WEBVTT - Ramon | Featured on ABC's Betrayal: Secrets and Lies 

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, it's Andrea and we are re releasing some of

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<v Speaker 1>our past Weekly episodes and there's a good reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>For the last year, I have been working with ABC

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<v Speaker 1>on turning some of your favorite episodes of Betrayal Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>into a TV show. The show is called Betrayal, Secrets

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<v Speaker 1>and Lies, and it airs every Sunday at ten pm

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<v Speaker 1>on ABC. When Ramone shared his story on Betrayal Weekly,

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<v Speaker 1>it felt different, not just because of what he went through,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of who was telling it. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't hearing many men speak openly about betrayal, and

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of men, there's this unspoken pressure to

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<v Speaker 1>stay quiet, to move on, to not name the hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramone chose to do the opposite. He chose to speak up,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, to be vulnerable about something deeply personal,

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<v Speaker 1>and that choice had to ripple effect. After his episode aired,

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<v Speaker 1>more men wrote in, more stories came forward because for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time they saw themselves in someone else's experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Helped create that space. And what makes his story even

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<v Speaker 1>more powerful is what he had built a life rooted

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<v Speaker 1>in purpose, mentoring young boxers, creating community, finding love until

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<v Speaker 1>someone from his past walked back in and everything unraveled.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened to Ramone is heartbreaking, but the impact of

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<v Speaker 1>him speaking out it's bigger than just one story. So

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<v Speaker 1>please check out Betrayal, Secrets and Lies on ABC and

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<v Speaker 1>Hulu to see Ramon and where his story takes place.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>They take me in a blacked out SUV to this

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<v Speaker 2>location where they had already dug out his shallow grave.

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<v Speaker 2>When I get there, they tell me, O care, we

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<v Speaker 2>need you to strip down to you underwear. They showed

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<v Speaker 2>me how to pose on my hands bowed beyond my back,

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<v Speaker 2>and I looked like I was a little bit swollen.

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<v Speaker 2>They put more blood on me, and they've been through

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<v Speaker 2>dirt on me, which I thought it was solebly grading

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<v Speaker 2>and close wives. The only thing that I could remember

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<v Speaker 2>was the sound of the thirty five millimeter as it

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<v Speaker 2>went around me, just clicking taking pictures of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 1>change everything. Ramone's Sosa's story is one of those stranger

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<v Speaker 1>than fiction kind of tales. It's a betrayal that threatens everything,

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<v Speaker 1>including Ramon's life. Ramone grew up in Puerto Rico, the

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<v Speaker 1>only son in a traditional and tight knit family. Ramone

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<v Speaker 1>idolized his father, who was a professional wrestler.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Pekin you see and WIS and WWF and I

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<v Speaker 2>actually see him on TV all the time when Puerto

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<v Speaker 2>Rico used big muscular and had this or about him.

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<v Speaker 2>When he walked into the road.

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<v Speaker 1>As a kid, Ramone tagged along with his dad to

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<v Speaker 1>the gym and it was there where he fell in

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<v Speaker 1>love with what he calls the real thing boxing.

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<v Speaker 2>I started boxing about seven years old Puerto Rico. That

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<v Speaker 2>was my life. School boxing home, school boxing home. That

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<v Speaker 2>was It takes a lot of discipline in boxing if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do it right, and that's what it

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<v Speaker 2>taught me.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of that discipline started to pay off for Ramone.

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<v Speaker 1>He fought in hundreds of amateur matches as a teenager

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<v Speaker 1>and he was winning a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the trainers that worked with me they

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<v Speaker 2>said that I had a lot of natural talent and

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<v Speaker 2>people started saying, man, you'll be good when you grow up.

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<v Speaker 2>For my size, I hit very hard.

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<v Speaker 1>He's careful to point out that even though he was

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<v Speaker 1>a champion in the ring, he never fought outside of it.

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<v Speaker 1>He felt like it was his responsibility as an athlete

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<v Speaker 1>to maintaining a strong sense of right and wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't fight in the street. Boxing is a skill,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you get in that ring, it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>chess match.

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<v Speaker 1>He dreamed of going pro and taking care of his family.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sosis moved from Puerto Rico to Houston, Texas when

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<v Speaker 1>Ramone was a teenager. After sweeping the amateur leagues, Ramone

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<v Speaker 1>went pro.

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<v Speaker 2>My father actually had to sign my contract to turn

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<v Speaker 2>pro because I was underage.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a professional boxer for a few years before

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually settled into a new career coaching and training

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<v Speaker 1>young boxers in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it turned into a business, and you see,

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody wants to make money from you, everybody wants

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of the pie, it was tough when they

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<v Speaker 2>started getting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>In his early twenties, he fell in love and got married.

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<v Speaker 1>He and his first wife had three kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean praise to all the mothers that stay at

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<v Speaker 2>home with their kids, because you know what, that is

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<v Speaker 2>a tough, tough job, full time job.

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<v Speaker 1>Raising three kids together strained their relationship. They moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Houston to be closer to Ramone's parents. That's where he

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<v Speaker 1>still lives today. But even with his parents' help, Ramone

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<v Speaker 1>and his first wife knew that they weren't a match.

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<v Speaker 1>They needed to separate.

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<v Speaker 2>It did not work out. Even though we couldn't work

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<v Speaker 2>it out, we did the best that we could for

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<v Speaker 2>our kids. And to this day, you know, we have

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<v Speaker 2>grand kids together. So I respect her, she respects me.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramone missed being a full time dad. With more free

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<v Speaker 1>time on his hands, he decided to start a nonprofit

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<v Speaker 1>and after school boxing program. We're at risk.

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<v Speaker 2>Youth, you know, We'll pick him up after school, taking

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<v Speaker 2>them to the gym. They would get a snack or

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<v Speaker 2>work help in the box, and then we also talked

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<v Speaker 2>about life situations.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved being involved with the community and helping kids

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<v Speaker 1>who needed a positive influence in their lives. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>he met a close friend.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Moss, your own name. That's the name

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<v Speaker 2>that he went by.

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<v Speaker 1>As a teenager, Mundo had been involved with a gang

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<v Speaker 1>and went to prison. Now that he was out, he

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<v Speaker 1>was turning his life around, looking for a purpose, and

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<v Speaker 1>he always loved boxing. He saw a sign about the

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<v Speaker 1>after school program and he asked Ramon if he could volunteer,

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<v Speaker 1>and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Said, ah, can I start today? I said start today?

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<v Speaker 2>He said right off the bad he said, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to start today. So he went to his truck,

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<v Speaker 2>got some workout clothes, and he went running with my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Mundo kept coming back day after day, and Ramone liked

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<v Speaker 1>how he related to the kids. He was honest with

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<v Speaker 1>them about the bad choices he'd made.

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<v Speaker 2>He had all these tattoos with his gang name on

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<v Speaker 2>his back. He never hardly ever took off his shirt

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<v Speaker 2>because he didn't want people to see that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff and the kids to see that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I liked about him, that he mentored

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<v Speaker 2>so many kids in the gym to not go through

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<v Speaker 2>the same things that he went through.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramon and Mundo became close friends. They ran the after

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<v Speaker 1>school program together, and Mundo even started working alongside Ramone

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<v Speaker 1>at his day job training professional boxers.

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<v Speaker 2>Hebe came kind of like my right hand man. And

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<v Speaker 2>I would tell people when he went to the boxing

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<v Speaker 2>tournament and say shows with me theah, this is my

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<v Speaker 2>other son, you know, it was my third son. He

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<v Speaker 2>get really really close to me. He called me Pop says.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like a father figure to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramone and Mundo worked side by side, training professionals and

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<v Speaker 1>then running the after school program. It went on like

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<v Speaker 1>this for years. That was until Moundo got married and

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<v Speaker 1>had a kid of his own, and Ramone moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the city. Eventually, the two slowly

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<v Speaker 1>fell out of touch. Ramone was now seven years out

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<v Speaker 1>from his divorce and he wanted to find someone to

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<v Speaker 1>share his life with. That's when a friend told him

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<v Speaker 1>about a new dance club in Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, you know, he played that SASA with regular

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<v Speaker 2>you know that kind of stuff that you like. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to go check it out, and I hear this

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of beautiful ladies there too.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a Saturday night and weekend where Ramon didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have his kids, so he decided to go check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was packed. It was going on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and music was kind of music that I liked, and

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<v Speaker 2>the dance floor was packed. There she was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was mesmerized by this one woman on the dance floor.

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<v Speaker 2>So I kept looking at this leader on the other

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<v Speaker 2>dance floor. She danced very very well, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>I thinking, like, well, she looks Colombian or from the Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 2>The way she's dancing. She was wearing a tight Meani

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<v Speaker 2>black dress. It looked like it was painted on her.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful all his kins. She had wall black hair. Next

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<v Speaker 2>thing I know, I see her walking towards me and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, I'm trying to be cool about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And she steps on my toe. She had high heels

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<v Speaker 2>on it and there must have been three inch skills

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh my goodness, I just went down.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a beer. I just went down. And she

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<v Speaker 2>starts telling me in Spanish, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry, but you're okay, And then we say all

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<v Speaker 2>I could do was just look up Stan Matt Hay

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<v Speaker 2>and essay, we should dance with me, and she said,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I danced with you, and that's when it

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<v Speaker 2>all started.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name was Lulu.

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<v Speaker 2>Her real name is Maria de Mouts. She went by Lulu.

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<v Speaker 1>They had an instant connection. After that night on the

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<v Speaker 1>dance floor, Ramone and Lulu started going on dates, and

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<v Speaker 1>she admitted she hadn't stepped on Ramone's show by accident, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did that on purpose. I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>to know you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what they did.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a lot in common. She told me that

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<v Speaker 2>she was a divorced mother too, had recently moved to

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<v Speaker 2>Texas or Mexico City for a better life for herself

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<v Speaker 2>at her kids.

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<v Speaker 1>After a few dates, Ramone explained to Lulu that his

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<v Speaker 1>career as a boxing coach was very demanding. It meant

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<v Speaker 1>working late nights and traveling to tournaments on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew it was the kind of schedule that could

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<v Speaker 1>make dating difficult, if not impossible, but it didn't scare

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu off. She was supportive of his career and she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to help him succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>She started going to those tournaments with me, sit there

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time, supporting me, helping me with the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and I liked that about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like Ramon, Lulu was a hard worker.

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<v Speaker 2>The way she was making ends meet to try to

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<v Speaker 2>take care of her family was working underground. She would

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<v Speaker 2>clean houses.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu was determined to become a US citizen. In addition

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<v Speaker 1>to cleaning houses and raising her kids. She went to

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<v Speaker 1>night school to improve her English, and I would help.

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<v Speaker 2>Her too, talking to her in English when I could.

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<v Speaker 2>She was to just talk to more in englishcause I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to learn English.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramone was impressed. They both had young kids from their

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<v Speaker 1>previous marriages. After about six months of dating, they started

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<v Speaker 1>getting to know each other's families.

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<v Speaker 2>There was family gatherings on her side. In my side,

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<v Speaker 2>Loulie was always help it out, cleaning, helping, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the food. She was always very helpful with everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>And my mother in family, they liked her. They saw

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<v Speaker 2>how she treated me, and they saw that I had

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<v Speaker 2>been a lull for seven years now, and they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of saw something in her that, you know, she might

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<v Speaker 2>be the one.

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<v Speaker 1>Having his mother's approval sealed the deal for Ramon one

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<v Speaker 1>night in two thousand and nine, after a year and

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<v Speaker 1>a half together.

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<v Speaker 2>I went on one knee and I proposed to her Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>She said yes, of course, and then she started crying

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<v Speaker 2>and crying, and they said, what's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you okay? And all she kept saying was that

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<v Speaker 2>after all she went through with her ex husband, she

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would ever happen again, and she saw it

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<v Speaker 2>in me that I was a good man, and she

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't believe that I asked marry her.

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<v Speaker 1>During their engagement, Lulu doted on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my goodness. There was times where I would have

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<v Speaker 2>a drink and I wasn't even half way done, and

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<v Speaker 2>she will go give me another one. Guys were like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you feel a woman like that? She's beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>and she treats you like a king, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like make you stick your chest out a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit too, Like, wow, that's my lady. As she had

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>The couple had a quick engagement. It was a second

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<v Speaker 1>marriage for both of them, so they opted for a

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<v Speaker 1>simple courthouse ceremony with a backyard reception.

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<v Speaker 2>It was at my sister's host. Letter of fact, she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to give me that as a present. She had

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<v Speaker 2>a big celebration from my marriage. A lot of family

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<v Speaker 2>and friends were there. Her family, her mother, and her

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<v Speaker 2>sister and brother love. They were all there.

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<v Speaker 1>In the middle of the reception, surrounded by family music

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<v Speaker 1>and food. Something strange happened that Ramon will never forget.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu's mother approached him and she had a stern look

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<v Speaker 1>on her face.

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<v Speaker 2>Her mother walks up to me and then she just

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<v Speaker 2>whispers in my ear, Now she's your trouble. He walks away.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, wow, that's the first red flag was out

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<v Speaker 2>there right at our wedding night.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and nine, Ramone Sosa was newly married

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<v Speaker 1>to his second wife, Lulu. She was hard working, supportive

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<v Speaker 1>of his career, and she went above and beyond to

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<v Speaker 1>make him happy. Instead of a honeymoon, Lulu wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take a more practical approach. She wanted to invest in

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what she wanted, and I was, okay, well that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you want. And I was happy for her because

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<v Speaker 2>she was just tired of cleaning houses and I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to get a regular job and be here legally.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a mountain of paperwork, the first big hurdle

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<v Speaker 1>the couple faced together there and is that cheap?

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<v Speaker 2>And we did it. We went over there, heir to

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<v Speaker 2>the immigration attorney and I signed all the papers. Seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like he was like about three hundred pages. Yes, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of responsibility that you take when you sponsor a

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<v Speaker 2>person to be in this country legally.

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<v Speaker 1>With Lulu's immigration paperwork underway, they started their new life together.

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<v Speaker 2>The first years of our marriage, what you call the

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<v Speaker 2>honeymoon years, were wonderful. I was still very involved in boxing.

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<v Speaker 2>I had my nonprofit. She supported that also she cared

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<v Speaker 2>a lot about me. She cared that I was a

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<v Speaker 2>father figure to her son and her daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Early on in their marriage, Ramone told Lulu about his

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<v Speaker 1>career dreams. He wanted to open his own boxing gym

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston, a place where he could coach and train

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<v Speaker 1>the city's best boxers. But he knew this dream was

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<v Speaker 1>a few years away. He didn't have the money for

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<v Speaker 1>all the upfront costs.

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<v Speaker 2>I told her how much it was and calls and

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<v Speaker 2>she goes, I can get that for you, and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu was determined to help Ramone's dream come true.

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<v Speaker 2>She was borrowing money for family and also she maxed

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<v Speaker 2>out all these credit cards that she had, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>how we were able to open up our first gym

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<v Speaker 2>and buy all the equipment.

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<v Speaker 1>The plan was dubious, but it worked and he was

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for it. The gym quickly became a full time

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<v Speaker 1>job for both Ramone and Lulu. He did the head

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<v Speaker 1>coaching and training, and she handled the business side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>She told me that back in Mexico City, she used

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<v Speaker 2>to work for Ford and she was an executive secretary

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<v Speaker 2>and she knew how to keep the books and she

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<v Speaker 2>was good at it. So I was very happy that

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<v Speaker 2>I had somebody that because I mean, I'm not good

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<v Speaker 2>at that part. I'm good at training people. I'm good

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<v Speaker 2>at teaching him how.

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<v Speaker 1>To fight a box Andy was his gym, became the

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<v Speaker 1>plays for leap boxers to sharpen their skills, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was growing quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, the business took off. It took off, and it

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<v Speaker 2>took off quick. My day started at four in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I was till night in the evening, working saturdays too,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean that was literally exhausted every day. But

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<v Speaker 2>that surprised. You pay when you own a business.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a year, he had already paid Lulu back and

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<v Speaker 1>they were starting to make real money.

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<v Speaker 2>I just kept saying to myself, like, wow, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I wanted. I mean, I didn't become a world champion,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't go to the Olympics, but I'm still doing

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<v Speaker 2>something with boxing. And at the same time, I'm making money.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were financially doing very very well. We were

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where we under the buy a big house, cars, vacations.

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<v Speaker 2>So everything was good and to me, life was good.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, Ramone got an unexpected visitor at the gym,

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<v Speaker 1>his old friend Mundo.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like Wundo and it was like we

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<v Speaker 2>picked up right where we had left off.

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<v Speaker 1>Mundo asked to come work with Ramon again, but Lulu

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't so sure about him. She didn't like his luck

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<v Speaker 1>or his criminal background.

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<v Speaker 2>She told me, I don't know about having somebody like

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<v Speaker 2>that around our business. You know, she saw the tattoos.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had to be honest with her that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>told his background home, everything that happened to him. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he had been released from prison back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, being shot at gang member, but he cleaned

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<v Speaker 2>his life. He wanted to live a different life. But

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<v Speaker 2>then when Mundo started coming around helping me at helping

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<v Speaker 2>with the gym and helping the weekends so we could

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<v Speaker 2>have days off, when she saw the benefits in him,

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<v Speaker 2>then she said, okay, well we can use them.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mundo started working nights and weekends at the gym.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a relief. The Sosos really needed the help.

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<v Speaker 1>They were beginning to struggle at home with the pressure

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<v Speaker 1>of parenting and managing their business.

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<v Speaker 2>So at home, racing the family was getting difficult, and

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<v Speaker 2>Lulu would take the issues that she had with her kids.

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<v Speaker 2>That on me, So yeah, the family dynamic we were seeing cracks.

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<v Speaker 1>After the first three years of marriage, Ramone started noticing

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<v Speaker 1>that Lulu was changing too. She was becoming more demanding.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't want my kids to come around, she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want my family. Even my family started coming to my

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<v Speaker 2>house because they saw how she changed, how she wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the same person, the very nice lady that they had

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<v Speaker 2>met when I first met her.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu was getting controlling about how Ramone spent money, while

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<v Speaker 1>she was spending more than ever.

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<v Speaker 2>She would go shopping and come back from the wall

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<v Speaker 2>with all these bags. I said, what are you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramone's concern was amplified when he discovered I.

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<v Speaker 2>Started noticing that the books were not adding up to

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<v Speaker 2>the number of people members we had in the gym,

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<v Speaker 2>And every time I would bring that up, that situation

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<v Speaker 2>of said, hey, what's going on here? This is not

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<v Speaker 2>adding up to the bottle life, and she would always say,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't worry about it. And I was upsetting, so we.

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<v Speaker 1>Hired someone else to take over the books. One night,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramon came home from the gym to find that Lulu

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<v Speaker 1>was hosting a party at the house, a party he

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't heard about. There were balloons and a cake. Lulu's

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<v Speaker 1>entire family.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there, and I can tell that she had been

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<v Speaker 2>drinking because she was just learned a little bit. And

0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.760
<v Speaker 2>she had a bottle of wine in one hand and

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<v Speaker 2>a cup of the other, and she said, say hello

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<v Speaker 2>to your new American wife, and I were like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu had applied for citizenship and she was approved earlier

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<v Speaker 1>that day. She'd gone to her naturalization ceremony and officially

0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:00.879
<v Speaker 1>became a US citizen, but she hadn't mentioned to Ramone,

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<v Speaker 1>her husband and the sponsor of her visa.

0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.560
<v Speaker 2>And I said, wait a second. You're here legally in

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<v Speaker 2>this country because of me. Your kids are here legally

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<v Speaker 2>because of me, and you don't have the respect to

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<v Speaker 2>ask me like you, I want to go to the celebration.

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<v Speaker 2>It got to the poor where I asked her, point black,

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<v Speaker 2>did you marry me just to be here legally with

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<v Speaker 2>your family, the money, the American lifestyle. And she came

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<v Speaker 2>back with, look at me, I'm beautiful, look at my body.

0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I can get anybody I want, and men that have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more money than you, But no, I chose you.

0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.439
<v Speaker 2>I want to be with people, how I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to believe her, but he was still disturbed

0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:51.560
<v Speaker 1>by her choices, not to mention her controlling behavior, not

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<v Speaker 1>wanting his kids around her, spending, the discrepancies in the books,

0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and now she hadn't even invited him to her sitting

0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 1>and ship ceremony.

0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.159
<v Speaker 2>And I said, no, this is that cool? A right

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:05.359
<v Speaker 2>the way his marriage is going.

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Ramon pulled away emotionally and physically. He knew something was wrong,

0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.720
<v Speaker 1>but he was too busy with his gym to take

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 1>immediate action and file for divorce. In the meantime, the

0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.520
<v Speaker 1>couple started sleeping in separate bedrooms.

0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.199
<v Speaker 2>We're still married, but live in separate lives, basically in

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<v Speaker 2>the same house.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't expect Lulu to be the one to file

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<v Speaker 1>for divorce, but one day she came to him with

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.280
<v Speaker 1>the papers and she had a bold request. She wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the house and the business.

0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I said, no, no, I don't think so. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go half. Everything is gonna split down the middle.

0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:47.760
<v Speaker 2>You go your way, I go my way. But all

0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 2>the money and time that I have invested in this

0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 2>marriage and everything that we have, no, I said, no,

0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.120
<v Speaker 2>this is my house. So I told her we can

0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.439
<v Speaker 2>work it out, or we can go to court. And

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.959
<v Speaker 2>that's what I got my attorney and we'll fight it out.

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 1>He had been through a divorce before, and although the

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 1>first one was difficult, it had been fair and respectful.

0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:16.879
<v Speaker 1>But this divorce was about to take a devastating turn.

0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I remember I was driving and Mundo calls me.

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Mundo explained that the night before, he'd been closing the

0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:28.360
<v Speaker 1>gym when he overheard Lulu talking about hiring a hit man.

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know, Mundo being funny and when we joke

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.600
<v Speaker 2>around before all the time. I said, Mundo, you know

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:36.639
<v Speaker 2>quere joking around, man, you know what we want to do.

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:40.640
<v Speaker 2>This is not cool to be joking like that. He said, nah, nah, no, Pops.

0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I've seen that look in people's eyes when they want

0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.399
<v Speaker 2>to kill somebody, and she has that look.

0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Mundo approached Lulu to ask about what he overheard.

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.640
<v Speaker 2>And he walked up to her. I said, you guys

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.120
<v Speaker 2>used to be careful what you're saying because you never

0:22:56.160 --> 0:23:01.000
<v Speaker 2>know who's listening. And he said, are you guys talking

0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:06.080
<v Speaker 2>about remote and said yeah. Lingo said, do you want

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 2>him gone? And you want to disappear? And Mundo did

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.919
<v Speaker 2>the pistol sign with his hand and he said, you

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.480
<v Speaker 2>want him gone like this, like you know when she said, yeah,

0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm tired of him. I wish he was going to disappear.

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:19.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah like that. I just want him going out of

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 2>my life. And Wono said, I'll tell you what, you know,

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I got some people that can do the job for you.

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Munjo told Lulu he could help, that he knew someone

0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 1>who could do the hit. Instead of calling up a connection,

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>he went straight to his good friend Ramone.

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.399
<v Speaker 2>I was upset. I was so upset. I mean I

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 2>had to pull over. I had so much rage. I

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.119
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what to do. That was like, man, what

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I do? So I called the police. So he said, no,

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 2>he is to deal. I talked to her and I'm

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 2>going to start meeting with her and I'm going to

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 2>record everything or a phone and see how far she's

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 2>willing to go. And then what I want you to

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 2>do is take all these recordings to the police and

0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:22.159
<v Speaker 2>see what they want to do.

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Ramon was skeptical that this plan would work, and taking

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Mundo at his word meant Lulu was dangerous, So right

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.360
<v Speaker 1>after that phone call, he decided to go to the police,

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:37.120
<v Speaker 1>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Told him the situation, what happened, and he responded with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, you guys are going through a divorce.

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:47.879
<v Speaker 2>Women and men sometimes say things when they're upset, even

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that they want to kill their wives or their husbands.

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 2>But it's just just saying it out of anger. There's

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 2>really not a lot of evidence to do anything with that.

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't sure if Mundo's plan to use secret recordings

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 1>would be admissible or even legal. It sounded kind of

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>like entrapment, so he asked the detectives about it.

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 2>That total point Blacko does say, look and he said,

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.719
<v Speaker 2>you guys keep getting more evidence, and I said, okay,

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 2>apparently that is legal. So that's what we did.

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>So they moved forward with the plan. Mundo would meet

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 1>with Lulu in private places like cars to see if

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>she was actually serious about hiring a hitman, and all

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:35.119
<v Speaker 1>the while he was secretly recording on his phone. For

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:37.919
<v Speaker 1>this to work, she'd have to believe that Mundo was

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 1>in one hundred percent. But why would she trust Mundo,

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 1>one of Ramone's best friends. Ramone has a simple answer.

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Lulu's so desperate in everything that's going on with the

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 2>voice not going her way. Her life is slowly crumbling.

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>The most difficult part of their plan was that Ramon

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 1>would have to play dump. It's been a few more

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>days sleeping under the same roof as Lulu, pretending that

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>he didn't know what she was planning. Ramon remembers turning

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:18.879
<v Speaker 1>into his driveway that day, something he'd done a thousand

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>times before, and he always felt comfort and relief when

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 1>he got home, But now it was all so eerie.

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 1>His house a would be crime scene and him an

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 1>unsuspecting murder victim.

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Even though we were sleeping in separate rules. I had

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:42.399
<v Speaker 2>to go home and see this lady and look at

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 2>this lady, knowing that she wanted to have me kill.

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 1>He barely said a word to her that night. He

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>locked his bedroom door. He tried to sleep, but he

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>was wide awake with thoughts racing. People say things they

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 1>don't mean during a divorce all the time. Could she

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.120
<v Speaker 1>just be fuming or could she actually go through with it?

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:11.400
<v Speaker 1>The next day, Ramone got his answer. It turns out

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Lulu was in a hurry. She wanted to take Mundo

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>up on his offer right away.

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Lulu me dead before our divorce was finalized because she

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>said to Mundo, Look, if he dies after our divorce

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>is finalized, my kids get everything. But if he dies

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>before the divorce is finalized, she gets everything. The worce

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.719
<v Speaker 2>was going to be finalized and about a what, so

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 2>she wanted me dead as soon as possible.

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Ramone had spent seven years with Lulu. For most of

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>that time, he genuinely adored her. He wanted to give

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>her that second chance at a loving partnership, and he

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:59.719
<v Speaker 1>dreamed of seeing her succeed alongside of him. Instead, she

0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>was throwing it all away, and Ramone heard everything captured

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:06.160
<v Speaker 1>on tape.

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I could believe what I was hearing from Lulu. She's

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 2>telling Mundo how she's practicing, how she's going to cry

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 2>when the police calls her after they kill me, and

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 2>she's literally making crying sounds and she starts laughing after that.

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>In one of the first recorded conversations, Lulu dropped a bombshell.

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Lulu was planning to have me kill two years prior

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 2>to our divorce. I was like what, and Mundo said, yeah,

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I have it on one of the recordings, and I

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>listened to it and I said, I can't believe what

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm listening to.

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Two years earlier, they'd taken a family vacation to Mexico City.

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Ramone thought their relationship was in a good place, and

0:28:59.400 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>she was.

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy to show me Mexico City and go

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>to the Pyramids. She had a whole tenerary for everything

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>we're supposed to do in Mexico City.

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 1>She told Mundo that she was planning to kill Ramon

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>on that trip. Lulu wanted his savings, his business, and

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>his life insurance. She was conspiring to commit the crime

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>with a friend back in Mexico.

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 2>And the plan was, Yeah, bring him over here. We'll disappear.

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 2>People disappear here all the time. What we can do

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 2>is have you guys held for ransom and then they

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 2>go on, let you go, and then we're going to

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 2>disappear him. And then Mundo asked Lulu, and so how

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 2>come you didn't go through with it? And Lulu said, well,

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have the heart to do it. Then well

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 2>how I do?

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>This chilled him to the bone. He didn't recognize this one.

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>He'd never heard his wife speak like this before, the

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 1>coldness in her voice, her laughter, And never.

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Crossed my mind that lou had this whole blooded heart

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>through our good times in our marriage. I never would

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 2>have ever thought in a million years this person had

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 2>that kind of mind to do this kind of stuff.

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>He became genuinely terrified for his life. Ramon left the

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>house and stayed with his parents, who lived across town.

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, Mundo asked Lulu if she wanted him

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 1>to reach out to one of his guys if she

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>was ready, and she said she was, so Mundo called

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>his contacts.

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 2>He called one of them John Boy and the other

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:52.719
<v Speaker 2>one Pockle.

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>If those sound like characters from a crummy action movie,

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>it's because they are told.

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Me that he saw blood and blood out and those

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 2>are those two characters right from that movie.

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>But Lulu bought it. So Mundo texted Paco, who was

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>actually Ramone, using a burner phone.

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Then I said, well, Mundo, I'm not a street guy,

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>so he's already teaching me how to talk or text

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 2>in that gang lingo to pass us the criminal. Basically

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 2>he's meeting with Lulu and the person that do. I

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>text Munda say, hey, the boss lead ready to do this.

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>We need two hundred dollars for the toy.

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Mundo explained that the hit would cost twelve thousand dollars,

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>but the guys would need two hundred dollars up front

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 1>for the gun.

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>She went to our bank. We still had to count together.

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>She went to our account, got the two hundred dollars

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>out of our sables, which is basically my money too,

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and gets Mundo two hundred dollars.

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>As soon as the money changed hands, they had enough

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 1>to go to the police. The moment was both a

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>relief and a horrible betrayal, and with this evidence, the

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>police were finally ready to move on Ramone's case. They

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>took it very seriously.

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>They had to get all these different agencies together and

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 2>come up with the plan. State troopers the shehare with

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 2>the part with FBI. They got real quick.

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Law enforcement wanted to collect evidence of their own. They

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>decided to see if Lulu would make a down payment

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>for the hit and if she would exchange the money

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>with one of these fictitious hitmen in person.

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 2>The state police brought their undercover police officer to play

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 2>it as one of the hitman's to start meeting with

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Lulu in person. I mean, this guy, if he saw

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 2>it in the street, he thought that he was really

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>a gang member hit man. You know, he put everything

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>to the tee. He had all the tags, he knew

0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 2>how to talk, he had a mean look, like you

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>would be scared of him.

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Lulu met him in a car, which of course was

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>an undercover police car full of cameras. She said she

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the cash to pay him just yet, but.

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>She brought my own jewelry as a down payment for

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>my own murder. Bracelets, watches, just so stuff that I

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>have left behind at the house, and she gave that

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 2>to him as a down payment. And then she also

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 2>had the nerve to tell look and he also wears

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>this really nice watch and if he has it on,

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 2>you can keep that too, because it's worth something. And

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>then after he dies, I'll give you the rest of

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 2>the money. And he said, okay, we're going to take

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>care of business now.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 1>That night, the police asked Ramon to come to the

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>station right.

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Away, and I said, what about Mungo. He's not coming,

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 2>said no, we just need to talk to you. When

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I arrived at the station, go to a special room

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 2>that we always met. And when I get in and

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I started noticing, like, wait a second, there's a lot

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>more people in this room than before. The FBI guy

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>was there at the State Police detective the DA or

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>assistant DA was there, so it was a packed room

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.479
<v Speaker 2>and they start telling me. You say, okay, Ramona, we

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>feel that we have enough evidence to arrest Lulu right now.

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 2>But here's the deal. You guys own a business here locally.

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>She's a mother, she's never been in trouble, and we

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>need to make this a slam dunk case. And I'm

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 2>afraid that if we go to a jury trial, we

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 2>might have one of the juris true sight for her.

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 2>And you just want to make sure it's a slam

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>dunk case. So we have decided to stage your death

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and show her your picture and then recorded.

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 1>It sounded over the top. He'd never heard anything like it,

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and to be honest, neither have I. The police told

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Ramon that they need him for three days, so he

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>quickly went home and packed a bag. He was advised

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>not to tell anyone where he was going that Mundo,

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 1>not his parents, not his kids. He returned to the

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>police station the next morning and was surprised when the

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>police started doing special effects makeup to make it look

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 1>like he'd been shot in the head. The police even

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 1>had a reference image a photo of a real murder

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>victim whose body had been dumped in the desert.

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 2>They take me in a blacked out suvad to this

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>location where they had already dug out this shallow grave.

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.919
<v Speaker 2>And when I get there, the detective tells me, okay,

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>we need you to strip down to your underwear. They

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 2>showed me how to pose on my hands bound beyond

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 2>my back, and I looked like I was a little

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 2>bit swollen. They put more blood on me, and they've

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 2>been threw dirt on me, which I thought it was

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 2>sly creating close lives. And the only thing that I

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>could remember the most from that scene was the sound

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>of the thirty five millimeter as it went around me,

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 2>just clicking taking pictures of me. And then the detectives

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 2>help and mister Scholza, we're doing here to close on

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and they took me away to a hotel.

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>He sat in the hotel room for two days, not

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>able to contact anyone, just waiting for the police to

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:32.280
<v Speaker 1>arrest Lulu.

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't sleep. All I did was paced back and forth,

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>thinking about all the different situations. What I three doesn't happen,

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 2>whether she doesn't fall for it, what are my kids

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 2>gonna think when they see my parents, everybody, I mean all,

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so many things going through my head.

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, back in Houston, the under.

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Coach police officer was in the car with Lulu, and

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>he shows Lulu the picture of me in the Charlotte Grave.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 2>So next thing she does, she starts racing up her

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>hands up, like racing the roof, like she's laughing, like yeah,

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 2>about to get paid. I hit the latto and then

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>walks out of the car, closes the door, no idea whatsoever.

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 2>The whole time that she was talking to an undercover

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:27.360
<v Speaker 2>police officer.

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Lulu was arrested right there for solicitation, a first degree

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 1>capital murder. After the arrest was made, the police called

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Ramone's hotel room to let him know.

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I literally sat on the edge of that bed and

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 2>tears started coming down. Tears of anger, tears of sadness.

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Not because I was still in love with this person,

0:37:55.440 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 2>but she didn't think about me being a son, me

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:06.399
<v Speaker 2>being a father, you know, a friend, a brother, all

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>those she didn't think up. I knowne of that, and

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>you're taking me away from my kids, my mother, and

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 2>my father. That hurt me a lot.

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Ramone says the worst part of this entire betrayal was

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>what happened next. He hadn't been able to talk to

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 1>his family for three days and explain where he was

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>going or what was going on. He's the kind of

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>son who calls his mom nearly every day. He knew

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>she'd be panicked, so as soon as he could, he

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:38.359
<v Speaker 1>dialed his parents' house.

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.839
<v Speaker 2>My father asks a phone, and my dad never asks

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 2>a phone. My dad is not a phone person. It's just, well,

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 2>what are yet? And I can hear the cracking in

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 2>his voice. In the background, I hear my mother screaming

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 2>and crying, kind of cry you hear funerals when somebody passes.

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.720
<v Speaker 1>His parents had just heard the news of Lulu's arrest,

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>but they didn't know it was a setup. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing they knew was that they hadn't heard from Ramone

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<v Speaker 1>and that his wife had just been arrested for soliciting

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<v Speaker 1>his murder.

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<v Speaker 2>And I try to drive as fast as possible, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get to her. And when I get there, my

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<v Speaker 2>dad opens the door. In my dad's eyes were bloodshot.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen my dad cry ever. He just hugged

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<v Speaker 2>me and I went straight to my mother. She was

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<v Speaker 2>there on the couches. She can't catch your bread then,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's crying. I said, mom, come fam okay. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay. You know. I tried to explain to her

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<v Speaker 2>that I was going to be okay, but she still

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't catch a bread. She was basically hyper ventilating, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because she was so anxious.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the moment that still haunts Ramone, seeing his

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<v Speaker 1>own mom grieve his death. It's something few people ever see,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's extremely difficult to process.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm their only son, and never forget that

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be the picture that always be able. My

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<v Speaker 2>was my dad, hold my mom's head, tell her it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though Lulu was being held on a million dollar bail,

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Ramon couldn't shake this fear that she'd somehow find him.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know if Lulu had a plan B or C.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was sleeping with a loaded shotgun next to

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<v Speaker 2>my bed. Then I had another loaded gun on the

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<v Speaker 2>counter of my kitchen, which was a forty millimeter that

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 2>I had a nine millimeter loaded in my vehicle at

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<v Speaker 2>all times, ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>In the year following Lulu's arrest, he didn't leave the

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>house unless he had to. Over time, all of that

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>fear turned to anger.

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<v Speaker 2>Has so much bottled up anger inside of me, my family,

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 2>my kids, and my mother. All that anger I had

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>it bottled up inside of me. Anybody that has gone

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>through something so traumatic like have went through, you can't

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 2>live with that much anger. I couldn't continue to live

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the way I was living with that anger with loaded

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.240
<v Speaker 2>guns around me all the time. I was a ticking

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:28.320
<v Speaker 2>bomb Britain. So I was afraid of myself.

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<v Speaker 1>After fifteen months in jail, Lulu pleaded down to second

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 1>degree solicitation of capital murder. Ramone channeled his anger into

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 1>writing a victim impact statement to deliver at her sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>In hearing, I mean I was gonna let her have

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:51.279
<v Speaker 2>it verbally of all the pain and anger that she

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 2>had cost me in my family. When they let me talk,

0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 2>I was packed. A lot of people were there from

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the compress, I get up. I took a deep breath.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgave this lady.

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<v Speaker 1>This was about him. It wasn't about making Lulu feel

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 1>better or letting her off the hook. It was about

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>making this moment into a ceremony for himself. A ceremony

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 1>to release all the anger he'd been carrying.

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 2>And once I did that, it was as if all

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 2>that anger is just was gone, really like all that

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.359
<v Speaker 2>air went out of the balloon and I was able

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>to breathe, and you know, it's just life was beginning

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 2>to be more normal now.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu was sentenced to twenty years, but ended up serving

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>eight and a half. She was released in November of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, and she'll serve another twelve years on parole.

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 2>She's on the very very street rules with the Texas

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 2>State Parole Board. She misses up, She's going right back.

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:02.280
<v Speaker 1>In Ramona to move on from the spaces they shared,

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 1>which meant selling the house and the gym.

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 2>It was just way too many memories. I just need

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>to move on.

0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>As for a Mundo, they're still friends today. He doesn't

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 1>think about Lulu every day like he used to. It's

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in part because I.

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Mean love again. Yes, yes, it's just been wonderful to me.

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Just Puerto Rican too. I say that because we have

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of common when it comes to our cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>Ramon is determined to turn his betrayal into a positive force.

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>He wrote a memoir about his experience it's called I

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Walked on my own grave, and he wants to tell

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<v Speaker 1>his story on stage as a one man play.

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not an actor, I'm not a professional speaker. But

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 2>when you speak from the heart, it means something, and

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 2>I think I'd like to do that, tell my story

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 2>on stage, the real deal, everything that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of his healing process has been understanding that there's

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a term for what Lulu did to him, the terror

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 1>he lived with for years afterwards. It's domestic abuse. Even

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>though his story has so many twists and turns, that's

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:22.360
<v Speaker 1>what it boils down to. His own spouse tried to

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>have him killed. As you know, we end all of

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>our weekly episodes with the same question, why did you

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 1>want to tell your story?

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>My hope is that my story hills men and women

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 2>that are caught in difficult situations in their marriage. And

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 2>I go through what I went through because I was

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 2>a victim of the messic abes, and it's hard for

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>people to understand that what is I mean, you're a

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 2>boxer and you this, and you're that. So I advocate,

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, for men that are victims for the messic

0:44:56.280 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 2>bees to never give up, get help. I mean just

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.399
<v Speaker 2>like women, man should be getting the same type of help.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Betrayal.

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<v Speaker 3>Who wants to file a police report against their father?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't want to put my dad in jail.

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<v Speaker 3>I really didn't like I didn't want to be the

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:19.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of person we did that.

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