1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: Dude do and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: there's Chuck and Jerry's here too for the present moment, 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: and this is stuff you should Know. 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: That's right, another listener request. These are just kind of 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: pouring in now, or rather, we're leaning on them more 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: than we have before, I guess, because they're great ideas. 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: But this one came also from the live show in Atlanta. Yeah, 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: and do you remember this guy? Do you remember his name? 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: Yes? I do. It was Thomas, because this episode is 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: Tugboats for Thomas. 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: Tug Boats for Thomas, and Thomas I believe works on 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: tugboats suggested it and this has turned out to be 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: just a bread and butter stuff you Should Know episode. 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember when he was at the mic asking 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: the question and making the suggestion. He kept moving around 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: because he still had a scene. 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Right, he's bumping into people. They're like, dude. 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, hopefully we'll do Thomas proud because we know 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: a little bit about tugboats now after researching them for 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: a little while. Big shout out to our friend Dave 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: Ruse for helping us with this. You could do worse 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: than going to check out Ruse's podcast Bible Time Machine, 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: and that has nothing to do with tugboats. But let's 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: talk about that. 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: That's right, because we're gonna we're gonna sing the unsung 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: like we like to do on the show, because no 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: one ever thinks about tugboats. You see them all the time. 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: If you live near harbor or vacation or visit cities 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: that have harbors, you see those tugboats and those big 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: ships and barges get all the sexy headlines. But those 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: tugboats are doing the yeomen's work. That's why they call 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: them nautical laborers early in their I Guess mission when 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: they first started coming online on c Yeah. 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: So we'll get to that in a minute about the 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: history of tugboats because it actually goes back way further 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: than you would think, or not as far as you think, 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: depending on what you're thinking. 39 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: But thirteen twenty Nope, not that far twenty twenty. 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: But one of the things that tugboats are that makes 41 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: them like the workhorses of the sea, as you can 42 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: put it, is that they have really impressive power to 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: tonnage ratiows. Yeah, so the size of the tugboat. The 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: actual weight the tugboat weighs compared to the amount of 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: power output its engines can create, usually in horse power, 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: is really lopsided, so that these fairly comparatively light boats 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: compared to like the horsepower they create, can pull pull, pull, 48 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: and they can push push push, and they can do 49 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 2: all sorts of amazing stuff, which is why they can 50 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: move these enormous huge oil tankers and shipping tanker or 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: shipping container ships with just the mighty might of their 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: little hearts. You'd think I would have practiced something like 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: that because it would have been way better. 54 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean not to undersell tugboats. They are dealing 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: with things that are floating in water, which helps. But 56 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: these are big, massive things floating in floating in water. 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: Like you could get in a in a lake, my friend, 58 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: and you could you could pull a rope attached to 59 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: a pontoon boat. What and you could pull that thing 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: around a little bit. You could swim that thing around 61 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: a little bit because it's floating in water. 62 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: What universe do you live in that maybe. 63 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: Where you max out you are the tugboat of the lake, Josh. 64 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: If you can do that to a pontoon boat because 65 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: these tugboats are a little compared to these huge barges 66 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: that are floating around. Does that is that making any 67 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: sense at all? 68 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: It's making too much sense. I've never considered myself the 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: tugboat of the lake. Can I be doing this with 70 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: my teeth? Can I be holding the rope with my teeth? 71 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: Because that'd be much Uh, that's up to you. 72 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: Okay, that'd be better swimming with two arms. 73 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: We'll go do some some thirbig trials for it and 74 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: figure out the most the one right way to pull 75 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: a pontoon in a lake. 76 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: We should tell them what bollard pull is to because 77 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: that's the other big sort of measurement when it comes 78 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: to tugging and pushing. A bollard first of all is 79 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: that big sort of chunky thing on a dock that 80 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: you'll tie a boat to the big daddies, And bollard 81 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: pull is the total amount of towing force generated by 82 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: a tugboat. And they measure that in killo Newton's. 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: They do, And I've seen that often converted to tons, 84 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: and it's the same thing. The more killing Newtons you have, 85 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: or the more tons you have, the more pulling power, 86 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: towing power, pushing power that tugboat has. So there's this 87 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: one boat that Dave found called the Island Victory. At 88 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: least one article called the most powerful boat in the world. 89 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: I saw other articles that name some other shipping contains vessel. 90 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: But this, this tugboat, say, it's probably the most powerful 91 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: tugboat around. The Island Victory has a ballard pull of 92 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: four hundred or four thousand, six hundred and eighty kilo newtons, 93 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: which converts to four hundred and seventy seven tons. A 94 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: typical harbor tug, which is nothing to sneeze at, has 95 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: a ballard pull between five hundred and six hundred kilo 96 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: newtons six hundred killing newtons converts to sixty one tons. 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: So this is an enormously powerful boat. And that's the 98 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: whole point. They're not fast, they aren't pretty, they're cute 99 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: in a really weird way, but they can generate so 100 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: much power that they can push a shipping container vessel around. 101 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: More importantly, if you have a really high ballard pull. 102 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: The reason that this is this rating is even there 103 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: is to find out which tug you can connect to 104 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: which vessel because of a vessel starting to go in 105 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: the wrong direction and it's about to crash into, say 106 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: a bridge. The tugboat has to be able to go 107 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: from zero, not moving at all in the water, to 108 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: pulling that boat in the opposite direction away from that 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: bridge in a moment's notice, and it has to have 110 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: that much power, and they do. They do. 111 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: I think they are very attractive boats. You can tell 112 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: a tugboat because it has you know, they're built to 113 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 1: tug and push. So they have a very wide beam 114 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: which is the widest point of the boat. They sit 115 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: very low in the water, which is called a deep draft, 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: and you know they're little short, stubby, wide guys that 117 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: sit really low. I think they're adorable and cool looking. 118 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: They're very very stable. They're not tippy at all when 119 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: you know they're bumping against other things, they're pushing other things, 120 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: and so they have to be just super stable. And 121 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: also love that they have beards that front bumper or 122 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: a or a balfender. They call it a beard in 123 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: that lingo, and I think that's pretty great. 124 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's just what they use. Like you said, 125 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: when they purposely or accidentally bump up against a larger ship. 126 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: You can't just have the tugboat like crack up so 127 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: you have a bender. 128 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: They're built a bump. 129 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: They are built a bump. And some tugboats aren't necessarily 130 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: built with a beard. They'll have tires strung along the 131 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: side to use as a bumper as well. 132 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those are additional. I think the front 133 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: always has a built in beard. 134 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: Okay, fine, So one other thing that you're going to 135 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: find about tugboats that will talk about more in depth 136 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: later is that they're extremely nimble. They're agile, they can 137 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: move in a different direction very quickly. And that that's 138 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: a really important thing too, because one of the big 139 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: jobs that the tugboat plays in, say like a shipping 140 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: lane at like a port, is to help avoid other 141 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: ships coming in or out. So they have to be 142 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: able to move not just pull a ship very easily, 143 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: but they have to be able to move quickly and 144 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: move that ship out of the way of say like 145 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: another ship. 146 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I say we take an earlier break 147 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: because we're at a great spot to break here before 148 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: we talk about the history of these things. You want 149 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: to do that. Let's break it all right, let's break 150 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: on three all right, I promise talk of history, and 151 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: here we go, because if you want to to invent 152 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: a tugboat, the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries was a pretty 153 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: good time to do it because we were using sailing 154 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: ships at the time for transporting people and goods and 155 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: all kinds of things. And those things are gorgeous, beautiful 156 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: in the water. They sailed great out on the high seas, 157 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: but they did not do well, especially because they were 158 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: just sailing ships when they got around land in small, 159 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: tight spaces, so they would you know, you've seen it 160 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: in movies. They would dock or not dock, but they 161 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: would anchor, you know, a couple of hundred feet from 162 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: shore and then start shuttling people and stuff in little 163 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: tiny boats because that's about as close as they could 164 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: safely get, and that's not efficient. Taylor would be rolling 165 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: over in. 166 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: His grave, that's right. There was another problem too, Even 167 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: for a ship that could it was nimble enough to 168 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: kind of navigate its way into port, say like the 169 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: mouth of a river in a harbor or something, right 170 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: once it got in there, it had to wait for 171 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: the wind to whip up again to set sail once more. 172 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: And this was not something that happened every hour on 173 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: the hour, even twice a day like the tide. Sometimes 174 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: you would have to wait for days or weeks for 175 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: the right wind to come up that you could catch 176 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: and ship back out to see again. Also not at 177 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: all efficient, So there was like a real need for 178 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 2: tugboats to be invented. But what's nuts is tugboats were 179 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 2: invented and then ignored for decades, and then finally the 180 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: guy who invented them, who was just totally made fun 181 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: of as we'll see for inventing tugboats, was vindicated. But 182 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: I think he was dead. 183 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: Already, Yeah, I think he was. He was from England, 184 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: eighteenth century inventor. His name, no Lie, was Jonathan Holes. 185 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: That's nuts. 186 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: It is pretty nuts. And he thought it was like 187 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: a helper vessel is what he called it. It was 188 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: powered by a steam engine. But we were talking about 189 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: was tugboats. It could tow a sailboat in and out 190 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: of port. This was in seventeen thirty seven when he 191 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: filed for a patent. It was called a description and 192 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: Draft of a new invented machine for carring vessels or 193 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: ships out of or into any harbor, port, or river 194 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: against the wind and tide or in a calm and 195 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: it was totally genius, thirty years before James Watt's steam 196 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: engine hit the scene, and everyone was like, what a 197 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: dumb idea. 198 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Not only that, the people in his hometown of Gloucester, 199 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: they wrote a song about him. They wrote a song 200 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: they wrote like they thought this guy was so terrible 201 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: and just such a lousy inventor that there was a song. 202 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: I'm guessing people would sing in pubs about him, specifically, 203 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: his name's in the song. And when Jonathan Holds with 204 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: his patent skulls invented a machine to go against wind 205 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: and stream, but he, being an ass, couldn't bring it 206 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: to pass, and so was a shame to be seen. 207 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: Can imagine sitting there nursing like your mead, Well, everybody 208 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: around you is singing that song about you. 209 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: You're not gonna try whip whip up a melody. 210 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: Oh oh, Jonathan Holes with his patent skulls invented a 211 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 2: machine to go against the wind and stream. 212 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: You should finish, okay, but you, being an ass, could 213 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: and bring it to pass, and so was ashamed. 214 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: To be seen. Wow, you went with the Gilbert and 215 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: Sullivan version. 216 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: I guess so all I know is We're getting kicked 217 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: out of his pub any second. 218 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: Now, They're like, get out of Gloucester. 219 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just stop it. We're gonna get so much 220 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: for that. 221 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, Holes was definitely ahead of his time, but 222 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: it would be sixty years before the first steam powered 223 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: tugboats his invention were actually put into good use and 224 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: they were deployed in Scotland. Yeah. Yeah, and as we'll see, 225 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 2: actually Scotland was where the tugboat got its name at 226 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 2: the time. I'm not sure what they call them, maybe 227 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: still helper vessels, I don't know. But one of the 228 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: first things they did was to start pulling cargo along canals, 229 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 2: because at the time, if you wanted to move cargo 230 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: easily over land, you did it over water that was 231 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: cut into land, and you would do it with a 232 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 2: donkey pulling your cargo along the shore. The donkey was 233 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: walking on the shore with the line going from the 234 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: donkey to a little barge that was being pulled down 235 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 2: a water filled canal. That was the state of the 236 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: art at the time. 237 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you ever walked along an old river way 238 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: that has those built up banks for that purpose? 239 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Toledo has something called the canal experience or historic 240 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: canal experience. There's some canals running through part of the 241 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: town from the early nineteenth century that you can walk 242 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: along and you're like, wow, this is an old donkey path. Huh. 243 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I had my experience doing that in Akron, so 244 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: that maybe an Ohio thing. I believe the waterway through 245 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: sand Run is where that was. It was the same 246 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: deal and Emily or her mom or somebody you know, 247 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: because you're up higher and you know it's an obvious 248 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: path and they're like, yeah, this this is where the 249 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: donkeys and pack horses would pull these things. 250 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you donkey. 251 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: There was a paddle steamer named Charlotte Dundas that was 252 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: the first tugboat in operation towing for the very pert 253 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: strip I think two fully loaded sloops eighteen miles along 254 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: the Fourth and Clyde Canal at Glasgow at scorching two 255 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: miles and per hour. Yeah, but still like it was working. 256 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: That was the key, That's all that mattered. Yeah, they 257 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: had all the time in the world, right. 258 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: And you can bet that every donkey in Scotland was 259 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: like whow yeah, God they invented these things right. 260 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably. 261 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: So there was also as we talked about one of 262 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: the big problems with sailboats as shipping vessels was that 263 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: they had trouble getting in and out of harbors. They 264 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: had trouble navigating, They had to wait for the wind 265 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: so very quickly. It seemed kind of obvious that you 266 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: could if you could get one of these boats into 267 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: port into harbor, which you could use a tugboat for, 268 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: you could also pull it up river. It wouldn't have 269 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: to navigate any longer because you could just pull it 270 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: by a helper vessel into some of the cities that 271 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: were not located on the coast, but they were located 272 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: on a river. One example I can think of is 273 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: London and the Thames. 274 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: That's right forty miles inland, so that was a huge 275 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: boon for London. At the time. There was a steamship 276 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: called the Majestic that worked with the East India Company 277 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: towing things back and forth up the Thames, and Liverpool 278 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: had one as well, so they were getting in on 279 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: the game there in the UK. 280 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: They were so like I said, it was in Scotland 281 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,119 Speaker 2: that tugboats got their name back in eighteen seventeen in Dumbarton. 282 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: I think I'm saying that, right. Okay, oh, well, how 283 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: would you say it? I would say Dumbarton, but I don't. 284 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. 285 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: I'm just kind it's gotta be Dumbarton. Okay, okay, well 286 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: we'll go with one of those two. How about that? Sure, 287 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: somebody built a steamship a tug boat that they named 288 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: tug They weren't called tugboats until this time, and I 289 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,119 Speaker 2: guess that name stuck because it also makes sense practically 290 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: you're tugging a boat behind you, so that from that 291 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: henceforth on they were known as tugboats. 292 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, earlier I was saying that they said, oh, 293 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: this idea is so dumb. I don't know if it 294 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: was that it was so dumb, But steam power and 295 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: stuff that came along a little bit later, Like they 296 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: didn't have steam engines at the time, so they wouldn't 297 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: have even known it was dangerous. But when they did 298 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: come online? Why do keep saying that, I don't think 299 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: it fits right. 300 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,239 Speaker 2: It's a little anachronistic. 301 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: I think so. But online doesn't mean just on the internet. 302 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: Online just means like it's beginning to function right as 303 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: a thing. 304 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, remember that Simpsons where Lenny goes little kid. Lenny's like, oh, 305 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: he just logged onto my internet because he pooped his 306 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: pants out of he pooped his bathing suit with the 307 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: little interneting. So he said he logged onto his internet. 308 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: Oh that's so good. That's a good line. Oh boy, Lenny, 309 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: and he logged onto my internet. Where was that? 310 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: Oh? 311 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? Steam engines were dangerous. They would blow up a lot. 312 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: There was you know, when tugboats first started using you know, 313 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: coming online using that steam. They were like I don't know, 314 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean, is it is it better to have this 315 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: thing that might blow up a port? Right? 316 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: And then the owners were like, well, we don't go 317 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: on these boats. We just owned them, so sure, I 318 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: mean that's fine, they can blow up. But yes, they 319 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: were viewed skeptically, I think, right like it was. It 320 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: was not just a done deal that these things were 321 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: like gonna save the industry or shipping. Yeah, but there 322 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: was a proving ground what ended up being a proving 323 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 2: ground on the Tyne River that connected Newcastle to the 324 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: North Sea. They were facing a problem, right. They had 325 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 2: these barges that were they were called colliers and they 326 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: were sailboats, but they were coal movers because Newcastle was 327 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: a huge coal producer, and these colliers could do a 328 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: lot of damage because they were hard to navigate. They 329 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: had all the same problems that any sailing vessel had. 330 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: So there was a guy named Joseph Price who in 331 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: eighteen eighteen was like, I think I've got a solution 332 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: to this. I'm going to buy some of these steamships 333 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: that they're now being called tugboats, and I'm going to 334 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 2: have them pull these colliers, these coal ships up and 335 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: down the tyne, and I think it's going to revolutionize shipping. 336 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: And Joseph Price was right on the money. The price 337 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: was right. 338 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, you almost had it right out of the gate. 339 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: So now you could get four hundred ton ships because 340 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if we mentioned they were 341 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: loading like railroad cars onto these things for the first time, 342 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: so it was very very heavy stuff. They could go 343 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: to Newcastle for the first time. All of a sudden, 344 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 1: people in more distant places could get coal. So it 345 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: wasn't just like hey, it made, you know, make things 346 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: cheaper and more efficient. It like it was literally changing 347 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: like lives all over the world, right, And. 348 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: These new towns that were getting coal for the first 349 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: time were able to give up having to burn dried 350 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: donkey poop that they scraped up off the donkey trails 351 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: along the canals. 352 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: It was huge for them, totally. 353 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 2: So yeah, Joseph Price Price proved of the world. Like no, 354 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: these things are extraordinarily valuable, so much so that they're 355 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: going to completely change shipping from this point on. And 356 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: they definitely have and they're still just as useful as ever. 357 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: And they they made a name for themselves so much 358 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: that the when the Royal Navy purchased their first steamships 359 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: of any kind, they were tugboats. Yeah, the Comet and 360 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: the Monkey, Comment and Monkey. And I can't decide whether 361 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: it's a band name or a cartoon name. 362 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: Comment and Monkey. That'd be a fun cartoon. I'd watch 363 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: that or drug. I'd also take that comment Monkey, just kidding. 364 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: So yeah, they definitely proved their worth pretty early on. 365 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: I mean, this is eighteen eighteen, and the first ones 366 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: were used shortly before that. 367 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And these were paddle boats by the way 368 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: up until the late nineteenth century. If you're picturing like 369 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: your little friendly tugboat in your mind as we talk 370 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: about all these stories, erase that and now picture a 371 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: tugboat with two paddles on both sides. It wasn't like 372 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: the big paddle in the back, like the sort of 373 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: fun things you ride around on at Stone Mountain Park 374 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: here in Georgia. 375 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: Sure, that's where they're most famous. 376 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: They were paddle wheels on both sides, which seems a 377 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: little wider and more cumbersome, but that really really really 378 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: made them much more maneuverable and able to steer in 379 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: tighter places, and to steer in two different directions like 380 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: a right, I got one of those zero turned lawnmowers. 381 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: You put those things in two different directions and you're 382 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: just spinning like a top. 383 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 2: It's the exact same thing, because those two paddle wheels 384 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 2: were able to be moved independent of one another. And 385 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: once you can do that, yes, you just start doing 386 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 2: doughnuts to show off in the harbor, you know. 387 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 388 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: So the nineteenth century came and went and those paddle 389 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: wheel tugs were replaced with screw propellers, which is another 390 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: term for a propeller like you see on a ship 391 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: like that's just called screw propeller. So like any ship, 392 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: they were propelled by propellers and then diesel engines came along, 393 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: and that's when everything really kind of changed, because when 394 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: you have a diesel engine, you can get some amazing 395 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: horsepower out of it, way more than steam. It's also 396 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: less dangerous. I think we talked about all this in 397 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 2: our Rootolf Diesel episode, and that's when the tugboats became 398 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: started to become the tugboats that we think of today. 399 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: That's right, Shall we take our second break? 400 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: You bet? 401 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: All right? We took an early one, so we're gonna 402 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: take this one, and we're going to come back and 403 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about well tugboats right after this. 404 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: So you mentioned tugboats strike, right, I didn't. Oh, well, 405 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 2: there's a tugboat strike. We have to talk about. That 406 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 2: really kind of demonstrates how how important tugboats made themselves 407 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 2: over the years. In New York Harbor, in nineteen forty six, 408 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: every single tugboat operator, there were three hundred of them 409 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: in the harbor at the time, they all went on strike. 410 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: And this was very quickly it became evident how essential 411 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: tugboats were for everything in New York because there was 412 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: coal coming from Lake Erie through the Erie Canal to 413 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: the Hudson down to the Harbor and they would be 414 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: spread all throughout Manhattan and all throughout New York. Food 415 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: shipments came in by barge, garbage went. 416 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: Out by barge. 417 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: New York operated on barges, and if you're using barges, 418 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: you need a tugboat to tow or push those barges. 419 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 2: So when the tugboat stopped working, New York stopped working. 420 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: And within twelve days the tugboat operators got their demands fulfilled, 421 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: which turns out to have just been nicer hats from 422 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: what I read. 423 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they rationed food. They literally shut the lights down 424 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: on Broadway. It was their their backup plan of just 425 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, using smaller boats to ferry stuff in and out. 426 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: They were just like, Manhattan is far too big for 427 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: this already, right, And the tugboat operators, I guess, I mean, 428 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: what a what a moment to sit back and just 429 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: sort of like float, say yeah, now, yeah, gloat a 430 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: little bit now now, who was important? The tugboat driver Thomas, 431 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: One day we'll be in Atlanta so we could get 432 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: the word out about tugboats and New York. Harver was 433 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: a great place to sort of make that point, because 434 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you didn't have tugboats. Then those containers 435 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: with all those goods and services are essentially useless. 436 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: Right, I said float, by the way, but gloat works 437 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: even better. 438 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: Oh you said float. 439 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were gloating while we floating. Okay, so there 440 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 2: were some things that changed, stuff you would not at 441 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: all connect to why tugboats became less vital over the year. 442 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: Still incredibly important, and you can make a case that 443 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 2: world shipping would essentially just stop if tugboats stopped. So 444 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: they're really important, but just not in exactly the same 445 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 2: ways as they were before. Because we started getting our 446 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: energy over things like pipelines, We started using things that 447 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: weren't coal. Trucking and shipping containers became a much bigger 448 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: thing than say, barges over the years. So with each 449 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: of those things, the tugboat became less and less able 450 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 2: to do what it did in nineteen forty six. And 451 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: yet it's still so vital that you just can't do 452 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 2: anything without them. 453 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you know they've got they've got electric tugs. Now. 454 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: I saw that there's one called the Ewolf. 455 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's good looking tug. I mean it's interesting. 456 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: I never really thought about electric boats, but that's becoming 457 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: more and more of a thing, which is kind of awesome. 458 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: It is awesome, and let's talk about why. Here's why, Chuck. 459 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: Remember we said that these things generate crazy amounts of horsepower. Yes, 460 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: some harbor tugs or ocean going tugs generate twenty seven 461 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: thousand plus horse power. Yeah, it's like having twenty seven 462 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: thousand horses just running at the back of this thing, 463 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: like kicking their legs all at once, right. Yeah, And 464 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: to do that, you use a lot of fuel, a 465 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: ton of diesel fuel. Some of these boats can carry 466 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 2: way more than they need in a day, like thirty 467 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: thousand gallons of diesel. But I saw that the average 468 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: harbor tug, which is working almost constantly, will use about 469 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: three thousand gallons of diesel fuel a day. And that 470 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: is a lot of fuel to use, right, So it's 471 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: using this non renewable resource. It's also putting out crazy 472 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: amounts of diesel emissions. Yeah, and that's just one tug 473 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: boat using three thousand gallons of diesel a day. 474 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 475 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 2: The reason also, I was like, why do they carry 476 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: so much more than they need, because doesn't that make 477 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: the tugboat heavier? And therefore you have to use more 478 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: fuel to get more horsepower out of it. And the 479 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: reason that I came up with that I found was 480 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: that time is of such value in a harbor at 481 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: a port that it's more costly to stop what you're 482 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: doing and go refuel than it is to carry around 483 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: all that extra fuel. They have those capacities so that 484 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: they have they take way longer in between refuelings. That's 485 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: the point. That's how crazy important time as imports. 486 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, you know, especially in a place 487 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: like New York. Carver very busy, very busy. 488 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: So you talked about that's the motto over the entrance down. 489 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: To the dock. It says that what also you need 490 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: to be as maneuverable because it's very busy, very busy. 491 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: And you mentioned that a little bit earlier on that 492 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: they need to be able to move really in any direction, 493 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: very accurately and as quickly as possible. And the asthma 494 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: thruster was a big change in that because that is 495 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: a imagine a propeller inside a housing sort of like 496 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: a you know, sort of like an e fan or 497 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: something like that, and it can just turn. That's exactly 498 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: what it looks like. Last thing I never. 499 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: Thought that, but it can. 500 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: It can turn three hundred and sixty degrees. So it's 501 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: not a fixed propeller and a rudder for steering, and 502 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: it's not even a non fixed propeller that can move 503 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: left and right as a propeller that can spin in 504 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: any direction, which means you got one of those little 505 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: joystick controllers as a tugboat pilot, and you can inch 506 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: that thing in the most minute little ways with just 507 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: a flick of the stick. 508 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that amazing? 509 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: Pretty cool? 510 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: I also read about something called a tractor tug which 511 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: has basically two outboard motors like those two side paddle wheels, 512 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: and so you can move them independently. And they have 513 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: a lot of power too, just not as much as 514 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: the asthmuth I think, but they they're controlled by two joysticks. 515 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: So it's hard enough just think about using one. Imagine 516 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: using two to move a tugboat around like a huge 517 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: ship that you're trying not to knock into other ships. 518 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: It's just I can't It's got to be one of 519 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: the more stressful jobs around piling a tugboat, right, I 520 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: bet well, I have to ask Thomas. 521 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did mention a lot. I mean, we've talked 522 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: a lot about moving boats around. That's obviously what you 523 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: think of when you think of a tugboat, but they 524 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: do a bunch of other stuff too, salvage operations, s 525 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: and R or SAR or search and rescue ops that 526 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about on the show. If there's 527 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: ever a you know, if there's a busy canal that's 528 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: blocked or something, or a ship that has gone offline, 529 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: say that that is gumming up the works, You're gonna 530 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: send a tugboat in there to get those things out 531 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: of there. 532 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: So we Yeah, we talked about that. The ship that 533 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: ever given which blocked the Suez Canal for I think weeks, 534 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: which is a huge dent in global shipping, right. We 535 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: talked about that in detail, and I could not, for 536 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: the life of me, remember what episode that was in. 537 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: Do you what's it in? Do we do one on 538 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: the Suez Canal or just. 539 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: The I looked if we did, we didn't name. 540 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: It that which canal? Do we do what episode on? 541 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: I don't remember doing any canal episode. 542 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: Oh we did something canals, right, don't it seems very 543 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: familiar to me? 544 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: I think we just earlier talking about Donkey Path and stuff. 545 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: Did our Canal episode? 546 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: Hmm, wait, guess possible. 547 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 2: We might have done one that included like the Panama 548 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: Canal and maybe yes, I'll bet it was in the 549 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: Panama Canal episode. I think we did that one. Yeah, 550 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: we did Panama Canal. Okay, there you go, true and 551 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: love can we did a little different. But yeah. Also, 552 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: by the way, the Navy just unveiled the whole new 553 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: group of search and rescue ships. They're they're called Navajo 554 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: class tug boats and they're pretty cool. 555 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: Looking, all right, what else firefighting tugboats? Of course? 556 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're called Fife's cute either Fifi or five Fi. 557 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 2: I've only seen it spelled out. 558 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: I bet it's Fife. Five five would be weird. 559 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Fife is not weird. And the the see. 560 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: It's well, I don't know, Captain, I don't have my 561 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: sea legs, but Fifi is at least a cute See 562 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: name five Fi is nothing. 563 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: Let's try this out, r Look at that five Fi. 564 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: Look at that Fifi. I think five Fi wins the day. 565 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: Okay, right, so ice icebreakers and I don't mean at 566 00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: office parties either. 567 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: Right, A tugboat just goes in between two people struggling 568 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: to find something to talk about, and now all of 569 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: a sudden they can talk about the tugboat that just 570 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: went in between them. 571 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes up to uh and says, if you 572 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: could invite anyone from history to dinner, who would it be? 573 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: Okay, I hate this question so much. 574 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: It's the worst. 575 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: There's also anchor handling. There's actually special tugboats called anchor 576 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: handling tugs appropriately enough. Yeah, and the anchors they're talking 577 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: about are oil platform tankers, and these are ocean going tugs, 578 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 2: the ones that carry one hundred thousand gallons of diesel 579 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: fuel because they're out to see for indefinite periods of time. 580 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: And the anchors that they're pulling around are massive. They're 581 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 2: like keeping oil rigs out in the open ocean from 582 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: floating away. So obviously they're really big anchors. But it's 583 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: hard to get across how big they are unless you 584 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 2: go look up photos of them. Try to find a 585 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 2: photo of a human being standing or working near an 586 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 2: oil rig anchor, and it'll really kind of drive home 587 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: what these tugs are pulling around. Makes it even more impressive. 588 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to look that up and tell 589 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: you what I think before the end of the episode. Okay, 590 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: good line handling too. Like these tow ropes, if they're like, hey, 591 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: we need to get this tow rope out to that ship, 592 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: you don't just throw it on a guy's shoulder. Like 593 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: these ropes, like those anchors are the most massive thing 594 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: ropes you've ever seen in your life. Yeah, and so 595 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: there's Thomas saying, just throw it on guys. I got it, 596 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: I'll take it out there. 597 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was reading an LA Times article about remember 598 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: the shipping shut down, the cargo container backup in La 599 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: and Long Beach at the pandemic that just killed everything. 600 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: The writer went out on a tugboat and was just 601 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: kind of chronicling like a morning and the life of 602 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 2: this tugboat. And they were talking about how recently some 603 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 2: two deckhands, one had been injured and one had been 604 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: killed by a line tightening and pressing them up against 605 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: the side of the tugboat. So oh like jaws, yeah exactly, 606 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: but kill them. 607 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 608 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was a I mean you can just imagine, 609 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: like this is a three inch thick rope that just 610 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: suddenly is you know, thousands of killing Newton's pressing you 611 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: against a metal, a big piece of metal, which is 612 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: the inside of the ship. It's not the place that 613 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: you want to be. So it is being in deckhand, 614 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: which is one of the jobs on the tugboat, is 615 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 2: very dangerous and as we'll see, kind of the job 616 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 2: you want to work your way up out of. 617 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you've also got engineers who you know, 618 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: they take care of those engines, they take care of 619 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: all the getting things online, mechanical systems, electrical systems. You 620 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: have your mate, your second and in command and secondary pilot, 621 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: and then you got that cap'n the primary pilot that's 622 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: running that ship. If you work in let's just pick 623 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: out New York City, because people think about tugboats a 624 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: lot there in New York. Carver work, Yeah, everyone does. 625 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 2: Okay, I took a pole. Okay. 626 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: They work two weeks shifts, two weeks on, two weeks off. 627 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: You live on that boat full time. And then on 628 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: those days that you work, you work two six hour shifts, 629 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: six hours working six hours off, six hours working six 630 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: hours off. And that is I'm sure Thomas would would 631 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: verify that this is tough, hard work. 632 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,479 Speaker 2: That is too short. I mean you're like, oh, six 633 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: hour shift, that's not bad, but then you have to 634 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 2: eat and sleep in the next six hours. That's yeah. 635 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 2: I don't know why they do it like that. It 636 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 2: seems like you would wear your crew out really fast 637 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 2: with that schedule. 638 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: Would you have them work twelve hours straight and then 639 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: twelve hours off? 640 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: No, I think even eight hours. That extra two hours 641 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: to unwind and eat and then get six hours sleep 642 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: is adequate because I mean, seriously, you think about it, 643 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 2: You're like, you're not doing six hours off and then 644 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 2: you just fall over and sleep where you were just 645 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 2: standing while you were working. Now that you're off the clock, 646 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna like unwind, you gotta eat, you're gonna just 647 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 2: do whatever, shaved, shower, and then you're gonna get what 648 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 2: three and a half four hours sleep if you're lucky, 649 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 2: maybe five. I think that's a little whack, as. 650 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: They say, yeah, it's whack, But I think it's one 651 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: of those things with shift work, like you get used 652 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: to sleeping all day and working at night. Those people 653 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: probably get used to sleeping in two four hour sets. 654 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I'm sure they're significant like, oh 655 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 2: you're awake again, huh. 656 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. But then they're at home for two weeks straight. 657 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. 658 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 1: Jeez, can you get back to work? 659 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's a hard life. I'm sure 660 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 2: Commas can tell us. 661 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, for sure. There are push boats. Uh these 662 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: are pretty fun. A push tug that's a towboat that 663 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: has a squared off front at the bow and these 664 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: padded beams called push knees, and you basically push those 665 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: knees against the stern and uh you even lash it 666 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: together sometimes and that you're just pushing pushing something around. 667 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one's fine. But I like the articulated tug 668 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 2: barge or atb This is it's an improved version of this. Right, 669 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: So the barge and the tugboat have like a notch 670 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: and a corresponding like pointy part. You put them together 671 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 2: and put a pin through the two, and now you've 672 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 2: got like one single machine. But the tugboat can still 673 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 2: maneuver like fishtail and move that barge and all sorts 674 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 2: of crazy hard angles, right, And I was like, why 675 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 2: don't you just mechanize or motorize the barge? And apparently 676 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 2: they use this mostly for oil tank oil shipping, and 677 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: you just get more oil out of it. And the 678 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 2: barges are cheaper because they don't have any self propulsion, 679 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a shipping container in a truck, 680 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 2: Like the tractor is different than the trailer, and so 681 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: you can hook all sorts of different trailers up to 682 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 2: the same tractor time and time again, rather than just 683 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, having to pilot that trailer all the time. 684 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: It made more sense to me when I was researching 685 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 2: it than it is now that I'm explaining it. 686 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: Well, it does sort of lend itself to the question 687 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: of like, why don't these huge barges have a little 688 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: secondary Asthmuth propeller system that can be deployed. 689 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the expense that added expense. I think 690 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 2: they're cheaper because it's just a barge that is just 691 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 2: basically a floating container that a tug can hook onto. 692 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: The well maybe so. And the other thing that I 693 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: also regret not investigating now is how the finances of 694 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: this work. Is it a tugboat company that just says, 695 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: all right, we're going to contract with this barge company 696 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 1: for a certain set of time, yes, and we'll just 697 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: handle all your tugging and pushing needs. Basically, in this harbor, 698 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: So I. 699 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 2: Think it kind of from what I understand, it bears 700 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 2: a bit of a resemblance to like the shipping like 701 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 2: trucking industry, where somebody needs a toe or an escort 702 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: or something like that in or out of the harbor, 703 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 2: and you just contract with somebody. Then I don't know 704 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: if like you contract with one specific shipping company or 705 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 2: you just kind of go back and forth depending on 706 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,439 Speaker 2: who needs what when, or it's a mixture of both. 707 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but I know that back in the day, 708 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: they it used to be whoever got there first, So 709 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 2: as a ship was coming in, topboats would race out 710 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 2: to meet them, and whoever got there first had that 711 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 2: contract right there because they were the first ones on 712 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 2: the scene and they were the ones who were going 713 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 2: to pull the ship into its berth. 714 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: Surely it's an all inclusive thing, though, and it's not 715 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: just like, oh, you need to get over there five 716 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: hundred bucks, right, you know? 717 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't think it's like that for sure. 718 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,240 Speaker 2: But I read another article. The AP did an article 719 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 2: on the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore. But 720 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 2: last year, earlier this year, you remember when that ship 721 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 2: ran into the bridge and the bridge collapsed. 722 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course. 723 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 2: So the there was like heavy criticism because that ship 724 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 2: wasn't being escorted by a tugboat, and everybody's like, where 725 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: was the tugboat? Why was this allowed to happen? And 726 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 2: the ap was explaining, that's just not how it works. 727 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 2: Like the tugboat pulls the ship out of its berth 728 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 2: and kind of gets it on its way, and then 729 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 2: it goes back and attaches to another ship, and then 730 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 2: that ship has to find its way out of harbor, 731 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 2: including navigating under and next two bridges and other stuff. Right, 732 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 2: And the reason why is money. It costs an extra 733 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: ten grand to pay a tugboat to pull you safely 734 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 2: out into a harbor so you can make way. And 735 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 2: the shipping industry holds the cards now, because if you 736 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: start charging more at a port, or you start, say 737 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: requiring ships to have a tugboat all the way out 738 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 2: into the harbor, it's going to cost more money. And 739 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 2: if another port nearby doesn't force you to do that, 740 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: it's going to be less and so everybody's going to 741 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 2: go to that port and all of your dock workers 742 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 2: are going to lose their jobs and you're not going 743 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 2: to get reelected as mayor Baltimore. You see what I'm saying. Wow. Yeah, 744 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 2: it's crazy how weirdly entrenched it is. And again, it's 745 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 2: just so discouraging. It seems like every episode we talk 746 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: about you can trace it back to some group of 747 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 2: people who are cutting corners because of money, and then 748 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 2: something bad happens and nobody does anything about it. I'm 749 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 2: so sick of it. 750 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like a new episode of The Wire too, 751 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: it does. 752 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'm a right now. Let me just apologize 753 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 2: to Thomas. Sorry, Thomas. 754 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 1: If you want to pick up your spirits, my friend, 755 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: go to New York City and take a ride on 756 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: the Wo Decker because that's one of the funding fun 757 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: things you can do in New York. I have not 758 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: done it yet, but I'm going to make a point 759 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: to go to the South Street Seaport Museum in New York, 760 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: where you can actually take a ride on the classic 761 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: and beautiful Wo Decker tug. 762 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 2: Yep, pretty neat. 763 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. 764 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 2: There's some other stuff you can do too, but that's 765 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 2: probably the best. 766 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: Okay, good, I'd like to do the best thing. 767 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 2: Good. Uh, you got anything more on tugboats, Charles. 768 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: I got nothing. I just love these pictures. There's something 769 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: about a tugboat. I like the way they look. Yeah, 770 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: it was tires hanging off of them, and they're just 771 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: there's something about the utilitarian aspect. And especially that wo 772 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: decker with that big old nose on the front. I 773 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: don't even know what that is. That's the beard, right, yeah, 774 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: but it's it's not a beard that I've ever seen. 775 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: It really looks like a beard. 776 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 2: I was reading like a kid's maritime museum website about tugboats, 777 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 2: and they were trying to explain why everyone loves tugboats, 778 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 2: because you're it's true, like there's nobody who doesn't like tugboats, 779 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: especially if you have nothing to do with the industry, right, 780 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 2: you're just watching them from afar, And they explain that 781 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: they're very powerful and they're small, but they're also very helpful, 782 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 2: and I think they kind of nailed it on the head. 783 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually, some of these beers are very beardy. 784 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 2: So I get it, Okay, So Chuck gets it, and 785 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 2: he mentioned beards twice in quick succession, which of course 786 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 2: unlocks listener nail. 787 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: That's right, And it also conjures Beetlebeard. What sorry? You 788 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: know you say beatlejuw three times? 789 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 2: Oh gotcha? I gotcha, Yeah, I got it. 790 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: I saw that sequel last night. 791 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 2: What do you think? 792 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: Did you see it? 793 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 794 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: You know, I enjoyed it. I thought it was fun. 795 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 1: It's not some great movie. But none of Tim Burton's 796 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: movies are great to me. 797 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,879 Speaker 2: But I don't know about that. 798 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Edward was great, but I think 799 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: that's his only truly great film. What I mean, tell 800 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: me another. 801 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,240 Speaker 2: Edward scisor Hands, Sleepy Hollow. 802 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: I enjoyed Edward Scissorhands. I don't think it's great. Sleepy 803 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: Hollow I thought was mid at best. 804 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 2: He's kind a whole I disagree. Sleepy Hall is one 805 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 2: of my all time favorite movies. That's one of those 806 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 2: ones I can watch like any time. 807 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, I like it. I like most of his movies, 808 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: but I just don't think they're great films. 809 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying. I mean, the nineteen ninety 810 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 2: Batman not the best. I would say that that's not 811 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 2: a great movie too, for sure. 812 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean I like most of his movies. 813 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 2: I understand what it says. 814 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: Fair enough, yeah, yeah, anyway, I thought it was. 815 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 2: I thought it was good. 816 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: It was fun, It was good enough for what I 817 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: wanted out of it, which was a bit of nostalgia. 818 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: And I loled quite a few times because I just 819 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: think Michael Keaton is really funny and Catherine O'Hara is 820 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: really funny. 821 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,439 Speaker 2: Yes, I think Catherine O'Hare did great. 822 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know it was it was. 823 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 2: Just Okay, I keep forgetting to recommend a movie to 824 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 2: you that I I'll see it and remember how great 825 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 2: it was, and then I forget to tell you about 826 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 2: it again. It's called a Dark Song, okay. It's about 827 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 2: a woman who seeks revenge, so she finds an occultist 828 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 2: to help her conjure demons to enact revenge. 829 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: How do you find movies that no one else has 830 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: ever heard? 831 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 2: I don't know how I found that one. I really 832 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 2: don't remember, but it's on Amazon Prime if I'm not mistaken. 833 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 2: And it sounds like a hokey premise, but the research 834 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 2: that the writers did is so like dead on that 835 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 2: it's entirely possible. There's people out there who believe that 836 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 2: you can do this exact thing that they're doing, and 837 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 2: conjure this exact demon. It's nuts. It's really it's really 838 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 2: a good movie. It's pretty rough. I would not watch 839 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 2: it with the kids, but it's a it's a very 840 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 2: good art house horror film. 841 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: Well. Ruby Whent is Megan for Halloween, so she's pretty 842 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: into that stuff. But this sounds too dark. 843 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 2: It's a little there's a part in there that she 844 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 2: should not see. 845 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: Okay, And I'll also say this, I just looked up 846 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 1: a dark song really quickly, and there's a Reddit thread 847 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: a dark song is it real? So apparently it's pretty convinced. 848 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 2: It is very convincing. 849 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: All right, So that's been movie minutes. 850 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 2: Yep. Did you ever read the listener? 851 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: Mal no, man, I'm waiting on the queue. 852 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 2: I said that you said you said something in quick secession, 853 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 2: and you unlocked listener meal Jerry already ran the chime. 854 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: I got a sidetracked. Hey, buddy, I don't jump unless 855 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: you tell me too. 856 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 2: So I did tell you, and you didn't jump, and 857 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 2: everything broke down as if the tugboats stopped tugging. 858 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: Oh that means another lashing tonight. 859 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 2: I'm gonna last you to the tugboats. 860 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, put me up there. With the beard. All right, Hey, guys, 861 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 1: love the show, especially the unsolved mystery episodes. Needless to say, 862 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,959 Speaker 1: I loved the one a couple of months ago about 863 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: the mysteries of the Internet and the mysterious song that 864 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: caught my attention. 865 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 2: Oh I know where this one's going. 866 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: Boy. They came pouring in and I have to say, 867 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,439 Speaker 1: the mystery seems to have been solved about the most 868 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: mysterious song on the Internet. It is not the one 869 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: that people sent in right after we published. That was 870 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: not even the same song. Those people were lazy, uh, 871 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, it broke and we've gotten like a hundred 872 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: emails that that artist has been identified. There's a reddit thread. 873 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: It's a Reddit user tracked it down. The song is 874 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,439 Speaker 1: called Subways of Your Mind by the group. I don't 875 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: know if it's fex or fex, not sure how they 876 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: pronounce it. The user found the band from an old 877 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: newspaper article in the NordWest Zeitung archive. While they were 878 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: researching houterfests bands bands performed. That music festival was a 879 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: lead the subreddit was working on. The article they found 880 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: was about a band called Fix from Keel who won 881 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: a talent contest in Bremen, September nineteen eighty four. Their 882 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: music was described as rock with wave and pop influences 883 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: in tracks. The user managed to get in touch with 884 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: a member of the band and they produced original tapes 885 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: of the recorded song to prove they were the ones 886 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: who recorded Wow. I read through the subreddit. They said, 887 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: wait a minute before you go wide with this, because 888 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: I want to talk to the rest of the band. 889 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: First came back and said, I talked to the rest 890 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: of the band. They're into it and we want to 891 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: like re record it and you know, get back together 892 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: and re record this thing now that it's got some fame. 893 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna do an acoustic country version. 894 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: Uh, this is for Michael, but big thanks to everybody 895 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: who wrote in because it's pretty exciting, you know. Somerton 896 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: Man was found on our watch. 897 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 2: On our watch, right, thanks to us. 898 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: Thanks to us, and this was solved on our watch. 899 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: So as the longer we do the show, the more 900 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: these mysteries are kind of you know, maybe they'll find 901 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: that that guy who disappeared from the airport. Remember that guy. 902 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that poor kid from Yeah, I don't remember. 903 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: What island is Swedish or something. 904 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a sad story. 905 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're hoping to clear up all these mysteries. 906 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, the mysterious song has been solved. 907 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 2: Great and it was fects subways of your mind? And 908 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 2: who wrote in? Because I mean a million people wrote in. 909 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever got more more email about 910 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 2: the same thing in less time than on this one. 911 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 2: It was astounding. It was like, yeah, those post so 912 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 2: office workers come in at the end of Miracle on 913 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 2: thirty fourth Street and start dumping Santa letters down to 914 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 2: the judge's bench. It was like that, but with emails 915 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 2: about the most mysterious song on the Internet. 916 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's gonna get worse because this isn't gonna 917 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,840 Speaker 1: come out because we're front loading for Christmas break and 918 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: so like we're going to be getting these emails. 919 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 2: For a while. Oh dude, we'll be ginning them for years. Chuck, 920 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 2: we got an email from somebody this week and the 921 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,279 Speaker 2: subject time was Chuck predicted shark Nato Right. That is 922 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 2: an old, old. 923 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: Classic, Oh man, but all they hear about Jared from 924 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: Subway and Hugh Jackman Jackman playing pt Bond. 925 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 2: Who is it the greatest show min yet? 926 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 1: Anyway? That was for Michael. 927 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, Michael, very much appreciated. Thanks to everybody 928 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 2: who wrote in. We don't mean to sound ungrateful. We're 929 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,720 Speaker 2: just joshing around. 930 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, we love YEP. 931 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah. Keep us informed as best you can 932 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 2: all the time. And since I said that you want 933 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 2: to be like Michael, I should tell you that you 934 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 2: can send us an email. Send it off to stuff 935 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 2: podcast at iHeartRadio dot com. 936 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 937 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 938 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.