
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: harpoon everything in Pittsburgh and that would be problematic, and

1031
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: even somebody as talented as Nase could fall prey to

1032
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: that offensive line not being great because defenses will be

1033
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: able to attack. But yeah, usually I'm finding one of

1034
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 3: those running backs. Gibson is one of those running backs.

1035
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: Gibson I've got ranked as a top twelve guy in

1036
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: non PPR, and I actually have him at twelve in

1037
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 3: full PPR. I'm taking him ahead of Tyreek Hill because

1038
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: I do believe in his role in that Washington offense growing,

1039
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: and I think as crazy as his touchdown rate was

1040
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 3: last year, I think there's room for it to Maybe

1041
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: it might come down a little bit, but his carries

1042
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 3: will go up so that it could end up staying

1043
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: the same and be a double digit touchdown guy. So

1044
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: that's somebody else that I'm especially excited to take as

1045
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 3: my second running back. Usually I'm going running back running

1046
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: back when I'm in the back of round one, and

1047
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: when I'm in that first range of one through four

1048
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: in PPR, that's usually going to be more of running

1049
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: back tight end, unless a Gibson, a Chubb, a mix

1050
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 3: and and sometimes a Harris slides to me in round two.

1051
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, the pick kind of dictates that running back running

1052
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 5: back start. I think late because it's it's a little

1053
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 5: early when you're picking in the front half of the

1054
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 5: second or you know, very early in the second, especially

1055
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 5: to go with to go with a guy like Waller, Like,

1056
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 5: it's just you know, there's a little more value at

1057
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 5: running back and even at wide receiver. I think I

1058
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 5: think that middle of the second is usually the earliest

1059
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 5: i'd go. I prefer to get him, you know, near

1060
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 5: that much closer to the turn. And also you don't

1061
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 5: because you don't have that top four guy, you really

1062
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 5: I think it makes a little more sense to then

1063
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 5: take like the double shot at two guys that you know,

1064
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 5: if worst comes the worst, you you know, maybe you

1065
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 5: still get like this, your second guy's like a top

1066
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 5: twenty guy or something like that.

1067
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 3: But right one because of them, yeah, one of them

1068
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 3: is okay and the other one is great.

1069
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1070
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: Kind it's not the worst case scenario obviously, but it's

1071
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: probably the more.

1072
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 3: Likely scenario than both of them being great or both

1073
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: of them sucking.

1074
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1075
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: So one one will hit their ADP and the other

1076
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: one will probably disappoint you a little bit, not too bad.

1077
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 5: If you go back to twenty fourteen, the like if

1078
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 5: you look at top ten running backs, the median overall

1079
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 5: average draft position for a running back that goes on

1080
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 5: to finish in the top ten is pick nineteen.

1081
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: So that means but.

1082
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 5: By the time you get to the end of the

1083
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 5: second round, more than half of the eventual like top ten,

1084
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 5: not even this is not even top three, like top ten,

1085
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 5: running backs will.

1086
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: Be already selected.

1087
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 5: So that's why I think it makes sense to to go,

1088
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 5: you know, double up early on. And again, like if

1089
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 5: there's only three, there's really well, if you're not taking

1090
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 5: Kelsey in the first there's only two studs tight end,

1091
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 5: so you know there's still a really good chance that

1092
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 5: you're not going to get one even if you want one.

1093
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 5: And so I don't think I think you're gonna like

1094
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 5: the way your team looks if you start running back

1095
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 5: running back and then you can go you go wide receivers,

1096
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 5: and then in the next three I think that's going

1097
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 5: to be a really solid team.

1098
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: I agree, mock it.

1099
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: If you're not sure about what what Chris just said,

1100
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: find a site, mock it, and then decide if you

1101
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: like it.

1102
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 5: Speaking to decide and if we like it is Sean

1103
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,959
Speaker 5: and I have been kind of anti Saquon. I think,

1104
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 5: all right, a lot of people aren't, a lot of

1105
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 5: people are really excited. He uh, he came off the

1106
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 5: pup list and now he's a he's a first round

1107
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 5: pick who's gonna put up like two thousand scrimmageized.

1108
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: Where they Where are you on Saquon?

1109
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 5: And I'll give you my take it the end, because

1110
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 5: I don't want to kind of any more than that,

1111
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 5: just but like, where are you on Saquon?

1112
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: I'm giving him some benefit of the doubt off of

1113
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 3: his twenty nineteen season, because that's twenty eighteen twenty nineteen.

1114
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: You saw what he was able to do.

1115
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: He was amazing, and so he kind of forgive him

1116
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: for getting a torn acl but you can't quite overlook

1117
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: that it's taking him so long to come back from it.

1118
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 3: You knew he wasn't going to play. He could have

1119
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: been perfectly healthy. You knew he wouldn't play in the

1120
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 3: preseason anyway. One of the nippicks that I do have

1121
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: on Saquon, though, is that the track record with Daniel

1122
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: Jones as his quarterback has meant fewer targets. They've played

1123
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: twelve games together, They've averaged four point two targets per

1124
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 3: game in those twelve games.

1125
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: That's a little scary.

1126
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: That's an eleven percent target share in twenty nineteen, But

1127
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: then in twenty twenty when they played you know, one

1128
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: five quarters together or whatever, it was a twenty two

1129
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: percent target share. You're hoping for that, but you can't

1130
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 3: rank him on that. It's way too small to sample size.

1131
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: And some people would say twelve games together is too

1132
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 3: small to sample size. But I think Daniel Jones, I

1133
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 3: think the Giants know that they have to lean on Saquon.

1134
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: Even though they've added all these pieces of their passing game,

1135
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: some of these pieces aren't healthy right now.

1136
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: Gallada is not an hundred percent.

1137
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: Tony isn't all the way back yet, and even when

1138
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: Tony comes back, he's still got a lot to learn.

1139
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: This is a hard headed coaching Steff. That's not going

1140
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: to rush Tony on the field. When you put all

1141
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: their pass catching options in place on the field, Yeah,

1142
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: that should lighten boxes against Saquon, but it's not going

1143
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: to happen right away. And that offensive line, I'm not

1144
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 3: sure if that offensive line Chris and Sean is good

1145
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: enough to make things easy for Saquon where he can

1146
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: get three, four five yards before anybody touches him, like

1147
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: the Patriots were able to get against the Eagles second

1148
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: string defense in their preseason game.

1149
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: This past week. You saw that.

1150
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: You saw that right, like, you can't overrate Patriots running

1151
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 3: backs based on that game.

1152
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: It was a nightmare. And you can't quite overrate Saquon.

1153
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: Because of what he did in the past, but you

1154
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: have to acknowledge it. And so I'm currently okay with

1155
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: him as a late first round pick.

1156
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: You're probably winning or losing your league.

1157
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: Based on Saquon Barkley in round one. You'd much rather

1158
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: take him in round two. Who wouldn't rather have Saquon

1159
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 3: Barkley in round two. But when you're picking Barkley in

1160
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: round one, and maybe this is the case for Kelsey

1161
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 3: out of Barkley, you figure you're going to get somebody

1162
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 3: comparable to what's left from eleventh overall, between eleven and

1163
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: fifteenth overall when you're up in round two, So it

1164
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: almost doesn't matter that you're taking Saquon there because the

1165
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: player that you're getting round two is going to help

1166
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: your roster regardless, And so you're taking the chance on

1167
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: Saquon coming through. He's definitely not as safe as Travis Kelcey.

1168
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: As I'm saying this, I'm thinking maybe I need to

1169
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 3: move Kelsey up and put Saquon behind. That red line

1170
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: that I've been talking about. The upside is there. He

1171
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 3: seems healthy. You look at him in practice, He's moving fine.

1172
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: There's just all that other peripherable issue that make me

1173
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: nervous to say, top five pick. Don't worry about it.

1174
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 3: Takuan is gonna be great. But that potential is there,

1175
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: and you have to acknowledge.

1176
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, the potential is there. I do think it. Like,

1177
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 5: I think you made a really good point about the targets,

1178
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 5: Like I think some of the quote unquote upside that

1179
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 5: people are drafting him, you know, very early for I

1180
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 5: don't think the situation is the same because you know

1181
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 5: they're they're not gonna uh targ I don't he's not

1182
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 5: gonna I don't think he's gonna run a route as

1183
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 5: much like he was just used at such a high

1184
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 5: level of that rookie year, like he was.

1185
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: The only guy on offense.

1186
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 5: I just think it's gonna it's a different offense, it's

1187
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 5: a different coaching staff. You know, it's not Eli Manning,

1188
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 5: who was the king of you know, it was weight career,

1189
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 5: Eui checking down, you know every five seconds, you know,

1190
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 5: it's Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones was like top one of

1191
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 5: the top deep ball throwers, you know, when he got time,

1192
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 5: but you know, the offensive line is what does it

1193
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 5: for me? Because he's that one guy and I don't

1194
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 5: think this should be a concern around one, but he's

1195
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 5: that one guy in round one for me that I

1196
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 5: actually do have concerns not just about the health and

1197
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 5: the availability, you know, but the efficiency because he's had

1198
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 5: five of his fifteen games he's played since the start

1199
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 5: of twenty nineteen have ended with him getting thirty rushing

1200
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 5: yards or less and no rushing touchdowns. So that's because

1201
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 5: the offensive line is like he had a thirteen for

1202
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 5: one game, thirteen carries one yard. He had an eight

1203
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 5: carry ten yard game. You know, like this kid, I

1204
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 5: don't want that out of my number one picking. I

1205
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 5: don't feel like there's anyone else even into round two

1206
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 5: in three, Maybe that that give me that kind of floor, Sean,

1207
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 5: is that kind of where you're at with Saquon two?

1208
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 5: Because I just don't want to take a risk in

1209
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 5: round one. I don't feel like I don't think you're

1210
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 5: gonna be able to get him round three.

1211
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 2: Nope.

1212
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's always somebody else that likes saque more

1213
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 4: than me, so I rarely get him. Now he's gonna avoid. Yes,

1214
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 4: he has our RB one upside, I'm aware of that,

1215
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 4: but you could take elite RB one upsides who are

1216
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: healthy entering the season and Aaron Jones, Aus Sneckler, Nick Chubb. Yeah,

1217
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 4: so Barkley's an avoid for me. You know, Dave made

1218
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 4: a great point. He's going to either win or lose

1219
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 4: your drafts if you take him at the end of

1220
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 4: round one. I don't like taking big gambles like that

1221
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 4: in the first round. I want to take stafer bet

1222
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: like an Aaron Jones, as Knuckler, Nick Chubb. At least

1223
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: they're healthy entering the season, and I'm confident in my

1224
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 4: mid to late round draft strategy and end season management obviously,

1225
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 4: so I'm not willing to just take on risk unnecessarily

1226
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 4: at the beginning. So he's a pass for me. Ray

1227
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 4: Bunds made some good points that even when he's been healthy,

1228
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: he has been great, and this offensive line is definitely

1229
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: a question of mark, so there's there's enough reason for

1230
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 4: me to fade him. There's always somebody else in the

1231
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: draft that likes him more than me, So I'm basically

1232
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 4: getting zero shares of bark fifth moment.

1233
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: It's a very polarizing topic.

1234
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 5: I think people remember that twenty eighteen season. I'm just again,

1235
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 5: it's it's a different it's a different coaches, stab, it's

1236
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 5: a different quarterback.

1237
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: Tough to say.

1238
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 5: The upside is exactly the same, especially coming, you know,

1239
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 5: cutting it close with the A c L rehab.

1240
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, could you could you make the case that

1241
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: it's a different player.

1242
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think we know because we haven't

1243
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 5: seen it. Like that's the thing. It's like all we've

1244
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 5: all we know is that it's been taking a little

1245
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 5: longer than than he may have liked.

1246
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: But he's off the pup now.

1247
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 5: He looks good in practice according to people that seen

1248
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 5: him in practice.

1249
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: I don't know that we know.

1250
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 5: But there's just the fact that we have questions, so

1251
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: many questions compared to these other guys where it's just

1252
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 5: like if they bust, it's just gonna because they had

1253
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 5: a freak injury, and some you know, it's not really

1254
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 5: we don't really have the same kind of question marks

1255
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 5: or concerns.

1256
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: Is enough for me to pass on?

1257
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he's been he's been very fishy when people

1258
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 4: ask him, are you going to be ready week one.

1259
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 4: He doesn't even give the standard like, yeah, I'm shooting

1260
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 4: for that. It's always like, you know, I'm taking it

1261
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 4: day by day kind of thing. So it does make

1262
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: you wonder if he's even close to one hundred percent

1263
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 4: right now.

1264
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough.

1265
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 5: I think the bottom line is in the first round

1266
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 5: even really the first few rounds, you're just trying to

1267
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 5: avoid risk. You're trying to like even in like a

1268
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 5: best ball where you're looking for upside, Like there's there's

1269
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 5: different levels of risk because everyone has upside in those

1270
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 5: first few rounds. It's so it still becomes about locking

1271
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 5: in the most of it in the highest floor too,

1272
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 5: because everyone has upside, you're not really gaining an edge.

1273
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 4: It's not like you're taking James Connor instead of Sekwon Barkley.

1274
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 4: Legit guys growing in this range so that I'm with you.

1275
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: So that's part of the exercise is how do you

1276
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 3: line up Saquon Barkley against the mixings and Naji Harris's.

1277
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: You want to talk about a guy who we haven't seen,

1278
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 3: We haven't seen Najieris play a regular season game. Yet

1279
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: you got to line those guys up against Saquon Barkley,

1280
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: And if it's all about being safe, then maybe we

1281
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: should be talking about taking a lot of receivers in

1282
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: round one.

1283
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: Maybe we should be talking about taking quarterbacks.

1284
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 3: And one, I know that we don't do that, and

1285
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: I know why we don't do that, But it just

1286
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: goes back to why Saquon is still a first round pick.

1287
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 3: For me, it's because he does have that upside. He's

1288
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: playing the position that scores a ton of points. We've

1289
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: seen him do it before. But if you do get

1290
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 3: squeamish about that and you don't want to lose your

1291
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 3: draft in round one.

1292
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: Is not for you. Yeah, absolutely, maybe maybe a running

1293
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: back is not for you. It depends on I think.

1294
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: I just think I think it's wide.

1295
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 5: Receivers are obviously, like there are some of them that

1296
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 5: are safer, but I don't think the issue is running backs.

1297
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: Like we know they're going to miss a few more games.

1298
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 5: But I think the risk and reward kind of bounces

1299
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 5: out for running backs overall, because again, like the guy

1300
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 5: that are going to finish in the top ten, half

1301
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 5: of them are going to be gone by round like

1302
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 5: before round two ends, and it's gonna be tough to

1303
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 5: find you know them throughout the draft. It's going to

1304
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 5: be more about luck and you haven't you know the

1305
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 5: right guy that busts out maybe after a couple of

1306
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 5: games or something like that. So I think it's worth taking.

1307
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 5: It's just the risk of him at running back versus

1308
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 5: some of the other guys. So let's talk about some

1309
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 5: of these other guys. So Jonathan Taylor Dave is another

1310
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 5: guy that people have I think, started to see them

1311
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,919
Speaker 5: risk with. I don't really see as much. But where

1312
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 5: are you on Taylor and where are you on him

1313
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 5: in relation to a guy like Saquon.

1314
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 3: I'm taking him over Saquon. I look back at those

1315
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 3: last nine games from last year. He had eight hundred

1316
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: and nineteen rushing yards one hundred and two receiving yards.

1317
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 3: I'm not great at math, but I know that's over

1318
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 3: nine hundred total yards and nine games or in seven games.

1319
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: I said nine.

1320
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Speaker 3: It's last seven games, nine hundred total yards, nine touchdowns

1321
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 3: in his last seven games. This was with an offensive

1322
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 3: line that was healthy, Quentin Nelson was there. It was

1323
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 3: with a quarterback who has retired since. So I don't

1324
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 3: really think that there's that much of a downgrade from

1325
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 3: River from Rivers to Wentz. In fact, I don't think

1326
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 3: there's a downgrade at all. I think it helps Jonathan

1327
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 3: Taylor that Wentz is there because I think he'll provide

1328
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: a more dangerous passing element for Indianapolis to use. He

1329
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 3: needs that line to be healthy. It sounds like it's

1330
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 3: going to be healthier sooner than later. It sounds like

1331
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 3: Nelson has a chance to make it back by week three,

1332
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 3: So maybe a couple weeks were that Efficienciason there for

1333
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor. And then some people look to look at

1334
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor from last year and say, well, what about

1335
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 3: those first you know, he played in those first ten

1336
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: games or whatever it was nine games. I think it

1337
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 3: was where he wasn't that good. They're right, he was terrible.

1338
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 3: He looked tentative, he didn't seem confident in where he

1339
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: was going with his carries. And then something clicked with

1340
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 3: him toward the end of the year, and then he

1341
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 3: was a man on fire by the end of the year.

1342
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 3: And as much as I can say that Carson Wentz

1343
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 3: is a guy who's an upgrade from Philip Rivers in

1344
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 3: that offense, this offense is going around Jonathan Taylor and

1345
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 3: you look at him compared to a lot of other

1346
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 3: running backs around the league.

1347
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: Physically, the dude is a beast. He had a.

1348
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 3: Fumbling issue when he was at Wisconsin. He had one

1349
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 3: fumble last year. There were concerns about him being a

1350
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 3: good pass catcher of the backfield. He didn't get a

1351
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 3: lot of targets last year, but he had sixteen catches

1352
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 3: in those last seven games. It's nothing to sneeze at.

1353
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: I guess it's what two and a quarter catches per game.

1354
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 3: Maybe he ends up right around there in twenty twenty one.

1355
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: I see more upside with him than I do with Saquon.

1356
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: I see more upside with him than I do with

1357
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: Mixing Or in terms of overall total yards, touchdowns, and catches,

1358
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: more than Nick Chubb. And I think he's got a

1359
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 3: pretty easy schedule, especially early on or not early on,

1360
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 3: but overall, I've got him ranked with the six best

1361
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 3: schedule for running backs this year.

1362
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm a fan.

1363
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 3: I think he ends up being great and I would

1364
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 3: take him as soon as seventh overall in PPR Sjohn,

1365
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: what are.

1366
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 4: You about you?

1367
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: How you feel on Taylor?

1368
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Taylor's an interesting guy for me. Before the Carson

1369
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 4: Wentz and Quinton Nelson news hit. I was pretty low

1370
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 4: on him compared to consensus. I think he benefited last

1371
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: year from a ton of positive game scripts. Colts went

1372
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 4: seven to three over the final ten games, I believe,

1373
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 4: and had a soft schedule. So that's that's perfect for

1374
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor. I think, you know, ni he high is

1375
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 4: still going to be that pass catching back that limits

1376
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 4: Taylor's upside. So you know, especially when we're talking about

1377
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 4: mid to low end RB onees, there's still guys that

1378
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: are I consider workhorse backs. So that's why I was

1379
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 4: a bit low on him. But his ADP has dipped,

1380
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 4: you know, RB nine, RB ten, where I'm not really

1381
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 4: adjusting him down much at all based on the Carson

1382
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 4: Wentz or Quentin Nelson news there's actually hope that they're

1383
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 4: going to be ready by week one, So I kind

1384
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 4: of like where he's going at the RB nine ten range.

1385
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 4: But this is this is exactly the range you guys

1386
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: have been talking about, where at the round one slash

1387
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 4: round two turn, I'm perfectly fine just taking two of

1388
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 4: these running backs. I think that's that's probably the best

1389
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 4: way to kind of start your draft if you're at

1390
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 4: the end is just take any two of these guys.

1391
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 4: I would say Naji Harris is not in this tier

1392
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 4: for me. I am concerned about the O line in Pittsburgh.

1393
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 4: We know he will have the workload, but you know

1394
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 4: he could struggle this year with efficiency. But any any

1395
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 4: of these guys I think makes sense in the two

1396
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 4: back to back running back approach started the end of

1397
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 4: the draft.

1398
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: Round, right right, Yeah, definitely.

1399
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 5: I think you know, Taylor there there is some concern.

1400
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 5: I get why people are concerned, you know, even with

1401
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 5: Carson Wentz. It's another situation where if Carson Wentz is

1402
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 5: playing like he did with Philadelphia last year, then that

1403
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 5: gets him into a lot of passing situations and then

1404
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 5: Naim Hines is going to play you know, most of

1405
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 5: those routes. But I do see at the same time,

1406
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 5: you know, a team with a pretty good defense and

1407
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 5: a team with you know, probably more limited passing wise,

1408
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 5: I think than it was even last year with Rivers

1409
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 5: limited in a different way as in, I think Carson

1410
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 5: Wentz is just more liable to like turn the ball

1411
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 5: over and things like that.

1412
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: So I think Jonathan Tarror could be the whole offense.

1413
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: So Dave, I agree with you.

1414
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 5: I think he has that kind of Saquon like upside

1415
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 5: where you know, he could just be the centerpiece of

1416
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 5: the offense too. And I still think even the Colts

1417
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 5: banged up O line is a little better than than

1418
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 5: the Giants healthy line. So yeah, it's I'm on board

1419
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 5: with him. I like Joe Mixon a lot. I think

1420
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 5: Joe Mixon's usage with Zachary Taylor as the coach. I mean,

1421
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 5: two years ago, he got seventeen point four carries per game,

1422
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 5: Jio Bernard got three point three, and no one else

1423
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 5: really got anything. And then last year Mixing was getting

1424
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 5: almost one hundred percent of the carries. You know, in

1425
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 5: those games before he only played six games, but he

1426
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 5: was getting almost a hundred percent of the backfield carries

1427
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 5: average nineteen point eight per game. So he's a guy

1428
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 5: that really hasn't been coming off the field much. And

1429
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 5: his receptions per game jumped to from two point two

1430
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 5: and twenty nineteen to three point five in the small

1431
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 5: sample last year. So I think if Mixon stays healthy,

1432
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 5: he has some sneaky upside. Another guy with some O

1433
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 5: line concerns, So you know, he's not not out of.

1434
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 2: The woods there. But what are your thoughts on on mixing.

1435
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 3: Dave Inconsistency has weighed on him, so that makes me

1436
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: a little bit nervous. And it hasn't been inconsistency the

1437
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: last two years and the last two seasons. He's given

1438
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 3: you fifteen or more PPR points in six of his

1439
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: last twenty two games.

1440
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: That sucks.

1441
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: The year before that, we're talking about twenty eighteen, it

1442
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 3: was seven out of fourteen that was considered a great

1443
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: year for Joe Mixon. I know he's going to get

1444
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 3: more work in the passing game. We think they're starting

1445
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 3: to be rumblings in Cincinnati about well, maybe Chris Evans

1446
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 3: can work in that role. And I think that's what

1447
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna see in the preseason games from Cincinnati is

1448
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 3: to see what Chris Evans can do. But Evans is

1449
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 3: not like a game breaking running back. He's a guy

1450
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: who plays football and he happens to be a running back.

1451
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 3: And he's not bad at catching footballs and then making

1452
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 3: a play after catching the football, but he's not a burner.

1453
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 3: He's certainly not fast like Joe Mixon and samaj p

1454
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 3: Ryan was kind of a surprise last year, kind of

1455
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: came all the way out of nowhere, but he ended

1456
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 3: up being just fine as well. I'm I'm thinking, I'm

1457
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 3: thinking that mixing is better in round two than round

1458
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 3: one because we've seen him hurt fantasy managers more than help.

1459
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: And I would include twenty eighteen in that when he

1460
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 3: was consistent only fifty percent of the time. You're drafting

1461
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 3: a running back that can be a little bit better

1462
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 3: than that where you're hoping can be a little bit

1463
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 3: better than that when you're in round one.

1464
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I think Mixon is a second rounder.

1465
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: I just see him.

1466
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 5: It's that I see him fall to sometimes the end

1467
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 5: of the second which I think is too far.

1468
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 2: So glad he takes.

1469
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm glad we take him, you know, in any

1470
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 5: time really in that second round.

1471
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: Sean, where are you on Joe Mixon?

1472
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right in line with you. I think if

1473
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 4: he if he falls to at the end of the

1474
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 4: second round, he's a no brainer play. If he stays

1475
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 4: healthy this year, I think he's gonna smash adp. The

1476
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 4: only question is will he stay healthy. I mean last

1477
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 4: year was an injury plague season, but other than that,

1478
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 4: he hasn't really been an injury risk kind of guy,

1479
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 4: and without Giovanni Bernard, he should dominate the passing work.

1480
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 4: I'm less concerned about Chris Evans as of now. So, yeah,

1481
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 4: I love Joe Mixon, you know, around the RB twelve

1482
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 4: the RB fourteen range.

1483
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got he's got some high upside because he's

1484
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 5: one of those guys that could get like twenty three

1485
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 5: touches per game. I think is in his in his

1486
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 5: range of outcomes and in the ceiling. And even a

1487
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 5: guy like Aaron Jones, who you know, I like, he

1488
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 5: never has averaged even fifteen carries per game. You know,

1489
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 5: he's got it done with efficiency and you know, touchdowns

1490
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 5: and things like that. So, you know, Mixing is definitely

1491
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 5: an interesting guy. We talked about Gibson a little bit.

1492
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 5: Kwie Edward's aware that's a that's a guy that some

1493
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 5: people I think put him in that you know, second

1494
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 5: round tier back sometimes some people I think still let

1495
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 5: them see him as more like.

1496
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: An early third rounder.

1497
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 5: Dave, where are you on cech with Casey entering year

1498
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 5: two squarely.

1499
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: A third rounder?

1500
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 3: I'm I know that there's good talent there, and you've

1501
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 3: got to love the situation, at least the potential situation

1502
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 3: that's there where he's the starting running backs of this

1503
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: of this ballyhooed Kansas City Chiefs offense. But I'm not

1504
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 3: sure that he's going to be able to pick up

1505
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,480
Speaker 3: a lot of that passing downs work. They added Jerick McKinnon,

1506
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 3: they've got Darryl Williams. Those guys can catch the ball

1507
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 3: out of the backfield.

1508
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire I thought could do that. You watched him

1509
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: play at LSU. I think his last year at LSU

1510
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 1: had fifty five catches. I thought he'd be NFL ready

1511
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: for that.

1512
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, the Chiefs don't agree, and they

1513
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 3: would have a better idea more than I would. There

1514
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 3: was also an issue about short yardage and goal line carries.

1515
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: Last year, he only had six carries from three yards

1516
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: or closer. He converted one of them. You might put

1517
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 3: some of that on the offensive line, but Mahomes had

1518
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 3: twelve pass attempts from three yards or closer. He connected

1519
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 3: on ten of them, and he also ran for two touchdowns.

1520
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 3: So Mahomes had more short yardage touchdowns rushing than Clyde

1521
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 3: Edwards Hilaire had rushing. That makes me nervous. I see

1522
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 3: him as a guy that might be able to get

1523
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 3: you to like twelve or thirteen hundred total yards. You know,

1524
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 3: in his first six games before Leveon got there, he

1525
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 3: had almost six hundred total yards, over six hundred total yards,

1526
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 3: almost seven hundred total yards in those first six games,

1527
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 3: but one touchdown. And I'm worried that that's what he's

1528
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 3: going to end up being. So he's somebody that I'm

1529
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 3: getting a little nervous about unless I can find him

1530
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 3: in round three where he can be my number two

1531
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 3: fantasy running.

1532
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 5: But yeah, to talk about the short yardage, I think

1533
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 5: all those carries may have came in Week one.

1534
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: He had four of them, one in Houston.

1535
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 3: Overall, that's when Kansas City realized they had an offensive

1536
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 3: line problem.

1537
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they just I think they went away from

1538
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 5: Edwards Alaire a little bit in that spot too, because

1539
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 5: he had fifteen carries for the year inside the ten

1540
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 5: seven of them came in Week one. He went zero

1541
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 5: for seven and he got eight for the rest of

1542
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 5: the year and only one touchdown on those fifteen carries.

1543
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: So, uh yeah, I think there it's just with Casey,

1544
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 2: they've kind of proven that they're willing to throw the ball.

1545
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 5: There's uh and like they like their ancillary pieces lately,

1546
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 5: Like you look at a guy like Sammy Watkins, Mkole Harby,

1547
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 5: all those other guys that have been on this team,

1548
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 5: you know haven't really lived up to expectation. And I

1549
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 5: think Ceh was a part of that. Last year, like

1550
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 5: he was going well, he was going like top six,

1551
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 5: top seven in some drafts.

1552
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of that.

1553
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: Chris I was one of the guys that him because

1554
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 3: I felt like the Chiefs viewed him like they viewed

1555
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 3: Kareem Hunt, right, and I'm talking about like talent on

1556
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 3: top of it, like I thought they could squeeze that

1557
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 3: out of him, but obviously there was something there that

1558
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 3: they didn't like.

1559
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: He played fifty third down.

1560
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 3: Snaps last year for Kansas City, So we don't know

1561
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 3: how the Chiefs coaches feel about him at this point.

1562
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 3: Do they believe that he can take a step forward there?

1563
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 3: We haven't really seen that in the preseason. I don't

1564
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 3: think we ever will, but I can say this, he

1565
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 3: got a lot of run with the starters, and then

1566
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 3: when they got inside the five yard line, he had

1567
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 3: played for like five straight plays, he was out of there.

1568
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 3: Daryl Williams was in Chief scored on that play was

1569
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 3: a touchdown to Byron Pringle, but Hilaire was not on

1570
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 3: the field.

1571
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's kind of goes right to that point of

1572
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 5: you know, half of those top ten running backs are

1573
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 5: gone by round one. And I think the reason I

1574
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 5: do kind of give some credence to like the hero

1575
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 5: RB strategy, even though I never intend for a certain

1576
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 5: strategy started going to draft, but the reason I end

1577
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 5: up following it a bunch is because I don't want.

1578
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: To be shooting for like RB two upside.

1579
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 5: You know, if I don't like I can shoot for

1580
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 5: that in like round six, seven, eight nine, you know,

1581
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 5: I don't have to shoot for that in round three

1582
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 5: or even weight two. And I feel like that's sometimes

1583
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 5: what you're getting with Cech, Like you're fighting to be

1584
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 5: like the hopefully he's like the RB hen at like

1585
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 5: his ceiling or something like that. So yeah, not not

1586
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 5: as sexy to me this.

1587
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 2: Year, Sean. Where are you on quite Edward?

1588
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 4: HILARI? Yeah, I'm similar to you guys. You know last

1589
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 4: year was high on him, but once he started getting

1590
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 4: drafted in round one, I was out, thankfully, So I

1591
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 4: think he has a ton of upside. I consider him

1592
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 4: you know, as part of this high end RB two

1593
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 4: tier with DeAndre Swift and Chris Carson even and I

1594
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 4: think the fact that I can get Chris Carson around

1595
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 4: sometimes two rounds later, he's the guy I've been kind

1596
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 4: of drafting a lot more than a guy like cech

1597
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 4: But you know, going back to your point on the

1598
01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 4: the goal line work, you know, he only scored one

1599
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 4: touchdown on nine attempts inside the five. You know, we

1600
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 4: would typically expect four to five touchdowns from that kind

1601
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,879
Speaker 4: of usage. So I think we'll see some positive touchdown

1602
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 4: regression if he does retain that role. So I'm okay

1603
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 4: with people drafting him in round three. I think he

1604
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 4: has the upside to warrant it.

1605
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's he's just a tough sell for me in

1606
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 5: round three over like a stud tight end that's fallen

1607
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,799
Speaker 5: to me, or like a mid range wide receiver one

1608
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 5: like a Metcalf or Justin Jefferson or AJ Brown.

1609
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: Like, it's just a tough sell for me.

1610
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 5: Like, and I love the guy, but I think he's

1611
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 5: kind of he's kind of like a prototypical like high

1612
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 5: end RB two pretty much stays in that tier. I

1613
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 5: don't think. I think he's high floor, low ceiling. I

1614
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 5: guess this is what I'm saying. Let's let's go to

1615
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 5: uh let's talk quarterback real quick, because that's when you

1616
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 5: know we haven't talked about much. I know I don't

1617
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 5: draft quarterbacks often in the top fifty. I think it's

1618
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 5: really important to attack running back, wide receiver, and tight

1619
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 5: end if you can. Dave, what are your thoughts on

1620
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 5: quarterbacks taking this early? And when do you think Patrick

1621
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,719
Speaker 5: Mahomes specifically should be going off the board.

1622
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 3: I think Mahomes should go off the board in round three.

1623
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: His average draft position on CBS Sports is top twelve

1624
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 3: and Josh Allen's is top twenty.

1625
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,719
Speaker 1: So the general public really.

1626
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 3: Has not caught up to the fantasy analyst universe of well,

1627
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 3: don't take a quarterback so soon in a one quarterback league,

1628
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 3: And it's pretty obvious why there's supply and demand issues

1629
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 3: in play here where I'm in a ten team league,

1630
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 3: I'm in a twelve team league. I need a quarterback,

1631
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 3: but only one, and there are so many quarterbacks. I'm

1632
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 3: okay starting that. I know I can wait on one

1633
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 3: and fill some other positions early on in drafts, but

1634
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 3: people don't necessarily subscribe to that. Maybe they say what

1635
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 3: I was talking about earlier, I want a safe pick

1636
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 3: in round one. I want somebody that's going to score

1637
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 3: me a lot of points. Well, there's no safer position

1638
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 3: and no position that scores as many points as quarterbacks,

1639
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 3: So maybe.

1640
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: That's why they do it.

1641
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 3: But I'm not doing that taking Mahomes until it's round three.

1642
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 3: I was in a snake draft at the King's Classic,

1643
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 3: which is a bunch of industry nerds like myself, and

1644
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 3: I got Mahomes in round five, and I'm not I'm not.

1645
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: I know, I know.

1646
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 3: I've had to like catch myself a couple of times

1647
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,440
Speaker 3: on this podcast or saying.

1648
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: Something that wasn't right.

1649
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 3: Mahomes was the first quarterback off the board and I

1650
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 3: got him in round five. I'm never going to pass

1651
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: up a quarterback steal. And that's exactly what that was.

1652
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: And you can apply that logic to your draft strategies

1653
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: this year, is that if there's a steal to be

1654
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 1: at a quarterback, you should take advantage.

1655
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 3: But I want to take it a step further. I

1656
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 3: see a difference between the first six quarterbacks and the

1657
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 3: rest of the group of quarterbacks that we like.

1658
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: This year.

1659
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: My first six quarterbacks Mahomes one, Alan two, Kyler three,

1660
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson four, dak Is currently five, Russ's six. If

1661
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 3: I can get one of those guys at what I

1662
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 3: would consider a fair value, or maybe a little bit

1663
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 3: better than fair, maybe I'm stealing them just a little bit.

1664
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: Maybe it's round five and Josh Allen's there, maybe it's

1665
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 3: around six and Russ is still there.

1666
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm taking them.

1667
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 3: I'm not going to pass them up because those guys

1668
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 3: score enough points to be difference makers for my team,

1669
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 3: and the players that I'm passing up in that range,

1670
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 3: that four or five to six range, I think I

1671
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 3: can make up for most of them by the time

1672
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,520
Speaker 3: I'm in the other rounds behind whenever I get my quarterback.

1673
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:32,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's it's really tough to draft a quarterback,

1674
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 5: like to just go into the draft saying like I

1675
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 5: want to draft a quarterback early. It's going to put

1676
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,759
Speaker 5: you behind. I think we always want to be able

1677
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 5: to just kind of play out out the board, and

1678
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 5: that's really the only way I think you should ever

1679
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 5: be getting a quarterback at that early. Sean, what are

1680
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 5: your thoughts on these, you know, kind of early round quarterbacks.

1681
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I agree with Dave that round three is

1682
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 4: probably when Mahomes should go. And I typically let the

1683
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 4: QB position fall to me. I let the draft dictate it.

1684
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 4: So I'm usually watching when somebody takes Mahomes first off

1685
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 4: the board, but similar today, if he's there a round five,

1686
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 4: I would definitely consider it. I think that's that's a

1687
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 4: steal getting him there. But you know, when it comes

1688
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 4: to this Chiefs offense, we definitely want to invest in

1689
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes, but I think the best way to do

1690
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 4: it is through players like Tyreek Hill, through players like

1691
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey or even Clyde Edwards Hilaire. I think you

1692
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 4: want to invest in this chief offense, but the QB position,

1693
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 4: you know, you can get away with not drafting a quarterback,

1694
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 4: do the whole stream end season approach, like I advocate,

1695
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 4: if you miss out one of these top six quarterbacks.

1696
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 4: So I still want to invest in this Chiefs offense,

1697
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 4: just not with Patrick Mahomes directly and take you know,

1698
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 4: either like a Tyreek Kill or Travis Kelsey to still

1699
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 4: get some piece a piece of this offense because we

1700
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 4: definitely want to invest in it.

1701
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, because the thing about like quarterbacks and them going

1702
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 5: this early, is that like what you're looking for or

1703
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 5: in these early rounds is like locked in production guys

1704
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 5: that you don't have to think twice about starting, You

1705
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 5: don't have to shift your lineup around. You know, these

1706
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 5: guys should be most weeks just locked and loaded, ready

1707
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 5: to go in that predictable production. And at quarterback you

1708
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 5: can pretty much get that anywhere. Now you're not necessarily

1709
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 5: getting you know, the number one quarterback as you would

1710
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 5: with Mahomes, but you're sacrificing potentially getting you know, a guy,

1711
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 5: a guy like that at running back or wide receiver,

1712
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 5: which is extremely valuable because everyone could pick up a

1713
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 5: quarterback and start one and have a decent you know day,

1714
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 5: But it's gonna be those other.

1715
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 2: Positions that really differentiate.

1716
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't really get any of Mahomes unfortunately,

1717
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 5: because he never he never seems to fall to like

1718
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 5: the fifth round for me, Dave, I don't, I wish,

1719
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 5: I wish, but uh, I think like the earliest I

1720
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 5: usually go is the sixth. That's when you know, sometimes

1721
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 5: it's like a Lamar or a Kyler, more often like

1722
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 5: a Dack or a Russ end up falling in below

1723
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 5: ADP and I'm fine, you know there, depending on my

1724
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 5: build sometimes with taking them. But that's really the only

1725
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 5: time I'm going with like a quote unquote early round quarterback.

1726
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 5: Because even if you look at like outside of you know,

1727
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 5: Mahomes last year, I mean, look at the quarterbacks and

1728
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 5: the top quarterbacks, they were all taken, you know, in

1729
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 5: the sixth round or later. You had you know, Aaron

1730
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 5: Rodgers and Watson and Josh Allen and all those guys.

1731
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 5: And every year you see the same thing where yes,

1732
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 5: there's gonna be.

1733
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: Those locked and loaded quarterbacks.

1734
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 5: But I looked at the the overall pick, the median

1735
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 5: overall pick for a top five quarterback since twenty fourteen,

1736
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 5: and it's picked number eighty five, which is pretty much

1737
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 5: much you'd expect, you know, you can get a really

1738
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 5: good guy later on in the draft. And if you

1739
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 5: look at the guys taken in the first five rounds,

1740
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 5: they finished in the top five or third of a time.

1741
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 5: They finished you know, in the six through twelve range

1742
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 5: of third of a time, and they finished outside of

1743
01:20:58,479 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 5: the top twelve and third of a time.

1744
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 2: So it's like a super huge edge.

1745
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 5: You're just kind of you know, essentially doing what you'd expect,

1746
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 5: not not really giving.

1747
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 2: You much of an edge at that position. So it's

1748
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 2: early round.

1749
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 5: Quarterback is one that I'm almost always staying away from.

1750
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 5: Ulesla guy really really falls like over a round. And

1751
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 5: I'm already in the sixth and i have like two

1752
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 5: running backs, three wideouts already.

1753
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,600
Speaker 2: So let's talk about.

1754
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 5: I want to talk about before we get out of here,

1755
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 5: some of the players in like rounds three, four, and

1756
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 5: five that we're targeting and that we're avoiding because you know,

1757
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 5: we spend a lot of time talking about kind of

1758
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 5: draft philosophy and these early round guys. So like, now

1759
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 5: you get into round three, you have a couple of

1760
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 5: studs Dave at running back. First of all, you know

1761
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 5: you kind of alluded to it earlier, But what are

1762
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 5: you doing with like these round three, four or five guys, Dovin, Swift, Carson, Henderson, Montgomery,

1763
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 5: et cetera.

1764
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 3: Some of them I'm avoiding at the ADP. Swift is

1765
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 3: one of them. Even in PPR. I'm nervous about him

1766
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 3: being able to stay healthy all year. And when he

1767
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 3: is healthy, I think he's splitting everything that I've heard

1768
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 3: out of Lion's camp and this is another place where

1769
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 3: I went to watch a preseason game and talk with

1770
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 3: their coach there, Dan Campbell. I think they like having

1771
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 3: and they've said it a one to two punch at

1772
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 3: running back. I think they're nervous about Swift staying healthy.

1773
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: It's a great offensive line, at least on paper it is.

1774
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 3: But I think they legitimately believe that Jamal Williams can

1775
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,759
Speaker 3: be their hammer and that DeAndre Swift can be their lightning,

1776
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 3: and he's gonna catch a lot of passes. I'm worried

1777
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 3: about him getting a lot of carries. I'm not convinced

1778
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 3: that he can break out. And PFF's metrics for him

1779
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 3: in terms of elusiveness and yards after contact per carry,

1780
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 3: they were low.

1781
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: He was not very good in those categories. So I'm

1782
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of out on him. I'm in on Montgomery.

1783
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 3: I think that David Montgomery will see that continued workload

1784
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 3: that we saw last year. Of course, he's going to

1785
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 3: see tougher opponents. Of course that offensive line is a

1786
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 3: question mark. But what really got me excited about David

1787
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 3: Montgomery was seeing justin fields and watching Justin fields look

1788
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 3: like he's been in the league for three years, he

1789
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 3: was very smooth in the pocket, he was dangerous with

1790
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 3: his throws. He puts stuff on film in that game

1791
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 3: against Miami. This is the first preseason game that I

1792
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 3: think defensive coordinators around the league are going to have

1793
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 3: to take notice on, and that's going to open things up.

1794
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 3: His rushing will open things up for Montgomery, and his

1795
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 3: passing will open things up for Montgomery. If Chicago uses

1796
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: him right and so far, so good, he'll get in

1797
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 3: there sooner than later. And that's when David Montgomery will

1798
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 3: be a real problem for opposing defenses and great help

1799
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 3: for people who take him in fantasy. I used to

1800
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 3: get laughed at for taking him in late round three

1801
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 3: by my own pals here at CBS. Now I'm willing

1802
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 3: to take him late round two if there's not if

1803
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 3: I'm not feeling kittle, if I really want to make

1804
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 3: sure I get that second running back. Maybe there's been

1805
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 3: a run on running backs in rounds one and two

1806
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 3: and I need to collect another running back.

1807
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to go with Montgomery there.

1808
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: But more importantly, or maybe more safely, more sanely, I'm

1809
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: okay taking Montgomery in round three, and it can be

1810
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 3: in early round three Dobbins tons of upside, worried about

1811
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 3: him not seeing more than maybe thirteen carries per game.

1812
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:24,919
Speaker 3: They talk like they want to throw in the football.

1813
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 3: The more that those receivers are injured in Baltimore, the

1814
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 3: more I think targets can be manufactured for JK.

1815
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: Dobbins. And it would make sense. He's awesome.

1816
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 3: Why not use him, leverage him against those cornerbacks on

1817
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 3: the outside. I just don't know if the Ravens have

1818
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 3: it in them to actually go ahead and do that.

1819
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 3: I agree with Sean on what he said earlier about

1820
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 3: Chris Carson, but it took me a while to get there.

1821
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 3: At first, I was nervous about Carson because he's always

1822
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 3: been kind of one of those fifty percent consistency types

1823
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 3: of running backs. But I'm willing to take one of

1824
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: those guys now because a lot of the running backs

1825
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 3: that we look at later on in drafts, guys like

1826
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 3: Miles Sanders, Josh Jake, they make me more nervous.

1827
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: I'll take the fifty percent of the.

1828
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 3: Time success rate guy who's got an okay offensive line,

1829
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 3: but a new offense where he'll get thrown the ball

1830
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 3: a little bit as well, hopefully he can stay healthy.

1831
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I'm missing any running backs that

1832
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 3: you mentioned there, But as far as those four guys, Montgomery, Dobbins, Carson,

1833
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of where I'm leaning on them at

1834
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 3: this point.

1835
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you made a bunch of interesting points, Sean. I

1836
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 5: want to hear your takes on some of these guys,

1837
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 5: and I'll give mine at the end of Dobbin, Swift, Carson, Montgomery,

1838
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 5: in particular fading them, targeting them or what are you

1839
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 5: doing with them?

1840
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So this RB two tier is interesting, and usually

1841
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 4: this is where I dubbed the frozen Pond tier. But

1842
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 4: I like all these guys this year. This time last year,

1843
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 4: we were drafting in this range. Todd Gurley, Lvion Bell,

1844
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 4: James Connor, Melvin Gordon, David Johnson. Those are guys we're

1845
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 4: used to seeing this tier and we all said we

1846
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 4: want nothing to do with them, and we were right. So, yes,

1847
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 4: guys like JK. Dobbins, DeAndre Swift, David Montgomery, even you

1848
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 4: can be critical of them, but that the concerns are

1849
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 4: sort of reflected in their ADP. You can get him,

1850
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 4: as you know, low end RB two's, but all these

1851
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 4: guys have RB one upside, they're in the prime of

1852
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 4: their career. So these are all guys that I'm okay taking.

1853
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 4: I mentioned him earlier about Chris Carson is the guy

1854
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 4: that I love getting, you know, at the end of

1855
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 4: round four, sometimes round five. I just think he's a

1856
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 4: safe bet. He probably doesn't have super high ceiling, but

1857
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 4: he's just, you know, a safe high floor bet as

1858
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 4: your RB two and even Darryl Henderson right now his

1859
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 4: ADP is RB twenty one. I think the closer we

1860
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 4: get to week one and the Rams haven't signed a

1861
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 4: veteran back, the more I love Darryl Henderson. I think

1862
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 4: he's going to keep trending up towards you know, RB seventeen,

1863
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 4: RB eighteen if they don't add another back. So I

1864
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 4: love getting him. It's been usually round five is when

1865
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 4: I target him. So any of these guys that fall

1866
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 4: to me, I'm sort of okay taking, despite the works

1867
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 4: they have that they all have some concern but if

1868
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 4: you're getting legit RB two and round five, you can't

1869
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 4: pass that up.

1870
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 3: I don't mind Henderson in round five. It's seeing him

1871
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 3: going round four where I get a little squeamish and

1872
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 3: I know.

1873
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: They haven't added anybody yet. It wouldn't surprise me if

1874
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: they still added a veteran.

1875
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 3: There's a couple of veteran running backs out there who

1876
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 3: fantasy managers would be like, ew, really, the Rams, why

1877
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 3: would they do that? But I just I can't help

1878
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 3: but think that the coaches don't love Darryl Henderson. They

1879
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 3: could learn to love Darryl Henderson, but he's got to

1880
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 3: earn it there. I know he's a good pass catcher.

1881
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 3: He has thirty eight career snaps on third downs with

1882
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 3: the Rams. I know that he's got burst and nobility.

1883
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how many games over the course of

1884
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 3: his career he's had fifteen plus touches. It's probably something

1885
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 3: that I've got in my note somewhere. I just don't

1886
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 3: know it off the top of my head. I'm nervous

1887
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 3: about the schedule to begin the season for He's got

1888
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 3: the Bears, Colts, Bucks, Cardinals, Seahawks, Giants. Maybe one or

1889
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 3: two of those defenses will be okay. But the big

1890
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 3: point that I'm worried about with Henderson is Sean McVay

1891
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: just got his upgrade a quarterback and he's gonna Now

1892
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 3: he's got the license to let Matthew Stafford throw a

1893
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 3: ton because cam Akers isn't there, and the running back

1894
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 3: that he currently has is one that he'll say that

1895
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 3: he's gonna lean on, but may not necessarily lean on him.

1896
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: And so I don't want to be one.

1897
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 3: Of those people that reaches for Darryl Henderson. To me,

1898
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 3: he's in the next tier behind the other four that

1899
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 3: we mentioned before.

1900
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's kind of how I feel about it too.

1901
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 5: I'm is I don't think this RB two tier is

1902
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 5: as bad as like the frozen Pond tiers of years past.

1903
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 2: I think that that starts a little waiter this year.

1904
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 5: But the consequence of that is that again, am I

1905
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 5: really taking guys that have RB one high end RB

1906
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 5: one upside this year?

1907
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 2: Or am I trying to fight for like RB two upside.

1908
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:13,719
Speaker 5: Because these guys have to compete with McCaffrey, Cook, Kamara, Henry, Elliott, Jones, Eckler, Mixed,

1909
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 5: and Taylor Harris. Like Barkley, if you want to put

1910
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 5: him in there, you know, there's just a ton of

1911
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 5: guys that and it's unlikely that you know, big McCaffrey

1912
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 5: gets hurt after three games, bark We gets hurt after

1913
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 5: two games, you know again this year. So I think

1914
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:33,759
Speaker 5: at receiver, you know, I just think you're giving yourself

1915
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 5: a little more of a shot at like that top

1916
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 5: six upside with some of the guys you can get

1917
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 5: in the third, fourth, fifth round even and we've historically

1918
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 5: seen that, you know, half of the top ten wide

1919
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 5: receiver since twenty fourteen have been taken between round two

1920
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 5: and the end of round seven, so it's been a

1921
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 5: lot more you know, even we just distributed with the

1922
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 5: wide receiver as you go down the board because you know,

1923
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 5: there's air yards to you had, just targets to be had,

1924
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 5: there's less injury risk that it's usually not worth it

1925
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 5: to me and Wes, I like it really dictated by

1926
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 5: my draft. Like if I just fell into maybe a

1927
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 5: wide receiver wide receiver start or a tight end wide

1928
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 5: receiver tight end start or something like that, and I

1929
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 5: need a running back, that's what I'm Okay. I hope

1930
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 5: I get a Chris Carson. I hope you know, maybe JK.

1931
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 5: Dobbons has like some you know, poor Man's Nick Chubb appeal,

1932
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 5: you know, things like that.

1933
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,520
Speaker 2: But in a vacuum, I think they're all real risky.

1934
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that the reason I like having

1935
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 4: two running backs before this tier is off the board

1936
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 4: is because I don't want to dive into the frozen

1937
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 4: pund or fall in as I should say, I don't

1938
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 4: want to Mike Davis, Chase Edmonds, Miles Gaskin, James Robinson

1939
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 4: as my RB two. I rather, you know, I'm okay

1940
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 4: taking them as your first bench running back or even

1941
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 4: your flex, but having a dip in and take them

1942
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 4: as your RB two is scary to me. So I

1943
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 4: do like having two running backs before this this massive

1944
01:30:58,160 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 4: r RB two tiers off the board.

1945
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1946
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1947
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I wouldn't reach on any of these guys,

1948
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 5: like I'm not.

1949
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not.

1950
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 5: Like, Okay, let's let's uh, let's take one of these

1951
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 5: guys like ahead of his ADP.

1952
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 2: It's like, if they dropped me, cool.

1953
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 5: If not, I'm just gonna have, you know, one of

1954
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 5: those strong, strong teams with wide receiver that may be

1955
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 5: RB two slave a little bit shaky.

1956
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 2: It's just how.

1957
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, because I think that's that's the biggest mistake.

1958
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 5: Sometimes It's like we end up or drafters end up

1959
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 5: like feeling like they need that that second running back

1960
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 5: and sometimes even at third running back, which I think

1961
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 5: you get in a lot of trouble. And it's like, yeah,

1962
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 5: if they're value best one thing. But if you're taking,

1963
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 5: like if you're giving up like wide receiver one upside

1964
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 5: for RB two upside, that's not a great trade because

1965
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 5: these days, like wide receivers are just as viable in

1966
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 5: the flex pretty much across the board. Now, maybe in

1967
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 5: standard LEA you still go toard running backs a little,

1968
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 5: But Dave, what about at wide receiver? The next you

1969
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 5: know the rounds three through five in particular, usually you

1970
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 5: know that round starts, Round three starts. You still got

1971
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 5: guys like Alan Robinson on the board, Ceedee whamb Amari Cooper,

1972
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 5: Terry McLaurin, and you got the Bucks guys, the Rams guys,

1973
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 5: Lockett Julio. I mean a lot of guys that go

1974
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 5: in this range. Any of these guys that you like

1975
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 5: a lot, hate a lot. Who the guys you end

1976
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:24,560
Speaker 5: up with the most.

1977
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 3: And I'm lucky if I end up when I'm starting

1978
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 3: running back, tight end, running back, you know some former

1979
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 3: fashion with my first three picks, I'm lucky if I

1980
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 3: get one of these guys on my fantasy squad in

1981
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 3: round four.

1982
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: They usually don't make it there.

1983
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,600
Speaker 3: But my favorite from the group is Robinson because I

1984
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 3: think he'll get a ton of targets. We've seen him

1985
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 3: do very well when he's had terrible quarterbacks. Now he's

1986
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 3: gonna eventually have a very good quarterback. I think he's

1987
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: a very good quarterback in justin field.

1988
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. I like Robert Woods a lot.

1989
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 3: Just doubling down on this whole idea that you're gonna

1990
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 3: see Matthew Stafford throw a bunch. I think Woods is

1991
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 3: not only the rams most accomplished receiver, I think he's

1992
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 3: their best all around receiver.

1993
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: I think he could have a career year. And we're

1994
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:04,879
Speaker 1: talking about.

1995
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 3: A wide out who's had ninety catches in twelve hundred

1996
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 3: yards before. In fact, recently he's had those kinds of numbers.

1997
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 3: I think he can do better than that this year,

1998
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 3: and I think he can score more touchdowns on top

1999
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 3: of it. And mclaurin's been a very trendy breakout pick.

2000
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 3: We know about what Ryan Fitzpatrick's record is with leaning

2001
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 3: on that number one outside receiver, going after those perimeter guys,

2002
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 3: targeting them over targeting them. I'm looking for that, and

2003
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 3: so McLaurin is somebody who makes my top twelve among

2004
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 3: receivers in PPR leagues. And listen, there's a great case

2005
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 3: to be made for Julio Jones since he's not going

2006
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 3: to be in single coverage theoretically on every single step,

2007
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:41,360
Speaker 3: including when he gets in the red zone. The reason

2008
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 3: why he wasn't scoring a ton of touchdowns for years

2009
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 3: was because teams were taking him away when they got

2010
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 3: in the red zone.

2011
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 1: If you listen to anybody in Atlanta over the past

2012
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: six years, they would have told you exactly that.

2013
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 3: Now he's got a chance to not do that. He's

2014
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 3: just got to get healthy first. Ceedee Lamb has a

2015
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 3: great safe floor. He had at least ten PPR points

2016
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 3: in every single game with Dak last year. Three of

2017
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 3: them he had sixteen or more PPR points, and that

2018
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 3: was on a target share below eighteen percent.

2019
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: So I think we could see his target share rise.

2020
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 3: I think the Cowboys are going to try and manufacture

2021
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 3: stuff for him, and I think we're at the point

2022
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 3: now where I think Dallas thinks he's at the point

2023
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 3: now where even when he's covered, he's open because he

2024
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 3: can leap and make a play, and he's just got

2025
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 3: that type of my ball mentality that you're looking for

2026
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 3: from an outside or slot type of wide receiver. Those

2027
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 3: are my favorite five from this group. And so if

2028
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 3: you can get one of them in round four, I

2029
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 3: think you're winning. If you somehow can get one of

2030
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 3: them in round five, you're stealing from the rest of

2031
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 3: your league. But if you do go running back, running back,

2032
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 3: those are the five wide receivers that I would target

2033
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 3: first and round three and then again in round four.

2034
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love like all of these guys.

2035
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 5: Like it's hard for me to say that I don't

2036
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 5: want any I think at this point it just becomes about,

2037
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 5: you know, it's all quality. I think it just becomes

2038
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 5: about the quantity. Especially if I started with, you know,

2039
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 5: positions other than wide receiver. I try to get you

2040
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 5: know a couple of these guys and you know, add

2041
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 5: in like a T. Higgins or you know, a Chase

2042
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 5: Klaypoo some of the round two the year two breakout

2043
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 5: candidates a little later, but sean any of these guys

2044
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:19,839
Speaker 5: at receiver that you're specifically targeting or avoiding, Yeah.

2045
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 4: I'm kind of with you where I kind of I

2046
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 4: love all of these guys, so whoever kind of falls

2047
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 4: me in rounds three to five fit into my draft strategy.

2048
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 4: I would say both Rams receivers Robert Woods and Cooper

2049
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 4: Cup typically followed me. At least one of them followed

2050
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 4: me in almost every draft. When you look at last

2051
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 4: season's stats, they were they were held back by Jared

2052
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,719
Speaker 4: Goff quite a bit. You know, the Rams ranked twenty fourth,

2053
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 4: and pass attempts twenty plus yards or more. They ranked thirtieth,

2054
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 4: and pass attempts in the red zone. Those numbers looking

2055
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 4: even worse when you consider they ranked twelfth and overall

2056
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 4: pass attempts. So I think with Matthew Stafford there, they're

2057
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 4: they're both going to get more of those high value targets,

2058
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:02,679
Speaker 4: you know, higher A dots, more receptions in the red zone,

2059
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 4: so I think their touchdowns are going to go up.

2060
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 4: No more cam akers, so they're gonna have to throw

2061
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 4: even more. So I think both Rams running backs I love.

2062
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 4: The only guy I would maybe say I avoid is

2063
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 4: Adam Steelen. You know I've talked about it, but he's

2064
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 4: due for some pretty massive touchdown aggression after scoring a

2065
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 4: career high fourteen last season, even after in a season

2066
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 4: where he scored fourteen touchdowns, he busted quite a bit.

2067
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 4: He finished outside of the top sixty twenty seven percent

2068
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 4: of the time, So he has a pretty low floor

2069
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 4: in this offense that can get pretty run heavy if

2070
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 4: they have the lead. So he's a guy in this

2071
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 4: range that I would say I'm avoiding. But everybody else,

2072
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 4: I think if they followed me in the right spot,

2073
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 4: I'm more than happy to take them in rounds three

2074
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 4: to five.

2075
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 3: Of his fourteen touchdowns last year, Sean, do you know

2076
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 3: how many were in the red zone?

2077
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 4: All of them?

2078
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 2: Thirteen fourteen?

2079
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: Do you know how many of them were inside the five?

2080
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 4: Ten?

2081
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 1: Seven? Seven of fourteen?

2082
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 3: Do you know how many targets inside the ten Justin

2083
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 3: Jefferson had last year?

2084
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 4: Hmmm, probably low? Maybe?

2085
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Like all right, hold on a second, Chris says five.

2086
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 1: He said five and six. So let's set the over

2087
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 1: under at five and a half. Let's go, oddsmaker, what

2088
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: are we doing.

2089
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 4: Here, I'll take the under. There the way you're setting

2090
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 4: it up, I'm hammering the under.

2091
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 1: It's actually over, but it's eight.

2092
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 3: And that number is still preposterous that Justin Jefferson only

2093
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,759
Speaker 3: had eight targets inside the ten and stupid Adam Feelin

2094
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 3: at seven touchdowns inside the five. I do think that

2095
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 3: there is chemistry between Cousins and Theling when they get

2096
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 3: down there, and Fling's never double covered. So if you

2097
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,120
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be afraid to draft Feeling, but you're you're

2098
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:45,759
Speaker 3: doing it on the hope that he gets double digit

2099
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 3: touchdowns again, which is kind of a slippery slope.

2100
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's the same reason, like you know

2101
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 5: Whoio never got the touchdowns. It's like Theven's benefiting from that,

2102
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 5: so you can't complain too much. Like I I do

2103
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 5: think he's the guy that, like I'm the weast excite

2104
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 5: about of this tier, but I don't even completely avoid

2105
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 5: him just because I think he's just so good still,

2106
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 5: Like I think he's just one of the better receivers

2107
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 5: in the league. And Jefferson having a fourteen hundred yard

2108
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 5: season only I think, you know, opens things up for Steven.

2109
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 2: He'll be thirty one this.

2110
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 5: Year, so it's not an age where you're like super

2111
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 5: worried yet I think, give him another couple of years

2112
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 5: and then you get worried. But I think it's really

2113
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 5: imperative because the value because it's it's hard to get

2114
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 5: running backs.

2115
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 2: You got to go after them early.

2116
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 5: You're gonna be in a spot where, you know, as

2117
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 5: that rounds three, four, five, six come around, you should

2118
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 5: be able to get three quality receivers. It's not four

2119
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 5: to fill that at least to fill those wide receiver

2120
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 5: one two three spots. But it's that's where I think

2121
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,599
Speaker 5: you're the sweet spot is for wide receivers. So yeah,

2122
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 5: I love Robert Woods too because I think his rushing

2123
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 5: potential goes underrated. He gets over a carrying game, he

2124
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 5: gets over a carry a game, and given that the

2125
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 5: Rams running backs went down, I mean that's another thing

2126
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 5: that the Rams receivers could pick up the slack in.

2127
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 5: So I think that's some exciting upside for Robert Woods.

2128
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 5: He never seems to be a sexy pick, but definitely

2129
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 5: a guy who's going to be productive. Dave.

2130
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 2: I'll finish up with this question, is.

2131
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 5: There any player that frequently slips outside the top fifty

2132
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 5: or it just doesn't even have an ADP in the

2133
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 5: top fifty at all. Maybe it's you know, in those

2134
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 5: next couple of rounds that should be that you think

2135
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 5: should be actually drafted in that top fifty.

2136
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 1: So let me. You sent me a great link before

2137
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: the show to an ADP on my Fantasy League site.

2138
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 1: There ADP report.

2139
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,719
Speaker 3: Yep, And so I see Julio Jones is just outside

2140
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 3: the top fifty.

2141
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 1: I know that we talked about him. I think he

2142
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: absolutely belongs to be belongs in the top fifty.

2143
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup. We already talked about him. Tyler Lockett's going

2144
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 3: fifty fourth.

2145
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love the top fifty pick.

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01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love him, And yeah, I know that the

2147
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,679
Speaker 3: whole idea of throwing quick doesn't necessarily help him.

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01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: He's always been the guy that Russ.

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01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 3: Goes to when he's making an improvisational play, and that

2150
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 3: includes in the red zone last year. But I still

2151
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 3: think that he can get fit into that offense just

2152
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 3: as well as DK Metcalf, and hopefully he can just

2153
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 3: separate a little bit more than Metcalf can and he

2154
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 3: can make plays that way without necessarily being touched.

2155
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,600
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson is someone who I think is worthy of

2156
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: a top.

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01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 3: Fifty pick because volumes, volume targets are targets. He's going

2158
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 3: to get plenty of them in Pittsburgh. I know we're

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01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 3: worried about that offensive line, but I think that we

2160
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 3: were worried about it last year and ended up doing

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01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:33,759
Speaker 3: just fine.

2162
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: There's a couple of other players. There's two more I

2163
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: want to name.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I necessarily think they have to

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Speaker 3: be top fifty players, But if you're drafting and there's

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01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:43,680
Speaker 3: a quarterback there and you're not ready to take a quarterback,

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01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 3: I'm okay if you take TJ. Hockinson is a top

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Speaker 3: fifty pick, and I'm okay if you take Mark Andrews

2169
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 3: as a top fifty pick. And that has to do

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01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 3: a little bit more of position scarcity than it does

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01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 3: anything else. Although I do think that Hockinson has a

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01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 3: chance to lead the Lion and target lead the Lions

2173
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 3: and targets catches the yard touchdowns. Golf after his preseason game,

2174
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 3: talked about how important tight ends are on the offense,

2175
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:07,719
Speaker 3: and he specifically laid out that TJ is that guy

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01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:08,679
Speaker 3: in Detroit.

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01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 1: But I think everybody knew that already.

2178
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 3: And Mark Andrews has been that reliable target for Lamar

2179
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 3: Jackson really ever since Lamar became the starter for Baltimore

2180
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 3: way back when, so I could see him continuing to

2181
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 3: put up good numbers. I like Andrews better than Hockinson

2182
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 3: in non and in half, but in full PPR, I'm

2183
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 3: going to buy into Hockinson getting that workload and being

2184
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 3: better than Andrews there. But I think that if you're

2185
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 3: stuck in that range and there's not a running back,

2186
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 3: you like, there's not a receiver you like you're not

2187
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 3: ready to take a quarterback yet, you can look at

2188
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:39,919
Speaker 3: those tight ends.

2189
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Hockinson has an outside shot to weedo

2190
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 5: tight ends and targets just because of like we've seen

2191
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 5: GoF with Tyler Higbee, who I think Hockinson is a

2192
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 5: better player than Tyler Higbee.

2193
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 2: Like go just throws show short.

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01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,759
Speaker 5: The team is going to be likely behind a lot,

2195
01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 5: and Hockinson is right there with Aman Ross Saint Brown

2196
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 5: I think is that and probably ahead him because that

2197
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 5: that's a rookie, right, So you know, if who's the

2198
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 5: projected leader in targets for the Lions, for me, it's

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01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 5: probably Hockinson because Tyrell Williams not a high target guy

2200
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 5: who's gonna play a lot on the outside.

2201
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 2: And then we don't even know what's going on with

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01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 2: for Shad Perriman.

2203
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,919
Speaker 1: Apparently nothing nothing is Yeah.

2204
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 5: He's been playing behind koaleif Raemond at points in camp,

2205
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 5: you don't know.

2206
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if he made the team at

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01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:21,759
Speaker 1: this point.

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01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 3: Oh okay, there struggled Tyrrell. Tyrell was a starting outside

2209
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 3: receiver for them. In their first preseason game, Saint Brown

2210
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 3: started in the slot. He played I think half the

2211
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,799
Speaker 3: snaps with the first team offense in their first preseason

2212
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,599
Speaker 3: game against Buffalo. Dude, he was separating, he's you want

2213
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 3: a late round sleeper in a PPR league because everybody's

2214
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 3: going to be up on Jacoby Myers now after what happened,

2215
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 3: and everybody's going to be all over Mark west Callaway

2216
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 3: after what's going on in New Orleans. I think amun

2217
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 3: Ross Saint Brown is one of those guys you should

2218
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 3: look at with one of your.

2219
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: Last three picks.

2220
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that that could be.

2221
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 5: That could be you have one hundred catch upside with

2222
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 5: in like outside of the top, you know, one hundred

2223
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 5: and fifty picks with that guy, like you know that's

2224
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 5: in his range of outcomes. Just giving Jared Goffs like

2225
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 5: he had like a six point one a dot last

2226
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 5: year or something like that.

2227
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 3: It was four point nine from what Oh my god,

2228
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 3: Jesus okay, I think I could have a four point

2229
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 3: nine A dot if I played quarterback, assuming that I

2230
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 3: didn't get sacked every time.

2231
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 5: It's like Jared Goff is on pedestrian level quarterbacking.

2232
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:25,480
Speaker 1: But again, it's fall Help three straight years, Chris, Oh, yeah,

2233
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: three straight.

2234
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 3: Years, and I don't I don't think the Lions are

2235
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 3: going to tell him, hey, throw down field more.

2236
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: We really need to get for Shad Paraman involved in

2237
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: the offense.

2238
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,439
Speaker 3: I mean, now, this is an offense that's going to struggle.

2239
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be in trouble this year.

2240
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 2: This is going to be.

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01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell the you know, form a tight end with

2242
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 5: you know, taking putting Darren Fells on the field.

2243
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 4: T J.

2244
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 2: Howkins did, and you're not joking.

2245
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 5: And Ross Saint Brown is going to be the Cooper

2246
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 5: Cup of this offense and GoF is just going to ignore.

2247
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 5: He probably even gonna ignore Tyroe Williams. So you know

2248
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 5: it's I do like that that hockey. I like getting

2249
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 5: Hawkinson even more in the six because again, I'm just

2250
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 5: really big on like I like, I really like having

2251
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 5: my third wide receiver by the end of round five.

2252
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 5: It just as much as I mocket just I like

2253
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 5: my teams the most when I have that third receiver.

2254
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 5: But even if I even if I wait on my

2255
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 5: RB two to round six or something, it's just I

2256
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 5: find that like that you can get three really solid

2257
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 5: receivers in the first five rounds. But I do take

2258
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 5: He's always my target in round six if he falls

2259
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 5: is Hockinson. If I haven't got a spudside end like

2260
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:37,640
Speaker 5: over really over the other two guys. I have him

2261
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 5: ranked fourth just because I think he has that that

2262
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:44,759
Speaker 5: huge upside. Sean, what about you who who's going outside

2263
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,679
Speaker 5: the top fifty uh that you think should be going

2264
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 5: in in the top fifth fall or that falls a lot?

2265
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 4: You guys stole my thunder because it's TJ. Hawkinson all

2266
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 4: the way. For me, sixty three is way too low.

2267
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 4: So once Kelsey Waller Killer off the board, this Tier

2268
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:05,640
Speaker 4: two at tight end with Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, t J.

2269
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 4: Hawkinson is super critical for my draft strategy because once

2270
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 4: this is off the board, I have no plan. It's

2271
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 4: basically swing it. So you have Kyle Pitts going forty three,

2272
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,759
Speaker 4: which is probably too early, Mark Andrews at fifty seven,

2273
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,320
Speaker 4: which I do like that, and Hawkinson at sixty three.

2274
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 4: I have all three projected identically at fifty overall. So

2275
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:30,759
Speaker 4: getting Hawkinson at sixty three would be the dream scenario

2276
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 4: for me. But it's so risky because if someone snipes

2277
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 4: him right in front of me, I'm screwed. So it's

2278
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 4: it's a it's a gamble, but you guys already talked

2279
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 4: about it. I have him far and away the number

2280
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 4: one target in this offense. He's entering year three. He's

2281
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 4: you know, an elite tight end that should break out

2282
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 4: this season. So I love getting him, you know, round six.

2283
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 4: But like I said, it's such a gamble because he's

2284
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 4: so critical in my draft strategy that if he gets taken,

2285
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 4: I'm lost. So that's why I love, you know, waiting

2286
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 4: at tight end to potentially get him. But he is

2287
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,879
Speaker 4: such a valuable, you know, piece in my draft strategy.

2288
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 4: I think he's a steal at sixty three overall.

2289
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the He's the guy I find myself getting

2290
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 5: a lot when I pick up the back half and

2291
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 5: I'm you know, going running back, running back early because

2292
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,280
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm probably not getting that stead tight end.

2293
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 5: Kittle's never gonna fall back that far to the third. Uh,

2294
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 5: and so I'm like on high alert for tight end

2295
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 5: and I still usually again, I still like to get

2296
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 5: those three receivers in rounds three through five. But the

2297
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 5: good thing is if you're drafting at that part and

2298
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 5: Hawkinson's gonna fall to the to the sixth, that means

2299
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 5: you can kind of look on the board and a

2300
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 5: lot of times you're drafting early in the sixth and

2301
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 5: wait in the fifth you can say, Okay, well, uh,

2302
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 5: these receivers are gonna still be here, and then you

2303
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 5: can go get Hockinson in that fifth round. So it

2304
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 5: really depends on, you know, how big your league size is.

2305
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, I agree, I think he's critical and I

2306
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 5: just think he has that huge upside to where even

2307
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 5: more so than a Mark Andrews, who is very reliant

2308
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 5: on touchdowns, and you know he's Mark Andrews has been

2309
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 5: like a thirty three percent target per route kind of guy.

2310
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 5: But we've he's going going to run like seventy five

2311
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:11,559
Speaker 5: to eighty percent tops. I think Hockinson could like challenge

2312
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,599
Speaker 5: for the league lead in routes run as well. So

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01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:16,919
Speaker 5: it's yeah, it's a great Hockinson.

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01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 2: I love that call there but yeah, that's this was

2315
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 2: a packed pod.

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01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 5: This actually really helped me with some of my draft

2317
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,679
Speaker 5: strategies and kind of tunking something.

2318
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah like this is like I want to just go

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01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 4: draft now, so Raven, it's your pick and our Well

2320
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 4: there you go, so you might as well go.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to do it live because I want

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01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 5: to make sure I give my full attention to it.

2323
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 5: But yeah, our charity basketball league, I'm up. But Dave,

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01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:48,240
Speaker 5: it was just this was an amazing pod. Again, just

2325
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Speaker 5: amazing insights and really really sharp.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: as we're done here, you might see them move down

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Speaker 3: in my rankings a little bit. You guys made some

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Speaker 5: Yeah, make sure you guys go check out Dave because

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Speaker 5: this was straight fire. You guys can, as you know,

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Speaker 5: find Sean Kerner at the Underscore Odds Maker on Twitter.

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Speaker 5: You can find me at Chris Raybon and you can

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Speaker 5: find us both at those same handles in the Action

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Speaker 5: Network app. Again, this is the new Fantasy Flex feed,

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Speaker 5: so make sure that you give us a review and

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Speaker 5: a rating. It would really help us out. And as

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Speaker 5: we switch over to this new feed, we're gonna give

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Speaker 5: you five episodes.

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Speaker 2: I think I said three last time.

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Speaker 5: I met five episodes per week during the season, and

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Speaker 5: that's one every day, so be sure to stay.

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Speaker 2: Tuned for that until next time. Let's get this money