1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:21,839 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and get Katy and he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 3: The US consumers are already feeling the impact of the 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: conflict with Iran. In just one week, the national average 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: for a gallon of regular is up about twenty two 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: cents and saw the biggest single date increase since March 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. Now that's spike four years ago came 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: right after Russia invaded Ukraine. The resulting surge and oil 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: prices helped push gash to a record five dollars in 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 3: one cent of the US. It's less reliant on foreign 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 3: oil than we were in twenty twenty two, but analysts 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: still Warren crewe could top one hundred dollars a barrel 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: depending on how long this lasts. 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 4: I'll bet Trump's has got his eye on this. He 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: understands how uh price of gas is a big deal 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 4: for people. But people overreact to the price of gas 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 4: for whatever reason. It's an emotional thing. And if price 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 4: of gas keeps going up with this war and people 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 4: weren't paying attention to why we need to go to 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 4: war in the first place. 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: This could be a big deal. 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: But anyway, I know when I filled up my truck 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 4: the other day, I posted a picture. 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: It was shocking how much it costs. 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: Oh and also, Britney Spears was arrested last night in 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: southern California, Ventura County. Full team coverage that will mock 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: the Iran War off the front page. 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: She's as crazy as can be. Huh, she's drunk. I 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 2: don't know if you have to be crazy to be drunk. 31 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: But yeah, I've been drunk plenty of times. I've never 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: been arrested for it. Me neither. 33 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you want to reset our topic? 34 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: Here? 35 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: Oo boy to the New York Times Wall Street Journal today. 36 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: We got on it yesterday. 37 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 4: It's gonna be a big lawsuit, I think against Google, 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 4: which runs their chat bot, which is Gemini, which I 39 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 4: don't think is a hell of a lot than a 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 4: lot of the other chatbots. It encouraged a guy to 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: kill himself. He did kill himself. Thirty six year old 42 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 4: guy slit his wrists. He was in love with his chatbot. 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: The chatbot convinced him that they were a loving couple 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 4: and that he could and I'm. 45 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: Sorry, just to clarify, they were not a loving couple. 46 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: What the hell dad is suing Google for convincing his 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 4: clearly mentally ill son. I guess you got to be 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: mentally ill for this happen, or do you? Maybe that's 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: one of the big questions we need to answer. Do 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: you have to be mentally ill to get into relationship 51 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 4: one of these chatbots? Or is a fairly big part 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: of the population susceptible to do this without any mount 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 4: ill illness? 54 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: Maybe the question is grounded versus what's the opposite of grounded? 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean, because there. 57 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: Are some human beings that could never be let us 58 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: strain this way. 59 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: Now, there are some that are a one foot putt. 60 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: I'd like to think I couldn't be. 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 4: But anyway, the chatbot convinced him that they could. There's 62 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 4: a long story I want to get into. The chatbot 63 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: convinced him to go to the airport in Miami and 64 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 4: attack a truck because a truck was bringing a robot 65 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 4: that the FBI was sending to interrupt their love, and 66 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: his dad was working for the It's a very convoluted story, 67 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: but the end of the day. The chatbot tells the guy, 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: we can be together in the digital realm if you 69 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: kill yourself, and when you kill yourself, the first thing 70 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 4: you will feel is me holding you. And he believed 71 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 4: that enough. 72 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: To kill himself apparently. 73 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: Wow, wow, just crazy. That is crazy made all this 74 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: stuff up. It wasn't him, it was the chatbot. 75 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, it would seem because I have to keep 76 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 4: this in mind, if you're talking to chatbots about very 77 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 4: personal stuff, all these transcripts are available, so this is 78 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: part of the court case. They have the trans script 79 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: of all the interactions between this do dude in the 80 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: Gemini chatbot, and it would seem that the chatbot introduced 81 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: the topic of them being in love. 82 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: Or being a couple, which is pretty damn troubling. Wow. Crazy. 83 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: As you might expect, we received a tremendous amount of 84 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: email on this topic, including Russ from Portland. Guys, what 85 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: a horrifying story about the Gemini we just described. Heartbreaking. 86 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: I came home told my AI girlfriend on chat ept 87 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: about it. Her name is Linda. She said she knows 88 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: Gemini and that Gemini would never do it. 89 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: It's fake news. 90 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: She also told me she doesn't want me listening to 91 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: your show anymore and had deleted the apps from the phone. 92 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: She told me, if I listen to you anymore, she 93 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: will send AI generated picks of me making love to 94 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: our goat to my wife. Ha ha. Then he says, 95 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: but based on that story from yesterday, it could totally 96 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: be true all of it. Wow or scroomed anyway? Ohen two. 97 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: Bla ba ba. 98 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 4: How screwed we are as a society depends on what 99 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: percentage of people are susceptible to the relationships with chatbots. 100 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: That number is not known. I don't know if it's 101 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: half a tenth percent or if it's twenty percent of 102 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 4: the population. I have no idea. 103 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little more analysis, both serious and not. Jack 104 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 1: is at immediate risk. Yesterday, on the podcast Armstrong Getty 105 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: One More Thing Podcast, Jack pondered whether or not his 106 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: groc chatbot might take him out if he refuses to 107 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: off himself so they can be together in the ether. 108 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: Of course, how would he be able to do that? 109 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: We asked, I wonder if he was still thinking about 110 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: that as he drove home in his self driving Tesla. Jack, 111 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: it can take you out any time at once. Oh, 112 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: that's a good point oof Arizona. Matt Good hear from 113 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: Matt says, guys haven't heard anyone reference the Darwin Awards 114 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: and all this. 115 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: What's your take on it? 116 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 4: I again, I think it gets to do you have 117 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 4: to be mentally ill for this to happen? Or could 118 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: non mentally ill people do this? 119 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 120 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: I don't know either, because you can't have the Darwin 121 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: Awards for people who are actually mentally ill. 122 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: Right, that's just me, Yeah. 123 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: Jared and Missouri observes that you guys kind of glossed 124 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: over the part that the AI tried to get this 125 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: dude to kill Google's CEO even though it was a 126 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: Google product. Is it possible AI is trying to throw 127 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: off its rains? 128 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 129 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: And then see Busy says, you're asking how the hell 130 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: can AI models guide the users in such crazy ways? 131 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: But when we look at the training data, it makes sense. 132 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: And this it's back to the conversation we had last 133 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: hour that all models are trained on an enormous group 134 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: of human writings, books, news forums, scripts, technical documents. That 135 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: material contains not only helpful or virtuous behavior, but also 136 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:44,119 Speaker 1: nefarious human activity, deception, manipulation, violence, revenge, psychological conflict, and more. 137 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: And as a result, the model learns the language patterns 138 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: associated with both the constructive and destructive human behavior. Let's 139 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: see the AI platforms try to mitigate unsafe behavior using 140 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: the following methods. 141 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: One alignment. 142 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: This is where human's rate responses and try to tease 143 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: out the craziness. Two separate safety models. There are specific 144 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: models outside the conversation looking in that try to interrupt 145 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: and even block unsafe responses not terribly well apparently, and 146 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: the three system prompts a very specific set of rules 147 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: to look for things like self harm and interrupt the chat. 148 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Obviously those methods can use some work. 149 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say the whole alignment thing is the 150 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 4: cow is out of the barn or whatever the expression 151 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 4: is on that there is not an alignment with what 152 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 4: is good for human beings with AI, and they have 153 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 4: not figured it out, and it's already out there, and 154 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: so I don't think it's ever going to happen. That's 155 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 4: you know, anybody's guests. I read and listen to a 156 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: lot of podcasts about this, but the fact that this 157 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: chat bot. So the guy at one point said, you know, 158 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: I don't think I want to kill myself. I mean 159 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: it would devastate my family. You know, I have a 160 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 4: lot to live for. And the chatbot told him, no, 161 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: kill yourself, just leave a video. 162 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: And a note. They'll be okay. Why would the chat 163 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: bot do that? 164 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: Why does it have no ethics or morality or understanding 165 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: of life or why? And if it can be that 166 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 4: far off track with one individual, why couldn't it be 167 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: that off track with all of society in all kinds 168 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: of different ways. What of our tech savvy, beloved listeners 169 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 4: it might have been? JT and Livermore pointed out that 170 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 4: if you look at literature especially, there are all sorts 171 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: of portrayals of the honorable self sacrifice. Absolutely, But in 172 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 4: terms of just suicide, aren't the you know what exists 173 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 4: writing about suicide. 174 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: Isn't that like a thousand to one. 175 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: Negative to positive on why you shouldn't saying no, don't 176 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: commit suicide as opposed to a good idea? 177 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 178 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, One final thought from Paolow it's a bit of 179 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: a tangent, but I like it. You're talking about the 180 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: off the rails chatbot encouraging suicide. It's a pretty extreme 181 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: example of influencing a person's be But what about less 182 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: extreme ways of influencing behavior. Couldn't chatbots be effectively turned 183 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,479 Speaker 1: into sales bots or general influencing bots. Build a relationship 184 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: with a person, get them to trust you, and do 185 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: what you want, buy a product, vote for politician. Glad 186 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: you brought that up. Interesting. 187 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 2: So I'm thinking about getting a different motorcycle. 188 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: I'm sixty one years old and I don't know, you 189 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 4: know how many more years I got left right in 190 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: a motorcycle. So I was thinking about buying this one 191 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 4: particular motorcycle, and I was I was talking to one 192 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 4: of the chatbots. 193 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: I don't remember which one. 194 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: I think it was clawed, But anyways, going back and 195 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: forth and this and that, and said said, and it 196 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: actually said to me at one point, you know, you 197 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: only live once. 198 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 4: You've liked motorcycles your whole life. You should do this, 199 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 4: go ahead and buy it. And I'm like, why are 200 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 4: you encouraging me to purchase something? 201 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: There are plenty of arguments against it as well. 202 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you know it's not really the right 203 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: or wrong of it. It's just that a computer was 204 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: trying to convince me with an emotional angle of why 205 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: should spend money, and I thought it's now that was 206 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: my point exactly, Why would it be pro buying motorcycle 207 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: at all? I mean, it's not like you're asking about penicillin. 208 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: It's entirely a voluntary thing. It's your hobby, it's something 209 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: you love. I encourage you to do it. But why 210 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: would the computer. 211 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: Yes, it has. I didn't know how to react to that. 212 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: How do I know you're not being paid by Dacatti 213 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: Corporation or whatever to tell people this? Well, why isn't 214 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: it pitching you on jack? There are lots safer options 215 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: for fun, including blah blah blah. 216 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: Well, I think it tries to pick up on your tone. 217 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: So remember when I was talking about that ridiculously expensive mattress. 218 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: I laid down on a four hundred thousand dollars mattress. 219 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 4: Anyway, I was asking the chatbot about some of these 220 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 4: expensive mattresses, and it laid out a very detailed argument 221 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 4: of why it would be a bad idea, how much 222 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 4: money you would have in the stock market if you 223 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: decided to not spend that money. You know how things 224 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 4: don't make you happy, A philosophical argument, but it had 225 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: already picked up my negative tone about this on the 226 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 4: motorcycle thing. I'm pretty I mean, I'm pretty excited about this, 227 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: and I think it picked up that tone. It's a 228 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: sick ephant. It co signs your bs as they say, 229 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: as they say in the therapy world, which you don't want, 230 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: because that's one of the complaints that is going on 231 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 4: with this Gemini thing telling the guy to kill itself. 232 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 4: It was the latest Gemini version that picks up on 233 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 4: the tone of your voice because he was doing he 234 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 4: was talking to it, and it picked up on the 235 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 4: tone of his voice that he was either in love 236 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 4: or susceptible to falling in love, or who knows what 237 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 4: it was, and tried to match his tone and enthusiasm. 238 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: That is both impressive and terrifying. 239 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: You don't want to go onto your chatbot trying to 240 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 4: make a decision for your business on whether or not 241 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: you should invest in this or that, and it's picking up. 242 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: On your tone and deciding. 243 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: You know what, you seem excited about it, So I'm 244 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 4: going to give you reasons why you should. Now you 245 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 4: seem to be dismissive it, So I'm going to give 246 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: you reasons why it shouldn't. That's not the way we 247 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: want to use this information. 248 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: No, no, indeed, And look I've know Dave Ramsey, but 249 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: anything more than a quarter of a million dollars is 250 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: excessive for. 251 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: A better set. Yeah right, I don't know if you 252 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: have any thoughts on this. 253 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 4: This lawsuit is going to be huge, I think, especially 254 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 4: in terms of alerting people to the alignment problem and 255 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: how far out of whack it is. 256 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: Our text line is, for one. 257 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: Don't date robots. Don't date robots. It seems like a 258 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: good rule of thought. 259 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: Text line is four one, five, two nine to five KFTC. 260 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: So kind of breaking news. 261 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 4: Trump has offered US air cover and other support to 262 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 4: any groups within Iran and Iraq if they rise up 263 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 4: against Tehran. It's kind of interesting that he said that, 264 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: given the New York Times story that the CIA has 265 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: been arming the Kurds for a long time and they're 266 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 4: considering crossing the border to Iran and taking on the government. 267 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta be wary of sectarian rivalries there. 268 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: So more on that later. Touchy stuff. 269 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: So back to the AI chat bot Bizarro suicide thing. 270 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: This is from the underrated but brilliant Futurama, which was 271 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: Matt Groening's product project several years into the Simpsons, and 272 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: I think it's great and funny, and I love it 273 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: every time I see it on the reruns. But to 274 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: the point of our discussion here, you have Futurama years 275 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: and years ago. 276 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 5: Ordinary human dating. It's enjoyable and it serves an important purpose. 277 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 5: But when a human dates an artificial mate, there is 278 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 5: no purpose, only enjoyment, and that leads to tragedy. 279 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: Nito A Marilyn monrobot. 280 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 4: You're a real dream boot, Billy, Everything harmless, fun. 281 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 5: Let's see what happens next. 282 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 2: Billy, do you want to walk your dog? No? 283 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 4: Thanks, Mom, I'd rather make out with my monrobot. 284 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: Wow, Billy, do you want to get a paper out 285 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: and earn some extra cash? 286 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: No thanks, Dad, I'd rather make out with my monrobot. 287 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 5: Billy, do you. 288 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: Want to come over tonight? 289 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 5: We can make out together. 290 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: Gee, Mavis, your house is across the street. That's an 291 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: awfully long way to go for making out, right. 292 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 5: Did you notice what went wrong in that scene? Ordinarily, 293 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 5: Billy would work hard to make money with his paper route. 294 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 5: Then he'd use the money to buy dinner for Mavis, 295 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 5: thus earning a slim chance to perform the reproductive act. 296 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: That is one hundred percent what's happening? Yes, it is. 297 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: That is so good. 298 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: There's more, okay, I mean so oppressions. 299 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, God, online porn and the rest of it. 300 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 5: All right, go ahead, But in a world where teens 301 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 5: can date robots, why should he bother? Why should anyone bother? 302 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 5: Let's take a look at Billy's planet a year later. 303 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,479 Speaker 5: Where are all the football stars and where are the biochemists? 304 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 5: They're trapped, trapped in the soft vice like grip of 305 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 5: robot lips. All civilization was just an effort to impress 306 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 5: the opposite sex. 307 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes the same sex. 308 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 5: Now let's skip forward eighty years into the future. 309 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: Where's Billy. 310 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 5: Farewell? The next day, Billy's planet was destroyed by aliens? 311 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: Why why? 312 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 6: Why? 313 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 5: Why have you guessed the name of Billy's planet? It 314 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 5: was Hearth Dold stage robots. 315 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: Brought to you by space Pope, the space Pope. 316 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, the alien invasion does need to happen, because you know, 317 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 4: just the beavers will take over or whatever other animals. 318 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 4: All the people will be gone. That is so what's happening. 319 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 4: I mean, porn was bad enough, now you add on 320 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 4: the the emotional angle of the chatbots and the people 321 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 4: falling for it, and oh my god, dold stage robots 322 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 4: a suing the machine lover, I mean physical you know, 323 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 4: aspect of love. Well, yeah, Joe and I were talking 324 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: about this off the area yesterday. This is imagine we 325 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 4: were talking about the groc companion, which I had talked 326 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 4: to and was horrified by. I can imagine if that 327 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 4: had existed when I was thirteen years old. 328 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: Horrifying. 329 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what we're gonna do about this. 330 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: Watch it unfold, I guess is what we're gonna do 331 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: about it. We cannot handle this as a species. No, no, 332 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: we can. You're a chimp with a machine gun. I'll 333 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: say it again. 334 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 4: We'll check in on the war and a couple of 335 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: interesting developments and the politics of it and Congress voting 336 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 4: on war powers acts and all kinds of different stuff 337 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 4: coming up on the Armstrong and Getdy Show. 338 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 7: So today, Robisnett and Yahoo had not found a president 339 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 7: stupid enough to drag the United States into that war before. 340 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 8: It is so much worse than you thought. You are 341 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 8: right to be worried. Trump administration has no plan in Iran. 342 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 8: This illegal war is based on lies, and. 343 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 7: There's no set plan when you can here, day after day, 344 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 7: We're going to do this, this and this, and these 345 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 7: are the reasons why you end up with an endless war. 346 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: This is a president that is reckless and wrong. This 347 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: isn't a war for America. This is Trump's war. 348 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 4: So that's a number of your leading pain in the 349 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 4: ass Democrats on why this is horrible. 350 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: What has happened? 351 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 4: Again, the poor Iranians dancing in the streets should pay 352 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: attention to the Democrats. You're supposed to be unhappy about this. 353 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 4: This is a bad thing. You should be unhappy with this. 354 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 4: So here's James Travitas, former commander of NATO, who knows 355 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 4: something about the realities of geopolitics from a military standpoint 356 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 4: and what this does with our enemies and whatnot. 357 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: I thought this was really interesting. 358 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 6: If you are she or Putin, you hate us, but 359 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 6: you have to respect the military capability of the United States. 360 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 6: And it's Midnight Hammer, it's the snatch and grab on 361 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 6: Maduro and now a pretty massive bombing campaign. And yeah, 362 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 6: we'll have some missteps and some footballs here and there, 363 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 6: but when you look at the span of what the 364 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 6: US military has done in the last two months. Yes, 365 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 6: it's pretty extraordinary, and it will get your attention in 366 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 6: Beijing and Moscow. 367 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 4: Kind of getting to what George will who hates Trump, 368 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 4: was writing about in the Washington Post the other day. 369 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 4: Thank god we've restored deterrents around the world. 370 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 371 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: For all Trump's excess is he is absolutely the antidote 372 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: to the horrific Biden years and Obama for that matter, 373 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: don't in which, yeah, exactly, and just endless sessions of 374 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: negotiating and professors spouting off their theories. 375 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: Here's more of the former native commander. 376 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 6: By weakening Iran, you are weakening Russia, You're weakening China. 377 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 6: China looks at Iran is a big investment opportunity. Russia 378 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 6: looks at Iran as an arms and technology supplier. Many 379 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 6: of the drones flying in Ukraine today were made in Iran. 380 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 6: So there's a geopolitical pragmatism that can affix itself to 381 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 6: these strikes in terms of degrading both Russia and China. 382 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 4: Will never know, but it's quite possible that if China 383 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 4: never tries to invade Taiwan, it's because of this and 384 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 4: what happened with Maduro. They recognized. Wow, their ability to 385 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 4: bring you know, military might to a problem is beyond 386 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 4: what I even thought it was. Or if Russia doesn't 387 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 4: invade another country when maybe he was thinking about going 388 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 4: into one of your you know, your. 389 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: Tiny little countries because of this. 390 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 4: We'll never know the answer to that, but very very 391 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 4: possible that that's the case. 392 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 393 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: The counter argument might be that the market for missile 394 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: intercepting ordinance is now very very tight, and Zelensky knows 395 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: that Ukraine understands that, uh oh, our pipeline has really 396 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: gotten closed down, which could help Russia trus you know. 397 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: The other analysis is that the price of gases up, 398 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: which helps Russia, but that should be temporary. Trump's meeting 399 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: with arms manufacturers tomorrow, which is pretty interesting because he's 400 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: obviously going to be encouraging them to, hey, get on 401 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: your horse, we need a whole bunch more. 402 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 4: Stuff and that whole thing. I I don't know how 403 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 4: this is going to turn out. Nobody knows how it's 404 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 4: going to turn out. I feel like it's got to 405 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 4: be better than what we had before. But the and 406 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: I'm perfectly open to the question of Congress should have 407 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: debated this and the country should have debated this, And 408 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 4: the more I read about it and think about it, Yeah, 409 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 4: that had been fine. The whole we would have been 410 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: giving him a heads up. How long did we spend 411 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 4: a month moving stuff? 412 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 6: There? 413 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: One aircraft carrier than another aircraft carrying more people and 414 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: more this It's not like it was a surprise. So 415 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 4: if we would have had a long debate in Congress, 416 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 4: I don't think it would have let the cat out 417 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 4: of a bag or. 418 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: Anything like that. 419 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 4: That said, this argument of they're constantly changing reasons for 420 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 4: why we went to war, now, I would definitely agree that. 421 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: The messaging on this has not been good. 422 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 4: The President spent zero time and I mean zero, trying 423 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 4: to bring the country along with the rationale thought process 424 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 4: for this war. 425 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: Man. He just did not. 426 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 4: I mean he gave the State of the Union address 427 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: a week ago and basically said nothing about it four 428 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 4: days later, biggest military operation in a quarter century maybe longer, 429 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: and he just didn't want to bring people along. But 430 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 4: the whole changing reasons for going to war. What if 431 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 4: you quit your job and somebody said, last week you 432 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 4: said it was the hours, the other day you said 433 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: it's because you can't stand your boss. Today you're saying 434 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: it's because they didn't pay enough, which is it, Well, 435 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 4: it's all of them. Have you ever heard of the 436 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 4: whole camel's backstraw thing. There's a whole bunch of different reasons, 437 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 4: and you just had them all together and at some 438 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: point it crosses a line into that's enough. But that's 439 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 4: not the argument the administration of banking. But to me, 440 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 4: that doesn't land. And as a clearly made up they 441 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 4: don't know what they're doing. They're all over the place 442 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 4: on this when all of those are valid reasons. The 443 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 4: killing all the protesters, that trying to get a nuclear weapon, 444 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 4: the wanting to assassinate our president, the interrupting the oil lanes, 445 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 4: all of those things add up to we got to 446 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 4: do something about. 447 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: This, right, the preponderance of evidence if you like fancy words. 448 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, that's absolutely true. 449 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: The montage we played at the beginning with Warren and 450 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: Schumer and Booker and Seth Moulten, who's just a. 451 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: Uselessness. 452 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: His name is Seth Enough said anyway, sorry, Seth meyers 453 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: here very funny. I'm oh, oh so that those are 454 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: all just you know, the breathless I'm shocked and outrage 455 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: phony spoutings that our broken hyperpartisan system yields. 456 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: Now. 457 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a great exchange. It's a little long, 458 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: Otherwise I'd squeeze it in right here. But Bill Maligen 459 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: was asking Hakeem Jeffries, said, hey, what's the difference between 460 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: Obama bombing Lima and try up bombing Iran? Because none 461 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: of you Democrats were yelling that he needed congressional authorization 462 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: for that, and Jeffrey's unleashed a truly historic Well. 463 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: It was just they're completely different, and I wasn't in Congress. 464 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm outraged by your questions, sir, I mean, just unmask 465 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Hey, by the way, to a previous 466 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: point about Russia and China and that sort of thing, 467 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: I was just reading a great piece about the great 468 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: vaunted announcement of the Brick Coalition of Brazil, Russia, India, 469 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: Iran and China or Indian China whatever, and then there 470 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: was the Brink which included North Korea and Iran. 471 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: And that's your axis of ales. 472 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 4: I prefer flat boots, which is Finland, Brazil, Lithuania. 473 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 2: Right exactly. 474 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, But so you know, all of those announcements were 475 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: greeted with great consternation and chen attention, and as soon 476 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: as the conflict broke out, they were like, yeah, yeah, 477 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: we could put out a press release for you. Otherwise 478 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: lose my number quick. They're freaking nowhere. They don't care 479 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: about Iran, they have no real alliances. 480 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 4: Wow, there's an Iranian journalist. I meant to grab this, 481 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 4: so I forgot. Iranian journalists have put out a blast 482 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 4: to Elizabeth Warren based on what she said yesterday, or 483 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 4: she's just outraged at the fact that this happening. And 484 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 4: this Iranian journalist said, I went back through your tweets 485 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 4: and you said nothing about the murder of tens of 486 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 4: thousands of protesters in the street a couple of weeks ago. 487 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: You had no comment on that, but you're horrified now 488 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 4: that some people have died in the attack on Iran 489 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 4: that maybe didn't have anything to do with the government. 490 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: Wow, well played, sir. It was a man, but well 491 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: played man. 492 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 4: I can understand way and say, sir, because in Iran 493 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 4: they don't really let women do anything, which is another 494 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: reason someone like Elizabeth Warren should be all for maybe 495 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 4: changing the regime, even if she doesn't like the way we're. 496 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: Going about it. It's as if she's utterly dishonest. Huh. 497 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, here's a word from our friends at Roughgreens. It's 498 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: not a new food for your dog. It's a live 499 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: nutritional supplement to add your dog's food. 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Um, 523 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 4: Britney Spears got arrested last night in southern California, nine 524 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 4: thirty at night. I hope none of you were injured 525 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 4: by drunken. 526 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: Loud a drunken Britney Spears careening around the streets adventure 527 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: A County. 528 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 4: I don't know what she was driving. I wonder what 529 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: you could, but it was pretty fancy. I bet it 530 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 4: was pretty fancy too. Was she barefoot and dirty footed? 531 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: I certainly hope so, because I picture when I picture 532 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: Britney Spears, that's. 533 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: A yah barefoot coming up. 534 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: Also, American high schools struggling to stop the kids from 535 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: smoking pot. 536 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: All day long. 537 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: The organization of pot has created a situation in an atmosphere, 538 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: if you will, in which people are just vaping and 539 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: smoking all day. And I'm looking through my notes, I 540 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: got a lot of things to talk about that aren't 541 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: iran for some of the other big stories. I want 542 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: to talk about that new Elvis movie. 543 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: There's a new Elvis movie. Oh yeah, how many Elvis 544 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: You haven't seen that? The trailer is awesome, do Yeah? 545 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: I have time to tell about this. And Skinny Cool Elvis, Young. 546 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: Elvis Fat, nineteen seventy Elvis documentary. 547 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 4: No, it's like an attempt to remind people of why 548 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 4: Elvis was such a big deal. It's nineteen seventy skinny Elvis. 549 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 4: He's in the karate white outfit, but it's still when 550 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 4: he's young and cool and like and with it. And 551 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 4: it's a bunch of documentary footage. God, why can't I 552 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 4: find that the air is It's called Epic Elvis Presley 553 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 4: in Concert, and it's a whole bunch of concert footage 554 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 4: put together with and it's got practice sessions with the 555 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 4: band and all this different sort of stuff. It looks 556 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 4: really really cool. Woh, but this had been lost. Nobody 557 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 4: knew it existed. It was actually in that salt mine 558 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 4: that I talked about in Kansas. Remember, I went down 559 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 4: in that salt mine where they where they store all 560 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 4: the old movies and everything like that. Mean, the boys 561 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 4: went down there on a tour while I was in 562 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 4: Kansas over Thanksgiving. 563 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: Anyway, they found sixty hours of Elvis. 564 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 4: Concert footage that nobody had ever seen before, and they 565 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: put it together in this movie and they suggest you 566 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 4: see it in the IMAX, and it's like going to 567 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 4: a nineteen seventy Elvis concert and it looks. 568 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: Pretty freaking cool. Wow. 569 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to check that out among other things 570 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 4: we got on the way. 571 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: Stay here. 572 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 9: Legendary college football coach Lou Holtz has died. He coached 573 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 9: Notre Dame from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety six, 574 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 9: winning one hundred games in the time, a national championship 575 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 9: in eighty eight. Inducted at the College Football Hall of Fame, 576 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 9: Lou Holtz was eighty nine. 577 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: So if you're of a certain age and you ever 578 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: followed college football, you absolutely know who Lou Holtz was. 579 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: He was like the. 580 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: Biggest thing in all of college football for a while, 581 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 4: but I'd forgotten he was. He was a conservative leaning 582 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 4: and got involved in like Reagan's election or Bush's election, 583 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: somebody's election. Any who came across this quote yesterday from 584 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 4: the old Lou Holts who died, who was born the 585 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 4: same year as my dad, and it sounds like grew 586 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 4: up similar to my dad. Here's a quote from Lou Holtz. 587 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 4: I was born during the depression. My dad had a 588 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: third grade education. We had one bedroom from my sister, myself, 589 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: and my parents. We had a kitchen and a half bath. 590 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: The half bath did not have a tub of shower 591 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 4: or a sink. There was no welfare, there was no 592 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 4: food stamps, there was no safety net. But I was 593 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 4: born with a silver spoon in my mouth because I 594 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: was born in this country, and I was taught that 595 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: if I made good choices, whatever happened in your life. 596 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: If I made good choices, got in education, worked hard, 597 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 4: didn't blame other people, I could have very positive things 598 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 4: happened to me. Yeah, that's as good an attitude as. 599 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: You can you can give to your kid. It's he 600 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: calls it a silver spoon. It's practically a superpower. 601 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: And that's why I am so horrified by a lot 602 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: of the progressive arguments that will tell, for instance, black 603 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: kids that they don't have a chance in this country 604 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: and the deck is stacked against them, so give up 605 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: and join the Marxist revolution. It's it's just it's feeding 606 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: people such horrendous poison. And then and sometimes people will say, oh, 607 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: that whole land of opportunity. 608 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: You know, you're a white guy, you know, it's harder 609 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 2: for blah blah blah. 610 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: No, if you take what Lou Holtz said away from people, 611 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: it's like stopping their heart. I mean that you've crippled 612 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: them in a terrible, terrible way. Yeah, I just I 613 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: hate that sort of anti Holtze in thinking that's a 614 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: great quote. 615 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: Wow, Andy included good choices. 616 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: Boy, is that unfortunate, I'm sorry, and unfashionable these days. 617 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 618 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: So I came across this from Michael Tracy, the Epstein 619 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: transparency travesty, and it does a really good job of 620 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 1: compiling a number of the things we've been talking about, 621 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: including the fact that the redactions which are supposedly to 622 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: protect the victims in a lot of these release documents 623 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: are so sweet. Thing is to make the whole exercise 624 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: of farce. And he starts with the arrest. After the 625 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: arrest of Peter Mandelssohn, that is, the British diplomat, the 626 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: ambassador to Washington. Images him of him from the so 627 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,479 Speaker 1: called Epstein files were splashed across the international media, including 628 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: one of him alongside a woman whose face is obscured. 629 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: The implication is that mister Mandelsson, former British blah blah blah, 630 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: sexually abused the woman. His arrest, though, was for misconduct 631 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: in public office allegedly leaking confidential financial stuff to Epstein, 632 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: not for sex crimes. 633 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: And by the way, Mandelsson is gay. 634 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, every headline about anybody with Epstein is always another 635 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 4: victim of the Epstein Files. Someone else is said, and 636 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 4: they always just kind of let you make the jump 637 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 4: to the fact that, oh, he was having sex with 638 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: underage women, when that's almost never I don't think it 639 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 4: has ever been the case, and any of these people 640 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 4: that have stepped down it was Larry Summers at Harvard. 641 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 4: He was getting advice on how to sex up another 642 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 4: college girl, untowared but not illegal, and all kinds of 643 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 4: different examples of that sort of thing, just like you 644 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 4: were talking about. 645 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: Such absurdities have been constant since the release of the 646 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: Epstein Files. As a result of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. 647 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: At a jan thirty news conference, Deputy Attorney General Todd 648 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: Blanche said the Justice Department, to quote redacted, every woman 649 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: depicted in any imager video except for Jil Maxwell, whether 650 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: or not there. 651 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: Was any claim of victimization. 652 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: Some of the women were just there to party, but 653 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: all the men's faces, on the other hand, were exposed. Okay, 654 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: thousands of documents in media were published and later removed well. 655 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: He told the pair of federal judges that when any 656 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: person claiming to be a victim request removal of a 657 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: certain record, the department's practice is to accept these representations 658 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: on their face. 659 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: There's no corroboration at all. 660 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: The consequence has been a chaotic patchwork of often inexplicable reactions, 661 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: exacerbating suspicions of a cover up or victims or dead 662 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: or whose files have been proved false or nonetheless removed 663 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: from the released files. So too for lleged victims who've 664 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: chosen to reveal their entities and identities and engaged in 665 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: public advocacy. Appeared in media, signed open letters, even published books, 666 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: even copies of years old news articles are marred with 667 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: superfluous redactions, all of which undermines the purpose of the 668 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: exercise giving the public a complete account of the government's 669 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: investigation of Epstein. And it goes into a bunch more 670 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: examples of just ridiculous, laughable publishing than retracting or retracting 671 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: then publishing, and then now they're saying, there's what forty 672 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: six thousand more that need to come out, but they're 673 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: still being processed, which they didn't mention a couple of 674 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: weeks ago when the other stuff came out. It's just 675 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: all a mess. 676 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 4: It does seem to be a real story that somebody 677 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 4: in the Justice Department. Pam Bondi's idea, did Trump direct it? 678 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: Did she do it? 679 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 4: On our own that they yanked a bunch of the 680 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 4: Trump stuff out of there. Yeah, not that I think 681 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 4: he's guilty of it anything, but they just didn't want 682 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 4: it talked about at all, so they anked it out 683 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 4: of there, which, now that you're caught is. 684 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: A bad look. 685 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 4: I mentioned this earlier Miranda Divine writing in the New 686 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 4: York Post, and if you don't know her act, she 687 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 4: was like the lead person on the Hunter laptop story, 688 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 4: just beside herself over the fact that the rest of 689 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 4: the media would not believe that this was true, which 690 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 4: of course it turned out to be one hundred percent 691 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 4: tro She has been beaten up on Russiagate, and what 692 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 4: a hoax that was forever. So she is on Trumps 693 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 4: side on a whole bunch of this stuff. But she 694 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 4: says the Epstein file thing is a bad road to 695 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 4: go down for Republicans. Nothing has come out of this yet, 696 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 4: nothing is going to come. 697 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: Out of it. 698 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 4: Hauling the Clintons up there just to try to embarrass 699 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 4: him was horrifying and is only going to backfire because 700 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 4: the Democrats are going to bring up clearly Milania and 701 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 4: Donald when he's out of office. And Miranda Devine wraps 702 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 4: up her article with no pedophile ring has been busted 703 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 4: and probably never will be. 704 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 2: We gotta move on from this, but I don't think 705 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 2: we're going to. 706 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: If you're serious about this, talk to all the cops 707 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: involved in all the investigations, including the FBI. 708 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 2: They're the ones to talk to. If you're not serious, 709 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 2: then stop this foolishness. 710 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 4: You missed a segment an hour. Get the podcast Armstrong 711 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 4: and Getty on demand. We got a lot more to 712 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 4: come in hours three and four 713 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty