WEBVTT - Tugboats: Pushing Their Way Around Since 1803

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude do and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's Chuck and Jerry's here too for the present moment,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is stuff you should Know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, another listener request. These are just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pouring in now, or rather, we're leaning on them more

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<v Speaker 1>than we have before, I guess, because they're great ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>But this one came also from the live show in Atlanta. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and do you remember this guy? Do you remember his name?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I do. It was Thomas, because this episode is

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<v Speaker 2>Tugboats for Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Tug Boats for Thomas, and Thomas I believe works on

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<v Speaker 1>tugboats suggested it and this has turned out to be

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<v Speaker 1>just a bread and butter stuff you Should Know episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember when he was at the mic asking

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<v Speaker 2>the question and making the suggestion. He kept moving around

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<v Speaker 2>because he still had a scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, he's bumping into people. They're like, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, hopefully we'll do Thomas proud because we know

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about tugboats now after researching them for

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<v Speaker 2>a little while. Big shout out to our friend Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Ruse for helping us with this. You could do worse

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<v Speaker 2>than going to check out Ruse's podcast Bible Time Machine,

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<v Speaker 2>and that has nothing to do with tugboats. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because we're gonna we're gonna sing the unsung

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<v Speaker 1>like we like to do on the show, because no

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<v Speaker 1>one ever thinks about tugboats. You see them all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>If you live near harbor or vacation or visit cities

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<v Speaker 1>that have harbors, you see those tugboats and those big

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<v Speaker 1>ships and barges get all the sexy headlines. But those

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<v Speaker 1>tugboats are doing the yeomen's work. That's why they call

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<v Speaker 1>them nautical laborers early in their I Guess mission when

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<v Speaker 1>they first started coming online on c Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll get to that in a minute about the

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<v Speaker 2>history of tugboats because it actually goes back way further

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<v Speaker 2>than you would think, or not as far as you think,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on what you're thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>But thirteen twenty Nope, not that far twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that tugboats are that makes

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<v Speaker 2>them like the workhorses of the sea, as you can

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<v Speaker 2>put it, is that they have really impressive power to

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<v Speaker 2>tonnage ratiows. Yeah, so the size of the tugboat. The

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<v Speaker 2>actual weight the tugboat weighs compared to the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>power output its engines can create, usually in horse power,

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<v Speaker 2>is really lopsided, so that these fairly comparatively light boats

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<v Speaker 2>compared to like the horsepower they create, can pull pull, pull,

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<v Speaker 2>and they can push push push, and they can do

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of amazing stuff, which is why they can

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<v Speaker 2>move these enormous huge oil tankers and shipping tanker or

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<v Speaker 2>shipping container ships with just the mighty might of their

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<v Speaker 2>little hearts. You'd think I would have practiced something like

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<v Speaker 2>that because it would have been way better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean not to undersell tugboats. They are dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with things that are floating in water, which helps. But

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<v Speaker 1>these are big, massive things floating in floating in water.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you could get in a in a lake, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could you could pull a rope attached to

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<v Speaker 1>a pontoon boat. What and you could pull that thing

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<v Speaker 1>around a little bit. You could swim that thing around

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit because it's floating in water.

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<v Speaker 2>What universe do you live in that maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Where you max out you are the tugboat of the lake, Josh.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can do that to a pontoon boat because

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<v Speaker 1>these tugboats are a little compared to these huge barges

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<v Speaker 1>that are floating around. Does that is that making any

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<v Speaker 1>sense at all?

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<v Speaker 2>It's making too much sense. I've never considered myself the

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<v Speaker 2>tugboat of the lake. Can I be doing this with

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<v Speaker 2>my teeth? Can I be holding the rope with my teeth?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that'd be much Uh, that's up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that'd be better swimming with two arms.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go do some some thirbig trials for it and

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<v Speaker 2>figure out the most the one right way to pull

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<v Speaker 2>a pontoon in a lake.

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<v Speaker 1>We should tell them what bollard pull is to because

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<v Speaker 1>that's the other big sort of measurement when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to tugging and pushing. A bollard first of all is

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<v Speaker 1>that big sort of chunky thing on a dock that

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<v Speaker 1>you'll tie a boat to the big daddies, And bollard

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<v Speaker 1>pull is the total amount of towing force generated by

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<v Speaker 1>a tugboat. And they measure that in killo Newton's.

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<v Speaker 2>They do, And I've seen that often converted to tons,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the same thing. The more killing Newtons you have,

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<v Speaker 2>or the more tons you have, the more pulling power,

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<v Speaker 2>towing power, pushing power that tugboat has. So there's this

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<v Speaker 2>one boat that Dave found called the Island Victory. At

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<v Speaker 2>least one article called the most powerful boat in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw other articles that name some other shipping contains vessel.

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<v Speaker 2>But this, this tugboat, say, it's probably the most powerful

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<v Speaker 2>tugboat around. The Island Victory has a ballard pull of

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred or four thousand, six hundred and eighty kilo newtons,

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<v Speaker 2>which converts to four hundred and seventy seven tons. A

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<v Speaker 2>typical harbor tug, which is nothing to sneeze at, has

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<v Speaker 2>a ballard pull between five hundred and six hundred kilo

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<v Speaker 2>newtons six hundred killing newtons converts to sixty one tons.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is an enormously powerful boat. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point. They're not fast, they aren't pretty, they're cute

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<v Speaker 2>in a really weird way, but they can generate so

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<v Speaker 2>much power that they can push a shipping container vessel around.

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<v Speaker 2>More importantly, if you have a really high ballard pull.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason that this is this rating is even there

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<v Speaker 2>is to find out which tug you can connect to

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<v Speaker 2>which vessel because of a vessel starting to go in

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong direction and it's about to crash into, say

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<v Speaker 2>a bridge. The tugboat has to be able to go

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<v Speaker 2>from zero, not moving at all in the water, to

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<v Speaker 2>pulling that boat in the opposite direction away from that

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<v Speaker 2>bridge in a moment's notice, and it has to have

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<v Speaker 2>that much power, and they do. They do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they are very attractive boats. You can tell

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<v Speaker 1>a tugboat because it has you know, they're built to

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<v Speaker 1>tug and push. So they have a very wide beam

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<v Speaker 1>which is the widest point of the boat. They sit

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<v Speaker 1>very low in the water, which is called a deep draft,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know they're little short, stubby, wide guys that

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<v Speaker 1>sit really low. I think they're adorable and cool looking.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very very stable. They're not tippy at all when

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're bumping against other things, they're pushing other things,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they have to be just super stable. And

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<v Speaker 1>also love that they have beards that front bumper or

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<v Speaker 1>a or a balfender. They call it a beard in

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<v Speaker 1>that lingo, and I think that's pretty great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it's just what they use. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>when they purposely or accidentally bump up against a larger ship.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just have the tugboat like crack up so

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<v Speaker 2>you have a bender.

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<v Speaker 1>They're built a bump.

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<v Speaker 2>They are built a bump. And some tugboats aren't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>built with a beard. They'll have tires strung along the

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<v Speaker 2>side to use as a bumper as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think those are additional. I think the front

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<v Speaker 1>always has a built in beard.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fine, So one other thing that you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>find about tugboats that will talk about more in depth

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<v Speaker 2>later is that they're extremely nimble. They're agile, they can

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<v Speaker 2>move in a different direction very quickly. And that that's

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<v Speaker 2>a really important thing too, because one of the big

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<v Speaker 2>jobs that the tugboat plays in, say like a shipping

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<v Speaker 2>lane at like a port, is to help avoid other

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<v Speaker 2>ships coming in or out. So they have to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to move not just pull a ship very easily,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have to be able to move quickly and

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<v Speaker 2>move that ship out of the way of say like

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<v Speaker 2>another ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And I say we take an earlier break

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<v Speaker 1>because we're at a great spot to break here before

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about the history of these things. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Let's break it all right, let's break

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<v Speaker 1>on three all right, I promise talk of history, and

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<v Speaker 1>here we go, because if you want to to invent

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<v Speaker 1>a tugboat, the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries was a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good time to do it because we were using sailing

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<v Speaker 1>ships at the time for transporting people and goods and

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of things. And those things are gorgeous, beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>in the water. They sailed great out on the high seas,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did not do well, especially because they were

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<v Speaker 1>just sailing ships when they got around land in small,

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<v Speaker 1>tight spaces, so they would you know, you've seen it

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<v Speaker 1>in movies. They would dock or not dock, but they

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<v Speaker 1>would anchor, you know, a couple of hundred feet from

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<v Speaker 1>shore and then start shuttling people and stuff in little

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<v Speaker 1>tiny boats because that's about as close as they could

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<v Speaker 1>safely get, and that's not efficient. Taylor would be rolling

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<v Speaker 1>over in.

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<v Speaker 2>His grave, that's right. There was another problem too, Even

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<v Speaker 2>for a ship that could it was nimble enough to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of navigate its way into port, say like the

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<v Speaker 2>mouth of a river in a harbor or something, right

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<v Speaker 2>once it got in there, it had to wait for

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<v Speaker 2>the wind to whip up again to set sail once more.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was not something that happened every hour on

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<v Speaker 2>the hour, even twice a day like the tide. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you would have to wait for days or weeks for

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<v Speaker 2>the right wind to come up that you could catch

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<v Speaker 2>and ship back out to see again. Also not at

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<v Speaker 2>all efficient, So there was like a real need for

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<v Speaker 2>tugboats to be invented. But what's nuts is tugboats were

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<v Speaker 2>invented and then ignored for decades, and then finally the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who invented them, who was just totally made fun

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<v Speaker 2>of as we'll see for inventing tugboats, was vindicated. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Already, Yeah, I think he was. He was from England,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth century inventor. His name, no Lie, was Jonathan Holes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>It is pretty nuts. And he thought it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a helper vessel is what he called it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>powered by a steam engine. But we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>was tugboats. It could tow a sailboat in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of port. This was in seventeen thirty seven when he

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<v Speaker 1>filed for a patent. It was called a description and

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<v Speaker 1>Draft of a new invented machine for carring vessels or

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<v Speaker 1>ships out of or into any harbor, port, or river

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<v Speaker 1>against the wind and tide or in a calm and

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<v Speaker 1>it was totally genius, thirty years before James Watt's steam

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<v Speaker 1>engine hit the scene, and everyone was like, what a

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<v Speaker 1>dumb idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Not only that, the people in his hometown of Gloucester,

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<v Speaker 2>they wrote a song about him. They wrote a song

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<v Speaker 2>they wrote like they thought this guy was so terrible

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<v Speaker 2>and just such a lousy inventor that there was a song.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing people would sing in pubs about him, specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>his name's in the song. And when Jonathan Holds with

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<v Speaker 2>his patent skulls invented a machine to go against wind

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<v Speaker 2>and stream, but he, being an ass, couldn't bring it

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<v Speaker 2>to pass, and so was a shame to be seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Can imagine sitting there nursing like your mead, Well, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>around you is singing that song about you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna try whip whip up a melody.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, Jonathan Holes with his patent skulls invented a

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<v Speaker 2>machine to go against the wind and stream.

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<v Speaker 1>You should finish, okay, but you, being an ass, could

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<v Speaker 1>and bring it to pass, and so was ashamed.

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<v Speaker 2>To be seen. Wow, you went with the Gilbert and

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<v Speaker 2>Sullivan version.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess so all I know is We're getting kicked

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<v Speaker 1>out of his pub any second.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, They're like, get out of Gloucester.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just stop it. We're gonna get so much

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<v Speaker 1>for that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Holes was definitely ahead of his time, but

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<v Speaker 2>it would be sixty years before the first steam powered

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<v Speaker 2>tugboats his invention were actually put into good use and

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<v Speaker 2>they were deployed in Scotland. Yeah. Yeah, and as we'll see,

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<v Speaker 2>actually Scotland was where the tugboat got its name at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. I'm not sure what they call them, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>still helper vessels, I don't know. But one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first things they did was to start pulling cargo along canals,

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<v Speaker 2>because at the time, if you wanted to move cargo

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<v Speaker 2>easily over land, you did it over water that was

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<v Speaker 2>cut into land, and you would do it with a

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<v Speaker 2>donkey pulling your cargo along the shore. The donkey was

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<v Speaker 2>walking on the shore with the line going from the

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<v Speaker 2>donkey to a little barge that was being pulled down

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<v Speaker 2>a water filled canal. That was the state of the

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<v Speaker 2>art at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Have you ever walked along an old river way

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<v Speaker 1>that has those built up banks for that purpose?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Toledo has something called the canal experience or historic

0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.000
<v Speaker 2>canal experience. There's some canals running through part of the

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<v Speaker 2>town from the early nineteenth century that you can walk

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<v Speaker 2>along and you're like, wow, this is an old donkey path. Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I had my experience doing that in Akron, so

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe an Ohio thing. I believe the waterway through

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<v Speaker 1>sand Run is where that was. It was the same

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<v Speaker 1>deal and Emily or her mom or somebody you know,

0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.360
<v Speaker 1>because you're up higher and you know it's an obvious

0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.120
<v Speaker 1>path and they're like, yeah, this this is where the

0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.800
<v Speaker 1>donkeys and pack horses would pull these things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you donkey.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a paddle steamer named Charlotte Dundas that was

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<v Speaker 1>the first tugboat in operation towing for the very pert

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<v Speaker 1>strip I think two fully loaded sloops eighteen miles along

0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the Fourth and Clyde Canal at Glasgow at scorching two

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<v Speaker 1>miles and per hour. Yeah, but still like it was working.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the key, That's all that mattered. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>had all the time in the world, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can bet that every donkey in Scotland was

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<v Speaker 2>like whow yeah, God they invented these things right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Probably.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was also as we talked about one of

0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:55.320
<v Speaker 2>the big problems with sailboats as shipping vessels was that

0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.560
<v Speaker 2>they had trouble getting in and out of harbors. They

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<v Speaker 2>had trouble navigating, They had to wait for the wind

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<v Speaker 2>so very quickly. It seemed kind of obvious that you

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<v Speaker 2>could if you could get one of these boats into

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<v Speaker 2>port into harbor, which you could use a tugboat for,

0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.520
<v Speaker 2>you could also pull it up river. It wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to navigate any longer because you could just pull it

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<v Speaker 2>by a helper vessel into some of the cities that

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<v Speaker 2>were not located on the coast, but they were located

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<v Speaker 2>on a river. One example I can think of is

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<v Speaker 2>London and the Thames.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right forty miles inland, so that was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>boon for London. At the time. There was a steamship

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<v Speaker 1>called the Majestic that worked with the East India Company

0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.640
<v Speaker 1>towing things back and forth up the Thames, and Liverpool

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<v Speaker 1>had one as well, so they were getting in on

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<v Speaker 1>the game there in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>They were so like I said, it was in Scotland

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<v Speaker 2>that tugboats got their name back in eighteen seventeen in Dumbarton.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm saying that, right. Okay, oh, well, how

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<v Speaker 1>would you say it? I would say Dumbarton, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kind it's gotta be Dumbarton. Okay, okay, well

0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.200
<v Speaker 2>we'll go with one of those two. How about that? Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody built a steamship a tug boat that they named

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<v Speaker 2>tug They weren't called tugboats until this time, and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess that name stuck because it also makes sense practically

0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you're tugging a boat behind you, so that from that

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<v Speaker 2>henceforth on they were known as tugboats.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, earlier I was saying that they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this idea is so dumb. I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 1>was that it was so dumb, But steam power and

0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.720
<v Speaker 1>stuff that came along a little bit later, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have steam engines at the time, so they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have even known it was dangerous. But when they did

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<v Speaker 1>come online? Why do keep saying that, I don't think

0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:46.920
<v Speaker 1>it fits right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little anachronistic.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. But online doesn't mean just on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Online just means like it's beginning to function right as

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<v Speaker 1>a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, remember that Simpsons where Lenny goes little kid. Lenny's like, oh,

0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.440
<v Speaker 2>he just logged onto my internet because he pooped his

0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.720
<v Speaker 2>pants out of he pooped his bathing suit with the

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<v Speaker 2>little interneting. So he said he logged onto his internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so good. That's a good line. Oh boy, Lenny,

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<v Speaker 1>and he logged onto my internet. Where was that?

0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:26.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Steam engines were dangerous. They would blow up a lot.

0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:35.159
<v Speaker 1>There was you know, when tugboats first started using you know,

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<v Speaker 1>coming online using that steam. They were like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is it is it better to have this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that might blow up a port? Right?

0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.560
<v Speaker 2>And then the owners were like, well, we don't go

0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.840
<v Speaker 2>on these boats. We just owned them, so sure, I

0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.320
<v Speaker 2>mean that's fine, they can blow up. But yes, they

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<v Speaker 2>were viewed skeptically, I think, right like it was. It

0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.040
<v Speaker 2>was not just a done deal that these things were

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<v Speaker 2>like gonna save the industry or shipping. Yeah, but there

0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.000
<v Speaker 2>was a proving ground what ended up being a proving

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.199
<v Speaker 2>ground on the Tyne River that connected Newcastle to the

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<v Speaker 2>North Sea. They were facing a problem, right. They had

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<v Speaker 2>these barges that were they were called colliers and they

0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.760
<v Speaker 2>were sailboats, but they were coal movers because Newcastle was

0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:24.119
<v Speaker 2>a huge coal producer, and these colliers could do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of damage because they were hard to navigate. They

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<v Speaker 2>had all the same problems that any sailing vessel had.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a guy named Joseph Price who in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighteen was like, I think I've got a solution

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<v Speaker 2>to this. I'm going to buy some of these steamships

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<v Speaker 2>that they're now being called tugboats, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>have them pull these colliers, these coal ships up and

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<v Speaker 2>down the tyne, and I think it's going to revolutionize shipping.

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<v Speaker 2>And Joseph Price was right on the money. The price

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<v Speaker 2>was right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, you almost had it right out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you could get four hundred ton ships because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know if we mentioned they were

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<v Speaker 1>loading like railroad cars onto these things for the first time,

0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.040
<v Speaker 1>so it was very very heavy stuff. They could go

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<v Speaker 1>to Newcastle for the first time. All of a sudden,

0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:17.479
<v Speaker 1>people in more distant places could get coal. So it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just like hey, it made, you know, make things

0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.440
<v Speaker 1>cheaper and more efficient. It like it was literally changing

0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.920
<v Speaker 1>like lives all over the world, right, And.

0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.160
<v Speaker 2>These new towns that were getting coal for the first

0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.800
<v Speaker 2>time were able to give up having to burn dried

0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.359
<v Speaker 2>donkey poop that they scraped up off the donkey trails

0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:35.399
<v Speaker 2>along the canals.

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<v Speaker 1>It was huge for them, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Joseph Price Price proved of the world. Like no,

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<v Speaker 2>these things are extraordinarily valuable, so much so that they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to completely change shipping from this point on. And

0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.400
<v Speaker 2>they definitely have and they're still just as useful as ever.

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<v Speaker 2>And they they made a name for themselves so much

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<v Speaker 2>that the when the Royal Navy purchased their first steamships

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<v Speaker 2>of any kind, they were tugboats. Yeah, the Comet and

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<v Speaker 2>the Monkey, Comment and Monkey. And I can't decide whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's a band name or a cartoon name.

0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Comment and Monkey. That'd be a fun cartoon. I'd watch

0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:20.679
<v Speaker 1>that or drug. I'd also take that comment Monkey, just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they definitely proved their worth pretty early on.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is eighteen eighteen, and the first ones

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<v Speaker 2>were used shortly before that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, And these were paddle boats by the way

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<v Speaker 1>up until the late nineteenth century. If you're picturing like

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<v Speaker 1>your little friendly tugboat in your mind as we talk

0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 1>about all these stories, erase that and now picture a

0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:46.639
<v Speaker 1>tugboat with two paddles on both sides. It wasn't like

0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:48.399
<v Speaker 1>the big paddle in the back, like the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>fun things you ride around on at Stone Mountain Park

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<v Speaker 1>here in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, that's where they're most famous.

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<v Speaker 1>They were paddle wheels on both sides, which seems a

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<v Speaker 1>little wider and more cumbersome, but that really really really

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:05.399
<v Speaker 1>made them much more maneuverable and able to steer in

0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 1>tighter places, and to steer in two different directions like

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<v Speaker 1>a right, I got one of those zero turned lawnmowers.

0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 1>You put those things in two different directions and you're

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<v Speaker 1>just spinning like a top.

0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.719
<v Speaker 2>It's the exact same thing, because those two paddle wheels

0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:20.919
<v Speaker 2>were able to be moved independent of one another. And

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.600
<v Speaker 2>once you can do that, yes, you just start doing

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<v Speaker 2>doughnuts to show off in the harbor, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the nineteenth century came and went and those paddle

0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.879
<v Speaker 2>wheel tugs were replaced with screw propellers, which is another

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<v Speaker 2>term for a propeller like you see on a ship

0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.520
<v Speaker 2>like that's just called screw propeller. So like any ship,

0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:47.879
<v Speaker 2>they were propelled by propellers and then diesel engines came along,

0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 2>and that's when everything really kind of changed, because when

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.560
<v Speaker 2>you have a diesel engine, you can get some amazing

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.520
<v Speaker 2>horsepower out of it, way more than steam. It's also

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.680
<v Speaker 2>less dangerous. I think we talked about all this in

0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:02.560
<v Speaker 2>our Rootolf Diesel episode, and that's when the tugboats became

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<v Speaker 2>started to become the tugboats that we think of today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Shall we take our second break?

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 2>You bet?

0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 1>All right? We took an early one, so we're gonna

0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>take this one, and we're going to come back and

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about well tugboats right after this.

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:51.920
<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned tugboats strike, right, I didn't. Oh, well,

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.959
<v Speaker 2>there's a tugboat strike. We have to talk about. That

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:58.120
<v Speaker 2>really kind of demonstrates how how important tugboats made themselves

0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:02.400
<v Speaker 2>over the years. In New York Harbor, in nineteen forty six,

0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.520
<v Speaker 2>every single tugboat operator, there were three hundred of them

0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 2>in the harbor at the time, they all went on strike.

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:15.320
<v Speaker 2>And this was very quickly it became evident how essential

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 2>tugboats were for everything in New York because there was

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 2>coal coming from Lake Erie through the Erie Canal to

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:27.160
<v Speaker 2>the Hudson down to the Harbor and they would be

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<v Speaker 2>spread all throughout Manhattan and all throughout New York. Food

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 2>shipments came in by barge, garbage went.

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Out by barge.

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.400
<v Speaker 2>New York operated on barges, and if you're using barges,

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 2>you need a tugboat to tow or push those barges.

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.199
<v Speaker 2>So when the tugboat stopped working, New York stopped working.

0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:51.359
<v Speaker 2>And within twelve days the tugboat operators got their demands fulfilled,

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 2>which turns out to have just been nicer hats from

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 2>what I read.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they rationed food. They literally shut the lights down

0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.879
<v Speaker 1>on Broadway. It was their their backup plan of just

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, using smaller boats to ferry stuff in and out.

0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 1>They were just like, Manhattan is far too big for

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 1>this already, right, And the tugboat operators, I guess, I mean,

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:16.919
<v Speaker 1>what a what a moment to sit back and just

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of like float, say yeah, now, yeah, gloat a

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>little bit now now, who was important? The tugboat driver Thomas,

0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>One day we'll be in Atlanta so we could get

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.879
<v Speaker 1>the word out about tugboats and New York. Harver was

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.439
<v Speaker 1>a great place to sort of make that point, because

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you didn't have tugboats. Then those containers

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>with all those goods and services are essentially useless.

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Right, I said float, by the way, but gloat works

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 2>even better.

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh you said float.

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were gloating while we floating. Okay, so there

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.400
<v Speaker 2>were some things that changed, stuff you would not at

0:24:56.440 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 2>all connect to why tugboats became less vital over the year.

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Still incredibly important, and you can make a case that

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:11.439
<v Speaker 2>world shipping would essentially just stop if tugboats stopped. So

0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>they're really important, but just not in exactly the same

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.719
<v Speaker 2>ways as they were before. Because we started getting our

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 2>energy over things like pipelines, We started using things that

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>weren't coal. Trucking and shipping containers became a much bigger

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>thing than say, barges over the years. So with each

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 2>of those things, the tugboat became less and less able

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 2>to do what it did in nineteen forty six. And

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 2>yet it's still so vital that you just can't do

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 2>anything without them.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, you know they've got they've got electric tugs. Now.

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I saw that there's one called the Ewolf.

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, it's good looking tug. I mean it's interesting.

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I never really thought about electric boats, but that's becoming

0:25:57.680 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>more and more of a thing, which is kind of awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It is awesome, and let's talk about why. Here's why, Chuck.

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Remember we said that these things generate crazy amounts of horsepower. Yes,

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 2>some harbor tugs or ocean going tugs generate twenty seven

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 2>thousand plus horse power. Yeah, it's like having twenty seven

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.120
<v Speaker 2>thousand horses just running at the back of this thing,

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.919
<v Speaker 2>like kicking their legs all at once, right. Yeah, And

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>to do that, you use a lot of fuel, a

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 2>ton of diesel fuel. Some of these boats can carry

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>way more than they need in a day, like thirty

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 2>thousand gallons of diesel. But I saw that the average

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 2>harbor tug, which is working almost constantly, will use about

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 2>three thousand gallons of diesel fuel a day. And that

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 2>is a lot of fuel to use, right, So it's

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>using this non renewable resource. It's also putting out crazy

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 2>amounts of diesel emissions. Yeah, and that's just one tug

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.119
<v Speaker 2>boat using three thousand gallons of diesel a day.

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:04.199
<v Speaker 2>The reason also, I was like, why do they carry

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 2>so much more than they need, because doesn't that make

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 2>the tugboat heavier? And therefore you have to use more

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 2>fuel to get more horsepower out of it. And the

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 2>reason that I came up with that I found was

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 2>that time is of such value in a harbor at

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:27.360
<v Speaker 2>a port that it's more costly to stop what you're

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 2>doing and go refuel than it is to carry around

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 2>all that extra fuel. They have those capacities so that

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>they have they take way longer in between refuelings. That's

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the point. That's how crazy important time as imports.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get it, you know, especially in a place

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 1>like New York. Carver very busy, very busy.

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>So you talked about that's the motto over the entrance down.

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 1>To the dock. It says that what also you need

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.119
<v Speaker 1>to be as maneuverable because it's very busy, very busy.

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.199
<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned that a little bit earlier on that

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.959
<v Speaker 1>they need to be able to move really in any direction,

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>very accurately and as quickly as possible. And the asthma

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>thruster was a big change in that because that is

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 1>a imagine a propeller inside a housing sort of like

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a you know, sort of like an e fan or

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 1>something like that, and it can just turn. That's exactly

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>what it looks like. Last thing I never.

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Thought that, but it can.

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>It can turn three hundred and sixty degrees. So it's

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>not a fixed propeller and a rudder for steering, and

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not even a non fixed propeller that can move

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.719
<v Speaker 1>left and right as a propeller that can spin in

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>any direction, which means you got one of those little

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 1>joystick controllers as a tugboat pilot, and you can inch

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that thing in the most minute little ways with just

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>a flick of the stick.

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't that amazing?

0:28:58.280 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Pretty cool?

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I also read about something called a tractor tug which

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 2>has basically two outboard motors like those two side paddle wheels,

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and so you can move them independently. And they have

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of power too, just not as much as

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the asthmuth I think, but they they're controlled by two joysticks.

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's hard enough just think about using one. Imagine

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 2>using two to move a tugboat around like a huge

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 2>ship that you're trying not to knock into other ships.

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 2>It's just I can't It's got to be one of

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>the more stressful jobs around piling a tugboat, right, I

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 2>bet well, I have to ask Thomas.

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did mention a lot. I mean, we've talked

0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot about moving boats around. That's obviously what you

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>think of when you think of a tugboat, but they

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 1>do a bunch of other stuff too, salvage operations, s

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and R or SAR or search and rescue ops that

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>we've talked a lot about on the show. If there's

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 1>ever a you know, if there's a busy canal that's

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>blocked or something, or a ship that has gone offline,

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>say that that is gumming up the works, You're gonna

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>send a tugboat in there to get those things out

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>of there.

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>So we Yeah, we talked about that. The ship that

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>ever given which blocked the Suez Canal for I think weeks,

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 2>which is a huge dent in global shipping, right. We

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>talked about that in detail, and I could not, for

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the life of me, remember what episode that was in.

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Do you what's it in? Do we do one on

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>the Suez Canal or just.

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>The I looked if we did, we didn't name.

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>It that which canal? Do we do what episode on?

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember doing any canal episode.

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh we did something canals, right, don't it seems very

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 1>familiar to me?

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I think we just earlier talking about Donkey Path and stuff.

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Did our Canal episode?

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Hmm, wait, guess possible.

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 2>We might have done one that included like the Panama

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Canal and maybe yes, I'll bet it was in the

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Panama Canal episode. I think we did that one. Yeah,

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>we did Panama Canal. Okay, there you go, true and

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>love can we did a little different. But yeah. Also,

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>by the way, the Navy just unveiled the whole new

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>group of search and rescue ships. They're they're called Navajo

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>class tug boats and they're pretty cool.

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Looking, all right, what else firefighting tugboats? Of course?

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're called Fife's cute either Fifi or five Fi.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I've only seen it spelled out.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I bet it's Fife. Five five would be weird.

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Fife is not weird. And the the see.

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>It's well, I don't know, Captain, I don't have my

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>sea legs, but Fifi is at least a cute See

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>name five Fi is nothing.

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's try this out, r Look at that five Fi.

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Look at that Fifi. I think five Fi wins the day.

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, right, so ice icebreakers and I don't mean at

0:31:58.160 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>office parties either.

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Right, A tugboat just goes in between two people struggling

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>to find something to talk about, and now all of

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>a sudden they can talk about the tugboat that just

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 2>went in between them.

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he goes up to uh and says, if you

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>could invite anyone from history to dinner, who would it be?

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I hate this question so much.

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>It's the worst.

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>There's also anchor handling. There's actually special tugboats called anchor

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>handling tugs appropriately enough. Yeah, and the anchors they're talking

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:28.320
<v Speaker 2>about are oil platform tankers, and these are ocean going tugs,

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.479
<v Speaker 2>the ones that carry one hundred thousand gallons of diesel

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 2>fuel because they're out to see for indefinite periods of time.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>And the anchors that they're pulling around are massive. They're

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.239
<v Speaker 2>like keeping oil rigs out in the open ocean from

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>floating away. So obviously they're really big anchors. But it's

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 2>hard to get across how big they are unless you

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 2>go look up photos of them. Try to find a

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 2>photo of a human being standing or working near an

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>oil rig anchor, and it'll really kind of drive home

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 2>what these tugs are pulling around. Makes it even more impressive.

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>All Right, I'm going to look that up and tell

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you what I think before the end of the episode. Okay,

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 1>good line handling too. Like these tow ropes, if they're like, hey,

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>we need to get this tow rope out to that ship,

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't just throw it on a guy's shoulder. Like

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>these ropes, like those anchors are the most massive thing

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>ropes you've ever seen in your life. Yeah, and so

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>there's Thomas saying, just throw it on guys. I got it,

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll take it out there.

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was reading an LA Times article about remember

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 2>the shipping shut down, the cargo container backup in La

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and Long Beach at the pandemic that just killed everything.

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 2>The writer went out on a tugboat and was just

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of chronicling like a morning and the life of

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 2>this tugboat. And they were talking about how recently some

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 2>two deckhands, one had been injured and one had been

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 2>killed by a line tightening and pressing them up against

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 2>the side of the tugboat. So oh like jaws, yeah exactly,

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>but kill them.

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it was a I mean you can just imagine,

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 2>like this is a three inch thick rope that just

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 2>suddenly is you know, thousands of killing Newton's pressing you

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>against a metal, a big piece of metal, which is

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the inside of the ship. It's not the place that

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>you want to be. So it is being in deckhand,

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 2>which is one of the jobs on the tugboat, is

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 2>very dangerous and as we'll see, kind of the job

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 2>you want to work your way up out of.

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, you've also got engineers who you know,

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:35.400
<v Speaker 1>they take care of those engines, they take care of

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>all the getting things online, mechanical systems, electrical systems. You

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>have your mate, your second and in command and secondary pilot,

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 1>and then you got that cap'n the primary pilot that's

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>running that ship. If you work in let's just pick

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>out New York City, because people think about tugboats a

0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>lot there in New York. Carver work, Yeah, everyone does.

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I took a pole. Okay.

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>They work two weeks shifts, two weeks on, two weeks off.

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>You live on that boat full time. And then on

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>those days that you work, you work two six hour shifts,

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>six hours working six hours off, six hours working six

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 1>hours off. And that is I'm sure Thomas would would

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>verify that this is tough, hard work.

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:26.479
<v Speaker 2>That is too short. I mean you're like, oh, six

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 2>hour shift, that's not bad, but then you have to

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:32.879
<v Speaker 2>eat and sleep in the next six hours. That's yeah.

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why they do it like that. It

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:36.720
<v Speaker 2>seems like you would wear your crew out really fast

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 2>with that schedule.

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Would you have them work twelve hours straight and then

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 1>twelve hours off?

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I think even eight hours. That extra two hours

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>to unwind and eat and then get six hours sleep

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>is adequate because I mean, seriously, you think about it,

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 2>You're like, you're not doing six hours off and then

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 2>you just fall over and sleep where you were just

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 2>standing while you were working. Now that you're off the clock,

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna like unwind, you gotta eat, you're gonna just

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.399
<v Speaker 2>do whatever, shaved, shower, and then you're gonna get what

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.760
<v Speaker 2>three and a half four hours sleep if you're lucky,

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 2>maybe five. I think that's a little whack, as.

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>They say, yeah, it's whack, But I think it's one

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of those things with shift work, like you get used

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>to sleeping all day and working at night. Those people

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 1>probably get used to sleeping in two four hour sets.

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and I'm sure they're significant like, oh

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:24.280
<v Speaker 2>you're awake again, huh.

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But then they're at home for two weeks straight.

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean.

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:28.879
<v Speaker 1>Jeez, can you get back to work?

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:31.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, it's a hard life. I'm sure

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Commas can tell us.

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, for sure. There are push boats. Uh these

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>are pretty fun. A push tug that's a towboat that

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>has a squared off front at the bow and these

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 1>padded beams called push knees, and you basically push those

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>knees against the stern and uh you even lash it

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>together sometimes and that you're just pushing pushing something around.

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, one's fine. But I like the articulated tug

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>barge or atb This is it's an improved version of this. Right,

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>So the barge and the tugboat have like a notch

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and a corresponding like pointy part. You put them together

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 2>and put a pin through the two, and now you've

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 2>got like one single machine. But the tugboat can still

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 2>maneuver like fishtail and move that barge and all sorts

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 2>of crazy hard angles, right, And I was like, why

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 2>don't you just mechanize or motorize the barge? And apparently

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 2>they use this mostly for oil tank oil shipping, and

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you just get more oil out of it. And the

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 2>barges are cheaper because they don't have any self propulsion,

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like a shipping container in a truck,

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Like the tractor is different than the trailer, and so

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you can hook all sorts of different trailers up to

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 2>the same tractor time and time again, rather than just

0:37:56.280 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, having to pilot that trailer all the time.

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 2>It made more sense to me when I was researching

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 2>it than it is now that I'm explaining it.

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, it does sort of lend itself to the question

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>of like, why don't these huge barges have a little

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>secondary Asthmuth propeller system that can be deployed.

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the expense that added expense. I think

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 2>they're cheaper because it's just a barge that is just

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 2>basically a floating container that a tug can hook onto.

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>The well maybe so. And the other thing that I

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>also regret not investigating now is how the finances of

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.840
<v Speaker 1>this work. Is it a tugboat company that just says,

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 1>all right, we're going to contract with this barge company

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.359
<v Speaker 1>for a certain set of time, yes, and we'll just

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>handle all your tugging and pushing needs. Basically, in this harbor,

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:47.400
<v Speaker 1>So I.

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Think it kind of from what I understand, it bears

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a resemblance to like the shipping like

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 2>trucking industry, where somebody needs a toe or an escort

0:38:58.200 --> 0:38:59.840
<v Speaker 2>or something like that in or out of the harbor,

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 2>and you just contract with somebody. Then I don't know

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 2>if like you contract with one specific shipping company or

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>you just kind of go back and forth depending on

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:11.439
<v Speaker 2>who needs what when, or it's a mixture of both.

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure, but I know that back in the day,

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>they it used to be whoever got there first, So

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 2>as a ship was coming in, topboats would race out

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.879
<v Speaker 2>to meet them, and whoever got there first had that

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 2>contract right there because they were the first ones on

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the scene and they were the ones who were going

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to pull the ship into its berth.

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Surely it's an all inclusive thing, though, and it's not

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, you need to get over there five

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks, right, you know?

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I don't think it's like that for sure.

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:46.240
<v Speaker 2>But I read another article. The AP did an article

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:50.400
<v Speaker 2>on the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore. But

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.359
<v Speaker 2>last year, earlier this year, you remember when that ship

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 2>ran into the bridge and the bridge collapsed.

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, of course.

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 2>So the there was like heavy criticism because that ship

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't being escorted by a tugboat, and everybody's like, where

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 2>was the tugboat? Why was this allowed to happen? And

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:12.240
<v Speaker 2>the ap was explaining, that's just not how it works.

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Like the tugboat pulls the ship out of its berth

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:17.839
<v Speaker 2>and kind of gets it on its way, and then

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.839
<v Speaker 2>it goes back and attaches to another ship, and then

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 2>that ship has to find its way out of harbor,

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>including navigating under and next two bridges and other stuff. Right,

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 2>And the reason why is money. It costs an extra

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 2>ten grand to pay a tugboat to pull you safely

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>out into a harbor so you can make way. And

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the shipping industry holds the cards now, because if you

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 2>start charging more at a port, or you start, say

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 2>requiring ships to have a tugboat all the way out

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.799
<v Speaker 2>into the harbor, it's going to cost more money. And

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 2>if another port nearby doesn't force you to do that,

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be less and so everybody's going to

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:01.240
<v Speaker 2>go to that port and all of your dock workers

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 2>are going to lose their jobs and you're not going

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 2>to get reelected as mayor Baltimore. You see what I'm saying. Wow. Yeah,

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy how weirdly entrenched it is. And again, it's

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 2>just so discouraging. It seems like every episode we talk

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 2>about you can trace it back to some group of

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 2>people who are cutting corners because of money, and then

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 2>something bad happens and nobody does anything about it. I'm

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>so sick of it.

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that sounds like a new episode of The Wire too,

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:28.839
<v Speaker 1>it does.

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, I'm a right now. Let me just apologize

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 2>to Thomas. Sorry, Thomas.

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.240
<v Speaker 1>If you want to pick up your spirits, my friend,

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>go to New York City and take a ride on

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the Wo Decker because that's one of the funding fun

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>things you can do in New York. I have not

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>done it yet, but I'm going to make a point

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:53.799
<v Speaker 1>to go to the South Street Seaport Museum in New York,

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.719
<v Speaker 1>where you can actually take a ride on the classic

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and beautiful Wo Decker tug.

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Yep, pretty neat.

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it.

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 2>There's some other stuff you can do too, but that's

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 2>probably the best.

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, I'd like to do the best thing.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Good. Uh, you got anything more on tugboats, Charles.

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing. I just love these pictures. There's something

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 1>about a tugboat. I like the way they look. Yeah,

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 1>it was tires hanging off of them, and they're just

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:25.399
<v Speaker 1>there's something about the utilitarian aspect. And especially that wo

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>decker with that big old nose on the front. I

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 1>don't even know what that is. That's the beard, right, yeah,

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's not a beard that I've ever seen.

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 1>It really looks like a beard.

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I was reading like a kid's maritime museum website about tugboats,

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>and they were trying to explain why everyone loves tugboats,

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.840
<v Speaker 2>because you're it's true, like there's nobody who doesn't like tugboats,

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 2>especially if you have nothing to do with the industry, right,

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 2>you're just watching them from afar, And they explain that

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 2>they're very powerful and they're small, but they're also very helpful,

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 2>and I think they kind of nailed it on the head.

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Actually, some of these beers are very beardy.

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>So I get it, Okay, So Chuck gets it, and

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 2>he mentioned beards twice in quick succession, which of course

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 2>unlocks listener nail.

0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>That's right, And it also conjures Beetlebeard. What sorry? You

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 1>know you say beatlejuw three times?

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh gotcha? I gotcha, Yeah, I got it.

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 1>I saw that sequel last night.

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Did you see it?

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, I enjoyed it. I thought it was fun.

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not some great movie. But none of Tim Burton's

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>movies are great to me.

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:42.879
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know about that.

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think Edward was great, but I think

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 1>that's his only truly great film. What I mean, tell

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 1>me another.

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Edward scisor Hands, Sleepy Hollow.

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed Edward Scissorhands. I don't think it's great. Sleepy

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Hollow I thought was mid at best.

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 2>He's kind a whole I disagree. Sleepy Hall is one

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:03.879
<v Speaker 2>of my all time favorite movies. That's one of those

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 2>ones I can watch like any time.

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hey, I like it. I like most of his movies,

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>but I just don't think they're great films.

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:12.879
<v Speaker 2>I understand what you're saying. I mean, the nineteen ninety

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Batman not the best. I would say that that's not

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a great movie too, for sure.

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I mean I like most of his movies.

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I understand what it says.

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, yeah, yeah, anyway, I thought it was.

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was good.

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 1>It was fun, It was good enough for what I

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>wanted out of it, which was a bit of nostalgia.

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 1>And I loled quite a few times because I just

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>think Michael Keaton is really funny and Catherine O'Hara is

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>really funny.

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think Catherine O'Hare did great.

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know it was it was.

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Just Okay, I keep forgetting to recommend a movie to

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 2>you that I I'll see it and remember how great

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 2>it was, and then I forget to tell you about

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 2>it again. It's called a Dark Song, okay. It's about

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.839
<v Speaker 2>a woman who seeks revenge, so she finds an occultist

0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 2>to help her conjure demons to enact revenge.

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>How do you find movies that no one else has

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>ever heard?

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I found that one. I really

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 2>don't remember, but it's on Amazon Prime if I'm not mistaken.

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 2>And it sounds like a hokey premise, but the research

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 2>that the writers did is so like dead on that

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 2>it's entirely possible. There's people out there who believe that

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>you can do this exact thing that they're doing, and

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 2>conjure this exact demon. It's nuts. It's really it's really

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.319
<v Speaker 2>a good movie. It's pretty rough. I would not watch

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:32.359
<v Speaker 2>it with the kids, but it's a it's a very

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 2>good art house horror film.

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Well. Ruby Whent is Megan for Halloween, so she's pretty

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>into that stuff. But this sounds too dark.

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a little there's a part in there that she

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 2>should not see.

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:46.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And I'll also say this, I just looked up

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:48.880
<v Speaker 1>a dark song really quickly, and there's a Reddit thread

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>a dark song is it real? So apparently it's pretty convinced.

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:53.320
<v Speaker 2>It is very convincing.

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:55.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, So that's been movie minutes.

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Did you ever read the listener?

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Mal no, man, I'm waiting on the queue.

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I said that you said you said something in quick secession,

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 2>and you unlocked listener meal Jerry already ran the chime.

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I got a sidetracked. Hey, buddy, I don't jump unless

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:12.279
<v Speaker 1>you tell me too.

0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 2>So I did tell you, and you didn't jump, and

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 2>everything broke down as if the tugboats stopped tugging.

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh that means another lashing tonight.

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna last you to the tugboats.

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, put me up there. With the beard. All right, Hey, guys,

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.879
<v Speaker 1>love the show, especially the unsolved mystery episodes. Needless to say,

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:37.959
<v Speaker 1>I loved the one a couple of months ago about

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the mysteries of the Internet and the mysterious song that

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:41.400
<v Speaker 1>caught my attention.

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh I know where this one's going.

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Boy. They came pouring in and I have to say,

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.439
<v Speaker 1>the mystery seems to have been solved about the most

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 1>mysterious song on the Internet. It is not the one

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that people sent in right after we published. That was

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 1>not even the same song. Those people were lazy, uh,

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it broke and we've gotten like a hundred

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 1>emails that that artist has been identified. There's a reddit thread.

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 1>It's a Reddit user tracked it down. The song is

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:10.439
<v Speaker 1>called Subways of Your Mind by the group. I don't

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 1>know if it's fex or fex, not sure how they

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 1>pronounce it. The user found the band from an old

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 1>newspaper article in the NordWest Zeitung archive. While they were

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>researching houterfests bands bands performed. That music festival was a

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:29.360
<v Speaker 1>lead the subreddit was working on. The article they found

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 1>was about a band called Fix from Keel who won

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 1>a talent contest in Bremen, September nineteen eighty four. Their

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 1>music was described as rock with wave and pop influences

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 1>in tracks. The user managed to get in touch with

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 1>a member of the band and they produced original tapes

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of the recorded song to prove they were the ones

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.839
<v Speaker 1>who recorded Wow. I read through the subreddit. They said,

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute before you go wide with this, because

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk to the rest of the band.

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 1>First came back and said, I talked to the rest

0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 1>of the band. They're into it and we want to

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 1>like re record it and you know, get back together

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and re record this thing now that it's got some fame.

0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:06.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're gonna do an acoustic country version.

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh, this is for Michael, but big thanks to everybody

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>who wrote in because it's pretty exciting, you know. Somerton

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Man was found on our watch.

0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:20.839
<v Speaker 2>On our watch, right, thanks to us.

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Thanks to us, and this was solved on our watch.

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>So as the longer we do the show, the more

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 1>these mysteries are kind of you know, maybe they'll find

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:33.319
<v Speaker 1>that that guy who disappeared from the airport. Remember that guy.

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that poor kid from Yeah, I don't remember.

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:38.680
<v Speaker 1>What island is Swedish or something.

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a sad story.

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're hoping to clear up all these mysteries.

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the mysterious song has been solved.

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Great and it was fects subways of your mind? And

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 2>who wrote in? Because I mean a million people wrote in.

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we've ever got more more email about

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.279
<v Speaker 2>the same thing in less time than on this one.

0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.120
<v Speaker 2>It was astounding. It was like, yeah, those post so

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>office workers come in at the end of Miracle on

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:05.239
<v Speaker 2>thirty fourth Street and start dumping Santa letters down to

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the judge's bench. It was like that, but with emails

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:10.760
<v Speaker 2>about the most mysterious song on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's gonna get worse because this isn't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come out because we're front loading for Christmas break and

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<v Speaker 1>so like we're going to be getting these emails.

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<v Speaker 2>For a while. Oh dude, we'll be ginning them for years. Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>we got an email from somebody this week and the

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<v Speaker 2>subject time was Chuck predicted shark Nato Right. That is

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<v Speaker 2>an old, old.

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<v Speaker 1>Classic, Oh man, but all they hear about Jared from

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<v Speaker 1>Subway and Hugh Jackman Jackman playing pt Bond.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is it the greatest show min yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway? That was for Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Michael, very much appreciated. Thanks to everybody

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<v Speaker 2>who wrote in. We don't mean to sound ungrateful. We're

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<v Speaker 2>just joshing around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we love YEP.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Yeah. Keep us informed as best you can

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. And since I said that you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be like Michael, I should tell you that you

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